(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Chinese]SZ[13]KM[7.50]TM[2700]
PW[ZensGuest]PB[Zen19S]DT[2012-06-13]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Zen19S [-\]: GTP Engine for Zen19S (black): Zen version 9.7d12
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[jd]BL[2677.405]
;W[jj]WL[2695.716]
;B[dd]BL[2638.538]
;W[cf]WL[2684.371]
;B[dj]BL[2607.035]C[fluidistic [5k\]: white is the same person who lost vs zen on 9xnine?
gghideki [2k?\]: Sheng-Shu Chang 6d
]
;W[fc]WL[2634.076]C[fluidistic [5k\]: ok thx
fluidistic [5k\]: yeah the same i guess
]
;B[fd]BL[2572.251]C[gghideki [2k?\]: according to the game list in my hand
fluidistic [5k\]: E9 or C11 here? but E9
]
;W[gd]WL[2630.417]C[fluidistic [5k\]: oh
]
;B[fe]BL[2542.468]
;W[cc]WL[2627.244]
;B[ec]BL[2508.688]
;W[cd]WL[2625.328]C[gghideki [2k?\]: For kyu-players (like me :), C11 or E9 is ok
fluidistic [5k\]: yeah :)
]
;B[jh]BL[2465.538]C[fluidistic [5k\]: now i learn F10
]
;W[hj]WL[2591.354]C[gghideki [2k?\]: But strong players don't play such moves because (I guess) those moves don't affect the other stones strongly
fluidistic [5k\]: ah I didn't know
]
;B[ii]BL[2427.452]C[gghideki [2k?\]: Zen likes "contact" moves :)
fluidistic [5k\]: Learn 3d says moves like J5 are bad
]
;W[ij]WL[2576.64]C[fluidistic [5k\]: it removes ko threat and make w stronger i think, but i dont really see it
gghideki [2k?\]: Yah, for human, I'd like to agree :p
]
;B[ki]BL[2393.431]C[fluidistic [5k\]: maybe ajahuang knows better
]
;W[kj]WL[2571.914]C[gghideki [2k?\]: strongly depends on the later moves
fluidistic [5k\]: G10 looks dead or almost.. will be hard for w
]
;B[dg]BL[2340.885]C[fluidistic [5k\]: if w can invade with L11, maybe w has a chance
fluidistic [5k\]: or C3
]
;W[kc]WL[2563.362]C[fluidistic [5k\]: oh it seems to work
gghideki [2k?\]: G10 can live easily but just locally good
]
;B[jc]BL[2305.703]
;W[kd]WL[2558.079]C[fluidistic [5k\]: w will play C3 as soon as L11 is secured
ajahuang [6d\]: zen is center-oriented even on 13x13
ajahuang [6d\]: interesting
fluidistic [5k\]: yes :D
]
;B[je]BL[2268.942]C[fluidistic [5k\]: aja, what do you think of J5?
]
;W[ke]WL[2544.59]C[gghideki [2k?\]: the patterns are for 19x19 :p
ajahuang [6d\]: zen is beyond my level, I can't say for sure :)
fluidistic [5k\]: ok
gghideki [2k?\]: I guess hard to utilize for human players :p
]
;B[fk]BL[2214.005]C[fluidistic [5k\]: b seems to win 
gghideki [2k?\]: I guess no
fluidistic [5k\]: win % is low??
gghideki [2k?\]: even
gghideki [2k?\]: around 50%
]
;W[jb]WL[2494.123]C[fluidistic [5k\]: oh
fluidistic [5k\]: H2
fluidistic [5k\]: w could save F11 and zen kill L4, could be nice exchenge
]
;B[ib]BL[2172.104]C[gghideki [2k?\]: can't kill
]
;W[kb]WL[2490.47]C[fluidistic [5k\]: ah
fluidistic [5k\]: C7 big for b
fluidistic [5k\]: but J11 first
]
;B[il]BL[2125.363]C[gghideki [2k?\]: c5 better?
fluidistic [5k\]: o_0
]
;W[hl]WL[2480.928]C[fluidistic [5k\]: hmm no idea 
fluidistic [5k\]: wow
fluidistic [5k\]: J2 surprised me
ajahuang [6d\]: J2?
]
;B[gl]BL[2081.844]C[ajahuang [6d\]: wrong communication?
]
;W[hm]WL[2475.703]C[ajahuang [6d\]: should be h2
gghideki [2k?\]: Zen expected K2
ajahuang [6d\]: oh
ajahuang [6d\]: I thought internet error
gghideki [2k?\]: not H2
]
;B[hi]BL[2028.96]C[gghideki [2k?\]: possible, Aja
fluidistic [5k\]: so many big moves
]
;W[gj]WL[2471.204]C[fluidistic [5k\]: w may win :(
]
;B[cg]BL[1991.579]C[ajahuang [6d\]: G2 seems secure the corner more
ajahuang [6d\]: c3
fluidistic [5k\]: c3 works? awww
ajahuang [6d\]: maybe ko
gghideki [2k?\]: This version is not tested on 13x13
]
;W[bf]WL[2417.57]
;B[db]BL[1951.074]C[fluidistic [5k\]: w K8 doesn't work, right?
gghideki [2k?\]: but better in yose
gghideki [2k?\]: anyway
gghideki [2k?\]: h12 may work?
yoyoma [1d\]: Liisa, is anyone interested in your X-challege this summer?
]
;W[bh]WL[2341.49]C[fluidistic [5k\]: ... :( D12 too small i think
fluidistic [5k\]: B6 can reduce more than D12
fluidistic [5k\]: yes yoyoma, i am
]
;B[bg]BL[1912.075]
;W[ag]WL[2335.733]
;B[bb]BL[1876.189]C[gghideki [2k?\]: d12 i big because of e12
fluidistic [5k\]: ah
lyfe [5k\]: nba anyone?
gghideki [2k?\]: b6 is risky
fluidistic [5k\]: nba?
lyfe [5k\]: y
gghideki [2k?\]: what's nba?
lyfe [5k\]: if it doesn't make sense nevermind friends
lyfe [5k\]: basketball
yoyoma [1d\]: I will watch 2nd half maybe
yoyoma [1d\]: Thunder!
gghideki [2k?\]: oh, lol
lyfe [5k\]: watching go and nba is stimulating to say theleast
lyfe [5k\]: doctors would have put me on ridlin as a childe
ajahuang [6d\]: oh zen starts to kill
lyfe [5k\]: fluid, r u an engineer?
lyfe [5k\]: awesome picture
yoyoma [1d\]: white looks deadish
lyfe [5k\]: looks alive to me in the upper left
lyfe [5k\]: lower left is still up in the air
yoyoma [1d\]: wat?  uper and lower left are all one group
lyfe [5k\]: if white lives then black gets few points right
]
;W[bj]WL[1856.801]
;B[ck]BL[1835.18]C[lyfe [5k\]: white squeezes black into minimal points now
]
;W[bk]WL[1845.582]
;B[ci]BL[1801.614]C[yoyoma [1d\]: Instead of bC3, I thought black B3 had chance to kill
]
;W[cl]WL[1809.549]
;B[bi]BL[1765.332]
;W[ai]WL[1805.748]C[lyfe [5k\]: that seems likea fun sequence
]
;B[dl]BL[1732.386]C[lyfe [5k\]: seems like a w easy win now eh?
fluidistic [5k\]: what does zen thinks now?
gghideki [2k?\]: 56%, even
lyfe [5k\]: upper left 
fluidistic [5k\]: ok 
fluidistic [5k\]: w has still reductions to make in center
fluidistic [5k\]: wich will hurt
lyfe [5k\]: although zen will probalby l8 first
lyfe [5k\]: depends on w's move now
lyfe [5k\]: c4?
lyfe [5k\]: j11
fluidistic [5k\]: what is zen guessing?
fluidistic [5k\]: what move i mean
gghideki [2k?\]: c12 :p
fluidistic [5k\]: oh
lyfe [5k\]: j11
lyfe [5k\]: j11
lyfe [5k\]: sorry lagging computer piece of junk
fluidistic [5k\]: np lyf
fluidistic [5k\]: e
yoyoma [1d\]: seems like there could be some nasty trick to prevent eye in B9 area
lyfe [5k\]: long thinking for 13 board
fluidistic [5k\]: if zen is only at 56% wins, it doesn't see a big kill i guess
yoyoma [1d\]: 56% of the time it kills 100% of the time
lyfe [5k\]: it's beyond humyn at that skill
lyfe [5k\]: identifying proportions to win by .5 in the middle of a game of someting to that affect
]
;W[cb]WL[1427.863]C[fluidistic [5k\]: human start to play zen's move
]
;B[ca]BL[1700.172]
;W[ba]WL[1423.228]C[lyfe [5k\]: good to see
fluidistic [5k\]: zen must be happy
gghideki [2k?\]: losing a ko threat
fluidistic [5k\]: M5
]
;B[aa]BL[1665.922]C[lyfe [5k\]: d11
lyfe [5k\]: that's what it was all about right?
]
;W[cj]WL[1372.612]C[lyfe [5k\]: c6
]
;B[dk]BL[1634.782]C[fluidistic [5k\]: this looks like a mini 19x19, not a big 9x9
yoyoma [1d\]: c12 and b13 might have become double sente
fluidistic [5k\]: zen gets 1 corner out of 4 as usual
lyfe [5k\]: funny
yoyoma [1d\]: maybe that's why white play now
lyfe [5k\]: i played 9x9 for three years before starting 13 and 19
lyfe [5k\]: i once read an 8d write that 9x9 was not real
lyfe [5k\]: now i understand
fluidistic [5k\]: not real? i dont understand :D
lyfe [5k\]: i didn't either at first
fluidistic [5k\]: i guess i need a few years of practice :P
lyfe [5k\]: but what i came to understand is that in a 9x9 the walls are really like an extra player and in 19's you have to know how to connect
fluidistic [5k\]: oh
gghideki [2k?\]: 9x9 IS true Go.  If we had enough thinking power, even 19x19 could start fighting like 9x9
lyfe [5k\]: so much so that it was a different game
lyfe [5k\]: i love 9's believe me
]
;W[ch]WL[1126.144]
;B[di]BL[1604.787]
;W[df]WL[1122.148]C[yoyoma [1d\]: white got C6 -- another double sente move
]
;B[lj]BL[1566.502]C[lyfe [5k\]: at least b6
]
;W[lk]WL[1117.324]C[lyfe [5k\]: might give away c6
lyfe [5k\]: this is beautiful to watch
]
;B[bl]BL[1532.788]C[lyfe [5k\]: crunch
lyfe [5k\]: a2
guxxan [6d\]: the game becomes more interesting now
lyfe [5k\]: so  much so
lyfe [5k\]: guxxan what do you predict from white
guxxan [6d\]: escape
lyfe [5k\]: ha
guxxan [6d\]: kill F9 group
]
;W[dc]WL[1036.322]C[BOThater36 [5d\]: Zen should be very happy playing at F12
]
;B[fb]BL[1503.266]
;W[de]WL[1030.624]C[lyfe [5k\]: i thought w would attach k11
lyfe [5k\]: attack
gghideki [2k?\]: yes, 60% for F12
]
;B[aj]BL[1475.275]C[BOThater36 [5d\]: A4 makes sence?
]
;W[ak]WL[997.096]C[BOThater36 [5d\]: as long as white answer, it makes sence
lyfe [5k\]: looks pretty epic
]
;B[bc]BL[1438.922]
;W[al]WL[982.157]C[lyfe [5k\]: w's trying to lose
gghideki [2k?\]: now 50% :p
ajahuang [6d\]: zen gave up the chance to kill
lyfe [5k\]: i mean b is
lyfe [5k\]: wow
]
;B[cm]BL[1409.466]C[ajahuang [6d\]: b2 was a mercy...
gghideki [2k?\]: there was, Aja?
]
;W[ed]WL[971.309]
;B[gc]BL[1381.036]C[ajahuang [6d\]: probably no
gghideki [2k?\]: thx
]
;W[ee]WL[931.736]
;B[gk]BL[1355.33]C[ajahuang [6d\]: but zen almost killed the whole group
]
;W[hk]WL[927.425]C[ajahuang [6d\]: almost
lyfe [5k\]: thought zen had it a large portion
gghideki [2k?\]: because W was eager :)
lyfe [5k\]: means it's gonna win if it didn't 
lyfe [5k\]: imo
]
;B[bd]BL[1324.346]
;W[be]WL[920.144]C[lyfe [5k\]:  a1
]
;B[kf]BL[1292.069]
;W[lf]WL[915.906]C[gghideki [2k?\]: W has more ko threat I guess
gghideki [2k?\]: *threats
lyfe [5k\]: forgot zen the  middle master
]
;B[fg]BL[1268.045]C[BOThater36 [5d\]: there is no middle in 13X13
]
;W[kg]WL[901.705]C[ajahuang [6d\]: zen plays 13x13 like 19x19
]
;B[jf]BL[1242.091]C[lyfe [5k\]: like to see zen on 9
lyfe [5k\]: which zen series bot plays 9's?
]
;W[ia]WL[853.937]C[BOThater36 [5d\]: I refuse to play any bot , including Erica in 13X13 or less
]
;B[lh]BL[1218.531]C[lyfe [5k\]: because it's not real?
]
;W[mj]WL[849.309]C[ajahuang [6d\]: because he fears
gghideki [2k?\]: haha
BOThater36 [5d\]: no, I dont make fun of myself
lyfe [5k\]: seriously why just curious
]
;B[lg]BL[1188.522]
;W[hb]WL[838.944]
;B[ic]BL[1166.523]
;W[le]WL[823.962]C[ajahuang [6d\]: a1
lyfe [5k\]: e7
]
;B[li]BL[1142.461]C[yoyoma [1d\]: close game
gghideki [2k?\]: count anyone?
lyfe [5k\]: white's gonna do some damage with g4
BOThater36 [5d\]: ko not started, how can we count
]
;W[fj]WL[762.437]C[gghideki [2k?\]: W is thick (ahead a little) I think
ajahuang [6d\]: zen is ahead a little bit
ajahuang [6d\]: oh
BOThater36 [5d\]: hur, aja?
gghideki [2k?\]: really?
]
;B[mi]BL[1121.418]
;W[mk]WL[757.401]C[ajahuang [6d\]: not really :)
gghideki [2k?\]: I trust Aja :)
lyfe [5k\]: l2
ajahuang [6d\]: just count roughly
BOThater36 [5d\]: L3 ko threats
ajahuang [6d\]: win rate?
]
;B[dh]BL[1100.906]C[ajahuang [6d\]: anyway it's very close
]
;W[af]WL[750.703]C[lyfe [5k\]: a1
ajahuang [6d\]: what?
ajahuang [6d\]: why a8?
]
;B[am]BL[1079.928]
;W[bm]WL[746.521]C[lyfe [5k\]: l2
Freund [1k?\]: L3 
]
;B[kk]BL[1059.826]
;W[kl]WL[743.157]C[BOThater36 [5d\]: told u
gghideki [2k?\]: confused some? < A8
lyfe [5k\]: more than once
]
;B[am]BL[1040.395]
;W[ff]WL[741.119]
;B[gf]BL[1020.251]
;W[bm]WL[738.608]C[Freund [1k?\]: M2?
]
;B[ll]BL[1001.115]
;W[jk]WL[734.351]C[lyfe [5k\]: looks like a classic zen middle
]
;B[am]BL[982.309]
;W[ea]WL[731.86]
;B[da]BL[960.377]C[BOThater36 [5d\]: another ko
]
;W[bm]WL[727.862]
;B[ml]BL[942.555]
;W[kk]WL[722.043]
;B[am]BL[924.969]C[ajahuang [6d\]: w has no threat
ajahuang [6d\]: I think w is losing
yoyoma [1d\]: E12
]
;W[eb]WL[685.12]C[ajahuang [6d\]: E12 lost over 1 point
guxxan [6d\]: .....
ajahuang [6d\]: oh
guxxan [6d\]: bugs?
ajahuang [6d\]: really?
gghideki [2k?\]: Thank you for playing
gghideki [2k?\]: 26% now
guxxan [6d\]: what is the komi?
gghideki [2k?\]: 7.5
guxxan [6d\]: I see
ajahuang [6d\]: strange
gghideki [2k?\]: good game, anyway
guxxan [6d\]: white is ahead
ajahuang [6d\]: I don't think so
ajahuang [6d\]: f13, then?
guxxan [6d\]: territory?
gghideki [2k?\]: no, area scoring
gghideki [2k?\]: with usual (no super) ko
ajahuang [6d\]: oh a6 is no a threat
ajahuang [6d\]: ok, then makes sense
guxxan [6d\]: how about k13?
yoyoma [1d\]: even black just back down it was very close I thought
ajahuang [6d\]: not big enough
guxxan [6d\]: I see
yoyoma [1d\]: oh well
])
