(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]HA[4]KM[0.50]TM[3600]
PW[egc2012pro]PB[CrazyStone]BR[5d]DT[2012-08-01]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]AB[dd][pd][dp][pp]C[CrazyStone [5d\]: GTP Engine for CrazyStone (black): Crazy Stone 2012 version http://remi.coulom.free.fr/CrazyStone/
]RE[B+1.50]
;W[nq]WL[3595.553]
;B[qn]BL[3591.009]
;W[hq]WL[3592.255]
;B[cn]BL[3583.36]
;W[pm]WL[3589.188]
;B[pn]BL[3573.934]
;W[nm]WL[3585.73]
;B[om]BL[3562.325]
;W[ol]WL[3583.393]
;B[on]BL[3554.268]
;W[nl]WL[3580.72]
;B[mo]BL[3537.482]
;W[lp]WL[3578.539]
;B[lo]BL[3519.69]
;W[kp]WL[3575.386]
;B[qk]BL[3501.27]C[royu [4d\]: nice start for b
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: 72%
roujiamo [5d\]: hehe cs pretty cocky
]
;W[fc]WL[3523.42]C[roujiamo [5d\]: writing off its oppo already :)
ARRGHHH: does cs use joseki libraries ?
]
;B[cf]BL[3461.587]
;W[kc]WL[3507.794]C[kotohaword [5d\]: the strongest go ! 
]
;B[mc]BL[3420.155]
;W[ke]WL[3503.009]C[peugeot [4d\]: :)
pasky [-\]: reminder: white is Catalin Taranu 5p
]
;B[fd]BL[3381.343]
;W[gd]WL[3499.632]
;B[fe]BL[3360.508]
;W[eb]WL[3496.177]C[ARRGHHH: is cs good at killing ?
]
;B[dj]BL[3318.227]
;W[cc]WL[3476.083]C[kotohaword [5d\]: bots bad at judge position in beginning
gghideki [1k?\]: CS is good at beginning
kotohaword [5d\]: I guess they will try to use attack as a method to narrow the board
]
;B[dc]BL[3279.545]
;W[db]WL[3472.677]C[kotohaword [5d\]: they don't care about points 
marzahn [4k\]: why is this a handicap game. I guess cs is strong enough :-)
]
;B[qe]BL[3241.724]C[nujabes [5k\]: taranu is 5p
kotohaword [5d\]: w is a pro
]
;W[cl]WL[3451.929]C[ARRGHHH: let's see how he catches up
hemb [2k\]: wow, did not realize this was a handicap game at first
kotohaword [5d\]: if chinese pro maybe stronger
Ootakamoku [-\]: I think CS faill fair badly against a strong opponent tho, CS likes hamete way too much.
grumpyjoe [-\]: he is korean or japanese pro?
viu30h [6k\]: w is catalin  so 7d egf equivalent  (dont know he doesnt seem to play much recently)
kotohaword [5d\]: seems europe
nujabes [5k\]: japanese
roujiamo [5d\]: i guess catalin would be 8d kgs these days
]
;B[gp]BL[3195.746]C[grumpyjoe [-\]: ok
roujiamo [5d\]: comparable to roln
]
;W[gq]WL[3445.639]C[nujabes [5k\]: stronger than roln imo
roujiamo [5d\]: well he lost last year so i think comparabld is fair :)
viu30h [6k\]: dont know he got old
ARRGHHH: cs also big moyo style ?
gghideki [1k?\]: 5p is stronger than kgs 9d, I believe
nujabes [5k\]: ye but he's not as competitive as before
roujiamo [5d\]: maybe his principles are better but he is maybe not so sharp in close fighting now
goejgo [13k\]: hi
gghideki [1k?\]: Oh, I see
]
;B[fq]BL[3123.833]
;W[el]WL[3433.629]C[nujabes [5k\]: well now he's teaching and he don't really participate at tournaments as often as roln
nujabes [5k\]: doesn't*
]
;B[fj]BL[3102.452]C[fannie: w has many weak groups - will lose
roujiamo [5d\]: of course still too strong for me to have any idea, just going on assumptions..
]
;W[bj]WL[3429.539]C[ARRGHHH: only 2
]
;B[ci]BL[3084.594]C[hemb [2k\]: it's a handicap game, he needs weak groups
]
;W[gl]WL[3425.396]C[fannie: enough to lose
roujiamo [5d\]: whats cs's opinion remi?
ARRGHHH: depends on if BOT is able to make advantage from it
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: 76%
roujiamo [5d\]: nice
Ootakamoku [-\]: what was CS oppinion in early fuseki?
roujiamo [5d\]: it has some sort of handicap compensation included?
]
;B[fm]BL[3030.764]C[roujiamo [5d\]: 72 ---> 76
Ootakamoku [-\]: ah, ok
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: 72%
YXSH [1d?\]: hi is there anyone from english speaking country?
voicon [1k\]: wow
ARRGHHH: YXSH: don't think so, why ?
]
;W[ek]WL[3374.8]C[YXSH [1d?\]: hi, arrghhh, where are you from?
ARRGHHH: US
YXSH [1d?\]: cool
]
;B[hp]BL[2994.409]C[pasky [-\]: remicoulom, does crazystone use some kind of dynamic komi?
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: no
pasky [-\]: it seems to be playing the handi game calmly
pasky [-\]: so any other tricks you use?
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: Well, it always plays calmly when ahead.
]
;W[iq]WL[3325.923]C[RemiCoulom [3k?\]: Nothing special for handi game.
ARRGHHH: does it use built in joseki library ?
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: It has a pattern database.
roujiamo [5d\]: ah so it just calmly gives the lead away and loses to strong players yose? :)
fannie: b should play moves like t1 to see if computer can understand
]
;B[lm]BL[2939.594]C[ARRGHHH: b IS the computer
]
;W[fr]WL[3316.224]C[TedYBear [8k\]: lol
YXSH [1d?\]: ARRGHHH, may i chat with you?
Ootakamoku [-\]: trying to win against a strong bot in yose.. is kinda hard tho.
YXSH [1d?\]: in a private room?
YXSH [1d?\]: i don't know how to do so
ARRGHHH: m7 prepares to attack both weak groups, why tenuki 
roujiamo [5d\]: well if anyone can do it  pro can :)
ARRGHHH: YXSH: no
]
;B[eq]BL[2905.327]
;W[pq]WL[3307.697]C[YXSH [1d?\]: what's ur rank?
YXSH [1d?\]: why i can not see your rank here?
roujiamo [5d\]: w p18 soon i hope
]
;B[mh]BL[2872.326]C[ARRGHHH: attack !
Tristero [3d?\]: wheeee
roujiamo [5d\]: this move looks zenlike
Tristero [3d?\]: sacrifice
nujabes [5k\]: to big to sacrifice imo
ARRGHHH: going to have a fun time trying to live that
fannie: feel b lost
Tristero [3d?\]: r10 perhaps - otherwise comes a double attack on e8 stones
fannie: w should play t19 now, once PC lost track, a 10k can beat it
ARRGHHH: pc only goes nuts when it's behind and can see no way to catch up
Ootakamoku [-\]: well, most human players would declare bots play very bad when its too much ahead too
fannie: T19 now, to see how PC response
ARRGHHH: i don't know, i think cs is doing pretty well right now :)
voicon [1k\]: white slow
]
;W[ll]WL[3121.316]C[voicon [1k\]: center i think for black
yxbasju1 [-\]: i think catalin will play around l12 instead at some time
]
;B[kl]BL[2855.624]
;W[lj]WL[3117.65]C[mangafox [8k\]: this is human vs cpu?
]
;B[hj]BL[2821.322]C[ARRGHHH: the noose is closing
]
;W[dn]WL[3107.561]C[pantyshot [6k\]: who is w?
]
;B[en]BL[2789.479]C[nujabes [5k\]: egc2012pro
mangafox [8k\]: cpu? 
ARRGHHH: wow, amazing move
grrr [8k?\]: motoki?
pantyshot [6k\]: go back making music, nujabes.. sarcasm doesn't suit you
nujabes [5k\]: catalin taranu ...
nujabes [5k\]: pantyshot don't be angry you love this music
]
;W[dm]WL[3061.705]C[pantyshot [6k\]: that's why I want you to make more T_T
nujabes [5k\]: T_T
]
;B[lk]BL[2757.577]
;W[mk]WL[3058.032]C[mangafox [8k\]: T_T?
pantyshot [6k\]: manly tears.
ARRGHHH: taranu must be in physical pain right now
]
;B[ml]BL[2740.453]
;W[nj]WL[3043.342]C[nujabes [5k\]: no he's not that bad actually
]
;B[oh]BL[2709.509]C[nujabes [5k\]: ru corner still invadable 
]
;W[pj]WL[3034.753]C[nujabes [5k\]: r3/s3  are   nice moves that remains for later also
Kanin [-\]: it's not easy giving 4 stones to a kgs 5d, especially when you can't trick them with psychology
nujabes [5k\]: lol
]
;B[pk]BL[2674.341]C[ARRGHHH: it is playing to kill ?
nujabes [5k\]: you know that humans are better at go than computers
mangafox [8k\]: yeah
]
;W[ok]WL[3006.893]C[dimse: make that some humans
Kanin [-\]: yeah, that doesn't go for you nujabes :P
mangafox [8k\]: lol
nujabes [5k\]: well i'm fine i can live with it 
Kanin [-\]: maybe what he's saying, rhough, is that kyu players are not humans
]
;B[oi]BL[2613.43]C[dimse: but your stones cannot
Kanin [-\]: :O
]
;W[oj]WL[3004.342]C[mangafox [8k\]: i would do n11
ARRGHHH: l11
mangafox [8k\]: but p11 is ok too
]
;B[mi]BL[2581.915]C[ARRGHHH: bot is torturing this person
]
;W[kk]WL[2974.536]C[nujabes [5k\]: fighting sppiiirit
ARRGHHH: ko ?
]
;B[ll]BL[2551.237]C[hemb [2k\]: black doesn't even have to fight the ko
]
;W[mj]WL[2966.136]C[ARRGHHH: bot declines your invitation to ko
KoriG [10k\]: .
nujabes [5k\]: right b group isn't alive yet
hemb [2k\]: e8 is looking more and more in danger
Goprince [4d\]: b lead not so big
ARRGHHH: this group has an eye, that's halfway to being alive
pasky [-\]: white is Catalin Taranu 5p and he is playing this game seriously; if he wins, he receives 200 EUR prize
]
;B[kj]BL[2493.216]C[mangafox [8k\]: we all know that argh:p
elmex [6k\]: i didnt
pasky [-\]: he could have chosen 3-handi game for 100 EUR or 5-handi game for 300 EUR, but he wint with the middle ground :)
]
;W[qj]WL[2954.823]C[dimse: what does the computer get for winning?
dimse: extra ram?
ARRGHHH: new hard drive ?
mangafox [8k\]: lol
yxbasju1 [-\]: i will buy it then
]
;B[co]BL[2464.872]C[mangafox [8k\]: the cpu has to think too?
Goprince [4d\]: strong comp
]
;W[gn]WL[2930.733]C[ARRGHHH: fights going on in multiple places of the board at the same time - BOT cannot manage them BOTh and get CONFUSED
darnok: pasky you're joking about him getting money for this game right?
]
;B[ki]BL[2418.212]
;W[rk]WL[2923.496]C[Goprince [4d\]: probly true
elmex [6k\]: computer is commercial software after all, so it's a big advertisement if it wins
bonobo03 [2k\]: bots do not like moves like  E5 at all
]
;B[fo]BL[2391.048]C[Goprince [4d\]: 4 stones is alot to give a 5 dan
]
;W[dk]WL[2903.362]C[mangafox [8k\]: yeah
]
;B[qq]BL[2377.088]C[Rock2 [-\]: I think 4 stones is white's own choice?
]
;W[qp]WL[2898.138]C[pasky [-\]: darnok, of course not, it's a professional and he has to make a living :)
mangafox [8k\]: omg a cpu can makes choices?
Goprince [4d\]: r2
]
;B[oq]BL[2349.749]
;W[pr]WL[2895.37]C[Goprince [4d\]: ohh
]
;B[op]BL[2335.132]C[Goprince [4d\]: right
]
;W[or]WL[2892.644]C[ARRGHHH: man, imagine getting paid to put black and white stones on boards all day and teaching others how to do it too
darnok: ah ok, i just started this playing this game two weeks ago, don't mind me
ARRGHHH: he's living the life
Johnson888 [2k\]: why not r2?
Liso66 [3k?\]: link to info about crazystone? 
]
;B[bi]BL[2308.382]
;W[cj]WL[2881.84]C[Syu [1k\]: r2 p2 =_=
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: http://remi.coulom.free.fr/CrazyStone/
]
;B[ge]BL[2281.345]
;W[hd]WL[2878.07]C[Goprince [4d\]: r3
ARRGHHH: c7
]
;B[rq]BL[2251.18]
;W[ej]WL[2864.706]C[Liso66 [3k?\]: and today's HW ? 
]
;B[ei]BL[2225.687]C[Liso66 [3k?\]: 30 core like Zen? 
]
;W[di]WL[2859.062]C[RemiCoulom [3k?\]: AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 8439 SE
]
;B[dh]BL[2211.457]C[RemiCoulom [3k?\]: 24 cores
]
;W[er]WL[2842.107]
;B[dr]BL[2197.572]
;W[cq]WL[2835.572]C[mangafox [8k\]: holy crap
]
;B[dq]BL[2184.204]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: looks like b+20 right now
yxbasju1 [-\]: is there a possibility to change thinking time for crazystone?
mangafox [8k\]: a cpu thinks tricks work by a fd?
pantyshot [6k\]: f11 looks quite big
mangafox [8k\]: 5d
mangafox [8k\]: *
pasky [-\]: nice hardware :3
YXSH [1d?\]: 1-2 stones advantage left
Ootakamoku [-\]: how late in yose is a bots game perfect?
pasky [-\]: i wish i could run pachi on such a beast ;)
pantyshot [6k\]: perfect game?
ARRGHHH: Ootakamoku: when any mistakes would lead to the posibility of inavoidable loss
Johnson888 [2k\]: BOT also needs to think so long?
YXSH [1d?\]: i don't think black can suistain the yose
Ootakamoku [-\]: just wondering, if you CS play against itself, the yose of a 0.5point pro game, will CS find the same sequences and score?
Liso66 [3k?\]: what is pachi's HW?
elmex [6k\]: Johnson: yes, bots play through a lot of games. the more time they have, the more possible variations they can analyze
jozles [1d\]: not complitelty true
elmex [6k\]: not?
Johnson888 [2k\]: not fair for human
YXSH [1d?\]: next move right corner i guess
YXSH [1d?\]: say P18
elmex [6k\]: Johnson: why?
Johnson888 [2k\]: bot thinks much faster than man
]
;W[rg]WL[2585.395]C[elmex [6k\]: Johnson: why are bots not <9p then?
elmex [6k\]: err >
viu30h [6k\]: thinking quickness is not the same as quality elmex
radpi3 [2k\]: much slower Johnson, thinking is not just adding and multiplying
]
;B[qh]BL[2159.346]C[jozles [1d\]: there is some limitations and bot level has other limits than time
]
;W[rh]WL[2582.111]C[elmex [6k\]: yes, thinking time does not equal strength, of course. but that wasnt the question
]
;B[me]BL[2133.499]C[radpi3 [2k\]: bots don't think at all
viu30h [6k\]: oh are we finally at the tiem where white is safe again and start to overplay again?
jozles [1d\]: by exemple zen is weaker in slow games than in fast games
Johnson888 [2k\]: I mean in the limite time
]
;W[he]WL[2552.074]C[HYamashita [2k?\]: all w stones live clearly, I think it is not good strategy for bot.
]
;B[gm]BL[2108.949]C[Johnson888 [2k\]: bot never get tired
]
;W[fi]WL[2539.768]C[jozles [1d\]: bot has no strategy :)
ARRGHHH: zen19 would not go this softly on w
viu30h [6k\]: never blunders cause of having to pee
]
;B[eh]BL[2096.294]
;W[gj]WL[2538.038]C[hikarugo [1d\]: bot can be unplugged
]
;B[gi]BL[2083.219]
;W[fk]WL[2534.232]
;B[mq]BL[2058.276]
;W[mr]WL[2530.277]
;B[np]BL[2034.076]C[BigStan [2d\]: bots dont think, they are thought
]
;W[nr]WL[2527.371]C[marzahn [4k\]: are there any computed win chance estimations?
ARRGHHH: Remi whats the winrate ?
]
;B[cd]BL[2009.356]
;W[bc]WL[2521.731]
;B[gh]BL[1983.756]C[viu30h [6k\]: i hope they call the first bot who beats 9p even marvin
dsmic [-\]: oakfoam has 83% for b, but probably much overestimated:(
radpi3 [2k\]: bot never get excited
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: 83%
ARRGHHH: ha
dsmic [-\]: :)
radpi3 [2k\]: bot don't have joy of playing
jozles [1d\]: Oh Remy... can you give infos on your software ?
eslite [3k\]: bits don't have emotions, sometimes this makes them very sad
ARRGHHH: remi, i got to hand it to you - you've created something beautiful here
viu30h [6k\]: bots never look away from the game see a nice flower and have a brilliant idea out of nothing
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: http://remi.coulom.free.fr/CrazyStone/
radpi3 [2k\]: but bot's designers - congrats!!!
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: has a lot of info.
clicisclic [5k\]: bot dream of Android sheep
]
;W[rm]WL[2426.672]C[jozles [1d\]: lol... other kind... Is your software limited when machine power increase or not ?
]
;B[mp]BL[1961.224]C[bonobo03 [2k\]: w  left group not fully  alive  yet
grumpyjoe [-\]: so how many more years until there is a probot
ARRGHHH: nah it's fine
roujiamo [5d\]: w needs to get in to top right it seems
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: not until 24 cores.
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: I never tried more.
grumpyjoe [-\]: ok
]
;W[lq]WL[2403.804]C[jozles [1d\]: linear ?
]
;B[lb]BL[1937.482]C[grumpyjoe [-\]: they were saying it was impossible at one time, right?
]
;W[kb]WL[2397.167]C[Onchyru [1d\]: so is this guy like a kgs 9d?
hikarugo [1d\]: one day smartphone will beat 9p at go
viu30h [6k\]: 8d if at all
bonobo03 [2k\]: at least
ARRGHHH: see now the endgame will show
viu30h [6k\]: hes about ilya strength
]
;B[qg]BL[1915.099]C[ARRGHHH: the bot will amazing and astound you with this endgame
]
;W[rf]WL[2394.134]C[Onchyru [1d\]: cus he gave a 5d 4 stones
viu30h [6k\]: well he was when he was active
]
;B[re]BL[1872.146]
;W[bm]WL[2381.518]
;B[hl]BL[1861.181]
;W[jo]WL[2361.362]
;B[in]BL[1839.982]C[mangafox [8k\]: wtf 147 dollar
]
;W[ao]WL[2341.44]
;B[an]BL[1818.989]
;W[bn]WL[2338.297]C[elmex [6k\]: mangafox: and add the money for the 24 core machine :)
]
;B[bo]BL[1807.946]
;W[am]WL[2335.043]
;B[bq]BL[1795.942]
;W[ka]WL[2318.485]C[ARRGHHH: winrate should be reaching 90% now
]
;B[hf]BL[1775.262]
;W[if]WL[2315.374]C[dsmic [-\]: 87 I have
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: 87 also.
ARRGHHH: soon :)
]
;B[ig]BL[1754.461]
;W[jf]WL[2312.378]C[yxbasju1 [-\]: take care of the UR corner, crazystone
roujiamo [5d\]: really impressive game by the bot
]
;B[jg]BL[1714.774]
;W[kg]WL[2295.33]
;B[qm]BL[1693.745]
;W[ql]WL[2292.521]C[viu30h [6k\]: w stopped overplaying lol
viu30h [6k\]: bad thing to do in handi game
]
;B[kh]BL[1654.997]
;W[mb]WL[2288.939]C[mangafox [8k\]: s6
]
;B[nb]BL[1645.37]
;W[ma]WL[2286.187]
;B[na]BL[1635.056]
;W[la]WL[2283.507]
;B[nc]BL[1624.642]
;W[hk]WL[2269.66]C[yxbasju1 [-\]: b o17 was nice
]
;B[ik]BL[1614.898]
;W[il]WL[2266.161]C[ARRGHHH: oh this is a dangerous part
mangafox [8k\]: yeah
]
;B[gk]BL[1605.193]
;W[hg]WL[2257.914]
;B[fj]BL[1595.745]
;W[hh]WL[2248.409]C[rlaalswo [1k\]: cryzystone going crazy..
]
;B[aj]BL[1577.509]
;W[ak]WL[2237.402]
;B[ai]BL[1566.907]C[viu30h [6k\]: a14
]
;W[gj]WL[2206.939]
;B[fl]BL[1555.651]C[Tylendel [4k\]: can  white b13 before a14 ?
Johnson888 [2k\]: A14?what?bot do not know what you are taking about.
]
;W[bk]WL[2166.121]
;B[lg]BL[1546.64]
;W[gf]WL[2161.452]C[yxbasju1 [-\]: is the upper left black group certainly alive?
dullah12 [3k\]: w can b-13
]
;B[ff]BL[1526.746]
;W[be]WL[2146.432]
;B[bd]BL[1517.654]
;W[ad]WL[2143.722]C[yxbasju1 [-\]: if not than b h11 would be very important
]
;B[fh]BL[1500.196]C[December [1d\]: a3
dullah12 [3k\]: actuall b-13 doesnt workit 
]
;W[bg]WL[2116.307]C[dullah12 [3k\]: would be a ko
dullah12 [3k\]: now it does
ARRGHHH: a bad ko for black
gdghgjd [3d\]: does black "think" he is still winning?
freshnu [?\]: who is white ?
Nilatarion [3d\]: Catalin
freshnu [?\]: thx
]
;B[bf]BL[1465.261]C[TedYBear [8k\]: catalin taranu 5p
]
;W[af]WL[2098.728]C[littlebird [2k\]: i count about even, anyone?
marzahn [4k\]: winrate?
rlaalswo [1k\]: does Crazystone use dynamic komi?
]
;B[cg]BL[1431.088]
;W[io]WL[2095.181]C[RemiCoulom [3k?\]: 83%
ARRGHHH: wow it went down
mangafox [8k\]: how can you count so quickly?
]
;B[rp]BL[1414.874]C[elmex [6k\]: rlaalswo: pasky asked that, i believe remi said it doesnt use dynkomi
Blubbel [3d\]: why does catalin not play in tournament?
gdghgjd [3d\]: white is leading^^
]
;W[se]WL[2082.616]
;B[sd]BL[1406.336]
;W[sf]WL[2080.684]C[viu30h [6k\]: hes gotten old
rlaalswo [1k\]: thx elmex
]
;B[rd]BL[1394.583]C[roujiamo [5d\]: looks like b+5 ish to me
]
;W[rn]WL[2069.875]C[mangafox [8k\]: no
dsmic [-\]: b+30 is the count of oakfoam
]
;B[ce]BL[1378.56]C[mangafox [8k\]: i mean yes i tink black has won
pasky [-\]: pachi thinks black has a safe win
]
;W[ae]WL[2065.872]C[roujiamo [5d\]: b playing a lot of very defensive moves though so maybe he'll give it away...
ARRGHHH: no
]
;B[jn]BL[1362.188]C[ARRGHHH: i predict b+1.5
]
;W[ro]WL[2055.55]C[gghideki [1k?\]: W should invade UR corner
]
;B[qo]BL[1353.412]C[gghideki [1k?\]: earlier
]
;W[ho]WL[2048.5]C[rlaalswo [1k\]: can't understand black, plays so loose until game gets close
]
;B[qi]BL[1337.724]
;W[ri]WL[2044.651]C[pasky [-\]: pachi thinks b+12
roujiamo [5d\]: its not really loose it just fixes all defects thoroughly as far as i can tell
yxbasju1 [-\]: you think this invasion works gghideki?
]
;B[es]BL[1308.602]C[roujiamo [5d\]: a3 really big
]
;W[gr]WL[2040.789]
;B[qr]BL[1300.43]
;W[aq]WL[2034.04]C[pasky [-\]: or maybe b+9
]
;B[ar]BL[1285.609]
;W[ap]WL[2032.196]C[roujiamo [5d\]: my count so beats pachi :p
gghideki [1k?\]: W had several chances invading UR anyway
]
;B[bp]BL[1277.263]
;W[an]WL[2031.103]C[elmex [6k\]: gnugo thinks B+10.2
]
;B[cr]BL[1261.778]C[mangafox [8k\]: f10
roujiamo [5d\]: m14
rlaalswo [1k\]: roujiamo, human player won't play like this unless he can count like computer
plain: for a bot it's enough to win with a half point
]
;W[lf]WL[2007.875]C[jozles [1d\]: mfg says w+4.5
]
;B[mf]BL[1253.072]C[ARRGHHH: does mfg have komi set correctly ?
]
;W[hn]WL[1996.261]
;B[hm]BL[1245.376]
;W[ii]WL[1992.659]
;B[kf]BL[1237.928]C[sungam [1k\]: w seems confident now
]
;W[le]WL[1977.935]C[wallh [5k\]: mfg = my guts ?
jozles [1d\]: O.5 komi
]
;B[ld]BL[1229.804]C[ARRGHHH: ....
]
;W[kd]WL[1975.15]C[gdghgjd [3d\]: w+
roujiamo [5d\]: w not confident, just no ko threats :)
gghideki [1k?\]: W believes winning?
dullah12 [3k\]: b ahead
]
;B[lc]BL[1213.816]C[rlaalswo [1k\]: my pachi thinks b wins for 75.5%
roujiamo [5d\]: nah w should know he lost
pasky [-\]: b+8
roujiamo [5d\]: pachi on his way to 5 :-p
jozles [1d\]: mfg b+0.5
ARRGHHH: k10?
]
;W[fj]WL[1925.256]C[elmex [6k\]: gnugo: B+12.9
pasky [-\]: rlaalswo, if you have latest git, you can try passing it 'maximize_score', then the "extra komi" message will be the margin
]
;B[hi]BL[1204.086]
;W[kg]WL[1913.967]C[RemiCoulom [3k?\]: 92%
]
;B[gg]BL[1195.461]
;W[hf]WL[1899.722]
;B[pl]BL[1180.511]
;W[pm]WL[1886.31]C[gghideki [1k?\]: ?
December [1d\]: %100
]
;B[jh]BL[1171.322]C[ARRGHHH: bot is doing its celebration dance
]
;W[ih]WL[1883.5]C[protoday: mycpu says w should RESIGN
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: it wants to win by 0.5
]
;B[ip]BL[1162.321]C[rlaalswo [1k\]: pasky, like this? pachi.exe -t =50000 threads=8,max_tree_size=800,maximize_score -f book.dat
roujiamo [5d\]: k12 is a bot i win move
pasky [-\]: rlaalswo, yes
]
;W[jp]WL[1869.172]
;B[ij]BL[1142.325]C[pasky [-\]: but unless you compile it yourself, your pachi.exe is not new enough
protoday: is w a pro?
]
;W[pl]WL[1828.261]C[jozles [1d\]: mfg b+0.5
maproomad [-\]: W is 5p
elmex [6k\]: pasky: you should test the new maximize_score setting sometime with a rated bot in kgs :)
rlaalswo [1k\]: yes it isnt, I should try this later in my linux, I don't know how to compile for windows
]
;B[ps]BL[1128.422]C[vannab [3k\]: b has one group
]
;W[os]WL[1816.539]
;B[qs]BL[1120.342]
;W[nn]WL[1805.304]
;B[bh]BL[1101.543]
;W[ag]WL[1801.726]C[ARRGHHH: normal for bots to make one large group, lots of territory in the center, give up corners for it
klabauter [2d\]: very close, b might win
]
;B[bb]BL[1088.54]C[roujiamo [5d\]: b will win
]
;W[cb]WL[1789.799]C[rlaalswo [1k\]: ARRGHHH, gnugo never do that:)
pasky [-\]: elmex, pachIV is testing it on 15x15 now
pasky [-\]: i will switch it to rated games soon but i need to do more testing first
klabauter [2d\]: b18 doesnt look like a winning move...
]
;B[ab]BL[1074.976]C[ARRGHHH: b18 is a 'ha ha' move
gghideki [1k?\]: ???
]
;W[ac]WL[1777.01]C[elmex [6k\]: pasky: cool
roujiamo [5d\]: hum
dosaku [?\]: eh, that gives a point away
protoday: b18 looks despirite
roujiamo [5d\]: really aiming for 0.5
]
;B[qf]BL[1062.24]C[ARRGHHH: bot still wins
]
;W[fs]WL[1770.257]C[Rock2 [-\]: ooo, W did not have R14 :(
]
;B[ds]BL[1038.314]
;W[li]WL[1766.996]
;B[lh]BL[1031.976]
;W[ni]WL[1762.9]
;B[nh]BL[1025.405]
;W[ec]WL[1750.943]C[jozles [1d\]: mfg w+0.5
]
;B[ko]BL[1013.782]C[klabauter [2d\]: d5 
]
;W[ed]WL[1745.268]C[pasky [-\]: jozles, your mfg must have some settings wrong
]
;B[ee]BL[1007.381]C[jozles [1d\]: ah
]
;W[mn]WL[1736.087]C[karaklis [6k\]: w+ 5ish
ARRGHHH: winrate ?
]
;B[kr]BL[995.948]C[protoday: t5 buggest?
Nodos [1k\]: what is EGC?
]
;W[lr]WL[1732.323]C[pasky [-\]: b+4
TedYBear [8k\]: european go congress
]
;B[jq]BL[984.348]C[Nodos [1k\]: oh right
]
;W[jr]WL[1729.272]
;B[so]BL[967.194]
;W[sn]WL[1724.275]C[klabauter [2d\]: b+.5
]
;B[sp]BL[954.342]
;W[ln]WL[1721.502]C[rlaalswo [1k\]: stupid question, but who is stronger Taranu vs Dinerstein
protoday: b+1.5
arunasr [?\]: What is black doing with L-2 and K3???
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: win rate going down to 80%
x0000 [-\]: b+0.5
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: looks very close.
]
;B[sl]BL[942.749]C[viu30h [6k\]: catalin is stronger
roujiamo [5d\]: rlaal about the same
]
;W[rl]WL[1718.251]C[betron [9k?\]: b + 
littlebird [2k\]: b+0.5 probably
ARRGHHH: bot is beginning to go insane
protoday: b+0.5?
]
;B[kn]BL[921.839]C[rlaalswo [1k\]: b making +0.5 actually
viu30h [6k\]: catalin is (was) ilya strenght and ilya stronger than dinerchstein
]
;W[ji]WL[1714.928]C[klabauter [2d\]: sign of strengh: I can waste my threats and still win the game
]
;B[jj]BL[901.208]C[arunasr [?\]: Seems like B is giving up points for no reason.  Everyone was saying how great bot yose is but I don't see it.
protoday: d5????
]
;W[pi]WL[1704.302]
;B[ph]BL[890.514]C[roujiamo [5d\]: this bot not programmed to play good yose
]
;W[do]WL[1700.9]C[ARRGHHH: arunas: let's see what the final score is first
roujiamo [5d\]: programmed to win
spanglish [3k\]: it's great when it needs to be
rlaalswo [1k\]: b wants to be fancy
]
;B[no]BL[884.933]C[Tristero [3d?\]: if bot is sure he wins he doesn't care
elmex [6k\]: bot wants to win by 0.5 for showing off it's skill
rlaalswo [1k\]: making a 0.5 win
protoday: is b Touya Akira?
rlaalswo [1k\]: just in countion
littlebird [2k\]: e5?
rlaalswo [1k\]: g
woodrose [?\]: lower the autism
]
;W[eo]WL[1664.601]C[rlaalswo [1k\]: counting
]
;B[em]BL[878.806]
;W[cm]WL[1661.276]C[karaklis [6k\]: w+8
]
;B[dj]BL[873.139]C[protoday: b+9
arunasr [?\]: b giving up pts right and left
jozles [1d\]: mfg w+0.5
littlebird [2k\]: the se is pretty accurate now
ARRGHHH: F6
Cloud07 [13k\]: e4
karaklis [6k\]: a simple count would do
elmex [6k\]: gnugo B+3.8
woodrose [?\]: b+ohm
negatif [6k\]: b1 
]
;W[bs]WL[1623.452]C[ARRGHHH: f6 threatens snapback
]
;B[br]BL[866.477]
;W[di]WL[1620.835]
;B[kf]BL[859.695]
;W[dj]WL[1617.784]C[roujiamo [5d\]: aww bot too strong at double ko
]
;B[kg]BL[854.238]C[klabauter [2d\]: ok 1.5
]
;W[ah]WL[1614.51]
;B[ch]BL[848.57]
;W[go]WL[1612.609]C[negatif [6k\]: bot?
]
;B[fp]BL[843.089]C[klabauter [2d\]: yes
]
;W[fn]WL[1605.007]C[protoday: b+1.5
]
;B[ep]BL[837.805]
;W[mm]WL[1598.375]C[elmex [6k\]: gnugo b+1.6
]
;B[]BL[833.607]C[roujiamo [5d\]: wonder if b will fill in a cut for lols
negatif [6k\]: ah ok
klabauter [2d\]: had still one security point left ^^
rlaalswo [1k\]: human is not brave enough to play endgame like this
]
;W[]WL[1581.635]TW[aa][ba][ca][da][ea][fa][ga][ha][ia][ja][ab][bb][fb][gb][hb][ib][jb][gc][hc][ic][jc][id][jd][ie][je][sg][sh][si][rj][sj][ck][nk][pk][qk][sk][al][bl][dl][sl][sm][jq][kq][hr][ir][kr][gs][hs][is][js][ks][ls][ms][ns]TB[oa][pa][qa][ra][sa][ob][pb][qb][rb][sb][oc][pc][qc][rc][sc][md][nd][od][qd][de][ne][oe][pe][df][ef][nf][of][pf][dg][eg][fg][mg][ng][og][pg][hk][jk][kk][gl][il][jl][im][jm][km][oo][po][cp][qp][cq][sq][rr][sr][as][bs][cs][rs][ss]C[dsmic [-\]: ups, I was not aware of japanese rules:) did not know cs can do it:)
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: Thanks for the game
yxbasju1 [-\]: no matter if it wins or not, i will buy it anyway
Rock2 [-\]: gg!
rlaalswo [1k\]: 1.5
gghideki [1k?\]: congrats Remi!
gdghgjd [3d\]: nice game
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: Thanks
jozles [1d\]: congrats remi
royu [4d\]: human race is doomed!
pasky [-\]: congrats :)
gnarf [1k\]: Thx
dsmic [-\]: congrats!!!!!!
ARRGHHH: my prediction was correct
elmex [6k\]: oh the humanity!
protoday: Congratulations!
ARRGHHH: b+ 1.5
pasky [-\]: Catalin should have given just 3 stones :)
spanglish [3k\]: stronger and stronger
ARRGHHH: :)
roujiamo [5d\]: ggggggg
woodrose [?\]: thats disgusting
marzahn [4k\]: now game without handicap!
yxbasju1 [-\]: very well played remi coulom!
roujiamo [5d\]: without handi and watch bot die would be fun :)
viu30h [6k\]: lol catalin would beat it drunk without handicap
gdghgjd [3d\]: next egc 3 stones
ARRGHHH: guys let's see it
ARRGHHH: in fact bot should give catalin half a stone, just for kicks
irglbriz [5k\]: will there be more games like this today?
viu30h [6k\]: yeah  catalin   go get some wine    while rem configures the bot for even
jozles [1d\]: Remi last question ... is the strength linear with machine power increase ?
Nodos [1k\]: doubt it
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: depends on what you call strength. Rather logarithmic, I would say.
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: 2x more power = same strength increase.
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: roughly
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: there are diminishing returns.
viu30h [6k\]: there will be a time where computers are so strong they can play go by brue force method like in chess
yxbasju1 [-\]: and is its thinking time fixed at the commercial version?
jozles [1d\]: one stone stronger when 2x or what ?
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: less than on strong.
royu [4d\]: hard to qualify something like that - since progression in Go by traditional ranks is a diminshing returns as well
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: less than one stone.
jozles [1d\]: ok thx
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: depends on level
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: one stone at 5d
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: is much more than one stone at 10k
yxbasju1 [-\]: thinking time depends on level?
egc2012pro [?\]: hi, ingo typing now
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: The longer it thinks, the better the move.
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: Hi Ingo
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: Thanks for organizing.
marzahn [4k\]: I have the commercial version, to me its strong enough even on lower levels. 8 core notebook.
egc2012pro [?\]: tomorrow revenge?
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: OK
egc2012pro [?\]: catalin is willing
viu30h [6k\]: hehe cool
egc2012pro [?\]: same time again
marzahn [4k\]: hurray
dsmic [-\]: great!!!!!
elmex [6k\]: cool
dsmic [-\]: 3 stones?
egc2012pro [?\]: no, h4 again
ARRGHHH: yay !
fannie: so, computer GO can beat pro now?
egc2012pro [?\]: catalin won one sparring game at h4
elmex [6k\]: hehe, is the prize money still up?
ARRGHHH: he should play an even game for our entertainment
egc2012pro [?\]: yes, it will be
elmex [6k\]: nice
egc2012pro [?\]: catalin said thzat h3 would be too easy
egc2012pro [?\]: too easy for him
dsmic [-\]: ok, he will know:)
Liso66 [3k?\]: when it will be?
egc2012pro [?\]: 14:00 gmt again
egc2012pro [?\]: so 16:00 local time
Liso66 [3k?\]: tommorow?
egc2012pro [?\]: yes
egc2012pro [?\]: yes
Liso66 [3k?\]: thanx! :) 
egc2012pro [?\]: thx to remi for participating
egc2012pro [?\]: today catalin had two cokes during the game
Liso66 [3k?\]: thanx remi, thanx egc thanx c atalin :) 
egc2012pro [?\]: tomorrow he will get three
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