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GM[1]FF[4]VW[]AP[Many Faces of Go:11.0]
SZ[9]
HA[0]
ST[0]
PB[Zen]
PW[Shang-Rong Tsai or Shi-Jim Yen]
DT[2010-07-20]
PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
KM[7.5]
TM[1800]
RU[Chinese]
RE[W+R]
WR[6d]
C[Zen9 [?\]: GTP Engine for Zen9 (black): Zen version 5.5]
CA[UTF-8];B[dg]BL[1794.795];W[fc]WL[1793.728];B[fd]
C[Hellhuman [1d\]: go zen]
BL[1789.596];W[ed]WL[1704.72];B[fe]BL[1784.361];W[gc]
C[jinss: both are bots ?
vandrei [11k\]: no lol
YogSothoth [1d\]: no, b is bot
vandrei [11k\]: human vs bot
DrHause [3k?\]: who is the bot?
Hellhuman [1d\]: v
Hellhuman [1d\]: b
vandrei [11k\]: black
Wisp [21k\]: zen
DarkYK [9k\]: barcelonax is ?
DrHause [3k?\]: i am a great fan of BarcelonaXXX]
WL[1699.705];B[dd]BL[1715.433];W[ee]
C[Boogeyman [2k\]: who is white?
Wisp [21k\]: Ping-Chiang Chou (4P) vs zen
DrHause [3k?\]: w+r
jinss: is it really bot ?
masek [?\]: вторчит по идее черный
masek [?\]: если там не класте играет]
WL[1690.021]
;B[ef]
C[jinss: can do such these moves]
BL[1657.063];W[de]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: W: Ping-Chiang Chou (4P)  is a pro from Taiwan
masek [?\]: f4  надо прикрывать
hatego [5k\]: Funny that zen chose a non-5-5 opening.
masek [?\]: считает коми и прочие весчи
zapp [5d?\]: zen always played this way
ajahuang [6d\]: I think it's a strategy to avoid opponent's book
mmueller1: W is Prof. Tsai 6d here
ajahuang [6d\]: besides, many Japanese pros play D3 in the first \
move
zapp [5d?\]: But you need to have a good book if do not play 5-5 \
as black.
Wisp [21k\]: no, that game was already played...
Wisp [21k\]: http://wcci2010.nutn.edu.tw/schedule.htm
ajahuang [6d\]: valkyria has a book?
zapp [5d?\]: Yes now it has
ajahuang [6d\]: I won't build any book for Erica
ajahuang [6d\]: don't have time to do that :)]
WL[1685.142];B[ce]
C[zapp [5d?\]: I know it is really difficult
ajahuang [6d\]: I would like to focus on 19x19
masek [?\]: хот дог строит
masek [?\]: e7  ?
ajahuang [6d\]: what is that language? masek
zapp [5d?\]: Me too but Valkyria is far behind other programs \
so I think 9x9 is most important for Valkyria
pel [1k\]: looks like russian
XXpericoXX [3d\]: russian my friend
ajahuang [6d\]: oh, thanks]
BL[1473.36];W[cd]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: Valkyria is strong at 9x9
YogSothoth [1d\]: I didn't know "hot dog" was Russian :)
XXpericoXX [3d\]: who's playing here?
Wisp [21k\]: Ping-Chiang Chou (4P)
ajahuang [6d\]: maybe Valkyria will run on a big hardware?
XXpericoXX [3d\]: and stroit? yog?
masek [?\]: d4  ?
XXpericoXX [3d\]: and they are playing in barcelona?
YogSothoth [1d\]: I don't know much Russian, just the letters
zapp [5d?\]: Current program is not lockless so it can only handle \
4 threads effectively
noemotions [-\]: stroit mean build
wcci2010: black = computer, white=6D
Wisp [21k\]: Ping-Chiang Chou (4P)
XXpericoXX [3d\]: hot dog building? hahah
alexanderp [?\]: so 4p or 6d? определитесь
ajahuang [6d\]: white is Ping-Chiang Chou (4P) or Prof. Chang?
noemotions [-\]: but can translate like make
ajahuang [6d\]: I am confused
Wisp [21k\]: my bad ><
Wisp [21k\]: i miss read it]
WL[1586.587];B[cf]
C[XXpericoXX [3d\]: u knowq russian noemotions?
fantome [6k?\]: 21k you don't read anything... just beginning \
learning alphabet :)
noemotions [-\]: i know russian :)
noemotions [-\]: better than english
Wisp [21k\]: ?, i meant the schedule..]
BL[1354.149];W[ff]
C[Onibaka [4k\]: developing computer go is absolut evil, imho
XXpericoXX [3d\]: where are nu from?
SteLeo [4k?\]: !
yuuubeiiii [4k\]: must be roumania
zapp [5d?\]: In computer games 4.W E6 is strong compared to 4. \
W G6 that was played earlier today and lost
alexanderp [?\]: any human player lost to computer in Barcelona \
yet>
alexanderp [?\]: ?
zapp [5d?\]: Valkyria thinks white is 75% already
XXpericoXX [3d\]: is this a computer?
tomejek [15k?\]: zen9 is i believe
YogSothoth [1d\]: b is
zapp [5d?\]: Yes Valkyria is my program
ajahuang [6d\]: Zen's opening is a chanllenge itself]
WL[1484.324];B[dc]
C[abyss [-\]: zen9 is a bot and noone in barcelona team has won \
a 9x9 game against zen yet]
BL[1196.24];W[ge]
C[tomejek [15k?\]: hehe
alexanderp [?\]: noone won or every human lost?
YogSothoth [1d\]: f3 g4 e8?
Hellhuman [1d\]: every human lost on 9x9
Hellhuman [1d\]: :3
abyss [-\]: every human in barcelona team lost
YogSothoth [1d\]: on second round
XXpericoXX [3d\]: really?
abyss [-\]: on 9x9
YogSothoth [1d\]: first round was good for humans
YogSothoth [1d\]: i.e. w has the advantage
XXpericoXX [3d\]: and who did the bot?
Watcher [-\]: 9by 9 bot can use brute force
tomejek [15k?\]: zapp: is valkyria open source?
abyss [-\]: XXpericoXX: noone in barcelona team yet:P
Talio [7k\]: is there komi?
YogSothoth [1d\]: 7.5
wcci2010: komi 7.5
YogSothoth [1d\]: chinese rules
zapp [5d?\]: No, but Fuego and Pachi is. About the same strength
abyss [-\]: i thin w is gonna lose
tomejek [15k?\]: mhm
XXpericoXX [3d\]: but i mean who build the bot?
Powaqqatsi [1k\]: isn't 7.5 komi a little much?
tomejek [15k?\]: do you use brute force in it?
Sjonny [9k\]: 7.5 on a 9x9 :O alooot
ajahuang [6d\]: pachi is also open source?
zapp [5d?\]: No Valkyria is the MC program that has the slowest \
code]
WL[1462.455];B[fg]
C[zapp [5d?\]: It has a lot of low level knowledge build in.
abyss [-\]: yeah b won
ajahuang [6d\]: slowest code
ajahuang [6d\]: really
tomejek [15k?\]: hmm, does it has implemented some kind of ai \
like neural network or smth?
zapp [5d?\]: Go knowledge + Monte Carlo is it
abyss [-\]: neural networks is too high tech for those who code \
go bots dude
SR123 [6k\]: I suppose search + monto carlo + plus all the clever \
stuff ;-)
tomejek [15k?\]: hehe:D
tomejek [15k?\]: monte carlo rox
tomejek [15k?\]: :D
alexanderp [?\]: what is Monte Carlo?
YogSothoth [1d\]: neural networks work great on backgammon
zapp [5d?\]: Sorry forgot tree search 
juj: neural networks are dumb tech
sheeryjay [1d\]: ajahuang, yeah, pachi is opensource by pasky, \
available in his git repo
bigfatcat [1d?\]: neural betworks are counted as easy to program, \
but mc...
abyss [-\]: w res
tomejek [15k?\]: hehe
tomejek [15k?\]: gratz zapp
tomejek [15k?\]: :)
SR123 [6k\]: the two stones has aji e.g. w g4 b e7]
BL[1056.097];W[gd]
C[alexanderp [?\]: is there any human rival unbeated by Zen?
YogSothoth [1d\]: e8 next
abyss [-\]: me, i havent played with it yet
ajahuang [6d\]: e8, then how do you respond to D4]
WL[1208.642]
;B[eb]
C[alexanderp [?\]: now we'll see:)]
BL[941.736];W[bd]
C[alexanderp [?\]: vabank
alexanderp [?\]: ва-банк
Lavv [4d\]: b messed up
hdkd: lol]
WL[1196.097];B[cc]BL[916.917];W[df]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: should not play b6
ajahuang [6d\]: afterwards, c7 there is a ko in the corner
zapp [5d?\]: Valkyria also did not like b6
ajahuang [6d\]: d4 alone]
WL[1187.148];B[cg]BL[821.388];W[eg]WL[1183.842];B[eh]
C[abyss [-\]: here it comes]
BL[798.219];W[fh]
C[YogSothoth [1d\]: why not c2 instead of c3?
ajahuang [6d\]: yes, c2 is better
ajahuang [6d\]: maybe Zen thinks it wins anyway
zapp [5d?\]: Valkyria now thinks black is a little better
abyss [-\]: dude this is gonna hurt w]
WL[1180.492];B[ef]
C[juj: bG3 would've been better?]
BL[714.856];W[bc]
C[zapp [5d?\]: V. would have played G3 and not E4
zapp [5d?\]: It now thinks white is better
abyss [-\]: juj: i agree]
WL[1153.021]
;B[bb]BL[625.672];W[eg]
C[alexanderp [?\]: zapp, Valkyria plays with humans in Barcelona, \
too? What's the result?
zapp [5d?\]: No Valkyria is just here on my desktop
alexanderp [?\]: What is the site of this tournament? I checked \
BarcelonaX profile, there is none.]
WL[1148.587];B[bi]
C[mmueller1: It is a side event of a conference called wcci
Powaqqatsi [1k\]: gar
juj: uhh :O]
BL[565.79];W[gg]
C[abyss [-\]: b1 misclick?:D
matjet [1k\]: what?
ajahuang [6d\]: http://wcci2010.nutn.edu.tw/schedule.htm
Prodigious [4d\]: good threat
YogSothoth [1d\]: so b1 was for real?
abyss [-\]: cheat
ajahuang [6d\]: it's here, alexanderp]
WL[1135.468];B[di]BL[548.882];W[fb]
C[alexanderp [?\]: thanks
Kickchon [-\]: white clearly better with 7,5 komi, no ?
Regenbogen [3d\]: W+res
SR123 [6k\]: probably white won all monto carlo playes some every \
thing is equally bad
wcci2010: very strange moves by black here
zapp [5d?\]: Black is completely lost after B1
ajahuang [6d\]: wa
ajahuang [6d\]: what was Zen doing?
Powaqqatsi [1k\]: w + 10
zapp [5d?\]: Perhaps Zen is so strong it knew it was losing?
juj: heheh, bots keep it fresh and interesting all the time :)]
WL[1128.216];B[fi]BL[470.336];W[gi]
C[mmpl: Artificial Neural Networks might be a cool concept however \
Support Vector Machines are the current darling of ML.
ajahuang [6d\]: it is knows, then why it keeps playing?
zapp [5d?\]: A bug?]
WL[1120.042];B[ei]
C[zapp [5d?\]: This is now a 0% position
matjet [1k\]: support vector machines?
matjet [1k\]: and what is ML?
juj: Yamato is going to love reading b1]
BL[400.589];W[ea]
C[ThePok [20k?\]: maschine lerning
ajahuang [6d\]: machine learning
wcci2010: game is over, white wins, according to david 
matjet [1k\]: (looks up support vector machines)
ajahuang [6d\]: I think c3 at c2, B has chance
ajahuang [6d\]: c3 is strange
zapp [5d?\]: Valkyria also wanted to play c3
zapp [5d?\]: I am trying c2 now and Valkyria is 64% for white \
G3
ajahuang [6d\]: zapp, come my game
ajahuang [6d\]: I show you the variation after c2
zapp [5d?\]: ok i see it now
ajahuang [6d\]: if no fight ko
ajahuang [6d\]: b will win 0.5
Grashoper [4d?\]: does anyone knows where this bots are playing?
sheeryjay [1d\]: in Barcelona ...]
WL[1096.763])
