(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
PW[Zen19S]PB[Woods]BR[6d]DT[2015-10-11]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Zen19S [-\]: GTP Engine for Zen19S (white): Zen version 10.4d13
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[pd]BL[3506.089]C[gghideki [2k?\]: gg
]
;W[dp]WL[3559.865]
;B[pq]BL[3483.393]
;W[dd]WL[3518.149]C[Woods [6d\]: Dachs Go Challenge 3. round István Rigó 3dan vs Zen19S
]
;B[pk]BL[3468.637]C[Muttley [2k\]: woohoo
]
;W[mp]WL[3464.229]C[Muttley [2k\]: high Chinese again
]
;B[po]BL[3453.851]
;W[jp]WL[3463.575]
;B[fc]BL[3432.185]
;W[jd]WL[3412.28]
;B[cf]BL[3387.271]C[Muttley [2k\]: do pros ever pincer with k16?
CaesarJMD [-\]: zen lost both games yesterday?
gogonuts [3d\]: they kind of don't, but it works for bots - it creates their kind of game
]
;W[df]WL[3362.548]C[gogonuts [3d\]: yes
]
;B[dg]BL[3375.873]C[Muttley [2k\]: yeah, it does gogonuts, but I'm thinking about "this is objectively the best move here" ethos
gogonuts [3d\]: lost them late the way I saw it
]
;W[ec]WL[3317.301]C[myopian [4k\]: horizon effect
Slowmatch: That was the beauty of it
gogonuts [3d\]: woah, e17
]
;B[fd]BL[3338.513]C[gogonuts [3d\]: e14 c15 d15 ?
lktm [5k\]: is this joseki??
]
;W[ef]WL[3280.434]C[Muttley [2k\]: this isn't joseki, is it?
gogonuts [3d\]: fighting joseki :-)
]
;B[ce]BL[3320.763]C[Muttley [2k\]: hmm, I don't know e17 kick first
gogonuts [3d\]: muttley, this isnt scrabble, where you can't play it if it isn't in the book :-)
lktm [5k\]: top 2 black stones look sort of heavy
]
;W[de]WL[3243.412]C[Muttley [2k\]: its not???  shucks :)
Muttley [2k\]: d15 is kinda beautiful, if you play Tetris
SiaTex [4k\]: hi! zen is back, go zen!!
gogonuts [3d\]: this looks playable enough for both
Muttley [2k\]: its such a weird shape for w though
lktm [5k\]: but b kinda lookslike he needs to play on both sides
SiaTex [4k\]: not really
Muttley [2k\]: yes, what's going on is beneath the surface
SiaTex [4k\]: he dont have to cover the cut at c13 yet
SiaTex [4k\]: doesnt*
]
;B[dh]BL[3200.199]C[gogonuts [3d\]: muttley, at gobase.org i searched for the shape without specifying the pincer and got 25 hits
storn [3k\]: I guess, this is ko
Muttley [2k\]: I just lost all my respect for pros :)
]
;W[fh]WL[3188.909]C[gogonuts [3d\]: d12 is the first problem imo
Muttley [2k\]: thanks though gogonuts :)
gogonuts [3d\]: wow, and zen refuses the corner ...
storn [3k\]: Mutlley, me too. They ko playing is terrible
woebegone [4k\]: can b afford to abandon the f17 stones?
mdma: in certain scenarios
SiaTex [4k\]: it is going to be hard for white to kill those imo
Muttley [2k\]: I'm ko-authoring a book with Lee Sedol called "Secrets of ko"
Muttley [2k\]: he's writing it, and I'm correcting his mistakes
SiaTex [4k\]: lol
gogonuts [3d\]: I know its not a very "strategic" move, but c16 instead of f12 looks great for w to me
Muttley [2k\]: its a base for a thick group, what's not to like
mdma: exactly that - thick groups dont need base
Muttley [2k\]: zen just sees the wide open plains and runs for them :)
mdma: an attitude many should adapt
Muttley [2k\]: come back Woods
gogonuts [3d\]: w increased the scale, i think reducing the scale with o17 is decent for b
Muttley [2k\]: why not m17
]
;B[ld]BL[3033.099]C[gogonuts [3d\]: m17 was possible too
SiaTex [4k\]: does black going to sucrefice those two stones? :O
gogonuts [3d\]: but if w then k17 or k18
SiaTex [4k\]: sacrifice*
gogonuts [3d\]: m17 is vulnerable, and f16 is hurt
]
;W[kf]WL[3135.234]C[Muttley [2k\]: you're just playing dame if you try to run them out here, imho, and helping w build strength to play elsewhere
lktm [5k\]: wow L14 bravo
gogonuts [3d\]: muttley, i do think that your m17 was better than this m16 :-)
]
;B[jc]BL[2987.173]C[woebegone [4k\]: siatex: they are pincered, saving them would have been expensive imo
power [1k\]: l14 is good
]
;W[ic]WL[3129.927]C[Muttley [2k\]: it did ask a question of white, not sure about this, seems greedy
gogonuts [3d\]: no
Muttley [2k\]: if L17 j18?
gogonuts [3d\]: its too timid imo
gogonuts [3d\]: b is selling f16 too early
gogonuts [3d\]: no, connect
lktm [5k\]: if w connect then is it ok for white?
lktm [5k\]: seems bit concentrated
gogonuts [3d\]: more than ok, imo
]
;B[kc]BL[2901.287]C[SiaTex [4k\]: thats pretty much expensive
SiaTex [4k\]: for black
lktm [5k\]: left side for b next?
]
;W[hd]WL[3089.039]C[Muttley [2k\]: yeah, connect is better
Muttley [2k\]: this is way better for w imho
SiaTex [4k\]: those 4 stones for black looks ugly
woebegone [4k\]: c6?
gogonuts [3d\]: w has security, profit and options - b was too hasty overall
Xylol [4k\]: who is woods?
Muttley [2k\]: wait for zen o9 :))
Muttley [2k\]: Move 4 Woods [6d\]: Dachs Go Challenge 3. round István Rigó 3dan vs Zen19S
gogonuts [3d\]: hes in the woods, not out of the woods
badmove: b17 ?
gogonuts [3d\]: q14 for me
woebegone [4k\]: woods is Peter Marko, but actually it's Rita Pocsai playing
Xylol [4k\]: i would love to see zen in some slow tournaments comparing with humans to give him aga / egf rating
SiaTex [4k\]: c6 or d8 imo
gogonuts [3d\]: really, rita again?
gogonuts [3d\]: wasn't it supposed to change
gogonuts [3d\]: ?
podshoppa [1d?\]: woods is only relaying this?
SiaTex [4k\]: she wins everyone dude
SiaTex [4k\]: why not to cast her?
podshoppa [1d?\]: have you seen that girl? god
SiaTex [4k\]: nope
SiaTex [4k\]: never
gogonuts [3d\]: q14 almost only move
]
;B[dn]BL[2738.926]C[SiaTex [4k\]: damn i was close
Muttley [2k\]: No, this is Istvan Rigo 3d playing
gogonuts [3d\]: that doesnt help either
podshoppa [1d?\]: are you sure??
Muttley [2k\]: Move 4 Woods [6d\]: Dachs Go Challenge 3. round István Rigó 3dan vs Zen19S
woodsxx: Yep,Rita only putting the stones here
gogonuts [3d\]: w answers, and b still has multiple problems
SiaTex [4k\]: ye i think that blacks bad here
gogonuts [3d\]: thx muttley
]
;W[ek]WL[3035.749]C[lktm [5k\]: how to answer this?
gogonuts [3d\]: in an indiana jones movie w would say "this is how we answer in germany" :-)
CrabStone [2d\]: F4
woodsxx: The plan was:if Rita win twice(as it happened) Rigó István play,if lose twice Mérő Csaba plays, if 1-1 than Rita again
woodsxx: (btw I'm the official Woods as well)
gogonuts [3d\]: zen looked good yesterday too, and still muffed it
gogonuts [3d\]: but this looks like turning into acrushing win
woodsxx: Too early to tell
]
;B[fn]BL[2575.912]C[Muttley [2k\]: This one is a typical zen-bot game, gogonuts, you're right about k16
]
;W[em]WL[2982.385]
;B[en]BL[2527.251]C[softlight [2d\]: why not f3 instead of f6?
]
;W[fp]WL[2937.161]
;B[cp]BL[2508.13]
;W[cq]WL[2935.385]
;B[co]BL[2494.744]C[eleven21: maybe b was afraid that the center would be very big
]
;W[qc]WL[2885.87]C[eleven21: but the w's lower side looks big now
woodsxx: Now this is weird
woodsxx: Kinda like a bit ajikeshi
gogonuts [3d\]: oops
gogonuts [3d\]: leading too much?
gogonuts [3d\]: already time for funny bot moves
Lilou [1k\]: is woods a bot?
woodsxx: As a probeish move its not bad
woodsxx: Nope:)
]
;B[qd]BL[2374.634]C[bert [?\]: he acts as a bot only when his gf is around, i guess
myopian [4k\]: you are all bots, just doing what your genes want you to do
woodsxx: my robot dance is amazinh
]
;W[pc]WL[2848.254]C[woodsxx: g
bert [?\]: that is kinda shortsighted, myopian
woodsxx: Now the position looks a bit better for black,this san-san invasion just fixed o16
woodsxx: I think
myopian [4k\]: think you mean insighted
]
;B[oc]BL[2230.401]C[bert [?\]: nah, but maybe you just dont have it in the genes
]
;W[ob]WL[2819.894]
;B[od]BL[2137.111]C[badmove: b3 ?
lktm [5k\]: isn't this sente?
]
;W[gm]WL[2767.56]C[lktm [5k\]: guess not :D
woodsxx: corner is ko 
woodsxx: o18 p19 s16 s17 r19 s19 s18 
]
;B[gn]BL[2020.884]
;W[cj]WL[2719.851]C[woodsxx: sorry,not s19
woodsxx: r19
bert [?\]: good move
badmove: c11 
dingo1 [-\]: good move or bas move ?
badmove: bad abvioulsy
dingo1 [-\]: sure
badmove: good move is b12 
]
;B[ci]BL[1898.681]C[badmove: damn
]
;W[bq]WL[2682.015]
;B[cl]BL[1853.869]C[bert [?\]: c9 
gogonuts [3d\]: y
]
;W[ck]WL[2638.953]
;B[dl]BL[1828.538]C[gogonuts [3d\]: zen wouldnt miss a fine torture move like that
woodsxx: I'm really curious if white read out the upper right corner already
badmove: it's heavy
]
;W[ei]WL[2601.997]
;B[cc]BL[1780.667]C[gogonuts [3d\]: bots are great teachers when it comes to teaches you how bad it is when your groups work against each other
gogonuts [3d\]: to teaching
badmove: b12 ?
]
;W[cd]WL[2564.513]
;B[bd]BL[1773.327]
;W[li]WL[2514.878]C[lktm [5k\]: whoa
ss37 [4d\]: scary
lktm [5k\]: M11 :D
gogonuts [3d\]: must o18
badmove: then o11 :)
lktm [5k\]: if B O11 then zen thinks it is better?
lktm [5k\]: b right side is big too
gogonuts [3d\]: b wreally wants to play in the center but thats a wild goose chase
gogonuts [3d\]: taking o18 gives b some chance
]
;B[lk]BL[1659.672]C[bert [?\]: wild geese stole my cheese
ss37 [4d\]: M9 stops B
ss37 [4d\]: W
]
;W[im]WL[2461.618]C[gogonuts [3d\]: if b is thinking I'll just limit w here, then come back to o18, he's being a little optimistic
badmove: n13 ?
woodsxx: What if zen just thinks that p18 alive already?
Pettyx2 [2d\]: o 18 isn't strictly sente
bert [?\]: must tend to c5 group now
lktm [5k\]: b bottom left group killable?
woodsxx: In that case,o18 is kinda like endgame for him
woodsxx: so wont play it anyway
]
;B[gp]BL[1507.378]C[gogonuts [3d\]: that is always a temptation - but that logic makes you insane
]
;W[gq]WL[2421.7]
;B[hq]BL[1468.815]
;W[hp]WL[2405.525]C[gogonuts [3d\]: time for th ehockey stick
]
;B[go]BL[1438.076]C[woodsxx: The other atari could be more severe
ss37 [4d\]: b would like to live in sente
]
;W[iq]WL[2369.247]C[gogonuts [3d\]: yes, but too hard for me to tell if its good
gogonuts [3d\]: soon it will be " b would like to live" :-)
abyss: he can live in gote
]
;B[fq]BL[1388.16]C[gogonuts [3d\]: b10 is sente at the top
]
;W[hr]WL[2330.622]C[gogonuts [3d\]: so some b caution is required
]
;B[gr]BL[1342.289]
;W[eq]WL[2286.76]C[eleven21: e3
ss37 [4d\]: we all love ko
eleven21: does b need this?
gogonuts [3d\]: especially zen, it seems :-)
woodsxx: I'm not sure about the bot:)
]
;B[hq]BL[1310.158]C[gogonuts [3d\]: ko seems wrong by w
]
;W[nj]WL[2249.417]C[Minjhou [6k\]: why should bots avoid kos?
ss37 [4d\]: scary threat
gogonuts [3d\]: maybe a luxury problem
theolddan [2d\]: winning the ko kills corner the next move then
gogonuts [3d\]: too many winning paths :-)
gogonuts [3d\]: but that can excuse anything
]
;B[gq]BL[1210.989]C[gogonuts [3d\]: or there is some new code: if ko goto haywire
theolddan [2d\]: got bad style
theolddan [2d\]: goto
theolddan [2d\]: vb style
theolddan [2d\]: zen is vb bot?
]
;W[er]WL[2200.768]C[gogonuts [3d\]: the ko was just bot humor
ss37 [4d\]: this ko turn out not really good for bot
theolddan [2d\]: ah zen lifes 
theolddan [2d\]: what did zen get after all?
badmove: vb = visual basic ?
ss37 [4d\]: he made human relax
theolddan [2d\]: yes
]
;B[ir]BL[1130.98]C[theolddan [2d\]: now this seems slow for b or doesnt it?
ftroiset [1d\]: well, w gets n8
gogonuts [3d\]: a wise b decision, but not a happy one
]
;W[jr]WL[2162.148]
;B[hs]BL[1123.791]C[lktm [5k\]: ooooooo
gogonuts [3d\]: poor m8 will get mistreated
badmove: it feels like w plays two moves in the center
ftroiset [1d\]: which is known as ko threat
]
;W[ol]WL[2112.841]C[gogonuts [3d\]: badmove, thats because he did :-)
badmove: that's cheating :)
DavyByrne [11k?\]: that's how ko threats work!?
badmove: is it ?
gogonuts [3d\]: if you gave b the power to ban all bots from this world at this moment, I think he would :-)
woodsxx: why?
gogonuts [3d\]: this is turning into a nightmare
gogonuts [3d\]: and I'm sure its just what he wanted to avoid
gogonuts [3d\]: but it still happened
woodsxx: Cannot black just enjoy the game?Its just for fun,nothing serious
]
;B[mi]BL[994.312]C[gogonuts [3d\]: impossible :-)
]
;W[mj]WL[2099.474]C[badmove: fight
theolddan [2d\]: b looses patience
woodsxx: sad life I sense here
]
;B[lj]BL[980.079]C[theolddan [2d\]: and ths just after very patient move j2
gogonuts [3d\]: he's just enjoying it now :-)
ss37 [4d\]: not very good place to fight
ss37 [4d\]: is b going to save this stone?
badmove: I thought center was always a good place for fight
gogonuts [3d\]: n8 for timid me
]
;W[oi]WL[2052.21]C[Pettyx2 [2d\]: either that or find god place to resign xD
Pettyx2 [2d\]: *good
gogonuts [3d\]: bot might get more brutal
Greenfuse [2k\]: not good if you are outnumbered
gogonuts [3d\]: indeed
ftroiset [1d\]: p11 is really strong
abyss: maybe at this point, the term nightmare is accurate
Pettyx2 [2d\]: fear not black shall prevail! xD
badmove: n8 ?
]
;B[ph]BL[860.318]C[gogonuts [3d\]: that cant be it
ss37 [4d\]: this is really strange
gogonuts [3d\]: reducing the damage concedes the fight
YZ1509 [4d\]: at this point black knows this game is lost
gogonuts [3d\]: and losing the fight loses the game
]
;W[on]WL[2001.709]C[abyss: w is just
abyss: über-patient
gogonuts [3d\]: i w were a human, he would be pretty unpleasant
abyss: lol no
Ootakamoku [-\]: b will win if he just takes cash on the right , and then lives in center, 
gogonuts [3d\]: i can just see his smirk with p6 :-)
abyss: i d want w to be my gf
YZ1509 [4d\]: m10 is dead, fairly unlikely to make it alive
]
;B[lh]BL[779.601]C[abyss: b could m12
gogonuts [3d\]: p6 is really a great move
abyss: but then the right side doesnt have time for a move
ftroiset [1d\]: to live in the center looks impossible even for a pro now
gogonuts [3d\]: and it would take a very strong human to find it
Muttley [2k\]: don't live in the centre, kill in the centre
]
;W[ki]WL[1963.608]C[woodsxx: actually p6 is not that great
]
;B[kh]BL[770.301]C[Muttley [2k\]: b aim at o12 then push cut with p9
Greenfuse [2k\]: m10 is just leverage
Kotonoha [3d\]: don't fight with Muttley, believe in Muttley 
Muttley [2k\]: hehe
]
;W[ji]WL[1925.779]C[gogonuts [3d\]: p6 is awesome to me - it builds the kind of bot spider web that you just cant escape
]
;B[jh]BL[746.698]C[woodsxx: o6 simply better
theolddan [2d\]: n13 danger now
badmove: b needs to resurect f17 
]
;W[gf]WL[1885.125]C[theolddan [2d\]: will this bot do it?
abyss: the way is erased
abyss: b already reduced some
Ootakamoku [-\]: b getting lots of forcing moves here
gogonuts [3d\]: w needs very little
theolddan [2d\]: yes not bad for b
kmr [1d\]: ignoring O10 looks bad, black had local threats like F7 or D9, no need to finish ko so soon
gogonuts [3d\]: zen is winding down the game
abyss: w is just so smooth
badmove: r8 ?
kmr [1d\]: still there will be ko, right Muttley?
]
;B[mh]BL[650.715]C[abyss: now
Muttley [2k\]: sure there will
YZ1509 [4d\]: ko humans last hope
Muttley [2k\]: and it will figure in the great book "Secrets of Ko", ko-authored by Muttley and Lee Sedol
Muttley [2k\]: he writes it, I correct his mistakes
abyss: yz:D
]
;W[pi]WL[1834.418]C[Muttley [2k\]: gee, w is going to just steal the right
abyss: ye but he lost from the middle
]
;B[qi]BL[621.242]C[badmove: j11 ?
Ootakamoku [-\]: this hane looks like too much
YZ1509 [4d\]: yes black is in overplay mode
Muttley [2k\]: b upper centre stones and group is not entirely safe if he continues like this
]
;W[oh]WL[1784.258]C[abyss: here she comes
Ootakamoku [-\]: p13 now
abyss: speaking of too.much.hane
]
;B[pg]BL[581.152]C[kmr [1d\]: what about triple hane? :D
Ootakamoku [-\]: p13 atleast is consistent, trying to get sente with sacrifice
abyss: it would have been a triple hane
Muttley [2k\]: n12 will die
kmr [1d\]: P13 is would be double hane
abyss: n12 shouldnt die
kmr [1d\]: delete "is" from my statement
abyss: ye but then hane again
]
;W[qj]WL[1736.451]C[kmr [1d\]: O14 after P13? :)
abyss: w wants to enclose n12 secretely
badmove: s10 
Ootakamoku [-\]: p13 now
Pettyx2 [2d\]: is b ever gonna get j 11?
abyss: i like r10
Ootakamoku [-\]: maybe just j11 right now?
Muttley [2k\]: p11 later, right now it feels so kyuish
badmove: too late
]
;B[ii]BL[484.548]
;W[jj]WL[1735.745]C[gogonuts [3d\]: j11 doesnt help, if just cant connect too
Muttley [2k\]: pfft, black gave in to his inner kyu
ss37 [4d\]: instant answer
Ootakamoku [-\]: j6 now
badmove: b will have to resign
abyss: ye instant save
ss37 [4d\]: probably precalculated
abyss: probably confident
badmove: push twice
gogonuts [3d\]: lol, badmove
theolddan [2d\]: triple push 
theolddan [2d\]: then connect
]
;B[ij]BL[372.728]C[Muttley [2k\]: I played zen when it was getting a rank again, the pressure is intense
Ootakamoku [-\]: b needs j8, in sente, to be able to geta the white stones
gogonuts [3d\]: b is actually calculating around there would love to protect j12 and get a 2nd exit - but not working imo
badmove: where are black points ?
]
;W[jk]WL[1698.961]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: topright could all be blacks
theolddan [2d\]: would be against rules
Ootakamoku [-\]: with first move and insane ko
theolddan [2d\]: 2 moves in one strike
gogonuts [3d\]: even h2 isnt a safe point yet :-)
woodsxx: j13 haa continution with j15 peep so its fine
badmove: then black just lost huge ko threats
gogonuts [3d\]: he just did what you told him to
ss37 [4d\]: w can even invade r4 
badmove: oh I'm so sorry
gogonuts [3d\]: lol
Muttley [2k\]: ko
]
;B[if]BL[270.366]C[ss37 [4d\]: where?
Muttley [2k\]: sorry, Lee got hold of the keyboard
kmr [1d\]: somewhere
ss37 [4d\]: haha
gogonuts [3d\]: j14 is a good try
theolddan [2d\]: w might answer at l16
gogonuts [3d\]: even if it fails
]
;W[hh]WL[1655.969]
;B[ih]BL[260.437]C[Muttley [2k\]: I'm wondering whether w can get away with n15
theolddan [2d\]: m15 then almost sente
theolddan [2d\]: and b needs to asure his connection
]
;W[qm]WL[1605.313]C[Muttley [2k\]: hehe, right is white
abyss: white is right
Pettyx2 [2d\]: r 7 was pretty big for both xD
Warfreak2 [-\]: white is fighting for his right to paaaarty
Viiskyy [7k\]: might makes white?
theolddan [2d\]: but r 7 might not be sente
Muttley [2k\]: don't invade the corner, kill the corner
gogonuts [3d\]: bdid the best he could in the center
abyss: if b tenuki, w can pirate around in the corner
gogonuts [3d\]: avoided collapse
ss37 [4d\]: r5 
badmove: g18 ?
gogonuts [3d\]: but vwery hard to find hope for the game as a whole
kmr [1d\]: S6 or R6, looks natural now
Muttley [2k\]: r6 is a bit herp de derp
gogonuts [3d\]: still o18
Agnes30 [17k?\]: r11
kmr [1d\]: and s6 is a bit roar like al gore
kmr [1d\]: but what else?Tenuki?
Ootakamoku [-\]: b has many options that would lead to a win, live with m9 stones, kill q17 without paying for ko, kill h16 stones...
]
;B[kq]BL[111.144]C[ss37 [4d\]: they both don't care about upper right corner
gogonuts [3d\]: your very close to an rsun patent violation
Warfreak2 [-\]: zen maybe didn't notice it's unsettled
kmr [1d\]: Rsun taught me well, but i am not a jedi yet xd
woodsxx: upper right just a ko
gogonuts [3d\]: lol
]
;W[jq]WL[1555.627]C[woodsxx: so the timing is still questionable
Muttley [2k\]: run like rsun
ss37 [4d\]: I'm not sure he has categories "settled"/"unsettled"
gogonuts [3d\]: wow, k3 seems stingyx
]
;B[mq]BL[91.671]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: this shape so smells like ko
theolddan [2d\]: like this there is a chance b dies in the corner
ss37 [4d\]: crosscut
Muttley [2k\]: This is a bit like watching someone play tug of war against a bulldozer
abyss: just how suicidal is b?
]
;W[ri]WL[1502.582]C[Greenfuse [2k\]: still at least B did not choose the passive response to R7
rs220675 [1d\]: how strong is the opponent of zen?
Ootakamoku [-\]: m4
Muttley [2k\]: 3d
Ootakamoku [-\]: rs, 6dan
rs220675 [1d\]: ok, thx
woodsxx: nope
Muttley [2k\]: no, 3d rs
abyss: :D
]
;B[qh]BL[60.906]C[woodsxx: 3d
Muttley [2k\]: Move 4 Woods [6d\]: Dachs Go Challenge 3. round István Rigó 3dan vs Zen19S
woodsxx: In his prime he was 3dan
Ootakamoku [-\]: oh, zens opponent, duh
Muttley [2k\]: mmm
rs220675 [1d\]: uh...3d wow
Ootakamoku [-\]: I dont get it why b woudl paly r12
Muttley [2k\]: just using the woods account for the games
Ootakamoku [-\]: m4 such a nice move
]
;W[op]WL[1453.448]C[gogonuts [3d\]: such a bot move
abyss: such patience
bkgo [3k\]: p12/n14
abyss: actually, this feels like a waste no?
Ootakamoku [-\]: r12 first really bad move Ive seen
gogonuts [3d\]: but takes away b o5
]
;B[qr]BL[14.263]C[abyss: o3 or r3 seems more like
Muttley [2k\]: o3
Ootakamoku [-\]: white s3 would be funny here
]
;W[nq]WL[1415.371]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: but I think w will just play o3
Muttley [2k\]: just simple profit
Muttley [2k\]: still bad aji in the corner
Ootakamoku [-\]: r12.. really, why?
gogonuts [3d\]: bots can be so pragmatic :-)
ss37 [4d\]: now n3 and l3 wasted
gogonuts [3d\]: n3 really got clobbered
]
;B[io]BL[60]OB[5]C[Muttley [2k\]: I'm pretty sure zen has a picture of The Hulk as his screensaver with "PUNY HUMAN" written under it
Ootakamoku [-\]: cant watch this game anymore after move like r12..
JIeBuc [3d?\]: because r12 is big endgame move?
ss37 [4d\]: o18 seems really big now
badmove: j6 
Muttley [2k\]: k5
abyss: o18
Woods [6d\]: Dachs AI Challenge István Rigó 3dan vs Zen19S
Muttley [2k\]: nah, k5
]
;W[jo]WL[1370.699]C[Muttley [2k\]: simples
]
;B[in]BL[60]OB[5]C[Muttley [2k\]: b got mothing
Muttley [2k\]: nothing
abyss: w ma y lose the option of o18
ss37 [4d\]: is it just demo or they are really playing here on KGS?
woodsxx: Here
Pettyx2 [2d\]: b has the hope that tomorrow will be a better day
Muttley [2k\]: KGS game using Woods account
]
;W[jn]WL[1322.296]C[woodsxx: As Muttley said
gogonuts [3d\]: 60 sec byoyomi today ...
ss37 [4d\]: ah, but Zen is really playing here, right?
Muttley [2k\]: you can see Zen19S is in red (if you use the hacked client) showing Zen is playing
Woods [6d\]: Yesterday was 60 sec as well
Muttley [2k\]: yes
Lilou [1k\]: woos is a bot or a player?
Muttley [2k\]: Move 4 Woods [6d\]: Dachs Go Challenge 3. round István Rigó 3dan vs Zen19S
Woods [6d\]: First game setting was wrong
]
;B[fm]BL[60]OB[5]C[gogonuts [3d\]: wsnt it 40?
Muttley [2k\]: Istvan Rigo, Lilou
Lilou [1k\]: thanks ;
Muttley [2k\]: np
Pettyx2 [2d\]: muttley what is the hacked client?
kmr [1d\]: Muttley u use hacked client?
]
;W[ro]WL[1279.94]C[gogonuts [3d\]: oh muttley
Muttley [2k\]: hacked client is an alternative client not supported by KGS :)
peanatsu [1d\]: google cgoban hacked
theolddan [2d\]: where to get this hacked client?
ss37 [4d\]: W has many sweet move around o14 
]
;B[or]BL[60]OB[5]C[Muttley [2k\]: it has some nice features and solved the sound problem for a while before KGS did
ss37 [4d\]: moves*
]
;W[cb]WL[1238.344]C[myopian [4k\]: cgoban solved its sound problem?  when?
]
;B[bc]BL[60]OB[5]C[Muttley [2k\]: a while ago, I thought- wms solved it
myopian [4k\]: not the version i use; stone click is too loud, beeps when opp is in low time etc
]
;W[eb]WL[1200.761]C[Muttley [2k\]: do you use windows?
myopian [4k\]: what's windows?
Muttley [2k\]: beeps you can turn off, that's just in file settings
peanatsu [1d\]: if it makes noise at all that is considered working.
Muttley [2k\]: you use a Mac :)
myopian [4k\]: xubuntu
]
;B[mr]BL[60]OB[5]C[kmr [1d\]: i always turn sound off, KGS sound is very bad, and when i first heard sound of PM i almost got heart attack
Muttley [2k\]: ah, I see, well its a Java program, so you might be able to use it
Akira [5d\]: for me sound works only with java 8
Akira [5d\]: with linux mint
ss37 [4d\]: why are they ignoring UR corner?
]
;W[nr]WL[1162.813]C[myopian [4k\]: kgs runs under linux, but the sound is awful and the hacked one doesnt work for some reason
]
;B[ns]BL[60]OB[5]C[Muttley [2k\]: right, didn't know, sorry
Muttley [2k\]: I use ancient windows with no probs
myopian [4k\]: are you its author?
kmr [1d\]: i use XP too :D
rsun [4d\]: is this 5-game match?
Muttley [2k\]: no
woodsxx: Nope,only 3 game
]
;W[lq]WL[1113.536]C[woodsxx: Rita Pocsai 5dan won the first two
Muttley [2k\]: I thought it was 6, woods, 2-2-2?
rsun [4d\]: just like fj vs cs last year?
Pettyx2 [2d\]: is this the first?
kmr [1d\]: omg, we should run like srun ;)
DavyByrne [10k\]: Just fyi kgs+sounds works fine on my old thinkpad running kubuntu 14.04
myopian [4k\]: maybe lr more urgent than ur
]
;B[oq]BL[60]OB[5]C[peanatsu [1d\]: on linux its more a question of what java version and what sound system is being used
]
;W[np]WL[1075.489]C[myopian [4k\]: aesthetics are a matter of taste [latest everything\]
rsun [4d\]: what event is this?
Woods [6d\]: Dachs AI Challenge
rsun [4d\]: woods watching our chat? lol
Woods [6d\]: Of course I do:)
]
;B[rq]BL[60]OB[5]C[myopian [4k\]: nothing good on telly
Lilou [1k\]: i love u !
rsun [4d\]: no wonder you play so well when I comment on it
kmr [1d\]: haha
Pettyx2 [2d\]: lol
Muttley [2k\]: Just throw money Lilou
gogonuts [3d\]: great rsun
]
;W[og]WL[1030.37]
;B[rh]BL[60]OB[5]C[ss37 [4d\]: now n14 
badmove: but
Elvis [2k\]: b doomed
badmove: o18 ?
]
;W[rd]WL[978.95]
;B[re]BL[60]OB[5]C[kmr [1d\]: now N14
myopian [4k\]: elvis has left the building
YZ1509 [4d\]: zen doesn't like to eat m12
]
;W[ik]WL[930.042]C[rsun [4d\]: I found a hungarian facebook page about this event
woodsxx: n14 not working
badmove: this was black's move
noob1d [5d?\]: strange o18 not played for so long
]
;B[je]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[id]WL[891.872]C[myopian [4k\]: if one side goes at ur, the pother side gets 2 moves somewhere else
rsun [4d\]: myopian do you use cgoban 3.5.20?
]
;B[nb]BL[60]OB[5]C[myopian [4k\]: y
rsun [4d\]: java 7?
myopian [4k\]: yyy
]
;W[nf]WL[852.584]C[rsun [4d\]: then I guess it's some hardware thing
myopian [4k\]: something about the libs i was told
]
;B[lf]BL[60]OB[5]C[rsun [4d\]: possible
myopian [4k\]: sound off is tolerable
]
;W[me]WL[802.926]C[myopian [4k\]: plus i like to watch movies while playing
rsun [4d\]: don't know if ffmpeg matters
rsun [4d\]: do you have that?
myopian [4k\]: i dont answer technical questions...
]
;B[le]BL[60]OB[5]C[Muttley [2k\]: s18
myopian [4k\]: ...because i dont know the answers :)
rsun [4d\]: it's a package that you can install
ss37 [4d\]: w can live in corner
]
;W[oa]WL[762.549]C[ftroiset [1d\]: only by ko
myopian [4k\]: i know i know, i think the issue id that kgs expects an older version of various libs
Muttley [2k\]: vot iz dizz moof?
rsun [4d\]: interesting
Muttley [2k\]: s18 all the same
]
;B[rb]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[rc]WL[757.38]C[bababobo [-\]: ffmpeg has an ad on to make movies
myopian [4k\]: any dan care to explain p19?
Muttley [2k\]: aand ko
Muttley [2k\]: 10,000 year ko I think#
Muttley [2k\]: maybe not
rsun [4d\]: maybe s17 better for points
]
;B[qb]BL[60]OB[5]C[Warfreak2 [-\]: in the grim darkness of the far future, there is only ko
Muttley [2k\]: yeah, looks like w just makes points this way
ftroiset [1d\]: 10000 years ko now for sure
noob1d [5d?\]: q18 
]
;W[pb]WL[720.502]C[rsun [4d\]: this isn't 10000 shape
ss37 [4d\]: so this ko for book?
Pettyx2 [2d\]: i always forget what is a 10000 years ko?
Warfreak2 [-\]: it's a ko which takes place nearer to the present day than the events of warhammer 40,000
]
;B[sd]BL[60]OB[5]C[myopian [4k\]: he who starts loses
Muttley [2k\]: s19 if you want to be dumb
rsun [4d\]: t18 direct ko
]
;W[bi]WL[681.432]C[Muttley [2k\]: zen lolmaster 1000
gogonuts [3d\]: b had a kill
noob1d [5d?\]: bots can troll too
]
;B[bh]BL[60]OB[5]C[Warfreak2 [-\]: w has cuts at r15 and o17 
gogonuts [3d\]: instead of s18 r19
Muttley [2k\]: zen's coming back to the ko, give it a moment
]
;W[sb]WL[643.829]C[gogonuts [3d\]: p19 neede to be at s18
noob1d [5d?\]: soon it will be offensive to call bots "it"
myopian [4k\]: i think ojima's gonna be doing a lot of programming after this
noob1d [5d?\]: it will hurt their feelings
]
;B[ra]BL[60]OB[5]C[peanatsu [1d\]: just because they have feelings doesnt imply they have a gender
]
;W[qa]WL[636.534]C[Closemiss [2d\]: good point
]
;B[pa]BL[60]OB[5]C[abyss: so they re angels
YZ1509 [4d\]: could zen have figured he can't lose this ko, or that IT gets enough compensation anyhow
noob1d [5d?\]: yes but who are you to say they don't have a gender
Muttley [2k\]: gotta love the way w reduced all of black's territory to zilch
myopian [4k\]: bacteria have feelings, seriously
Muttley [2k\]: no they don't
rsun [4d\]: ojima doesn't work on zen
gogonuts [3d\]: if b had found r18 against p19, could that have turned the game?
Cool [1k\]: r15 
Muttley [2k\]: they don't have a CNS
rsun [4d\]: he created it and went off to do sth else
myopian [4k\]: they shy away from nasty chemicals and wriggle towards nice ones
gogonuts [3d\]: ur sure rsun?
]
;W[pf]WL[591.923]C[rsun [4d\]: hideki told me
Muttley [2k\]: that's simply motoric, as in a chemical reaction
myopian [4k\]: so are feelings
Muttley [2k\]: heh, ok :)
myopian [4k\]: read my book!
abyss: give a link
]
;B[qf]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[qa]WL[591.174]C[Muttley [2k\]: you got me on the scale argument
noob1d [5d?\]: b to play and lose
Muttley [2k\]: you just don't win these sorts of ko as black
]
;B[ib]BL[60]OB[5]C[myopian [4k\]: http://lcipm.blogspot.com.au/
Muttley [2k\]: nope, we don't tenuki
Closemiss [2d\]: but there is some nice points to be had
Closemiss [2d\]: *are
noob1d [5d?\]: zen19s is emotionally attached to f17 stones
]
;W[hb]WL[553.978]C[theolddan [2d\]: yes his pride
]
;B[pa]BL[60]OB[5]C[abyss: thank you, myopian
Muttley [2k\]: which one is the book?
gogonuts [3d\]: f16/f17 are the crown jewels of ws empire
myopian [4k\]: comments welcome, even nasty ones so long as they have some basis
]
;W[el]WL[506.065]C[kmr [1d\]: LSD teacher would win this ko with either black or white.
rsun [4d\]: ojima writing rpg games now
noob1d [5d?\]: lol
Closemiss [2d\]: ...
rsun [4d\]: earn much more $
oTeao [-\]: ...
Muttley [2k\]: FPS, rsun
theolddan [2d\]: m10 also
]
;B[qa]BL[60]OB[5]C[noob1d [5d?\]: w starts late yose early
gogonuts [3d\]: then ojima is a real genius
myopian [4k\]: all over now?
noob1d [5d?\]: b6 
Muttley [2k\]: oh dear, is the bottom left going to die now?
]
;W[dm]WL[468.945]C[gogonuts [3d\]: he saw the long dark road from here to pro strength
theolddan [2d\]: one could go as far as saying w has devoted 25 stones to surround them
rsun [4d\]: lol
Kobor42 [?\]: b66 j4
K5 [5k?\]: no, j4 is there
ss37 [4d\]: no hope
]
;B[cm]BL[60]OB[5]C[Muttley [2k\]: ai ee :)) thanks
theolddan [2d\]: the road is dark: but then the light is at the very end
Closemiss [2d\]: seems hard to kick out all eyes on the side in sente
Muttley [2k\]: Totally off topic, but Chris Squire was an amazing bassist
]
;W[bl]WL[419.491]C[Closemiss [2d\]: lol
noob1d [5d?\]: w playing very bad now
Muttley [2k\]: (sorry, I'm listening to Gates of Delirium for the millionth time :)
]
;B[bm]BL[60]OB[5]C[ftroiset [1d\]: looks bad, but just making sure of winning...
theolddan [2d\]: w still on the dark side of the road to stay in the image
noob1d [5d?\]: s10 will be big
]
;W[lr]WL[369.39]
;B[rn]BL[60]OB[5]C[ss37 [4d\]: so, w is winning anyway?
myopian [4k\]: can anyone count?
ftroiset [1d\]: actually , w is 15 pts ahead
myopian [4k\]: that was quick!
noob1d [5d?\]: yes w is winning
noob1d [5d?\]: amazing
Muttley [2k\]: b 49, w 74.5
Woods [6d\]: Dachs AI Challenge István Rigó 3dan vs Zen19S
]
;W[mc]WL[320.969]C[ss37 [4d\]: so, w just didn't care about r17 group
myopian [4k\]: you owe us a drink each if youre wrong mr M
Muttley [2k\]: deal
Pettyx2 [2d\]: which dan is zen right now?
noob1d [5d?\]: so now w will start playing bad moves to make it closer?
Muttley [2k\]: you all owe me a drink if I'm right
noob1d [5d?\]: bots like to win by 0,5 point
Muttley [2k\]: 167 observers :)
myopian [4k\]: fair enough :)
Closemiss [2d\]: ouch
]
;B[mb]BL[60]OB[5]C[myopian [4k\]: you have to drink them all on the same night
ftroiset [1d\]: and thisd is not small
gghideki [2k?\]: noob1d, it's wrong.  MoGo only
Muttley [2k\]: been there, done that
Muttley [2k\]: got the liver to prove it
myopian [4k\]: thats an oxymoron...
]
;W[qn]WL[283.284]
;B[qo]BL[60]OB[5]C[noob1d [5d?\]: s4 s9 ?
noob1d [5d?\]: would be fun
Muttley [2k\]: n16 is sente isn't it?
Pettyx2 [2d\]: i don't think oxy has anything to do with it 
]
;W[rk]WL[241.649]C[noob1d [5d?\]: w is careful, good
Muttley [2k\]: good spot
]
;B[rm]BL[60]OB[5]C[theolddan [2d\]: n16 threat
myopian [4k\]: n16 only a ko threat
Nena2 [9k\]: B4 still open?
noob1d [5d?\]: seems almost impossible for b to win now
]
;W[rl]WL[202.943]
;B[rp]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[gk]WL[150.858]C[Muttley [2k\]: since b tenuki the n2 stones its probably more than 25 now
Muttley [2k\]: I had it pegged at w+25.5
myopian [4k\]: mine's a whisky
Muttley [2k\]: hi gghideki :)
]
;B[oo]BL[60]OB[5]C[Muttley [2k\]: nice version of zen
]
;W[no]WL[101.224]C[myopian [4k\]: how strong is Zen PC?
Muttley [2k\]: 3d?
woodsxx: 3-4 or so
myopian [4k\]: wow...
]
;B[pn]BL[60]OB[5]C[woodsxx: Rita had kinda easy game against it,tho at some point it was really close
myopian [4k\]: will it run under .wine?
Muttley [2k\]: how old is Rita, woods?
]
;W[pm]WL[64.241]C[Muttley [2k\]: She still looks like a teenager :))
woodsxx: We dont ask such a question from a lady:)
Muttley [2k\]: I'm no gentleman :0
Muttley [2k\]: but no worries
]
;B[gj]BL[60]OB[5]C[woodsxx: 1/4 century
Muttley [2k\]: heh, ok :)
myopian [4k\]: i can't remember that
woodsxx: over
myopian [4k\]: or the half
]
;W[fj]WL[14.993]C[woodsxx: btw 27
Muttley [2k\]: okies
woodsxx: But yeah,still looks like a teen
]
;B[gi]BL[60]OB[5]C[woodsxx: :)
Muttley [2k\]: I was still being asked if I was a student when I was 25 :))
myopian [4k\]: how old is youngest pro?
]
;W[di]WL[60]OW[5]C[Muttley [2k\]: 15?
Muttley [2k\]: there may be younger
]
;B[ch]BL[60]OB[5]C[Pettyx2 [2d\]: 15 seems old
Haskell [2k\]: time to capture n2 stones
Muttley [2k\]: n2 - 8 points double gote
myopian [4k\]: think there' was a korean 14 y.o. pro
]
;W[nc]WL[60]OW[5]C[Muttley [2k\]: you can push it to 10 points sente ish if you like :)
]
;B[lc]BL[60]OB[5]C[woodsxx: cho chikun became pro around 11-12?
]
;W[rg]WL[60]OW[5]C[Muttley [2k\]: sigh ko
theolddan [2d\]: s13 really nasty
]
;B[si]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[rj]WL[60]OW[5]C[sykta: how so ?
]
;B[pe]BL[60]OB[5]C[ftroiset [1d\]: eeven nastier this way
Muttley [2k\]: makes connecting sente at the top?
myopian [4k\]: all 6d moves are nasty
theolddan [2d\]: b has to give them
]
;W[of]WL[60]OW[5]C[theolddan [2d\]: but he strongly disklikes it
ftroiset [1d\]: complete disaster
myopian [4k\]: t14?
]
;B[rf]BL[60]OB[5]C[olyv [8k\]: n16
Pettyx2 [2d\]: o.o
]
;W[nd]WL[60]OW[5]C[theolddan [2d\]: getting worse
KoriG [13k?\]: hmmmmmm
bert [?\]: b is smart
Muttley [2k\]: wooodear
ftroiset [1d\]: w wins this semeai
ss37 [4d\]: oops
theolddan [2d\]: but doesnt matter any more
Pettyx2 [2d\]: why b couldn't capture the 2 stones?
Elvis [2k\]: w wins even without this
Muttley [2k\]: seki possibly
Muttley [2k\]: bub fighting for that
bert [?\]: who says the torture never stops?
Muttley [2k\]: hard game, thank you both
myopian [4k\]: no horizon effect today
Woods [6d\]: Thank you for watching!
bert [?\]: thank you
coconut [3k\]: sure q15 dead first ?
Pettyx2 [2d\]: there were so many viewers xD
Woods [6d\]: Overall result: 2-1 for the humans:)
myopian [4k\]: any1 gonna review?
Muttley [2k\]: you have to be kidding :)
Muttley [2k\]: are there any more games, Woods?
coconut [3k\]: Hard both !
Woods [6d\]: Nope,thats all for this even:)
bert [?\]: t*
myopian [4k\]: anyone 6d" i mean, oh, ok
Woods [6d\]: But you can check all the 3 games
Woods [6d\]: In my game list
myopian [4k\]: game 2 features in my next movie, coming to a theatre near you soon
Woods [6d\]: Thank you again everyone,hope you all enjoyed!
Agnes30 [17k?\]: Köszönjük!
Woods [6d\]: See you maybe next year!
Woods [6d\]: Szívesen:)
superpal1 [2d\]: finally roln is back
SiaTex [4k\]: t15 ?
SiaTex [4k\]: ohh games over
daniblitz [1k\]: does zen learn as it's playing?
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