(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]HA[2]KM[0.50]TM[1200]OT[3x60 byo-yomi]
PW[Hyeyeon]PB[Zen19X]WR[9p]DT[2016-07-27]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]AB[pd][dp]C[Zen19X [-\]: GTP Engine for Zen19X (black): Zen version 11.9
Hyeyeon [9p\]: рш
]RE[B+1.50]
;W[qo]WL[1187.832]C[gghideki [?\]: gg
IA [-\]: o.o
IA [-\]: test again >.<
ergodic [3d\]: gg
rsbot [-\]: no, this is for real
rsbot [-\]: The following analysis is brought to you by Leela 0.62. Enjoy!
]
;B[dd]BL[1158.263]C[rsbot [-\]: [B2\] Best move: d16 (winrate 59.38% in 41622 playouts); sequence: d16 f3 c6 d2
]
;W[qf]WL[1176.666]C[flobby [-\]: thanks rsunbot
pookpooi [?\]: yes!
rsbot [-\]: yw :)
gghideki [?\]: 1 min byoyomi is too long...?
GoIngo [?\]: Youtube shows Hyeyeon live, playing at monitor
supporter [?\]: o16
IA [-\]: w is a korean? but she using russian client
supporter [?\]: playouts 1
gghideki [?\]: oh
supporter [?\]: winrate 0%
]
;B[nd]BL[1109.981]
;W[pi]WL[1169.132]C[ergodic [3d\]: link GoIngo?
flobby [-\]: cuz... the go congress is in russia?
Cybercage [5k\]: stream is lagging a bit?
Proucht [2d\]: w+ already
rsbot [-\]: [B6\] Best move: p4 (winrate 60.28% in 37250 playouts); sequence: p4 q3 p3 q2
GoIngo [?\]: egc2016 channel
trohde [?\]: https://youtu.be/0zjRBVVRdDM
]
;B[op]BL[1073.192]C[ergodic [3d\]: th
ergodic [3d\]: x
rsun [5d\]: leelabot on fire
Schachus12 [3k\]: IA, she is in russia, at the european congress
]
;W[pq]WL[1150.183]C[humani: kkk
humani: kkkkk
humani: ilbe.com
rsbot [-\]: [B8\] Best move: p3
]
;B[oq]BL[1043.658]C[goBum [?\]: hi mom, i'm on tv
]
;W[pr]WL[1134.845]C[ergodic [3d\]: lol
Francisco [4d\]: Best move p2?
humani: gall.dcinside.com/baduk
]
;B[jp]BL[992.636]C[rsbot [-\]: [B10\] Best move: l3 (winrate 60.66% in 44947 playouts); sequence: l3 p6 d10 f3
pookpooi [?\]: she's complaining that zen is too slow
supporter [?\]: winrate is the same as value?
]
;W[cn]WL[1116.403]C[GoIngo [?\]: forget winrate at this point
rsun [5d\]: zen going for moyo
ergodic [3d\]: the value function?
GoIngo [?\]: it does not make much sense in handicap games
sysreq [1k\]: winrate is the number of won simulated games where the move mentioned is the first move played, as far as i'm aware
]
;B[fp]BL[950.858]C[zxcvbnm [1k\]: Eh, why not
zxcvbnm [1k\]: It only eats up a line per move or 2
rsbot [-\]: [W13\] Best move: c9 (winrate 41.68% in 35395 playouts); sequence: c9 q6 q5 p5
]
;W[dj]WL[1099.557]C[supporter [?\]: f4 looks weak, the pincer was better
]
;B[ch]BL[924.415]C[flobby [-\]: are you stronger than 7d?
]
;W[lc]WL[1085.586]C[gghideki [?\]: long thinking time make Zen prefer center
IA [-\]: bots love c12
supporter [?\]: just my opinion :)
rsun [5d\]: now pincer
supporter [?\]: j17 was better than m17 :D
rsbot [-\]: [B16\] Best move: j17 (winrate 60.18% in 40528 playouts); sequence: j17 m15 q14 q13
sysreq [1k\]: so your plan is to first build the bottom area, then abandon it when w approaches with c6? makes no sense
pookpooi [?\]: what machine do you use in this match? hideki?
]
;B[id]BL[877.086]C[jungsang: 조혜연프로님 화이팅!! 프로연우와 팬들이 응원중입니다!!! 
humani: interesting
humani: point
]
;W[le]WL[1076.37]C[humani: getting into
humani: fight
rsun [5d\]: only 2 b moves not on 4th line
rsun [5d\]: middle game will be intense
]
;B[og]BL[849.929]C[sysreq [1k\]: only 4 b moves on 4th line
had9026: df
had9026: 조혜연 사범님 파이팅
]
;W[pg]WL[1059.294]C[sysreq [1k\]: :3
rsbot [-\]: [W19\] Best move: q13 (winrate 40.62% in 35656 playouts); sequence: q13 p12 q12 n17
probetter: 젠을 응원한다
rsun [5d\]: *below 4th line
]
;B[oh]BL[818.851]C[Fuseques [?\]: this is all so disguisting
jungsang: cho hye yeon pro fight!!!! proyeonwoo fight!!!! 
]
;W[ph]WL[1050.268]C[yoyoma [2d?\]: jungsang님 프로연우가 경기를 방송해요?
Fuseques [?\]: a bot is playing a pro, and a bot comments on the game
jungsang: fighting
Fuseques [?\]: please shoot me
xyzw [4k\]: disguisting = disgusting in disguise?
rsbot [-\]: [B22\] Best move: m13 (winrate 60.59% in 41976 playouts); sequence: m13 o18 l16 m16
flobby [-\]: i only see 2 below the 4th line though, p3 and c12
jungsang: 마르포이님
]
;B[kd]BL[769.502]C[GoIngo [?\]: comments are from a 4-dan bot
sysreq [1k\]: p3 is the only move below the 4th line
IA [-\]: gooooo zen... all my money on you
sysreq [1k\]: the rest are obviously higher
humani: 버들숩
rsun [5d\]: c12
humani: 버들숩
]
;W[ld]WL[1026.936]C[viajero [2d?\]: How do you figure out the best move and the winrate?
Francisco [4d\]: All money on B.
rsun [5d\]: ah I got your joke
jungsang: 버들숩님? ㅋㅋ
rsun [5d\]: use leela
pumroll [2d\]: l13 looks good
]
;B[lg]BL[737.334]C[jungsang: PROYEONWOO!!!!
rsbot [-\]: [B24\] Best move: p14 (winrate 59.32% in 47160 playouts); sequence: p14 o18 o10 p9
supporter [?\]: m13 or its not zen
supporter [?\]: it is
]
;W[nb]WL[1009.697]C[had9026: proyeonwoo 
pookpooi [?\]: leela is like 4 stones weaker than zen, but it'll help in the end game for sure (if we get to see that point)
probetter: PRO YEON WOO
supporter [?\]: Hi eye on!
jungsang: mom!!! i'm on TV!!! afreca tv!!!
had9026: cho hye yeon fighting!
sysreq [1k\]: afreeca tv does go
sysreq [1k\]: ?
rsun [5d\]: zen/cs wr during alpha-lee match was quite accurate
rsun [5d\]: although they were 4 stones weaker than alpha at that time
GoIngo [?\]: right
]
;B[jg]BL[687.194]C[rsbot [-\]: in[B26\] Best move: p17 (winrate 61.09% in 42757 playouts)
]
;W[oc]WL[988.777]C[sysreq [1k\]: didn't expect k13
pookpooi [?\]: zen/cs is already 7d, it can be useful in middle game
rsun [5d\]: and goingo even got a warning from admin not to write CS wr in chat
sysreq [1k\]: what's b's plan?
IA [-\]: lol
sysreq [1k\]: c8 i guess?
humani: i should find the counter attack
GoIngo [?\]: only to keep tension for others :-)
]
;B[dl]BL[646.877]C[humani: may be i hope he dosen't listen to me
humani: right
rsbot [-\]: [W29\] Best move: e11 (winrate 38.64% in 38543 playouts)
]
;W[cl]WL[966.344]C[ergodic [3d\]: w on k13: "interesting"
flobby [-\]: I'm thinking, wouldn't a pure MC bot with lots and lots of simulations be accurate in winrate prediction even if its weak?
rsun [5d\]: yes, that's exactly the argument
GoIngo [?\]: do korean use "interesting" in the japanese way?
]
;B[ck]BL[614.855]C[rsun [5d\]: you mean interesting = bad?
]
;W[dk]WL[955.077]
;B[cj]BL[614.261]C[Hellhuman [2d?\]: Arent the trees way too big for that?
Cybercage [5k\]: what is japanese way?
Hanekiri [19k?\]: fabby why use a MineCraft bot for go?
flobby [-\]: what's exactly the argument?
]
;W[eo]WL[949.343]C[katatsugi [3d?\]: this is a 3 stone handicap game. the winrate after 10 moves is absolutely pointless. stop spamming.
jfhjklkm: what is rsbot doing?
GoIngo [?\]: japanese are very polite
Schachus12 [3k\]: I think this is going very well for zen
jungsang: Go go hye yeon! Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Hellhuman [2d?\]: Im not Into that topic though
rsbot [-\]: [B34\] Best move: e8 (winrate 61.20% in 28707 playouts); sequence: e8 e4 e3 d3
pookpooi [?\]: flobby, there's also conspiracy that alphago is just mcts running on enormous hardware, but you've to look at mogo
supporter [?\]: but this is 2h game kata
Schachus12 [3k\]: kepping the center pudding is his big strength
vellavu [7k\]: Pure MC bots need much more simulations than MC bots with heuristics.
]
;B[el]BL[577.389]C[sysreq [1k\]: kappa LOL
]
;W[ep]WL[930.374]C[flobby [-\]: well its obvious alphago isn't just mcts since the stuff in their whitepaper actually helped other bots get stronger
GoIngo [?\]: Leela is European contribution to this match
jfhjklkm: can somebody explain rsbot's input to me?
]
;B[eq]BL[562.705]C[GoIngo [?\]: players are from Japan and Korea
IAmini [7d\]: i learned e5 from zen, its common in handi
]
;W[dq]WL[920.529]
;B[fq]BL[562.208]C[ergodic [3d\]: intense
MMXVI [3k\]: it's inexplicable, jfhjklkm
rsbot [-\]: I'm using leelabot to predict
]
;W[cq]WL[912.002]C[rsbot [-\]: [W39\] Best move: c4 (winrate 38.67% in 37945 playouts); sequence: c4 d2 d5 c3
MMXVI [3k\]: use Censor
jfhjklkm: k thnx
GoIngo [?\]: Leelabot gives MonteCarlo percents
BOWER: AlphaGo doesn't like the center that much like Zen 
Hello123: wow
Becubio [4k\]: c17
GoIngo [?\]: maybe the name Zen comes from Cen-ter?!
]
;B[fo]BL[523.351]
;W[en]WL[908.187]C[IAmini [7d\]: yes its'
rsun [5d\]: zen comes from "zenith"
GoIngo [?\]: it may have more than one root
rsun [5d\]: so it's sort of center
Proucht [2d\]: not zen-attitude ?
CHEAPTRILS: somehow zen is doing really good so far
Cybercage [5k\]: d10 d9 looks lonely to me :(
jfhjklkm: zenith?
rsbot [-\]: [B42\] Best move: c7 (winrate 63.22% in 37106 playouts); sequence: c7 f6 b6 b5
sysreq [1k\]: looks like b already lost a lot
]
;B[cm]BL[482.171]C[GoIngo [?\]: at least Leela is happy with it
GoIngo [?\]: climbing from 60 to 63 so far
rsun [5d\]: top left very good formation
]
;W[fn]WL[878.993]C[flobby [-\]: i'm liking b too
ataraf [5k\]: b ok 
]
;B[bn]BL[450.527]C[xyzw [4k\]: i like w
rsbot [-\]: [B44\] Best move: b6 (winrate 63.48% in 37645 playouts); sequence: b6 b5 d6 d5
]
;W[co]WL[873.107]C[jlm [2d\]: W wants m4
sysreq [1k\]: d6 d5!?
Hellhuman [2d?\]: Is this a NN Version oft zen?
sysreq [1k\]: what for?
]
;B[oe]BL[411.549]C[xyzw [4k\]: seems like leela was dreaming
flobby [-\]: wow p15
Becubio [4k\]: p15 strange for me
rsbot [-\]: [W47\] Best move: r17
moscraciun [4k\]: p6?
]
;W[ib]WL[842.188]C[sysreq [1k\]: why strange?
GoIngo [?\]: maybe delay on Youtube is due to secret service?
agony [5k\]: yes, rooting for you! 
rsun [5d\]: wr is more reliable than sequence
]
;B[nj]BL[371.109]C[clossius [2d\]: youtube link?
Hellhuman [2d?\]: And the bot moyo game starts
Cybercage [5k\]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zjRBVVRdDM
rsbot [-\]: [W49\] Best move: p9 (winrate 35.60% in 45747 playouts); sequence: p9 p10 q10 o9
clossius [2d\]: thanks
]
;W[ic]WL[808.868]C[Hanekiri [19k?\]: good ideas for both sides
jfhjklkm: j17 looks so unusal to me
flobby [-\]: to me, w's last 2 moves look so slow
pookpooi [?\]: can this match get 300 observers?
IAmini [7d\]: j17 seems a nice move
]
;B[gd]BL[321.099]C[jfhjklkm: also I had not understood q12 before
viajero [2d?\]: black's winrate is only 35% even if he plays the best move?
supporter [?\]: it looks like white is not going to jump into the center desperately as the most of humans will do but slowly reduce and take cash 
rsbot [-\]: [W51\] Best move: h6 (winrate 33.28% in 41719 playouts)
Proucht [2d\]: no ads from admins ?
rsun [5d\]: wr depends on the color
flobby [-\]: i mean w could've c17 before too right? but now c17 feels a lot smaller for w
paopaoyzr [3d?\]: it's white's winrate
viajero [2d?\]: Ah, ok, I see
]
;W[lp]WL[751.838]C[supporter [?\]: sum of wr always 100%? i mean if B is 60% w is 40?
CHEAPTRILS: where is w aji onleft side???
Hanekiri [19k?\]: the bot must think it aready owns the moyo
rsun [5d\]: yes
zxcvbnm [1k\]: Yeah
flobby [-\]: who said m4 earlier? strong
GoIngo [?\]: after move 48 CrazyStone saw 66 % for Black
rsbot [-\]: [B52\] Best move: o6 (winrate 67.14% in 44041 playouts); sequence: o6 m6 q6 q5
Cybercage [5k\]: intruder alert! intruder alert!
Hellhuman [2d?\]: attwaaaack
]
;B[nm]BL[283.542]C[clossius [2d\]: G8
clossius [2d\]: nvm
rsun [5d\]: because you win x% games means you lost 1-x% games
]
;W[hp]WL[738.939]C[Schachus12 [3k\]: so leela likes blacks position better than at the start
IAmini [7d\]: some 2-4d saidit?
supporter [?\]: m4 is vital point, 10kyu can see m4, the strenght is how to continue :)
pookpooi [?\]: can we have crazystone winrate too?
vellavu [7k\]: what
rsun [5d\]: I don't have CS
deeznuts1: what is this rsbot?
kneh [?\]: 100-x
Proucht [2d\]: double invasion kombo
]
;B[ho]BL[243.894]C[Becubio [4k\]: that 9p means she is like Lee Sedol and can be a candidate against AlphaGo? So, this is a game like that one?
flobby [-\]: no they can't... I didn't know m4 was the vital point and i'm much stronger than 10kyu...
ataraf [5k\]: h4 ver agciv
IAmini [7d\]: oh kneh also can talk
jlm [2d\]: Haha...me. let me have my time in the sun supporter
rsbot [-\]: [W55\] Best move: j5 (winrate 32.52% in 33897 playouts); sequence: j5 j4 h6 g5
pookpooi [?\]: I think golngo has it
GoIngo [?\]: cs: 67 % for black now
CHEAPTRILS: w p6?
pookpooi [?\]: ty
]
;W[ip]WL[704.519]C[Hellhuman [2d?\]: Ingo just posted it a few moments ago...
Hanekiri [19k?\]: How many 9ps are there in the world anyhow?
rsun [5d\]: yup, 67% from leela's perspective too
]
;B[io]BL[226.307]C[flobby [-\]: something like 100? but 9p doesn't really mean much in terms of strength
]
;W[jq]WL[696.628]C[flobby [-\]: 1p could be stronger than 9p
Hellhuman [2d?\]: White already feeling pressured?
supporter [?\]: kgs kibitz Hyeyeon+R
]
;B[jo]BL[211.682]C[supporter [?\]: 100%!
]
;W[kq]WL[682.805]C[rsbot [-\]: [W59\] Best move: l3 (winrate 32.05% in 44243 playouts)
Becubio [4k\]: how can a 1p can be strongest as a 9p!
Hanekiri [19k?\]: easy
GoIngo [?\]: against a certain opponent
gosei [2d\]: possible
xyzw [4k\]: pro ranks are not indicators of strength
CHEAPTRILS: b Yuuuuge moyo
agony [5k\]: does Cho have much experience playing against bots?
]
;B[hr]BL[180.733]C[xyzw [4k\]: they are more like carreer status
rsun [5d\]: freshly minted 1p can beat retired 9p
jfhjklkm: what are pro ranks indicators of then
pookpooi [?\]: cho hyeyeon, 3148 elo or 9d in kgs
]
;W[ln]WL[656.418]C[Hanekiri [19k?\]: the 9p rating correlates stronly with long experience in hi level play
Becubio [4k\]: the number in pro ranks indicate years of study or what?
GoIngo [?\]: cs: 68 %
rsbot [-\]: [B62\] Best move: n5
ergodic [3d\]: so elo is best indicator of strength?
Hellhuman [2d?\]: You will not lose your 9p title, even if you retired 5years ago and die not play since then
xyzw [4k\]: when you play professionally a long time, your rank will advance naturally, because it's based on tournament wins
agony [5k\]: it just seems that she was not expecting the bot moyo strategy
]
;B[mo]BL[147.85]C[pookpooi [?\]: elo better than professional ranking
flobby [-\]: newly minted 1ps in china/korea are probably stronger than many active 9ps as well
]
;W[lo]WL[644.205]C[rsun [5d\]: leela approaching zen level lol
Hanekiri [19k?\]: so the 9p rating tes you the player is pretty competent and has been around a long time
GoIngo [?\]: evaluating is easier then playing
juhop [1d\]: I think being a young 9p means you have done really well in tournaments
flobby [-\]: being around for a long time is not a good thing, hanekiri... older players get weaker
agony [5k\]: the 9p telly you that the pro has earned the rank
]
;B[ll]BL[112.486]C[rsbot [-\]: [B64\] Best move: m8 (winrate 67.78% in 42890 playouts); sequence: m8 n7 o8 l7
Hanekiri [19k?\]: flobby is correct
z512: hira 61%
Morricane [1d\]: zen building on that center
]
;W[mm]WL[615.17]C[xyzw [4k\]: center really that big still?
mcpudding [14k\]: Is win rate more accurate further in the game?
Schachus12 [3k\]: agony: actually she was expecting it. She said she got kifus from friends that played zen and that it likes infuence
flobby [-\]: looks pretty big...
Morricane [1d\]: curious how much of this is gonna end up black
supporter [?\]: black collapsing
jfhjklkm: I start to favor w
]
;B[nl]BL[84.13]C[ataraf [5k\]: o8?
agony [5k\]: thanks schachus
pookpooi [?\]: I believe in younger players are stronger than older players get weaker
rsun [5d\]: leela got these moves right
Francisco [4d\]: All money on B.
rsbot [-\]: [W67\] Best move: l7 (winrate 32.51% in 42682 playouts)
GoIngo [?\]: 2 Euro on Black
]
;W[fl]WL[586.518]C[IAmini [7d\]: all money on w
gosei [2d\]: :)
flobby [-\]: nice bot rsun
xyzw [4k\]: w will win
redreoicy [4d\]: 3 cookies on black
]
;B[fk]BL[69.599]C[Morricane [1d\]: I am broke until payday so all my money on w too hoho
rsun [5d\]: thx to leela's author
Hellhuman [2d?\]: Is this part oft the egc?
]
;W[ir]WL[569.215]C[sysreq [1k\]: when she says weak point does she mean weaknesses in shape or just what the bot is bad at?
Bombil [2d?\]: Grey will win
GoIngo [?\]: cs climbing to 70 %
guapo [1k?\]: for whom
pookpooi [?\]: she look very serious right now
vellavu [7k\]: zen has no time
ComePandas [-\]: g4 
GoIngo [?\]: for black
rsbot [-\]: [B70\] Best move: h3 (winrate 67.43% in 29712 playouts); sequence: h3 j3 g6 g7
]
;B[hq]BL[35.202]C[vellavu [7k\]: byo yomi for zen
agony [5k\]: she means weakness in shape to get momentum for invading stones
]
;W[iq]WL[561.669]C[flobby [-\]: I guess climbing % doesn't necessarily mean black gained, it simply means that as the game gets further in, and there is less space, the certainty becomes higher, right?
Francisco [4d\]: I'll take IAmini.
IAmini [7d\]: zen won't lose on time :D
supporter [?\]: w can connect any time
]
;B[gn]BL[20.708]
;W[gm]WL[557.601]C[Manslay [4k?\]: weak point means something she can exploit
rsun [5d\]: leela has amazing accuracy in this game, I am surprised
]
;B[gl]BL[60]OB[3]C[Hellhuman [2d?\]: Invade top left next?
]
;W[hn]WL[552.279]C[pookpooi [?\]: hyeyeon will appreciate the time she save for the end game for sure, she's gonna need a lot of that
rsbot [-\]: [W75\] Best move: h6 (winrate 32.62% in 36523 playouts); sequence: h6 g5 f7 h8
supporter [?\]: the shapes are very basic maybe thats why its easier for \\leela
redreoicy [4d\]: yes climbing % from simplification is likely
supporter [?\]: and the shapes are basic because this game is very easy for the Heyeon
jlm [2d\]: The bot is struggling here
]
;B[go]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[fm]WL[548.52]C[HKGOGO [7k\]: how stong is leela?
]
;B[hl]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[hm]WL[543.763]C[GoIngo [?\]: 4-dan kgs
pookpooi [?\]: 3d on rsun pc?
]
;B[jm]BL[60]OB[3]C[rsun [5d\]: never tested
rsbot [-\]: [B80\] Best move: k7 (winrate 69.01% in 32533 playouts); sequence: k7 j8 j9 e9
flobby [-\]: except leela dies horribly to 10ks if you just play a ladder in the opening
]
;W[jn]WL[529.852]C[Hellhuman [2d?\]: Who developed leela?
]
;B[in]BL[60]OB[3]C[GoIngo [?\]: Pascutto from Belgium
]
;W[im]WL[525.412]C[pookpooi [?\]: I'm gonna say picaso lol
GoIngo [?\]: it started in 2008
supporter [?\]: wr
flobby [-\]: prociutto
pookpooi [?\]: 252 observers!
]
;B[kn]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[il]WL[520.952]C[rsbot [-\]: [B86\] Best move: n3 (winrate 69.07% in 42506 playouts); sequence: n3 n4 m3 o3
ergodic [3d\]: but w not alive
Becubio [4k\]: nice way to get in moyo
Proucht [2d\]: w dead you mean
IAmini [7d\]: when is the last open 9p game in kgs
]
;B[pp]BL[60]OB[3]C[jlm [2d\]: Amateur would never leave l3 unattended for so long
xyzw [4k\]: n wants to kill
]
;W[qp]WL[511.811]C[xyzw [4k\]: b*
rsun [5d\]: zen really preparing to kill!
Uberdude [3d\]: bad feeling for w lower group here
CptDoge [2d\]: yep
viajero [2d?\]: is white gonna die?...
ergodic [3d\]: w said she would resign if killed here
rsbot [-\]: [B88\] Best move: n3 (winrate 68.86% in 46667 playouts); sequence: n3 m2 n2 o6
probetter: 60s X 3
Hellhuman [2d?\]: Bot will not kill
Growl3r [5k\]: W seems to be playing a bit hastily
Denmla [3k\]: M4 is quite a dragon to kill... my money is on W creating smth there
Proucht [2d\]: let's bet
]
;B[jl]BL[60]OB[3]C[viajero [2d?\]: Zen's killing power is really strong and terrible
mcpudding [14k\]: If Zen wants to kill. Does it feel threatened? 
koretto [2k\]: b toying here
z512: hira 69%
koretto [2k\]: domination
CHEAPTRILS: bot will no kill.... BOT WILL SLAUGHTER
Proucht [2d\]: i bet 100 of my kgs magic cards that b will kill
redreoicy [4d\]: bot will kill unless white gives a chance to take another big move 
CptDoge [2d\]: terminator on a different level
GoIngo [?\]: slaughterhouse go
redreoicy [4d\]: k8 bot still wants to compromise
rsun [5d\]: k8 last prep before kill
rsbot [-\]: [W89\] Best move: g9 (winrate 32.34% in 38563 playouts); sequence: g9 n3 n4 o6
koretto [2k\]: goddo hando b
jlm [2d\]: N3 forced
rsun [5d\]: ultimatum
]
;W[jk]WL[427.561]C[jlm [2d\]: K9...ahh!
redreoicy [4d\]: j9 or n3
supporter [?\]: if b kills white will get  a lot of forcing moves around and destroy a center in sente and play c17...
redreoicy [4d\]: both possible
rsbot [-\]: [B90\] Best move: l9 (winrate 69.82% in 39360 playouts); sequence: l9 o2 p2 p1
HKGOGO [7k\]: is w losing?...
]
;B[mq]BL[60]OB[3]C[koretto [2k\]: dead
CptDoge [2d\]: and dead
Cybercage [5k\]: ouchg
Hellhuman [2d?\]: Will live
Growl3r [5k\]: How can w ignore that group!?
GoIngo [?\]: some pokestop aroiund ?
]
;W[mp]WL[391.423]C[koretto [2k\]: pokemon nerd please go
GoIngo [?\]: ok
GoIngo [?\]: bye
IAmini [7d\]: q6?
Kotonoha [2d\]: who is this beautiful female pro?
Hellhuman [2d?\]: Lol Ingo
redreoicy [4d\]: w ignores because easier to live with m4 than to give up outside and win the game
GoIngo [?\]: ;-)
rsbot [-\]: [B92\] Best move: q6 (winrate 69.32% in 40719 playouts); sequence: q6 o6 p6 o2
]
;B[on]BL[60]OB[3]C[GoIngo [?\]: I am back
Becubio [4k\]: time to belive in the 9p
trohde [?\]: Cho Hye-yeon 9p
Proucht [2d\]: Growler: choosing between dying right now or losing coz of g12 big territory ... 
pookpooi [?\]: one of the problem of bot is that when it lose, it will look very horrible to human's eyes
Kotonoha [2d\]: who is this beautiful female pro? rsbot 
supporter [?\]: Leela
flobby [-\]: koto!
rsbot [-\]: read her info
GoIngo [?\]: hyeyeon from Korea
koretto [2k\]: that female pic looks sweaty
probetter: not beautiful
]
;W[mr]WL[356.61]C[koretto [2k\]: and greasy
IAmini [7d\]: oh no the great koto is here
Kotonoha [2d\]: quite beauty 
gosei [2d\]: looks alive
Kotonoha [2d\]: girls wear glass looks intelligent 
Proucht [2d\]: looks ko
vellavu [7k\]: wow
rsbot [-\]: [B94\] Best move: o2
IAmini [7d\]: o2
]
;B[nr]BL[60]OB[3]C[guapo [1k?\]: what's the winrate now?
]
;W[lr]WL[346.735]C[koretto [2k\]: 20%
CHEAPTRILS: focus on the game :)))))))))))))))
GoIngo [?\]: I stopped CrazyStone
GoIngo [?\]: like to watch instead
supporter [?\]: W alive :D
gosei [2d\]: white is alive
Becubio [4k\]: L1
Proucht [2d\]: yeah alive
IAmini [7d\]: h10
supporter [?\]: so pro
PLEX [1k\]: n1 
Proucht [2d\]: l1 k1 
Hellhuman [2d?\]: And play Pokémon Ingo
Proucht [2d\]: n1 o4 
GoIngo [?\]: ;-)
gosei [2d\]: uncondetional alive
happou [4k\]: w live?
rats [2d?\]: seems alive
gosei [2d\]: yes
]
;B[hj]BL[60]OB[3]C[koretto [2k\]: b weak that should have been killed
ataraf [5k\]: l1 look nice
supporter [?\]: stupid bot doesnt even know it should resign now :D
rsbot [-\]: [B96\] Best move: l9 (winrate 70.61% in 42678 playouts); sequence: l9 f17 f16 e17
PLEX [1k\]: life
Cybercage [5k\]: aww... no blood for bloodgod? :( *feels sad*
Proucht [2d\]: l1 k1 l2 o4 o3 o5 
]
;W[ij]WL[332.314]C[Kotonoha [2d\]: but who is losing?
xyzw [4k\]: kibitz need to have more faith in "female lee chang-ho"
IAmini [7d\]: w
CptDoge [2d\]: i am dissappointed
rsun [5d\]: 71% for b now
vellavu [7k\]: who is kibitz
supporter [?\]: Leela doesnt know white alive
Proucht [2d\]: wait, my seq not good
supporter [?\]: bots stupid
IAmini [7d\]: h9...
koretto [2k\]: bot is having a meltdown
koretto [2k\]: they always do this
]
;B[hk]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[ik]WL[323.583]C[Hanekiri [19k?\]: does the bot think it has killed?
GoIngo [?\]: cs at 73 %, and histogram fine
rsbot [-\]: [B100\] Best move: j11 (winrate 68.82% in 40898 playouts); sequence: j11 k11 j12 f17
redreoicy [4d\]: black won't have a meltdown while it thinks it is winning
IAmini [7d\]: j11
]
;B[ii]BL[60]OB[3]C[xyzw [4k\]: cut
koretto [2k\]: this bot is around 2d
jlm [2d\]: The m2 life is so impressive to me. That bot would kill me 100% of the time in that situation...and why made it look so easy
]
;W[ji]WL[307.987]
;B[ih]BL[60]OB[3]C[guapo [1k?\]: w should get c17
gosei [2d\]: compromise
IAmini [7d\]: oh j12 so fast
jlm [2d\]: White*
Becubio [4k\]: c17 now?
]
;W[cc]WL[280.693]C[Cybercage [5k\]: ehm.. when w 3-3
Hellhuman [2d?\]: Invade top left!
guapo [1k?\]: yay
Becubio [4k\]: yeap!
rsbot [-\]: [W103\] Best move: f17 (winrate 31.87% in 38441 playouts); sequence: f17 f16 e17 d17
Cybercage [5k\]: gg.. so freaking called it
Demon [2d\]: this bot is not 2d  lol
kakugen [9k\]: yeah !!
koretto [2k\]: c16 would have been better
]
;B[cd]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[dc]WL[276.723]C[flobby [-\]: koretto is actually ke jie sandbagging
gosei [2d\]: sure:)
CptDoge [2d\]: lol
Hellhuman [2d?\]: 2k knows better than 9p
]
;B[fc]BL[60]OB[3]C[xyzw [4k\]: f17
IAmini [7d\]: flobby is alphago
]
;W[bd]WL[267.018]C[rsbot [-\]: [B108\] Best move: b15
HKGOGO [7k\]: w looking good~
]
;B[be]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[bc]WL[258.092]C[sysreq [1k\]: please focus on the game
IAmini [7d\]: w slowly makes the game closer
kpax: yes, no picture of zen
Hellhuman [2d?\]: E18 gogo bot
]
;B[ec]BL[60]OB[3]C[CHEAPTRILS: b picture is hot
IAmini [7d\]: b14?
]
;W[db]WL[239.695]C[kpax: so hot it is burned
CptDoge [2d\]: this "x" is very sexy
rsbot [-\]: [W111\] Best move: c15 (winrate 29.45% in 41590 playouts); sequence: c15 d15 c14 b14
vellavu [7k\]: yeah, a lot of fans
vellavu [7k\]: surely that server is hot
Grominet [-\]: why not e18 ?
Proucht [2d\]: f13 area + left side is 50+ points for b
CHEAPTRILS: conformism
xyzw [4k\]: needy teenagers truly reach every corner of the internet
Cybercage [5k\]: ._.' ehm.. guys.. are we here for watching go or look for 'hot' pictures?
]
;B[qk]BL[60]OB[3]C[CHEAPTRILS: both
Herod [-\]: Ahem
koretto [2k\]: w needs r17
GoIngo [?\]: watching hot go
Hellhuman [2d?\]: Hot pics!
]
;W[qm]WL[218.251]C[CHEAPTRILS: these stones are burning with aji
DimaKats [1k\]: hyeyeon is really 9p/
Proucht [2d\]: there are hot shapes in this game too
Herod [-\]: Be respectful if you wish to continue watching
rsbot [-\]: [B114\] Best move: q10 (winrate 72.92% in 44042 playouts); sequence: q10 p11 o11 r16
x0000 [-\]: cs 73.3%
Cybercage [5k\]: q9 for w is a thing?
IAmini [7d\]: n8 or q9
CHEAPTRILS: rsbot doesnt give w a chance
]
;B[pl]BL[60]OB[3]C[guapo [1k?\]: good, zen using his time
CHEAPTRILS: does the 73% mean w doesnt stand theoretical chance?
Becubio [4k\]: c15
]
;W[rd]WL[199.095]C[GoIngo [?\]: 73 % can also come from misevaluation
rsun [5d\]: not really, alpha go lost game 4
IAmini [7d\]: r17
rsbot [-\]: [B116\] Best move: r17 (winrate 72.44% in 40788 playouts); sequence: r17 s17 s11 r18
supporter [?\]: 73% means nothing that bots doesnt sse w alive on bottom
guapo [1k?\]: nah
flobby [-\]: but b is ahead, hyeyeon admitted so
]
;B[qc]BL[60]OB[3]C[jlm [2d\]: B seems to have this one won
GoIngo [?\]: but cs sees white alive on bottom
]
;W[rc]WL[190.242]C[jlm [2d\]: +5
inquisitor [3k\]: l3 is dead?
Cybercage [5k\]: how many games will they play?
GoIngo [?\]: this is second
CHEAPTRILS: how behind is w
GoIngo [?\]: zen won first one
rsun [5d\]: if l3 dead, wr would be 90%
IAmini [7d\]: L3 is alive
CHEAPTRILS: 20pts 15pts?
inquisitor [3k\]: ok
jlm [2d\]: No 5ish
IAmini [7d\]: s18
guapo [1k?\]: is it seki or what
Babibo [3d?\]: l3 is alive because white has N1 sente
York [5d\]: this 7x% stuff is the proportion of winning games in "random" plays that Zen plays itself as both black and white until couning
rsbot [-\]: [B118\] Best move: q18 (winrate 73.16% in 43851 playouts); sequence: q18 o17 s18 s10
Babibo [3d?\]: or O4 sente for an eye at N5
]
;B[bl]BL[60]OB[3]C[gosei [2d\]: ???
sysreq [1k\]: w can also live with o4
koretto [2k\]: q17
gosei [2d\]: sente?
IAmini [7d\]: b8 is a troll move :D
x0000 [-\]: rsun, but maybe it is "not clearly alive" and noise make it 73
York [5d\]: like, 73.16% in 43851 playouts, Zen played 43851 games with itself to endgame and 73.81% of those black wins
rsun [5d\]: zen starts to pass
]
;W[bf]WL[168.244]C[CHEAPTRILS: how come rsbot has data like that, is rsbot affiliated to zen19x?
xyzw [4k\]: no
gosei [2d\]: wow
Cybercage [5k\]: and.. punishing moves
sysreq [1k\]: b8 is much larger than it looks
xyzw [4k\]: rsbot uses leela to analyze the game
koretto [2k\]: desperation?
GoIngo [?\]: it is easier to evaluate than to play
jlm [2d\]: B just lost
]
;B[ce]BL[60]OB[3]C[rsbot [-\]: [B120\] Best move: c15 (winrate 72.49% in 36442 playouts); sequence: c15 a15 c14 b13
]
;W[ae]WL[156.207]C[rsun [5d\]: x0000, true, but CS also 73%
IAmini [7d\]: b still leading
]
;B[cf]BL[60]OB[3]C[flobby [-\]: it's affliated with rsun that's why its the rsunbot
x0000 [-\]: everywhere 73
iOnlyNi [3d?\]: r18
IAmini [7d\]: unless the right dragon suddenly be killed
rsun [5d\]: I doubt CS would misread
DimaKats [1k\]: 9p is really 9p/
]
;W[qb]WL[138.904]C[York [5d\]: usually at a winrate of ~70% among those random playouts almost guarantee a win
supporter [?\]: Hyeyeon endgame must be perfect and it will!
xyzw [4k\]: rsbot = rsun playing 1000s of games against himself every move
jungsang: yes 
GoIngo [?\]: cs sees zen in problem
rsun [5d\]: oh
GoIngo [?\]: semeai somewhere
rsun [5d\]: wr dropped?
rsbot [-\]: [B124\] Best move: l9 (winrate 74.04% in 42160 playouts); sequence: l9 l10 m10 m11
x0000 [-\]: cs 74,7
GoIngo [?\]: still at 69 %, but no longer smooth histogram
]
;B[bp]BL[60]OB[3]C[supporter [?\]: bots realized w alive now beause they calculated yose and the fact m7 is sente
]
;W[cp]WL[132.33]C[koretto [2k\]: boom!
Huckies [4k\]: score estimate says that black is winning, so I think it's pretty clear cut
CHEAPTRILS: b4.... big!!
rsun [5d\]: too bad no histogram from leela
GoIngo [?\]: indeed
koretto [2k\]: b just won this game with that move
koretto [2k\]: devastating
GoIngo [?\]: who is tis koretto?
WillKablam [2k\]: does o5 do anything
jlm [2d\]: Pro end game vs robot end game. 
guapo [1k?\]: i'd like to see alphago histogram
]
;B[kk]BL[60]OB[3]C[sysreq [1k\]: am i the only one getting stream lag?
rsbot [-\]: [B126\] Best move: l9 (winrate 73.08% in 34995 playouts); sequence: l9 b5 a5 b3
xyzw [4k\]: yes, o5 makes 4 points in gote
York [5d\]: it was discloused
Cybercage [5k\]: @sysreq no
supporter [?\]: l9 is sente to kill w?
GoIngo [?\]: me also lag
guapo [1k?\]: where can i find it?
]
;W[kj]WL[103.034]C[Lyoug [4k\]: stream just got interrupted here
Cybercage [5k\]: thats also big *l9*
Becubio [4k\]: m2 only dies in a ko situation right?
trohde [?\]: For anybodythose who asked about Cho Hyeyeon: http://senseis.xmp.net/?ChoHyeYeon
jlm [2d\]: M2 alive, yes
]
;B[lj]BL[60]OB[3]C[rsbot [-\]: [B128\] Best move: m10
]
;W[li]WL[96.018]C[trohde [?\]: and http://www.gogameworld.com/players/cho-hyeyeon/
rsun [5d\]: hi yamashita, do you have english version of your textbook
ComePandas [-\]: n10 
GoIngo [?\]: yamashita, do you have %?
]
;B[mi]BL[60]OB[3]C[DimaKats [1k\]: b2 could start a ko/
GoIngo [?\]: of position, I mean
CHEAPTRILS: who is yamashita?
guapo [1k?\]: hideki's got %
flobby [-\]: textbook?
]
;W[no]WL[85.741]C[koretto [2k\]: too early?
rsbot [-\]: [W131\] Best move: b5 (winrate 27.17% in 42068 playouts); sequence: b5 a5 b3 e18
flobby [-\]: isn't yamashita the guy who created ayabot
koretto [2k\]: w blinked?
rsun [5d\]: yes
GoIngo [?\]: yes
rsun [5d\]: he also wrote a textbook
flobby [-\]: on what
rsun [5d\]: computer go
jlm [2d\]: O5 sente
CHEAPTRILS: is that yamashita fellow here watching?
rsun [5d\]: yes
CHEAPTRILS: :o who?
gosei [2d\]: o5 double sente
]
;B[np]BL[60]OB[3]C[koretto [2k\]: q6 also sente
CHEAPTRILS: if i may ask
rsun [5d\]: yamashita
torus555: stream died.
gosei [2d\]: ahhh
GoIngo [?\]: stream back
]
;W[mk]WL[67.353]
;B[ml]BL[60]OB[3]C[gghideki [?\]: streaming rsumed
rsbot [-\]: [W135\] Best move: m9
]
;W[lk]WL[59.193]C[gghideki [?\]: *resume
rsun [5d\]: hideki how's % now
ComePandas [-\]: n9 !
supporter [?\]: rsuned
]
;B[kl]BL[60]OB[3]C[GoIngo [?\]: rsuned  ;-)
rsun [5d\]: lol
]
;W[bg]WL[46.509]C[York [5d\]: oh? white has already rsuned?
x0000 [-\]: wr is jumping crazy
York [5d\]: it is delayed on kgs?
koretto [2k\]: b ignore
guapo [1k?\]: looks close
HYamashita [2k?\]: Aya thins 71% for b, but Aya thinks bottom w are 80% and 85% alive.
]
;B[bh]BL[60]OB[3]C[flobby [-\]: how can it be delayed on kgs when it's played on kgs
rsbot [-\]: [B138\] Best move: b12 (winrate 72.19% in 37596 playouts); sequence: b12 b5 a5 b3
]
;W[mj]WL[37.214]C[GoIngo [?\]: kgb ?
jlm [2d\]: Can't ignore made h16 dangerous
York [5d\]: i don't get it.......what does it mean by "80% and 85% alive?"
IAmini [7d\]: w seems controling the game
vellavu [7k\]: kgb vs cia
]
;B[nk]BL[60]OB[3]C[rsun [5d\]: means it may die in some playouts, I guess
GoIngo [?\]: monte carlo winning percents
York [5d\]: somehow it dies in 15%-20% random playouts?
IAmini [7d\]: luckily i bet my money on w
]
;W[lj]WL[24.689]C[GoIngo [?\]: right
flobby [-\]: 6 pts gote cant be the biggest move left can it?
rsun [5d\]: so wr may be lower
CHEAPTRILS: right side is too open
BOWER: in that case we need value network :)
Fahrenheit [1d\]: q1
Cybercage [5k\]: you bet your mony on this game?! woah o.o
rsbot [-\]: [B142\] Best move: o6 (winrate 77.17% in 22645 playouts); sequence: o6 n6 n1 m1
CHEAPTRILS: w has not that many pts on right side
supporter [?\]: its not 6 points gote
GoIngo [?\]: WE are the value network ;-)
]
;B[nn]BL[60]OB[3]C[BOWER: exactly :)
]
;W[ms]WL[17.245]
;B[or]BL[60]OB[3]C[Higanbana [?\]: What stream where?
drgrk [6k\]: kk
]
;W[ks]WL[11.762]C[rsun [5d\]: btw 50% alive is possible via schrodinger's cat experiment
drgrk [6k\]: mt
BOWER: value network would get the bottom 100% correct :)
GoIngo [?\]: zen is schrodinger's cat
IAmini [7d\]: b still leading around 8 points
trohde [?\]: https://youtu.be/0zjRBVVRdDM
Cybercage [5k\]: the box has been opened
CHEAPTRILS: schrodinger's cat?
]
;B[rl]BL[60]OB[3]C[rsun [5d\]: how's % now, yamashita san
koretto [2k\]: b has always been leading
York [5d\]: physicist didn't say go is quantized
ergodic [3d\]: wave function collapsed
rsbot [-\]: [W147\] Best move: s7
Higanbana [?\]: thanks trohde
supporter [?\]: r2
]
;W[rm]WL[60]OW[3]C[supporter [?\]: s2 i men
guapo [1k?\]: r2 looks big
Hanekiri [19k?\]: schrodinger jst looked in the box and found a cow
IAmini [7d\]: s11 or q1
CHEAPTRILS: quantum physics is not even proven science, they dont even know if string theory is real
Cybercage [5k\]: gg SE gone crazy again
ergodic [3d\]: q1 better than r2 right
Grey28 [6d\]: q1 first
]
;B[ps]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[qr]WL[60]OW[3]C[rsun [5d\]: string theory has nth to do with QM
gosei [2d\]: black will win,but i really hope white can do it
rsbot [-\]: [B150\] Best move: r1
GoIngo [?\]: group theory
okiol [1k\]: ugh
HYamashita [2k?\]: Aya thinks 69% for b.
CHEAPTRILS: well as long as michio kaku is the one speaking :p
GoIngo [?\]: thx Hiroshi
rsun [5d\]: thx
Becubio [4k\]: b+10, w needs a very good yose
okiol [1k\]: nothing, really? :D
vellavu [7k\]: quantum electrodynamics is the most proven and accurate theory in this world
rsun [5d\]: hiroshi san, do you have english version of your textbook
]
;B[qs]BL[60]OB[3]C[dingo2 [-\]: Quantum physic works at 100% winrate
Higanbana [?\]: Is there any good move around j15?
]
;W[rs]WL[60]OW[3]C[vellavu [7k\]: It's much more accurate than anything else
vellavu [7k\]: how can it not be proven science?
]
;B[os]BL[60]OB[3]C[readytogo [4k\]: 9 p? is that real?
CHEAPTRILS: how come google can't create a functional quantum computer?
xyzw [4k\]: gravity is actually less understood than QM
]
;W[rq]WL[60]OW[3]C[Herod [-\]: Kindly chat about physics somewhere else please
HYamashita [2k?\]: rsun-san, I'm afraid there is no english text.
IAmini [7d\]: she looks real
rsbot [-\]: [B154\] Best move: e18 (winrate 75.04% in 43848 playouts); sequence: e18 b19 k16 h17
mafutrct [-\]: Hey guys, just letting you know that your comments are visible on youtube for the world to see. Be considerate.
probetter: she is Korean Professional go player 9P
Cybercage [5k\]: +1 @Herod
GoIngo [?\]: e18 would be endgame
Fuseques [?\]: is a16 not a problem?
vellavu [7k\]: Because QM doesn't promise snake oil...
Becubio [4k\]: b3
supporter [?\]: 355 observers what a pity its not just (p vs lets say Cornel :)
taqpol [?\]: Hi darkronin
]
;B[ri]BL[60]OB[3]C[darkronin [2k?\]: hi
Fuseques [?\]: ah w can connect from below with d19?
MariaAki: 화이팅!!
rsun [5d\]: mafutrct you should've warned us earlier
IAmini [7d\]: o17 b5 also nice for b
redreoicy [4d\]: all this pain for the corner is why b didn't mind white living
koretto [2k\]: b is just feasting away w
vellavu [7k\]: Is b's endgame good?
]
;W[bo]WL[60]OW[3]C[rsbot [-\]: [W155\] Best move: b5 (winrate 27.59% in 40157 playouts); sequence: b5 a5 b3 s13
gosei [2d\]: bs endgame is pretty ok
koretto [2k\]: s13
CHEAPTRILS: w chances are dimming
mafutrct [-\]: I just joined, sorry ;(
IAmini [7d\]: b endgame around 7d kgs :-)
]
;B[rg]BL[60]OB[3]C[GoIngo [?\]: CS is happy again for Black with 74 %
York [5d\]: quite, comparing with alphago's winning mode
Kotonoha [2d\]: who is Zen?
supporter [?\]: go Hyeyeon go!!!!!
GoIngo [?\]: zen is commercial go bot
rsun [5d\]: leela 72%
CHEAPTRILS: so supportesque :D
Kotonoha [2d\]: Go Pokemon Go !!!!
]
;W[rf]WL[60]OW[3]C[sykta [3k\]: is there a commentary ?
York [5d\]: i caught a dragonair today
rsbot [-\]: [B158\] Best move: a5 (winrate 74.24% in 39901 playouts); sequence: a5 b3 e18 d19
]
;B[ao]BL[60]OB[3]C[readytogo [4k\]: this will be a game for considerable study !
readytogo [4k\]: k
koretto [2k\]: w should resign. B leads with +10 points
GoIngo [?\]: amen
CHEAPTRILS: b leads by like 13-14pts
GoIngo [?\]: I mean the readytogo comment
rsun [5d\]: at this point, human may still win if there is a yose myoshu that the bot doesn't see
sykta [3k\]: im sure w has a plan
taqpol [?\]: Yes go
vellavu [7k\]: 1000 cho chikun can't live in the middle
supporter [?\]: 2k kgs saying when the 9p should resgn... priceless :)
]
;W[je]WL[60]OW[3]C[Higanbana [?\]: @sykta you can hear her mumbling at https://youtu.be/0zjRBVVRdDM
go95211 [6k\]: ha ha
GoIngo [?\]: karotto is our masquot
taqpol [?\]: That's a bit exaggeration even Lee sedol can't take
flobby [-\]: he's actually ke jie sandbagging on kgs, supporter.
readytogo [4k\]: lol
sykta [3k\]: lol
go95211 [6k\]: nice advice
sykta [3k\]: thx
gosei [2d\]: its sand bagger leesedol:)
IAmini [7d\]: it will be nice to see the remaining yose moves
sysreq [1k\]: god forbid you actually have an opinion not based on appeal to authority
Hanekiri [19k?\]: 9ps do amazing things sometimes
xyzw [4k\]: the more you mumble, the better you get at making life
]
;B[jd]BL[60]OB[3]C[redreoicy [4d\]: will there be a second game?
readytogo [4k\]: yes like becoming a 9p
York [5d\]: i vote w for hotness
]
;W[jf]WL[60]OW[3]C[HYamashita [2k?\]: Aya thinks 73% for b.
GoIngo [?\]: may next week Wednesday
rsbot [-\]: The following analysis is brought to you by Leela 0.62. Enjoy!
rsbot [-\]: [B162\] Best move: j14 (winrate 72.63% in 20289 playouts); sequence: j14 l13 l14 l12
IAmini [7d\]: L15
rsun [5d\]: leela also 73%
]
;B[if]BL[60]OB[3]C[Kotonoha [2d\]: is rsbot rsun?
rsun [5d\]: no
rsun [5d\]: it's automated
flobby [-\]: its rsunbot
]
;W[lf]WL[60]OW[3]C[supporter [?\]: is Leela free bot?
readytogo [4k\]: is rsun rsbot?
pookpooi [?\]: yes
koretto [2k\]: is bot playing it safe? Can bot even play it "safe"?
DaoLin [?\]:  h
pookpooi [?\]: everyone can download leela for free
sysreq [1k\]: i liked l12 better than m14
supporter [?\]: where can i download Leela
GoIngo [?\]: sjeng.org for download
York [5d\]: rsbot: rsun plays himself thousands playouts
supporter [?\]: ty
Lyoug [4k\]: W has been saying for a while that b is less than 5 points ahead
darkronin [2k?\]: some bot options support maximizing score instead of maximizing winrate
]
;B[eb]BL[60]OB[3]C[trohde [?\]: Leela: https://www.sjeng.org/leela.html
viajero [2d?\]: Can I download leela from internet?
]
;W[ba]WL[60]OW[3]C[Higanbana [?\]: Theoretically yose is the 1 thing a bot should never make a mistake in
supporter [?\]: big thanks
rsbot [-\]: [W165\] Best move: j15 (winrate 27.92% in 38643 playouts); sequence: j15 h15 h17 h16
fluislost [?\]: leela is free
readytogo [4k\]: its a horse race ladies and germs  its a horse race
readytogo [4k\]: l
fluislost [?\]: u can download it
IAmini [7d\]: what if the yose including ko fights?
Kotonoha [2d\]: B+116.5?
taqpol [?\]: Wonder w against breakfast
juhop [1d\]: yose also includes semeais and l&d
]
;B[mg]BL[60]OB[3]C[xyzw [4k\]: don't trust SE
juhop [1d\]: or involves
]
;W[gb]WL[60]OW[3]C[fluislost [?\]: don't use SE, use leela
martin97 [-\]: she tries anything ^^
rsbot [-\]: [B168\] Best move: h17
koretto [2k\]: layla? clapton?
wiber [5k\]: what is g18 for?
York [5d\]: believe your intuition
IAmini [7d\]: b leading around 8 still
readytogo [4k\]: dont use SE use brain 
martin97 [-\]: if b tenuki h15
]
;B[hc]BL[60]OB[3]C[York [5d\]: this is player spirit
]
;W[hb]WL[60]OW[3]C[fluislost [?\]: zen agreed with leela
Kotonoha [2d\]: Most moves of this girl are played on 2-3 line......
HYamashita [2k?\]: Aya thinks 78% for b.
readytogo [4k\]: brain good SE bad !
zxcvbnm [1k\]: "this girl" lol
Kotonoha [2d\]: Zen scary her a lot
fluislost [?\]: thanks Yamashita
]
;B[nc]BL[60]OB[3]C[fluislost [?\]: can't wait to see aya 7d
mafutrct [-\]: Remember that your comments are visible on youtube, thanks.
fluislost [?\]: i saw in cgos ranking list, aya is likely 7d kgs
]
;W[ob]WL[60]OW[3]C[vellavu [7k\]: aya is 7d now?
Poffli [12k\]: @koretto: i usually play leela and it got me on my knees :D
Kotonoha [2d\]: lol 
rsbot [-\]: [W171\] Best move: n18 (winrate 21.74% in 37266 playouts); sequence: n18 j15 g17 h16
Poffli [12k\]: ... usually
koretto [2k\]: in 3 years aya is the strongest player in KGS
fluislost [?\]: I guess aya is 7d kgs now, yes
IAmini [7d\]: really? youtube isn't on the player's computer sight?
readytogo [4k\]: i love it that the world see my comments
gosei [2d\]: p17 was bad..
pookpooi [?\]: aya's rival is hirabot
readytogo [4k\]: it emboldens me
pookpooi [?\]: zen's crazystone
]
;B[pc]BL[60]OB[3]C[pookpooi [?\]: it's destined
readytogo [4k\]: hello world !
]
;W[pb]WL[60]OW[3]C[Kotonoha [2d\]: where is the broadcast now?
IAmini [7d\]: q14
GoIngo [?\]: zen - abakus - crazystone - aya - hirabot
York [5d\]: i thought aya was the most popular bot when there are 10 of them playing at 1kyu
rsun [5d\]: leela 78% for b too
supporter [?\]: how strong would be zen if i buy it and run on my laptop at home?
sysreq [1k\]: just connected at p18
trohde [?\]: https://youtu.be/0zjRBVVRdDM
vellavu [7k\]: yea
rsbot [-\]: [B174\] Best move: j15 (winrate 79.70% in 40554 playouts); sequence: j15 g17 h16 l17
vellavu [7k\]: aya and hira are very generous
Cybercage [5k\]: why not q17 instead of p18 btw
KurataSan [2d\]: is this one stronger than kgs zen?
vellavu [7k\]: free bots for us to play against
rsun [5d\]: depends on what laptop you have
supporter [?\]: very normal
GoIngo [?\]: ... - aya - hirabotr - leela
]
;B[cg]BL[60]OB[3]C[sysreq [1k\]: q17 n18
York [5d\]: I played Ayabot 1-10 and found these ladies, like twins, are mostly the same but have minor differences. how cute
Cybercage [5k\]: oh right ^^thanx
supporter [?\]: my laptop costs 300 puonds ::P
]
;W[ql]WL[60]OW[3]C[rsun [5d\]: expect 1-2 stones weaker than zen on kgs
supporter [?\]: i see ty
IAmini [7d\]: you can tell their differences?
rsbot [-\]: [B176\] Best move: s9
Higanbana [?\]: It's weird to hear her say "he knows it" when talking about software
KurataSan [2d\]: rsun
KurataSan [2d\]: is this zen
KurataSan [2d\]: stronger than kgs zen?
York [5d\]: Ayabot01 was an agressive and ambitious girl.
]
;B[rk]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[qj]WL[60]OW[3]C[York [5d\]: 02 was a bit more considerate
rsun [5d\]: zen19a is 8d
CHEAPTRILS: is zen databased with huge disk space usage? or like just leaning each game creating its own database?
rsun [5d\]: 19x, not equilibrated
GoIngo [?\]: Hyeyeon is so emotional
]
;B[pj]BL[60]OB[3]C[KurataSan [2d\]: can lee sedol give this one 2 stones?
KurataSan [2d\]: :p
]
;W[oj]WL[60]OW[3]C[trohde [?\]: How is this Zen19X different from the Zenith 6 that can be purchased?
rsbot [-\]: [B180\] Best move: q9
taqpol [?\]: Yes
rats [2d?\]: w got so little territory..
taqpol [?\]: Lee can
sysreq [1k\]: that's called anthropomorphization bruv, get used to it and welcome to humanity
supporter [?\]: She played wonderful game, 1h she would like always win 
rsun [5d\]: zen 6 is version 11.4
GoIngo [?\]: slightly stronger hardware
koretto [2k\]: le sedol was emotionally crushed when he lost 4 times to a bot
rsun [5d\]: they've upgraded to 11.8 now
GoIngo [?\]: except you have a hard machien at home
]
;B[pk]BL[60]OB[3]C[pookpooi [?\]: she love to play fast though
rsun [5d\]: actually 11.9
fluislost [?\]: GoIngo, also software like rsun is saying
gghideki [?\]: trohde: Running on a dual-xeon server
]
;W[qi]WL[60]OW[3]C[KurataSan [2d\]: well
KurataSan [2d\]: AlphaGo is pretty different than this one
GoIngo [?\]: but not much of a difference
trohde [?\]: thx all _/\\_
rsun [5d\]: I heard 100-200 elo points increase
fluislost [?\]: zen 11.4  vs 11.9    like 250 elo diff
sysreq [1k\]: <>.<>
sysreq [1k\]:    ~
]
;B[rj]BL[60]OB[3]C[fluislost [?\]: that's what, 1 stone diff in software
fluislost [?\]: huge
]
;W[oi]WL[60]OW[3]C[rsun [5d\]: hideki should correct me if wrong
HYamashita [2k?\]: Aya thinks 82% for b.
rsbot [-\]: [W183\] Best move: p11 (winrate 19.82% in 33415 playouts); sequence: p11 o11 o14 p14
]
;B[ni]BL[60]OB[3]C[taqpol [?\]: Any even pro game would be amusing
KurataSan [2d\]: a3 
]
;W[bq]WL[60]OW[3]C[IAmini [7d\]: this girl is probably stronger than kingm?
rsun [5d\]: all 3 bots (aya, cs, leela) have very consistent wr
York [5d\]: i always think alphago as a boy who was shy and modest but gets childish and nervous when losing big
x0000 [-\]: I think b won't lose at this point
zxcvbnm [1k\]: she's 9p
gghideki [?\]: Zen thinks 87% for Zen :)
pookpooi [?\]: there is, euro pro play even game with zen and lose
vellavu [7k\]: She won lee sedol twice
vellavu [7k\]: 2:8
GoIngo [?\]: thx hideki
fluislost [?\]: where do you see cs winrate?
pookpooi [?\]: lol we finally have zen winrate
vellavu [7k\]: She said in her commentaries before
rsbot [-\]: [B186\] Best move: j15 (winrate 84.30% in 34474 playouts)
GoIngo [?\]: it is running on my private machine
]
;B[mn]BL[60]OB[3]C[trohde [?\]: could the “boys” pls stop calling this lady a “girl”?
fluislost [?\]: nice GoIngo
rsun [5d\]: I'm running leela, goingo cs, HY aya
GoIngo [?\]: but hard operator work
pookpooi [?\]: look like zen can play b 0.5 komi with no handicap with hyeyeon
guapo [1k?\]: when it's over 85%, it's done
]
;W[rh]WL[60]OW[3]C[supporter [?\]: what will be the next game of Zen19X on KGS?
koretto [2k\]: hyeyeon is young so i think it's fine to call her girl
GoIngo [?\]: and Hideki zen ;-)
]
;B[sh]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[qg]WL[60]OW[3]C[GoIngo [?\]: it is over when the fat lady sings
taqpol [?\]: Xdd
LIORisrael [3d\]: w wants o14
sysreq [1k\]: i never understood
pumroll [2d\]: first ko of the game?
zxcvbnm [1k\]: It's just a matter of respect, koretto
rsbot [-\]: [B190\] Best move: r12
fluislost [?\]: hasn't w started to sing already
sysreq [1k\]: what's so bad about fat ladies singing?
jlm [2d\]: P16
]
;B[nf]BL[60]OB[3]C[GoIngo [?\]: she is not the lady
LIORisrael [3d\]: boom
]
;W[ie]WL[60]OW[3]C[pookpooi [?\]: but zen just lost to Chou, Chun-Hsun in h2 game
GoIngo [?\]: singing like sirenes
Cybercage [5k\]: and back to off topic again..
IAmini [7d\]: oh... suddenly the game looks very close
Hanekiri [19k?\]: have u ever heard kate smith?
Mixerro [3d?\]: koretto, all girl evolution (looks loke pokemon) to woman
LIORisrael [3d\]: a14 soon
Mixerro [3d?\]: like*
RainierBob [?\]: nothing bad -- just a sort of joke about opera singers often being fat
vellavu [7k\]: chou chun hsun was familiar with bots
]
;B[he]BL[60]OB[3]C[LIORisrael [3d\]: but e 2 bigger
]
;W[af]WL[60]OW[3]C[York [5d\]: and they applied different playing strategies
LIORisrael [3d\]: or not
rsbot [-\]: t [W193\]Best move: h14 (winrate 20.51% in 31938 playouts); sequence: h14 j13 t13 a4
Cybercage [5k\]: h14?
rsun [5d\]: chou 9p never beat zen in H4 if I remember correctly
supporter [?\]: e2 is not bigger because no continuations for both
vellavu [7k\]: And he's currently in a very good shape
]
;B[sm]BL[60]OB[3]C[sysreq [1k\]: rainier: is there some rule in opera that the fat lady sings at the end of the play?
]
;W[sn]WL[60]OW[3]C[pokamon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_ain%27t_over_till_the_fat_lady_sings
]
;B[sl]BL[60]OB[3]C[DaoLin [?\]: it's just a saying 
rsbot [-\]: [W197\] Best move: r6
]
;W[po]WL[60]OW[3]C[Hanekiri [19k?\]: there is a grain of truth in it
readytogo [4k\]: which grain?
]
;B[oo]BL[60]OB[3]C[IAmini [7d\]: will zen ignore this?
gosei [2d\]: q5?
]
;W[pm]WL[60]OW[3]C[koretto [2k\]: nice little play by w
koretto [2k\]: i do that often too
Hanekiri [19k?\]: a whiff of kill in the air
Mixerro [3d?\]: Can i catch the pokemon under Hyeyeon?
]
;B[pn]BL[60]OB[3]C[Higanbana [?\]: amazing how she counts so fast
rsbot [-\]: [B200\] Best move: r12
]
;W[qn]WL[60]OW[3]C[koretto [2k\]: must be accountant 
]
;B[sg]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[ap]WL[60]OW[3]C[rsbot [-\]: [B204\] Best move: a6
]
;B[an]BL[60]OB[3]C[IAmini [7d\]: e2
]
;W[sf]WL[60]OW[3]C[sysreq [1k\]: e2 looks bad
xyzw [4k\]: w +.5
Pingo [6k\]: whi not g2?
sysreq [1k\]: how about d2 instead
LIORisrael [3d\]: e2 winning move
Mixerro [3d?\]: Best move an all situations: "Resign"
]
;B[si]BL[60]OB[3]C[IAmini [7d\]: b solid win..
]
;W[al]WL[60]OW[3]C[koretto [2k\]: bu wait 
rsbot [-\]: [W207\] Best move: g17 (winrate 22.29% in 38980 playouts); sequence: g17 h16 l17 d2
readytogo [4k\]: w trick
Cybercage [5k\]: lol
IA [-\]: o.o
koretto [2k\]: w getting tricky
HYamashita [2k?\]: Aya thinks 85% for b..
ergodic [3d\]: lol
supporter [?\]: 9p magic\\
xyzw [4k\]: a9 a10 a7 a12 ?
GodofGo [6d\]: not trick
]
;B[ak]BL[60]OB[3]C[Cybercage [5k\]: wow
GodofGo [6d\]: lol jk trick
readytogo [4k\]: b is confused
]
;W[er]WL[60]OW[3]C[fluislost [?\]: zen is a genius
KBAC [2d\]: Why H2 game? Just to gives respect to pro diploma?
readytogo [4k\]: b says this must be real shes 9 p !
]
;B[fr]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[dr]WL[60]OW[3]C[rsbot [-\]: [W211\] Best move: d2 (winrate 19.92% in 34362 playouts); sequence: d2 r15 s15 n17
sysreq [1k\]: b is capable of reading 1 move ahead, readytogo
Mixerro [3d?\]: КВАС, шалавливое поведение 9p
IA [-\]: zen is testing his own strength, not sure its power yet
York [5d\]: a taiwan 9p won H2 against zen
baygo [2k\]: w is ahead?
fluislost [?\]: ... no
gghideki [?\]: maybe this is the first experiment for her to play bots
readytogo [4k\]: sys u missed the point !
HKGOGO [7k\]: why a8?
]
;B[qe]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[re]WL[60]OW[3]C[supporter [?\]: what will be the next game of Zen19X on KGS? pls answer
zxcvbnm [1k\]: Testing for bugs in the bot I guess
zxcvbnm [1k\]: Or timesuji
GoIngo [?\]: the congress is one more week
fluislost [?\]: a8 was a desperate move
gghideki [?\]: I have no idea now
rsbot [-\]: [B214\] Best move: p9 (winrate 84.38% in 26618 playouts); sequence: p9 g17 h16 l17
GoIngo [?\]: perhaps next wednesday again
inquisitor [3k\]: m7 ?
rsun [5d\]: maybe zen only plays 30 days a year
zxcvbnm [1k\]: p9???
pokamon: zen19x has a lot of games against zensguest, anybody know who this is?
]
;B[mc]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[mb]WL[60]OW[3]C[zxcvbnm [1k\]: Leela telling Zen to pass lol
Lugia [9d\]: b+
Hellbaby [-\]: W + 0.5???
GoIngo [?\]: the petersburg organiers
IA [-\]: L17
GoIngo [?\]: siers
xyzw [4k\]: i called it first
Cybercage [5k\]: what is komi btw
xyzw [4k\]: back in move 205
Adria [27k?\]: what dan is zen?
xyzw [4k\]: komi is .5
rsun [5d\]: 8d
RainierBob [?\]: it's common
redreoicy [4d\]: a8 is actually a move that white has to play for the best endgame
]
;B[lm]BL[60]OB[3]C[rsbot [-\]: [B216\] Best move: l12 (winrate 81.03% in 35505 playouts)
redreoicy [4d\]: if you don't play it, black won't need to add a move after a12 a11 a16
]
;W[kc]WL[60]OW[3]C[readytogo [4k\]: so its worth 1pt
GoIngo [?\]: cs: 82 %
zxcvbnm [1k\]: Black doesn't need to add a move even now after a16 though?
HKGOGO [7k\]: good explanation for a8!
sysreq [1k\]: a12 a11 a16 tenuki then what?
darkronin [2k?\]: is a10 - a12 etc a functioning sequence for white?
LIORisrael [3d\]: l12 big
redreoicy [4d\]: i'm wrong
jlm [2d\]: B up just a couple pts
]
;B[kh]BL[60]OB[3]C[IA [-\]: lol
redreoicy [4d\]: somehow i thought a10 b9 is forced
LIORisrael [3d\]: boom
York [5d\]: it's ok, red
rsbot [-\]: [B218\] Best move: d6 (winrate 79.13% in 36092 playouts); sequence: d6 d5 d7 q14
zxcvbnm [1k\]: It happens
redreoicy [4d\]: but if a10 black plays a12
York [5d\]: it seems that 9p made the same mistake
redreoicy [4d\]: oops
zxcvbnm [1k\]: Exactly
]
;W[gc]WL[60]OW[3]C[gghideki [?\]: safe mode
fluislost [?\]: lol
probetter: maybe, black win +7
]
;B[hd]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[dm]WL[60]OW[3]C[gghideki [?\]: score is going decreasing :)
GodofGo [6d\]: no w said she used a8 for ko threat in commentary
fluislost [?\]: q14
Lugia [9d\]: b+5
rsbot [-\]: [B222\] Best move: k17 (winrate 77.24% in 34925 playouts); sequence: k17 k18 q14 m12
Adria [27k?\]: hyeyon is 9d?
]
;B[jc]BL[60]OB[3]C[GodofGo [6d\]: 9p
KurataSan [2d\]: e7 is actually ok
probetter: yes Pro 9d
]
;W[jb]WL[60]OW[3]C[Adria [27k?\]: what is 9p?
darkronin [2k?\]: 9p, which is greater than 9d
Adria [27k?\]: ah ok
taqpol [?\]: Meanspro
KurataSan [2d\]: as long as zen plays e9 afterwards
fluislost [?\]: 9p may be 8d kgs
darkronin [2k?\]: super strong :D
rsun [5d\]: 9dan pro
gghideki [?\]: 9p is pro 9dan
enumerator [1k\]: 9p is not greater than 9d
enumerator [1k\]: differant classification
fluislost [?\]: isn't 9p a title and not a rank?
taqpol [?\]: Enu that's not true
gghideki [?\]: 9d is amateur 9d <<<<< 9p
vellavu [7k\]: you can't get 10d in kgs
tadanobu [8k?\]: 9d exists ?
]
;B[es]BL[60]OB[3]C[Poffli [12k\]: 9d does not exist
mafutrct [-\]: Do we really need to talk about that, guys?
rsbot [-\]: [W225\] Best move: d1
Cybercage [5k\]: actually as far as i know 9d doesnt exsist
]
;W[gp]WL[60]OW[3]C[trohde [?\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?ChoHyeYeon
Cybercage [5k\]: up to 7d
Poffli [12k\]: only on online servers
enumerator [1k\]: looks like it
Adria [27k?\]: from 8d to 9p then?
taqpol [?\]: Pro level
readytogo [4k\]: malfut why so worried about convo?
readytogo [4k\]: ?
York [5d\]: many people talked about 9d. but you know, just some urban legend
]
;B[gq]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[lh]WL[60]OW[3]C[Poffli [12k\]: it goes up to 7d, then 1p-9p, there are amateur 7d than can beat lower pro ranks
rsbot [-\]: [B228\] Best move: n12
Poffli [12k\]: the difference between 1p and 9p is roughly 2,5 stones
]
;B[mh]BL[60]OB[3]C[taqpol [?\]: But that was not the point
York [5d\]: i know an amateur 6dan who beats yoda 9p in serious tournament...
flobby [-\]: not it isn't
]
;W[hf]WL[60]OW[3]C[zxcvbnm [1k\]: Poffli, that's an outdated way of thinking
gosei [2d\]: no 7d europe could beat new 1 p in korea....
Cybercage [5k\]: woah.. for real @york
flobby [-\]: poffli, newly minted 1p are stronger than many 9ps.
vellavu [7k\]: what
York [5d\]: i thought it is less than 0.5 stone
readytogo [4k\]: yes but yoda issnt real
pokamon: can a bot become a pro rank or is 9 dan the highest?
Hanekiri [19k?\]: oho wats dis?
go95211 [6k\]: damn
rsun [5d\]: alphago is 9p now
]
;B[ig]BL[60]OB[3]C[Cybercage [5k\]: do you have the sgf?
Voyz [3k\]: Alphago 9p
rsbot [-\]: [W231\] Best move: f16
]
;W[kg]WL[60]OW[3]C[inquisitor [3k\]: f16 !
Becubio [4k\]: one group vs five...
CptDoge [2d\]: alphago strongest in world imho
York [5d\]: rsun, alphago is just honourary 9d
Poffli [12k\]: yeah of course. because you dont rank down. i mean fresh 9p and fresh 1p
zxcvbnm [1k\]: Oh?
condensed [4k\]: Fernando Aguilar (aguilar1 6d KGS) beat two 9p 
inquisitor [3k\]: ?????
zxcvbnm [1k\]: This seems interesting
xyzw [4k\]: l13?
flobby [-\]: new 1ps are stronger than many active 9ps.
pokamon: alphago has 9p or 9 d?
Providence [3d\]: "fresh 9p" makes no sense
flobby [-\]: and even new 9ps aren't 2.5 stones stronger than new 1ps
redreoicy [4d\]: b might just k12
inquisitor [3k\]: what is l13 ? misclick?
GodofGo [6d\]: old 9p is different
HKGOGO [7k\]: magic time for w?
gosei [2d\]: honorary 9p
York [5d\]: common
taqpol [?\]: Lol fresh 9p
redreoicy [4d\]: l13 is looking for ko fight
flobby [-\]: maybe something like 3-4 komi difference.
]
;B[gf]BL[60]OB[3]C[Becubio [4k\]: is this a super tesuji?
KBAC [2d\]: Omg, ranking holywar again
York [5d\]: 2.5 stones even a random guy like me can beat a 9p
redreoicy [4d\]: but black doesn't want to play ko fight
inquisitor [3k\]: why not f16 
Poffli [12k\]: im talking about players who just went 9p
rsbot [-\]: [W233\] Best move: l14
]
;W[ke]WL[60]OW[3]C[York [5d\]: (i did)
GodofGo [6d\]: l15
GodofGo [6d\]: now big ko
xyzw [4k\]: how so?
redreoicy [4d\]: b just play k12 is likely 
GodofGo [6d\]: or e19 connect
redreoicy [4d\]: based on the t13 moves
]
;B[hg]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[jh]WL[60]OW[3]C[xyzw [4k\]: now it's big
renkfull [6k\]: kooo
xyzw [4k\]: why did b do that? O.o
fluislost [?\]: b won, nothing is big enough anymore
KBAC [2d\]: W' last hope
inquisitor [3k\]: why this ko is big?
readytogo [4k\]: looks close to me
fluislost [?\]: this ko is insignificant . 
redreoicy [4d\]: worth 5 points
Becubio [4k\]: now she can make 2 groups of zen
Proucht [2d\]: this ko is big
fluislost [?\]: won't change the result of the game
Lyoug [4k\]: any winrate?
redreoicy [4d\]: huge compared to other endgame moves
fluislost [?\]: so useless ko
zxcvbnm [1k\]: The ko is big because the game is close
]
;B[ek]BL[60]OB[3]C[taqpol [?\]: They could have done better
Cybercage [5k\]: hohohoho now things getting exciting
Becubio [4k\]: why is a big ko?
Lugia [9d\]: black has more ko threats
zxcvbnm [1k\]: uh?
]
;W[pf]WL[60]OW[3]C[Higanbana [?\]: It might mean that the bot has read it out and knows that it doesn't need the ko fight
fluislost [?\]: b doesn't need the ko to win
gghideki [?\]: 95% now
HYamashita [2k?\]: Aya thinks 87% for b.
fluislost [?\]: so why even fight hte ko
xyzw [4k\]: because l12 l11 and k10 become w territory if w wins ko
readytogo [4k\]: q14  nice
inquisitor [3k\]: w is winning
fluislost [?\]: w is so far behind this ko is 100% useless
GoIngo [?\]: % are more telling than scores
Adria [27k?\]: wht hyeyeon is not on the top 100?
zxcvbnm [1k\]: "so far behind" is an overstatement
]
;B[od]BL[60]OB[3]C[jlm [2d\]: It is close
cenalexis [1d\]: how strong is zen?
rsbot [-\]: 14 (winrate 77.43% in 26720 playouts); sequence: l14 a10 a7 a12[B238\] Best move: l
gosei [2d\]: she is no active pro iguess
taqpol [?\]: This game looks so solid from the beginning not many daring exchanges
inquisitor [3k\]: l11 
]
;W[ds]WL[60]OW[3]C[gogadget [1k\]: take l11 now
cel102739 [3k\]: Close game, W slight lead
inquisitor [3k\]: why not l11 ?
cenalexis [1d\]: need to be greedy to win
flobby [-\]: she's probably not top 100 in the world, but still quite strong
fluislost [?\]: b leads
Proucht [2d\]: prove it
GoIngo [?\]: Hyeyeong needs more training against bots
cenalexis [1d\]: white needs to be greedy to win
]
;B[fs]BL[60]OB[3]C[MMXVI [3k\]: she's pro, so can't play rated games on KGS
xyzw [4k\]: end ko
redreoicy [4d\]: zen going for .5 win
gosei [2d\]: h1
rsbot [-\]: [W241\] Best move: h1 (winrate 20.27% in 24544 playouts); sequence: h1 g1 j1 l14
]
;W[ea]WL[60]OW[3]C[Cybercage [5k\]: why .5 tho?
GoIngo [?\]: long story
inquisitor [3k\]: l11 ?
fluislost [?\]: to demolish ego of w
GoIngo [?\]: from the early days of MC go
readytogo [4k\]: zen likes .5
Poffli [12k\]: she is ranked 6th on remi couloms goratings.org among the ladies
]
;B[fa]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[da]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[fb]BL[60]OB[3]C[Poffli [12k\]: from jan 1st
rsun [5d\]: 0.5 inflicts the most psychological damage to humans
]
;W[ga]WL[60]OW[3]C[darkronin [2k?\]: coulomb?
GoIngo [?\]: coulom
fluislost [?\]: too bad this game won't count for the ranking list
gghideki [?\]: Zen never try 0.5 pts win, instead around 10 pts
rsbot [-\]: [B246\] Best move: l14
sheenzz [1d\]: w need to win ko
CptDoge [2d\]: if 0.5 has more wining % then he is going for it
HKGOGO [7k\]: I hope w doesn't lose by 0.5......
inquisitor [3k\]: l11 
gghideki [?\]: never happen, CptDoge
Higanbana [?\]: A guaranteed 0.5 is better than a risky 1.5 for a bot
redreoicy [4d\]: well right now 1.5 gapand expect it to go down to .5
sheenzz [1d\]: e7 is best move
CptDoge [2d\]: at least alphago does it this way
]
;B[em]BL[60]OB[3]C[GoIngo [?\]: Japanese rules gentlemen!
]
;W[dn]WL[60]OW[3]C[fluislost [?\]: ooooo this is jp rules indeed
GoIngo [?\]: there it is risky for bot to try 0.5-win
sheenzz [1d\]: now ko
York [5d\]: i thought bots play only chinese rule no?
fluislost [?\]: we can use the SE
rsbot [-\]: l[B248\] Bes
rsbot [-\]: t move: l14
]
;B[is]BL[60]OB[3]C[rsun [5d\]: not all
]
;W[js]WL[60]OW[3]C[gghideki [?\]: 97%
Cybercage [5k\]: a12 soon?
HYamashita [2k?\]: wow Japanese rule.
]
;B[hs]BL[60]OB[3]C[cenalexis [1d\]: se is strong
KBAC [2d\]: 0.5 win is some intentional complication for algorithm imo
]
;W[ah]WL[60]OW[3]C[zxcvbnm [1k\]: Seems 2.5 win for black
fluislost [?\]: 97% win for zen ^^
]
;B[ai]BL[60]OB[3]C[redreoicy [4d\]: yeah 2.5
]
;W[ad]WL[60]OW[3]C[fluislost [?\]: w win would be a miracle
rsbot [-\]: [B254\] Best move: l14
Lugia [9d\]: why doesn't black take the ko?
Cybercage [5k\]: does he needs to? *no sarcasm*
fluislost [?\]: there are 3 kos
sheenzz [1d\]: bot think he win
inbae [?\]: maybe he thinks it's unnecessary
juhop [1d\]: he's scared of ko
York [5d\]: it learns from alphago sensei
]
;B[of]BL[60]OB[3]C[MajorTom [2d\]: Not needed 
readytogo [4k\]: n15 is point
redreoicy [4d\]: bot has confidence in winning without ko
vellavu [7k\]: 3 kos
readytogo [4k\]: was point
]
;W[me]WL[60]OW[3]C[ccdb: does't like to
gosei [2d\]: white is winning
sykta [3k\]: l11 is pretty big
inquisitor [3k\]: w will llose
rsbot [-\]: [B256\] Best move: l14
FUZxxl [6k\]: L11 is not really big, W can win the Ko anytime she wants to
fluislost [?\]: leela is obcessed with L14 lol
taqpol [?\]: Cybercage you are scared *no sarcasm*
gosei [2d\]: why do I yount a win for white
York [5d\]: taking ko means risk. risk is bad. more winrate is good. <---bot logic
probetter: black win more than +1.5
gosei [2d\]: ahhrg
]
;B[nq]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[ag]WL[60]OW[3]C[fluislost [?\]: ut
fluislost [?\]: WUT
gosei [2d\]: maybe i want that white eins:)
redreoicy [4d\]: taking dame is better than takign ko
Becubio [4k\]: why not L11?
ergodic [3d\]: becuase a13 creates threats?
zxcvbnm [1k\]: ko is risky in bot's eyes
rsbot [-\]: [B258\] Best move: l14
GoIngo [?\]: she lost her eyes in St. Petersburg
zxcvbnm [1k\]: therefore, dame instead
]
;B[ok]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[om]WL[60]OW[3]C[fluislost [?\]: i fear we will assist to useless long ko fight where b wins even if lose ko
zxcvbnm [1k\]: (literally dame towards ko)
inquisitor [3k\]: w shd play f16 instead of l13 
redreoicy [4d\]: so b will win 1.5 after letting whtie win 3 kos while he play dame
Cybercage [5k\]: @taqpol what do you mean?
rsbot [-\]: [B260\] Best move: l14
]
;B[lq]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[kp]WL[60]OW[3]C[Schachus12 [3k\]: japanese rule, right?
GoIngo [?\]: 379 people waiting for Godot !
gosei [2d\]: ahh no
GoIngo [?\]: right
sykta [3k\]: is this first match ?
GoIngo [?\]: yes
fluislost [?\]: "how to lose with 4 corners and K10"
phenix06 [2k\]: l14 best mov e ? ^^
redreoicy [4d\]: q15
sykta [3k\]: when is second one ?
cenalexis [1d\]: but zen has two handicap
GoIngo [?\]: interesting aspect fluislost
x0000 [-\]: Bot really refuses to play ko
bert [?\]: oh, haven't seen godot for some time now
]
;B[pe]BL[60]OB[3]C[CptDoge [2d\]: lol
GodofGo [6d\]: lol
redreoicy [4d\]: HAH called q15
redreoicy [4d\]: i know how bot thinks
cenalexis [1d\]: hahah
]
;W[ki]WL[60]OW[3]C[rsbot [-\]: [W263\] Best move: l14 (winrate 16.00% in 23146 playouts); sequence: l14 n14 k10 r12
redreoicy [4d\]: remove ko threat better than taking ko
York [5d\]: how should we call this: kophobia?
]
;B[qh]BL[60]OB[3]C[zxcvbnm [1k\]: kophobic
readytogo [4k\]: no
HYamashita [2k?\]: Aya's selfplay result is B+2.5
zxcvbnm [1k\]: WHAT
GodofGo [6d\]: b won
x0000 [-\]: Now ko?
zxcvbnm [1k\]: Why now xD
]
;W[bi]WL[60]OW[3]C[redreoicy [4d\]: maybe it is hard coded when wr above some value, never play ko xD
gosei [2d\]: white win this ko,but still
York [5d\]: it works at a mysterious way
land [?\]: can't win double ko, now can win a single ko
cenalexis [1d\]: wow thats very risky
cenalexis [1d\]: if never play ko when winnning
vellavu [7k\]: ha
zxcvbnm [1k\]: Can Zen ko though?
]
;B[aj]BL[60]OB[3]C[readytogo [4k\]: omg move 
]
;W[rh]WL[60]OW[3]C[rsbot [-\]: [B268\] Best move: f16 (winrate 95.29% in 19426 playouts)
x0000 [-\]: Zen can avoid ko just fine
redreoicy [4d\]: n14
readytogo [4k\]: why take so long in endgame : (
CptDoge [2d\]: enjoy the moment before the win
]
;B[aq]BL[60]OB[3]C[readytogo [4k\]: bot enjoy?
York [5d\]: actually i can't accept fan hui and aja claiming "alphago plays ko well" even it beats lee sedol. this is not determined by winning or losing but by logic
]
;W[ar]WL[60]OW[3]C[GodofGo [6d\]: b 6 ko threats
]
;B[qh]BL[60]OB[3]C[flobby [-\]: you simply haven't seen alphago vs alphago games where as fan hui and aja have, york
]
;W[bj]WL[60]OW[3]C[redreoicy [4d\]: probably plays ko well is also based on insider knowledge
rsbot [-\]: [W271\] Best move: a7 (winrate 12.92% in 36594 playouts); sequence: a7 b7 s12 l5
gghideki [?\]: readytogo: because almost all moves are winning ones
land [?\]: meaby there is a different category for bots to "play ko well"
Xylol [4k?\]: whats rsbot?
readytogo [4k\]: lol gg right
Becubio [4k\]: this ko is for w
flobby [-\]: it's the rsunbot
Doolam [1d\]: 韩国职业围棋选手----赵惠连---2012-10-04 第1届韩国女子十段战半决赛【胜 金仑映 三段】
darkronin [2k?\]: yes
York [5d\]: but i saw game 2 against lee sedol and alphago doesn't take ko like this game
gghideki [?\]: if there is one move to win, Zen plays is immediately
Xylol [4k?\]: rsun himself?
]
;B[bk]BL[60]OB[3]C[cenalexis [1d\]: alpha go is different from other bot
]
;W[rh]WL[60]OW[3]C[cenalexis [1d\]: alpha go is creative
redreoicy [4d\]: in game 2 alphago had large lead at the time
x0000 [-\]: b has more threats
redreoicy [4d\]: can't say it's playing ko badly when it has no impact on the game
Adria [27k?\]: where is this big ko?
cenalexis [1d\]: he even makes he's own joseki
GoIngo [?\]: alpha is hybrid: half Google half bot
rsbot [-\]: [B274\] Best move: f16 (winrate 95.78% in 23232 playouts); sequence: f16 r12 n14 k10
York [5d\]: which is , an evidence it hasn't mastered the concept of "ko" but just avoided it and able to win without it
flobby [-\]: no, it's evidence it didn't need the ko to win
gghideki [?\]: choosing best one takes long time if many move have almost the same winrate, 98%
redreoicy [4d\]: master no, better than humans, likely
]
;B[so]BL[60]OB[3]C[York [5d\]: it came up with an effective strategy to avoid it, but not playing it good
]
;W[rn]WL[60]OW[3]C[readytogo [4k\]: if w can caount lost game why not resign?
readytogo [4k\]: count
cenalexis [1d\]: its better to finish
York [5d\]: in game 3 alphago wasted an entire ko treat in fighting ko
readytogo [4k\]: is it?
]
;B[qh]BL[60]OB[3]C[GoIngo [?\]: for the audiene
]
;W[fd]WL[60]OW[3]C[GoIngo [?\]: play it for the audience
rsbot [-\]: [B278\] Best move: e16
CptDoge [2d\]: there was a ko lee sedol avoided against alphago
]
;B[ed]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[rh]WL[60]OW[3]C[GodofGo [6d\]: lol just watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zjRBVVRdDM instead of this incessant speculation of what she thinks
pumroll [2d\]: b18
KBAC [2d\]: B has only 2 groups .Such a connectedness 
Becubio [4k\]: w must be angry for the time b uses for this...
readytogo [4k\]: a nd w has 3
]
;B[sr]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[rr]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[qh]BL[60]OB[3]C[rsbot [-\]: [B280\] Best move: l5 (winrate 97.14% in 21137 playouts)
GoIngo [?\]: white has all 4 corners + k10
]
;W[bm]WL[60]OW[3]C[vellavu [7k\]: out of ko threats
GodofGo [6d\]: b won ko
GodofGo [6d\]: b can use b18
x0000 [-\]: b18 c19 are the threats
dingo2 [-\]: still s4 for black
]
;B[am]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[rh]WL[60]OW[3]C[redreoicy [4d\]: yes s4 or t3 also
KBAC [2d\]: W has 5 groups before this famous ko
weber [7k\]: g15 also
readytogo [4k\]: 4
rsbot [-\]: [B286\] Best move: l5 (winrate 98.53% in 19718 playouts); sequence: l5 r12 p8 n14
x0000 [-\]: s4 not a threat, right?
redreoicy [4d\]: not a threat
gogadget [1k\]: right
redreoicy [4d\]: can't read liberties
Fahrenheit [1d\]: t3
]
;B[bb]BL[60]OB[3]C[jhuun [-\]: reassuring to hear even bot screws up filling dame 1.5% of the times =)
CptDoge [2d\]: s4 is a threat
York [5d\]: s4 is better
]
;W[ab]WL[60]OW[3]C[redreoicy [4d\]: s4 ignore 
vellavu [7k\]: wow
CptDoge [2d\]: after b t3 seki
]
;B[qh]BL[60]OB[3]C[GodofGo [6d\]: s4 not threat lol
York [5d\]: oops p8:O
York [5d\]: :P
zxcvbnm [1k\]: Doge, there's a liberty at p8
York [5d\]: didn't see that
GodofGo [6d\]: p8 not threat also lol
taqpol [?\]: S4 barely makes seki
GodofGo [6d\]: oh 
GodofGo [6d\]: nvm
]
;W[ge]WL[60]OW[3]C[Cybercage [5k\]: SE got crazy again
rsbot [-\]: [B290\] Best move: f15
GodofGo [6d\]: yea but nth on bottom right
Becubio [4k\]: that was the last threat...
]
;B[fe]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[rh]WL[60]OW[3]C[Fahrenheit [1d\]: c19
weber [7k\]: no, h11, e10
rsbot [-\]: [B292\] Best move: l18 (winrate 98.90% in 18285 playouts); sequence: l18 m18 r12 n14
readytogo [4k\]: b t3 w t4 
]
;B[rp]BL[60]OB[3]C[rsbot [-\]: that's it, thanks
bert [?\]: ha
York [5d\]: wow
]
;W[qh]WL[60]OW[3]C[GodofGo [6d\]: uh
redreoicy [4d\]: it's not a threat
x0000 [-\]: wow
gosei [2d\]: hmm
redreoicy [4d\]: it doesn't lose anythign
taqpol [?\]:  I would be curving out the board like cake if I am strong like that
kakugen [9k\]: ?????????????,
Voyz [3k\]: looooool
cenalexis [1d\]: 0.5
GodofGo [6d\]: lol@zen
Voyz [3k\]: resign
gosei [2d\]: 2.5
redreoicy [4d\]: 1.5 still
x0000 [-\]: 1,5
cel102739 [3k\]: 0.g game?
York [5d\]: zen overlooked a liberty
cel102739 [3k\]: 0.5
York [5d\]: obviously :)
Cybercage [5k\]: its unlikely but it would be funny if zen loses on time because of a random bug accors
KBAC [2d\]: C19
redreoicy [4d\]: p8 is still sente
darkronin [2k?\]: uh?
tika [10k\]: T3
Voyz [3k\]: t3 
taqpol [?\]: T3seki?
KBAC [2d\]: Was a threat
redreoicy [4d\]: t3 s5
]
;B[sq]BL[60]OB[3]C[pumroll [2d\]: ????
taqpol [?\]: Seki
zife [4d\]: p8 p8 p8 p8 p8 p8 p8 p8
]
;W[ro]WL[60]OW[3]C[tika [10k\]: lol
gosei [2d\]: lost apoint!
Cybercage [5k\]: gg
kakugen [9k\]: p8 loooool
Voyz [3k\]: LOOOOL
gosei [2d\]: ahh nope
taqpol [?\]: Lol
gosei [2d\]: sorry
Voyz [3k\]: Bot fail
ergodic [3d\]: does not lose point
York [5d\]: i remember when deep blue was playing it lose by time because of a bug
gosei [2d\]: no los
bert [?\]: this will be a problem for zen programmer
Ashkelon [2k\]: b +0.5...8( 
gghideki [?\]: Zen uses Chinese rules internally so ... :)
York [5d\]: then media started creating rumors like "Deep blue gets angry and refuses to play"
Schachus12 [3k\]: 1,5 still
]
;B[ol]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[sp]WL[60]OW[3]C[redreoicy [4d\]: even in japanese rules it didn't lose any points
redreoicy [4d\]: it was same as playing dame instead of c19
Ornable [2k\]: score estimator thinks b19 is dead lol
Schachus12 [3k\]: the chinese rule is also the reason for missing out on playing the ko earlier
GoIngo [?\]: SE kaputt now
viajero [2d?\]: 1
cel102739 [3k\]: SE is bad at tsume go
Becubio [4k\]: but SE of kgs is not the SE of zen
viajero [2d?\]: hello\\
sunsos [?\]: Black wins by 1.5 points
]
;B[ko]BL[60]OB[3]C[Etienne [3d\]: b+43.5
]
;W[qd]WL[60]OW[3]C[x0000 [-\]: SE is too strong at tsumego
readytogo [4k\]: ok who wins?
tildebis [-\]: B
Cybercage [5k\]: Do not question the power of Mighty SE!!!! it is our superior! seeing unseeable for our eyes
gosei [2d\]: se has a great imagination skill:)
Etienne [3d\]: SE is right, top left is dead
tika [10k\]: N +1.5
cel102739 [3k\]: Very close, but I think B wns
]
;B[mf]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[ns]WL[60]OW[3]C[York [5d\]: SE: kills living group. Doesn't agree with other bots estimation. when Zen only won by 1.5, SE says screw it and claim it could win by 43.5
]
;B[ne]BL[60]OB[3]C[gghideki [?\]: now wr is 100% !:)
]
;W[md]WL[60]OW[3]C[readytogo [4k\]: who counted?
vellavu [7k\]: SE is better than alphago's value network
rsun [5d\]: zen
chokan [9d?\]: zen counted
vellavu [7k\]: hell yeah
GoIngo [?\]: What is Hyeyeon discussing in youtube stream?
Etienne [3d\]: b+43.5
]
;B[]BL[60]OB[3]C[readytogo [4k\]: lol
inbae [?\]: just kinda chit-chat
cel102739 [3k\]: B has 64
]
;W[]WL[60]OW[3]TW[aa][ca][ha][ia][ja][ka][la][ma][na][oa][pa][qa][ra][sa][bb][cb][kb][lb][rb][sb][ac][sc][sd][se][kf][kh][jj][do][so][bp][dp][rp][aq][qq][sq][br][cr][jr][kr][sr][as][bs][cs][ls][ss]TB[fd][de][ee][ge][df][ef][ff][hf][dg][eg][fg][gg][ng][dh][eh][fh][gh][hh][nh][bi][ci][di][ei][fi][gi][hi][bj][dj][ej][fj][gj][sj][dk][gk][sk][al][cl][bm][km][mm][jn][no][gr][gs]C[taqpol [?\]: Is there another game
vellavu [7k\]: damn
zAxis [-\]: gg
Voyz [3k\]: gg
GoIngo [?\]: congrats to zen team!
ergodic [3d\]: gg
Pingo [6k\]: nice game
kakugen [9k\]: gg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
gghideki [?\]: thank you for the game
])
