(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]OT[5x40 byo-yomi]
PW[CrazyStone]PB[fj]BR[6d]DT[2014-10-11]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[CrazyStone [-\]: GTP Engine for CrazyStone (white): Crazy Stone version http://remi.coulom.free.fr/CrazyStone/
firstkyu [5d\]: go FJ!
fj [6d\]: ok, have fun
GoRoGoRo [?\]: go fj
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[pe]BL[3579.62]C[fj [6d\]: Remi and the spectators ;-)
GoRoGoRo [?\]: Wer ohne Fehler spielt, setze den zweiten Stein!
]
;W[pp]WL[3561.672]C[keiler [?\]: Mein Jott, seit ihr pünktlich!
First [3k?\]: fj could become european professional go player
GoKlaus [1k?\]: jupp, kannst du die Uhr danach stellen
qpax [1d\]: roln could give b two stones
]
;B[co]BL[3490.25]C[First [3k?\]: no
gogonuts [5d\]: gogo FJ!!!
First [3k?\]: fj is strong
firstkyu [5d\]: Yay!
kmlck [2d\]: fj strong in slow games
firstkyu [5d\]: I think this is a good choice
GoIngo [?\]: normal geht anders ;-)
]
;W[dd]WL[3523.101]C[Muttley [2k\]: Hi Remi, and thanks for participating in this challenge
GoRoGoRo [?\]: CrazyStone is wartching, too!
Muttley [2k\]: very interesting
firstkyu [5d\]: komplicate joseki + no moyo
]
;B[qn]BL[3469.457]C[GoIngo [?\]: there will be an ellipsoid from lower left to upper right
gogonuts [5d\]: i dont think diagonal fuseki is good against bots
firstkyu [5d\]: btw. how manny moves has the CS Joseki Database?
]
;W[dq]WL[3484.695]C[gogonuts [5d\]: lots of small fights make it hard
gogonuts [5d\]: none, i think
gogonuts [5d\]: no 19*19 book
gogonuts [5d\]: but ofcourse lots of joseki and pattern knowledge
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: It is not really a joseki database. But patterns. It is a bit similar.
keiler [?\]: E4 now
]
;B[ep]BL[3409.975]C[keiler [?\]: oh
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: about 3-4 million patterns.
gogonuts [5d\]: wow
First [3k?\]: I don't get it
firstkyu [5d\]: thanks
]
;W[eq]WL[3465.423]C[gogonuts [5d\]: then fj has no chance :-)
]
;B[fp]BL[3406.525]C[First [3k?\]: fj underestimated bot last time
First [3k?\]: and now he goes crazy fuseki again
cjr [3d\]: how do you define a pattern? where do you obtain it from?
firstkyu [5d\]: GinseiIgo blew this Joseki last time I used it
gogonuts [5d\]: one drubbing wasnt enough for fj
]
;W[gq]WL[3432.708]C[gogonuts [5d\]: i understand his feelings
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: They are automatically extracted from a collection of game records.
firstkyu [5d\]: I used g4
GoIngo [?\]: the feelings?
cjr [3d\]: :-)
GoIngo [?\]: ;-)
firstkyu [5d\]: do you use KGS games too?
firstkyu [5d\]: like 8d - 9d KGS?
firstkyu [5d\]: or just Pro games
afar [3d?\]: Who won game 1?
gogonuts [5d\]: that we will not change a lifetime of habits of what he thinks is right because of a single loss
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: A pattern is a configuration of stones around a move. I used 4d+ KGS games. So, maybe some of yours ;-)
]
;B[ci]BL[3344.407]C[maproomad [-\]: CS won game 1
Uniqo [1d\]: so that is machine learning
afar [3d?\]: Thanks maproomad
gogonuts [5d\]: and very convincingly
cjr [3d\]: Have you tried if it gets stronger or weaker if you remove firstkyu's games from the database?
Muttley [2k\]: hmm, 4d+, no joseki from my games.  Sad.
]
;W[pc]WL[3394.114]C[firstkyu [5d\]: lol, if you use my games, FJ will win
Lumpenhund [5d\]: +1
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: Yes. If you want all the details: http://remi.coulom.free.fr/Amsterdam2007/
gogonuts [5d\]: too bad muttley, your patterns might have made cs stumble :-)
]
;B[nd]BL[3324.29]C[firstkyu [5d\]: I still blunder in Joseki
Hofobbefes [3d\]: I need one more dan, and CS will start opening with l17!
Muttley [2k\]: ironically, fj could be playing against his own joseki choices then
firstkyu [5d\]: thanks a lot Remi
Muttley [2k\]: yeah, CS would have benefited from Muttsuji for sure
]
;W[qe]WL[3355.36]C[firstkyu [5d\]: you are realy putting up a great show for us
GoIngo [?\]: cs gets all four corners today?
firstkyu [5d\]: r16 now?
firstkyu [5d\]: to get a fight started?
Muttley [2k\]: the thing is, there's probably 12+ choices at each move, so I guess they are candidates and analysed as such
gogonuts [5d\]: fj doesnt feel like getting hunted in a moyo today
firstkyu [5d\]: r16 is a complicated Joseki with some modern changes lately
gogonuts [5d\]: very enticing to see how cs handles r16 :-)
firstkyu [5d\]: ladders work for black
Muttley [2k\]: Kasparov, when he started playing bots in matches, said the psychology is very different- they don't get tired or subjective if they make a mistake or get "under pressure"
firstkyu [5d\]: + r6 well placed
rs220675 [1d\]: white has all four corners
firstkyu [5d\]: b might go for it
cjr [3d\]: Remi - may I ask you, the "Engine game" feature included in Champion Go, it is much weaker than this version of CrazyStone? (sorry it's a little off topic, but curious)
rs220675 [1d\]: black plays with a lot of respect for cs
Muttley [2k\]: thank you rs220675, hoshi are corners, that's exactly what I say
rsun [5d\]: does b use this fuseki against humans as well?
rsun [5d\]: b thinking of r16??
gogonuts [5d\]: must be
rsun [5d\]: usually hamete doesn't work
gogonuts [5d\]: its not hamete
gogonuts [5d\]: and ladders are good
gogonuts [5d\]: it would be areasonable choice
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: champion go is the same software, but hardware matters too.
Muttley [2k\]: I thought r16 was a standard sac sequence to seal w in
kmlck [2d\]: hamate=inside hane?
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: on a tablet or cell phone, there little cpu power available.
gogonuts [5d\]: but fj might actually decide to avoid hand to hand combat
Muttley [2k\]: no, unreasonable move
Muttley [2k\]: trying to get more than the position allows
kmlck [2d\]: you mean my every move
Muttley [2k\]: and that
Laman [2d\]: hamete = high level joseki trick
First [3k?\]: is this bot stronger than zen?
firstkyu [5d\]: I think players like Gogo and me should choose r16 here
rsun [5d\]: hamete is the brother of hamlet
Krapsman [1d\]: r14 seems more logical with global board
Amenophis [6k?\]: hamtete is a trick play, hoping the foe will fall in a trap
qpax [1d\]: it's not
gogonuts [5d\]: in 3 years your 8 core cell phone will kick your butt :-)
firstkyu [5d\]: cause we are too weak to win without a lokal plus in the beginning
Muttley [2k\]: its not really a trick play
]
;B[qf]BL[3043.039]C[qpax [1d\]: zen is slightly better, at least in kgs tournamets
pope: in 3 years you'll be happy if landlines work
Muttley [2k\]: but I don't want to argue semantics here :)
]
;W[qd]WL[3333.982]C[gogonuts [5d\]: maximum restraint
]
;B[rf]BL[3038.733]C[firstkyu [5d\]: in chess cell phones are so strong, top players cant handle them
firstkyu [5d\]: oh
supervirus [4k\]: bot will be unbeatable in a few years. meat computers will have to get another hobby
gogonuts [5d\]: alomost maximum restraint :-)
firstkyu [5d\]: thats a trange choice again
rsun [5d\]: why fj plays so thinly
Mneme [2k\]: Rémi How many cores ?
]
;W[nb]WL[3295.671]C[RemiCoulom [3k?\]: 54% win rate now.
]
;B[mf]BL[3031.489]C[Amenophis [6k?\]: what? where?
Hofobbefes [3d\]: never seen this shape
firstkyu [5d\]: I think this way of taking gote is worse than just Q14 +  take sente
pope: just delete o16
gogonuts [5d\]: 54 is already quite high, but all bots bias in their own direction
rsun [5d\]: q9
kmlck [2d\]: using unconvential shapes is good tact against bots
pope: and it's normal
]
;W[np]WL[3257.266]C[KlausB [?\]: Remi: I take it that win rates are given for CS?
cjr [3d\]: this is in 38 basic joseki... fj showing that he learnt go a long time ago :)
Lumpenhund [5d\]: b wants n18
gogonuts [5d\]: at 50% there own position is almost surely worse
Krapsman [1d\]: doesn't seem very thick 
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: KlausB: yes. 55% now.
rs220675 [1d\]: fj wants cs to invade^^
]
;B[pk]BL[3005.726]C[Hofobbefes [3d\]: looks like an Hokuto shape joseki
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: And it is right that it tends to be optimistic.
cjr [3d\]: does it decide time use based on the volatility of the position?
First [3k?\]: but does this bot require a lot of cores?
globax [3d\]: d10?
]
;W[gp]WL[3218.849]C[firstkyu [5d\]: well when I think my position is 30%, then I am usually just lost...
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
GoIngo [?\]: CS runs fine on my 2-core machine
First [3k?\]: dual core
]
;B[mb]BL[2948.215]C[RemiCoulom [3k?\]: In this game the algorithm for time use is 38 second per move. If the move is forced, it may take 19 second, but never less.
CBlue [2d?\]: wish someone would translate the korean Go comics on hangame.co.kr
Zenmid [6k\]: In this match CS uses 5930K(6core) right?
]
;W[cg]WL[3179.839]C[pipong [2d\]: n14 feel good now
GoIngo [?\]: CBlue: is that comic on computers?
gogonuts [5d\]: nice cs tenuki
jinroo [3d?\]: not really 
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: Zenmid: right.
jinroo [3d?\]: p18 hugwe
jinroo [3d?\]: huge
]
;B[ei]BL[2904.785]C[rs220675 [1d\]: n18 seems too slow
jinroo [3d?\]: I dont think so 
jinroo [3d?\]: after p18 now by b 
cjr [3d\]: P18 follow-up is huge, normally it is sente
gogonuts [5d\]: n18 isnt slow - was hoping to test w response
jinroo [3d?\]: and should be sente
]
;W[ck]WL[3141.423]C[CBlue [2d?\]: GoIngo, it's like http://images.hangame.co.kr/upload/baduk/2010/column/cartoon_baduk_97.jpg
cjr [3d\]: wow
Lumpenhund [5d\]: wow
cjr [3d\]: i was first
Lumpenhund [5d\]: :-)
gogonuts [5d\]: b e9
androgo [1d\]: C10 now
rs220675 [1d\]: crazy from crazystone^^
gogonuts [5d\]: pretty hard work for w
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: E9 E7 D8 D7 expected.
cjr [3d\]: E7 is unique thinking
Leonidas [2k\]: Remi, what data structure you use to represent board and stones?
reprisal [3d\]: thats not very reasonable to expect :9
gogonuts [5d\]: androgo - e9 is the way to take away connection here
GoIngo [?\]: remi, how long are principal lines in average?
CBlue [2d?\]: i cant find the direct link to the comics overview atm :/
CBlue [2d?\]: all in korean -_-
jinroo [3d?\]: e9 e7 c7 looks good for b 
androgo [1d\]:  Hm, elegant 
jinroo [3d?\]: to me
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: Data structure is top secret ;-)
GoIngo [?\]: ;-)
DasWiesel [9k\]: 6d bot?
Leonidas [2k\]: I see :)
blackh [10k\]: Remi, what programming language?
kmlck [2d\]: so did zen surpass crazystone?
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: C++
rsun [5d\]: come on, fj, you are germany's hope
firstkyu [5d\]: e9 now
gogonuts [5d\]: it really needs to be e9 next, imo
GoIngo [?\]: german's next top model ?!
firstkyu [5d\]: is w alive after p18?
Leonidas [2k\]: fj is mankind's hope
cjr [3d\]: D8 or F9?
gogonuts [5d\]: p18 cant kill
cjr [3d\]: some interesting possibilities nearby if he wants to be inventive :)
firstkyu [5d\]: I think p18 is sente
rs220675 [1d\]: the danger of c9 is his potential to split black locally there
firstkyu [5d\]: thats what I mean
]
;B[cq]BL[2702.11]C[gogonuts [5d\]: i think thats right
First [3k?\]: c9 is the right spot
rsun [5d\]: d8 gin will tenuki for sure...
gogonuts [5d\]: but fj has had his hands full
gogonuts [5d\]: uh oh
gogonuts [5d\]: fancy time
]
;W[dp]WL[3103.018]C[gogonuts [5d\]: w fine with e9, imo
GoIngo [?\]: bye bye moyo
rsun [5d\]: gogo have you played fj in person?
gogonuts [5d\]: y
firstkyu [5d\]: of course
gogonuts [5d\]: at german championships
firstkyu [5d\]: more than once
rsun [5d\]: does he use this opening?
gogonuts [5d\]: always lost against him
firstkyu [5d\]: he changes his opening all the time
Lumpenhund [5d\]: he likes 54
rsun [5d\]: ic
firstkyu [5d\]: but its like here
firstkyu [5d\]: a little bit strange an overstreched for my point of view
]
;B[cp]BL[2629.972]C[firstkyu [5d\]: wow
rsun [5d\]: my eyes are popping
gogonuts [5d\]: creative fj
androgo [1d\]: Unexpected
Krapsman [1d\]: f6 ?
cjr [3d\]: this is not the biggest move, nor is it the strongest... he is testing me
]
;W[do]WL[3073.448]C[rsun [5d\]: gogo, if I play that in my game, I'm sure you won't use the word "creative" ;)
Lumpenhund [5d\]: nice idea
firstkyu [5d\]: ok for b I think
]
;B[dn]BL[2624.344]C[RemiCoulom [3k?\]: 56.6%
Muttley [2k\]: who for, CS?
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: E9 next
Vogel [?\]: what does 56.6 mean?
Leonidas [2k\]: skynet has detected a weakness in the human
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: yes, for CS.
Muttley [2k\]: winrate
Muttley [2k\]: thanks
gogonuts [5d\]: my best successes against bots are blindingly boring games - the fancy positions i tend to lose
rsun [5d\]: means it will win
]
;W[ek]WL[3034.473]C[Muttley [2k\]: my best wins are just plodding on and not playing atari, seems to fool them
rsun [5d\]: I don't see how the creativity is working here
Lumpenhund [5d\]: wait
gogonuts [5d\]: i still think fj should have gone with e9
]
;B[gi]BL[2571.699]C[androgo [1d\]: Whats blacks Plan?
Leonidas [2k\]: gogonuts, bots have superior reading ability, so keeping positions simple and "boring" is good :)
First [3k?\]: right
gogonuts [5d\]: that would have given him thickness plus p18 sente plus the next move
firstkyu [5d\]: jup
firstkyu [5d\]: e9 was normal
First [3k?\]: gogonuts would know
First [3k?\]: he plays them 100 times a day'
rsun [5d\]: it seems b want to run into the center to prevent w moyo
]
;W[gk]WL[2996.097]C[rsun [5d\]: maybe b aiming at f16 or sth
gogonuts [5d\]: cash in at p18, then come in at m3?
CBlue [2d?\]: d18?
rsun [5d\]: d18 seems inconsistent
CBlue [2d?\]: c17? ^^
rsun [5d\]: b is playing very high
jinroo [3d?\]: f17 nice point i think 
firstkyu [5d\]: time for p18?
]
;B[ij]BL[2489.37]C[gogonuts [5d\]: btw, kudos to cs for c9 - other bots would be afraid to play that way
globax [3d\]: e17
rsun [5d\]: c9 is a pro move
gogonuts [5d\]: bullies are often weak at defense themselves :-)
rsun [5d\]: invade right after you defend
]
;W[fh]WL[2957.756]C[rsun [5d\]: it creates strong psychological effect
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: F12 F11 D12 D11 E6
]
;B[fi]BL[2481.343]C[gogonuts [5d\]: well, i dont think cs has psychological patterns :-)
]
;W[dh]WL[2919.399]
;B[di]BL[2472.521]C[gogonuts [5d\]: bub defending often creates the situation that now is the last chance to invade
gogonuts [5d\]: before, it wasnt urgent
globax [3d\]: w lost b11 here
firstkyu [5d\]: i hate i cant stay
]
;W[en]WL[2880.54]C[firstkyu [5d\]: sooooo nervous
globax [3d\]: so e6 mandatory
First [3k?\]: where you going?
Hendl [1d\]: center is blacks nice obening for the kohlenstoff
rsun [5d\]: b needs to make his gomoku work
]
;B[dm]BL[2442.688]C[firstkyu [5d\]: playing with kids
firstkyu [5d\]: :)
firstkyu [5d\]: cu all
First [3k?\]: cool
First [3k?\]: bye'
GoIngo [?\]: yu
GoIngo [?\]: cu
]
;W[em]WL[2860.567]C[RobotZombi [1k\]: computers are strong enough to play even against a 6d these days? o_0
Mneme [2k\]: yes
Muttley [2k\]: like it or not, CS says "Ima havin a moyo"
qpax [1d\]: since 2011
gogonuts [5d\]: still p18, then m3
globax [3d\]: g17?
DasWiesel [9k\]: according to the website, crazystone won a HC 4 game against a 9p
Mneme [2k\]: bot win last game
Leonidas [2k\]: yes, german champ is like paper to them.. not strong at all
Hendl [1d\]: i bet human will win today
Mneme [2k\]: i would not bet on any of them
BOThater36 [4d\]: Are they playing Jubango? what is the record so far?
gogonuts [5d\]: so bet against one :-)
gogonuts [5d\]: its best of 5
BOThater36 [4d\]: see
Hendl [1d\]: this opening is so good for black
gogonuts [5d\]: cs 1 fj 0
cjr [3d\]: not clearly good for b
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: J8 expected.
First [3k?\]: rather
First [3k?\]: b has a long stick dragon
Leonidas [2k\]: where would lee sedol play?
cjr [3d\]: P18 in sente first, and then approach upper left?
First [3k?\]: is now the time for f17?
gogonuts [5d\]: not clearly good is actually bad, because if the bot just gets through the opening with an even position, it survived its weakest phase
Hendl [1d\]: b has the center  and white many holes
First [3k?\]: I agree
First [3k?\]: bot has better position at this stage
Hofobbefes [3d\]: b has not the center
Muttley [2k\]: Hello gghideki :)
rsun [5d\]: m5 playable
gogonuts [5d\]: m5 too soft
First [3k?\]: ah the famous gghideki
rsun [5d\]: if cs m3, then r3
]
;B[jl]BL[2181.658]C[pollux1: is p18 sente all the way for b?
First [3k?\]: of the legendary zenbots
GoIngo [?\]: right
Hofobbefes [3d\]: ok now he got a bit of center :-)
rs220675 [1d\]: so it will be a moyo vs. moyo^^
OneEyed [?\]: After Go, Pictionary will be humanity's last stand ;)
]
;W[qo]WL[2822.167]C[rs220675 [1d\]: who can better reduce the others moyo while building his own
]
;B[pn]BL[2154.82]C[gogonuts [5d\]: i think k8 is too laid back
Hofobbefes [3d\]: that is a good flow to beat bots imo
GoIngo [?\]: when it looks like "pudding" cs will act fine
cjr [3d\]: what looks like pudding, the black moyo?
Laman [2d\]: Arimaa gonna fall before go?
]
;W[gg]WL[2783.156]C[gogonuts [5d\]: maybe s6 for s7 before closing the bottom?
gogonuts [5d\]: oh
cjr [3d\]: Arimaa may fall because so few humans play it
Hendl [1d\]: funy move
Lumpenhund [5d\]: hm  g13
Uniqo [1d\]: who plays arimaa anyway
GoIngo [?\]: "when" the center looks like ...
gogonuts [5d\]: is that a note of ill intent? :-)
Laman [2d\]: no one. and no one programs the bots :)
rsun [5d\]: g13 is "before jumping you need to bend your knees"
]
;B[ob]BL[2099.186]C[gogonuts [5d\]: high time for p18
gogonuts [5d\]: had to play it before the area gets busy
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: CS wants to tenuki.
Hofobbefes [3d\]: what about c17 for b?
]
;W[ig]WL[2744.707]C[BreizhI [1k\]: nice it should
rsun [5d\]: b shape at j10 area is very worrisome
Hendl [1d\]: red ear move
cjr [3d\]: :) could lead to new understanding of that upper right position
gogonuts [5d\]: instead of k8 was a better time to get in p18 as sente
Lumpenhund [5d\]: b can tenuki?
rs220675 [1d\]: k12?
cjr [3d\]: i dunno gogo, it cs doesn't think it is sente, it may never be sente...
gogonuts [5d\]: right now cs has the right of sente
rsun [5d\]: b has to fix h11 aji 
gogonuts [5d\]: i think cs thinks that j13 is bigger sente :-)
rsun [5d\]: f8 probe
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: 57.5%
]
;B[ji]BL[1990.756]C[FoH [-\]: is fj also bot?
rs220675 [1d\]: for whom?
DasWiesel [9k\]: remi winrate?
rsun [5d\]: for cs, always
gogonuts [5d\]: he just told us
]
;W[nc]WL[2725.337]C[Mneme [2k\]: fj humankind
BOThater36 [4d\]: what is fj's resume?
rs220675 [1d\]: ah ok, thx
cjr [3d\]: does CS make any status computation for upper right?
]
;B[oc]BL[1982.26]C[rsun [5d\]: german champion
Hendl [1d\]: fj is borg
BOThater36 [4d\]: thx, rsun
First [3k?\]: fj has won many tournaments
Nilpferd [1k\]: 11 times german champion
RobotZombi [1k\]: o17 wow
]
;W[mc]WL[2705.754]C[Zenmid [6k\]: Does CS use Ponder?
]
;B[pb]BL[1969.762]C[First [3k?\]: should have been 17 times german champion
rsun [5d\]: it would be funny if CS > fj > gogo > CS
First [3k?\]: but all is well
Mneme [2k\]: yes zenmid
Muttley [2k\]: Franz Josef Dickhut is leader of the resistance and man's last hope against the machines
rs220675 [1d\]: I don't like black anymore
gogonuts [5d\]: w o17 was the main reason b should have asked earlier
rsun [5d\]: k16 sweet spot
]
;W[md]WL[2667.337]C[KlausB [?\]: rs22.. ddon't get personal .. :-)
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: N16 59.5%
Hendl [1d\]: resistance is promising
Muttley [2k\]: why isn't this ok for b?
rs220675 [1d\]: white has two potential moyos and black some pudding in the centre
Muttley [2k\]: b traded a corner, that's ok surely
First [3k?\]: b could definitely be a european professional
Hendl [1d\]: w too:-)
BOThater36 [4d\]: where is Calvin Sun?
gogonuts [5d\]: because w never ansered in the corner and now gets great compensation on the outside
Muttley [2k\]: Canada, Bot
Jermelle [-\]: loll, I dont think calvin is here
rsun [5d\]: AGA pros disappear shortly they become pro
rsun [5d\]: after*
IHateKos: I'm surprised
IHateKos: Seeing how first is so civil
BreizhI [1k\]: Remi Coulom, ce n'est pas un soucis d'avoir une grosse différence de niveau entre toi et CS ? je veux dire pour programmer cela ne change rien ?
rsun [5d\]: je ne parle pas francais
Horia [2k\]: l'élève a dépassé le maître on peut dire xD
fluidistic [5k\]: hier fj a joué contre ginseiigo, un bot 5d.  fj a perdu
Jermelle [-\]: I agree with rsun, after they become pro, poof, gone
Muttley [2k\]: Some of the best chessbots are programmed by rank amateurs, chesswise
Muttley [2k\]: being strong doesn't mean you understand computer analysis
BreizhI [1k\]: AH ok Muttley
fluidistic [5k\]: being 5d in go is nothing.  being 5d in programming is everything :D
cjr [3d\]: Yeah, more important to be a good programmer :)
gogonuts [5d\]: no choice about o15 imo
Mneme [2k\]: non ca chane rien breizhl Rémi est un super fort proframmeur
CBlue [2d?\]: why not n15?
Muttley [2k\]: You're welcome, I understood Breizhl :)
gogonuts [5d\]: and after w closes the top, b will have to live there
BreizhI [1k\]: But sometimes it could be embarrassing right ?
gogonuts [5d\]: or die :-)
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: Breizhl: Non pas de souci. C'est très facile de comprendre les faiblesses du programme.
First [3k?\]: does remi even speak french?
First [3k?\]: oh
fluidistic [5k\]: he's French
chea7er [7d?\]: Really?
chea7er [7d?\]: I thought Remi was Japanese
rsun [5d\]: w j16 next?
DasWiesel [9k\]: remi how many lines of code does CS have?
Muttley [2k\]: onthe contrary, the weaker you are, the better it is that your bot is strong
rsun [5d\]: how can coulom be japanese name
fluidistic [5k\]: Remi is French and is professor in French university
chea7er [7d?\]: But remi's profile is Japanese
BreizhI [1k\]: Ah ok contre intuitif alors :p
]
;B[me]BL[1758.332]C[RemiCoulom [3k?\]: Long time did not count maybe 30k or 40k. depends how you count.
Muttley [2k\]: Its so common in the chessworld that it is unremarkable
chea7er [7d?\]: oh, this remi. I was thinking of a different remi
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: I am not a professor any more.
chea7er [7d?\]: sorry
]
;W[od]WL[2647.948]C[fluidistic [5k\]: oh I didn't know Rémi
]
;B[ne]BL[1747.284]C[fluidistic [5k\]: but still researcher?
]
;W[kd]WL[2628.072]C[rsun [5d\]: now n14 in bad position
BOThater36 [4d\]: not a full time bot programmer?
Muttley [2k\]: hmmm, still interesting
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: I left to create my company.
Horia [2k\]: winrate ?
GoIngo [?\]: remi, lewt cs beat the best humans and you will hbecome professor again
gogonuts [5d\]: terrible
fluidistic [5k\]: ok Rémi :)
]
;B[hf]BL[1719.654]C[gogonuts [5d\]: r18 resurects the corner
DasWiesel [9k\]: your company sells CS?
cjr [3d\]: Are you hiring? ;)
GoIngo [?\]: "unbalanced" sells cs
rsun [5d\]: remi, please hire me as bot tester
rsun [5d\]: I can play CS 8 hours a day
]
;W[hg]WL[2589.622]C[Horia [2k\]: ahah
fluidistic [5k\]: I guess Rémi hires bots :) not humans 
wazi [3k\]: =))
gogonuts [5d\]: lol, rsun
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: 62.5% now, btw.
First [3k?\]: all the middle dan in here play bots 24/7
gogonuts [5d\]: this has gotten bad for fj
rsun [5d\]: your CS will gain 2 stones after training intensively with me
BreizhI [1k\]: it begin bigger and bigger
BOThater36 [4d\]: to play bot, you have to use unconventional weapon
DasWiesel [9k\]: D18 still possible?
GoIngo [?\]: rsun, send me a mail please
Jermelle [-\]: Where has gobugobu been? He'd make nice comments
wazi [3k\]: hire me, i can code Java, C, HTML, Javascript.....
]
;B[dc]BL[1658.783]C[Leonidas [2k\]: both white corners still open for invasion
cjr [3d\]: Do you create graphs to show the probability of ownership for each point in the final playout?
GoIngo [?\]: ingo.althoefer@uni-jena.de
cjr [3d\]: I think that would be really cool :)
rsun [5d\]: mail you for..?
Lilltiger [-\]: pr0n spam
GoIngo [?\]: yes, and I explain everything ...
]
;W[ec]WL[2551.175]C[cjr [3d\]: life, the universe, and 42
]
;B[eb]BL[1649.256]C[rsun [5d\]: what bot do you have?
cjr [3d\]: you won't regret it
gogonuts [5d\]: from here on, i think where ever fj tries to pick a fight cs will say ok, you can have some too
gogonuts [5d\]: like in the first game
BreizhI [1k\]: is e18 better than c17  ?
]
;W[ed]WL[2512.902]C[Lumpenhund [5d\]: e16 rocksolid
GoIngo [?\]: I have no bot, but a group at Univesity
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: CS hesitated between both.
rsun [5d\]: how can I help you?
GoIngo [?\]: mail me, and I will explain
rsun [5d\]: o.o
]
;B[db]BL[1581.248]C[pope: sounds legit
rs220675 [1d\]: like in the first game cs is destroying fj methodically
]
;W[fb]WL[2474.419]
;B[cd]BL[1567.866]C[cjr [3d\]: b16?
cjr [3d\]: probably not
globax [3d\]: b16?
kmlck [2d\]: f17 aji my prevent b16
kmlck [2d\]: may*
gogonuts [5d\]: its very hard to get off the road to perdition against a bot, once your on it
rsun [5d\]: is the job description "play bot 8 hours a day"?
BreizhI [1k\]: Rémi, this is test game for CS ? Or something else ?
]
;W[ce]WL[2435.544]C[GoIngo [?\]: it is better
fluidistic [5k\]: Rémi, could you let cs play on kgs after this game? Some of us are in heaven when cs is here
GoRoGoRo [?\]: 10 hours?
]
;B[bd]BL[1551.515]C[rsun [5d\]: lol
GoIngo [?\]: ;-)
wampleek [?\]: Cs is a not?
BreizhI [1k\]: Yeah it will be very nice :)
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: Breizhl: this is the codecentric challenge.
wampleek [?\]: Not*
rsun [5d\]: but frankly I don't know much programming
BreizhI [1k\]: AH ok merci, 
]
;W[hi]WL[2396.164]C[Muttley [2k\]: Lots of questions for Remi, do respect his privacy re: programming though :)
GoIngo [?\]: my horizon is wide - and all my students are differentz
Muttley [2k\]: you're all good :)
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: fluidistic: sorry, I have only one machine and use it for testing CS.
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: But I may connect a slower one to calibrate the weak levels.
pope: What's CS
pope: oh
]
;B[hj]BL[1525.638]C[pope: ic
cjr [3d\]: does h11 do anything?
RobotZombi [1k\]: cs = computer science
Muttley [2k\]: what is interesting about the bot is it does very little about b's moyo
gogonuts [5d\]: b getting bamboozzled?
rsun [5d\]: oh this is phd opening? 
Muttley [2k\]: it let's b play where it builds strength, very subtle
]
;W[kh]WL[2356.882]C[gogonuts [5d\]: this is starting to look like a cat toying with a mouse
fluidistic [5k\]: ok thx Remi
gogonuts [5d\]: poor fj
Hendl [1d\]: k12
rsun [5d\]: gogo, you should play the rest of the match for fj :)
Uniqo [1d\]: b18 is ko
dyago [5k\]: whos cat
fluidistic [5k\]: there is ginseiigo (5d) bot on kgs currently Rémi.  if you want to test cs vs it ... :)  feel free to go ahead
fluidistic [5k\]: zen played it a few times
]
;B[jh]BL[1432.038]
;W[jg]WL[2318.402]C[First [3k?\]: it's too latae
First [3k?\]: the bot is aiming for half point win
Zenmid [6k\]: CS is in even good situation...? about 20
GoIngo [?\]: rsun, simply mail me ...
]
;B[ke]BL[1362.783]C[qpax [1d\]: it's not bots aiming for 0.5 win, it's humans aiming for 0.5 loss
GoIngo [?\]: rsun, simply mail me
GoRoGoRo [?\]: (please)
rsun [5d\]: I can assume the job is PhD studentship?
GoIngo [?\]: rsun, simply mail me
rsun [5d\]: ...
Muttley [2k\]: guys, take it private :)
First [3k?\]: please
rsun [5d\]: how about PM here
]
;W[je]WL[2279.957]C[GoRoGoRo [?\]: yeah, and then tell us
Muttley [2k\]: thanks rsun
nhanh [3d\]: cut
First [3k?\]: do it via mail
kmlck [2d\]: cut works?
kmlck [2d\]: cs is tricked?
RemiCoulom [3k?\]:  K16 L17 G18 F17
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: expected.
RobotZombi [1k\]: I expect L13 
kmlck [2d\]: me2
]
;B[kg]BL[1274.818]C[awesome [3k\]: fj kicking back
Horia [2k\]: but now, white sente
kmlck [2d\]: this looks good for b
fluidistic [5k\]: K16 was expected
TheNewONe [-\]: this look really bad for b...
Horia [2k\]: cs will perhaps invade
]
;W[kf]WL[2241.637]C[fluidistic [5k\]: I am sure cs has the refutation of L13
]
;B[lg]BL[1269.529]C[globax [3d\]: n7
fluidistic [5k\]: N8
dyago [5k\]: o9
qpax [1d\]: atari and tenuki seems decent refutation
rs220675 [1d\]: I also think the time setting could be improved next time for a human vs. bot match: at least 2h thinking time plus byo.
fluidistic [5k\]: or M8
pollux1: n8 dangerous n7 better
]
;W[mo]WL[2202.858]C[Muttley [2k\]: lol
fluidistic [5k\]: lol N5
gogonuts [5d\]: awesome
dyago [5k\]: bots like space before fights
TheNewONe [-\]: n5 say it is enought for me
rsun [5d\]: p3 probe
rsun [5d\]: now or never
First [3k?\]: b humiliated
GoIngo [?\]: remi, % please
pollux1: life possible in corner with r18
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: 66%
GoIngo [?\]: thx
globax [3d\]: o2 all out ?
Muttley [2k\]: it is remarkable how it plays unprejudiced moves
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: p3 probe will get q3 answer?
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: R3 R4 expected.
TheNewONe [-\]: +
gogonuts [5d\]: not much choice for b imo - has to come in at k5
Muttley [2k\]: what's the winrate now?
gogonuts [5d\]: even if his own moyo suffers
fluidistic [5k\]: black will play N7
TheNewONe [-\]: no way
Muttley [2k\]: is >60%?
fluidistic [5k\]: or K5
fluidistic [5k\]: Muttley 66%
rsun [5d\]: p3 first
rs220675 [1d\]: maybe even a doulbe attack at m3 and then r3 to suck out all that is possible in this area
Muttley [2k\]: thx, that's getting to be significant, from my humble stats perspective
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: p3 is nice idea, to ask if b can easy invade corner or side
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: but.. not sure why, I dont like it :(
Duracell [?\]: n7 ?
Muttley [2k\]: possible because it kills L3 aji, if you think there is aji there
awesome [3k\]: inavde deep like a hero
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: k5 seem fine to me
rsun [5d\]: I guess p3 o3, then b got nothing,..
rsun [5d\]: k5, cs will k7
BreizhI [1k\]: How old has CS ? 
fluidistic [5k\]: born in 2005 I think
fluidistic [5k\]: something like that
wampleek [?\]: Born??
BreizhI [1k\]: hm 10 years
rsun [5d\]: remi, does cs know b18 ko?
Muttley [2k\]: is it a ko with a dog leg?
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: I don't know, but I see B18 here and there in the PV.
rsun [5d\]: what is PV?
RobotZombi [1k\]: how many of us would have considered playing N5 with white here?
fluidistic [5k\]: primary variation
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: principal variation.
fluidistic [5k\]: or principal
rsun [5d\]: ic thx
RobotZombi [1k\]: I'd never have thought of it
gogonuts [5d\]: b18 doesnt work properly when f17 isnt protected
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: pv is basically the tree part?
cjr [3d\]: N5 is not strange move
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: or the most probable branches in tree
Leonidas [2k\]: n5 pro-ish
Muttley [2k\]: it is easy to miss though, cjr
fluidistic [5k\]: not necessarily ootakamoku I believe. it depends on the program
gogonuts [5d\]: normally i think fj would just play k5 pretty quickly, but he can feel that he is beeing led by the nose
Muttley [2k\]: I wouldn't have thought of something that tight
]
;B[mm]BL[914.939]C[rsun [5d\]: remi how was the politics in academia
awesome [3k\]: no way
rsun [5d\]: hey, n7 is my style
cjr [3d\]: does CS give an expected lead?
GoIngo [?\]: now cs will have home run
dyago [5k\]: good call fluid
fluidistic [5k\]: N7, 5k move... I might have played it
fluidistic [5k\]: my first choice knowing it's too slow to win
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: rsun: I don't know, was not involved in that.
]
;W[lm]WL[2164.506]C[gogonuts [5d\]: i think b is hoping that he can pull a fast one on cs, after cs defeends
cjr [3d\]: yes, much easier for bot than human to pick a move in this kind of position
pokale [2d?\]: i am pokale
Leonidas [2k\]: well.. n7 certainly not bad, but isn't there anything better?
Kretzsche [2k?\]: you think so lowly of fj it's incredible
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: b better have a plan for the bottom
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: I did my research alone with no funding.
awesome [3k\]: fj must think of inavsion
]
;B[ll]BL[893.691]C[dyago [5k\]: b too far back now unless tricks appear
rsun [5d\]: wow...
Muttley [2k\]: actually, not sure b is that far behind
Muttley [2k\]: seems more like around 5.5
pollux1: I thought b should hav fought
rsun [5d\]: but doesn't the department give you some pressure if you don't get funding?
backpack1 [3d\]: how about p3?
Lumpenhund [5d\]: r18 not small
]
;W[nm]WL[2125.695]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: m6
Duracell [?\]: probe p3 now
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: this looks like an opportunity for b
gogonuts [5d\]: i would answer n8
pollux1: m6 or die
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: rsun: no.
jw24 [6k\]: winning percentage now?
fluidistic [5k\]: 68% I guess...
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: gogo, how does w continue against b m6?
rsun [5d\]: that's good to know
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: 67.8%
jw24 [6k\]: wow
cjr [3d\]: Remi, couldn't you make some heat maps and cool things like that for the game analysis? :)
rsun [5d\]: I always thought it was impossible to do pure research nowadays
]
;B[ml]BL[827.732]C[AboutDan [2k\]: fluid, nice guess
gogonuts [5d\]: prob with o
dyago [5k\]: p8
fluidistic [5k\]: only way to win for black is by creating a magic ko
rs220675 [1d\]: cs is cruising...
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: m6 o8 n6 o6 p5 o5 n3 
BreizhI [1k\]: Rémy you wasn't working for CNRS ?
]
;W[bb]WL[2086.901]C[awesome [3k\]: lol
fluidistic [5k\]: B18 hahaha
gogonuts [5d\]: b had to play n8 to keep the top and hes hoping defense is hard for cs now
]
;B[be]BL[817.958]C[Duracell [?\]: b looks still fine
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: err.. last move in sequence at o3, not n3
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: Breizhl: I was Maître de Conférences. Member of a CNRS lab, too. French system is complicated.
gogonuts [5d\]: i dont agree with b18
Lumpenhund [5d\]: c17?
BreizhI [1k\]: yeah , jsuis en plein de dans :)
]
;W[bf]WL[2048.609]
;B[de]BL[816.361]C[gogonuts [5d\]: it opens ws weakness at f17
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: Back to 65%
dyago [5k\]: bot luring well
globax [3d\]: counteratari
cjr [3d\]: E15 now?
fluidistic [5k\]: bots usually mess up corners :(
]
;W[ee]WL[2009.905]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: this gives b one lib tho
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: which removes ko, no?
]
;B[cf]BL[804.143]C[dyago [5k\]: white gets into side now
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: actually, can even fill and still remove ko
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: because of e14 and f17 aji
]
;W[df]WL[1970.753]C[gogonuts [5d\]: c18 now, imo
Zenmid [6k\]: CS has optimistic feeling, so shoule have selected safety movement...
]
;B[cb]BL[792.463]C[gogonuts [5d\]: fj agrees :-)
dyago [5k\]: how does a 6d fall for that?
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: dyago, it was CS who fell for something, not b
]
;W[bc]WL[1932.143]C[dyago [5k\]: b12
fluidistic [5k\]: cs is 6d
]
;B[ba]BL[783.226]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: I know, but I assumed he was refering to b with the comment
dyago [5k\]: i was
fluidistic [5k\]: ah ok
dyago [5k\]: b lives but w gains poits, terriroty and likely sente
fluidistic [5k\]: bot mess up corner is rule of thumb. 
]
;W[rn]WL[1893.349]C[GoIngo [?\]: losing the corner makes whole-board evaluation simpler for CS
pokale [2d?\]: w is the strongest robot?
gogonuts [5d\]: not good by w in the upper left
dyago [5k\]: zen
gogonuts [5d\]: bad for endgame
rsun [5d\]: CS stronger
Kretzsche [2k?\]: b is the strongest robot
fluidistic [5k\]: strongest bot is unknown until they don't create a rating list
]
;B[rm]BL[747.507]C[fluidistic [5k\]: and test under equal hardware
Zenmid [6k\]: CS is one of the strongest robot in the world
rsun [5d\]: hideki is here in fact
qpax [1d\]: zen is better than cs
dyago [5k\]: they play each other every now and ten
dyago [5k\]: i like zens style best
fluidistic [5k\]: yeah but on different hardwares
gogonuts [5d\]: cs is king of the hill until proven otherwise
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: gogo, question in the clone, care to take a look?
fluidistic [5k\]: these games are worthless to discuss which is the best
dyago [5k\]: i never see zen play with long time like this game
]
;W[ql]WL[1854.123]
;B[ro]BL[735.453]C[dyago [5k\]: anotyer bot screw up?
cjr [3d\]: R8?
awesome [3k\]: r8 interesting
]
;W[rp]WL[1834.158]C[TheNewONe [-\]: first
BreizhI [1k\]: a17 leads to a ko ?
cjr [3d\]: looks like a misclick, maybe a wrong index somewhere in the code? :)
TheNewONe [-\]: bots learn to play shapes moves
]
;B[sn]BL[721.761]C[TheNewONe [-\]: r8 isn't missclick that i say
TheNewONe [-\]: it is shape move
TheNewONe [-\]: i mean
dyago [5k\]: i agree
dyago [5k\]: looks great
TheNewONe [-\]: if we remove r14 and n8
TheNewONe [-\]: it is normal move to attack b ;)
jinroo [2d?\]: r8 looks terrible 
dyago [5k\]: p8
jinroo [2d?\]: the timing
jinroo [2d?\]: at least
]
;W[nn]WL[1795.319]C[gogonuts [5d\]: cs is getting a little funky
cjr [3d\]: and creates bad aji in lower right
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: p8 natural
Kretzsche [2k?\]: it's called crazy stone for a reason
fluidistic [5k\]: successor of crazy bishop
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: with the w shape so bad at the bottom, it looks easy to live there now
cjr [3d\]: leading too much with the R18 endgame perhaps?
backpack1 [3d\]: q8 is natural
]
;B[pl]BL[635.027]C[cjr [3d\]: making sure O6 is sente and then protect at K5 or K6
dyago [5k\]: k5
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: b r3 should givelife tho
globax [3d\]: r18 sequence, then k6
]
;W[nl]WL[1756.435]
;B[nk]BL[625.313]C[dyago [5k\]: pesky bot
awesome [3k\]: r18 ends in sente for b?
gogonuts [5d\]: surely r3 gets something for b now
GoIngo [?\]: remi, % please
]
;W[ok]WL[1717.467]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: someone wants n6 in sente..
awesome [3k\]: tenuki?
]
;B[ol]BL[592.425]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: hmm, I wonder if b could have played m6 instead of p8
]
;W[mk]WL[1697.025]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: h, cant, then r6 gies
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: dies*
]
;B[nj]BL[578.266]C[dyago [5k\]: why does se show stones at s-t 16 17?
]
;W[km]WL[1669.936]C[Leonidas [2k\]: hey btw, is there commentary on game 1 yet?
]
;B[kl]BL[576.146]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: dyago, because its SE
rsun [5d\]: I don't think there will be any commentary
dyago [5k\]: is it assuming a sequence?
gogonuts [5d\]: im not impressed by cs since b18
afar [3d?\]: dyago: No, it's just really inaccurate
dyago [5k\]: thx
]
;W[bm]WL[1631.11]C[gogonuts [5d\]: somebody disabled a couple of cores? :-)
dyago [5k\]: ha
cjr [3d\]: fj maybe
]
;B[bn]BL[562.014]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: dyago, dont read too much into SE, its like a 15kyu, when it comes to guessing what is dead and alive, its good for couting tho, when its japanese rules, and you first help it understand which groups are alive and dead
dyago [5k\]: or added some random junk
dyago [5k\]: thx
First [3k?\]: score estimate is great
First [3k?\]: for counting
awesome [3k\]: don't listen to that, se does extremely advanced analysis to provide you the correct estimate of the game
fluidistic [5k\]: well from now and on looks like black can reduce whtie but not the other way around
First [3k?\]: which is exactly what it does
]
;W[cm]WL[1591.943]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: gote
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: invade bottom
cjr [3d\]: w still has R18, which is pretty huge
fluidistic [5k\]: SE is good in japanese rules
fluidistic [5k\]: in chinese rules it's useless
rsun [5d\]: do not speak evil of SE, or it will kill all your stones in your next game
]
;B[cn]BL[530.465]C[gogonuts [5d\]: yes, the secret6 fight is if w gets r18 or not
dyago [5k\]: it would be intersting if each bot showed its se
]
;W[an]WL[1552.396]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: with that in mind, b should ask o19 asap
]
;B[ao]BL[525.354]C[Muttley [2k\]: Score est discusses rule sets with sum
rsun [5d\]: lol
wazi [3k\]: SE 10d?
gogonuts [5d\]: if i read it correctly r18 gets w 1000y ko
fluidistic [5k\]: A6???
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: how about just r18 and connect under?
]
;W[cr]WL[1512.819]C[gogonuts [5d\]: a6?
backpack1 [3d\]: SE cant be that nuts...
fluidistic [5k\]: what the....
]
;B[br]BL[519.428]C[gogonuts [5d\]: b1 now?
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: r18 q16 q19 r17 p19 q17 s18 yose for w
dyago [5k\]: d8
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: bottom left sequence is weird, since w cant play a7 anwyays
]
;W[dr]WL[1473.313]
;B[bs]BL[511.979]C[fluidistic [5k\]: K7
gogonuts [5d\]: better r18 q16 r17 p15 s15 o19 m18 s18 s19 s17 t18 t17 t15 imo
dyago [5k\]: j6
]
;W[jm]WL[1434.969]C[awesome [3k\]: l5
]
;B[im]BL[504.236]C[awesome [3k\]: you win fluid
Kretzsche [2k?\]: letters and numbers
cjr [3d\]: K7 ugly
fluidistic [5k\]: now J6 :)
fluidistic [5k\]: or H8
]
;W[in]WL[1396.215]C[awesome [3k\]: you can't hedge your bets
Muttley [2k\]: h6?
fluidistic [5k\]: ok so I win again :D
awesome [3k\]: now this one doesn't count
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: 63%. Win rate steadily decreasing.
GoIngo [?\]: thx for info
GoRoGoRo [?\]: @Ingo: thx for reading
]
;B[hm]BL[450.739]C[gogonuts [5d\]: theremust be some inaccuracies in cs corner evaluations here
rs220675 [1d\]: is r3 still a real threat for black?
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: gogo, ya, looks better
gogonuts [5d\]: y
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: gogo: probably.
]
;W[hn]WL[1356.679]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: all the more reason b shoudl ask o19
awesome [3k\]: be a hero and invade
fluidistic [5k\]: black t4 anytime
Leonidas [2k\]: maybe the monte carlo effect is kicking in? bot can afford to let winrate drop.. just not below 50%
]
;B[dl]BL[432.891]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: as it removes both possible endgame sequences from the corner, in sente, assuming o19 gets m18 answer
pokale [2d?\]: i count w+49.5
pokale [2d?\]: why doesn't b resign?
]
;W[dk]WL[1330.557]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: leonidas, bots dont drop winrate, they drop the score margin
Kretzsche [2k?\]: maybe he has a different count from you
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: 62%
]
;B[gm]BL[410.474]C[gogonuts [5d\]: happy g7
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: fun aji here
]
;W[el]WL[1311.08]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: this probably lets b invade the bottom
awesome [3k\]: cool!
]
;B[ln]BL[400.4]C[GoRoGoRo [?\]: L5
fluidistic [5k\]: K6
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: I thought b would paly l5 right away
GoRoGoRo [?\]: (to guess something)
dyago [5k\]: sacrifice
]
;W[qb]WL[1272.683]
;B[pd]BL[393.818]C[gogonuts [5d\]: shorte cs: this all stinks
Muttley [2k\]: gosh
]
;W[qc]WL[1252.956]C[Kretzsche [2k?\]: hu?
]
;B[oe]BL[382.007]C[wampleek [?\]: Bad timing
nhanh [3d\]: o19
gogonuts [5d\]: will it find 1000y ko?
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: ask o19 now
Muttley [2k\]: I wondered whether b could connect like this
gogonuts [5d\]: or degenerate to direct ko, like most bots?
Muttley [2k\]: yeah, this is the ko
BreizhI [1k\]: s15 nox ?
]
;W[oa]WL[1214.65]C[BreizhI [1k\]: now*
]
;B[pa]BL[376.255]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: hmm, uncodiotjnal life
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: take that
gogonuts [5d\]: not helpful
Muttley [2k\]: no, it wants to set up living shape
gogonuts [5d\]: b endgame pretty big
plains [4d\]: it could alive :o
dyago [5k\]: s15
]
;W[qa]WL[1176.081]C[Muttley [2k\]: so it will manufacture R19 ir S19 somehow
]
;B[na]BL[371.146]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: ya, 1000y ko without sacrifcing yose on the other side would be better
gogonuts [5d\]: not worth the price imo
gogonuts [5d\]: b m18 is big
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: b l17?
rs220675 [1d\]: does black still have chances? this looks to me like black would resign in a normal match
]
;W[re]WL[1137.13]C[Muttley [2k\]: I think b has a chance
Kretzsche [2k?\]: yea but you are 1d and b is 6d
pokale [2d?\]: its gote so b also gets to invade bottom futher
]
;B[ld]BL[354.528]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: same idea as l17, except dont allow for w to attempt bad ko
gogonuts [5d\]: cute
]
;W[lc]WL[1114.093]
;B[kc]BL[353.451]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: and costs b a few points
gogonuts [5d\]: fj payback time
miao [6d\]: maybe L17 was suji
wampleek [?\]: Wow
wampleek [?\]: Huge
awesome [3k\]: cool moves here
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: back to 59%
]
;W[le]WL[1094.616]
;B[lb]BL[352.161]C[gogonuts [5d\]: this looks good to me
pokale [2d?\]: living with r15  really not worth it
]
;W[ld]WL[1074.836]C[GoRoGoRo [?\]: go fj, go!
]
;B[jc]BL[349.213]C[wolokom [5k\]: i love b
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: l5
gogonuts [5d\]: the problem wa s that it paid this huge price for r19
lepore [1d\]: win rate?
gogonuts [5d\]: i think it didnt see 1000y ko
fluidistic [5k\]: look above lepore
]
;W[ma]WL[1035.755]
;B[la]BL[336.132]C[dyago [5k\]: j18 
nhanh [3d\]: hmm
GoRoGoRo [?\]: W panicking already?
yutyu: cs made mistake
awesome [3k\]: fun when bots panic :)
]
;W[id]WL[996.782]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: naa, game sily when bots panic
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: back to bottom now
]
;B[gn]BL[321.329]C[fluidistic [5k\]: come on cs
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: and CS not panicking yet
poire [3d\]: Remi Coulon: Does the program choose the risk in inverse proportion to win rate? That is, if the winrate had been 87% say, would Black have chosen to just grab yose points at P19?
]
;W[ko]WL[975.237]C[Kretzsche [2k?\]: fun when kibitz read all kind of nonsense into moves they dont understand
fluidistic [5k\]: L5 yessss
gogonuts [5d\]: uh oh
backpack1 [3d\]: why not L5
]
;B[go]BL[309.322]C[gogonuts [5d\]: now fj got to fancy
GoRoGoRo [?\]: @poire: B is notbot
backpack1 [3d\]: b should ve
yutyu: L5 si gigger than P19
]
;W[fo]WL[955.754]C[gogonuts [5d\]: maybe i take that back#
gogonuts [5d\]: backdoor also nice
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: poire, almost all monte carlo bots, choose moves that remove L&D situations, even if it costs lots of points, when they have big margin of win, since less L&D means less variance in results, and hence higher winrate.
fluidistic [5k\]: who's leading gogonuts?
FoH [-\]: huuge
]
;B[kn]BL[290.083]C[gogonuts [5d\]: dunno
rs220675 [1d\]: and black has still r3 right?
]
;W[jn]WL[936.436]C[fluidistic [5k\]: winrate 52%?
Xebo [4d\]: cs still thinks its leading?
]
;B[mn]BL[283.09]C[jinroo [2d?\]: dont think thats working
gogonuts [5d\]: b will prob ask at p5 instead of r3 now
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: n6 is nice, makes r3 work well
gogonuts [5d\]: but not sure
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: 60%
yutyu: p5-> r3
fluidistic [5k\]: 60% yes!!!!!
]
;W[lo]WL[897.725]C[dyago [5k\]: k4
nhanh [3d\]: g6 doesn't look like best move
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: fluidistic, you running this position on some bot?
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: zen?
qpax [1d\]: if w can play r8 and still win, then I'm impressed
]
;B[jo]BL[264.815]C[fluidistic [5k\]: no ootaka
]
;W[io]WL[878.355]C[gogonuts [5d\]: very nice cut
gogonuts [5d\]: sneaking in 
pokale [2d?\]: game over
rsun [5d\]: fluid didn't buy any bot
awesome [3k\]: j4?
]
;B[ip]BL[240.542]C[poire [3d\]: OOtakamoku: thanks, but it seems to me that white's sequence just now is INCREASING the L&D risk, since the corneris a ko (which must be well know to bots). However, it seems to me that white can win rather safely by choose to get the yose points. so I wonder if the 62% win rate is "foolong" it.
RedOni [3d\]: ýe
Kretzsche [2k?\]: can it be called sneaking in when you use brute moves like a crow bar?
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
]
;W[jp]WL[858.816]
;B[ho]BL[236.136]
;W[jo]WL[839.369]
;B[hp]BL[228.592]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: fix r3
eric1010 [1d\]: j2
gogonuts [5d\]: j2 holds the line though
]
;W[sf]WL[819.653]C[gogonuts [5d\]: ah
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: t14 lol
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: gote for white
awesome [3k\]: hmmm
jinroo [2d?\]: huge
]
;B[sg]BL[217.707]C[gogonuts [5d\]: fj will hate that
gogonuts [5d\]: stolen sente
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: t14 is not big, since its gote
jinroo [2d?\]: gote ?
jinroo [2d?\]: so sente
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: seki in corner
]
;W[se]WL[800.134]C[jinroo [2d?\]: nope
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: if white tenukies
gogonuts [5d\]: ah true
gogonuts [5d\]: sente seki
]
;B[rg]BL[208.33]C[fluidistic [5k\]: it will tenuki
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: yes
globax [3d\]: j2
jinroo [2d?\]: how ?
awesome [3k\]: is seki so big for b?
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: which means most defiantely lose points from that exchange
cjr [3d\]: there is also a ko variation
BreizhI [1k\]: b ~ 81 w ~83 there is a komi ?
cjr [3d\]: althought it is almost never possible
globax [3d\]: j2 or j18.?
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: that exchange, is 4 points, in sente, but sente seki in corner is worth 8 points
GoIngo [?\]: komi 6.5
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: so, gain 4 in sente, then lose 8 in sente, does not add up
gogonuts [5d\]: s17 t18 s18 t17 s19 t16 
]
;W[ab]WL[761.81]C[BreizhI [1k\]: w win
cjr [3d\]: hmm
Uniqo [1d\]: seki is 7 points gote
gogonuts [5d\]: seki is sente
dyago [5k\]: this is fun
GoRoGoRo [?\]: B less than 4 minutes
BreizhI [1k\]: Isn't A 17 better ?
]
;B[cc]BL[176.531]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: well, w can play ko for the whole corner, if refuse sente seki
GoRoGoRo [?\]: will this become an issue?
GoIngo [?\]: after that 40 seconds per mopve
cjr [3d\]: but plenty of byoyomi
gogonuts [5d\]: byoyomi is generous
GoIngo [?\]: + 5 byo phases
dyago [5k\]: d19
gogonuts [5d\]: should not be a problem
Uniqo [1d\]: ah, preventing seki is reverse sente 7 points
]
;W[il]WL[723.086]C[fluidistic [5k\]: bug
pokale [2d?\]:                                                                                                                                                                                                                CrazyStone: Why did you program me to feel pain
gogonuts [5d\]: cs breaking
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: uniqo, hmm, ok, so in that case, seki should be counted as 7 points too
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: Looks like nonsense move because it does not understand the corner.
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: so ya, I was wrong, its 7 points in sente, not 8 :)
wazi [3k\]: NullPointerException :))
]
;B[hl]BL[138.44]C[dyago [5k\]: seems to be a pattern in moves like this
dyago [5k\]: gotta be planed
fluidistic [5k\]: hopefully cs fix the corner (and lose it) so it becomes normal again
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
RobotZombi [1k\]: white was hoping black would not see H8?
Muttley [2k\]: I'm puzzled, but that's because I have a different algorithmic approach to specific positions I guess
qpax [1d\]: seki in the top right is gote for b
]
;W[hk]WL[684.663]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: muttley, does your algorithm involve dices?
Muttley [2k\]: no, bones
leboss [6k?\]: who is winning
]
;B[ik]BL[126.056]C[dyago [5k\]: w
lepore [1d\]: seems b ahead no?
rs220675 [1d\]: b
nhanh [3d\]: :) chicken bones?
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: I prefere tea leaves
gogonuts [5d\]: judging by these last moves cs is going down
dyago [5k\]: puer
Muttley [2k\]: :)
oliolioli [2k\]: b ahead
HTakagi: b will win
gogonuts [5d\]: but dont bet your life on it
]
;W[ea]WL[646.021]C[shellgame [2d?\]: bones like dominoes, or cannibles?
]
;B[da]BL[106.025]C[Muttley [2k\]: cannibals, if you must :)
Hendl [1d\]: difference lesser than komi i think
Uniqo [1d\]: qpax, s17 is sente seki http://senseis.xmp.net/?RectangularEightInTheCorner
rs220675 [1d\]: %?
dyago [5k\]: j17
awesome [3k\]: r3 already!
]
;W[ib]WL[606.885]C[dyago [5k\]: cs wants an r3 battle 
gogonuts [5d\]: connecting at f19 is pretty heavy because b gets endgame from the other side
jinroo [2d?\]: r3 not working anymore I think 
wolokom [5k\]: oh
]
;B[gb]BL[87.679]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: b can ask p5 first
gogonuts [5d\]: simply g18
fluidistic [5k\]: hurts
fluidistic [5k\]: big time
dyago [5k\]: k18
jinroo [2d?\]: b gets o6 yes
gogonuts [5d\]: e19 for d19 is terrible now
]
;W[gc]WL[568.514]
;B[fa]BL[82.522]C[wolokom [5k\]: b is ahead very easy now
gogonuts [5d\]: yes, b can see the harbor
lepore [1d\]: so two ways to get seki in top right, which one ends in sente for b?
fluidistic [5k\]: w has weaknesses everywhere
]
;W[fc]WL[533.255]C[gogonuts [5d\]: tenuki
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: the r3 invasion now looks very complicated
WhiteRawr [5d\]: j2
gogonuts [5d\]: no need
]
;B[gr]BL[55.725]C[awesome [3k\]: nice
wolokom [5k\]:  hm
gogonuts [5d\]: messing around here is great for b
backpack1 [3d\]: g2 is cool
gogonuts [5d\]: w didnt get to play j2
WhiteRawr [5d\]: good move
]
;W[fr]WL[513.975]
;B[hq]BL[50.885]
;W[fq]WL[494.27]
;B[jq]BL[49.667]C[gogonuts [5d\]: fj is like a slave freed of his chains now :-)
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: k3 makes r3 work I think :P
]
;W[kq]WL[472.114]C[dyago [5k\]: and like most masters they're idiots
]
;B[kr]BL[47.07]C[Hendl [1d\]: fjango unchained
backpack1 [3d\]: k2>k3?
cjr [3d\]: but can't say it was a convincing win
cjr [3d\]: if it is one
Gigantom [3k\]: nice hendl :D
rs220675 [1d\]: agreed, cjr
wolokom [5k\]: j 2 
oliolioli [2k\]: looks fairly convincing to me
tantrika [4k\]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frd53vbCHLg Hendl !
]
;W[jr]WL[433.811]
;B[ir]BL[43.841]C[Mneme [2k\]: Rémi % ?
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: less than 50% for sure
gogonuts [5d\]: well he went down badly in the first, and this one seemed to follow the pattern, so a slightly dirty win is fine
poire [3d\]: GOGOnuts: yes, but it is lucky win for him. it seems that white CHOSE the losing seuence, rather than black FINDING a winning one
globax [3d\]: k1?
]
;W[iq]WL[394.995]C[oliolioli [2k\]: I only just tuned in so i missed that..
globax [3d\]: go under !
rs220675 [1d\]: done, fj wins
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: p5 good threat
gogonuts [5d\]: maybe r3?
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: cs is losing now.
wolokom [5k\]: ah ko  krimmi
dyago [5k\]: r3 now
]
;B[rc]BL[4.507]C[awesome [3k\]: why not just k1?
rs220675 [1d\]: k1 and cs can resign
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: dont like s17 as a threat
gogonuts [5d\]: or just that
gogonuts [5d\]: a 2nd ko or sente seki on the way
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: unless he plays out the whole sequence
fluidistic [5k\]: why ootaka?
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: because ko and seki comparable in size
]
;W[rb]WL[356.591]C[fluidistic [5k\]: ok
]
;B[jq]BL[40]OB[5]C[gogonuts [5d\]: so that corner has a ko now too
fluidistic [5k\]: thx
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: and the topright ko is bigger than this ko
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: not that it makes a difference, b has won
gogonuts [5d\]: but next threat better r3 than t18, imo
]
;W[bq]WL[317.768]C[rs220675 [1d\]: why didn't fj just play k1? isn't he leading convincingly now?
jinroo [2d?\]: play the ko is more severe and sharp way of play
WhiteRawr [5d\]: because humiliating a bot is much more stisfying
Leonidas [2k\]: fj knows we like to watch the bot struggle
]
;B[aq]BL[40]OB[5]C[jinroo [2d?\]: I think he likes to play like that
rs220675 [1d\]: :)
oliolioli [2k\]: life on the edge
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: you get addicted to the trashing part
Freund [3d?\]: he told us, to play a ko ;) 
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: and its really bad to like it, cause it hurts you own judgement in games vs humans
WhiteRawr [5d\]: ;-)
]
;W[iq]WL[279.393]C[gogonuts [5d\]: i dont like it - i trash my opponents with a sad heart :-)
]
;B[js]BL[40]OB[5]C[rs220675 [1d\]: what's cs % analysis now?
RobotZombi [1k\]: -100%
Muttley [2k\]: below 50%
rsun [5d\]: cs % doesn't matter now
]
;W[jq]WL[240.972]C[oliolioli [2k\]: can it resign it self?
rsun [5d\]: yes
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: ok, start topright ko now
]
;B[oo]BL[40]OB[5]C[rs220675 [1d\]: m2...and having a good time
Freund [3d?\]: how big is M2? 
pokale [2d?\]: lol
gogonuts [5d\]: m2 would make w defend the corner
JIeBuc [5d?\]: not rly
gogonuts [5d\]: so asking first at p5 is better
JIeBuc [5d?\]: not rly big
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: so, make w play p4
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: then start ko, and use r3 threats
oliolioli [2k\]: looks big, why do you say not big?
]
;W[bp]WL[202.607]C[Hendl [1d\]: r2 coming?
rs220675 [1d\]: black is too much ahead to worry about those things
gogonuts [5d\]: what is this?
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: this is.. gote?
WhiteRawr [5d\]: ;-)
gogonuts [5d\]: w resignation may be close
JIeBuc [5d?\]: its gote
pokale [2d?\]: pooooor bot
]
;B[op]BL[40]OB[5]C[Hellhuman [1d?\]: w + time
Morghulis [1d\]: wow
DerMeyer [1k\]: lol
rs220675 [1d\]: now even I could jump in to bring this game home :)
dyago [5k\]: b wont lose on time come on
]
;W[oq]WL[183.268]C[backpack1 [3d\]: over
]
;B[lr]BL[40]OB[5]C[henry1010 [1k\]: W a2 works?
Uniqo [1d\]: what about a2?
rs220675 [1d\]: cs will resign exactly 6pm^^
Hendl [1d\]: looks risky
]
;W[mq]WL[163.621]C[GoKlaus [1k?\]: than b5
gogonuts [5d\]: a2 b5
henry1010 [1k\]: c1
cjr [3d\]: Remi went into hiding in the chat after bot started doing worse? Bot authors emotional too... perhaps working on improvements for next game :)
]
;B[qq]BL[40]OB[5]C[henry1010 [1k\]: a2 b5 c1?
awesome [3k\]: all those w points on the bottom... where did they all go? 
lespeutere [6k\]: a4
gogonuts [5d\]: its not a double snapback
gogonuts [5d\]: b has extra lib
]
;W[pq]WL[144.164]
;B[rq]BL[40]OB[5]C[henry1010 [1k\]: oh i see
henry1010 [1k\]: thanks
awesome [3k\]: b4 trick move
WhiteRawr [5d\]: b4 bad move
globax [3d\]: bravo fj and thanks remi
WhiteRawr [5d\]: xD
]
;W[ar]WL[105.798]C[gogonuts [5d\]: here it comes
]
;B[bo]BL[40]OB[5]C[GoKlaus [1k?\]: the place to resign :)
Hellhuman [1d?\]: c1 
Hellhuman [1d?\]: ah kk
Gotag [1k\]: how strong is CS on a typical home computers? I5 and 8gb ram
]
;W[cs]WL[66.727]C[JIeBuc [5d?\]: who knows
]
;B[ap]BL[40]OB[5]C[Hellhuman [1d?\]: How Strong would cs be on an oneplus one? 
rsun [5d\]: @goingo, I sent you some message
oliolioli [2k\]: is he availible for install?
rs220675 [1d\]: about 1d i guess, gotag
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: on 9x9 board, cs is 4dan or something on a note 2
]
;W[hb]WL[27.801]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: on 19x19 its probably around 4kyu
JIeBuc [5d?\]: btw, i5 isnt rly typical. I still have core 2 duo and thats more than enough
]
;B[sb]BL[40]OB[5]C[gogonuts [5d\]: the finishing ko
]
;W[qp]WL[40]OW[5]
;B[sp]BL[40]OB[5]C[awesome [3k\]: cs got rid of the threats in lower left just in time
Gotag [1k\]: so not a 5d on home machine? pity
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: The problem is the connection at H10/G11
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: The playouts don't evaluate it 100% correctly.
]
;W[qr]WL[40]OW[5]
;B[rr]BL[40]OB[5]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: ouch :(
crestfalen [1k\]: b3 ?
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: hard to win, when you think you have extra 15 points or something that you donthave.
gogonuts [5d\]: to it keeps trying to cut there in its search?
]
;W[no]WL[40]OW[5]
;B[mr]BL[40]OB[5]C[FoH [-\]: b3 a7 a1 c8 
nhanh [3d\]: kill
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: No, it keeps making threats elsewhere to delay the problem to the playouts.
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: Im guessing, it doesnt try to cut there is search, but actually manages to cut there in playouts
DerMeyer [1k\]: overkill
gogonuts [5d\]: oh no
nhanh [3d\]: must m4 now
gogonuts [5d\]: horizon poisoned
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;W[pm]WL[40]OW[5]
;B[qm]BL[40]OB[5]C[awesome [3k\]: wait how did w get o5?
Muttley [2k\]: b3, just b4
awesome [3k\]: long ago 
]
;W[oj]WL[40]OW[5]C[gogonuts [5d\]: to me cs downfall started with b18
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: hmm, play super greedy and do o2 now
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: trying to kill tail!
gogonuts [5d\]: after that nothing went right
]
;B[pj]BL[40]OB[5]C[JIeBuc [5d?\]: o2 is wrong
backpack1 [3d\]: m4
JIeBuc [5d?\]: only m4 alive
backpack1 [3d\]: and over
miao [6d\]: o2 is ko
RobotZombi [1k\]: white R19 was also a disaster
]
;W[po]WL[40]OW[5]
;B[on]BL[40]OB[5]C[rs220675 [1d\]: yes, it set up the invasion for black
DasWiesel [9k\]: lol SE
wazi [3k\]: what did he say?
gogonuts [5d\]: i have yet to see a bot play this common 1000y ko correctly
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;W[nr]WL[40]OW[5]C[DasWiesel [9k\]: s+85 
JIeBuc [5d?\]: c6 l5 dead
awesome [3k\]: nooooo
]
;B[pr]BL[40]OB[5]C[DasWiesel [9k\]: b+85
fluidistic [5k\]: white reduced to ashes
DasWiesel [9k\]: impressive performance by fj
]
;W[oi]WL[40]OW[5]C[Ootakamoku [4d?\]: p1 gives ko
TheNewONe [-\]: m4
awesome [3k\]: would you have believed this in the midgame?
dyago [5k\]: more like a failure for a bot
rs220675 [1d\]: but still I think fj was lucky, he didn't win this one, but cs lost it
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;B[lp]BL[40]OB[5]C[CrazyStone [-\]: GTP Engine for CrazyStone (white): Crazy Stone version http://remi.coulom.free.fr/CrazyStone/
Muttley [2k\]: hmmm, its like two different bots were playing
rsun [5d\]: better safe than sorry!
FishJump [9k\]: k2 group dead?
wazi [3k\]: it's over
RobotZombi [1k\]: now it's dead, yes
dyago [5k\]: l1
rsun [5d\]: n13 anything?
gogonuts [5d\]: m4 shows that fj is still hurting from the last game
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: rsun, b could just trade
wazi [3k\]: :))
fluidistic [5k\]: gg
Ootakamoku [4d?\]: congratz on win
BreizhI [1k\]: gg
fj [6d\]: thx
awesome [3k\]: gg
rsun [5d\]: congratulations
GoRoGoRo [?\]: BRAAAAVOOOO!
gogonuts [5d\]: sehr gut
GoIngo [?\]: congrats to fj!
DasWiesel [9k\]: wo
Mneme [2k\]: congrats fj
DasWiesel [9k\]: wow
GoKlaus [1k?\]: gw!!
Amenophis [6k?\]: thx
Mneme [2k\]: it was epic
agony [5k\]: good job!
keiler [?\]: Gratulation FJ!
Zweistein [8k\]: gratz fj
kendama [3k\]: gratz
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: Thanks, congratulations.
FQ [6k\]: Großartig, super zurückgekommen, spannend, Gratulation FJ
JIeBuc [5d?\]: why gz?
Zenmid [6k\]: Nice game
gogonuts [5d\]: ab w b18 gings auffwärts
Amenophis [6k?\]: well done fj
Nilpferd [1k\]: congrats fj thx remi
Leonidas [2k\]: someone hacked CS and changed it to GnuGo mid-game
dxxd [1k\]: thanks, gg
rs220675 [1d\]: @fj: glückwunsch
fj [6d\]: well... I liked the start, but suddenly I lost confidence
Leonidas [2k\]: well played fj!
GoRoGoRo [?\]: @Ingo: Du bist da. Guck doch mal wegen rsun
wazi [3k\]: Leonidas: laugh quite hard =))
rs220675 [1d\]: why did u choose cross fuseki?
gogonuts [5d\]: i thought too that it would fun of you - letting you only get close
fj [6d\]: just managed to keep the game on my side, I felt
rsun [5d\]: cross fuseki prevents moyo
gogonuts [5d\]: i dont think that makes it easier though
rsun [5d\]: indeed
fj [6d\]: nothing os easy these days
DerMeyer [1k\]: boah!
gogonuts [5d\]: cs played very nicely including o17 maneuver
DerMeyer [1k\]: phylosophy
gogonuts [5d\]: but after that it snapped
DerMeyer [1k\]: i
rsun [5d\]: what's easy is cheesy
rs220675 [1d\]: now it's 1-1, be prepared for another sanrensei next week
lepore [1d\]: fj it seems w misplayed top right and then your advantage became obvious.  is that accurate?
fj [6d\]: I dont know
rsun [5d\]: I can't tell when the turning point happened
gogonuts [5d\]: paying such a high price for r19 sente was very bad, ture
fj [6d\]: my brain is just tofu now
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
GoRoGoRo [?\]: ^^
lepore [1d\]: lol
gogonuts [5d\]: you survived
rsun [5d\]: brain is actually like tofu, in fact
fj [6d\]: ^^
rs220675 [1d\]: do you wish you would have gotten 2h thinking time instead of 1h?
Leonidas [2k\]: rsun.. same taste?
gogonuts [5d\]: and you did very well when it came to punishing its mistakes
rsun [5d\]: I doubt
GoRoGoRo [?\]: Like Shakespeare put it once: to fu or not to fu that's the question
gogonuts [5d\]: looking forward to next week :-)
rsun [5d\]: still no response from goingo :(
fj [6d\]: yes
fj [6d\]: thanks for watching
GoIngo [?\]: @rsun: you can not explain certain things in samalltalk
GoRoGoRo [?\]: @Ingo: warum sagst Du nix?
GoRoGoRo [?\]: ah da issser ja
fj [6d\]: and thanks to codecentric of course 
GoKlaus [1k?\]: have a great game next Saturday
GoIngo [?\]: thx to fj and to remi for participating!
gogonuts [5d\]: yes, thanks to both
RemiCoulom [3k?\]: Thanks everybody.
blackh [10k\]: Great work, both of you!
rsun [5d\]: you can leave me a message on senseis
HTakagi: Thanks for a good game.
GoIngo [?\]: @rsun: forget it. It seems we are too different.
fj [6d\]: c u
GoIngo [?\]: cu
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