(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[2700]
PW[fuzz2015]PB[Zen19S]DT[2015-08-02]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Zen19S [-\]: GTP Engine for Zen19S (black): Zen version 10.4d13
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[pd]BL[2689.028]
;W[qo]WL[2695.572]C[kmr [1d\]: who is white?
NightShift [6d\]: taiwan 6d
]
;B[dd]BL[2671.043]
;W[co]WL[2690.542]C[NightShift [6d\]: best of 3 series, currently 1-1
]
;B[op]BL[2652.846]C[kmr [1d\]: R5 - preparing taisha is best tactic against high dan bot in even game, very well
NightShift [6d\]: but most feel zen got unlucky in game 2
]
;W[mq]WL[2679.553]C[NightShift [6d\]: or careless perhaps
]
;B[pq]BL[2633.787]
;W[rq]WL[2675.433]
;B[pn]BL[2614.284]
;W[po]WL[2668.569]
;B[oo]BL[2600.946]
;W[on]WL[2666.497]
;B[nn]BL[2587.714]C[gogonuts [4d\]: w still hasnt gotten the hang of anti bot play
]
;W[om]WL[2664.721]
;B[nm]BL[2573.446]C[NightShift [6d\]: he is getting more aggressive rather than less :p
]
;W[ol]WL[2654.484]C[kmr [1d\]: maybe just weakness of MC....when bot play sth really stupid its almost always due to MC (or hardware error)
NightShift [6d\]: o6 o7 look dubious though
gghideki [2k?\]: there are so many (possible) ko threats that Zen's reading gets shallower
]
;B[nl]BL[2560.644]
;W[ok]WL[2647.301]
;B[nk]BL[2547.43]C[gghideki [2k?\]: and less correct
]
;W[oj]WL[2640.044]C[NightShift [6d\]: push from behind along 5th line...
]
;B[lp]BL[2529.166]C[gghideki [2k?\]: Zen's style :)
NightShift [6d\]: and then so close to wall!
]
;W[kq]WL[2630.482]C[NightShift [6d\]: i feel like w is too greedy
NightShift [6d\]: zen will k4
]
;B[ip]BL[2509.965]C[Muttley [3k\]: nyet!
NightShift [6d\]: hehe more cosmic
NightShift [6d\]: w could have tried to sacrifice n3
]
;W[iq]WL[2596.318]C[NightShift [6d\]: now he got a heavy group
Muttley [3k\]: He'll live on the side again
]
;B[hq]BL[2489.087]
;W[hp]WL[2578.67]
;B[io]BL[2475.348]
;W[jq]WL[2542.599]
;B[gq]BL[2461.663]
;W[ho]WL[2511.224]
;B[in]BL[2447.33]
;W[hn]WL[2501.696]
;B[hm]BL[2432.562]
;W[fo]WL[2476.831]
;B[ep]BL[2417.469]
;W[im]WL[2459.906]
;B[jm]BL[2402.202]
;W[il]WL[2457.567]
;B[eo]BL[2383.292]C[gogonuts [4d\]: e5 signals b success
Muttley [3k\]: I feel for c5
Muttley [3k\]: b play c3 and you can cry
]
;W[jl]WL[2428.564]
;B[kn]BL[2363.449]
;W[gl]WL[2395.043]
;B[cq]BL[2344.697]C[Muttley [3k\]: boo hoo :)
gogonuts [4d\]: awesome mutt
Muttley [3k\]: hehe :)
]
;W[km]WL[2357.038]
;B[jn]BL[2327.362]
;W[nr]WL[2324.977]
;B[mi]BL[2303.686]
;W[cl]WL[2310.844]
;B[jd]BL[2279.119]
;W[cf]WL[2287.122]
;B[df]BL[2258.227]
;W[dg]WL[2278.208]
;B[ef]BL[2240.794]
;W[cc]WL[2267.597]C[suibaku [1d\]: so white is a human?
]
;B[ce]BL[2221.661]C[Muttley [3k\]: yes
]
;W[dc]WL[2256.171]
;B[cg]BL[2201.583]
;W[gc]WL[2254.268]C[Muttley [3k\]: http://oase.nutn.edu.tw/FUZZIEEE2015/schedule_day1.htm 
]
;B[em]BL[2175.48]
;W[fn]WL[2250.067]
;B[qh]BL[2156.6]
;W[qj]WL[2227.689]
;B[oh]BL[2130.901]
;W[qc]WL[2216.762]
;B[pc]BL[2112.008]C[Muttley [3k\]: when in doubt, take corners
]
;W[qd]WL[2215.614]C[Muttley [3k\]: kill moyo
Muttley [3k\]: win game with ko
]
;B[qe]BL[2086.36]
;W[re]WL[2214.068]C[Muttley [3k\]: I bet on w k18 eventually
craig [4k\]: how can there be a hardware error?
]
;B[gd]BL[2061.554]
;W[hc]WL[2205.435]C[Muttley [3k\]: because its a parallel system across a few cores
Muttley [3k\]: there have been hardware errors with the  set up in the past
]
;B[dk]BL[2037.961]
;W[bj]WL[2195.267]
;B[ck]BL[2016.242]
;W[bk]WL[2192.897]
;B[cm]BL[1999.054]
;W[bm]WL[2189.938]
;B[dl]BL[1982.787]
;W[bl]WL[2188.707]
;B[hj]BL[1959.865]
;W[lm]WL[2177.998]
;B[ln]BL[1940.084]
;W[jj]WL[2166.322]
;B[ji]BL[1915.076]
;W[ki]WL[2159.112]
;B[kh]BL[1897.019]C[craig [4k\]: it seems b will have a hard time from here
]
;W[jb]WL[2121.697]
;B[lc]BL[1874.874]
;W[kc]WL[2112.128]
;B[kd]BL[1856.728]
;W[lb]WL[2110.019]
;B[jc]BL[1841.355]
;W[kb]WL[2107.015]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: you can also get errors due to random cosmic rays hitting your ram
]
;B[ir]BL[1822.321]
;W[jr]WL[2102.415]C[gogonuts [4d\]: its hard to beat bots when they have become so thick
gogonuts [4d\]: they make points in mysterious places :-)
]
;B[rf]BL[1799.686]
;W[pb]WL[2092.698]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: there was a study on how often it happens, apparently its something like 1bit flip per month, assuming no error correction.
]
;B[ob]BL[1783.33]
;W[oc]WL[2075.764]C[Muttley [3k\]: funtime people!
suibaku [1d\]: what type of rays?
]
;B[od]BL[1766.82]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: I think p18 was correct actually
Ootakamoku [-\]: and w making the mistake here, sicne corner worth more than either side
Muttley [3k\]: I thought w would just live small
]
;W[qb]WL[2048.67]
;B[gk]BL[1750.877]
;W[hk]WL[2041.365]C[Muttley [3k\]: maybe w was being clever
obs: taiwan 6d is egf 4d right?
]
;B[ij]BL[1733.211]
;W[gj]WL[2026.125]C[suibaku [1d\]: this is going to become dicey
]
;B[fk]BL[1717.385]
;W[ii]WL[2020.549]C[Muttley [3k\]: w might die in the centre if zen thinks it can be killed
]
;B[jk]BL[1702.327]
;W[jh]WL[2004.339]
;B[kk]BL[1687.751]
;W[gm]WL[1996.35]C[gogonuts [4d\]: bansai
suibaku [1d\]: bonsai
]
;B[ik]BL[1672.287]
;W[hl]WL[1993.54]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: bonsai life
gogonuts [4d\]: :-)
Muttley [3k\]: ponnuki.  worth 30 points.   to black.
]
;B[ec]BL[1650.859]C[suibaku [1d\]: white needs to get creative
Annie [2d\]: more like 50
gogonuts [4d\]: w getting a taste of the real bot power
]
;W[eb]WL[1969.174]C[Muttley [3k\]: zen algorithm "Angry mode" kicked in
]
;B[fc]BL[1633.314]
;W[fb]WL[1963.181]C[gogonuts [4d\]: plum blossoms, wilting in the desert wind
suibaku [1d\]: anything less than creative wont have a happy ending
himanin [2k\]: he got some hints for the pro tomorrow
Muttley [3k\]: IF "Mess with me" THEN "invoke righteous fury"
]
;B[hd]BL[1612.322]
;W[di]WL[1956.709]C[suibaku [1d\]: looks like difficult code to parse, muttley
]
;B[fh]BL[1591.657]C[Annie [2d\]: if then because
Muttley [3k\]: probably
]
;W[nc]WL[1941.853]
;B[nd]BL[1575.785]
;W[mc]WL[1936.772]C[Muttley [3k\]: but you have chessbots programmed to play in the style of a particular player, so why not colour the move selection with emotion
Ootakamoku [-\]: ya, cant see both strength unless you are strong enough to beat it
suibaku [1d\]: so delta waves and alpha waves definitely operate in the ultra low hertz range
Ootakamoku [-\]: bot*
]
;B[hr]BL[1561.712]C[suibaku [1d\]: but most of the action takes place around 15-80 hertz
Muttley [3k\]: of course, suibaku
suibaku [1d\]: you made me look it up -.-
Annie [2d\]: Wow Muttley became such a brute overnight
Annie [2d\]: much amazed
Muttley [3k\]: I do cortical recording and various neuro-electrophysiological stuff, so yeah :)
]
;W[oq]WL[1866.379]C[Muttley [3k\]: hmm, I did?
Ootakamoku [-\]: w sort of needs that ponnuki to live
]
;B[gp]BL[1543.442]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: nothing else matters much
Muttley [3k\]: must eat more cheese :)
]
;W[go]WL[1861.914]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: and its not going to live ofcourse
yukinosita [5d\]: Is Jimmy a new Go Bot?
Muttley [3k\]: file that under "good luck with that", Oota
]
;B[pp]BL[1528.8]
;W[pr]WL[1854.087]C[suibaku [1d\]: that ponnuki living would be an interesting thing to see
]
;B[qp]BL[1516.523]
;W[rp]WL[1851.711]C[suibaku [1d\]: it doesnt even really have aji though
]
;B[qr]BL[1504.064]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: w m16 to capture o16 stones
suibaku [1d\]: it makes me wonder why white even played it
Muttley [3k\]: No, Jimmy is white here, Taiwanese 6d
craig [4k\]: that doens't work, right?
Annie [2d\]: this is the type of move someone would instantly cut then immediately regret
]
;W[ro]WL[1814.601]C[Muttley [3k\]: Its not really true to say in the 15-80 Hz range because neurons operate at much higher frequencies
]
;B[ps]BL[1484.764]C[gogonuts [4d\]: the juicy looking J11 was cruelly denied by zen :-)
]
;W[or]WL[1811.433]C[Muttley [3k\]: but aggregate behaviour is at a lower frequency area, for sure
]
;B[qq]BL[1472.167]
;W[np]WL[1797.446]
;B[no]BL[1459.068]
;W[mp]WL[1791.16]
;B[bp]BL[1441.222]C[suibaku [1d\]: muttley, why must you contradict the interwebz? o_O
Muttley [3k\]: because I know better :)
Annie [2d\]: Because hes the Internet not the webz
]
;W[bo]WL[1727.324]
;B[cn]BL[1423.065]C[suibaku [1d\]: is chat on kgs monitored by the feds?
]
;W[bn]WL[1721.904]
;B[bh]BL[1410.842]C[matiej [10k\]: sure
Muttley [3k\]: OK, consider the following: up to 2 kHz, there is a phenomenon known as "phase locking", that is- the neurons run in real time
Ootakamoku [-\]: suibaku, only nsa
]
;W[dn]WL[1711.582]
;B[cj]BL[1396.085]C[craig [4k\]: laser gyros do it to
Muttley [3k\]: so you stimulate a neural at 2kHz, it responds with 2Khz modulation
]
;W[bi]WL[1697.075]C[Muttley [3k\]: neural group
]
;B[ci]BL[1383.841]
;W[fp]WL[1693.085]C[Muttley [3k\]: ergo, you have brain activity in the k region
suibaku [1d\]: go on
]
;B[eq]BL[1369.49]C[suibaku [1d\]: but at that frequency, it's just noise
]
;W[md]WL[1684.579]C[Muttley [3k\]: it isn't :)
craig [4k\]: this is nice
]
;B[me]BL[1353.502]C[suibaku [1d\]: invaded
]
;W[ne]WL[1664.694]C[Muttley [3k\]: what's going on with the bad aji, here we go
]
;B[pf]BL[1340.5]
;W[le]WL[1660.918]C[suibaku [1d\]: really invaded
]
;B[mf]BL[1329.069]
;W[ld]WL[1659.596]C[suibaku [1d\]: that ponnuki might just find a way -.-
]
;B[kf]BL[1312.875]
;W[lf]WL[1657.547]
;B[lg]BL[1297.15]
;W[mg]WL[1650.623]
;B[nf]BL[1286.327]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: white probablyh shoulda q15 cut to make liberty problems
]
;W[ke]WL[1644.573]
;B[jf]BL[1274.947]
;W[kl]WL[1637.225]
;B[lk]BL[1264.902]
;W[je]WL[1634.509]
;B[if]BL[1253.957]
;W[ie]WL[1627.989]
;B[hf]BL[1243.802]
;W[he]WL[1620.094]C[suibaku [1d\]: it didn't find a way :\\
]
;B[ge]BL[1233.714]
;W[id]WL[1607.927]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: f17 dead if ignore
]
;B[bd]BL[1218.864]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: or ko for everything
]
;W[fd]WL[1601.582]C[suibaku [1d\]: oooh
]
;B[ed]BL[1208.177]C[suibaku [1d\]: throw in?
]
;W[gf]WL[1599.775]
;B[fe]BL[1197.641]C[Muttley [3k\]: w 77.5, b 77 if none of this works
Muttley [3k\]: maybe b 82
suibaku [1d\]: throw in doesnt work -.-
gogonuts [4d\]: L13 and m12 are miai
Muttley [3k\]: b+7.5 here
]
;W[rd]WL[1535.439]C[suibaku [1d\]: he tried so hard and got so far
]
;B[bc]BL[1184.195]C[suibaku [1d\]: but in the end, it didn't even matter
]
;W[bb]WL[1530.931]C[Muttley [3k\]: probably b+2.5 in the end
]
;B[ri]BL[1174.102]
;W[rj]WL[1525.135]
;B[sj]BL[1159.006]
;W[sk]WL[1522.815]
;B[si]BL[1148.481]
;W[qi]WL[1518.114]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: white is wen chih chen?
matiej [10k\]: o13 m12 g13 doesnt work?
]
;B[rh]BL[1138.617]
;W[rl]WL[1506.906]C[suibaku [1d\]: no
suibaku [1d\]: doesnt work
]
;B[li]BL[1124.413]
;W[ab]WL[1498.556]C[suibaku [1d\]: now it works even less -.-
]
;B[dm]BL[1114.09]
;W[ao]WL[1488.294]
;B[cp]BL[1104.268]
;W[fq]WL[1484.034]
;B[fr]BL[1095.371]
;W[is]WL[1481.762]
;B[gs]BL[1086.566]
;W[nj]WL[1460.693]
;B[mj]BL[1077.265]C[Muttley [3k\]: b nearly one group
]
;W[fl]WL[1444.497]
;B[el]BL[1067.971]C[suibaku [1d\]: yep
suibaku [1d\]: only needs e6
]
;W[ap]WL[1426.891]
;B[aq]BL[1058.958]C[matiej [10k\]: for style points you mean? 
]
;W[cd]WL[1410.322]C[suibaku [1d\]: as a general rule, if you have 1 group at the end of the game, you win
]
;B[do]BL[1046.799]C[suibaku [1d\]: I'm not even joking
]
;W[be]WL[1391.32]
;B[bf]BL[1037.844]
;W[ad]WL[1366.904]
;B[ae]BL[1028.945]
;W[ac]WL[1365.54]
;B[mo]BL[1020.529]
;W[kp]WL[1358.826]
;B[rr]BL[1011.275]
;W[sr]WL[1355.366]
;B[hs]BL[999.913]
;W[js]WL[1352.263]
;B[pi]BL[988.548]
;W[oi]WL[1345.181]
;B[pj]BL[976.641]C[Muttley [3k\]: 79.5 w, 79 b I get, maybe half point game
]
;W[nh]WL[1329.741]
;B[ni]BL[968.21]
;W[og]WL[1325.186]
;B[ph]BL[959.943]
;W[of]WL[1323.926]C[suibaku [1d\]: ;o
]
;B[ql]BL[951.722]C[suibaku [1d\]: this happened
Muttley [3k\]: eek
NightShift [6d\]: w yose master
]
;W[pe]WL[1314.746]C[Muttley [3k\]: w ignored aji too
]
;B[qn]BL[942.359]C[suibaku [1d\]: this really happened
suibaku [1d\]: entire right is dead
Muttley [3k\]: well, no beed to recount this one
Ootakamoku [-\]: q15 was tad too much
Muttley [3k\]: s6
]
;W[qm]WL[1227.033]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: s6 s7
Muttley [3k\]: yeah
]
;B[pm]BL[934.411]
;W[qk]WL[1225.037]C[suibaku [1d\]: q8
]
;B[pl]BL[926.476]
;W[rm]WL[1221.882]
;B[pk]BL[918.892]
;W[rn]WL[1218.378]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: funny, zen being merciful
]
;B[rk]BL[911.24]C[NightShift [6d\]: really?
mate105 [1d\]: No
Ootakamoku [-\]: ah, same result this way too
gghideki [2k?\]: thanks for the game
Muttley [3k\]: Again, thank you both
ofbusy [-\]: zen rules
Muttley [3k\]: Thank you Fuzz2015 and enjoy the conference
gghideki [2k?\]: missing R6?
suibaku [1d\]: q15 doesnt accomplish anything, right?
gogonuts [4d\]: w good enough to beat zen, but has to adjust to bots, these games were pretty one-sided
himanin [2k\]: yeah
gogonuts [4d\]: including zens losss
gghideki [2k?\]: Ok all, see you tommorow
suibaku [1d\]: even before q15, the exchange is apparently 3 points worse for white than just defending
AlexOss [3k\]: who is white?
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