(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]OT[5x40 byo-yomi]
PW[fj]PB[Zen19S]WR[6d]DT[2015-10-24]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Zen19S [-\]: GTP Engine for Zen19S (black): Zen version 10.4d13
fj [6d\]: enjoy^^
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[pd]BL[3580.567]C[gghideki [?\]: gg
]
;W[dp]WL[3591.473]
;B[pp]BL[3555.323]
;W[de]WL[3586.211]C[GoIngo [30k?\]: hello everybody
]
;B[pj]BL[3521.529]C[GoIngo [30k?\]: wellcome to round 3 of the codecentric Go Challenge 2015
]
;W[nq]WL[3571.924]C[GoldenBear [1d\]: I could not have said it any better!
]
;B[jp]BL[3489.664]C[GoIngo [30k?\]: ;-)
matemato [3k\]: hi, a quick question: is fj playing on a real board, or on the screen? 
GoIngo [30k?\]: on his pc screen
GoIngo [30k?\]: but at homne with Bach music in background
matemato [3k\]: Rita Pocsai was playing on a board,  with someone sitting there and transmitting Zen's moves
matemato [3k\]: i wonder if it makes any difference...
GoIngo [30k?\]: we have minimum organisation overhead ;-)
]
;W[qq]WL[3429.525]C[GoldenBear [1d\]: ... only from your point of view, Ingo :-)
GoIngo [30k?\]: also from fj's
]
;B[pq]BL[3463.702]
;W[qp]WL[3426.725]
;B[po]BL[3463.052]
;W[pr]WL[3425.551]
;B[or]BL[3462.407]
;W[qr]WL[3424.068]
;B[oq]BL[3438]
;W[qn]WL[3423.148]C[GoldenBear [1d\]: FJ cannot deny his DNA. Grab territory and give influence to the bot.
nosonoio [1k\]:  you did choose zen opponent mostly because of his pic didn't you?
]
;B[jd]BL[3405.63]
;W[ec]WL[3389.98]C[nosonoio [1k\]: I mean it's wonderful having a gorilla fighitng with a cluster
]
;B[fq]BL[3379.276]C[GoldenBear [1d\]: King Kong against the machine. We all know who won that one!
GoIngo [30k?\]: last year it did fit even better:
GoIngo [30k?\]: CrazyStone has an account called bonobot
]
;W[cn]WL[3362.219]C[GoIngo [30k?\]: which is similar to bonobo
nosonoio [1k\]: ^^
]
;B[om]BL[3354.882]C[Mneme [1k\]: hi GoIngo
GoIngo [30k?\]: hi
matemato [3k\]: already moyo starting
GoIngo [30k?\]: question to experts:
GoIngo [30k?\]: did zen respond correctly to fj's 3,3 move?
ChristianB [5k?\]: no 
GoldenBear [1d\]: That was joseki
shiroto [6k?\]: was a pretty standard sequence
GoIngo [30k?\]: during round 2 there was a kib claiming that zen did answer wrongly to early 3,3
Mneme [1k\]: hi ghidedki  and goodluck
GoldenBear [1d\]: I only wondered that Black did not play P7 right away.
]
;W[dj]WL[3216.97]C[GoldenBear [1d\]: But Black's play in the lower right was standard and very influence oriented.
androgo [1d\]: I wish I had that coolness
]
;B[fo]BL[3320.518]
;W[eq]WL[3208.03]C[GoIngo [30k?\]: who's coolness?
]
;B[fr]BL[3319.718]C[androgo [1d\]: I normaly panick facing big moyos
matemato [3k\]: it is hard to beat Zen in a game of influence...
androgo [1d\]: w playing d10
]
;W[fm]WL[3194.318]C[GoldenBear [1d\]: White has a moyo of his own on the left. It's just smaller.
]
;B[ji]BL[3284.557]C[GoIngo [30k?\]: 6.5 points smaller?
GoldenBear [1d\]: Much smaller. But White also has the only definite territory.
]
;W[qm]WL[3170.503]C[Moshon [1k\]: 61.5 smaller
GoIngo [30k?\]: ;-)
]
;B[gc]BL[3248.37]C[GoldenBear [1d\]: Ingo, is Crazy Stone running?
GoldenBear [1d\]: We need an expert opinion on the score!
GoIngo [30k?\]: yes
]
;W[nc]WL[3140.544]C[GoIngo [30k?\]: 49.8 percent for black
GoIngo [30k?\]: says Crazystone
]
;B[oc]BL[3222.645]
;W[nd]WL[3136.532]C[Mneme [1k\]: o17 looks like superdangerous
GoldenBear [1d\]: Seems reasonable. Nothing happened up to now that should have disturbed the balance
]
;B[pf]BL[3196.581]C[GoldenBear [1d\]: o17 is not dangerous. there's ample space.
]
;W[kc]WL[3112.667]
;B[jc]BL[3172.107]
;W[kd]WL[3108.14]
;B[ke]BL[3171.519]
;W[le]WL[3105.279]C[GoIngo [30k?\]: will this become a blitz game today?
GoldenBear [1d\]: FJ seems to try to place invasion groups in such a manner that the Black moyo gets fragmented.
]
;B[lf]BL[3147.409]
;W[jb]WL[3104.132]
;B[ib]BL[3122.674]
;W[ic]WL[3102.315]C[GoldenBear [1d\]: But again - FJs DNA forces him to seek territory and safety near the edges :-)
GoIngo [30k?\]: and preparing lots of "independent" locval fights
]
;B[id]BL[3096.913]
;W[kb]WL[3096.185]C[GoIngo [30k?\]: will become dangerous for Zen
]
;B[ff]BL[3062.02]C[GoldenBear [1d\]: Not yet, Ingo. Zen should like the position up to now.
TANITOV [3k\]: White is Zen?
matemato [3k\]: local fights should be good for fj
androgo [1d\]: Zen is B
]
;W[hc]WL[3063.919]C[TANITOV [3k\]: thx
]
;B[hd]BL[3050.222]C[klausP [?\]: and tenuki
]
;W[dg]WL[3045.763]C[GoIngo [30k?\]: yes, goldenB, but I look into future
klausP [?\]: seems ok for w
]
;B[hl]BL[3019.163]C[klausP [?\]: Zen will have broblems with the aji in the upper left side
klausP [?\]: and use lots of playouts for this
GoIngo [30k?\]: cs likes black here: 52 %
klausP [?\]: thats another good argument for fj: 52 is not much
GoldenBear [1d\]: Thanks Ingo. Keep posting watermarks, please!
GoIngo [30k?\]: expecting h18
klausP [?\]: h18 wont be played w save there
androgo [1d\]: B's moyo is 50+ points
GoldenBear [1d\]: H18 will probably be the first open local fight that will pester Zen's playouts for a long time.
GoldenBear [1d\]: We know that Zen can play well with its own moyos. But what about Whites moyo on the left? Are the bots good at invasions?
GoIngo [30k?\]: is there a way to find out if a human plays anti-bot style conciously or un-conciuosly?
matemato [3k\]: i have no idea what i would play as w now
matemato [3k\]: so many options
matemato [3k\]: and i am so weak...
GoIngo [30k?\]: ha, vyou and your 3k - what shall I say?
GoldenBear [1d\]: You have ten times as many Kyus under your belt, Ingo!
androgo [1d\]: n7 and then wh7 and crosscut?
GoIngo [30k?\]: yes, I am a big kyu-hunter ;-)
matemato [3k\]: we'd better not say anything :)
matemato [3k\]: just watch and pray for fj...
GoIngo [30k?\]: kgs is a free country with right of free speech
GoldenBear [1d\]: Well, the less kyus - or dans - you have, the more you know that you actually don't know anything ;-)
miao [6d\]: acutally no golgo
]
;W[nr]WL[2671.491]C[klausP [?\]: wow
miao [6d\]: safe option
]
;B[ns]BL[2993.074]
;W[ms]WL[2657.484]C[klausP [?\]: tis is save?
miao [6d\]: yes
]
;B[os]BL[2967.43]C[miao [6d\]: kind of :)
Ahamay [5d?\]: nabend
]
;W[lr]WL[2632.257]C[sprouts [1d\]: These shapes though
GoIngo [30k?\]: hi benny
miao [6d\]: abend^^
]
;B[mq]BL[2939.297]C[sprouts [1d\]: Guten Mittag ouo
miao [6d\]: h18 is actually huge
GoldenBear [1d\]: Why do you think so, miao?
]
;W[mp]WL[2590.108]C[klausP [?\]: noch mal : w lebt hier sicher??
degiri [?\]: miao [6d\]: kind of :)
miao [6d\]: weiß
]
;B[np]BL[2913.36]
;W[mr]WL[2586.218]C[miao [6d\]: aber kommt nicht mehr in die mitte
miao [6d\]: von der seite aus
miao [6d\]: und nur 2 Punkte
]
;B[lq]BL[2887.477]C[sprouts [1d\]: Vielleicht opfert w um noch mehr Profit zu machen 
]
;W[no]WL[2580.317]C[miao [6d\]: wie?
sprouts [1d\]: Sterben aber...sicher nicht! :D
]
;B[op]BL[2871.504]
;W[kq]WL[2572.421]C[GoldenBear [1d\]: Das sind wieder Formen zu abgewöhnen...
]
;B[lp]BL[2860.978]C[miao [6d\]: ich gebe weiß 80% zu leben
]
;W[kp]WL[2564.071]
;B[lo]BL[2860.26]C[GoIngo [30k?\]: crazys likes black here, with 54+ %
klausP [?\]: na das ist aber nicht sicher
]
;W[jr]WL[2543.693]
;B[ko]BL[2854.73]C[miao [6d\]: recht sicher
miao [6d\]: vielleicht sofgar mehr
miao [6d\]: l1 lebt
Ahamay [5d?\]: safe enough :)
miao [6d\]: z.b.
theolddan [2d\]: looks like people use different preferences in giving probabilities...
klausP [?\]: ok seh ich ein
GoldenBear [1d\]: When there is one thing these bots can do, it is to keep dead groups dead.
]
;W[jo]WL[2489.031]C[klausP [?\]: L1 k3 j2 ist aber nicht so dolle für w
GoIngo [30k?\]: crazys is not people, but bot
theolddan [2d\]: zen schweigt und lacht?
klausP [?\]: deswegen will er hier mehr
]
;B[jq]BL[2827.673]
;W[kr]WL[2484.104]
;B[ir]BL[2802.205]C[sinsai [3d\]: lol
klausP [?\]: oh
]
;W[iq]WL[2474.195]C[theolddan [2d\]: hmm könnte schnell zu ende sein hier
]
;B[ip]BL[2776.275]
;W[hq]WL[2471.629]
;B[hr]BL[2775.592]C[androgo [1d\]: das nimmt kein gutes Ende
GoldenBear [1d\]: Ich glaube, wir können heute früh heimgehen.
GoldenBear [1d\]: irgendwer hat sich geirrt.
Mneme [1k\]: I'm not strong enough but for me white is quite dead
klausP [?\]: nö
theolddan [2d\]: thats strong enough
klausP [?\]: ich mag w
GoIngo [30k?\]: cs looks for h18 again, with 52 % for Black
theolddan [2d\]: hat w noch einen plan? ich sehe da nichts
klausP [?\]: k6, n4 und so?
kmr [1d\]: looks bad for both
GoldenBear [1d\]: ! :-)
]
;W[jn]WL[2360.281]C[Ahamay [5d?\]: kaum guckt man mal ne minute weg...
GoIngo [30k?\]: for both or for bot?
GoldenBear [1d\]: both!
kmr [1d\]: both ;)
]
;B[js]BL[2751.042]C[Mneme [1k\]: mistake ?
]
;W[hp]WL[2345.524]C[Ahamay [5d?\]: also ich persönlich sterbe ja ehrlich gesagt nicht so gerne....
]
;B[io]BL[2726.076]C[GoldenBear [1d\]: W muss jetzt opfern.
klausP [?\]: sieht man deinen partien gar nicht an
]
;W[in]WL[2336.536]C[Ahamay [5d?\]: :p
GoldenBear [1d\]: Aber reicht es, sich einfach nur ins Moyo reinzufressen?
goodminton [4d\]: das wird teuer
sprouts [1d\]: Seht ihr, ich hatte recht :3
theolddan [2d\]: für ein opfer gibt es was; aber was gibt es hier?
]
;B[ho]BL[2701.611]
;W[go]WL[2335.047]C[GoldenBear [1d\]: K6 kann nach außn anbinden
GoldenBear [1d\]: das ist nicht viel
]
;B[hn]BL[2676.696]
;W[hm]WL[2333.852]C[theolddan [2d\]: gegen 29 pts cash
androgo [1d\]: find's ok
klausP [?\]: na ja, außer p1 hane hat w hier nicht so viel verzockt
]
;B[gn]BL[2652.03]
;W[fn]WL[2332.384]C[androgo [1d\]: mit m6 ....
Ahamay [5d?\]: imo better for black
klausP [?\]: w hat sente
]
;B[gp]BL[2627.39]
;W[gm]WL[2330.677]C[theolddan [2d\]: w wird noch ein bischen spielen
theolddan [2d\]: erspart das zählen
GoldenBear [1d\]: I think that simply playing H7 - instead of O2 etc - would have been the better option for White.
degiri [?\]: zählen bietet sich gerade an
]
;B[gq]BL[2601.169]
;W[kn]WL[2325.089]C[klausP [?\]: in der tat
theolddan [2d\]: zählen ist stress
GoldenBear [1d\]: Was sagt CS?
Mneme [1k\]: not m6 ?
theolddan [2d\]: lieber spielen
androgo [1d\]: ja, wieso nicht m6?
]
;B[jl]BL[2575.617]C[klausP [?\]: oh
]
;W[ln]WL[2313.055]C[sprouts [1d\]: Uff
NiceGoAuth [-\]: at least NiceGo does not like B too much after this:) 52%
GoIngo [30k?\]: cs at 51 % for black
]
;B[mo]BL[2565.656]
;W[mn]WL[2311.19]C[degiri [?\]: immer noch?
]
;B[mp]BL[2541.502]C[GoldenBear [1d\]: Blacks form may be terrible, but it is not even Sente for W.
sprouts [1d\]: Why do you have your bots set on this? Is it a tournament or something?
androgo [1d\]: p6?
GoldenBear [1d\]: this is the codecentric go challenge
NiceGoAuth [-\]: thinks left side has still number of invasion points
GoldenBear [1d\]: see go.codecentric.de
GoIngo [30k?\]: cs: 53 % for black
sprouts [1d\]: OK I will thks
klausP [?\]: j8
GoIngo [30k?\]: expecting j8
klausP [?\]: of course
klausP [?\]: looks ok for w to me
klausP [?\]: 31 points for b here
]
;W[il]WL[2170.465]C[GoIngo [30k?\]: so, habe est mal wildkirsche likör eingeworfen ;-)
]
;B[ik]BL[2515.095]C[GoIngo [30k?\]: erst mal
]
;W[im]WL[2166.351]C[GoldenBear [1d\]: Fuel or doping?
klausP [?\]: gib Zen auch einen
GoIngo [30k?\]: for calming down
theolddan [2d\]: einen doppelten für fj
GoldenBear [1d\]: Oh... I see...
]
;B[cc]BL[2485.719]C[GoldenBear [1d\]: We have seen how Zen handled an invasion. Now let's see how he does invading.
Mneme [1k\]: c17 is a bit strange but looks interesting
GoIngo [30k?\]: has only 16 % alcohol
theolddan [2d\]: good old san san
Ootakamoku [-\]: sansan never fails, except when it does
]
;W[dc]WL[2100.58]C[GoldenBear [1d\]: Sorry. Zen is "it", obviously. I did not want to insult the machine.
]
;B[eh]BL[2460.333]
;W[eg]WL[2090.566]C[theolddan [2d\]: it will connect to the net and get back to you
Ootakamoku [-\]: could be transgender..
]
;B[fg]BL[2436.356]
;W[ee]WL[2045.366]C[GoIngo [30k?\]: bambambusbus
androgo [1d\]: bambooboo
]
;B[fi]BL[2403.268]C[klausP [?\]: if c17 dies like this, its nice for w
theolddan [2d\]: c17 looks lonely
GoldenBear [1d\]: Well, G18 is now sente for B
]
;W[dh]WL[2004.228]C[GoldenBear [1d\]: But I don't know if Zen knows this :-)
]
;B[ej]BL[2378.614]C[klausP [?\]: w still has g16 cut, if he gets h18
]
;W[ek]WL[1983.395]
;B[fk]BL[2376.174]C[klausP [?\]: so h18 ist real big by now
GoIngo [30k?\]: hmm, crazy claimed h18 to be necessary
theolddan [2d\]: b is convinced that his center will win
]
;W[el]WL[1972.307]C[Ahamay [5d?\]: H18 also secures the top right corner
rs220675 [1d\]: @theolddan: b will fail^^
]
;B[dr]BL[2347.315]C[Ahamay [5d?\]: so it's still amazingly big
GoldenBear [1d\]: D2 looks too small.
GoldenBear [1d\]: TO me.
GoldenBear [1d\]: There's nothing going on in the lower left.
theolddan [2d\]: b would g18 instead of taking wouldnt he
theolddan [2d\]: ?
GoIngo [30k?\]: 55 % after h18
GoIngo [30k?\]: 60 % otherwise
]
;W[hb]WL[1914.164]C[Ahamay [5d?\]: I agree, top right center area looks bigger
GoIngo [30k?\]: acording to cs
]
;B[gb]BL[2343.638]
;W[ia]WL[1912.536]C[Ahamay [5d?\]: but maybe D2 is easier
theolddan [2d\]: now w can invade ur 
notMe [1k\]: this prepares for r17?
]
;B[me]BL[2310.87]C[matemato [3k\]: well. i like w in this position
kmr [1d\]: white will tenuki i think
]
;W[gd]WL[1896.871]
;B[ge]BL[2310.276]
;W[fd]WL[1893.704]
;B[ld]BL[2287.142]C[goodminton [4d\]: mit den bambussen und h18 hatta wieda boden gut gemacht - gut so
]
;W[nb]WL[1886.387]
;B[qk]BL[2262.597]C[GoldenBear [1d\]: If Black loses this, remember D2...
matemato [3k\]: i cannot imagine b has enough
]
;W[qc]WL[1846.55]C[GoIngo [30k?\]: cs at 57 % noe
androgo [1d\]: SE: b+27
]
;B[pc]BL[2237.877]
;W[rd]WL[1838.3]C[Ahamay [5d?\]: actually I feel like blacks lead increased somehow
GoIngo [30k?\]: mentioning se costs 5 Euro in Macho cassa
GoldenBear [1d\]: Never ...  again ... mention ... SE ... in this chat!!! ;-)
androgo [1d\]: hehe
kmr [1d\]: SE has pro judgement...or even better ;)
]
;B[qe]BL[2212.796]
;W[pb]WL[1826.89]
;B[ob]BL[2209.838]C[goodminton [4d\]: r9 was somewhat lukewarm has less effect on s5 than r 8 for example
GoldenBear [1d\]: Black needs some 50 points in the center to win. Maybe more. Is this feasible?
phoenix4y [5k\]: hey, asking SE had some value. at least we now know that it for sure won't end b+27
]
;W[qb]WL[1796.424]C[GoIngo [30k?\]: cs thinks so
]
;B[cq]BL[2178.253]C[goodminton [4d\]: o19
theolddan [2d\]: c3 always underestimated
theolddan [2d\]: but not from zen
GoIngo [30k?\]: cs expects q12 now
GoldenBear [1d\]: I don't :-)
]
;W[re]WL[1728.688]C[androgo [1d\]: nor do I
sprouts [1d\]: He's already in crazy anxious mode
]
;B[rf]BL[2154.072]
;W[mk]WL[1725.834]C[GoIngo [30k?\]: but the histogram looks still gauss stlyle
tom26 [7k\]: Hey, just arrived - what's the consensus? This looks really nice for white if black can't get in on the left...
androgo [1d\]: n9 is how many point endgame?
]
;B[mj]BL[2129.635]C[Ahamay [5d?\]: I think black is doing just fine
]
;W[nk]WL[1712.055]C[GoldenBear [1d\]: N10 is a move just bots can play...
Ahamay [5d?\]: no high dan players too :p
]
;B[lk]BL[2104.113]C[goodminton [4d\]: c3 is like saying i am in the lead and just play the endgame thats a little slack (and false) i think
]
;W[ll]WL[1699.239]C[Ahamay [5d?\]: well not L9 though :)
]
;B[lj]BL[2077.81]
;W[cp]WL[1687.52]C[GoldenBear [1d\]: goodminton: I agree. Zen is confident of winning. Its calm moves show just this.
]
;B[rl]BL[2047.774]C[woebegone [4k\]: Ahamay, how strong do you estimate yourself? 6d?
GoldenBear [1d\]: Doesn't mean it has to be true, though.
matemato [3k\]: i don't think b is winning
]
;W[on]WL[1651.316]C[GoIngo [30k?\]: cs sees 52 % for black
Ahamay [5d?\]: woebegone: yeah weaker EGF 6d
Moshon [1k\]: what is cs?
]
;B[nm]BL[2015.276]C[androgo [1d\]: cs=crazystone
tom26 [7k\]: and how do you know what the cs is? 
GoIngo [30k?\]: crazybsrone
theolddan [2d\]: a couple of 10 pts+ moves still there
GoIngo [30k?\]: french bot
tom26 [7k\]: ooh
GoIngo [30k?\]: stone
androgo [1d\]: hm, o10 works
androgo [1d\]: that's bad news
goodminton [4d\]: p4 has a liberty too much
GoldenBear [1d\]: CS is brother of SE. CS normally doesn't talk as much bullshit as SE does. 
woebegone [4k\]: wow... well, egf 6d is rather 7d here i guess
androgo [1d\]: p6 losing move?
GoIngo [30k?\]: big brother ...
GoldenBear [1d\]: I don't know which brother is older.
NiceGoAuth [-\]: r5?
GoIngo [30k?\]: older may not be bigger
]
;W[mm]WL[1515.957]C[Schachus12 [5k\]: what do you mean o10 works? o10 for whom?
goodminton [4d\]: ?
androgo [1d\]: o10 missclick - I mean o7 ...
]
;B[pn]BL[1982.46]C[Schachus12 [5k\]: ah, ok ;)
GoIngo [30k?\]: cs now approaching 60 % for B
]
;W[nn]WL[1487.908]C[NiceGoAuth [-\]: NiceGo too:)
androgo [1d\]: oh ...
matemato [3k\]: well, this sequence was certainly bad for w
]
;B[pm]BL[1957.913]
;W[rm]WL[1483.743]C[Ahamay [5d?\]: it's not a big lead, but a solid one somehow
sprouts [1d\]: ;( poor humanity
]
;B[qo]BL[1933.076]
;W[ro]WL[1481.986]C[GoldenBear [1d\]: Humanity created Go. And Zen. And FJ. We're doing fine :-)
GoIngo [30k?\]: and KGS ;-)
]
;B[na]BL[1908.334]C[woebegone [4k\]: but go was a gift by god
theolddan [2d\]: o19 and b3 the last big ones
]
;W[pa]WL[1463.487]
;B[oa]BL[1900.638]
;W[mb]WL[1461.223]C[sprouts [1d\]: So you agree that AI is just the evolution of humanity, not it's counterplayer (at since point)?
sprouts [1d\]: Some*
MooDoGo [4k\]: w j10
woebegone [4k\]: c17 simply dead?
Ahamay [5d?\]: B3 in sente, then G8
]
;B[lc]BL[1872.031]
;W[lb]WL[1456.754]C[woebegone [4k\]: i mean unconditionally
Moshon [1k\]: as you can in this game, computers just want to kill humans
GoIngo [30k?\]: cs sees 67 % for B now
goodminton [4d\]: and all because of (a possibly premature) o2
]
;B[nl]BL[1840.729]C[paznewman [3k\]: Evolution doesn't exclude extinction
]
;W[ql]WL[1446.46]C[GoldenBear [1d\]: Is now FJ playing panic moves?
]
;B[ml]BL[1815.808]C[sprouts [1d\]: I mean human evolution, else you are right of course
goodminton [4d\]: that was a little like a strong player trying handi-technique on a strong player and fail
]
;W[pl]WL[1404.306]
;B[ok]BL[1811.99]C[theolddan [2d\]: its like a little brown bear thinking he is a grizzly
]
;W[bq]WL[1398.003]C[woebegone [4k\]: goodminton, nice pun name
]
;B[br]BL[1786.797]
;W[dq]WL[1395.717]
;B[cr]BL[1786.054]
;W[sf]WL[1386.243]
;B[sg]BL[1772.174]
;W[se]WL[1383.218]C[zappafrank [2k\]: woebegone, you got your name from Garrison Keillor?
]
;B[qd]BL[1746.514]C[goodminton [4d\]: ^^  i see b like 12 in the lead
]
;W[rb]WL[1376.899]
;B[qg]BL[1716.016]C[woebegone [4k\]: no, i wanted to pick woebegotten, one of my fav english words, but it was too long for kgs
]
;W[rk]WL[1356.438]
;B[rj]BL[1690.893]C[woebegone [4k\]: the inspiration came from a Tom Waits song
goodminton [4d\]: with b4 open its about miai
GoldenBear [1d\]: Another thing we can conclude pretty certain: FJ didn't play an Anti-bot-strategy. Neither consciously nor unconsciously.
]
;W[sl]WL[1313.793]C[sprouts [1d\]: But s9 is bigger
theolddan [2d\]: so b4 and finish it
]
;B[eo]BL[1665.538]C[Moshon [1k\]: maybe he tried with e17-d15
]
;W[bp]WL[1294.96]
;B[do]BL[1641.278]C[zappafrank [2k\]: Garrison Keillor has in every Saturday "Prairie Home Companion" show a section "news from Lake Wobegon (or Weobegone)", for the last 25+ years
]
;W[co]WL[1287.508]C[tom26 [7k\]: How did white go from winning to suddenly losing? Something around O7 I didn't understand...
woebegone [4k\]: i think that's without e
woebegone [4k\]: :-)
]
;B[en]BL[1615.505]
;W[em]WL[1280.895]C[tom26 [7k\]: Sorry, white wasn't winning, but it seemed even, at least from the esteemed commentary of KGS :)
Ahamay [6d?\]: I think black was better all the time :p
GoldenBear [1d\]: Ingo, CS' opinion?
]
;B[dn]BL[1590.627]C[tom26 [7k\]: lol
]
;W[dm]WL[1273.869]C[sprouts [1d\]: Kibits is the most reliable source to know the outcome, true
]
;B[ef]BL[1565.685]
;W[df]WL[1264.1]C[androgo [1d\]: average kibitz and SE and you're fine
GoIngo [30k?\]: 65 %
GoldenBear [1d\]: Now this is a lesson to take home: Never be afraid of completed squares: E5, N4, P4. If you have three of those and still win, this must be good form!
]
;B[kl]BL[1540.914]C[Ahamay [6d?\]: I think G8 was bigger
Ahamay [6d?\]: because of white G9
]
;W[er]WL[1240.14]C[Ahamay [6d?\]: but shouldn't matter anymore
woebegone [4k\]: ko?
]
;B[es]BL[1515.972]
;W[ar]WL[1238.882]C[gogonuts [3d\]: who's winning?
Schachus12 [5k\]: where?I cant see any ko 
Ahamay [5d?\]: D1
GoIngo [30k?\]: nuts, you are late
gogonuts [3d\]: w invasion looked so nice, and yet ...
woebegone [4k\]: i thought d1
gogonuts [3d\]: sry, ingo
theolddan [2d\]: w d1 will not happen
]
;B[gl]BL[1480.958]C[theolddan [2d\]: or will it?
]
;W[di]WL[1229.142]C[goodminton [4d\]: ooh
woebegone [4k\]: go for the ko
GoldenBear [1d\]: :-)
matemato [3k\]: ko!
Schachus12 [5k\]: Now it would be a try
Schachus12 [5k\]: to reverse things
androgo [1d\]: last chance
]
;B[ei]BL[1456.34]C[tom26 [7k\]: ko for it!
theolddan [2d\]: the old threat counting is on again
degiri [?\]: count first
NiceGoAuth [-\]: what is the staus of top left, if b starts playing with b16?
Schachus12 [5k\]: If w is behind anyway he should play the ko even if he is behind in threats
GoIngo [30k?\]: cs thinks sort of unclear
gogonuts [3d\]: when bots offer ko like that i never know it's its naive or awesome
goodminton [4d\]: lots of ko threats
theolddan [2d\]: b dead
theolddan [2d\]: but a lot of threats
Schachus12 [5k\]: because bot might mishandle the ko, even if he should win it
Ahamay [5d?\]: probably b has more threats in upper left, but still worth trying
gogonuts [3d\]: fj has to check that he really needs it
bkgo [3k\]: maybe T12/T10 
tom26 [7k\]: tru
sdfg34jhd: What about W T12 then T10?
bkgo [3k\]: :)
goodminton [4d\]: do or die but b has the better end i am afraid
GoIngo [30k?\]: cs counts +9 for black
gogonuts [3d\]: isnt it strange? obvious b strategy, nice w invasion, and yet, b ahead
GoIngo [30k?\]: without upper left
goodminton [4d\]: and with about 10 in the lead b needs onla a little
bkgo [3k\]: 0,5
Ahamay [5d?\]: oooo
Ahamay [5d?\]: I think black managed to lose it in the endgame
klausP [?\]: Ko?
androgo [1d\]: w wins
Ahamay [5d?\]: maybe no ko
tom26 [7k\]: how so?
bkgo [3k\]: t10/t12
gogonuts [3d\]: zen has given away lots of games late lately, pardon the pun
androgo [1d\]: w has many small sente endgames
klausP [?\]: fj counting if he needs the ko
GoIngo [30k?\]: t10 might be whites last chance here
Ahamay [5d?\]: I think just T12 wins for w
theolddan [2d\]: resigning at the stage is not likely
androgo [1d\]: f15 t10 q9 p8 f8 o15 p15 all for w
tom26 [7k\]: well fj's had plenty of time to think about it
gogonuts [3d\]: benjamin, u r right
androgo [1d\]: f8 also
gogonuts [3d\]: t12 is enough
klausP [?\]: wow, w wins without the ko
GoIngo [30k?\]: how?
GoIngo [30k?\]: t12  s13
gogonuts [3d\]: so d1 may be ws way into muffing it :-)
klausP [?\]: t10 then later
klausP [?\]: but fist all sente moves like o15
klausP [?\]: f8, f15
klausP [?\]: q9, p8
gogonuts [3d\]: I'm glad that normal play wins, because I couldnt see what w had done wrong
theolddan [2d\]: d1: fj will not be able to resist
bkgo [3k\]: D1 ko?
theolddan [2d\]: my bet
]
;W[sh]WL[793.583]
;B[rg]BL[1453.389]C[Ahamay [5d?\]: but blacks yose was sooo bad
]
;W[sj]WL[791.093]C[tom26 [7k\]: no ko
Ahamay [5d?\]: I think before he was ahead
gogonuts [3d\]: creepy zen
klausP [?\]: e5 smaller than b4, isnt it?
]
;B[rh]BL[1427.851]C[klausP [?\]: now just all sente and win
bkgo [3k\]: yes
goodminton [4d\]: white has all the cutting points should play these first ? f15 f8 q9 ff
Ahamay [5d?\]: doesn't even need to play em
]
;W[ri]WL[726.303]C[gogonuts [3d\]: suddenly hard for w to lose
]
;B[qi]BL[1402.933]C[Ahamay [5d?\]: oh
]
;W[qj]WL[723.412]C[matemato [3k\]: maybe two kos?
klausP [?\]: but s11 not needet
gogonuts [3d\]: this is ok
klausP [?\]: simle way was to just win with normal endgame
Schachus12 [5k\]: Ko
Schachus12 [5k\]: :)
]
;B[db]BL[1372.744]C[gogonuts [3d\]: because of d1
GoIngo [30k?\]: cs last hope now b18
]
;W[bd]WL[713.815]C[Ahamay [5d?\]: this ko is nice too
klausP [?\]: b18 is not a hope, sorry
]
;B[rj]BL[1348.585]
;W[fe]WL[706.213]C[gogonuts [3d\]: soon i wont have a chance against bots anymore, so i always enjoy watching them trying to win 2 kos
gogonuts [3d\]: petty revenge :-)
]
;B[hf]BL[1323.171]C[goodminton [4d\]: s12 had to be at s11 for a chance
]
;W[qj]WL[700.971]C[klausP [?\]: but if b wins the d1 ko, ist not for free
tom26 [7k\]: lovin the sente endgame move ko threats
gogonuts [3d\]: but its not su huge either
klausP [?\]: b gains 7 points capturing a3
]
;B[sc]BL[1290.853]
;W[sb]WL[691.394]
;B[rj]BL[1281.04]C[gogonuts [3d\]: because b cant make an eye there
]
;W[he]WL[687.197]
;B[ie]BL[1279.596]
;W[qj]WL[685.475]C[gogonuts [3d\]: oh
Schachus12 [5k\]: The Kiebitz Opinion here Changed so quickly, so it might change again, not over till its over 
gogonuts [3d\]: wait, sry
gogonuts [3d\]: ofc
gogonuts [3d\]: yes its big
woebegone [4k\]: t18 better than s17 ?
gogonuts [3d\]: i hallucinated no eye
]
;B[bc]BL[1250.59]C[woebegone [4k\]: 2 more threats this way
gogonuts [3d\]: but 7 points np for w
]
;W[eb]WL[662.101]C[paznewman [3k\]: Still gets 2 more threats
gogonuts [3d\]: because w q9 makes a really big followup
]
;B[rj]BL[1225.369]C[Schachus12 [5k\]: really, he can afford 7 points? Some time ago, everyone said he is losing by almost 10
]
;W[gf]WL[655.209]
;B[gg]BL[1223.827]
;W[qj]WL[652.941]C[tom26 [7k\]: :)
woebegone [4k\]: that's what i mean, this way 2 more threats, with s17 i think only one
gogonuts [3d\]: he can afford 7 if he gets q11 :-)
]
;B[da]BL[1189.643]C[klausP [?\]: well if w wins with Q9, there is follow up too
gogonuts [3d\]: thats what i mean
klausP [?\]: p11 wont be small
Winnetou [?\]: Is that a thread??
]
;W[ac]WL[632.237]
;B[rj]BL[1187.674]C[klausP [?\]: Q11 sorry
]
;W[ne]WL[628.544]
;B[nf]BL[1185.825]
;W[qj]WL[626.557]C[klausP [?\]: Zen fast now
Ahamay [6d?\]: so before O8 black was maybe slightly ahead - but less points than I had thought
gogonuts [3d\]: p11 would be huge too - a huge mistake :-)
klausP [?\]: cause it sees the end?
klausP [?\]: lol
]
;B[ab]BL[1150.751]
;W[ba]WL[623.831]
;B[rj]BL[1126.475]
;W[fl]WL[609.767]C[gogonuts [3d\]: this is my 2nd petty joy - watching bots try to avoid the unavoidable
Ahamay [6d?\]: :)
androgo [1d\]: don't answer?
]
;B[gk]BL[1100.406]
;W[qj]WL[606.979]C[klausP [?\]: f8 was sure big enough
]
;B[sd]BL[1067.801]C[matemato [3k\]: it seems d1 ko will be needed for w
Schachus12 [5k\]: ?
]
;W[rc]WL[601.901]
;B[rj]BL[1067.223]
;W[ds]WL[598.706]
;B[cs]BL[1066.622]
;W[qj]WL[597.042]C[Moshon [1k\]: ??
Schachus12 [5k\]: why not s17 instead of t16?
nosonoio [1k\]: so here we got a human sayng to a bot "it's the sound of inevitibality"?
goodminton [4d\]: lost a threat
klausP [?\]: s17 too good
]
;B[ha]BL[1035.819]C[Moshon [1k\]: did one of his cores melt right now?
]
;W[ga]WL[592.315]C[paznewman [3k\]: Nice one noso
klausP [?\]: ,´man s17 is self atari, cant you see??
tom26 [7k\]: t16 very strange
tom26 [7k\]: lol
Ahamay [6d?\]: he didn't like the ishinoshita lol
Schachus12 [5k\]: klaus P ;)
]
;B[rj]BL[1006.546]
;W[fs]WL[590.428]
;B[gs]BL[980.273]
;W[qj]WL[588.165]C[klausP [?\]: I dont like f1 on principle, but well...
Schachus12 [5k\]: any more threats for b?
]
;B[cd]BL[952.21]C[goodminton [4d\]: t11 was better - no follow up
]
;W[be]WL[582.756]C[matemato [3k\]: why not b1 instead of f1?
klausP [?\]: fj impressive, but that means Zen ist real good
]
;B[ce]BL[921.223]
;W[bf]WL[580.405]
;B[rj]BL[920.561]C[nosonoio [1k\]: is f19 a threat?
klausP [?\]: jup
klausP [?\]: will be answered
Ahamay [6d?\]: boring :p
klausP [?\]: so its time for b1 now
BOThater36 [4d\]: white slightly ahead, so he may just B1
matemato [3k\]: what's wrong with b1?
tom26 [7k\]: any other white threats
gogonuts [3d\]: b1 obvious to me, but I'm simpleminded
Schachus12 [5k\]: before playing b1, you should make sure you still win, even if should end up getting a3
Winnetou [?\]: b1 works too.
nosonoio [1k\]: g10 is a threat
matemato [3k\]: b can't win both kos
BOThater36 [4d\]: b1, double ko, take R9, white + 3.5
]
;W[bs]WL[426.537]C[Ahamay [6d?\]: but he can try delaying not winning both kos as long as possible
]
;B[as]BL[907.736]
;W[qj]WL[424.546]C[Ahamay [6d?\]: quite annoying to play against - now imagine sudden death :p
]
;B[aq]BL[882.726]C[theolddan [2d\]: nightmare
Schachus12 [5k\]: a bot understands he cant win both
Winnetou [?\]: q9
]
;W[pk]WL[381.002]C[klausP [?\]: ok, w wins by more than 2
klausP [?\]: its save now
BOThater36 [4d\]: congra to fj
gghideki [?\]: agree
]
;B[oi]BL[861.807]
;W[ap]WL[374.163]C[klausP [?\]: oh
klausP [?\]: Q11 seems not the best
]
;B[ps]BL[837.438]
;W[qs]WL[355.921]C[gogonuts [3d\]: fj is home in all plausible sequences
tom26 [7k\]: crazy bot invasion time?
gghideki [?\]: Thanks
fj [6d\]: thanks
matemato [3k\]: great!
klausP [?\]: glückwunsch!
degiri [?\]: congrats fj
GoRoGoRo [?\]: congrats
satoshi [3k\]: great game, thx
phoenix4y [5k\]: congrats
GoIngo [30k?\]: congrats to fj
tom26 [7k\]: ty all great game
Amenophis [5k?\]: thanks to both
klausP [?\]: harte Arbeit, oder?
gogonuts [3d\]: hurray for fjumanity
fj [6d\]: surprisingly close before the kos
gghideki [?\]: nice ko fights
TANITOV [3k\]: thanks
Ahamay [6d?\]: juppizupp ex machina
phoenix4y [5k\]: and thanks to zen for not bitching about losing
GoldenBear [1d\]: Congratulations to FJ!
fj [6d\]: after the squeeze into the center I felt too happy maybe...
GoldenBear [1d\]: Thanks for watching the codecentric go challenge!
KoriG [13k?\]: congratulations
gogonuts [3d\]: it was shocking to me that that didnt make it a huge win
GoldenBear [1d\]: Be our guests again next week.
GoldenBear [1d\]: see go.codecentric.de
gogonuts [3d\]: thanks
gghideki [?\]: See you next week, 1 hour later!
goodminton [4d\]: with s11 a halfpointer ?
fj [6d\]: thanks
Ahamay [6d?\]: it seems you both felt happy :)
fj [6d\]: and yes, in Japan 1 hr later
fj [6d\]: in Germany we change to normal time tonight
gogonuts [3d\]: spring ahead, fall back
fj [6d\]: game is just about W+2.5 now?
Ahamay [6d?\]: jap
Ahamay [6d?\]: enge kiste..
fj [6d\]: oha...
klausP [?\]: ich hab 3,5 gezählt
degiri [?\]: oder 1,5
Ahamay [6d?\]: bevor du rechts und links die randendspiele bekommen hast dachte ich du verlierst
fj [6d\]: so... that's what I mean by "about 2,5" :)
Ahamay [6d?\]: aber war wohl unklar
klausP [?\]: ich glaube der spielstand hängt davon ab, wann s mal auf a2 decken muss
klausP [?\]: aber w+1,5 reicht ja auch
Ahamay [6d?\]: S konnte halt B3 mal in sente abtauschen...
matemato [3k\]: what happens if w takes t11 after b f1?
fj [6d\]: well, I probably should have cared about counting more
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