(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[0.50]TM[2700]
PW[fuzz2015]PB[Zen19S]DT[2015-08-03]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Zen19S [-\]: GTP Engine for Zen19S (black): Zen version 10.4d13
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[pd]BL[2689.156]C[heureux [3k\]: who is this fuzz2015?
]
;W[]WL[2675.064]
;B[dd]BL[2672.309]
;W[]WL[2670.88]C[Muttley [3k\]: http://oase.nutn.edu.tw/FUZZIEEE2015/schedule_day2.htm
]
;B[dp]BL[2657.331]
;W[]WL[2670.876]C[Muttley [3k\]: Ping Chiang Chou
Muttley [3k\]: 5p
]
;B[pp]BL[2643.151]
;W[qf]WL[2665.879]C[heureux [3k\]: hmm, den i root for zen :)
]
;B[nc]BL[2628.167]
;W[qk]WL[2661.445]C[heureux [3k\]: go go zen, beat the pro :)
]
;B[jp]BL[2609.033]
;W[cn]WL[2657.122]
;B[fp]BL[2591.116]
;W[cf]WL[2641.798]
;B[fc]BL[2575.408]
;W[dj]WL[2625.561]
;B[jd]BL[2562.192]
;W[nq]WL[2609.16]
;B[no]BL[2546.326]C[Muttley [3k\]: w has a very free development so far
Muttley [3k\]: zen not really concerned at all
]
;W[pr]WL[2603.337]
;B[qm]BL[2529.511]
;W[rd]WL[2592.678]
;B[ol]BL[2510.204]C[Muttley [3k\]: W is Ping Chiang Chou, Chinese 5p
]
;W[ok]WL[2571.435]C[NightShift [6d\]: go Zen!
]
;B[nk]BL[2495.864]
;W[oj]WL[2570.394]C[redreoicy [3d\]: What are the betting odds at
]
;B[qq]BL[2481.373]
;W[lq]WL[2567.082]
;B[kq]BL[2465.83]
;W[lp]WL[2562.921]C[NightShift [6d\]: w needs to get revenge for his friend who lost yesterday
]
;B[jn]BL[2450.556]C[Muttley [3k\]: the fighting will be interesting
]
;W[cq]WL[2552.765]C[redreoicy [3d\]: what happened yesterday!?!
Muttley [3k\]: w is a different player, this is a generic account
NightShift [6d\]: zen played a taiwan 6d even, won 2-1
]
;B[cp]BL[2435.272]C[Muttley [3k\]: zen won 2-1 against a Taiwanese 6d ama, but should have been 3-0
]
;W[bp]WL[2539.692]
;B[dq]BL[2420.809]C[Muttley [3k\]: This w is a Chinese 5p, hence the 4h
]
;W[br]WL[2533.273]C[NightShift [6d\]: i bet on zen to win first game and pro to win 2-1 :)
]
;B[df]BL[2402.808]C[himanin [2k\]: Zen doesnt know C2?
Muttley [3k\]: typical bot to leave out c2
]
;W[cd]WL[2490.249]C[HW [?\]: I bet on whtie
HW [?\]: *white
]
;B[ce]BL[2386.887]
;W[be]WL[2487.842]C[HW [?\]: zen19 ain't no crazystone
]
;B[de]BL[2371.676]
;W[bc]WL[2486.635]C[heureux [3k\]: without C2 is like b lost 2 pts at yose
himanin [2k\]: CS is better with pro, imo
heureux [3k\]: or b wan to use C2 as ko threat?
]
;B[gi]BL[2348.342]C[Muttley [3k\]: CS took 3 stones from Cho Chikun and got slaughtered
]
;W[cg]WL[2476.946]C[HW [?\]: but crazystone is quite a bit better than zen imo
]
;B[ei]BL[2324.582]C[redreoicy [3d\]: not sure about that
]
;W[nj]WL[2464.37]C[heureux [3k\]: yeah
]
;B[kg]BL[2301.856]C[heureux [3k\]: CS n Zen is quite even
NightShift [6d\]: time to invade top?
heureux [3k\]: G11 n L13 is bot style :)
NightShift [6d\]: or will pro find a clever reduce
]
;W[lc]WL[2434.528]C[Muttley [3k\]: Hard to say which is better, their games against each other get very odd
]
;B[ld]BL[2282.759]C[HW [?\]: I feel like crazystone plays more naturally than zen but it's just my opinion 
]
;W[kc]WL[2417.252]C[NightShift [6d\]: so far the pro has been super reasonable
heureux [3k\]: lol
]
;B[md]BL[2266.55]C[NightShift [6d\]: i think if he loses the next two games will be more violent :_
heureux [3k\]: pro has a tendency to win beautifully
]
;W[hb]WL[2394.848]C[Muttley [3k\]: nah, pro knows to just play honte like o10
Hrewsahgs [1k\]: About how strong is this Zen?
Muttley [3k\]: 5d-6d
heureux [3k\]: 6d
]
;B[hc]BL[2247.941]C[HW [?\]: 4d-5d
HW [?\]: I mean it's not like zen currently holds 6d on KGS as far as i know
NightShift [6d\]: yesterday hideki said 5d with these settings and this hardware
Muttley [3k\]: This is the Zen19Sandwich version, which makes you lunch
rgong [5d?\]: hi i'm new
rgong [5d?\]: how to show the coordinates?
Muttley [3k\]: fair enough, NightShift
Muttley [3k\]: ctrl-L I think
Muttley [3k\]: yeah, that works
rgong [5d?\]: ty
heureux [3k\]: hmm... sandwich version... sound yummy
HW [?\]: and people nowadays say top bots are 6d which is pretty silly 
HW [?\]: crazystone once reached 6d on kgs on blitz time settings
NightShift [6d\]: is the D version death cos it kills you?
Muttley [3k\]: No, that's Dinner
craig [4k\]: file/set preferences/show coordinates
heureux [3k\]: D for development...
heureux [3k\]: but death sound more deadly :)
]
;W[nb]WL[2276.788]C[Muttley [3k\]: ok, I'll stop kidding :)
rgong [5d?\]: I hope I can beat Zen even
]
;B[mb]BL[2223.917]C[Muttley [3k\]: see if zen even bothers with n10
]
;W[mc]WL[2272.348]C[heureux [3k\]: rgong, u r 5d, so it is possible
Muttley [3k\]: are you playing later rgong?
himanin [2k\]: Japanese pro, Kobayashi Satoru valuated CS around amateur 7d
NightShift [6d\]: i think once you know how zen plays 5d can win most games, but first time will def lose
]
;B[ob]BL[2206.301]
;W[kd]WL[2263.586]C[NightShift [6d\]: that's japanese ama ranks though...
heureux [3k\]: b created some thinness
Muttley [3k\]: zen is very good at trading
]
;B[ke]BL[2185.649]
;W[je]WL[2258.941]C[NightShift [6d\]: when i was in japan i played 20 6d+, won 19, only loss was to a WAGC entrant
rgong [5d?\]: I think I am better than 5d, I just played 2 rated games yet. But we'll see
Muttley [3k\]: so "thinness" isn't an issue until it becomes woo bad aji
NightShift [6d\]: so their ranks are easier than KGS/EGFetc
]
;B[lf]BL[2160.529]C[rgong [5d?\]: I heard bots are bad at end-games?
rgong [5d?\]: is it true?
heureux [3k\]: yes
NightShift [6d\]: depends on the score :)
Muttley [3k\]: depends
heureux [3k\]: they like to fill in their own territory :)
Muttley [3k\]: also on their programming- some are programmed for sente over too much
]
;W[lb]WL[2231.731]C[heureux [3k\]: but tat is to win 0.5
Muttley [3k\]: so when it comes down to gote yose then they tend to mess up
]
;B[ic]BL[2138.734]
;W[ma]WL[2226.726]C[NightShift [6d\]: zen doing nicely
NightShift [6d\]: keeping it simple
]
;B[cr]BL[2114.125]C[heureux [3k\]: look even now
]
;W[bq]WL[2222.214]C[heureux [3k\]: w has good chance
Muttley [3k\]: I'd still like to see it find n10 n11 m11
rgong [5d?\]: i don't think zen is leading by that much
redreoicy [3d\]: usually bot is best at endgame compared to other parts, just gives away points if ahead 
]
;B[mk]BL[2086.685]C[NightShift [6d\]: b still ahead
Muttley [3k\]: solid pony
NightShift [6d\]: but w no weaknesses so he can carry on attacking
Muttley [3k\]: no double hane today
]
;W[op]WL[2182.054]C[heureux [3k\]: got a feeling b losing
]
;B[pq]BL[2064.791]
;W[qr]WL[2170.157]C[Muttley [3k\]: set phasers to stun
]
;B[rr]BL[2047.167]C[NightShift [6d\]: a lot depends on center.... surprise surprise
HW [?\]: don't worry, when black gets into time trouble, he'll crack under pressure 
]
;W[oq]WL[2139.484]C[HW [?\]: bots are known for that
heureux [3k\]: lol
redreoicy [3d\]: just insult his mother
HW [?\]: ^
]
;B[qs]BL[2029.688]C[heureux [3k\]: zen is even stronger at blitzl...
]
;W[os]WL[2137.661]C[heureux [3k\]: at 15 sec...
heureux [3k\]: very few high dans amatuer can match...
]
;B[mr]BL[2005.824]C[rgong [5d?\]: is zen available online?
]
;W[po]WL[2134.643]C[heureux [3k\]: wow, N2...
]
;B[rp]BL[1988.917]C[HW [?\]: that's another exaggeration
NightShift [6d\]: yes it's over the top
heureux [3k\]: b wanna kill
NightShift [6d\]: mid dans might struggle, high dans can win
heureux [3k\]: hmm
HW [?\]: i think legit 6d kgs would beat zen in blitz more than 60% of the time
]
;W[oo]WL[2096.189]C[heureux [3k\]: really?
HW [?\]: yes
heureux [3k\]: i dun think so
NightShift [6d\]: i think so
heureux [3k\]: machine think hell lot faster
]
;B[pl]BL[1966.241]C[NightShift [6d\]: they think a hell of a lot stupider too
HW [?\]: i mean crazystone lost to a 7d tygem amateur this year in an even game
]
;W[ro]WL[2080.271]C[heureux [3k\]: yes, oni when they screw up
]
;B[rn]BL[1949.4]C[NightShift [6d\]: tygem 7d is kgs 5d?
HW [?\]: and 6d kgs is like 9d tygem
HW [?\]: more or less
HW [?\]: well a weak 9d tygem
]
;W[qo]WL[2052.212]C[Demon [2d\]: i made a tygem 5d resign one time.  was one of my 5 or so games there  lol
heureux [3k\]: Hw, u haf to play agst Zen...
]
;B[so]BL[1932.69]C[heureux [3k\]: den u will start to respect Zen... :)
HW [?\]: it's stronger at me in blitz
NightShift [6d\]: 5d doesn't make sense on tygem cos you can start as 5d so some of them are 20k :p
redreoicy [3d\]: not anymore
redreoicy [3d\]: now start at 3d
HW [?\]: but in a slow game, I think I'd win more than half the time
NightShift [6d\]: oh
]
;W[lr]WL[2030.02]C[Demon [2d\]: no it was a solid 5d with hundreds of games played
NightShift [6d\]: fair
HW [?\]: i'm 7d tygem, 5-1 rn
]
;B[nr]BL[1914.774]
;W[or]WL[2027.252]C[heureux [3k\]: if b kill here... game over
]
;B[nn]BL[1895.638]C[heureux [3k\]: pray for the pro
NightShift [6d\]: b cant kill this
]
;W[jr]WL[2015.924]
;B[kr]BL[1879.806]
;W[ks]WL[2012.757]
;B[iq]BL[1863.809]C[heureux [3k\]: high chance, it is dead
]
;W[ir]WL[2009.069]C[heureux [3k\]: Zen good at such thingy
]
;B[hq]BL[1847.793]
;W[hr]WL[2006.971]
;B[gr]BL[1831.84]C[heureux [3k\]: w need 2nd eye
RabidKyu [6k\]: G3
heureux [3k\]: look ellusive
]
;W[ko]WL[1983.938]C[NightShift [6d\]: i believe in the pro
NightShift [6d\]: r6 sente will save the day
]
;B[kp]BL[1810.65]
;W[mo]WL[1976.886]
;B[pk]BL[1791.249]
;W[pj]WL[1973.577]C[DATEALIVE [?\]: is this game 1?
]
;B[lm]BL[1767.848]C[NightShift [6d\]: yep
heureux [3k\]: O4 seki isnt it?
rgong [5d?\]: yep
]
;W[np]WL[1955.887]C[heureux [3k\]: b give up killing :)
Usurper [3d\]: do we know who white is?
NightShift [6d\]: 5p
]
;B[ln]BL[1753.003]C[rgong [5d?\]: a 5p pro from Taiwan
heureux [3k\]: go for center
]
;W[lo]WL[1948.425]C[NightShift [6d\]: http://oase.nutn.edu.tw/FUZZIEEE2015/schedule_day2.htm
heureux [3k\]: strange
]
;B[dn]BL[1738.216]
;W[dm]WL[1942.982]C[heureux [3k\]: usually, zen will all out to kill
NightShift [6d\]: he didn't believe in the kill
]
;B[em]BL[1722.907]C[Demon [2d\]: well this turned out as seki.  maybe next weak group  :)
]
;W[dl]WL[1915.058]C[heureux [3k\]: hmm
NightShift [6d\]: center is looking quite territoryesque
]
;B[cc]BL[1707.843]C[heureux [3k\]: w no more weak group
]
;W[bd]WL[1911.856]C[heureux [3k\]: now it is big yose time
]
;B[pf]BL[1693.897]
;W[qg]WL[1904.977]C[craig [4k\]: h18 not strong ;)
Manslay [4k\]: w needs sente
NightShift [6d\]: h18 not a group :p
]
;B[pg]BL[1680.202]C[Demon [2d\]: ^
heureux [3k\]: b look like winning now
]
;W[ph]WL[1890.991]C[redreoicy [3d\]: It's a solitary group of one
redreoicy [3d\]: doomed to death
NightShift [6d\]: the identity group
]
;B[qe]BL[1664.074]C[Demon [2d\]: i consider it aji, not a weak group  lol
]
;W[re]WL[1889.461]C[redreoicy [3d\]: now it's even being marginalized as aji
]
;B[ib]BL[1646.295]C[HW [?\]: lol
NightShift [6d\]: b making it easier for us to count :)
]
;W[oc]WL[1886.5]C[redreoicy [3d\]: fight against group discrimination 
]
;B[nd]BL[1632.288]C[craig [4k\]: k15 also wobbly
]
;W[pc]WL[1882.615]C[rgong [5d?\]: look, zen go for the weak group
]
;B[co]BL[1613.471]
;W[bo]WL[1875.826]C[heureux [3k\]: sente moves...
stj1997 [1d\]: sorry, but n3 can't kill?
redreoicy [3d\]: it can't
redreoicy [3d\]: it would be a seki
heureux [3k\]: seki at most
]
;B[mj]BL[1596.314]C[Demon [2d\]: n3 --> n1 = seki
stj1997 [1d\]: oh
stj1997 [1d\]: thanks
Demon [2d\]: it is sente seki though
]
;W[fk]WL[1853.146]C[rgong [5d?\]: F9 I suppose
Demon [2d\]: so b will definitely play it in the endgame
rgong [5d?\]: yeah
NightShift [6d\]: w around 50 plus some b yose opps
]
;B[gk]BL[1580.564]
;W[gl]WL[1836.778]C[RabidKyu [6k\]: No N3 R6 Aline
rgong [5d?\]: I think the strongest part of me is yose :)
NightShift [6d\]: b still ahead
]
;B[hl]BL[1561.753]
;W[gj]WL[1833.415]C[Manslay [4k\]: what's the proper white yose in UL? is it d18 ?
]
;B[hk]BL[1548.078]C[heureux [3k\]: yes
]
;W[fj]WL[1819.724]
;B[hj]BL[1535.531]
;W[fi]WL[1818.236]C[heureux [3k\]: or C18
NightShift [6d\]: but here d17 might be good cos it makes some j with d13
]
;B[fh]BL[1522.408]
;W[gh]WL[1816.274]C[NightShift [6d\]: j=aji
]
;B[hi]BL[1509.448]
;W[eh]WL[1815.137]
;B[fg]BL[1497.016]
;W[eg]WL[1814.368]C[heureux [3k\]: b closing shop now
rgong [5d?\]: white get sente and will go g7
]
;B[cb]BL[1479.566]C[heureux [3k\]: wat?
]
;W[ff]WL[1808.921]C[redreoicy [3d\]: se doesn't like white
NightShift [6d\]: bold zen
HW [?\]: tengen
Demon [2d\]: zen counting
HW [?\]: would be dame
]
;B[gg]BL[1467.315]
;W[gf]WL[1807.332]C[HW [?\]: or loses a point
heureux [3k\]: how can c18 be so big???
himanin [2k\]: miai
]
;B[hg]BL[1455.199]
;W[ef]WL[1806.343]C[Demon [2d\]: zen trying to make this .5?
redreoicy [3d\]: well c18 is very big
heureux [3k\]: now G15 area gone
]
;B[oh]BL[1438.318]C[NightShift [6d\]: c18 was big, but still seems like a miss
redreoicy [3d\]: but even if zen lost points it wasn't a lot
NightShift [6d\]: mm
heureux [3k\]: maybe wan to regain sente... hmm
]
;W[qi]WL[1758.551]C[rgong [5d?\]: c18 is about 15pts gote
]
;B[dg]BL[1425.768]
;W[dh]WL[1755.332]C[himanin [2k\]: f8 gote?
]
;B[el]BL[1409.7]C[heureux [3k\]: N3 is like reverse sente 7?
]
;W[en]WL[1726.483]C[NightShift [6d\]: getting close now
]
;B[fn]BL[1392.38]C[NightShift [6d\]: i still count b around 10 up
heureux [3k\]: i m doubtful on b now
NightShift [6d\]: but pro yose to come
]
;W[do]WL[1706.222]C[heureux [3k\]: w shd be able to win on small margin
]
;B[eo]BL[1379.968]
;W[dn]WL[1703.706]C[NightShift [6d\]: r11 and d6 seem like confident moves
]
;B[ek]BL[1363.202]
;W[ej]WL[1701.472]
;B[dk]BL[1349.426]C[NightShift [6d\]: ?
rgong [5d?\]: ?
NightShift [6d\]: suicide
]
;W[fm]WL[1688.252]C[Demon [2d\]: uh?
rgong [5d?\]: lol
Gokage [8k\]: ?
himanin [2k\]: Zen doesnt play gote yose
heureux [3k\]: hahahaha
]
;B[ck]BL[1332.121]
;W[fl]WL[1685.972]C[heureux [3k\]: juz F8 bot
]
;B[cl]BL[1317.442]
;W[bm]WL[1682.558]C[NightShift [6d\]: gg
heureux [3k\]: why go in n die
Demon [2d\]: i really think zen is just trying to make this a .5 game, or believes he is already behind  lol
rgong [5d?\]: resign time
]
;B[ch]BL[1303.869]C[NightShift [6d\]: i can only guess it thinks it's losing
redreoicy [3d\]: zen won't resign
]
;W[bh]WL[1678.575]C[ChrisShien [3k\]: zen's bug here !!
oTeao [1k\]: n3 ?
]
;B[ci]BL[1290.588]
;W[bi]WL[1675.698]C[NightShift [6d\]: this misread was too simple for zen if playing normal
heureux [3k\]: omg
]
;B[cj]BL[1274.554]C[heureux [3k\]: bad ending
]
;W[di]WL[1674.239]C[heureux [3k\]: this is too simple for a pro...
NightShift [6d\]: h14 g6 miai
]
;B[rh]BL[1260.15]C[redreoicy [3d\]: it's not over
]
;W[qh]WL[1670.878]C[rgong [5d?\]: no it's over
himanin [2k\]: over
redreoicy [3d\]: well maybe it is
HW [?\]: well
redreoicy [3d\]: but i have faith
]
;B[pb]BL[1245.291]C[redreoicy [3d\]: in our robot overlords
]
;W[qc]WL[1667.917]C[rgong [5d?\]: Q18
HW [?\]: maybe white needs to use the washroom or something
HW [?\]: during the last minute
NightShift [6d\]: hehe
redreoicy [3d\]: my faith is going away
oTeao [1k\]: m1 n1 n3?
]
;B[js]BL[1229.536]C[NightShift [6d\]: hard to have faith after q18
]
;W[is]WL[1661.355]C[heureux [3k\]: resign soon
redreoicy [3d\]: q18 is a move which tosses faith away
ChrisShien [3k\]: zen loss balance
]
;B[mq]BL[1216.279]
;W[ms]WL[1659.719]C[NightShift [6d\]: i wonder if zen read the seki correctly earlier
]
;B[rk]BL[1201.135]
;W[rj]WL[1656.006]C[NightShift [6d\]: i guess it did
]
;B[hf]BL[1186.152]C[heureux [3k\]: some respect for this 6d bot pls
]
;W[gn]WL[1653.052]C[heureux [3k\]: N3 is like 3k stuff?
]
;B[fo]BL[1172.883]
;W[mn]WL[1649.52]C[redreoicy [3d\]: zen was just doing a big sacrifice here is the moves white ends up filling see
NightShift [6d\]: but bots are famous for L+D glitches
]
;B[rl]BL[1158.124]C[rgong [5d?\]: pro is not even serious now
]
;W[mm]WL[1642.255]C[heureux [3k\]: over for b
rgong [5d?\]: N6 obv. smaller than S8
]
;B[ge]BL[1144.332]C[heureux [3k\]: b lost a good game
]
;W[ed]WL[1623.607]
;B[dc]BL[1130.113]C[NightShift [6d\]: will they go to 5 stones or stay at 4?
himanin [2k\]: thats what i said, Zen not stable as CS vs pro
RabidKyu [6k\]: SE stiull gives B the lead,
molix [3k\]: your saying that like it's sentient
NightShift [6d\]: SE is a n00b
heureux [3k\]: after D9 n Q18 mistakes... b still leading???
]
;W[ho]WL[1590.866]C[heureux [3k\]: i doubt
]
;B[hm]BL[1115.991]
;W[gm]WL[1588.067]
;B[io]BL[1103.366]C[NightShift [6d\]: w wants to break the seki
heureux [3k\]: w better rem to fill 4 stones...
comateb12d: yep
]
;W[ml]WL[1568.811]C[NightShift [6d\]: total gg
]
;B[hn]BL[1089.457]
;W[go]WL[1566.963]
;B[fe]BL[1075.285]C[rgong [5d?\]: error again
redreoicy [3d\]: rip zen
heureux [3k\]: shd be E15
heureux [3k\]: strange
NightShift [6d\]: just erroring cos losing now
]
;W[ee]WL[1546.171]
;B[gp]BL[1061.514]
;W[bj]WL[1542.971]C[NightShift [6d\]: no point evaluating zen's moves since d9
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;B[hp]BL[1047.456]
;W[bk]WL[1540.348]C[heureux [3k\]: D9 is like 10k mistake... haiz
NightShift [6d\]: right so zen was already on tilt then
Gokage [8k\]: game over...
Gokage [8k\]: too poor
heureux [3k\]: sweet revenge for the pro
gghideki [2k?\]: thank you for playing
NightShift [6d\]: when is round 2?
RabidKyu [6k\]: It will be interesting to see ig fuzz is more agresdsive next game.
NightShift [6d\]: no need to be, he can win reasonably :)
heureux [3k\]: pro is strong :)
zephr [8k\]: i'm pretty new here.. is zen a bot or something? people kept talking about AI and bots..
guxxan [4d\]: there is a schedule website
NightShift [6d\]: mm yesterday they didn't follow it
guxxan [4d\]: If Zen lose 2 games, the third one will be h5 I think
NightShift [6d\]: just played when human was ready
fuzz2015 [?\]: round2 (GMT + 3) 10:00 
NightShift [6d\]: cool
DATEALIVE [?\]: zen is a bot
zephr [8k\]: oic..
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