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GM[1]FF[4]VW[]AP[Many Faces of Go:11.0]
SZ[9]
HA[0]
ST[0]
PB[Shang-Rong Tsai or Shi-Jim Yen]
PW[Zen]
DT[2010-07-20]
PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
KM[7.5]
TM[1800]
RU[Chinese]
RE[W+2.50]
BR[6d]
C[Zen9 [?\]: GTP Engine for Zen9 (white): Zen version 5.5]
CA[UTF-8];B[ee]BL[1783.459];W[eg]WL[1794.767];B[fg]BL[1767.923];W[ff]WL[1789.489];B[ef]BL[1764.807];W[gg]WL[1784.227];B[fh]BL[1760.717];W[dg]
C[MaLa [2d\]: Fuego and Zen with same opening? :D]
WL[1778.943]
;B[cf]BL[1682.738];W[gf]
C[MaLa [2d\]: okay
zapp [5d?\]: This is a common opening in computer go
MaLa [2d\]: now they speerated
MaLa [2d\]: okay
zapp [5d?\]: Usually white wins becaus only weak programs play \
it as black]
WL[1773.677];B[gd]BL[1520.42];W[gc]WL[1768.447];B[fc]
C[MaLa [2d\]: but black is pro again?
zapp [5d?\]: This will be interesting to see if human black player \
can do better]
BL[1515.827];W[cg]
C[MaLa [2d\]: (since both humans played it fuego is also white)
ajahuang [6d\]: interesting, 2 games of the same opening]
WL[1725.537];B[he]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: this opening is same with the game of Fuego
ajahuang [6d\]: the human players must have discussed for this \
opening]
BL[1378.457];W[be]
C[MaLa [2d\]: but G4 vs G2 ;) lets see who does better]
WL[1682.424];B[gh]BL[1352.073];W[hh]WL[1639.721]
;B[hg]BL[1347.039];W[hf]
C[zapp [5d?\]: Valkyria (a bot) start to like the white position
Eowyn [1k\]: h1 j3 j2 j1?
Eowyn [1k\]: uh no sorry]
WL[1596.477];B[ih]BL[1182.52];W[ig]WL[1553.046];B[hi]
C[Loki [6k?\]: so we get to see if the bot knows how to play a ko \
:)]
BL[1177.399];W[hg]
C[Loki [6k?\]: or not...
YogSothoth [1d\]: the ko didn't go anywhere
zapp [5d?\]: Valkyria would have played J1
gdghgjd [2d\]: h3 is a mistake, j1 better I think
Eowyn [1k\]: ko stays but why didint take ko first? :)
MaLa [2d\]: J1 is one kothreat better]
WL[1509.867];B[fe]
C[zapp [5d?\]: Valkyria also thinks black has muche better chances
MaLa [2d\]: how big is the difference between J1 and H3?
MaLa [2d\]: for valk?
zapp [5d?\]: 15-20% or so
MaLa [2d\]: fairly huge
MaLa [2d\]: ^^
Eowyn [1k\]: valk, clever bot ^^
gdghgjd [2d\]: so if white would have played j1, valkyria says \
white is winning and now black is winning?
YogSothoth [1d\]: w wins the ko but b gets everything else]
BL[1104.986];W[ce]
C[zapp [5d?\]: Now it is 58% for white playing G1 B4 F8]
WL[1402.714];B[df]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: Zen is ready to give up the ko]
BL[1068.116];W[bf]WL[1361.734]
;B[eh]
C[Eowyn [1k\]: not exactly give up i think, b has to play ko in \
the end]
BL[1064.522];W[gi]
C[masek [?\]: no  ko threats
MaLa [2d\]: b3...
ajahuang [6d\]: B3 now
MaLa [2d\]: i would call it a threat...]
WL[1319.96];B[fi]
C[masek [?\]: b3 or d2 
masek [?\]: not so big choice
masek [?\]: d2 
masek [?\]: black does not have threats
coq [3d\]: but W will play B2 : no more ko threat !]
BL[1001.823];W[dh]
C[masek [?\]: g5 j1 
masek [?\]: where is ko threat ?
MediumWell [1k\]: b3?
masek [?\]: b3 
masek [?\]: g1 
MediumWell [1k\]: b3 this turn?
masek [?\]: g5 j1 b3 g1
ajahuang [6d\]: b3 is not threat
masek [?\]: ?
masek [?\]: w+r 
ajahuang [6d\]: f1 was a big mistake, I think]
WL[1278.946];B[bg]
C[MediumWell [1k\]: Called it :D
zapp [5d?\]: yes black is down to 34% after this sequence
Eowyn [1k\]: d1?]
BL[949.731];W[bh]WL[1237.978];B[ge]
C[Villains [3k\]: wow
Loki [6k?\]: so how strong is B?
Eowyn [1k\]: now b has a threat XD
MediumWell [1k\]: he's stong, not strong
Eowyn [1k\]: b2 mistake i think]
BL[945.299];W[fb]
C[juj: wow
Kickchon [-\]: woot ?
YogSothoth [1d\]: all humans are chinese 6d or pro, so pretty \
stong]
WL[1196.75];B[ec]
C[MediumWell [1k\]: winrate doesn't work D:]
BL[868.423];W[eb]
C[juj: isn't bJ4 just enough to win?]
WL[1155.282]
;B[dc]
C[noemotions [-\]: chinese
noemotions [-\]: rules
MediumWell [1k\]: the question is if black has to play it, right?
twold [1k\]: j4 isn't needed
juj: or black is upper hand in ko threats, so no need?
noemotions [-\]: w any threat
Eowyn [1k\]: juj, b is confident to win the ko, it has  threats
twold [1k\]: b has d1 threat, w none
juj: right]
BL[841.146];W[db]
C[Korenn [?\]: second line territory ftw
zapp [5d?\]: D7 was slow in Valkyrias opinion
noemotions [-\]: yes in 9x9 board only 4th line
Villains [3k\]: ftw means ?
MediumWell [1k\]: It's not territory if it can die :o
noemotions [-\]: must be
juj: zapp: how do you quantify 'slow' in your code?]
WL[1113.381];B[hc]
C[first1kyu [3d\]: w is komaster
zapp [5d?\]: The score dropped 10-20 %
Eowyn [1k\]: ho
Eowyn [1k\]: how w is komaster?]
BL[794.829];W[cc]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: C7]
WL[1071.228];B[gb]
C[juj: zapp: if you play bJ4, what does Valkyria give chances for \
white?
first1kyu [3d\]: w wins?!
zapp [5d?\]: At what move?
twold [1k\]: pretty close, no?
first1kyu [3d\]: d1]
BL[765.864];W[ii]
C[juj: zapp: instead of bG8 for example]
WL[1029.272];B[di]
C[YogSothoth [1d\]: pretty close on 9x9 agains monte carlo means \
w wins
noemotions [-\]: d1 j4 f9 d6 g9 h9 c6 d5 
Eowyn [1k\]: c2
twold [1k\]: j1 so bad... o_O
idazuwaika [5d\]: who is black?
MediumWell [1k\]: did the bot not see this?]
BL[760.631];W[ch]
C[Goprince [3d\]: i wonder if bot can count ko threats]
WL[988.172];B[ih]
C[zapp [5d?\]: B j4 is 88% for white
ajahuang [6d\]: G9?
matjet [1k\]: g9 ?
idazuwaika [5d\]: can anyone tell me who is black?
YogSothoth [1d\]: w doesn't need big threats
Villains [3k\]: b is a human representative]
BL[757.705];W[ga]
C[juj: ok, thanks.. I'd think black'd win easily by just playing \
bJ4 :o]
WL[948.081]
;B[if]
C[MediumWell [1k\]: How would we know? He made the account two days \
ago and provided no info
juj: heh
Kickchon [-\]: there is 7,5 komi for white no ?
glue [-\]: check zen9 profile for some info about the event
idazuwaika [5d\]: i thought this is high profile game
YogSothoth [1d\]: it should be possible to figure b out from the \
tournament schedule
noemotions [-\]: i cant count in chinese rules
Eowyn [1k\]: h9
wcci2010: yes, 7.5 komi
noemotions [-\]: but who ahead
noemotions [-\]: ?]
BL[751.779];W[hb]
C[noemotions [-\]: h9 so bad
YogSothoth [1d\]: b is either a pro or chinese 6d
twold [1k\]: looks like w is ahead now
zapp [5d?\]: Valkyria read 49 ply and thinks white will win]
WL[914.006];B[gc]
C[plusguy [3d\]: w win :p
noemotions [-\]: f9
YogSothoth [1d\]: by .5 of course
juj: zapp: you're saying it read in the minimax sense?]
BL[716.819];W[dd]
C[zapp [5d?\]: No extremely selective monte carlo tre search sense
juj: or, selectively expanding nodes 49 plies?
noemotions [-\]: f9
juj: oh ok :)
cloudo [2k\]: noodles
MaLa [2d\]: H9...]
WL[879.221];B[ha]
C[Goprince [3d\]: h9 no good...
twold [1k\]: why not?
MaLa [2d\]: how so?
aaa13: very good move
twold [1k\]: it works]
BL[680.954];W[fa]
C[MediumWell [1k\]: Black gets SOMETHING
Villains [3k\]: of course, even i can read it
Goprince [3d\]: nvm though u guys wee saying f9
juj: ooh, white sensed danger
noemotions [-\]: b1?
twold [1k\]: .5 game now :-)
zapp [5d?\]: Valkyria wanted to play H9 instead of filling the \
ko at G7]
WL[844.326];B[ib]
C[YogSothoth [1d\]: w's only problem now is how to win by .5
Goprince [3d\]: b1 4 points
Eowyn [1k\]: c1 big
Villains [3k\]: that's also b's pb]
BL[635.384];W[ci]
C[juj: how long have you been developing Valkyria zapp, if you \
don't mind me asking?]
WL[810.23];B[de]
C[YogSothoth [1d\]: it looks as w is going to win by more
noemotions [-\]: d5
zapp [5d?\]: I have been go programming 20 years]
BL[622.013];W[ed]
C[ThePok [20k?\]: when will computers surpass humans?
zapp [5d?\]: Valkyria is as old as mogo 
MediumWell [1k\]: So you had it ever since it was an idiotbot?]
WL[775.911]
;B[ei]
C[idazuwaika [5d\]: black should win
zapp [5d?\]: $ years or so
idazuwaika [5d\]: whats the kommi?
YogSothoth [1d\]: w wins
Villains [3k\]: w+2.5
zapp [5d?\]: 4 years
cloudo [2k\]: watch bigdog @_@
juj: I'm counting w+1.5
twold [1k\]: not 3.5? :-)
Goprince [3d\]: 3.5
MediumWell [1k\]: w+2.5
noemotions [-\]: more then 0.5
juj: zapp: ok, nice
Gaarg [1d\]: zapp, on 9x9?]
BL[606.811];W[bb]WL[741.274];B[fd]
C[Goprince [3d\]: =/
noemotions [-\]: ok 0.5
twold [1k\]: wtf
MediumWell [1k\]: w+2.5
MaLa [2d\]: zen is ahead
Goprince [3d\]: lol
twold [1k\]: what is b8?
Villains [3k\]: hahaha
TonyTiger [4d\]: chinese rules, so B8 ok :)
MaLa [2d\]: he can do such things
MaLa [2d\]: :D
twold [1k\]: w just spoiled my counting
Eowyn [1k\]: chinese rules :)
zapp [5d?\]: Gaarg what do you mean?
juj: hmmh, w+3.5 rather?
Loki [6k?\]: it's ahead so it does defensive moves]
BL[603.944];W[cd]
C[MediumWell [1k\]: no
MediumWell [1k\]: 2.5
Gaarg [1d\]: you said computers will surpass humans in 4 years
juj: w+2.5]
WL[706.142];B[tt]BL[603.943];W[tt]
C[Gaarg [1d\]: on what size grid?
zapp [5d?\]: No I answered a different question. Valkyria is 4 \
years old  I think
ajahuang [6d\]: congrats to Zen!
Gaarg [1d\]: oh haha
Gaarg [1d\]: phew
Villains [3k\]: yeah phew
juj: big congratulations to Zen!
Villains [3k\]: zen makes me angry
zapp [5d?\]: Good fight! Congrats!]
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TW[aa][ba][ca][da][ea][ab][cb][ac][bc][ad][bd][ae][af][ag][bg][ah][ai][bi]
WL[706.142])
