(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]OT[5x40 byo-yomi]
PW[Zen19S]PB[fj]BR[5d]DT[2015-10-31]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Zen19S [-\]: GTP Engine for Zen19S (white): Zen version 10.4d13
fj [5d?\]: have a good game ^^
gghideki [?\]: gg
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[pd]BL[3586.72]
;W[dd]WL[3567.286]C[snowmen [2d\]: last game
]
;B[pp]BL[3577.667]C[GoIngo [2d?\]: maybe, maybe not ...
GoIngo [2d?\]: it is best of 5
]
;W[dp]WL[3541.078]
;B[pj]BL[3572.616]C[snowmen [2d\]: Zen is not so strong with white as with black
GoldenBear [1d\]: Welcome to game four of the codecentric go challenge 2015!
Crusoe [2k\]: skynet will finally win
]
;W[jp]WL[3510.665]
;B[cj]BL[3553.034]C[GoIngo [2d?\]: is this opening old japanese style?
it [-\]: depends on how you'll define winning in this case, crusoe
it [-\]: it's a bold opening ^^
]
;W[nq]WL[3477.312]C[GoldenBear [1d\]: Ingo, since when are you 2nd dan?
snowmen [2d\]: san ren sei is out of fashion
GoIngo [2d?\]: hmm, just saw it
GoIngo [2d?\]: no idea
GoldenBear [1d\]: enjoy it while it lasts :-)
GoIngo [2d?\]: it must have been a political decision
it [-\]: it's a minor bug in the rating system :-(
GoIngo [2d?\]: minor? normally I am 30-kyu
]
;B[pn]BL[3369.756]C[it [-\]: if you have a rank and stop playing you will be [2d?\] before you fall back to [?\] 
]
;W[cl]WL[3442.293]C[GoIngo [2d?\]: i have to play at least every 6 months
GoIngo [2d?\]: not to lose my archive
]
;B[cf]BL[3351.934]
;W[gc]WL[3414.959]C[it [-\]: no. you have to be online every 180 days for not losing the account. the games are stored in the archive at http://www.gokgs.com/archives.jsp
GoIngo [2d?\]: i see
]
;B[cc]BL[3265.412]C[GoIngo [2d?\]: first opinion by crazystone: 48,7 % for Black
]
;W[cd]WL[3396.252]
;B[dc]BL[3263.47]
;W[ed]WL[3395.648]
;B[bd]BL[3261.951]
;W[be]WL[3372.311]
;B[bc]BL[3260.846]C[GoldenBear [1d\]: First impression by me: The same script as always: FJ's DNA forces him to take territory whenever he sees an opportunity :-)
]
;W[ce]WL[3350.058]
;B[ec]BL[3259.327]
;W[df]WL[3325.15]
;B[bf]BL[3133.327]
;W[dg]WL[3294.592]C[GoldenBear [1d\]: Mir gefällt das nicht.
GoIngo [2d?\]: crazystone likes white a lot:
GoIngo [2d?\]: 46.5 % for black only
snowmen [2d\]: Zen Version 4.03 44%
]
;B[ch]BL[3043.419]C[GoIngo [2d?\]: snowmen, is your zen version from 2015?
]
;W[md]WL[3269.821]C[snowmen [2d\]: about 2012
GoIngo [2d?\]: i see, thx
]
;B[jd]BL[2995.195]
;W[pe]WL[3235.131]
;B[qd]BL[2978.351]C[GoldenBear [1d\]: This game could be fun. We could some confused fighting.
]
;W[oe]WL[3210.66]
;B[od]BL[2960.151]C[GoIngo [2d?\]: white on moyo track?!
GoldenBear [1d\]: Not quite.
Blitzbold [4d?\]: bots always are
]
;W[ke]WL[3179.988]C[GoldenBear [1d\]: Black seems to want to prevent White Moyos early.
GoldenBear [1d\]: That could lead to confused fighting.
Suomi [3d\]: how about just play the crude o16?
GoldenBear [1d\]: But I am worried that Zen isn't worried about its cutting points at O15 and F16.
Suomi [3d\]: he k17 area should endup rather small, since b can reduce it from both directions
]
;B[je]BL[2830.212]C[GoIngo [2d?\]: ha, k15 was also my personal favorite ;-)
Suomi [3d\]: by playing this b loses yose, both from e17 and p16 side
]
;W[kf]WL[3146.162]C[gogonuts [4d\]: k16 was agressive
GoldenBear [1d\]: Now the upper side is pretts much aflame. Maybe for once we don't reach yose.
gogonuts [4d\]: interesting q15, i wonder where zen got that one from :-)
]
;B[jf]BL[2712.937]
;W[jg]WL[3112.869]
;B[ig]BL[2695.657]
;W[ih]WL[3088.611]C[gogonuts [4d\]: if now h13 w h15
]
;B[hg]BL[2671.177]
;W[ei]WL[3054.948]C[gogonuts [4d\]: nope ...
gogonuts [4d\]: tricky position
DJhGO [1k\]: if the gameflow doesnt change black will crush white heavily
gogonuts [4d\]: i cant tell
]
;B[fd]BL[2636.44]
;W[hh]WL[3022.513]C[GoIngo [2d?\]: crazy analyst is happy here for white
gogonuts [4d\]: zen is good at multi-area fighting
]
;B[kd]BL[2619.35]C[snowmen [2d\]: f16 was not expected by Zen
]
;W[gg]WL[2991.066]
;B[he]BL[2603.624]C[GoIngo [2d?\]: if multi-area fighting is like multi-tasking bots might be female ?!
GoldenBear [1d\]: I fear that the plaouts halucinate a huge center-bottom moyo. But that probably is just an illusion.
]
;W[cg]WL[2965.256]C[gogonuts [4d\]: with h15 things can't really go badly for b here
GoldenBear [1d\]: On the other hand, Blacks secure territory is no illusion.
GoIngo [2d?\]: cs votes for L13
gogonuts [4d\]: wow, tenuki you say :-)
gogonuts [4d\]: actually a bood idea
gogonuts [4d\]: good
gogonuts [4d\]: because L13 does things
GoIngo [2d?\]: "bood" would be nice trm for unclear situations
gogonuts [4d\]: and b b13 is trouble
GoIngo [2d?\]: term
gogonuts [4d\]: standing for !?   ?
GoIngo [2d?\]: either good or bad
GoIngo [2d?\]: cs gives 49.5 for L13 and 45.5 for B13
gogonuts [4d\]: cleanign up on the right with L13, then invadint the bottom after w stomps out the left must be good
Blitzbold [4d?\]: yes - bood more on good side, gad more on bad
gogonuts [4d\]: lol, bold
GoIngo [2d?\]: nice, blitzbot ;-)
snowmen [2d\]: I like black, hard to tell, why ZEN likes white
gogonuts [4d\]: and a mostly bad fly is a gadfly
GoIngo [2d?\]: ;-)
]
;B[kg]BL[2315.007]C[GoIngo [2d?\]: wow fj can read cs
]
;W[jh]WL[2945.704]
;B[le]BL[2306.326]
;W[lf]WL[2945.023]
;B[mf]BL[2298.091]
;W[lg]WL[2944.452]
;B[mg]BL[2296.493]
;W[lh]WL[2943.833]
;B[mh]BL[2294.495]C[Blitzbold [4d?\]: zen can easily start big moyo with moves in o8 area - maybe he overestimatin this?
]
;W[li]WL[2918.27]C[GoldenBear [1d\]: @Blitzbold: That is exactly what I think.
Crusoe [2k\]: for me it looks like an easy win for b
gogonuts [4d\]: i'm not so sure about this
gogonuts [4d\]: hard choice between b m15 ect and b m13
Blitzbold [4d?\]: well 3 w stones fading into oblivion in ur is quite big
Crusoe [2k\]: i would be happy if Zen prooves me wrong
gogonuts [4d\]: i think i would have prefered m13
]
;B[me]BL[2239.079]C[GoldenBear [1d\]: It is already very hard for White to reduce the upper side and the upper right quadrant. This is huge for Black.
gogonuts [4d\]: what does cs say b m15 vs b m13?
]
;W[nj]WL[2892.551]C[GoIngo [2d?\]: sorry, cannot check now
gogonuts [4d\]: goldenbear, it is also redundant in a way though
snowmen [2d\]: this seems to become Zens worst performance
]
;B[oi]BL[2210.308]C[gogonuts [4d\]: zen still in it, imo
]
;W[mn]WL[2866.897]C[Blitzbold [4d?\]: yes - zen seems to be going for cosmic moyo
GoldenBear [1d\]: Ingo, what is Crazy Stones opinion?
GoIngo [2d?\]: cs no longer optimistic for white
GoIngo [2d?\]: 50.5 now
Blitzbold [4d?\]: lol - bots not loyal?
SenYuki [-\]: 50.5 is optimistic
GoIngo [2d?\]: independent circuits ;-)
GoIngo [2d?\]: now tinkering on D8 for black
Blitzbold [4d?\]: se very loyal!
gogonuts [4d\]: zen is prob at 55%
gogonuts [4d\]: bots tend to overlike themselves :-)
YZ1509 [4d\]: nuts back on 4d :)
Blitzbold [4d?\]: hehe is there already a bot named hal?
GoIngo [2d?\]: it was 40 years ago, blitzbold
gogonuts [4d\]: yes, hope I don't slip back to 3
gogonuts [4d\]: f3 and weather the storm :-)
GoIngo [2d?\]: the histogram is no longer bellshape
GoIngo [2d?\]: no good sign when that happens at move 650 already
GoIngo [2d?\]: move 60
gogonuts [4d\]: it's starting to look like a heart attack?
GoIngo [2d?\]: no but a side-summit on the white side ...
gogonuts [4d\]: fj sagely evaluating if f3 is needed ...
GoIngo [2d?\]: fj is playing slower than in round 3
gogonuts [4d\]: spending his time at a good place here
gogonuts [4d\]: next move will shape the game
snowmen [2d\]: 33 invasion shoud give back a close win
gogonuts [4d\]: thats the problem of long thinking
gogonuts [4d\]: you think and you think, and f3 starts looking risky
GoIngo [2d?\]: 3,3 might be good against bot in particular
]
;B[dq]BL[1765.165]C[gogonuts [4d\]: compromise risk :-)
]
;W[eq]WL[2832.039]C[gogonuts [4d\]: bigger than c3, less risky than f3 :-)
Blitzbold [4d?\]: gad move
gogonuts [4d\]: loooooooool
GoIngo [2d?\]: gad is good
]
;B[cq]BL[1741.173]C[gogonuts [4d\]: oh no, ingo
]
;W[ep]WL[2806.311]C[gogonuts [4d\]: or should I say gordon?
]
;B[bn]BL[1723.043]C[GoIngo [2d?\]: ???
]
;W[cp]WL[2781.393]
;B[bp]BL[1715.28]C[gogonuts [4d\]: b suddenly thin
gogonuts [4d\]: greed is good from gordon gekko
]
;W[cn]WL[2754.481]C[GoldenBear [1d\]: That is FJ's DNA: Sometimes it betrays him.
]
;B[co]BL[1706.883]
;W[do]WL[2730.028]
;B[bo]BL[1705.19]C[gogonuts [4d\]: w looks like taking the full center now
Suomi [3d\]: w needs to keep center and reduce right side a bit
]
;W[bm]WL[2704.982]
;B[dn]BL[1703.07]
;W[cm]WL[2704.253]
;B[er]BL[1701.452]
;W[fr]WL[2700.98]
;B[dr]BL[1699.93]C[Suomi [3d\]: fixing f3 looks sort of mandatory, but its zen..
]
;W[en]WL[2668.214]
;B[gr]BL[1693.883]C[rs220675 [1d\]: gogonuts: but hyperbolic greed will backfire at one point
]
;W[fq]WL[2643.455]C[Suomi [3d\]: e6.. why not g3, giving away free yose like this
]
;B[fs]BL[1678.487]C[gogonuts [4d\]: i was only explaining to ingo why i called him gordon :-)
]
;W[ni]WL[2618.396]C[rs220675 [1d\]: ah ok...basic risk of getting into a conversation without knowing its context^^
GoIngo [2d?\]: have to think about it, gogonuts
gogonuts [4d\]: oh how I hate positions like this
]
;B[nh]BL[1642.529]C[gogonuts [4d\]: painful endgame against a bot
]
;W[pk]WL[2592.397]
;B[qk]BL[1632.471]C[gogonuts [4d\]: to me, invading at f3 and do or die would have been much preferable
]
;W[ql]WL[2571.524]C[GoIngo [2d?\]: gogo, would you like this against fj?
GoIngo [2d?\]: you in white's rreole
]
;B[pl]BL[1608.417]C[gogonuts [4d\]: i hate both sides :-)
Suomi [3d\]: q8.. wut?
GoldenBear [1d\]: Ingo: You are silent on CS' opinion for too long...
GoIngo [2d?\]: ;-)
gogonuts [4d\]: endgame as far as the eye can see
Suomi [3d\]: b planning on connecting under?
]
;W[ok]WL[2547.345]C[GoIngo [2d?\]: it is in 54 % range
]
;B[qj]BL[1604.591]
;W[pm]WL[2546.769]C[GoIngo [2d?\]: for blacvk
]
;B[qm]BL[1582.902]
;W[ol]WL[2546.183]
;B[rl]BL[1581.241]
;W[pr]WL[2520.602]C[rs220675 [1d\]: I would have played p3 and then lived in the corner there
Suomi [3d\]: bottom left good source of ko threats
]
;B[gq]BL[1557.709]
;W[gp]WL[2494.727]
;B[iq]BL[1554.295]
;W[ip]WL[2469.757]
;B[jq]BL[1545.575]C[rsun [-\]: 2-1 for humans now?
]
;W[qn]WL[2436.47]C[gogonuts [4d\]: yes
]
;B[pl]BL[1539.072]
;W[fc]WL[2411.032]C[gogonuts [4d\]: hoho
GoldenBear [1d\]: Zen starts a Ko. Now this is something :-)
GoIngo [2d?\]: cs at 49 % now
gogonuts [4d\]: for?
rsun [-\]: moyo vs moyo is usually hard for human
rsun [-\]: zen I think
GoIngo [2d?\]: always for black
rs220675 [1d\]: i wonder if fj can ignore this ko threat by zen
snowmen [2d\]: mochi komi, but this ko is so big
gogonuts [4d\]: right rsun, bots are better accountants
]
;B[gf]BL[1426.793]C[gogonuts [4d\]: as in the monty python song: "it's fun to be an accountant, and sail the wide accoutant see ..."
gogonuts [4d\]: massive answer by fj
]
;W[fe]WL[2377.873]C[gogonuts [4d\]: oops
]
;B[gd]BL[1420.841]C[gogonuts [4d\]: acountant sea, ofc
rsun [-\]: too many threats
GoldenBear [1d\]: And Zen forgets that it is playing Ko...
]
;W[ql]WL[2348.349]
;B[rm]BL[1410.468]C[GoIngo [2d?\]: goldenbear: thx for reminding him
gogonuts [4d\]: f15: when will bots stop bragging with their threats?
rsun [-\]: zen thinks having just 1 more threat than the opponent is enough
snowmen [2d\]: now f14 sente
]
;W[po]WL[2321.95]
;B[qo]BL[1396.643]
;W[on]WL[2321.374]
;B[rn]BL[1388.973]C[rsun [-\]: b needs kami no itte to win this game
rsun [-\]: like living in the center
]
;W[ff]WL[2288.524]C[snowmen [2d\]: wow
]
;B[ge]BL[1374.396]C[GoIngo [2d?\]: cs  45 %
]
;W[kq]WL[2263.177]C[gogonuts [4d\]: is that for w?
]
;B[fg]BL[1367.331]C[GoldenBear [1d\]: ... always for black,,,
]
;W[gh]WL[2236.608]C[snowmen [2d\]: b was winning, but after o11 he seems to have messed it up
]
;B[ee]BL[1337.097]
;W[bg]WL[2229.965]C[rs220675 [1d\]: white is losing now in my book
rsun [-\]: r3 bigger now
GoldenBear [1d\]: I cannot count this mess. I am seduced to take a look at SE, but then I would have to kick myself out...
]
;B[ef]BL[1322.16]C[gogonuts [4d\]: zen has showed endgame weaknesses in other games - that may have been part of the reason fj went for safe but close
rsun [-\]: actually you don't really need to count
]
;W[kr]WL[2197.675]C[gogonuts [4d\]: but it seems that in big moyo games, where all hangs together, zens endgame is better
GoIngo [2d?\]: se for president
rsun [-\]: just shift w stones above 10th line to the bottom and see if w has more than half the board
]
;B[qq]BL[1291.92]C[rsun [-\]: it's the fastest way in such cases
]
;W[hq]WL[2168.519]C[gogonuts [4d\]: se has some interesting rogue points for both sides :-)
inte [?\]: rogue points, nice term
]
;B[hr]BL[1261.372]C[gogonuts [4d\]: h3 could be pretty big
snowman [-\]: se rogues
]
;W[hp]WL[2143.952]C[gogonuts [4d\]: b has to watch for the corner again
rs220675 [1d\]: r2 is huge now
snowman [-\]: i'd prefer p4
GoIngo [2d?\]: histogram is exploding
GoIngo [2d?\]: problem for bots ...
gogonuts [4d\]: because ll is fishy :-)
rsun [-\]: histogram?
]
;B[ir]BL[1194.346]C[gogonuts [4d\]: winrate historam
inte [?\]: distribution of playout scores?
GoIngo [2d?\]: right
GoIngo [2d?\]: three peaks now
rsun [-\]: how does it explode?
]
;W[qr]WL[2116.784]C[gogonuts [4d\]: no more nice bell shape
rs220675 [1d\]: I think black will winr2 or p5 big miai points
inte [?\]: the variance increases
rsun [-\]: oic
rsun [-\]: gogo are you going to write a bot too?
rs220675 [1d\]: now p3?
]
;B[oo]BL[1150.908]C[gogonuts [4d\]: probably not
GoldenBear [1d\]: That the historgram is no longer bell shape here is interesting. Basically everything important has been played out.
]
;W[pn]WL[2090.497]C[gogonuts [4d\]: there is a lot of homework you have to do before you get to interesting stuff
]
;B[oq]BL[1144.701]
;W[or]WL[2087.254]
;B[np]BL[1143.593]
;W[no]WL[2061.354]
;B[mq]BL[1139.592]C[gogonuts [4d\]: alarm
snowmen [2d\]: ko
rs220675 [1d\]: wow...it will come down to a ko
]
;W[nr]WL[2029.593]
;B[mo]BL[1137.862]C[rsun [-\]: b115
]
;W[op]WL[2004.126]
;B[fh]BL[1128.423]
;W[fi]WL[2003.522]
;B[oo]BL[1125.612]
;W[rq]WL[1977.896]C[snowmen [2d\]: nice
rsun [-\]: seems counting is not needed
rsun [-\]: unless b has kami no itte
snowman [-\]: can a ponnuki live in the center?
]
;B[qp]BL[1057.769]C[GoIngo [2d?\]: cs at 39 %
GoldenBear [1d\]: FJ's answer: No.
]
;W[jb]WL[1953.566]C[rs220675 [1d\]: I think this game is done for white
rsun [-\]: yeah solid win
gogonuts [4d\]: meaning won or w is done?
rs220675 [1d\]: now we see some weird crazy stuff and then a resign button...@gogo: white will lose
GoldenBear [1d\]: K18 is mind boggling. Zen again forgets it is playing Ko.
snowman [-\]: fj is baffled too :)
gogonuts [4d\]: that is its threat
GoldenBear [1d\]: Yeah. But Zen has already played a threat...
rsun [-\]: zen just needs 1 more threat than its opponent
Crusoe [2k\]: a good horse jumps only as high as it has to
gogonuts [4d\]: oh right
peanatsu [1d\]: maybe this is to create threats
]
;B[kb]BL[922.109]C[gogonuts [4d\]: double threat again
rsun [-\]: b cannot win ko, so w wins the game
gogonuts [4d\]: fj needs only half as many threats as zen :-)
]
;W[rp]WL[1928.847]
;B[ro]BL[917.598]C[snowman [-\]: now that was a bad move
SenYuki [-\]: he makes the ko smaller
GoldenBear [1d\]: I must make an emergency shutdown on myself.
GoldenBear [1d\]: This is too crazy.
]
;W[op]WL[1903.643]C[GoIngo [2d?\]: generations to come will discuss this game
]
;B[dh]BL[902.952]C[rsun [-\]: fj needs either kami no itte or hardware failure to win
rsun [-\]: the latter has higher probability
gogonuts [4d\]: wasting those threats just because they are there is pretty arrogant :-)
]
;W[eh]WL[1878.586]
;B[oo]BL[900.884]C[snowman [-\]: he only needs our kibitzers' support
snowmen [2d\]: black will win this ko
]
;W[eb]WL[1853.981]
;B[db]BL[894.473]
;W[jc]WL[1826.271]C[GoldenBear [1d\]: If Zen wastes another threat now I will silently close my notebook and listen to football..
gogonuts [4d\]: dont make threats you can't make good on :-)
rs220675 [1d\]: could black ignore this threat, let white live there while destroying white's center?
GoldenBear [1d\]: You called my bluff, gogonuts, but it sure is painful to watch this...
]
;B[nn]BL[784.724]C[rs220675 [1d\]: ah..I was right :)
]
;W[kc]WL[1800.33]
;B[lb]BL[780.005]
;W[lc]WL[1799.719]
;B[mb]BL[777.424]
;W[nc]WL[1799.083]C[gogonuts [4d\]: wow, that was fast
]
;B[ob]BL[746.511]C[GoIngo [2d?\]: histograms still out of shape
khjas [4k\]: How much was b winning by earlier?
GoldenBear [1d\]: Now the histogram is allowed to be out of shape again.
]
;W[nb]WL[1774.759]
;B[na]BL[742.532]C[GoIngo [2d?\]: hmm
]
;W[oc]WL[1750.348]
;B[pb]BL[736.398]C[rsun [-\]: zen really enjoys doing hatsuyoron problems
snowman [-\]: let's see the L&D engine at work
gogonuts [4d\]: lol, rsun
]
;W[pc]WL[1725.75]C[rs220675 [1d\]: black just needs to bring this one home
rsun [-\]: w f18 b can h18 first
snowmen [2d\]: k19 becoming sente?
gogonuts [4d\]: rs22: same for w
]
;B[qc]BL[651.731]C[rs220675 [1d\]: from my naive 1d eyes it looks all black^^
rsun [-\]: ah w has j19
]
;W[oa]WL[1701.193]
;B[pa]BL[636.249]C[Crusoe [2k\]: how does j19 work?
]
;W[ma]WL[1676.432]
;B[la]BL[631.856]C[rsun [-\]: but it doesn't prevent b h18
]
;W[fb]WL[1651.611]C[rsun [-\]: h18 only move to kill
gogonuts [4d\]: saving e18 is troublesome for the b corner so its still unclear
]
;B[hb]BL[610.278]C[rs220675 [1d\]: time to looks for skynets email adress to write once again: "We still own you" :P
SenYuki [-\]: a16 kind of sente
]
;W[hc]WL[1626.049]C[Crusoe [2k\]: the battle is not over yet
rsun [-\]: k19 j19 both sente for w, but neither works
rsun [-\]: oh there is ko
snowmen [2d\]: next ko?
rsun [-\]: k19 r18 h19 
]
;B[eg]BL[569.078]C[rsun [-\]: g19 j18 
]
;W[bh]WL[1625.353]C[Crusoe [2k\]: ?
]
;B[ad]BL[553.295]
;W[ea]WL[1600.822]C[gogonuts [4d\]: cliff hanger :-)
]
;B[af]BL[538.009]
;W[ag]WL[1576.071]
;B[ae]BL[528.165]C[GoIngo [2d?\]: cs histogram has 2 cliffs ;-)
rsun [-\]: zen endgame more exciting than hollywood movie
gogonuts [4d\]: to get this for free is awesome :-9
snowman [-\]: cliffhanger hangover
]
;W[ci]WL[1551.46]C[Crusoe [2k\]: 1?!?
Suomi [3d\]: a13.. why?
Suomi [3d\]: why not just connect at d15?
Crusoe [2k\]: b11
GoIngo [2d?\]: cs proposes g19 for black now
snowmen [2d\]: Zen thinks he wins
snowmen [2d\]: probably he is right
GoIngo [2d?\]: % in Zen?
snowmen [2d\]: 37%
gghideki [?\]: 64%
GoIngo [2d?\]: cs shows 47
rsun [-\]: g19 w can still make seki?
Crusoe [2k\]: this is much more fun to watch than pro-games (maybe just because i can understand a little here)
gogonuts [4d\]: snowmen for b, gghideki for w :-)
GoIngo [2d?\]: hideki, do you have bellshape in histograms?
snowmen [2d\]: this game had so many mistakes
gogonuts [4d\]: this is like a summer blockbuster - so many car chases and explosions
]
;B[de]BL[301.74]C[gghideki [?\]: Zen has no graphical feature :(
GoIngo [2d?\]: :-(
rsun [-\]: zen ends the game just like das boot
]
;W[ib]WL[1524.181]C[GoIngo [2d?\]: "das boot" is german submarine movie
rsun [-\]: yes, I watched it
gogonuts [4d\]: he knows
]
;B[ln]BL[273.834]C[GoIngo [2d?\]: but does hideki know?
gogonuts [4d\]: zen: das bot :-)
GoIngo [2d?\]: nice pun
]
;W[km]WL[1498.16]C[Namii [6d\]: what the heck is J18
gghideki [?\]: 66% now
]
;B[kn]BL[252.269]
;W[mm]WL[1473.878]C[GoldenBear [1d\]: L7: Just as at Spotsylvania...
peanatsu [1d\]: g19 ko now, isnt it?
Namii [6d\]: now it's still a ko at the top, so b should have no trouble winning
GoIngo [2d?\]: cs is confused here
gogonuts [4d\]: j18 at g19 looks safer to me
Namii [6d\]: yes, it's obvious even to 5 kyu :p
Namii [6d\]: sometimes bots make the strangest mistakes
rs220675 [1d\]: what the heck happened?
rs220675 [1d\]: white lives at the upper side...and now...still a game?
]
;B[lp]BL[184.203]C[SenYuki [-\]: still ko
]
;W[nd]WL[1441.12]C[rs220675 [1d\]: if black plays g19?
]
;B[ne]BL[179.063]
;W[jm]WL[1437.554]C[snowmen [2d\]: j18 was wrong, 
]
;B[jn]BL[174.103]C[SenYuki [-\]: yes, g19
rsun [-\]: zen thinks it can win even in ko
gogonuts [4d\]: Klopp killing Mourinho
]
;W[br]WL[1402.612]C[rs220675 [1d\]: really? good!
]
;B[bq]BL[169.611]C[Eilinen [-\]: Which team Klopp coached again?
GoIngo [2d?\]: b2 = resign
Namii [6d\]: ah, J18 lives too
gogonuts [4d\]: 1:0 chelsea first
Suomi [3d\]: g19 l19 k19 h19 j19 g18 
gogonuts [4d\]: now 1:3
Namii [6d\]: Suomi: right
]
;W[in]WL[1375.76]
;B[ga]BL[160.325]C[peanatsu [1d\]: if w m16 were sente against p12 cut, he could make an eye with j16 
gogonuts [4d\]: liverpool
rs220675 [1d\]: nice LIVERPOOL!!!
Namii [6d\]: but there is a big liberty problem with M16
]
;W[ja]WL[1350.607]C[peanatsu [1d\]: but it is not
Suomi [3d\]: w didnt see unconditional life.. uh
rs220675 [1d\]: b needs to play s18 now, right?
]
;B[qb]BL[129.064]C[Namii [6d\]: Suomi: oh no, black just connects at R18 when white L19
rs220675 [1d\]: ok
gghideki [?\]: now 60%
]
;W[ha]WL[1325.104]
;B[ia]BL[126.036]C[YZ1509 [4d\]: s18 would be wrong as it leaves another 2 threats to white
SenYuki [-\]: @Suomi [3d\]: g19 l19 k19 h19 j19 g18  then h19
Namii [6d\]: ... nevermind
Namii [6d\]: but I think w does lose the O17 stones in that process
gogonuts [4d\]: ko instead of living was quite a burden for zen :-)
]
;W[mc]WL[1300.269]
;B[oa]BL[121.343]C[happou [3k\]: which has more ko threats?
gogonuts [4d\]: if fj loses now, that will make him feel bad :-)
Namii [6d\]: g19h19 j19 l19 k19 g18 m16 
]
;W[ha]WL[1274.877]C[SenYuki [-\]: just connect then
SenYuki [-\]: let h19 die and play there again
Suomi [3d\]: m16 is nice
GoIngo [2d?\]: ko thread m7 now
Suomi [3d\]: wonder if w could have afford to ll
Suomi [3d\]: lose the tail*
Suomi [3d\]: and return for sente life
Namii [6d\]: in any case, J18 is clearly wrong, it doesn't gain any extra points
Suomi [3d\]: er.. uncondition alife
GoIngo [2d?\]: byoyomi to start
]
;B[dj]BL[40]OB[5]
;W[di]WL[1249.081]
;B[ia]BL[40]OB[5]C[snowmen [2d\]: w 2 more threats
]
;W[id]WL[1224.044]C[SenYuki [-\]: many more
]
;B[hd]BL[40]OB[5]C[GoIngo [2d?\]: cs evaluation in rollercoaster mode
]
;W[ha]WL[1206.707]C[Suomi [3d\]: it seems like losing the tail in erturn for unconditiona life would have given w a win
]
;B[mr]BL[40]OB[4]C[Suomi [3d\]: tho maybe this way is a win too
Suomi [3d\]: can afford to ignore
YZ1509 [4d\]: ?
]
;W[if]WL[1175.62]C[Suomi [3d\]: j14, nice timing
happou [3k\]: ?
]
;B[hf]BL[40]OB[4]C[Suomi [3d\]: oh, nvm
GoIngo [2d?\]: nvm?
Suomi [3d\]: zen just doing usual waste threats stuff
Suomi [3d\]: nvm, nevermind
]
;W[ld]WL[1149.715]C[GoIngo [2d?\]: thx
]
;B[ie]BL[40]OB[4]C[gogonuts [4d\]: not that again
]
;W[qe]WL[1124.99]C[Namii [6d\]: and thats 4/3 points gone
gogonuts [4d\]: why is it so hard to give more priority to taking back a ko?
happou [3k\]: is this threat?
]
;B[re]BL[40]OB[4]C[GoldenBear [1d\]: I should have executed my emergency shutdown. 
Namii [6d\]: s15 should firmly connect at P12
YZ1509 [4d\]: r15 isn't a threat but it generates lots of them
]
;W[rf]WL[1100.699]C[Namii [6d\]: corner was alive
]
;B[rd]BL[40]OB[4]C[Namii [6d\]: oh, no
Suomi [3d\]: namii, but w gets lots of threats
Namii [6d\]: I'm too weak
gogonuts [4d\]: r15 was a threat, pretty sure
Suomi [3d\]: and p12 problem too?
gogonuts [4d\]: not to kill but to mess up the right
]
;W[oh]WL[1067.869]C[Namii [6d\]: hmm, yes it was
rs220675 [1d\]: @gogo: still thinking white can win that?
]
;B[og]BL[40]OB[4]C[gogonuts [4d\]: w flaunting his threats again :-)
Suomi [3d\]: w getting some yose in too
GoIngo [2d?\]: what is white going for?
]
;W[nm]WL[1038.064]C[SenYuki [-\]: kill
Namii [6d\]: maybe S15 is better for threats, and 1 pt is not that important
gogonuts [4d\]: showing off how many threats he has :-)
]
;B[ia]BL[40]OB[4]C[GoIngo [2d?\]: ;-)
gghideki [?\]: now 48%, maybe misreading
]
;W[oj]WL[1009.952]C[Suomi [3d\]: it looked like w was winning with straighforward play
]
;B[ph]BL[40]OB[4]C[GoIngo [2d?\]: cs gives 78 % for black now
gghideki [?\]: 38% now :(
gogonuts [4d\]: argh
fj [5d?\]: thanks
zife [-\]: gz
gghideki [?\]: Thanks
SenYuki [-\]: congrats fj
gogonuts [4d\]: well, congrats fj
happou [3k\]: congrats!
inte [?\]: such a weird ending
rs220675 [1d\]: well done fj
GoIngo [2d?\]: congrats to fj
YZ1509 [4d\]: congrats to ko
rs220675 [1d\]: again: 3:1 against the machines^^
gghideki [?\]: haha
gogonuts [4d\]: J18 really was poor
gghideki [?\]: right
fj [5d?\]: well... it all felt so wrong the whole game
khjas [4k\]: Thanks for the interesting game
Crusoe [2k\]: skynet will return
fj [5d?\]: dont know..
rs220675 [1d\]: but not for now, crusoe^^
gogonuts [4d\]: instead of d3 i would have gone for f3
fj [5d?\]: still I like the first game most
gogonuts [4d\]: i agree
gogonuts [4d\]: first game was the best bot quality
rs220675 [1d\]: I don't think zen was stronger than cs last year, don't u think fj?
gghideki [?\]: bot are weak at ko :(
GoIngo [2d?\]: yes, hideki
gogonuts [4d\]: and not just dbl ko
GoIngo [2d?\]: a human bot.made might have helped today
gogonuts [4d\]: even just taking back a ko seems surprisingly hard
GoIngo [2d?\]: botmaid
gghideki [?\]: yes, it's the problem
YZ1509 [4d\]: is konfusion already in the oxford?
rs220675 [1d\]: haha
GoIngo [2d?\]: you mean kofusion?
gogonuts [4d\]: is a ko in the proximity list after a threat?
gogonuts [4d\]: or is the bots preference for answering locally a trap?
GoldenBear [1d\]: Well, some last words from the sponsor: Thanks for watching the codecentric go challenge. Thanks to Hideki and FJ and congratulations to FJ for the win! Visit us at go.codecentric.de
gogonuts [4d\]: thanks for sponsoring
lydian [?\]: thank you for organising
GoldenBear [1d\]: Well, organizing kudos go to GoIngo!
YZ1509 [4d\]: and read the kibbitz on go.kodecentric.de?
fj [5d?\]: thanks to codecentric & Ingo
GoIngo [2d?\]: and sponsot was and is codecentric
gghideki [?\]: Thank you all and see you!  bye
GoIngo [2d?\]: sponsor
fj [5d?\]: thanks, Hideki!
GoIngo [2d?\]: bye hideki
fj [5d?\]: bye
GoldenBear [1d\]: Bye
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