(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
PW[Zen19S]PB[Woods]BR[6d]DT[2015-10-10]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Zen19S [-\]: GTP Engine for Zen19S (white): Zen version 10.4d13
gghideki [2k?\]: gg
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[pd]BL[3561.176]
;W[dp]WL[3550.344]C[kmr [1d\]: huhuhu, JP rules, unexpected a bit
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;B[pq]BL[3534.73]
;W[dd]WL[3512.153]C[gogonuts [3d\]: its japanese rules on kgs
gogonuts [3d\]: not sure if its japanese rules for zen :-)
gogonuts [3d\]: could be a problem though
bert [?\]: the bot will not accept the end scoring?
]
;B[pk]BL[3456.622]C[gogonuts [3d\]: if it really is japanese rules, I blame them for zens endgame in the last one :-)
]
;W[mp]WL[3472.524]C[SiaTex [4k\]: what is going on?!
rocket [1k\]: who is black?
Ph1xi3 [-\]: Nah, Zen has tendency of trying for easy errors when being behiind.
Ph1xi3 [-\]: So it seems sloppy, while it is obvious for us humans, for Zen it is something to try... IF the opponent fails.
gghideki [2k?\]: Zen always use Japanese rules against professional players in Japan
Woods [6d\]: This is the second game of DACHS AI Challenge, in Hungary. Black is Rita Pocsai 5 dan.
]
;B[po]BL[3385.915]C[gogonuts [3d\]: ah, thx
gghideki [2k?\]: thanks
kalaryan [2k\]: who won first match
SiaTex [4k\]: why doest the bot play again?
gogonuts [3d\]: professional level so far :-)
SiaTex [4k\]: rita
gogonuts [3d\]: rita
]
;W[jp]WL[3436.215]C[pepper [3k\]: amateur 5d?
gghideki [2k?\]: interesting opening
bert [?\]: is that a shame?
rocket [1k\]: has zen an opening book?
gghideki [2k?\]: Zen playes 3 games in this event
gghideki [2k?\]: *plays
]
;B[jd]BL[3291.558]
;W[dj]WL[3386.315]C[gghideki [2k?\]: 4th line fever
rocket [1k\]: earlier times zen played j15 now :-)
SiaTex [4k\]: who wants to bet?
SiaTex [4k\]: btw whos white?
Architect [1d?\]: good timming for c3
Ph1xi3 [-\]: 5 rats from your backyard against 5 mice from same yard. You can keep em or you have to keep them. Fair bet?
ZONKS: f17 c14 q14 are my 3 guesses
]
;B[jj]BL[3094.842]C[gghideki [2k?\]: haha
ZONKS: meh
Chariot [1k\]: f16 would have been more consistent then f17
atiyah [1d\]: is it possible for the general public to play against zen?
SiaTex [4k\]: @Ph1xi3 but i dont have backyard
eleven21: b is going to moyo vs moyo
]
;W[qf]WL[3339.897]C[Architect [1d?\]: deep
SiaTex [4k\]: #MoyoOfDesperation
gogonuts [3d\]: normal
eleven21: not deep
gogonuts [3d\]: tengen fine though
Ph1xi3 [-\]: Sadness... Then the bet is off... for unforeseen disappearance of land around the house.
gogonuts [3d\]: since bots love influence it makes sense to compete for it
]
;B[qe]BL[3042.915]C[toyo629 [6d\]: is this an event?
Ph1xi3 [-\]: Yes
toyo629 [6d\]: thx
SiaTex [4k\]: but i want a bet QQ
gghideki [2k?\]: Dachs Go Challenge
gghideki [2k?\]: in Hungary
]
;W[pf]WL[3303.157]C[gogonuts [3d\]: on the other had, if you really want to profit from the bots love of moyo, you have to sell it to them at a too high price :-)
]
;B[nd]BL[3030.574]C[Golao [3k\]: :)
pepper [3k\]: which one is the bot?  w?
SiaTex [4k\]: lol
Golao [3k\]: agree
SiaTex [4k\]: ye
gghideki [2k?\]: yes, white
SiaTex [4k\]: bad joseki for black?
]
;W[qi]WL[3265.727]C[Architect [1d?\]: no
gogonuts [3d\]: all fine
pepper [3k\]: looks good for both.  chance for w to get heavy here
gogonuts [3d\]: difficult for both
Architect [1d?\]: b just profiting while attacks
eleven21: i guess b's plan is to fight inside her moyo
SiaTex [4k\]: i have been tought that you do this joseki if white has no eye shape arround
]
;B[rj]BL[2992.85]C[gogonuts [3d\]: b absolutely had to stop w from digging in at s9
Architect [1d?\]: the point should never be to kill
Golao [3k\]: but isn't it the opposite ? I mean, bots just adapt to your playstyle ?
Architect [1d?\]: it should be profit
]
;W[oi]WL[3220.887]C[gogonuts [3d\]: zen doesnt like moving groups like this
gogonuts [3d\]: look for a sacrifice :-)
SiaTex [4k\]: lol
Golao [3k\]: I mean if you build a central moyo, bots will just play corners and sides, no ?
]
;B[nk]BL[2946.714]C[rocket [1k\]: bot will go for j9 soon :-)
gogonuts [3d\]: thats right golao, if you totally destroy its center dream you overdid it :-)
SiaTex [4k\]: lol
Golao [3k\]: :D
SiaTex [4k\]: how could u be so heartless? taking bot's dream
Firestorm [2d?\]: d6 more zen than j9
]
;W[mf]WL[3166.94]C[Golao [3k\]: love this expression
Golao [3k\]: breaking bot's feelings and heart 
pepper [3k\]: hope b goes elsewhere now
power [1k\]: I'd take w
SiaTex [4k\]: i hate those kind of games
Firestorm [2d?\]: b will m16?
SiaTex [4k\]: i never know what to do
]
;B[ld]BL[2841.995]C[Firestorm [2d?\]: m16 is "show me"
gogonuts [3d\]: zen actually taking care of a weak group - must be a new version :-)
kmr [1d\]: in such a moyo battles my positional judgement is like 6k, so for now i feel like position is inclear.But for sure bot would like to play moyo vs points not moyo vs moyo.So good for black i think.
power [1k\]: "slow me"
rocket [1k\]: game looks like a japanese pro one in the ninetees
SiaTex [4k\]: lol @gogonuts
]
;W[oe]WL[3111.851]
;B[od]BL[2821.643]C[SiaTex [4k\]: this peep is bad i think
gogonuts [3d\]: advantage black
Architect [1d?\]: i said to a friend of mine that center moyos are easy to reduce, he said: play against zen and repeat this statement
gogonuts [3d\]: this w group is pretty clumsy
]
;W[gc]WL[3058.459]C[SiaTex [4k\]: cant white just expend his eyeshape rather than helping black to gain a lot from this weak group?
gogonuts [3d\]: lol, architect
Firestorm [2d?\]: you can attack it but you can't kill it I bet
SiaTex [4k\]: nice move by zen!
gogonuts [3d\]: its really awesome how bots pile on the pressure, just at the moment when you think "it's time to reduce"
H16 [3d\]: Ye, CPU knows shimari
]
;B[fq]BL[2766.043]C[gogonuts [3d\]: f3 or c6 was a tricky choice
]
;W[eq]WL[3019.246]C[pepper [3k\]: f3 harder for b than r14 was for w
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;B[fp]BL[2753.67]C[gogonuts [3d\]: not true
akbnm: j3?
Firestorm [2d?\]: k4 can end up weak this way
akbnm: sorry h3
]
;W[dn]WL[2982.683]
;B[hp]BL[2737.511]C[eleven21: looks nice for b
SiaTex [4k\]: i like zen here
akbnm: after e3 h3 is goseigen joseki
Firestorm [2d?\]: b's better because b has stuff to attack
gogonuts [3d\]: i still prefer b
]
;W[iq]WL[2944.662]C[Architect [1d?\]: i dint like h4
Firestorm [2d?\]: w's play doesn't feel direction
Architect [1d?\]: i would repeat zens variation
gogonuts [3d\]: h4 was ok
]
;B[gm]BL[2715.883]C[SiaTex [4k\]: the corner at the top is ugly
SiaTex [4k\]: look how many moves he spent on it
K5 [5k?\]: why? r17 hole?
SiaTex [4k\]: and it is still not 100% his
akbnm: I like b
K5 [5k?\]: I tend to like B here
gogonuts [3d\]: upper right is actually blacks pride
Woods [6d\]: So far only p15 what I dont like here
]
;W[op]WL[2902.463]C[akbnm: left w empty
gogonuts [3d\]: with p16 r17 is gone
SiaTex [4k\]: s17 ?
gogonuts [3d\]: classic bot
]
;B[pp]BL[2696.034]C[gogonuts [3d\]: w p3 next
K5 [5k?\]: Then how should B use sente? C17?
Architect [1d?\]: r2 instead q4
Woods [6d\]: I take it back
Woods [6d\]: This peep also feels bad
]
;W[io]WL[2852.963]C[SiaTex [4k\]: bots like to peep
SiaTex [4k\]: i guess
power [1k\]: yeah  p4 can't be good
gogonuts [3d\]: in that corner shape the also love the block at p3
SiaTex [4k\]: they play fast or is it just me?
gogonuts [3d\]: but i was wrong
pepper [3k\]: can b tenuki here?
]
;B[hq]BL[2618.387]C[gogonuts [3d\]: w g6 looks sharp
SiaTex [4k\]: i dont think tenuki will be great idea
SiaTex [4k\]: he dont want to give white free sente moves
gogonuts [3d\]: h3 indirectly dulls the attack
Firestorm [2d?\]: w can just d8 and leave b alone
gogonuts [3d\]: b has g2 any time now
]
;W[im]WL[2805.948]C[gogonuts [3d\]: so getting cut is much less of a threat
SiaTex [4k\]: how strong white is?
Firestorm [2d?\]: 5-6d kgs
power [1k\]: 6d
K5 [5k?\]: Is C16 better than C17?
SiaTex [4k\]: and this is the last game between him and rita?
power [1k\]: c14 even better
gogonuts [3d\]: k5, we will have to wait for that decision
]
;B[er]BL[2502.496]C[gogonuts [3d\]: depends on what the boar dlooks like if and when b takes sente
Ootakamoku [-\]: e2m expensive exchange
Architect [1d?\]: c16 feels like a probe, wich isnt necessary here, since the plans are pretty obvious
gogonuts [3d\]: yes, e2 not good
pepper [3k\]: b just gave up sente
]
;W[dr]WL[2767.369]C[gogonuts [3d\]: e2 for d2 only hurts
power [1k\]: why e2 not good?
]
;B[gr]BL[2484.458]C[eleven21: i guess w plays well here
K5 [5k?\]: now G2 and C3 later?
gogonuts [3d\]: if you want to play here, only play g2
gogonuts [3d\]: but digging in was too early imo
power [1k\]: ok
]
;W[ik]WL[2714.527]C[gogonuts [3d\]: w now has air superiority
power [1k\]: g2 first looks slow for me
gogonuts [3d\]: that should not have happened
gogonuts [3d\]: its too slow either way
Ootakamoku [-\]: against a human I would like to play in bottom left soon, before h4 is too weak, but against bot I would be scared of left side potential
K5 [5k?\]: G2 works quite well with white's 3rd line weakness nearby
]
;B[cd]BL[2391.251]C[gogonuts [3d\]: oota, have you been diagnosed with bot paranoia? :-)
Ph1xi3 [-\]: Well there is I'd say nothing to even remotely gain from B center play. In my eyes it is large area of dames to play of. But driven through it by W is points, so local survival is logical choice.
]
;W[ce]WL[2675.541]C[kmr [1d\]: Gogo i agree with Oota.Probably i have bot paranoia too ^^
gogonuts [3d\]: so do i :-)
Ph1xi3 [-\]: Also W bottom is very floaty.... so local life is preferable.
kmr [1d\]: Good to be not alone :D
Badduck [5d?\]: i dont like g2 much looks so slow
]
;B[be]BL[2344.091]C[gogonuts [3d\]: so many time the've taken advantage of me with crude forcing sequences that i was told never should be played
Architect [1d?\]: i dont like c26, left side seems more important than corner
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;W[cc]WL[2638.05]C[eleven21: at bottom side somehow b forgot to attack w
]
;B[bd]BL[2311.118]C[Ph1xi3 [-\]: B took safe route to not lose more on pointless attack.
]
;W[de]WL[2599.681]C[actgg [7d?\]: w's style is a bit slow
]
;B[bc]BL[2262.438]C[eleven21: i guess attacking was safe way and profitable in the bottom situation
Ph1xi3 [-\]: Having weak group to begin there... no.
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;W[cb]WL[2561.777]C[eleven21: but i don't say i could do it ;)
gogonuts [3d\]: w was a little poor in the upper right, but now ok again, imo
]
;B[cg]BL[2231.172]C[eleven21: don't forget w was weak too
gogonuts [3d\]: without p15 and p4 w would be better now :-)
]
;W[bh]WL[2522.871]C[gogonuts [3d\]: ouch
mefrini [7k\]: p4 bad move?
gogonuts [3d\]: nasty bot method
gogonuts [3d\]: yes
gogonuts [3d\]: because without p4 you still hafe options at p3 or r3
]
;B[bg]BL[2180.133]C[gogonuts [3d\]: no safe eyes ...
]
;W[ch]WL[2484.902]C[gogonuts [3d\]: this could get nasty
Grunman [7k\]: won't b c3 c8 c5?
gogonuts [3d\]: your nick should be gunman
Grunman [7k\]: )))
Grunman [7k\]: or he thinks w is weak enought to let him do it later
Ootakamoku [-\]: grunman, there is enough aji bottom left for black to make something there, problem is white will grow alot of thicker if b does that, both h4 group will be in danger as well as c13, and maybe poteitnal araound f10 area will grow too, so timing is difficult
K5 [5k?\]: I like B, both have 4th line stones, but w territories are still flaky at this point
gogonuts [3d\]: what did b do to deserve this?
K5 [5k?\]: C16 instead of simpler C17
gogonuts [3d\]: point taken
Woods [6d\]: This is the second game of DACHS AI Challenge, in Hungary. Black is Rita Pocsai 5 dan.
gogonuts [3d\]: but c16 seemed reasonable to me
]
;B[bb]BL[1961.982]C[kmr [1d\]: hi Hutoshi! ^^
]
;W[dg]WL[2447.075]C[bert [?\]: i agree, d17 should have enough aji for b 
gogonuts [3d\]: hm
gogonuts [3d\]: granting d13 is a little depressing
K5 [5k?\]: A13?
Meto [1d\]: tenuki
Ootakamoku [-\]: a13 looks good
Ootakamoku [-\]: tenuki would let w capture b13 stones in sente
bert [?\]: c19 is safe and pretty senteish, d12 looks playable
gogonuts [3d\]: whatever the move, b cant tenuki, thats a pain
jasch [1d\]: why not just d18 d17 c19 ?
jasch [1d\]: then tenuki
Ootakamoku [-\]: jasch, you sure that is the way you want to use the aji?
gogonuts [3d\]: preferable to take d13 at the risk of w stealibng b18
Ph1xi3 [-\]: Tenuki after invade is very succesful sabaki.
Ootakamoku [-\]: why not just play c19 and leave option to play d17 cut later
jasch [1d\]: hm maybe 
actgg [7d?\]: c19 now, of course
Ootakamoku [-\]: but I like a13 more than c19, because left side more interesting
gogonuts [3d\]: ph1, you mean create the option of liveng, then tenuki?
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;B[ag]BL[1721.64]C[gogonuts [3d\]: good move, but painful trade for w d13
Ph1xi3 [-\]: No, to be able to live even after tenuki means your moves been so efficient you had a free one due to your shape.
]
;W[mj]WL[2403.334]C[gogonuts [3d\]: but that was not the case here
]
;B[mk]BL[1689.178]C[gogonuts [3d\]: w is playing capture the flag with bs tengen
bert [?\]: oh noh, not the flag...
]
;W[lk]WL[2359.226]C[theolddan [2d\]: popular algorithm
djhbrown [?\]: computer Go to come http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ezz_lhYvTW4&list=PL4y5WtsvtduqNW0AKlSsOdea3Hl1X_v-S&index=25
Ph1xi3 [-\]: No, but the kibitz was hoovering on tenuki, so gave light on why it is improbable. Not meant to anyone specific.
bert [?\]: this looks a bit unreasonable, no?
gogonuts [3d\]: the hane?
gogonuts [3d\]: looks fine to me
bert [?\]: yes
]
;B[fn]BL[1578.902]C[nops [1d\]: b lost the center
K5 [5k?\]: After F6, white left looks vulnerable
gogonuts [3d\]: just think back to the glorious k10 times
]
;W[ig]WL[2306.623]C[gogonuts [3d\]: now b is digging in everywhere
nops [1d\]: w straight forward
nops [1d\]: he knows what he wants
Ph1xi3 [-\]: Shovel - Check
bert [?\]: hah hah, zen still obsessing with center moyo
Ph1xi3 [-\]: Gloves - Check
Ph1xi3 [-\]: Soft ground - Check
gogonuts [3d\]: thid vague kind of overall thickness may be overrated by bots
gogonuts [3d\]: but underrated by humans
theolddan [2d\]: may be
nops [1d\]: zen has been a while without playing, was he being updated?
akbnm: bot play harf-end well
akbnm: potential is limited
]
;B[gk]BL[1418.536]C[akbnm: can operation well
]
;W[ke]WL[2252.398]C[bert [?\]: i want b to hurt bots feelings
]
;B[ic]BL[1395.433]C[gogonuts [3d\]: b let it come too far imo
gogonuts [3d\]: now its like walking through molasses
SiaTex [4k\]: this game has become boring
Ootakamoku [-\]: wonder if zen feels confident about this position, against humans I would obvc still prefer black
]
;W[on]WL[2200.935]C[Ph1xi3 [-\]: W is instantly behind if B plays bottom even slightest. Center is W only real chance to get equal.
gogonuts [3d\]: i have aquired enough bot paranoia to take w here myself :-)
]
;B[pn]BL[1365.382]C[gogonuts [3d\]: now p3
K5 [5k?\]: B position is so thick
Ootakamoku [-\]: not p2?
theolddan [2d\]: anything available on upper b side?
bert [?\]: is an aquired taste
gogonuts [3d\]: true
bert [?\]: its*
rocket [1k\]: b has about 65 points, w needs many gote moves to catch up, this is not bot like
theolddan [2d\]: r17 n17 and l17 sente
theolddan [2d\]: that makes one motiv to think about
gogonuts [3d\]: please dont call the men in white
]
;W[ol]WL[2147.775]C[gogonuts [3d\]: that peep looks especially counter-productive :-)
gogonuts [3d\]: wait
theolddan [2d\]: zen will not explain what he does does he?
gogonuts [3d\]: actually aiming at r7
gogonuts [3d\]: scandalous
theolddan [2d\]: he has a comment mode maybe
AcidBee [3d\]: p9 r8 ?
Ph1xi3 [-\]: Seems mutual damage instead of gains... B is not going to like any trades here...
Badduck [5d?\]: +r9  ?
AcidBee [3d\]: q7 
gogonuts [3d\]: p8 is such a poor looking move, and then you realize it means trouble
Ootakamoku [-\]: o7
]
;B[ok]BL[1216.108]C[gogonuts [3d\]: zen better play r7 now, or else :-)
bert [?\]: lets see what bot meant by p8
]
;W[fl]WL[2100.239]C[SiaTex [4k\]: this position is weird for white, isnt it?
dm6ze [1k\]: or else what?
gogonuts [3d\]: r7 q7 q8 r8 r9 s8 r10 looks dangerous to me
gogonuts [3d\]: just kidding
gogonuts [3d\]: i mean withthe or else
gogonuts [3d\]: i do mean it looks dangerous
rocket [1k\]: q10
zen [1d\]: is this the second game?
gogonuts [3d\]: zen is playing like peeping was 3 bonus points
]
;B[gl]BL[1137.963]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: r7 doesnt work, b has geta at n7? as in r7 q7 q8 r8 r9 s8 r10 p7 o8 n7? 
maproomad [-\]: This is the second game.  Woods won the first
gogonuts [3d\]: yes
K5 [5k?\]: White maybe on tilt
bert [?\]: p7 after your sequence, gogo
zen [1d\]: woods isn't the one playing
gogonuts [3d\]: good grief
gogonuts [3d\]: sry about that
]
;W[hj]WL[2049.919]C[maproomad [-\]: the flag is in danger
gogonuts [3d\]: I'm fighting the flu - even worse reading than usual
bert [?\]: but w gets a little gain in sente that way
zen [1d\]: b is rita pocsai, assuming it's the same player as the first game
gogonuts [3d\]: still, because of future chances p8 not tooo terrible
gogonuts [3d\]: m8 maybe?
jasch [1d\]: what if w does r7 q7 q8 r8 r9 s8 r10 ?
gogonuts [3d\]: what to attack - the center fluff or the bottom left?
jasch [1d\]: oh wait
]
;B[ll]BL[965.586]C[jasch [1d\]: sry already answered
gogonuts [3d\]: i already stepped in that jasch
rocket [1k\]: tengen castle is falling
gogonuts [3d\]: captured with p7
]
;W[kl]WL[2011.812]C[gogonuts [3d\]: m8 is a very reasonable place anyways 
jasch [1d\]: now its even less possible
gogonuts [3d\]: nobi?
bert [?\]: o10 
mefrini [7k\]: looks like bot is winning
rocket [1k\]: o11
gogonuts [3d\]: hard to tell
gogonuts [3d\]: a lot of w fluff
djhbrown [?\]: left side
GOLGOTIC [7k\]: Bot is not winning 
GOLGOTIC [7k\]: Open 
gogonuts [3d\]: m7 worth the trouble, imo
Woods [6d\]: This is the second game of DACHS AI Challenge, in Hungary. Black is Rita Pocsai 5 dan
rocket [1k\]: i cry for the lonely tengen stone
pipikana: the more games they play, chances will favor bot
]
;B[km]BL[738.814]C[pipikana: it doesnt get tired
gogonuts [3d\]: hm
Ootakamoku [-\]: pipikana, maybe the opposite, humans learn to play against bots
gogonuts [3d\]: i dont get that
Ootakamoku [-\]: bot just keeps playing the same
gogonuts [3d\]: helps w play L9
]
;W[kk]WL[1962.125]C[pipikana: i think that is the way with simpler bots, but bots dont make same reading mistakes as humen
gogonuts [3d\]: L7 was a serious problem, imo
djhbrown [?\]: aiming at l3 maybe
Ootakamoku [-\]: first need some kind of cut, and dont see that happening
pipikana: and you learn fast how zen plays.. im sure black knew it before
K5 [5k?\]: humans better at learning than most bots I ever heard of
gogonuts [3d\]: she must have a plan
gogonuts [3d\]: but hard to justify, imo
]
;B[mr]BL[672.305]C[gogonuts [3d\]: better just n2
gogonuts [3d\]: if she wanted that point
]
;W[lm]WL[1924.012]C[gogonuts [3d\]: b has to watch out that r7 doesnt become playable
Ootakamoku [-\]: right now it works if b tenukies
]
;B[cl]BL[514.473]C[gogonuts [3d\]: time bomb
gogonuts [3d\]: c8 is a bomb too though
gogonuts [3d\]: we will see
]
;W[dl]WL[1886.647]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: bots do well in this type of multiple separate fights
Ootakamoku [-\]: I think they are pretty good at judging yose value of each fight, as long as the fights dont intertwine
gogonuts [3d\]: thats the advantage of not planing :-)
K5 [5k?\]: Are you sure r7 works?
bert [?\]: it doesnt, yet
gogonuts [3d\]: bert is right
Ootakamoku [-\]: bert, huh? how to prevent it, p7 no longer works
gogonuts [3d\]: oota had to read 2 more moves
Ootakamoku [-\]: oh, right
Ootakamoku [-\]: my bad, nice ladder
K5 [5k?\]: but ko interetwines them
bert [?\]: c8 is a bigger problem, i fear
bert [?\]: d12 now?
djhbrown [?\]: c3, c5, or something else?
Ootakamoku [-\]: c3 doesnt work too well tho, b outside too weak for it
]
;B[dm]BL[260.476]C[g6g6 [4k?\]: how about r9?
]
;W[em]WL[1848.571]
;B[cm]BL[251.023]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: atleast in my mind, the sequence e1 j2 f2 k2 is whites preogrative
]
;W[cn]WL[1810.417]
;B[bn]BL[211.168]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: prerogative*
]
;W[bo]WL[1771.972]
;B[bj]BL[183.562]C[gogonuts [3d\]: b playing with fire
]
;W[en]WL[1722.419]C[mefrini [7k\]: go bot !
gogonuts [3d\]: you don't cheer the bot in polite company
Cetoo [3k\]: was that invasion supposed to work?
gogonuts [3d\]: it did
gogonuts [3d\]: b can connect
Slimer [3k\]: W+time
Cetoo [3k\]: obviously, but couldn't w have avoided it?
]
;B[ah]BL[39.65]C[Ph1xi3 [-\]: B bottom will die for that...
gogonuts [3d\]: my feeling is that e6 was wise
]
;W[es]WL[1682.813]C[djhbrown [?\]: r17 still open
Slimer [3k\]: how do you kill black? f1 and j2 are miai for the second eye
K5 [5k?\]: I thinkB bottom should be OK
bert [?\]: j2 
mefrini [7k\]: kill her
gogonuts [3d\]: becno its gone, because of p15/p16 exchange
K5 [5k?\]: F1 ko at worst
]
;B[fs]BL[60]OB[5]C[gogonuts [3d\]: that ko feels like too much
gogonuts [3d\]: i know bots dont like kos
gogonuts [3d\]: but this ko looks very positive for the bot
]
;W[kd]WL[1639.561]
;B[kc]BL[60]OB[5]C[Slimer [3k\]: even if w wins the ko, the group still lives
dm6ze [1k\]: bot play: ko threats first
gogonuts [3d\]: will that ever stop?
Slimer [3k\]: so does it really matter?
bert [?\]: sure
gogonuts [3d\]: i wonder what strange loops make bots play the threats before the ko
]
;W[cf]WL[1589.811]
;B[bf]BL[60]OB[5]C[dm6ze [1k\]: lol
Shigami [2k?\]: what is the dan from  zen19?
Slimer [3k\]: maybe this bot realizes black will live regardless of the ko
djhbrown [?\]: i dont think l16 was ia ko threat, more like a prep forn17...r17 perhaps
]
;W[om]WL[1551.279]C[bert [?\]: this makes hidekis ears go red
gogonuts [3d\]: oh thats the worst weve seen
]
;B[qk]BL[60]OB[5]C[Slimer [3k\]: Shigami, in it's description it says 6d
]
;W[go]WL[1508.313]C[jasch [1d\]: which seems to be not true for this game
gogonuts [3d\]: p7 is an arigato gozaimashita move
]
;B[fo]BL[60]OB[5]C[Shigami [2k?\]: thx
Slimer [3k\]: W aiming for g6 f7 g4 !
Slimer [3k\]: fo sho
]
;W[gn]WL[1461.424]C[Slimer [3k\]: my level is bot 7d
]
;B[ds]BL[60]OB[5]C[Slimer [3k\]: clearly
dm6ze [1k\]: d1?
jasch [1d\]: b already alive
Slimer [3k\]: yes, but he's threatening the corner
djhbrown [?\]: f7 not small
]
;W[cr]WL[1411.912]C[eleven21: d1 was sente
jasch [1d\]: w's attack failed i think
Slimer [3k\]: but B figured D1 sente
]
;B[ir]BL[60]OB[5]C[jasch [1d\]: ? why
bert [?\]: that made her play f1 in the first place
djhbrown [?\]: to live
]
;W[jr]WL[1373.136]C[Slimer [3k\]: B is like "look at all these ponnukis"
Slimer [3k\]: "my beautiful ponnukis"
]
;B[fm]BL[60]OB[5]C[jasch [1d\]: hm i thought b is alive before that. But a ko would have been the price 
Slimer [3k\]: yes, b was alive even before
Slimer [3k\]: there was no ko
jasch [1d\]: but i dont get k2
jasch [1d\]: f7 was much bigger
dm6ze [1k\]: g4?
]
;W[ie]WL[1323.552]C[mefrini [7k\]: bot is broken
dm6ze [1k\]: why not w g4
]
;B[ne]BL[60]OB[5]C[rs220675 [1d\]: w is leading comfortably and just gives some points back to b
Woods [6d\]: This is the second game of DACHS AI Challenge, in Hungary. Black is Rita Pocsai 5 dan.
zen [1d\]: g4 k1
]
;W[gp]WL[1285.529]C[chw [?\]: still ko, but b has to much threats
rs220675 [1d\]: who won the first one?
]
;B[js]BL[60]OB[5]C[maproomad [-\]: she did
]
;W[ks]WL[1234.026]
;B[is]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[ck]WL[1195.808]
;B[bk]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[re]WL[1158.195]
;B[rd]BL[60]OB[5]C[mefrini [7k\]: h1 ?
dm6ze [1k\]: h1 useless
]
;W[pl]WL[1112.068]C[tuerda [1d\]: W can't do anything to the lower grup without fixing the L2 cut, so b is alive
djhbrown [?\]: if w h1, b can l2 and connect
]
;B[ql]BL[60]OB[5]C[tuerda [1d\]: h1 h2 g3 l2 and b is safe
]
;W[lr]WL[1065.948]C[mefrini [7k\]: ok thx
]
;B[kq]BL[60]OB[5]C[blackstorm: was that exchange intended ?
tuerda [1d\]: the development of this game has been quite interesting. B started out with an influence flavored center facing fuseki, but actually it is w who ended up building something in the center
]
;W[kr]WL[1015.358]
;B[jq]BL[60]OB[5]C[vennink [2d\]: W should have h1 first
]
;W[lq]WL[977.849]
;B[ip]BL[60]OB[5]C[agony [5k\]: seems that in 90% of bot games, the bot gets the big chiuk of the center sooner or later.
gogonuts [3d\]: w missed h1 atari in time
]
;W[kp]WL[939.349]C[blackstorm: white has bad aji on top left 
zen [1d\]: lives in sente, good for b 
]
;B[nf]BL[60]OB[5]C[gogonuts [3d\]: missing h1 was a huge blunder
]
;W[ng]WL[901.562]C[agony [5k\]: could you explain why?  
bert [?\]: mybe the bot was a little nervous
mefrini [7k\]: h1 after l3
]
;B[rf]BL[60]OB[5]C[gogonuts [3d\]: because if h1 for h2 in time, w would now threaten g3
zen [1d\]: if h1 h2 had been exchanged then b would live in gote instead of in sente
blackstorm: yeah
mefrini [7k\]: broken bot(
]
;W[rg]WL[851.626]C[tuerda [1d\]: impressively strong bot
]
;B[le]BL[60]OB[5]C[tuerda [1d\]: 10 years ago I would have told you that this was impossible
]
;W[nr]WL[801.327]C[Warfreak2 [-\]: 10 years ago i'd have told you it was inevitable
djhbrown [?\]: checkout what se thinks :)
]
;B[or]BL[60]OB[5]C[nops [1d\]: w+
Ph1xi3 [-\]: 10 years ago I knew they would get here, how was thout not that clear by then.
Warfreak2 [-\]: but then again 10 years ago i'd have been an idiot teenager who didn't play go
blackstorm: isnt p2 a little small?
gogonuts [3d\]: lol, freak
]
;W[cs]WL[762.414]C[maproomad [-\]: This morning's game looked like a clear win for Zen at this point, but Rita won it
Warfreak2 [-\]: nowadays i'm an idiot adult who doesn't play go
gogonuts [3d\]: but you atleast watch go
]
;B[es]BL[60]OB[5]C[Warfreak2 [-\]: i read the chat
blackstorm: zen could have won but he didnt see the aji lower left corner 
bert [?\]: now now then
mefrini [7k\]: g3 
djhbrown [?\]: g3 and h1 miai
blackstorm: zen could play b 3 and he would have won 
mefrini [7k\]: arghh
blackstorm: last game
]
;W[kf]WL[714.078]C[rs220675 [1d\]: can b still win this game? IMO it's resignation time...
]
;B[se]BL[60]OB[5]C[mefrini [7k\]: all about lost h1 move in time
]
;W[hc]WL[676.912]
;B[dh]BL[60]OB[5]C[blackstorm: finally the cut
]
;W[eh]WL[638.524]C[tuerda [1d\]: really rs220675? It is very hard to estimate the score in this kind of position, but it does not seem lto me like b is losing
blackstorm: can someone give me his opinion on p2 was it necessary was it that big ??
djhbrown [?\]: b is 5d
Warfreak2 [-\]: what do you mean hard to estimate the score
Warfreak2 [-\]: it's yose
eleven21: perhaps w give away c12 
]
;B[og]BL[60]OB[5]C[tuerda [1d\]: big undefined center area
tuerda [1d\]: for me at least
tuerda [1d\]: is very hard to count
bitzi [-\]: it looks very defined
]
;W[of]WL[600.199]C[tuerda [1d\]: I mean no really clear edges
Warfreak2 [-\]: that's what "yose" means, tightening those loose ends
tuerda [1d\]: Oh I agree
Warfreak2 [-\]: there is no fight
tuerda [1d\]: I did not claim that it was not yose
tuerda [1d\]: just that I found it difficult to count this kind of position
]
;B[mg]BL[60]OB[5]C[Warfreak2 [-\]: counting and estimating tho
djhbrown [?\]: so if you know big W, tell us the score
tuerda [1d\]: If you do not find it difficult then congratulations for being better at counting than I am
Warfreak2 [-\]: you said estimate, not count
]
;W[nh]WL[562.352]C[Warfreak2 [-\]: to estimate all you need to do is say "suppose the boundary is about there"
tuerda [1d\]: well, similar. I have a hard time getting a good estimate because I am not confident in my assessment of the location of the boundary
eleven21: you need to think what are best yoses as possible when you count.
Warfreak2 [-\]: there aren't really that many parts where it's unclear
tuerda [1d\]: I could easily be off by quite a few points
K5 [5k?\]: N7 looks big
Warfreak2 [-\]: b can get m14 and probably as far as f11
leachy [2k\]: no need to count the score, just concentrate on making the biggest moves
K5 [5k?\]: ^8
Warfreak2 [-\]: rest of the centre is sealed
testestest [1k\]: n7 n8 
gogonuts [3d\]: for freak the uncertainties add up, for tuerda they multiply
]
;B[lf]BL[60]OB[4]C[Warfreak2 [-\]: no, they're subadditive
gogonuts [3d\]: lol
gogonuts [3d\]: mistakes even out
Warfreak2 [-\]: exactly
K5 [5k?\]: sizes are not scalars
]
;W[lg]WL[524.413]C[leachy [2k\]: they don't have an independence normally until the very last parts
Warfreak2 [-\]: yes, white is winning by 10 points northeast
Warfreak2 [-\]: but black is winning by 4 points west
Warfreak2 [-\]: they don't need to have independence
tuerda [1d\]: anyways, I reiterate my claim that I am not convinced that b is losing
Warfreak2 [-\]: standard deviations are always subadditive except for perfectly correlated things
]
;B[hb]BL[60]OB[4]C[K5 [5k?\]: N8 threatens M6
leachy [2k\]: oh i didn't realize it was a statistical approach
gogonuts [3d\]: freak, do they ever call you a perfectionist?
]
;W[id]WL[480.323]C[Warfreak2 [-\]: some people call me a perfectionist but they must have very low standards for perfection
Warfreak2 [-\]: i take it as a naive compliment
alfred: define perfectly correlated
Ph1xi3 [-\]: It does not need to be perfect to be perfectionist
]
;B[ib]BL[60]OB[4]C[tuerda [1d\]: correlation coefficient=1
leachy [2k\]: b e18 threatened
tuerda [1d\]: is what "perfectly correlated" means
djhbrown [?\]: isomorphism
gogonuts [3d\]: i see you do not suffer fools gladly
tuerda [1d\]: sometimes people use it for a coefficient of -1 as well
]
;W[ml]WL[427.369]C[Warfreak2 [-\]: either way, i only stated the implication one way, i didn't say that perfectly correlated things never have subadditive standard deviation
tuerda [1d\]: so how does w reply if b takes D11?
leachy [2k\]: n12 also big
]
;B[nq]BL[60]OB[4]C[tuerda [1d\]: N12 w can squeeze and b will end up either connecting at N14 in gote or gaining no points over doing nothing at all
K5 [5k?\]: N12 kinda goaty
Warfreak2 [-\]: n12 m12 n15 is gote for b
]
;W[bi]WL[389.664]
;B[ai]BL[60]OB[4]C[nuhmi: wy n15?
leachy [2k\]: because you can't n11
Warfreak2 [-\]: you can but it's worse
]
;W[di]WL[351.385]C[Warfreak2 [-\]: if you n11 then you're committed to connecting if w ataris
Warfreak2 [-\]: if you only go to n12 then you can ignore w atari on 2 stones
dm6ze [1k\]: c10 sente
]
;B[gj]BL[60]OB[4]C[dm6ze [1k\]: against c8
Warfreak2 [-\]: which means w atari is gote, so getting o11 atari is your sente also
]
;W[gi]WL[313.461]C[ofbusy [-\]: b7 obviously big
nuhmi: black h11.?
]
;B[mh]BL[60]OB[4]C[nuhmi: can someone tell me how usefull was k10?
dm6ze [1k\]: o5?
ofbusy [-\]: b7 more or less 10 points
nuhmi: it looks to me that black didnt use this stone
snowmen [2d\]: Zen winning big
tuerda [1d\]: b7 qite large
K5 [5k?\]: Provided a central point for a lot of our mid game kibitz
]
;W[lh]WL[275.53]
;B[mi]BL[60]OB[4]C[djhbrown [?\]: k10 got w to busy itself around it, giving b time to later invade left
snowmen [2d\]: Zen, the FJ-killer
]
;W[li]WL[237.075]C[testestest [1k\]: cant see how b7 is 10 points
leachy [2k\]: i had thought n12 m12 n15 gave good follow ups like n11 was best
tuerda [1d\]: this sequence seems like a mistake for b because it is gote
]
;B[me]BL[60]OB[4]C[gogonuts [3d\]: fj was winning
gogonuts [3d\]: got scuppered in the endgame
snowmen [2d\]: fj messed it up
leachy [2k\]: now o11 e18 
Warfreak2 [-\]: w b7 removes all black territory there, while black b7 leaves a very big sente at a5
]
;W[ni]WL[198.783]
;B[mf]BL[60]OB[4]C[dm6ze [1k\]: n14 is such great shape
jasch [1d\]: b7 is 12 points in gote
testestest [1k\]: true, but this max 6 points
tuerda [1d\]: b7 is extremely big, but gote fr both sides
]
;W[nj]WL[161.815]C[pollux1: o5
]
;B[no]BL[60]OB[4]C[leachy [2k\]: sente/gote is such a poor description of the endgame
nuhmi: wow
]
;W[np]WL[122.048]C[tuerda [1d\]: 5 points of w territory (if we include the capture) plus 4 points for black, plus the value of the extra large yose move at A5 for black, 10 points seems like a good conservative estimate of B7 value
]
;B[oo]BL[60]OB[4]C[pollux1: n6
theolddan [2d\]: just do b7 zen
nuhmi: o5 was a mistake from white true?
zen [1d\]: ok, sure
gogonuts [3d\]: the right to play a5 is not 1 point
]
;W[oq]WL[72.768]C[Matthias [13k?\]: hi
]
;B[ns]BL[60]OB[4]C[nuhmi: did white h1 non move allowed this o5 from black?
]
;W[mq]WL[35.45]C[K5 [5k?\]: N6?
]
;B[nr]BL[60]OB[4]C[nuhmi: w n5?
tuerda [1d\]: While I agree in principle gogonuts, I deflate my estimation of the size of any double gote move as a force of habit
snowmen [2d\]: Zen so strong
]
;W[mn]WL[60]OW[5]C[Warfreak2 [-\]: deflate?
leachy [2k\]: n6 n7 m6 l6 l5 k6 was dangerous ko at m4
tuerda [1d\]: count it as smaller than I might be inclined to
lmProVe [1d\]: B is not Pepe
]
;B[bm]BL[60]OB[4]C[rats [2d?\]:  1, 2, 3: deflate!
pollux1: close game
djhbrown [?\]: wasnt n6 bigger than o2?
K5 [5k?\]: I thought so djh
Warfreak2 [-\]: you mean you use miai counting but not properly
leachy [2k\]: nsorry no ko....hallucination there
H16 [3d\]: b got this by few points
H16 [3d\]: no?
leachy [2k\]: o2 had q2 followup.....hard to tell for me which was bigger
]
;W[gb]WL[60]OW[5]C[Nietzsches [6k\]: the large b group at f3 area is dead no?
gogonuts [3d\]: nope
zyklop [2k\]: f18 or e18 look both interesting for b
]
;B[ca]BL[60]OB[4]C[Nietzsches [6k\]: ah i see
gogonuts [3d\]: h1 1.5 eyes, f2 0.5 eyes
K5 [5k?\]: S12 of use?
Antilopa [1d\]: leachy there was no ko as j3 is practicly captured 
]
;W[pm]WL[60]OW[5]C[leachy [2k\]: b e18 didn't work (with idea e18 e17 e19) ?
]
;B[qm]BL[60]OB[4]C[pollux1: q7= horizon effect
Warfreak2 [-\]: q7 one point in sente
pollux1: q7=one ko threat lost for nothing
]
;W[da]WL[60]OW[5]C[jasch [1d\]: w might play a5
tuerda [1d\]: timing of some of w moves reveals that it is a bot. W could have Q7 at any time at all, but chooses to do so in response to C19
jasch [1d\]: or not
nuhmi: q7 1point gote for black ?
]
;B[db]BL[60]OB[4]C[LaXanh [4d?\]: d19 ?
pollux1: d19 fails. I don't understand
theolddan [2d\]: d19 = bug
tuerda [1d\]: w on drugs
mefrini [7k\]: w+5 
]
;W[dc]WL[60]OW[5]C[theolddan [2d\]: apply patch
leachy [2k\]: how can a bot play this?
jasch [1d\]: intererstingly one might asssume endgame to be a bots most powerful episode of the game
lmProVe [1d\]: D19 ultratesuji
pollux1: mefrini no. Anout even
]
;B[ea]BL[60]OB[4]C[jasch [1d\]: but here we see its not
djhbrown [?\]: mayv=be w counts itself behind so tries desperation move
pollux1: djh you may be right
VAVAVA [2k\]: d19 fine ? ko for sente
jasch [1d\]: well if w d18 it could become sente if b cant play ko
]
;W[eb]WL[60]OW[5]C[VAVAVA [2k\]: or just sente
Lyoug [3k?\]: or w counts itself ahead and tries to win by .5
tuerda [1d\]: b can just ignore E18
tuerda [1d\]: already b gained points
tuerda [1d\]: A5 now
K5 [5k?\]: who is komaster here?
]
;B[fk]BL[60]OB[4]C[pollux1: b can paly f18 and has mor threats than w
theolddan [2d\]: a5 quasi sente because of a7
zyklop [2k\]:  i hope b finds l5 ^^
zyklop [2k\]: m5
]
;W[el]WL[60]OW[5]C[tuerda [1d\]: M5? how does that work?
]
;B[fi]BL[60]OB[4]C[largehc [-\]: M5 n5
ganesha2 [3k\]: it doesnt
zyklop [2k\]: m5, n5 h5 h6, k5
]
;W[lc]WL[60]OW[5]C[tuerda [1d\]: still nothing zyklop, did you forget L3 is in atari?
bert [?\]: smart
ofbusy [-\]: i see. after connectiong the stones
pollux1: m17 desperation move (or horizon effect)
]
;B[lb]BL[60]OB[4]C[djhbrown [?\]: setting up a ko threat
zyklop [2k\]: indeed i forgot ...
K5 [5k?\]: horizon effect not a factor like before, it is MC on tilt
K5 [5k?\]: = w anticipates loss
K5 [5k?\]: like d19
pollux1: if b g12 definite loss
Antilopa [1d\]: its not horizon effect
]
;W[mc]WL[60]OW[5]C[Antilopa [1d\]: :(
djhbrown [?\]: its a kind of horizon effect... no a minimax one tho
mefrini [7k\]: what is m17
]
;B[kb]BL[60]OB[4]C[Antilopa [1d\]: how is that a horizon effect? 
mefrini [7k\]: someone can explain it
djhbrown [?\]: i will tell you in my next movie 
Warfreak2 [-\]: monte carlo bots tend to play all the way to the end, so their only horizon effect is when they switch from minimax to "random" play
tuerda [1d\]: djhbrown going to direct an awful sci fi flick called "horizon effect"
Antilopa [1d\]: dont blame a bot move with a buzz word 
]
;W[gq]WL[60]OW[5]C[djhbrown [?\]: hey, great title, thanks :)
]
;B[hs]BL[60]OB[4]C[Warfreak2 [-\]: so, if they read 50 moves ahead and then switch to "random", and there is some critical move in exactly 50 moves' time which would be found by a minimax opponent but not a random one, the horizon effect might occur
djhbrown [?\]: but it will be sci fact
Warfreak2 [-\]: basically that never happens
pollux1: you can say the bot is eating all the sente bread, then nothing left
]
;W[ms]WL[60]OW[5]C[Warfreak2 [-\]: the issue is that if the bot knows it's losing, it will play moves which don't seem to win, that's only because to the bot no moves seem to win
lmProVe [1d\]: wut
]
;B[ls]BL[60]OB[4]C[pollux1: funny bot did not play j3
leachy [2k\]: b j3 is sente provided b doesn't have q2 to worry about
]
;W[iq]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[jq]BL[60]OB[4]C[Antilopa [1d\]: actually in MM and MC it will find the best resistence (usually using a parameter calculated on the game progression so far)
bert [?\]: oh, la Resistence
]
;W[kq]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[iq]BL[60]OB[4]C[pollux1: if bot does not come back to f12 it will resign
]
;W[gh]WL[60]OW[5]C[tuerda [1d\]: a5
lmProVe [1d\]: H5
]
;B[fh]BL[60]OB[4]C[bert [?\]: n5 
theolddan [2d\]: h5 looks nasty
pollux1: h5 very bad
pollux1: h6 correct yose
Warfreak2 [-\]: you missed the point
]
;W[an]WL[60]OW[5]C[tuerda [1d\]: !!
Warfreak2 [-\]: black has a push at n5 and l2 is low on liberties
tuerda [1d\]: ZOMG!
jasch [1d\]: hm why w not a5 instead ...
pollux1: ignore, play f13 and win
]
;B[am]BL[60]OB[4]C[tuerda [1d\]: this is fine for b because A7 threatens B4
leachy [2k\]: ? can't believe f13 not played
Warfreak2 [-\]: a7 also big
pollux1: this also good, creates b4
Warfreak2 [-\]: it has b4 followup
zyklop [2k\]: b4 is big too now
Warfreak2 [-\]: never interrupt your opponent when they are making a mistake
]
;W[mb]WL[60]OW[5]C[ofbusy [-\]: zen collapsing in yose again ? :/
zen [1d\]: no b can play b4 if w tenuki
zen [1d\]: now
tuerda [1d\]: beautiful new go proverb warfreak
Warfreak2 [-\]: not new
]
;B[nb]BL[60]OB[4]C[pollux1: n18 looks gote
theolddan [2d\]: seems random moves are on now
tuerda [1d\]: b taking no chances. F13 and b4 are miai and w has lost
]
;W[ej]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[fj]BL[60]OB[4]C[Syxok [3d\]: egf 5d is kgs 6d?
Warfreak2 [-\]: about that
Warfreak2 [-\]: but depends on which country
zyklop [2k\]: w is in desperation mode ^^
mefrini [7k\]: why couldnt she ignore a6
Warfreak2 [-\]: she could, but it's better to answer
pollux1: b 69 w 57+komi
Warfreak2 [-\]: a7 is worth a similar number of points to f13
]
;W[je]WL[60]OW[5]C[Syxok [3d\]: "when in doubt tenuki"
djhbrown [?\]: what happened to castor?
]
;B[fg]BL[60]OB[4]C[blues [5k\]: lol
dm6ze [1k\]: !
ofbusy [-\]: over
Warfreak2 [-\]: SYNTAX ERROR
tuerda [1d\]: w now trails big
JustHrew [1d\]: b4 still there to boot
khjas [5k\]: b will win by 50 points at this rate
Warfreak2 [-\]: CORE DUMPED
mefrini [7k\]: ...
ofbusy [-\]: ^^
theolddan [2d\]: k18?
gghideki [2k?\]: So many bad yose these days :(
theolddan [2d\]: doesnt work ....
]
;W[ms]WL[60]OW[5]C[tuerda [1d\]: w should give up go and begin a career in architecture
theolddan [2d\]: monte carlo yose this is
]
;B[pr]BL[60]OB[4]C[Syxok [3d\]: this bot can beat 99% of kgs players
alfred: b sacrificed only k10 to win
theolddan [2d\]: not what pros are tought
leachy [2k\]: go bots can't design buildings
tuerda [1d\]: I'm sure it could beat 99% of kgs architects too
djhbrown [?\]: looks like b has studied white seriously for this match
Warfreak2 [-\]: i am the architect
Warfreak2 [-\]: there is no spoon. wait, i'm the oracle
]
;W[jc]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[jb]BL[60]OB[4]C[eleven21: well k10 was swallowed
pollux1: w soon out of ko threats
tuerda [1d\]: w saw F13 and printed "damnit, I knew I shouldn't have dropped out of med school"
]
;W[nc]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ob]BL[60]OB[4]C[pollux1: about 6 ko threat before resign
Warfreak2 [-\]: System.out.println("Goodbye, cruel world!");
tuerda [1d\]: robo suicide
]
;W[ao]WL[60]OW[5]C[bert [?\]: looks like this bot difficultly takes defeat
theolddan [2d\]: zens hello world version
Warfreak2 [-\]: for real, my first ever program said "goodbye, cruel world" instead of "hello world"
djhbrown [?\]: maybe zen changed its resign crteria after the first game
]
;B[hn]BL[60]OB[4]C[pollux1: b should pass a few times to give bot a chance
theolddan [2d\]: it seems to throw exceptions all the time
tuerda [1d\]: it does not sound innacurate warfreak, since all the "hello world" program does is die
Warfreak2 [-\]: it's the first program from C for Dummies
gghideki [2k?\]: Thanks
zyklop [2k\]: well done woods
bert [?\]: thanks
Warfreak2 [-\]: but i wasn't aware that programs traditionally said "hello world" at the time, as it was my first time programming, so the joke went over my head
tuerda [1d\]: I have never actually written a "hello world" program
Woods [6d\]: Thanks for watching!
ofbusy [-\]: thx 
JustHrew [1d\]: It was c dummies way of joking
rs220675 [1d\]: who won?
Artemis57 [2k?\]: thanks for sharing
zen [1d\]: will there be more games?
eleven21: thx
maproomad [-\]: Thank you for an exciting game!
Woods [6d\]: There will be one more round tomorrow, at 12:00 (gmt+1)
tuerda [1d\]: yes, thank you for showing this entertaining game
JustHrew [1d\]: Since most who delve into programming world for the first time will find it as a "cruel world"
maproomad [-\]: gmt+2, I think?
Warfreak2 [-\]: especially if they are learning C as their first language
H16 [3d\]: So Rita won every match so far?
Woods [6d\]: as the result so far is 2-0 for Rita, the opponent for tomorrow's game will be István Rigó (japanese 5 dan)
gghideki [2k?\]: 3rd game will start at tomorrow 10 AM UTC
djhbrown [?\]: pollux analysis please
Woods [6d\]: See you tomorrow! :)
gghideki [2k?\]: see you! :)
bert [?\]: unusual name for a japanese, i must say
djhbrown [?\]: or woods analysis
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