(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Chinese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[7200]OT[3x60 byo-yomi]
GN[Deep Mind Challenge Match Round 5]PW[AlphaGo]PB[Lee Sedol]BR[9p]DT[2016-03-15]EV[Deep Mind Challenge Match]RO[5]PC[Four Seasons Hotel, Seoul South-Korea]US[Sleepy toe]C[Cilien [-\]: Bonjour
Tictactoe [-\]: Ah bien venu
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Lee Sedol started at A1
Tictactoe [-\]: Today we wonder, was it the sheer pressure of the huge pricemoney, or did sedol underestimate alph at first
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Very clever move
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Tictactoe - Game #5 is a toss-up as to who will win
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Lee Sedol will probably try to take advantage of whatever happened in last game
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Whatever new concept Lee Sedol tried to apply
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Whether it was a fuseki he liked, or some other strategy
Tictactoe [-\]: No matter the result, hope you will enjoy yet another excellent game
XiJinping2 [2k\]: I won't, because I'm going to bed :)
jellyroll [4k?\]: resign!
Euphony [3k\]: It would be really nice to see Lee pull off another win
jellyroll [4k?\]: I hope we see another amashi struggle....
jellyroll [4k?\]: it seems to be the only way!
nestango [3k\]: Lee sedol a ganar!
Euphony [3k\]: so probably sedol does 4-4 then 3-4, then solid play for awhile.
Euphony [3k\]: but he has black... so hard to play like game 2 or 4. hmmm
customgob: Ive been wondering, if Alphago might lose to Mirror go
customgob: itts not a human, so it may not sense somethings wrong
Euphony [3k\]: let alphago build moyo, then reduce or invade
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Will Lee Sedol just REPEAT his moves from the last game? O_O
bryamatt [11k\]: is the game still half hour away?
santiago [2d\]: he lost all his games with b, so probably not
santiago [2d\]: yes, but the stream just started
bryamatt [11k\]: that countdown got my hopes up
geomav [7k\]: What's the word on move 78 of last game? No way to squash it? Redmond seemed to suggest no way for AG but and Myungwan Kim like L10 for AG to kill Sedol in middle...
bryamatt [11k\]: and do we know for sure sedol has b? I thought they were going to nigiri game 5
santiago [2d\]: geomav, it was a nice move but it didn't work after all
geomav [7k\]: he asked for b in press conference claiming it would actually be harder for him
santiago [2d\]: lucky for lee, alphago didn't know the answer
bryamatt [11k\]: ahh i've missed all the press conferences :(
santiago [2d\]: lee asked for b in the last game, to have an opportunity to win with both colors
geomav [7k\]: L10 you mean? Move 78 wins middle no matter what??
santiago [2d\]: apparently there was a way to refute 78
Tictactoe [-\]: yes it should have been ko
geomav [7k\]: Oh okay... I'm still hearing different things
numbaoneee: hi ;)
weaknoob: Alpha might not of seen 78 coming so didn't have any searches prior so made a bad move 
numbaoneee: Lee Sedol NUMBA ONE!!!!!!!!
Tictactoe [-\]: on a chinese website, i found indepth analyses
numbaoneee: someone can say where i can watch ke jie commenting?
numbaoneee: in korean stream
geomav [7k\]: I''m gonna try AGA stream maybe this time...they keep the board on the screen
numbaoneee: link please geomav
Meloe [-\]: hello
geomav [7k\]: rgr hang on
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Is AGA stream the one with Redmond?
XiJinping2 [2k\]: I like Redmond's stream
geomav [7k\]: Thats deepmind stream
geomav [7k\]: disap[pointed
numbaoneee: what
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Ah
numbaoneee: i tried ming stream
geomav [7k\]: it stayed of board for the entire historic sequence
geomav [7k\]: *Off board
numbaoneee: i bet on lee sedol
geomav [7k\]: AGA https://www.youtube.com/user/USGOWeb
geomav [7k\]: I think they say it begins delayed???
Tictactoe [-\]: sorry about that, black probably won't start with a pass
bryamatt [11k\]: "probably"
Johy [8k\]: Please, more tesujis!
numbaoneee: omg
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Oh
geomav [7k\]: Redmond points out how 78 required three moves before hand...setting it up...
XiJinping2 [2k\]: https://www.youtube.com/embed/mzpW10DPHeQ
XiJinping2 [2k\]: NO PRESSURE
geomav [7k\]: If you look at time breakdown...you see it
XiJinping2 [2k\]: How so, geomav?
geomav [7k\]: http://i.imgur.com/3HcJKbk.png
geomav [7k\]: See the time thinking was mostly before 78
numbaoneee: where is korean ke jie stream?
Deterra [11k?\]: Thanks for this geomav
numbaoneee: i remember a website called gfame something
Tictactoe [-\]: A chance of one in twothousand for mv78 in round4, david silver is a nice guy
geomav [7k\]: 10 min then 16 min move
numbaoneee: game*
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Wow
XiJinping2 [2k\]: According to the live stream, AlphaGo actually does have really crappy time control routines
XiJinping2 [2k\]: That seems like an issue the developers would have spent a bit more time on............
Deterra [11k?\]: It sounds like an issue they DID spend time on.  It's a tricky issue.
XiJinping2 [2k\]: "should have" I mean
weaknoob: Also Alpha needs to learn to evaluate it's opponent so it will resign earlier than playing it out so far against top pro's who aren't going to make a mistake
geomav [7k\]: Alpha go plays relatively unfazed by time...same guy made this graph... http://i.imgur.com/XJJgPBO.png
XiJinping2 [2k\]: If you look at a graph of time AlphaGo uses on each move, it's basically the same amount of time each turn
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Just going down slightly over time
Tictactoe [-\]: yes it seemed like alph used a minute a move
Deterra [11k?\]: What an elegant graph geomav
Tictactoe [-\]: even for obvious moves
geomav [7k\]: A guy on reddit posting them
Deterra [11k?\]: AlphaGo's time usage is very consistent.
Deterra [11k?\]: Thanks!
geomav [7k\]: more https://www.reddit.com/user/junkwhinger/submitted/
Deterra [11k?\]: Thanks again!
JeanAlbert [5k\]: gogo LEE 
Azal [2d\]: ke jie channel ?
JeanAlbert [5k\]: Go Go LEE
numbaoneee: ke jie channel
Deterra [11k?\]: Does Ke Jie have a live commentary going that's translated to English?
eatramen [?\]: no translation
Deterra [11k?\]: Phooey.  Not even a text translation?
eatramen [?\]: no
Shinichi56 [-\]: so Kim starts how much time after?
eatramen [?\]: lol
Deterra [11k?\]: Too bad.  Thanks anyway
eatramen [?\]: about an hour after
HandA [2d?\]: yoooo
Shinichi56 [-\]: wow
HandA [2d?\]: let's GOOO
Trevoke [?\]: Kim will start at 1AM EST
darkrmgc [3k\]: People in AGA stream chat were translating Ke Jie commentary
Shinichi56 [-\]: okay I'll watch Redmond and WowLock until then :)
Azal [2d\]: -.-
Winrry [9k?\]: i on kejie commentary now too
numbaoneee: where is aga stream/
numbaoneee: no one is posting links :(
Winrry [9k?\]: le tv showing live streaming
darkrmgc [3k\]: it will start in about an hour after a game
Winrry [9k?\]: google letv
darkrmgc [3k\]: just search for american go association
geomav [7k\]: He had guest appearance by Lee Hajin (3p)  ...She was supercute... She even came up with a variation on 78 before it was played...got Kim working on it before it happened
adoreme [3d\]: is it just me or does the google deepmind guy look like redmond?
numbaoneee: indeed lol
Deterra [11k?\]: TBH I feel like the PROGRAMMERS of AlphaGo may have pioneered a new way of playing go.  If AlphaGo is truly superior to a 9p player due to a different approach, I feel like we should credit the DeepMind team for the oncoming Go Revolution.
Winrry [9k?\]: but its in mandarin 
dsaun [-\]: aga stream, when it starts.will be ///
adoreme [3d\]: he just looks like redmond a few years younger ^^
dsaun [-\]: https://gaming.youtube.com/user/USGOWeb/live
numbaoneee: ty
Winrry [9k?\]: ty tictactoe sensei for replaying
rsun [-\]: is this guy french?
dsaun [-\]: (geomav,long strings break wordwrap)
Deterra [11k?\]: Laurent was his name, no?  It's a french name, at least
Cyphase [?\]: oui
Shinichi56 [-\]: redmond twin :)
rsun [-\]: what about the previous guy
Trevoke [?\]: Laurent is definitely French, Arthur sounded French as well.
rsun [-\]: really, their accents sound very different to me
Meloe [-\]: he speak english like french people :)
darkrmgc [3k\]: yup
Deterra [11k?\]: He's breathing like he doesn't like being on camera.
darkrmgc [3k\]: both sounded french
Trevoke [?\]: Their accents are different, but that doesn't make them less French. It's likely a consequence of the age at which they learned English
Trevoke [?\]: If you hear me speak English, I'll have a lesser accent, but an accent nonetheless.
oonicks: lesson 1 in camera is you have to look at it
royu [4d\]: man, that last question was...
Winrry [9k?\]: now my firefox is not responding well lol
numbaoneee: now redmond is going to the vital point
firefox04 [2k\]: What's this match? 
rustychow [5k\]: haha did the team take games from kgs?
Deterra [11k?\]: 5/5
GoIngo [?\]: good morning, everybody, from Germany
Shinichi56 [-\]: yes from 5d +
Deterra [11k?\]: Lee Sedol will play black.  He has one 1/5 so far.
rustychow [5k\]: i wonder if someone on kgs played that 5th line shoulder hit haha
firefox04 [2k\]: LSD again?  Thought alpha won? 
Shinichi56 [-\]: christian pop do it sometimes
Winrry [9k?\]: hii Goingo...
GoIngo [?\]: I think, the early Zen, back in Summer 2009, played such moves
Deterra [11k?\]: Lee won game 4.
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Lee Sedol played A1 first move O_O
dehuong [1k\]: I hope Lee to play solid style, fighting seem doesn't work
Winrry [9k?\]: maybe someone would use cs to simulate again
Deterra [11k?\]: Fighting is exactly what won him Game 4!
Cyphase [?\]: he asked to play black for this last game after his win
firefox04 [2k\]: Yes but alpha already won 3 games
Cyphase [?\]: because he won as white
numbaoneee: this song is nice
Winrry [9k?\]: actually
rsun [-\]: take territory, erase moyo -- foolproof strategy
Deterra [11k?\]: He seemed to express that he thought AlphaGo was weak against white.
Anatoly [2d?\]: why did Lee asked to play black? shouldn't he play black anyway this game? 
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: so he shiold want to be white again
Winrry [9k?\]: i think lee just need play computer like human
oonicks: the tradition is that during a match they loose the champion is allowed to choose colour once they are behind
TheBear [9k\]: Lee still has to play all 5 games to get paid he gets 150,000 just for that and 20,000 for any games he wins 
firefox04 [2k\]: Not after the Google guys tweaked it to learn from its less? 
geomav [7k\]: No he said AG stronger as white
rsun [-\]: they were going to do nigiri in game 5
XiJinping2 [2k\]: oonicks - Really??
Winrry [9k?\]: lee usin]
(;B[]C[bryamatt [11k\]: usually an hour in
XiJinping2 [2k\]: WOW Lee Sedol passes to Alpha Go
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Is this the Hand of God?
geomav [7k\]: Meanwhile this reddit post has tons of links  https://www.reddit.com/r/baduk/comments/49g1bv/alphago_and_lee_sedol_mega_thread/
Tictactoe [-\]: Yes Kim likes to have some moves in first 
])
(;B[qd]C[Deterra [11k?\]: r16
numbaoneee: http://sports.letv.com/match/122345003.html#live/1020160303213534 KE JIE LIVE
Azal [2d\]: thx
rsun [-\]: double 3-4 just as I predicted
cata [2k\]: please make a wonderful game!
eatramen [?\]: I'm here to see lee win with Black!
nostalgia [3d\]: ke jie will never reach to a level like lee sedol
Le0na99 [4k\]: begin
Wizardry [4d\]: lies
bongo [2k\]:  God bless  Sedol
numbaoneee: lee sedol goes for shusaku opening
Winrry [9k?\]: maybe lee is like kejie when he is 18?
TheBear [9k\]: Ke Jie has beaten Lee Sedol a few times now....
Wizardry [4d\]: each new generation exceeds the one before it
Anatoly [2d?\]: Lee is doing amashi go again!
rsun [-\]: Ke : Lee = 8 : 2
claytor [2k?\]: Ke jie is beating sedol 8-2
rockoac [5k\]: go alghago
nostalgia [3d\]: a lot of people beat lee sedol
dehuong [1k\]: hope in the future, we have genius one that can win AI easily
numbaoneee: lee sedol is number 2 in world?
hkterry [3d\]: who funny care
]
;W[dd]C[Winrry [9k?\]: unfortunately kejie is in the social media age
eatramen [?\]: wait, they said Lee's move (78) is 1/10,000?
bongo [2k\]: Kejie is too naive
GodofGo [6d\]: lee is kinda past his prime imo?
Cyphase [?\]: go alpha, go alphago! go alpha, go alphago! go! go! go! go!
Deterra [11k?\]: I think AlphaGo could stand to be faster in the opening.
indogo [5k?\]: hope alphago won't play bad game
nostalgia [3d\]: but not all of them is considered the best
hkterry [3d\]: 8:2 doesnt mean anything at all in front of Alpha
dehuong [1k\]: Go Lee, go Lee, go Lee
Deterra [11k?\]: I hope AlphaGo makes no stupid mistakes, yet still loses.
rockoac [5k\]: secnd that
indogo [5k?\]: ^^
oldguy [4d\]: Alphago is w right?
bongo [2k\]: Go one of Mankind GO!
]
;B[pq]C[wikipwnia [3k\]: offersa cross game!
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Lee Sedol will play too experimentally this match and lose. But he won't regret it
drueknmstr [3d\]: my bet is on alphago
rsun [-\]: lee may shimari next
Kountch [1k\]: Cross game favors White.
firefox04 [2k\]: My very is on machines take over the world! 
rsun [-\]: or mini chinese
firefox04 [2k\]: Bet*
Winrry [9k?\]: the chinese streaming is laggy
chiral [14k?\]: has anyone seen how many cpu/gpus tha alpha go is using for these matches?
numbaoneee: what? double hoshi ?? is w crazy?
]
;W[dp]C[right3ous [?\]: I thought they were done with the 6th match
dehuong [1k\]: Solid territory style of Lee Changho 
]
;B[oc]C[XiJinping2 [2k\]: Hoshi so rude!!
indogo [5k?\]: 1920 cpu it said
Weestro [5k\]: It's got quad-hamster wheel rig for these matches
Deterra [11k?\]: I look forward to seeing AlphaGo.  I have consistently liked AlphaGo's shape.
manifolds [1d\]: mmm territory
Jsnake [?\]: I love this opening
numbaoneee: this is unthinkable
rsun [-\]: Q5 100%
Azal [2d\]: someone with CS?
Tictactoe [-\]: sedol will lose with 2.5 point
gogonuts [4d\]: lol, rsun
MrTortoise [?\]: i was expectign something shusaku like this game guess that was the best i could hope for with w play
kjgfr: q5 r5 r6 
GoIngo [?\]: yes, azal,  but later
drueknmstr [3d\]: my vote is with tictactoe
Kountch [1k\]: R6
numbaoneee: laggg
]
;W[po]C[Deterra [11k?\]: TicTacToe will definitely take this game.
Trevoke [?\]: rsun: wow, clearly you are a magician.
manifolds [1d\]: cash and reduce!
numbaoneee: rsun is expert in bots
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Yesssssss new fuseki for this game
zampa [-\]: link to the stream please?
GoIngo [?\]: rsun for president !
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Let's do this Lee Sedol
eatramen [?\]: this guy with redmond is kind of annoying 
numbaoneee: omg, new fuseki
XiJinping2 [2k\]: I'm rooting for Lee now
GodofGo [6d\]: ke jie says move 78 doesn't work
rsun [-\]: lee r5 80%
dehuong [1k\]: p4 shusaku move
bongo [2k\]: rsun is bot 
TheBear [9k\]: I hope with all my heart that Lee Sedol causes AlphaGo to have a 404 error
geomav [7k\]: 1/10,000 is ridculous comment.... because there's only 361 board spaces
Jsnake [?\]: Why is it everyone always plays q15 against me...
Penfold [4k?\]: Will the live stream show the actal board at least half the time this time?
numbaoneee: p4 is terrible lol
Azal [2d\]: lee goign for terr again..
]
;B[qo]C[eatramen [?\]: tictactoe whose side are you on.......... -______-
edlee [1k\]: Please be respectful of Mr. Chris Garlock and Mr. Michael Redmond.
rsun [-\]: bot q4 would be interesting, but I doubt
arcturus [2k?\]: brilliance does not mean perfection - results are what count
mafutrct [-\]: kgs chat is the new youtube comment section?
Deterra [11k?\]: Chris Garlock is a pretty good commentator.  His analysis is pretty simplistic but he asks questions that lead to good discussions.
Deterra [11k?\]: That's his job, and he does it well.
Azal [2d\]: geomav... 1/10000 sequences..
gogonuts [4d\]: b already squirreling away points again :-)
drueknmstr [3d\]: geomav only if spacs are chosen with equal probability
eatramen [?\]: chris just always cuts of redmond during an explanation
]
;W[qn]C[IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: is it ok to respectfully say that we believe that one or the other commentator is doing a poor job?
Anatoly [2d?\]: Garlock and Redmond are doing great!
dehuong [1k\]: p4 is quite strong because the bot doesn't know the adventage of komi
XiJinping2 [2k\]: 1 in 10000 is right... it's what the google engineers said, lol
kaliya [-\]: Wow Lee is so versatile, going for a territorial game
]
;B[qp]C[santiago [2d\]: 1/10k chance of a human playing that move, according to alphago's policy network
rsun [-\]: now I cannot predict
nostalgia [3d\]: actually i think the comments of Mr. Chris Garlock and Mr. Michael Redmond are almost useless
XiJinping2 [2k\]: 1 in 10,000 *chance* a move would be played.
arcturus [2k?\]: i am so happy double komuku
geomav [7k\]: Oh rightI see
Deterra [11k?\]: Redmond tends to go on and on.  He gets very involved and is passionate, but needs to be reined in sometimes ;)
rsun [-\]: q7 again would be lol
gogonuts [4d\]: Lee Sedol wants to send the paratroopers into AGs moyo again
aham [7k\]: f17
Trevoke [?\]: If you think Chris is annoying, please consider that the questions he asks allow Michael Redmond to give excellent commentary in a very accessible manner. His analysis is deep, yet the variations look simple.
geomav [7k\]: AG didn't investigate move because unlikely
kjgfr: q7 p4
Seibe [?\]: 1/10000 is possible when you consider some moves will take a disproportiante percentage of possibilities
braincrash [?\]: saying someone is doing a poor job is not constructive
Trevoke [?\]: He is doing an excellent.
ruby [2d\]: d10 
geomav [7k\]: but why unlikely? 
XiJinping2 [2k\]: I think Redmond's long speeches are great. And Garlick isn't a bad guy either
rockoac [5k\]: why were the first 4 moves so slowly
agent86kyu [13k\]: Go John Connor!  Destroy Skynet!
Trevoke [?\]: ... Excellent job.
Anatoly [2d?\]: All Lee's moves are on the third line so far!
gooooo [-\]: I wonder if lee will do the 1 space jump and if alpha will peep
aham [7k\]: c14
drueknmstr [3d\]: it means 1/10000 chance, according to the patterns it has been trained on
rockoac [5k\]: *slow*
]
;W[pm]C[Cyphase [?\]: what chance is there that someone will play A1 next? even less than 1/10,000
Blitzbold [2d?\]: paratrooping bot moyos works quite well on the kgs bots...
SirX [5k?\]: that is fast
Eternal6k [4k\]: At least we will know when W is behind
aham [7k\]: iAh! il a trouvé
miai [1d\]: ı heard 1/1000
rsun [-\]: I know alphago too well it seems
miai [1d\]: I
bongo [2k\]: Go Sedol Conner
SirX [5k?\]: hm sedol play o3
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Lee Sedol will save us          http://i.imgur.com/8sJBFIn.png
rsun [-\]: lee thinking if he should p4 again
braincrash [?\]: p4 last time right?
magemax2 [13k\]: also doesn't alphago rates opponent moves ?
]
;B[nq]C[oonicks: it plays teh shape different from last game with i presume the good reason
magemax2 [13k\]: did it consider it a good move?
juhop [1d\]: If alphago would be conscious in a human sense, it would feel very nervous for this game.
rsun [-\]: not p4 again, alpha...
SirX [5k?\]: heeeej i am 9p
Trevoke [?\]: Huh, let's see what W does now
Azal [2d\]: p4 coming?
gogonuts [4d\]: trevoke, he has become endurable
kjgfr: g17
Jsnake [?\]: I wonder if someone from the future is fighting to make sure this game happens. 
Winrry [9k?\]: hmm not p4?
drueknmstr [3d\]: it rates position after opponent moves, which is sort of the same thing
Long [?\]: i think lee sedol found a way to deal with alphago, take cash and reduce
dehuong [1k\]: if B o3 first, it may tenuki
SirX [5k?\]: ratatatata\]tatatatatatouile
sprouts [1d\]: Not here
Julian1d: Redmond's analysis of Sedol's strategy is really good.
numbaoneee: p4
Long [?\]: can't outfight computer
Syptryn [2d\]: Man, lee is going full terriroty
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: im turning off sound until the commentators start looking at the game position
numbaoneee: is the new joseki
drueknmstr [3d\]: yeah redmond a very good commentator
Kountch [1k\]: AlphaGo Joseki at P4
GoIngo [?\]: just for the record: cs (crazy stone) gives 4 % for black here
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: right now they're reviewing the paper on alphago in nature basically
GoIngo [?\]: sorry, 46 %
rsun [-\]: 4% lol
Azal [2d\]: lol
kjgfr: 4% very hard
Syptryn [2d\]: ON the contrary, I think lee wants white to build giant moyo and then attack
TheBear [9k\]: I have nothing wrong with Redmon but if his messy placment is really setting off my OCD
]
;W[qe]C[isbhal [-\]: gj redmond
XiJinping2 [2k\]: lllllllllllll0 are you watching the right video? Redmond is talking about the live game being played
voevius [5k\]: look at the board here mr bear ;-)
jellyroll [4k?\]: I think lee will try  destroying huge moyo again...
numbaoneee: redmond is awesome lol
dehuong [1k\]: the youtube sever is not stable
Julian1d: One can outfight AlphaGo... but...
wikipwnia [3k\]: to see alphago play this move is so impressive
rsun [-\]: alpha knows some latest fashion
longbaby [18k?\]: is this the replay of the first game?
numbaoneee: no
XiJinping2 [2k\]: No
Kito [?\]: i heard that stones are not meant to be placed perfectly orthogonally
Julian1d: Outfighting AlphaGo in the early game is likely to fail.
SirX [5k?\]: t19 seems powerfull... psychical pass move
Jsnake [?\]: P5 right?
gogonuts [4d\]: thats from a ke jie lee sedol innovation
rockoac [5k\]: ???
Azal [2d\]: tenuki and q10
Trevoke [?\]: I join the many people who have requested more English commentary from Michael
]
;B[pe]C[Winrry [9k?\]: ag r15?
Winrry [9k?\]: hm
Meloe [-\]: q15 r14 S16
gogonuts [4d\]: or did ag find that just by itself?
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: redmond's commentary is excellent. google did well to get him to comment for us
magemax2 [13k\]: if you have ocd maybe you noticed the stones in kgs kinda overlap
numbaoneee: gogonuts, r15 is new?
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Yes, llllllll0
rsun [-\]: r15 is not new
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Redmond is really great
Cyphase [?\]: he's a microsoft plant!
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: i wont say anything else about the two commentators since we are told not to be "disrespectful"
rsun [-\]: I will gasp when I see sth new
Le0na99 [4k\]: white is Lee Sedol?
drueknmstr [3d\]: haha cyphase
gogonuts [4d\]: no, b
eatramen [?\]: trevoke, lol
longbaby [18k?\]: kejie's nickname on the net is a go dumb lol
TheBear [9k\]: Ive also noticed how pixilated they are magemax2
gooooo [-\]: I prefer the AGA commentary
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: redmond makes me feel almost like i understand go
Anatoly [2d?\]: Yes, this is the first time I'm watching Redmond's commentary and I love it so much!
adoreme [3d\]: we could start a patreon to pay him make youtube videos ^^
]
;W[qf]C[Julian1d: And the way AlphaGo works, if it can't see a path to victory, even briefly, it could make terrible mistakes.
hugo [1k\]: where to check cs? Link?
]
;B[rd]C[rsun [-\]: q11 is human move
XiJinping2 [2k\]: WOW. Lee Sedol playing so friggin fast
drueknmstr [3d\]: w: tenuki
Deterra [11k?\]: Lee has secured some solid corners.
voevius [5k\]: he can get by on human pattern  recognition ;-)
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: w daring lee to invade right
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: ?
Jsnake [?\]: I love that shape
kjgfr: s11
Gotham88 [4k\]: lee decided to play a differnet style.
Gotham88 [4k\]: get solild points first.
numbaoneee: this style is very kgs oriented
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Lee is playing VERY VERY quickly compared to ALL of his last games
Gotham88 [4k\]: allow white to score "potential points
Trevoke [?\]: Lee Sedol vs. AlphaGo: 5 games, 5 play styles
rockoac [5k\]: can someboy explain r15 
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: youtube commentary back to musak
glasszee [2k\]: b is going for another hail mary invasion
Winrry [9k?\]: quick is goo
gogonuts [4d\]: im already unhappy with b opening again
Winrry [9k?\]: good
longbaby [18k?\]: 2 solid corners
]
;W[pf]C[Azal [2d\]: yep.. i don't like b
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: p15
drueknmstr [3d\]: so much for my tenuki theory
lodestone [4k\]: Is alphago taking longer to move this game?
geomav [7k\]: I think Lee wants AG to build something so big that lee can get inside
Azal [2d\]: q10
gogonuts [4d\]: w will make bids for influence anyways
Trevoke [?\]: Huh, W is ... going for territory on the right side?
Julian1d: Getting into a position where AlphaGo *thinks* it's behind is a really good idea.
jellyroll [4k?\]: q10!
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: lol
oonicks: r5 settles wonderfull really handy if you fear nasty surprises
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: julian1d is so right
gogonuts [4d\]: so being especially territory oriented against it is not a good idea
kjgfr: r13
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: once it thinks it is behind ti will throw the whole game 
mafutrct [-\]: lots of bot experts here, great
hkterry [3d\]: Lee thought it seems Alpha plays better in White and he really wants to win one in Black
leachy [2k\]: well i think maybe he figures the bot has weak appreciation of aji so going for territory and then invading later makes sense
geomav [7k\]: AGA streamer thought so... once it is losing it is hard for AG to see value in moves
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Julian1d - Or engineer a situation to take advantage of AlphaGo's bad time management (it always takes the same amount of time on each move pretty much)
SirX [5k?\]: alpha dont think
TheBear [9k\]: Lee may split 
indogo [5k?\]: rockoac, R15 means that W want to take corner, or something like this, i think
drueknmstr [3d\]: seems alphago doesnt evaluate games incrementally
XiJinping2 [2k\]: I wouldn't split vs a super computer. It can read a fight better than me
ruby [2d\]: josekipedia saying p15 bad
SirX [5k?\]: oh lee will split in half
longbaby [18k?\]: Q10!
DemonStyle [3d?\]: I think AG has proven that it understands aji very well.
Trevoke [?\]: Split as in.. q10 ?
drueknmstr [3d\]: plays suboptimally when it has won game, suboptimally when it has lost game, best when things are even
arcturus [2k?\]: alphago learned from 100,000s of internet games...  our blitz games are a small part of its brain.  no wonder it has a weakness
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: q10 is a bit difficult invasion isnt it
kjgfr: s10 go deep
Azal [2d\]: no
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: it studied KGS games
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: so when its behind it will just sit there and let clock run out
numbaoneee: why alphago is taking so much time
otlichna [?\]: is there an AGA stream tonight?
jellyroll [4k?\]: i like q10 and treat lightly.... tenuki after response
wikipwnia [3k\]: i think split is best
wikipwnia [3k\]: but i' m noob
ruby [2d\]: p10 
Trevoke [?\]: q10 is a reduction if anything
leachy [2k\]: q10 not a splitting move that puts a lot of pressure on either group
Blitzbold [2d?\]: why b sahould play now at the only place where w is strong?
magemax2 [13k\]: not my blitz games
geomav [7k\]: aga yes but later
arcturus [2k?\]: when alpahgo learns kibitz then i will be impressed
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: or lee should just not say gg then it will resign out of feeling offended
Jsnake [?\]: Did Lee's brain trust do another study session with him?
K5 [6k?\]: Well, I suppose most of the games it has trained on were more or less level
XiJinping2 [2k\]: arcturus - Be careful what you wish for. After AlphaGo wins, kibitz will be all humans have left
drueknmstr [3d\]: i think alphago's kibitz would involve a lot of trash talking
SirX [5k?\]: like
Wizardry [4d\]: they had a day off
lodestone [4k\]: Computers will never be better than humans at trolling the EGR.
rsun [-\]: p15 only move?
Mazerin [-\]: q11?
gogonuts [4d\]: not the only move
jellyroll [4k?\]: alphago's only trash talk line is : you will be assimimilated
Trevoke [?\]: What is Lee reading?
geomav [7k\]: Anybody see LS start looking at AG's monitor when it started making goofy moves...
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Did you guys hear what Redmond said? Redmond said pros don't like to try to kill their opponents' stones because it gets too complicated too quickly !!
TheBear [9k\]: Im thinking he will split and turn it into an all or nothing game possibly Lee loves starting big fights for big crowds 
Blitzbold [2d?\]: actually it would be very cool to have an alphago-kibitz-comment version
gogonuts [4d\]: r8 or q10 are options too
Julian1d: AlphaGo v2.0 will have a trolling network....
Trevoke [?\]: I may have missed the link, where is the raw stream?
]
;B[ql]C[cekalo [1k\]: wow
numbaoneee: redmond  the king!!
voevius [5k\]: fight!
XiJinping2 [2k\]: TheBear you are 9.1p now
Azal [2d\]: good good
arcturus [2k?\]: deepdrumpf actually is a neural network twitter .. 
sprouts [1d\]: GG EZ
TheBear [9k\]: Lol
parmenides [3k\]: wow
royu [4d\]: yes! learnt from the other game to not allow q10 :)
longbaby [18k?\]: unbelievable
shinigami [2d?\]: anyone have link for stream?
rsun [-\]: here comes kami no itte by alphago
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Haha royu
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: nice invasion
Trevoke [?\]: https://gaming.youtube.com/watch?v=mzpW10DPHeQ is official stream
SamSpade [2d\]: https://www.youtube.com/embed/mzpW10DPHeQ
drueknmstr [3d\]: lee sedol always fearless
cekalo [1k\]: this looks like a kyu move
MrTortoise [?\]: does anyone know of any more technical analysis than the main stream?
Azal [2d\]: cs update or zen?
Wizardry [4d\]: get him, Lee !
v555777: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzpW10DPHeQ
Trevoke [?\]: I'd like the raw stream where we can, hopefully, see Le's face
ruby [2d\]: p4
BrentoBox [4k\]: Awesome
longbaby [18k?\]: this is a flirting
arcturus [2k?\]: aga stream in 10min?
Julian1d: Against AlphaGo I would not split immediately. ;)
BrentoBox [4k\]: I could look at Lee all day.
XiJinping2 [2k\]: MrTortoise - In one hour there will be another commentary stream by other pros, you can choose at that time between streams
gogonuts [4d\]: I can already see alphago rampaging again
Trevoke [?\]: AGA stream in 40 minutes I believe
MrTortoise [?\]: where is the aga stream? here or igs?
]
;W[oe]C[geomav [7k\]: megathread here https://www.reddit.com/r/baduk/comments/49g1bv/alphago_and_lee_sedol_mega_thread/
gooooo [-\]: YouTube
arcturus [2k?\]: youtube
TheBear [9k\]: oh
MrTortoise [?\]: cheers shuold of thought of reddit thanks
Julian1d: AlphaGo is good at playing lightly.
darkronin [2d?\]: good rampaging or bad rampaging?
aham [7k\]: bien
royu [4d\]: wow, this look slow?
Trevoke [?\]: AGA stream will be: https://gaming.youtube.com/watch?v=YZPKR7HzM_s
SirX [5k?\]: err
longbaby [18k?\]: good move
gogonuts [4d\]: better for alphago
go7734 [4d\]: w followup is o17?
kjgfr: w has sente
royu [4d\]: q8 or q11 here?
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: s6?
MrTortoise [?\]: gotta say i like alphago style this game
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Huh.... this doesn't look good for white im2ko
Trevoke [?\]: This is going to be very interesting
gogonuts [4d\]: this miserly style is not the answer against it
numbaoneee: what the hell, i was thinking lee sedol was white
kjgfr: b must make mass of tenuki
Deterra [11k?\]: Q16?
BongoBob [-\]: also hoping for non-commentary stream link.
Winrry [9k?\]: hmm why youtube streaming like slower than here
XiJinping2 [2k\]: numbaoneee - No, he is asian
leachy [2k\]: can't be slow when b p15 was a good move the move before
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: is youtube commentary way behind the game for eveyrone else too?
aham [7k\]: r11
gogonuts [4d\]: just because lee pulled off this incredible upset in game 4, doesnt mean this is promising
Shinichi56 [-\]: q8 
XiJinping2 [2k\]: llllllllll0 refresh the page
wikipwnia [3k\]: s6
Azal [2d\]: q8 maybe
Seibe [?\]: hit the live button
Azal [2d\]: but q16 is sente for w
Seibe [?\]: with lag it falls behind
Wizardry [4d\]: what about s6 here?
aham [7k\]: q8 bien
numbaoneee: w has nothing , res in move 150
longbaby [18k?\]: wow a big carnival
go7734 [4d\]: lee's incredible upset only game after falling far behind, so unless lee can regularly overturn the game...
ruby [2d\]: o17 seems too good
Azal [2d\]: i don't like s6 
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Hmm Redmond says "There is no immediate problem with either player's stones on the right"
TheBear [9k\]: Black wont care 
voevius [5k\]: can black just move to r11?
royu [4d\]: my guesses are q8 or q11 
Deterra [11k?\]: When the youtube lags, drag the progress bar back to the front and it will reset to live.  This is a bit faster on my browser than hitting the live button.
SirX [5k?\]: can some DDK hack the alphago computer=
Azal [2d\]: cs, zen update ?
zavion [2k\]: alphago think ponuki is 30 points?
longbaby [18k?\]: reymond is right
Blitzbold [2d?\]: s6 looks as if there is no way it can turn sour later... i like s6
weaknoob: r11 too basic
numbaoneee: its like lee sedol is not even nervous anymore
Long [?\]: i think alphago suck at using influences and thickness
Trevoke [?\]: Does anybody have the raw stream from DeepMind, the one without the English commentary?
]
;B[pl]C[voevius [5k\]: weaknoob, so r11 is bad?
Long [?\]: lee sedol overestimate alphago 
UTDEspy [-\]: I would have a lot of trouble answering that Atari
aham [7k\]: cool
SirX [5k?\]: attack the force
Deterra [11k?\]: I'd like that too Trevoke.  I wanna see Lee's face!
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: thanks now commentary up to date after refresh
weaknoob: against alpha ya
Azal [2d\]: oks nice
rsun [-\]: end of fuseki
Kountch [1k\]: It would not be a ponnuki because of R14
TheBear [9k\]: yup white will answer 
ruby [2d\]: p4 
weaknoob: good normal people
Azal [2d\]: q16 
longbaby [18k?\]: capture the white?
leachy [2k\]: now alphago will surely p4
Shinichi56 [-\]: told ya :p
Azal [2d\]: sure.. it's sente
matroid: It is hard to "overestimate" an opponent beat you 3 times in a row
XiJinping2 [2k\]: "I would find this questionable, actually" Redmond on wP15 at this stage
numbaoneee: redmond says p15 is questionable
numbaoneee: waw
royu [4d\]: i truly believe that if lee sedol had played the bots on KGS leading up to this match, he would not have lost all of the first three
dsaun [-\]: redmond https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzpW10DPHeQ
Cyphase [?\]: whoa, i just got deja vu about this position
voevius [5k\]: perhaps 30 moves from now it will make sense.
]
;W[ol]C[kjgfr: lee vs ayabot would be funny
SirX [5k?\]: hmmm if sedol win this game... we should demostrate for at least 4 more games
Blitzbold [2d?\]: yes royu - i think similar
drueknmstr [3d\]: 100 moves from now, alphago has a long horizon
mate105 [1d\]: Double hane is coming.
longbaby [18k?\]: alpha played well
Mazerin [-\]: p15 is for is for L17
drueknmstr [3d\]: like r7 two games ago
asdfa: anyone have crazy stone prediction?
nu [2k\]: lsd is playing more confident ofc, that 4th game continues here in a sense
royu [4d\]: even the bots on KGS demonstrate the same weaknesses that AlphaGo did in game 4
Azal [2d\]: CS??
Julian1d: I am not qualified to evaluate it, but I think AlphaGo's training may be leading it astray here.
voevius [5k\]: druek i don;t think alphago can look ahead with 100 moves ;-)
longbaby [18k?\]: P9?
GoIngo [?\]: crazy stone says 47 % for black here
Tictactoe [-\]: redmond mentions Shuwa
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Thanks Tictactoe, I missed the name
Azal [2d\]: thx goingo
SirX [5k?\]: oh
indogo [5k?\]: what redmond said?
Azal [2d\]: prob. AG feels ahead then
Tictactoe [-\]: all these playersnames can be found in gobase.org
oonicks: this kind of moment i think alphago is somehow aware of the concept of time
weaknoob: Nice to see Lee trying to stop Alpha from a building castle size moyo
drueknmstr [3d\]: voevius we will see :)
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: i feel like black should connect right like s6 and i just a dump 7k?
oonicks: or perhaps complexity form the human viewpoint
Gotham88 [4k\]: s6?
aham [7k\]: p9
Azal [2d\]: s6 is too slow
XiJinping2 [2k\]: AlphaGo is not really aware of time. AlphaGo has not been changed between matches.
ruby [2d\]: p9 only move?
Tictactoe [-\]: amashi
geomav [7k\]: so hane is bending around a stone...Does P4 reply have a name?
SirX [5k?\]: oh
Azal [2d\]: maybe lee thinking of p
Azal [2d\]: p6
sprouts [1d\]: P9
geomav [7k\]: P9*
jellyroll [4k?\]: p9 to press, s6 to be calm
aham [7k\]: p8
oonicks: yes they say that, but a sufficiently intelligent pattern recognition wouild probably anyhow recognise it (i think)
Tictactoe [-\]: amashi probably explained on sensei.xmp.net
numbaoneee: p9
TheBear [9k\]: Lee is thinking evil thoughts he is looking for blood I can feel it 
Trevoke [?\]: "Hi! I am Clippy, your friendly Go-playing assistant. It looks like you are trying to end fuseki early. Would you like some help?"
Wizardry [4d\]: i always think Lee's start is better, maybe its an illusion
Azal [2d\]: p6 bad xd
Mazerin [-\]: Q11
]
;B[om]C[Trevoke [?\]: p7 BAM
Anatoly [2d?\]: is there any stream which shows Lee whole time?
ruby [2d\]: wow
TheBear [9k\]: HA
TheBear [9k\]: Called the blood 
voevius [5k\]: cut where you can cut!
go7734 [4d\]: oh i don't know about this cut
longbaby [18k?\]: FIGHTING!
drueknmstr [3d\]: no fear
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: wow
numbaoneee: now lee sedol cut fast
Winrry [9k?\]: wow figh
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Haha
glasszee [2k\]: this is going to be a game
Azal [2d\]: cut then think 
rsun [-\]: kami no itte coming soon
numbaoneee: omg
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: lee is ready to kick butt today
danielhast [3k\]: "why cut your losses when you can cut everywhere?"
oonicks: so its possible ..
leachy [2k\]: :) game looks good for black to me
drueknmstr [3d\]: couldnt ask for a better defender of the human race
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: lee aint afraid of no computer
royu [4d\]: ke jie called this cut immediately
BongoBob [-\]: I'm also hoping for the non-commentary sedol-face-stream. 
matroid: Lee's strategy: fight early
JohnNothaf [23k\]: there is but it's an "Unlisted" video. Not sure where to find it
Azal [2d\]: nice toyu
suerte [?\]: at least it will be interesting
XiJinping2 [2k\]: leachy - Q8 black stones are about to feel the pressure
jellyroll [4k?\]: fight fight fight, bite bite bite
Wizardry [4d\]: can u link for us royu
voevius [5k\]: fight early, fight often.
]
;W[ok]C[gogonuts [4d\]: galock called it after alphago played it, putting redmond on the spot :-)
leachy [2k\]: of course b has s6
gogonuts [4d\]: garlock
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Garlick*
drueknmstr [3d\]: sac
royu [4d\]: http://sports.letv.com/match/122345003.html
SirX [5k?\]: s6 now hm
Azal [2d\]: o7
ruby [2d\]: o7 
aham [7k\]: s11
Azal [2d\]: q10 
go7734 [4d\]: s6 would be no good too low
Winrry [9k?\]: commendor predicted well
bongo [2k\]: Lee brought hammer to brake computer
Glasgow [?\]: exactly as KeJIe just said
longbaby [18k?\]: P5?
Wizardry [4d\]: ah
leachy [2k\]: yes now s6 might be bad but r8 not under too much pressure because of that
leachy [2k\]: too many kibitzers
XiJinping2 [2k\]: What language is ke jie commenting in? Chinese?
Jsnake [?\]: I'm having a hard time with the board numbers as I'm watching this on YouTube as well...
iceweasel [-\]: what if p9 at p4?
eatramen [?\]: http://www.douyutv.com/533882 gu li
numbaoneee: man, ke jie plays 50 sequences in 1second
rsun [-\]: ke jie only speaks chinese
drueknmstr [3d\]: o7 not pro style i think
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Thanks rsun
TheBear [9k\]: Lee will of course be running a super magnet all over Googles computers after this game is over with
SirX [5k?\]: kill
longbaby [18k?\]: ke jie speaks Martian
]
;B[nm]C[aham [7k\]: p6
royu [4d\]: ke jie is like sarah connor 
v555777: stream which shows Lee whole time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-94WvM937sY
eatramen [?\]: lol
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Sarah Connor http://i.imgur.com/8sJBFIn.png
numbaoneee: v555777 t
Shinichi56 [-\]: r10 s6 
XiJinping2 [2k\]: v555777 - Thank you!
cata [2k\]: i have a good feeling about this, i think lee got his confidence back
BongoBob [-\]: thank you
numbaoneee: v555777 omg nice thx
longbaby [18k?\]: r9?
aham [7k\]: d14
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Same, cata
]
;W[qj]C[UTDEspy [-\]: Wow
TheBear [9k\]: Yup 
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: lee is in fighting mood nice
rsun [-\]: f3
UTDEspy [-\]: Redmond is doing a Great job predicting moves he doesn't think will happen
longbaby [18k?\]: s6
Azal [2d\]: ok s6 
kjgfr: tenuki
weaknoob: looking good
Gotham88 [4k\]: ke jie stronger or lee stronger?
indogo [5k?\]: AG wants to build boyo again
TheBear [9k\]: whites backing down blacks happy 
Azal [2d\]: q16 not so interesing for w now...
Gotham88 [4k\]: ke jie won lee right?
go7734 [4d\]: ke jie stronger
indogo [5k?\]: *moyo
bongo [2k\]: royu, hehe but serah conner is better looking
Azal [2d\]: i guess is good for b now
go7734 [4d\]: w will not q16, w will o17
jellyroll [4k?\]: moyo smaller than b's cash... I like Lee here...
royu [4d\]: UTDEspy, i can predict which moves won't happen with high accuracy too
Gotham88 [4k\]: so, world ranking is ke jie number 1? lee number 2?
js13 [1k\]: yay, big match
mtarn567 [6k\]: that moves threaten s6
aham [7k\]: p16?
Azal [2d\]: mm i see o17
aham [7k\]: q16
UTDEspy [-\]: royu: I mean "This is a possible move but I doubt it will happen" and then they play the move
Deterra [11k?\]: When will b S6 be necessary?
drueknmstr [3d\]: http://www.goratings.org/
royu [4d\]: i know, i was just joking :)
Azal [2d\]: Cs update ?
Deterra [11k?\]: Now i guess
]
;B[rn]C[Deterra [11k?\]: haha
voevius [5k\]: redmond says now would not be bad
mtarn567 [6k\]: w plans to surround b
kaliya [-\]: Is this a joseki?
geomav [7k\]: now
Winrry [9k?\]: calling the move successfulyy
Gotham88 [4k\]: ..
TheBear [9k\]: its pretty obvious but white will probably tenuki
Winrry [9k?\]: successfully
hkterry [3d\]: succulent s6
drueknmstr [3d\]: alphago #4 on that list
js13 [1k\]: whos white? alphagi?
Gotham88 [4k\]: this isn't the alphago we know
js13 [1k\]: alphago*
Trevoke [?\]: TTT - what stream are you on? I'm supposedly live and just got this move
eatramen [?\]: AlphaGo will play Q16
Blitzbold [2d?\]: up to this point i like b... what does crazystone say?
UTDEspy [-\]: I'm with Redmond, this feels just... abnormally good for Black, I'm really surprised this line happened
voevius [5k\]: is this good exchange for black?
kaliya [-\]: Alpha is White
gogonuts [4d\]: "i wasn't expecting to call the moves so successfully" - I will remember that phrase for future use :-)
geomav [7k\]: Would a pro really give up all that in an opening???
Azal [2d\]: someone with CS?
kjgfr: looks good for w
Tictactoe [-\]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzpW10DPHeQ
Julian1d: This game feels like a very good start for B.
js13 [1k\]: thx kaliya
Gotham88 [4k\]: it's huge for b
GoIngo [?\]: cs not happy with s6
njs [1d\]: l
dddwyp [19k\]: black P5
Gotham88 [4k\]: i think lee will win
highhand [5k\]: do these moves look like pro competition? More like bot competition, no?
GoIngo [?\]: sees black at 44 % now
BongoBob [-\]: Trevoke, you may try refreshing your browser... my stream does tend to zip backwards a bit some time.
]
;W[gq]C[TheBear [9k\]: called it
Jsnake [?\]: Too bad this is the last game. I've had a lot of fun watching these games.. Late at night... 
aham [7k\]: c6
Trevoke [?\]: Wow, that's fascinating, yeah
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Hmmmm
nu [2k\]: how accurate is cs evaluation
Azal [2d\]: c14 seems big
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Surprising Alpha Go tenukis now. Must be really smart or really dumb :)
longbaby [18k?\]: not bad for b
voevius [5k\]: not very good, since it is not as strong as lee / alphago
rsun [-\]: 74.5% accurate
matroid: that crazy move again
Wizardry [4d\]: alphago likes this 3 space jump
longbaby [18k?\]: d10
Winrry [9k?\]: i tgt g3 kinda move usually not good?
indogo [5k?\]:  when we can see alphago again after this
XiJinping2 [2k\]: White's right side is a bit ugly
DemonStyle [3d?\]: Tenuki is required. The only way this is okay for W is if ittakes sente
aham [7k\]: c14
GoIngo [?\]: cs not accurate, but the best bot info we have
oonicks: its behind
sprouts [1d\]: Good answer rsun
Julian1d: I hope Google makes AlphaGo available online. ;)
kaliya [-\]: Alpha keeps going with large knights
K5 [6k?\]: I would not call that complete tenuki - is batural response to erase the new B strength
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Julian1d - I hope so, too
UTDEspy [-\]: Alphago doesn't like jumps with a 'point of symmetry' 
highhand [5k\]: b n9 interesting?
nu [2k\]: is cs something u can buy
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: third revolution of the opening - make many large knight moves
royu [4d\]: ke jie says after g3, he thinks w doesn't look promising 
UTDEspy [-\]: They're almost always an even number of spaces between the two stones
Azal [2d\]: thx royu 
]
;B[cf]C[Deterra [11k?\]: UTDEspy: really?  Why might that be?
Blitzbold [2d?\]: g3 looks natural against lower right thickness
Julian1d: It would help them get a lot more data for it. ;)
Azal [2d\]: my move :D
drueknmstr [3d\]: suprising alphago behind so fast, usually winning in the opening
Gotham88 [4k\]: b leading?
TheBear [9k\]: Will pencer 
aham [7k\]: alphago in trouble
go7734 [4d\]: i don't know that b is leading
Gotham88 [4k\]: probably because lee is no longer afraid of alphago
eatramen [?\]: Lee iselevated 
Blitzbold [2d?\]: nobody in trouble
gogonuts [4d\]: no, no - lee outfoxed in the opening again
dddwyp [19k\]: GOOD!! GOOD!!
UTDEspy [-\]: From a bot perspective I'm not sure. It makes it harder to find an easy invasion point but I wouldn't expect the pro level to be so bothered
XiJinping2 [2k\]: White stones on right are perfectly safe, not really able to be threatened. And white doing fine elsewhere
aham [7k\]: he's fascinating by q7
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: if alphago thinks its winning % is 49% then it will start making absurd moves
UTDEspy [-\]: It's generally easiest to start reading at that center-point cut
geomav [7k\]: AG's q7 moves...mostly wasted right???
XiJinping2 [2k\]: So probably hard to say who is ahead at this point
]
;W[fc]C[kaliya [-\]: Alpha will probably pincer?
dehuong [1k\]: now B leading
aham [7k\]: k4
Jsnake [?\]: I wonder if playing a lot of weak players would actually hurt alpha go's fast progress?
glasszee [2k\]: d10 
XiJinping2 [2k\]: geomav - No, because those three dead white stones allowed white to play P9 and R10
MrChips [1k\]: gogonuts, how can you tell he's behind in the opening?
Winrry [9k?\]: i like the way they explain basic terms
bongo [2k\]: i wanna here what Guli says about these move
geomav [7k\]: thanks
Trevoke [?\]: 36k people on the live stream
Jumadan [?\]: is c3 sequence sente for black?
Badduck [2d?\]: I like w play right side somehow - very nice and fast
Nogarod [5k\]: C6 after resolving top left corner
XiJinping2 [2k\]: geomav - Usually three stones is more than you normally sacrifice in these kind of moves though, so it looks unusual
hio: Jsnake> alphabot is able to play games and not learn from them ^^
K5 [6k?\]: q7 stones will also be used as big ko aji
Trevoke [?\]: Loo is thinking, looking around, sitting up straight.. He just moved something.
gogonuts [4d\]: f17 - already nurturing a lead ...
royu [4d\]: they are saying AlphaGo got 4th world ranking after last 3 wins vs. Lee Sedol
Trevoke [?\]: And that was meant to be Lee, not Loo.
royu [4d\]: and KeJie said he thinks the world rankings are not very accurate
aham [7k\]: k16
kjgfr: lol
Nogarod [5k\]: Everyone loves Ke Jie
GoRoGoRo [7k?\]: where is the video without comments?
royu [4d\]: or, not reliable to be more precise
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: barbed wire?
Long [?\]: i think the way to win alphago is to play solid, not competitive style 
Winrry [9k?\]: piles of rocks... barb wires... lol
Nogarod [5k\]: They like the kid
jellyroll [4k?\]: I want to play drunken go w/ michael redmond...   that would be hilarious.
oonicks: f17 is good enough that lee need to reply well
kjgfr: ke jie vs alhpago next
Jumadan [?\]: is c3 sente for black?
Nogarod [5k\]: Ditto jellyroll
highhand [5k\]: KeJie analysis available after game finishes?
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Redmond would destroy you drunk
Deterra [11k?\]: I wanna see Redmond play AlphaGo
kjgfr: would be great to see alpha crush him
jellyroll [4k?\]: no doubt!
Trevoke [?\]: TTT - b16 
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: i want to see a team of pros play alpha go
Winrry [9k?\]: i cant watch two commentaries together
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Same, Deterra, after we've gotten to know him over the last 20 hours of commentary :)
]
;B[bd]C[IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: 1 leader plus some helpers to analyze for the leader etc. suggest moves
Nogarod [5k\]: I also want pros to team up on alphago
ruby [2d\]: c13 
geomav [7k\]: What's the stone difference from 1d pro to 9d pro???
Deterra [11k?\]: Absolutely XiJinping2
storn [2k\]: Hi everyone! Colors?
Winrry [9k?\]: ooo japanese joseki
Deterra [11k?\]: Lee is b
storn [2k\]: Thanks
voevius [5k\]: alpha go for sure has raised interest in the game of go.
gogonuts [4d\]: geomav, less than 2
oonicks: simplifying another corner
geomav [7k\]: okk thanks
go7734 [4d\]: c17 is super unlikely
Tictactoe [-\]: barbed wire is mostly seen around patches of land for cattle
voevius [5k\]: which is fantastic, hopefully we get to discover many  new ways of playing.
drueknmstr [3d\]: rule of thumb i heard is 1/3rd stone per 1p
hkterry [3d\]: o17 is shining
geomav [7k\]: And how about 1d pro to kgs 5d???
]
;W[ch]C[dddwyp [19k\]: L3
go7734 [4d\]: c12 is expected
gogonuts [4d\]: and nowadays,the new pros are often frighteningly strong
rsun [-\]: pincer like pork mincer
TheBear [9k\]: This is going to be interesting 
matroid: black takes 3 corners
storn [2k\]: Geomav, 8d at least
rsun [-\]: territory vs moyo
Long [?\]: lee is using the same amashi strategy
robsclone: hmm what do we think b's plan is for the center? AG was very center-minded in the first few games
geomav [7k\]: ok thanks...
TheBear [9k\]: If he gets the last one who resigns?
go7734 [4d\]: alpha go never had a chance to play c12 @ redmond xD
longbaby [18k?\]: e15!
matroid: lesson learned from last game: AlphaGo goes crazy when it is behind
go7734 [4d\]: this is alpha's first chance against lee sedol where lee played the slide
Long [?\]: erasing alphago is easier than outfight her
Winrry [9k?\]: c13?
Julian1d: AlphaGo has read the pincer deeply and deems it weak. ;)
Winrry [9k?\]: korean innovation
oonicks: i think e14 off
matroid: perhaps Lee wants to extend an early lead to force an error
royu [4d\]: ke jie saying the typical line here of c17 c15 b15 d14 d13 seems good for B because the ladder favors B
Blitzbold [2d?\]: erasing mc-bots much easier than overpower them
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Julian1d - Maybe or maybe not
go7734 [4d\]: w will not mind playing the line with extension instead of ladder
Julian1d: I like this move.
longbaby [18k?\]: place (3,3)
leachy [2k\]: maybe the b c17 d14 variation will be played
go7734 [4d\]: sometimes pro played extension even when ladder was fine
kjgfr: f18
Iniesta [2k\]: b win 20k per loss
cekalo [1k\]: alpha should give Lee handi
dehuong [1k\]: o3 and c14 ladder for B
Deterra [11k?\]: w C12 was nicely situated across from the strength on the right side of the board.
Blitzbold [2d?\]: btw: hi badduck
aham [7k\]: c16
dehuong [1k\]: W c11 is ok but it is not perfect 
Iniesta [2k\]: p15 looks slow
Badduck [2d?\]: hi blitzbold
Julian1d: I think if Lee practiced playing against this version of AlphaGo, Lee would start winning a lot. On the other hand, the same could be said of AlphaGo. ;)
aham [7k\]: C6
robsclone: where's ke jie broadcasting? don't see it on the channel yet
voevius [5k\]: LSD in some kind of trance :-)
royu [4d\]: ke jie predicts c17... thinks d12 doesn't lead to a good position for B
sarahlee [1d?\]: agree julian1dan
Trevoke [?\]: I wonder what Lee is reading now
gogonuts [4d\]: http://sports.letv.com/match/122345003.html#live/1020160303213534
]
;B[dh]C[oonicks: e 5? no b4? no... f14 then? that would be miraculously strong
Trevoke [?\]: Oh, a massive fight, what a surprise
Azal [2d\]: lol
highhand [5k\]: d12 not joseki?
go7734 [4d\]: lee deviated from expected 
robsclone: there it is - thank you!
bruh [4d\]: d12 is joseki
Pou7 [2d\]: thx for the link, gogonuts
kjgfr: lee is kyu
Miracle8k [2k?\]: its joseki
TheBear [9k\]: Yup absolutely natural for Lee sedol
Blitzbold [2d?\]: c17 kind of normal, but maybe b doesnt like w getting thick in center?
kjgfr: attach on top
bruh [4d\]: d12 d11 d13 -> C17 and C11 are miai
geomav [7k\]: It would be really interesting if we find out humans can play go "perfectly" and always have a shot at the bots...
go7734 [4d\]: normally we expect c17 c15 b15 d14 d13 c13 b14 e14, but b didn't like it
Julian1d: This looks like a sort of fight that might help W.
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Lee is trying to take advantage of AlphaGo's time management? AlphaGo won't think more deeply on moves that it should think more deeply on.
Deterra [11k?\]: w C13 next?
killAI9d: nice
dehuong [1k\]: wow
numbaoneee: ke jie did d11 d13 c10 c17 j17 
]
;W[di]
;B[dg]C[Julian1d: (I sortof want W to catch up. ;)
Badduck [2d?\]: d12 seems antibotmove
robsclone: hmm
go7734 [4d\]: w isn't really behind yet
aham [7k\]: c17
robsclone: ohhh was that it
dehuong [1k\]: B wants to couter attack
dehuong [1k\]: *counter
Azal [2d\]: don't like c11 for b later
]
;W[cc]C[robsclone: do you think he's already playing antibot-thoughts?  i guess after four games he could definitely be picking up on weaknesses
royu [4d\]: ke jie doesn't like this position of c10 c17 because of c13 d14 b14 follow up
twoody [3k\]:  D12 clarification
TheBear [9k\]: Hmm I dont want to but I slightly favor whites position right now 
royu [4d\]: oh, alpha did something different
Blitzbold [2d?\]: idk... d12 might lead into these very "vague" fighting where its difficult to tell where the focus lies... thats mc-bots strngth...
aham [7k\]: c11
darkronin [2d?\]: i read that as 'antibiot'-thoughts :-)
njs [1d\]: e11
njs [1d\]: nvm
go7734 [4d\]: b has to cut
]
;B[ci]C[oonicks: b can invade the last corner:)
jellyroll [4k?\]: doesn't b cut lead to large moyo again for w?
Iniesta [2k\]: ke jie prefers b
rsun [-\]: forget your surmise, bot is full of surprise
mtarn567 [6k\]: oh my
MrChips [1k\]: i like this for black
aham [7k\]: d10
Wizardry [4d\]: alphago about to self-destruct
aham [7k\]: c10
MrChips [1k\]: hopefully this ends in sente
weaknoob: Cut Alpha up and while finding less likely played moves when possible
]
;W[cj]C[go7734 [4d\]: this is sente end for w
]
;B[bi]C[mtarn567 [6k\]: c10 b11 d10 and w don't need to play
aham [7k\]: b10
pipu [5d\]: royu - what did ke jie think of the result on the right? looks ok for b to me...
Capa21 [11k\]: Does anyone know if AlphaGo considers sente? 
Azal [2d\]: cs update ?
go7734 [4d\]: d10 is likely
MrChips [1k\]: it must
TheBear [9k\]: It should
Syptryn [2d\]: I likle black
Deterra [11k?\]: it must
BongoBob [-\]: seems to consider sente fairly well.
GoIngo [?\]: cs believes 42 % for black here
Azal [2d\]: =)
Azal [2d\]: =(
MrChips [1k\]: can't be a decent player without considering that
Buddy514 [5k?\]: they said that it considers sente iirc
highhand [5k\]: why computer so slow, after b b11 should play next move without thinking
Julian1d: AlphaGo doesn't "know" anything of sente but the algorithm will naturally prefer sente moves where appropriate.
]
;W[dj]C[mtarn567 [6k\]: b will still need to b12 so w can tennuki elsewhere
geomav [7k\]: cs is saying black is losing?
Buddy514 [5k?\]: that was one of the problems in earlier versions against Fan Hui.
highhand [5k\]: wasted time on things it should not have?
Prestige [1d?\]: Lee Sedol please win
sarahlee [1d?\]: it is extrenly freaky when i think this alphgo is actually 1202 cpu connected system and lee is playing with this, kinda scarly movie seen
Jsnake [?\]: Could sente just be a by product of following the win percentages? Meaning it wasn't inherently programmed in?
Julian1d: Right.
go7734 [4d\]: we can use tewari to show that this is pretty decent for w
aham [7k\]: c6
geomav [7k\]: jsake i think so
oonicks: it unsented
voevius [5k\]: it must be
GoIngo [?\]: cs does not say "losing" it only says that it personally thinks that white is up
bruh [4d\]: ResidentSleeper opening
Long [?\]: it is actually 1920 cpu
TheBear [9k\]: AlphaGo is 1902 cpus currently 
njs [1d\]: b12
LinuxGooo [7k\]: g'd morning Europe :-) 
MrChips [1k\]: i think it has very few strict rules regarding the actual techniques of the game programmed in
twoody [3k\]: Someone tell Redmond about c3
MrChips [1k\]: kind of like us humans :)
go7734 [4d\]: after normal c17 instead of c12 joseki w played d11 d12 c12 d13 c10 b11 d10 and it looks like w got an advantage to me
highhand [5k\]: when b has sente maybe should go for g5 (if that area like it is now, so there is no centre moyo
longbaby [18k?\]: b9
DrSFBrains [1k\]: B10-B9-B12
]
;B[bh]C[Trevoke [?\]: Garlock is straight-up getting a lesson from Redmond, it's awesome
blau3: LinuxGooo: thx, 5:50 AM here
Blitzbold [2d?\]: GoIngo: what wants cs to play now or w?
c137 [2k\]: This game is a lot easier for Redmond to comment compared to the last few
Trevoke [?\]: Granted, he's keeping the answers very simple, but it's fun
Prestige [1d?\]: i might play c5
]
;W[ml]C[c137 [2k\]: where's he had to diplomatically avoid picking a side
rsun [-\]: I knew alpha won't do L4
Badduck [2d?\]: n8 wow
GoIngo [?\]: cs wanted n8
gogonuts [4d\]: lol, rsun
aham [7k\]: c6
thepizza [9k?\]: is this really a bot
go7734 [4d\]: general rule never push first unless you want to cut right away
TheBear [9k\]: O15 is kind of fun looking 
Long [?\]: alphago really like the center, but korean pro usually good at erasing center
highhand [5k\]: with this I do k4 as b
pipu [5d\]: this move looks nice
Trevoke [?\]: Has anybody joined this game yet who's got the unlisted DeepMind stream link?
Vehix [10k\]: bd7?
sarahlee [1d?\]: i think they shld make movie based on this experiment, kinda sci fi horror movie....
Tictactoe [-\]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzpW10DPHeQ
Long [?\]: lee sedol messed up the last 3 games becaduse he fights
danielhast [3k\]: very nice timing with n8
mtarn567 [6k\]: w is playing a bit like honinbo takagawa 
geomav [7k\]: scroll up
Long [?\]: don't fight with 1920cpu bot@@!!!
Prestige [1d?\]: H17 maybe?
dinocc [6k?\]: I'm sry Lee sedol w or b ?
voevius [5k\]: b
danielhast [3k\]: two possible moyos for W, and it looks hard to reduce/invade one without building the other
Slug [1k\]: is andrew not streaming this one?
Trevoke [?\]: geomav: there was a korean link but it went to commercial
BongoBob [-\]: Trevoke, no, but there is a live stream of TVBaduk with a full time stream of sedol's face.
Miracle8k [2k?\]: b
]
;B[mm]C[Trevoke [?\]: AGA stream will begin in 10 minutes
rsun [-\]: tip: the player with more 2nd line stones is human
chansiukit [1k\]: alpha go have no territories
glasszee [2k\]: will there be Andrew Jackson stream today?
awong: yes
BongoBob [-\]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-94WvM937sY  if you want a full stream of lee sedol
Anatoly [2d?\]: can we have a link to live stream of TVBaduk with a full time stream of sedol's face.
rsun [-\]: alpha has 0 2nd line stones; Lee has 5
Le0na99 [4k\]:  c ccc c  cccv c.      
Trevoke [?\]: Thanks
aham [7k\]: n9
Blitzbold [2d?\]: ... so lee is ahead 5_0
geomav [7k\]: vowel analysis now... whay?
Anatoly [2d?\]: thanks!
lofuchi [3k\]: but w has quite a few dead stones
rsun [-\]: for every 2nd line stone the winrate drops by 1%
royu [4d\]: they're saying n8 order is a bit weird right now... and seems like playing l4 or o17 area first makes more sense
Julian1d: Interesting, re: 2nd line stones. :)
Prestige [1d?\]: m7
darkronin [2d?\]: feel the power of the bot :(
royu [4d\]: so there's playing some sequences where w turns at m7 
Trevoke [?\]: Hane
jellyroll [4k?\]: B need be careful of potential fW moyo around M12....   W very good at making huge framework!
royu [4d\]: because they think w might make a big framework from m7, facing left
Prestige [1d?\]: Tictactoe m7 pls
Trevoke [?\]: TTT - m7 
v555777: stream which shows Lee whole time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-94WvM937sY
]
;W[lm]C[aham [7k\]: c6
Prestige [1d?\]: trible t
longbaby [18k?\]: m8
Cyphase [?\]: lee is doing better on time this game
glasszee [2k\]: maybe top side stone before cut?
Blitzbold [2d?\]: werent tribbles these fluffy startrek pets
cekalo [1k\]: alpha is building a nice moyo in the center
MrTortoise [?\]: hes doing better but the positions are a lot simpler
lofuchi [3k\]: this looks huge
rsun [-\]: what movie is that taken from?
mtarn567 [6k\]: w to play m9 next? 
Wizardry [4d\]: d13 is strong to the center though
rsun [-\]: on letv
Kaidjin [?\]: The go move guess application is back online! Can you guess the next move ? http://gomoveguesser.ab0.fr
royu [4d\]: they played out a sequence of m6 l6 continuation and think Alpha will make moyo towards left of it
Prestige [1d?\]: alpha go is really gd at building moyo
rsun [-\]: this one
highhand [5k\]: amazing the dead q7 stone still causing problems
rsun [-\]: what movie did they just show?
Lilou [1d\]: lee gonna take cash, then troll one move and avoid center w
v555777: stream which shows Lee whole time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-94WvM937sY
Miracle8k [2k?\]: i don't think m8 is good for b
aham [7k\]: k10
geomav [7k\]: P12 (Im a noob)
lofuchi [3k\]: b can't just simply M6, right?
gogonuts [4d\]: best description of game 4 from gogameguru
Blitzbold [2d?\]: p12 u might find in wikipedia when u search for "overplay"
Azal [2d\]: c3 or c4 possible in sente ?
Ray [9k?\]: you know lee makes $500,000 every second 
DemonStyle [3d?\]: M6 seems a little passive. Maybe cut
gogonuts [4d\]: lee pulled a rabbit out of the hat - without a hat
lofuchi [3k\]: cut looks dangerous :P
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: so first where did he pull the hat out of
lofuchi [3k\]: i would play M6 and that's why i am 3k
DemonStyle [3d?\]: Different strategy. I can't say which is better
weaknoob: those three stone tossed to get two extra stones on top looks much better than before they went to the left side
highhand [5k\]: n5
lofuchi [3k\]: even though i also agree m6 is passive
sarahlee [1d?\]: ray, don't be stupid
Sweetrip [9d\]: black is in trouble
lofuchi [3k\]: and g3 is there so it worths little
Miracle8k [2k?\]: cut there may help w to get moyo i guess
DemonStyle [3d?\]: I feel like I'd rather tenuki than hane at M6, but what do I know
DemonStyle [3d?\]: ?
bryamatt [11k\]: looks to me like white really wants to save those stones
lofuchi [3k\]: i still can't resist playing moves like m6
Prestige [1d?\]: D7 lol
numbaoneee: rsun, i think its i robot from 2004
rsun [-\]: thx!
gogonuts [4d\]: w using his trash stones
bryamatt [11k\]: run them out like game 2
Trevoke [?\]: I think the move guesser might have a bug
Trevoke [?\]: it doesn't seem to be registering my clicks
sarahlee [1d?\]: lee makes 30, per game000
Wizardry [4d\]: 500k every second? i'm pretty sure he would be living on an island with 100 women
BongoBob [-\]: brya, w doesn't need to save the three stones, just use them to his advantage to gain a position
sarahlee [1d?\]: 30.000***
stokastick [8k?\]: he is married
Badduck [2d?\]: maybe b o5
Tictactoe [-\]: sedol takes his time to read
]
;B[nl]C[Trevoke [?\]: Oh nm, I think it works now
Prestige [1d?\]: wow
Julian1d: What Redmond is saying right now may cease to be true very quickly from this point in time.
glasszee [2k\]: isn'tbhe worried about a liberty shortage?
Syptryn [2d\]: eh?
DrSFBrains [1k\]: wow is right
lofuchi [3k\]: holy
bryamatt [11k\]: doesnt need to... but who knows how the computer thinks. just seems like he aimed quite a bit at them
go7734 [4d\]: eh!?!?!
Crono9987 [3d\]: so after this push...
Azal [2d\]: o.O
Crono9987 [3d\]: does that mean b is gonna do M8, M6?
Wizardry [4d\]: is there a link to redmond?
lofuchi [3k\]: this usually looks bad, am i right?
]
;W[nk]C[kor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzpW10DPHeQ
Miracle8k [2k?\]: same here
go7734 [4d\]: b wants to m6 next move then
leachy [2k\]: right, lofuchi
kadoban [?\]: black aiming at n9 I guess?
Wizardry [4d\]: thx
BongoBob [-\]: b gonna cut right into the middle
twoody [3k\]: Not yet, Julian. We now have the ability to answer hard questions. But most importantly, we needed to know what the question is. 
]
;B[ln]C[Blitzbold [2d?\]: this move looks a little vulgar - i like it ^^
kadoban [?\]: Oh, hane ... hmm
go7734 [4d\]: the reasoning here is so w can't l6 now
weaknoob: he trying to figure out Alph's plan with that move?
MrChips [1k\]: woah
lofuchi [3k\]: i see, so after this exchange it looks more reasonable
go7734 [4d\]: that is why black pushes first
go7734 [4d\]: but it still seems bad
lofuchi [3k\]: interesting
goalie [13k\]: l6
goalie [13k\]: 100% sure
kadoban [?\]: I did not expect that at all. Is he going for all cash again?
highhand [5k\]: not understand o8 push
Ahamay [7d?\]: is there a Ke Jie stream again?
longbaby [18k?\]: m9
]
;W[ll]C[alhwong [?\]: m8 ?
Lilou [1d\]: shape better 
]
;B[kn]C[go7734 [4d\]: o8 push prevents w l6 answer to m6
lofuchi [3k\]: yes
Long [?\]: lee is going to solid territory, giving white center, then erase, korean pros are good at erasing center
glasszee [2k\]: almost seems like aji keshi
longbaby [18k?\]: l6 so quick
lofuchi [3k\]: i also notice it now
numbaoneee: o1?
lofuchi [3k\]: can't hane at L6
numbaoneee: o17*?
Badduck [2d?\]: hmm this looks ok for b
Azal [2d\]: L6 seems big
leachy [2k\]: game looks really good for black
LeeSedol01: [9p\]: I will win this game
kdbaby14 [6k\]: is the guy who placing stone for alphaGo korean?
eatramen [?\]: http://sports.letv.com/match/122341003.html#record/24831123 ke jie
dehuong [1k\]: who is place stone for AL?
longbaby [18k?\]: k10
Iniesta [2k\]: when kim starts his stream ?
]
;W[mn]C[dehuong [1k\]: is pro-er?
gogonuts [4d\]: the slightly perverse o8 is the first b move i like :-)
Long [?\]: lee definitely going to win this
voevius [5k\]: yeah pretty big
goalie [13k\]: [9p\]: me too :v
gogonuts [4d\]: because L6 is very nice to have
highhand [5k\]: b r7
sprouts [1d\]: n6
LeeSedol01: [9p\]: I am going to kill alpha go
aham [7k\]: p5
lofuchi [3k\]: lol
stokastick [8k?\]: who's talking ?
Ahamay [7d?\]: thx eatramen
rsun [-\]: smoke, alpha wants to bump seal at k6
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: lee youre not supposed to have computer at match
go7734 [4d\]: l6 cut is very nice though
lofuchi [3k\]: i was stunned for a sec
go7734 [4d\]: n6*
sprouts [1d\]: *n5
lofuchi [3k\]: :P
indogo [5k?\]: leesedol01 your nick LOL
highhand [5k\]: change to b n5
Long [?\]: alphago fancy center move aren't going to work against lee sedol anymore
drueknmstr [3d\]: lee if i give you a hint and you play it are they going to accuse you of cheating?
gogonuts [4d\]: cool w m6 though ...
dehuong [1k\]: n6 seem very complicated
bruh [4d\]: n6 is looking at s7
geomav [7k\]: the operator Aja Huang is part of deepmind http://international.thenewslens.com/post/297356/
djo666 [3k\]: O55
drueknmstr [3d\]: dont worry ill keep my mouth shut i dont want to get you in trouble
GoIngo [?\]: aja huang was computer go world champion back in 2010
aham [7k\]: p6
dehuong [1k\]: Lee is getting in trouble
GoIngo [?\]: with his bot "Erice"
rsun [-\]: erica
v555777: stream which shows Lee whole time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-94WvM937sY
longbaby [18k?\]: w is wasting ko materials
GoIngo [?\]: yes, erica
kadoban [?\]: AGA doing a commentary for this one, anyone know?
DrSFBrains [1k\]: O5?
sarahlee [1d?\]: what does n6 mean?
goalie [13k\]: N6 = cut Saralee
Trevoke [?\]: Am I the only one who thinks this style is ... Different from the first three and a half games?
profan [-\]: is n6 hand of bot? ^^
danielhast [3k\]: Redmond explaining n6 right now
stokastick [8k?\]: it seems to mean white want to take right side
juhop [1d\]: I hope alpha can read the 2-stone edge squeeze variation...
Kaidjin [?\]: Can you guess the next move ? The current record on game 3 is of about 40 points ! http://gomoveguesser.ab0.fr
sarahlee [1d?\]: oh, i see goalie u r genius!!
go7734 [4d\]: even in 2 stone edge squeeze, w made prfit
]
;B[mo]C[lodestone [4k\]: When does the AGA commentary begin?
Crono9987 [3d\]: with the squeeze white gets forcing moves at S9 area
longbaby [18k?\]: still thinking?
longbaby [18k?\]: seems alpha thinks from the start every time
weaknoob: Myungwan is grabbing a capri sun real quick
go7734 [4d\]: b really lost  a lot of territory for l6
highhand [5k\]: ha, I am right, guess enough times the pro will play my move
mmmm12: s8
numbaoneee: bot crashed?
hio: michael redmond finds all moves today
Azal [2d\]: mmmmmm
Badduck [2d?\]: and now botladder?
mmmm12: mmmmmmm
]
;W[rm]C[xiayun [1d\]: Ke Jie still thinks b looks good
Crono9987 [3d\]: redmond's commentary has gotten so much better
lofuchi [3k\]: in all 5 games alphago is expanding way faster than b
Azal [2d\]: cs?
Crono9987 [3d\]: in these few games
mmmm12: I guessed s7 or 8
go7734 [4d\]: ke jie also thinks he can beat allphago 60%
lofuchi [3k\]: Lee is always catching up
Buddy514 [5k?\]: AGA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZPKR7HzM_s
mmmm12: q6 sente
lofuchi [3k\]: no matter he is b or w
longbaby [18k?\]: r7
lofuchi [3k\]: is that just Lee's style?
weaknoob: aga up
dddwyp [19k\]: blackR7
Long [?\]: this is rather straightforward
rsun [-\]: cs probably rates b at 40% now
Azal [2d\]: uhm ... 
aham [7k\]: p6
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: probably?
sarahlee [1d?\]: wow, very sneaky
gogonuts [4d\]: rsun is virtual cs
Trevoke [?\]: Lee is fidgeting with his hands a little
lofuchi [3k\]: Lee probably see this already
Cyphase [?\]: cs is biased for the bot
lofuchi [3k\]: it can't be unexpected
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: rsun probably thinks that cs probably thinks its 38% now
GoIngo [?\]: right, cs at 40 % for black
aham [7k\]: s8
paysonfox [9k\]: Michael Redmond 9P is commenting on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzpW10DPHeQ
TheBear [9k\]: hmm I still like whites postion just a tiny bit better 
gogonuts [4d\]: lol
rsun [-\]: lol
Miracle8k [2k?\]: i was thinking of o5 instead of n5
Miracle8k [2k?\]: :(
mtarn567 [6k\]: ouch
paysonfox [9k\]: white is attempting the tombstone squeeze or trying to live in the corner
Miracle8k [2k?\]: why's everyone choose n5
Miracle8k [2k?\]: :(
Blitzbold [2d?\]: yes - rsun is the first go-cyborg. he has several bot (including se" implanted
go7734 [4d\]: n5 has no benefit to the right side but is weaker to the left
rsun [-\]: I will be the biggest threat for AI
djo666 [3k\]: QUE SAIT BBEAUX QUE SEST BIEN JOUER
XiJinping2 [2k\]: rsun - Do you own a backhoe or something?
sarahlee [1d?\]: well lee saved his face by winning game4. so even he doesn't win this game , well....
Blitzbold [2d?\]: dont shout in french please
oldguy [4d\]: did sedol miscalculate this?
Azal [2d\]: no
lofuchi [3k\]: i start to doubt
stokastick [8k?\]: apparently there is some skepticism about that move
XiJinping2 [2k\]: oldguy - I wonder too
]
;B[rl]C[lofuchi [3k\]: but this doesn't seem too complicated
leachy [2k\]: s8 seems good
Slug [1k\]: just r8 should be safe
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: redmond is saying white can squeeze a few stones but black gets good thickness
Slug [1k\]: ah there it is
Azal [2d\]: s8 wow
Badduck [2d?\]: wow
leachy [2k\]: oh too late :)
Kountch [1k\]: Oh
Cyphase [?\]: woo, i was looking at s8
UTDEspy [-\]: Wat
lofuchi [3k\]: here we go
oldguy [4d\]: seems cutting that 2 b stones is big
leachy [2k\]: it was aham 7k who suggested
Badduck [2d?\]: abstrafung
aham [7k\]: p6 
danielhast [3k\]: huh, no stone tower?
Slug [1k\]: i meant s8! damnit
Vehix [10k\]: redmond says it doesn't work well for w
Sakka [4k\]: m
shahzaib48 [12k\]: The guy thats not a professional who is reviewing Lee Sedol vs AlphaGos game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccoj5lhLmSQ
rsun [-\]: s8 is dangerous
]
;W[ro]C[lofuchi [3k\]: for who
leachy [2k\]: other ways and white got s8 to escape and capture the b r8 stones
dehuong [1k\]: wat
XiJinping2 [2k\]: R7
gogonuts [4d\]: now it's war
Miracle8k [2k?\]: r7 q6?
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Or P6
]
;B[sn]C[oldguy [4d\]: neh
longbaby [18k?\]: FIGHTING!
danielhast [3k\]: oh, stone tower still happens, just a different order
go7734 [4d\]: tower is coming but w got big thickness
oldguy [4d\]: i am too weak to read that out
leachy [2k\]: i can't see how w makes something of this though other than a couple of forcing moves on the outside
goth [?\]: seems alphago is fucking up
Wizardry [4d\]: madness
Azal [2d\]: maybe AG thinks it is behind ?
Syptryn [2d\]: what what
go7734 [4d\]: even after b captures b didn't get anything
XiJinping2 [2k\]: "If something something something then black will win by 1 move" ......... "Oh I just also realized this doesn't really help white" Redmond now
voevius [5k\]: hahah, redmond, so funny ;-)
Burton [6k\]: folks no cursing you will be booted
paysonfox [9k\]: Redmond 9P says that AlphaGO is still reeling from its defeat in game 4
XiJinping2 [2k\]: I forgot the something something something part :)
Ray [9k?\]: i want chris to audibly count territory again
goalie [13k\]: P3
KoyoToya [-\]: Hmm
stokastick [8k?\]: cosmic ray tesuji
]
;W[pn]C[longbaby [18k?\]: redmond is 9p?
cekalo [1k\]: how can redmond read so fast
XiJinping2 [2k\]: bP5
mate105 [1d\]: It seems territorial style can beat AG.
Crono9987 [3d\]: longbaby, yeah
bbred [3k\]: was at one time, is still?
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: redmond says pros at top levels instantly know the outcome withouthaving to read
voevius [5k\]: when you were five you we're playing outside, when redmon was five he was pkaying go
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: at a glance
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: local fights
KoyoToya [-\]: Perhaps alpha go couldn't accept, with its pure logic algorithms, since it has always won, the fact that it lost
Tictactoe [-\]: for any pro, sequences are priorly known, seen many times before
KoyoToya [-\]: A computer
XiJinping2 [2k\]: cekalo - Same way you know an atari'ed stone on the second line is instantly dead. He has crazy ridiculous instant pattern recognition of many many many shapes
KoyoToya [-\]: Debating existence
leachy [2k\]: yep experience counts for something
Azal [2d\]: go go lee
DemonStyle [3d?\]: IIRC, Redmond started playing at 10
asdfa: when bots do this kind of stuff to me i always lose because i'm bad at reading :(
go7734 [4d\]: even when black captures, w got big strength on the outside
Anatoly [2d?\]: alphaGo resign soon :)
kadoban [?\]: They do studying and problems every day so that they can instantly see such simple things like this.
XiJinping2 [2k\]: "So basically, this is not working for white." Redmond, about the current board position
highhand [5k\]: this local fight both players should play quickly, no? nothing else to think about
voevius [5k\]: mis reading early in the game..
kaliya [-\]: Is W insisting like a 20k?
longbaby [18k?\]: an American learning go so early?
Tictactoe [-\]: that's why pro have done their 16h daily training
voevius [5k\]: wow alpha go..
Codexus [7k?\]: Redmond started at 11 according to wikipedia, rather late for a pro
SamSpade [2d\]: must help to be able to play it out on a board, too
lofuchi [3k\]: so...
highhand [5k\]: where is korean stream showing Lee expression?
Anatoly [2d?\]: Redmond says that AlphaGo misread this 
XiJinping2 [2k\]: highhang - 99% of the time, AlphaGo takes approximately 1 minute to play a turn
Hanne [?\]: must be boring for redmond being asked to explain snapback again
eatramen [?\]: When AlphaGo plays like this, it thinks it's behind
go7734 [4d\]: all this is fine for w, w didn't lose anything when dead stones died more
BongoBob [-\]: highhand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-94WvM937sY
longbaby [18k?\]: did his father teach him?
lofuchi [3k\]: it seems Lee stopped just because he wonders whether he misread
Ephidel [1k\]: has alphago turned into 2d?
lofuchi [3k\]: but it turns out he is fine
archron0 [4k\]: p5 was played
]
;B[oo]C[GoIngo [?\]: crazy stone at 37 % for black now
bryamatt [11k\]: definitely called that, lol
Cyphase [?\]: my kids are gonna have child-safe go pieces when they're old enough to hold things :P
Acerolion [9k?\]: Is alphago going to resign
highhand [5k\]: thx
lofuchi [3k\]: even i can tell b is fine now
lofuchi [3k\]: :P
leachy [2k\]: crazy stone is crazy then
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Cyphase - Go stones made of candy
]
;W[op]C[twoody [3k\]: What was crazy stone before?
lofuchi [3k\]: not obvious to me before though
XiJinping2 [2k\]: bP6
rsun [-\]: w has r3?!
XiJinping2 [2k\]: .......................
Syptryn [2d\]: holy shit
rsun [-\]: does r3 work?!
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Don't play bP6, I'm stupid (snapback)
dehuong [1k\]: p4 ?
lofuchi [3k\]: well...
XiJinping2 [2k\]: I wish I had listened to Redmond explain snapback again!!!!
lofuchi [3k\]: this is crazy
GoIngo [?\]: cs thinks p5 was a blunder
matroid: doesn't look good for white
hio: Lee Sedol starts to wondering how he lost 3 games against this
aham [7k\]: p5
kadoban [?\]: Wow, that thing myungwan just showed ... crazy tesuji
K5 [4k?\]: O5?
longbaby [18k?\]: holy can appear with shit together?
archron0 [4k\]: o5 played
SamSpade [2d\]: what's the myungwan link?
rsun [-\]: how to respond to w r3
stokastick [8k?\]: Redmond started go at age 11
kadoban [?\]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZPKR7HzM_s
SamSpade [2d\]: thanks
XiJinping2 [2k\]: bO5 obviously safe
Badduck [2d?\]: bots kgs training showing through
leachy [2k\]: o5 r3 q4 then what?
aham [7k\]: o6
GoIngo [?\]: cs: 34 % for black here
]
;B[no]C[Trevoke [?\]: TTT o5 t7 
]
;W[sm]C[K5 [4k?\]: CS can see what AG can see
gogonuts [4d\]: thanks for reminding me of aga channel
lofuchi [3k\]: oh well
highhand [5k\]: I type in the url n not found korean stream, was that a "-" sign? not seen that before
XiJinping2 [2k\]: WOW AlphaGo fast
Hanne [?\]: SamSpade, try filtering youtube results by "live"
lofuchi [3k\]: not r3 :P
K5 [4k?\]: But is it really there?
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Must be a 99.9% move
sweety [-\]: Please mid your language, folks. Thank you.
Long [?\]: lol basic capturing race
gogonuts [4d\]: CG no longer droning in my ears
sweety [-\]: mind*
XiJinping2 [2k\]: "Now black can win this semiai by playing bQ4" Redmond, about this current board position
XiJinping2 [2k\]: semeai*
Cyphase [?\]: nope, mind wasn't bolded
Palpatine [1k\]: alpha can't even read this simple position? o.O
Acerolion [9k?\]: How do I check crazystone evaluation?
voevius [5k\]: i don't see anything good for white -- redmond
royu [4d\]: Ke Jie had reviewed many variations of this and before it happened. He said he doesn't know what computer is thinking 
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Acerolion - Pay $80 for the program
drueknmstr [3d\]: alphago was so fearsome the first 3 games ..
Acerolion [9k?\]: oh alright
Azal [2d\]: mmmmmm 
Azal [2d\]: strange strange
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Redmond says black wins semeai by one move (or a ko if Lee sedol is stupid)
lofuchi [3k\]: some bug happens?
bryamatt [11k\]: white's playing best chance of winning.... this is looking good
rsun [-\]: alpha is teaching us an important lesson: play ko threats and ajikeshi asap
Wizardry [4d\]: r7 east>
mtarn567 [6k\]: tower? 
Jsnake [?\]: I wish there was another game after watching this...
K5 [4k?\]: Did they change the program during these 5 games at all?
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Same, Jsnake
XiJinping2 [2k\]: K5 - Not at all, against the rules
Cyphase [?\]: no K5
]
;B[pp]C[Xavo [?\]: Lee sedol >>> Michael Redmond 
weaknoob: computer sall all losing moves and ran with one? They need to rework time usage so Alpha will spend some of it's time finding better options
Burton [6k\]: no program change
stokastick [8k?\]: google shut down the servers. Had to use an old nokia for hosting alpha go.
GoIngo [?\]: hmm
voevius [5k\]: i was expecting genius here.
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Um. So has Lee Sedol pulled WAY ahead?
hkterry [3d\]: nice
Acerolion [9k?\]: What if alphago really pulls something on
Acerolion [9k?\]: off
Trevoke [?\]: Supposedly they froze the neural network so it would be exactly the same for the five games
highhand [5k\]: that q4 move Lee took that long to resolve? it is beyond my skills, but to world best???
royu [4d\]: they used term 'song si' which means, sent to death. ie. gift of stnoes :(
royu [4d\]: :)
voevius [5k\]: neural net has too much 20k voevius data
leachy [2k\]: well w can get forcing moves at s9 etc. in the capturing race to seal off there
]
;W[nc]C[go7734 [4d\]: white is not losing anything with these moves
Trevoke [?\]: I mean, is there anything on the board which is bigger than this?
lofuchi [3k\]: wow
Azal [2d\]: LOL
Trevoke [?\]: Wait
lofuchi [3k\]: w give up
Turnipsi [1k\]: poor w
Trevoke [?\]: What
danielhast [3k\]: Kim Myungwan saying p4 isn't a good exchange for W
juhop [1d\]: Lee should not have resigned game 3... I'm not 100% sure alpha new what was going on with the ko's.
Acerolion [9k?\]: Because alphago dominated him for the first 3 games and he's scared
matroid: run white run!
UTDEspy [-\]: Wow
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Trevoke - No, they froze the neural network probably weeks ago, so they could make sure the program version they brought to the tournament wouldn't have any horrible bugs just in case
hkterry [3d\]: finally
Azal [2d\]: AG feels behind
c137 [2k\]: He ran out of time game 3 
]
;B[nb]C[leachy [2k\]: bot doesn't really understand ajikeshi
zampa [-\]: link to kim kyungwan's commentary?
Long [?\]: alphago dominated because the machine outreading him
matroid: start a new life on the upper side!
gogonuts [4d\]: b must be ahead after this blundered fight
Long [?\]: just stick to fundamental strategy
hkterry [3d\]: n18
leachy [2k\]: horizon effect
Blitzbold [2d?\]: ok now alphago learned aji-keshi too - its getting more and more human and kgs-ish
tempay [2k?\]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZPKR7HzM_s
aham [7k\]: q16
Trevoke [?\]: W p18 
Azal [2d\]: AG thinks that r8 is dead in gote 
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Lee Sedol managing his own time much better this game
BongoBob [-\]: wow.. cut?
Wizardry [4d\]: yes, easy win for b
]
;W[ob]C[Palpatine [1k\]: alpha plays like ayabot today
zampa [-\]: thanks.
Trevoke [?\]: I'm so confused
voevius [5k\]: wtf is going on?!??
rsun [-\]: sabaki
]
;B[pb]C[Yubi [?\]: Lol @ayabot
KoyoToya [-\]: Maybe
Anatoly [2d?\]: alpha resigns soon...
Jsnake [?\]: Ag was drinking last night
narugo [1d\]: if alphago  leaving behind even small it propably weakens it alot
UTDEspy [-\]: I think AG is playing "Please make a mistake" moves
eboesch [1k\]: being strong does not rule out being unable to find a good move in a bad position
stokastick [8k?\]: white is under the impression he lost the game. I guess.
leachy [2k\]: bot plays like bot....no great surprise there
Jsnake [?\]: This is hangover play!
sarahlee [1d?\]: time to show wild side of alphago? game 4 alpha showed some unbilievable move after lee's move69
BongoBob [-\]: I think alphago has feelings and doesn't feel the need to win after winning the first 3
highhand [5k\]: is it consensus of pros that Alphago is losing?
KoyoToya [-\]: Google agreed to lose
KoyoToya [-\]: Maybe
Xavo [?\]: W is making moyo?
DemonStyle [3d?\]: This is the exact sequence Chinese pros were talking about 30 move ago
Trevoke [?\]: Good news is I might be just strong enough to guess its next move now
aham [7k\]: n18
Blitzbold [2d?\]: cs still loyal to its bog brother?
Blitzbold [2d?\]: *big
K5 [4k?\]: AG just testing out humans
stokastick [8k?\]: Yeah, lazy alphago.
GoIngo [?\]: yes, at 30 %
GoIngo [?\]: for black
Lilou [1d\]: do alpha know he won 3 games, or reboot pc before each game?
Acerolion [9k?\]: it doesn't know
dung7960 [11k\]: alphago plays like idiotbot
Blitzbold [2d?\]: thx
aham [7k\]: p16
TheBear [9k\]: We have all been trolled AlphaGo has been replaced by an advanced version of Idiotbot gg google gg
Trevoke [?\]: Remond just joked about AlphaGo being still upset about Game 4
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Redmond speculates AlphaGo may remember game 4, and may be out for revenge.
kadoban [?\]: lilou: It's not sentient to that extent.
Long [?\]: i think alphago is doing this sequence to seal the side
Badduck [2d?\]: 0 % = lee won?
Lilou [1d\]: thx
gogonuts [4d\]: ingo, cs unreliable right now
stokastick [8k?\]: maybe white made this sequence, in order to destabilize lee's concentration
Badduck [2d?\]: ::)
Cyphase [?\]: Lilou, it doesn't really work like that, but to answer your question, it would be like a reboot
Long [?\]: and do a massive moyo again
Slug [1k\]: 10% it resigns
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Long - Side was already sealed in white's favor heheh
]
;W[od]C[KoyoToya [-\]: Maybe we just think it's not sentient like that
bbred [3k\]: 10% = Mr Lee won
aham [7k\]: p16
gogonuts [4d\]: you don't know how it judges bottom right
]
;B[pc]C[mfg: i read an article saying it resigns at 20%
GoIngo [?\]: maybe unreliable
bbred [3k\]: love se here
Azal [2d\]: i don't like how in ke jie channel they throw the stone on the board....
GoIngo [?\]: but the histograms still look fine
aham [7k\]: q16
Julian1d: I really don't like W's position this game.
Matrok [4k\]: the game is not finished, but it sure feels better for black
Acerolion [9k?\]: is there a link to ke jie's channel?
dehuong [1k\]: may be Al pretends to lose against human?
aham [7k\]: n18
Long [?\]: this is kenedi style a kgs player
go7734 [4d\]: the game looks better to white to me
matroid: the Google team must have done something to AlphaGo
XiJinping2 [2k\]: AlphaGo is playing amashi style
KoyoToya [-\]: That's what i was saying earlier
K5 [4k?\]: 20% resignation seems very high
lofuchi [3k\]: the moyo isn't small
XiJinping2 [2k\]: amashi style is the counter to amashi style
leachy [2k\]: i think it may be trying to build territory at l13 area but can't 'see' that d13 is there
Julian1d: Huh. Maybe I am a very biased human.
Kountch [1k\]: Going for a moyo
Azal [2d\]: whats says ke jie ??
Ray [9k?\]: thinking time in minutes of match 4    http://i.imgur.com/3HcJKbk.png
]
;W[mb]C[KoyoToya [-\]: Amashi style?
]
;B[oa]C[XiJinping2 [2k\]: Redmond says the white moves up at the top are just fine
Acerolion [9k?\]: Anyone has a link to ke jie's analysis?
lofuchi [3k\]: very hard to reduce it if i am b :P
Azal [2d\]: g12
aham [7k\]: n16
Azal [2d\]: huge moyo for w
lofuchi [3k\]: i would think I am losing badly
dddwyp [19k\]: ???
ToastyKen: kim commentary: search for youtube usgoweb live
Slug [1k\]: Who has more time I'm in mobile
Julian1d: Ok, this isn't as bad as I thought.
Badduck [2d?\]: g16 for b?
TheBear [9k\]: Remeber AI kiddies dont download shady programs from kat the night before a big game 
rsun [-\]: alpha may not n17
Trevoke [?\]: Myungwan link: https://gaming.youtube.com/watch?v=YZPKR7HzM_s
kaliya [-\]: Alpha has 1.24, Lee 1.13
KoyoToya [-\]: what is amashi style
Trevoke [?\]: Deepmind link: https://gaming.youtube.com/watch?v=mzpW10DPHeQ
Tremolo [3k\]: Lee: 1:12, AG: 1:24
Deterra [11k?\]: B needs to get in at the top somewhere with haste.
gogonuts [4d\]: myungwan wants g16 too
Slug [1k\]: Ty
Crono9987 [3d\]: koyo - amashi is grabbing a ton of cash early on
Crono9987 [3d\]: then invading the enemy moyo
K5 [4k?\]: m17 looks better than n17
Buddy514 [5k?\]: KoyoToya, you shoudl know you are pro already.
geomav [7k\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?Amashi
Ray [9k?\]: amashi style is like "ayyyyy go head, Psych!"
]
;W[mc]C[go7734 [4d\]: n17 is just so big
rsun [-\]: n17 not alpha enough
aham [7k\]: k16
gogonuts [4d\]: no, but was a must
Medieval [2d\]: Ke Jie's stream: http://sports.letv.com/match/122345003.html#live/1020160303213534
royu [4d\]: they are guessing g16
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Help computer
Blitzbold [2d?\]: g16 for b?
asdfa: SE not very useful right now
Acerolion [9k?\]: thankd
Acerolion [9k?\]: thanks
rsun [-\]: lee tryies g17 again?
candala [2k\]: now, divine reducing moyo move
rsun [-\]: tries*
gogonuts [4d\]: no
Julian1d: Redmond getting steadily better at this sort of narration.
Long [?\]: g16 reduce
Medieval [2d\]: hahaha SE says B+0.5
MrChips [1k\]: this is going to be hard for black
aham [7k\]: j17
leachy [2k\]: b g16 f15 is interesting
gogonuts [4d\]: g17 looks awful, rsun
Canarmane [-\]: Lee must start something in the center, no?
matroid: white is getting desparate and playing faster
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Redmond is explaining important stuff now
XiJinping2 [2k\]: FOr SDK
gogonuts [4d\]: downright masochistic :-)
XiJinping2 [2k\]: SDK listen up
BongoBob [-\]: SE saying it doesn't know why w R6 group didn't work
Medieval [2d\]: SE loves moyo, so if it thinks B is ahead already.....
K5 [4k?\]: F15?
sprouts [1d\]: G16
MrChips [1k\]: I don't even know where I would begin invading that moyo
Xavo [?\]: Who's strongest go player in the world today?
leachy [2k\]: so maybe g15 instead
Kaidjin [?\]: Guess the next move ! http://gomoveguesser.ab0.fr
kadoban [?\]: myungwan doesn't seem to like this for black
Canarmane [-\]: Invade at tengen :)
KoyoToya [-\]: Xavo: ke jie
indogo [5k?\]: kijie
jellyroll [4k?\]: h13
oonicks: alphaboy added a dead stone one move to l8
aham [7k\]: k13
gogonuts [4d\]: wow, despite bottom right myungwan thinks this is too good for w ...
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Kaidjin - Thanks!!!! http://gomoveguesser.ab0.fr
stokastick [8k?\]: a few days ago, alphago was strongest players. But he got high on drugs since
Canarmane [-\]: bottom right is still susceptible to reduction, no?
Acerolion [9k?\]: It's true, there's crazy moyo for white at top and right
MrChips [1k\]: g15 looks pretty good
js13 [1k\]: still to early for bot to conquer pro go world
mement: is this ayabot?
GoIngo [?\]: crazy stone still at 31 % for black here
Azal [2d\]: k12
Badduck [2d?\]: sure its too good for w despite lr?
Julian1d: This seems like one of those places LSD may use a lot of time.
gogonuts [4d\]: g16 most likely
leachy [2k\]: canarmane...reduction only in k3 area
Blitzbold [2d?\]: g15 looks good? fpr b?
bababobo [1d?\]: g16 could work for b
lofuchi [3k\]: b is still behind, i feel like
royu [4d\]: crap, ke jie counts the board so fast
go7734 [4d\]: the bottom right is still less than 50 points, white has so many points on the rest of the board
]
;B[gd]C[Julian1d: Haha.
Blitzbold [2d?\]: g16
gogonuts [4d\]: that's what he's saying
TheBear [9k\]: If game 1 was DeepMind landing on the moon would game 4 be the equivilant of forgetting how to re-enter earths orbit?
Jsnake [?\]: J15?
Long [?\]: wow lee sedol playued my move
jellyroll [4k?\]: love g16
bbred [3k\]: g16: I can count move
Canarmane [-\]: Lee looks a lot happier this game
lofuchi [3k\]: can w F16
Azal [2d\]: what thinks ke jie of this position ?
oonicks: and fortunately because it is a bot it thinks it played ok and does not resign yet:)
Xavo [?\]: great move!!
leachy [2k\]: f15 now could be interesting
bbred [3k\]: yea, not AG thats been taking the chemicals
aham [7k\]: g17
Xavo [?\]: Go Sedol !
Julian1d: I think AlphaGo will find a good response to this.
dehuong [1k\]: @long: it my move too
darkronin [2d?\]: I'm really liking redmond's commentary today
jellyroll [4k?\]: g17 too submissive... that is what b wants...
Julian1d: Me too!
Canarmane [-\]: Redmond sounds more relaxed
Vehix [10k\]: this move was predicted by redmond, who said honinbo Shuwa would have played it
darkronin [2d?\]: might continue watching this rather than the AGA
highhand [5k\]: g16 1 diagonal away from my f15
Badduck [2d?\]: haha sthg like j16
TheBear [9k\]: They should totally give AlphaGo an option to make lude comments when it resigns 
MrChips [1k\]: B looks good
]
;W[gf]C[Canarmane [-\]: right area wrong move separates good from great
Azal [2d\]: uff....
BongoBob [-\]: oh.
gogonuts [4d\]: war
rsun [-\]: let the party begin
jellyroll [4k?\]: e15?
BongoBob [-\]: I knew w would fight.. butg14?
bbred [3k\]: if Mr Lee wins this game, will they make it 6 games?
highhand [5k\]: now b g12
Yubi [?\]: Redmond got used to all-audience commentary, and questions are geared less for non go players
Anatoly [2d?\]: fun fun fun
janwil [4k\]: bbred: no
Blitzbold [2d?\]: mc-bots unbelievable good to find vital point in positions like that
mement: no,, this is final game
bbred [3k\]: arg
Palpatine [1k\]: need god move soon
drueknmstr [3d\]: yeah
stokastick [8k?\]: Bad day for google public communication
danielhast [3k\]: such a clear-cut territory vs. influence game - B has ~60 pts and W has almost no solid territory
Kountch [1k\]: KGS style
mement: and beta go will come soon
wossname [?\]: w+0.5
looneyGO [4k\]: Sorry, what color Lee play? 
Canarmane [-\]: Black
Badduck [2d?\]: hmm g14 feels good
Blitzbold [2d?\]: lee is b
Bisqwit [-\]: Lee is black
looneyGO [4k\]: Thanks! 
cekalo [1k\]: will alphago become a pro after these games
stokastick [8k?\]: lee is black. As per indication in this game you are watching on kgs right now ...
Julian1d: Yes.
bababobo [1d?\]: w defend against n9 cut
Wizardry [4d\]: b+ 1 million
sprouts [1d\]: G17
Canarmane [-\]: I thought they already awarded AG 9d today?
leachy [2k\]: stokastick, the android app doesn't show that
robsclone: G17? i like it, but...wow. 
Blitzbold [2d?\]: @stokastick: some doesnt see the players names when using android
kadoban [?\]: I would imagine at least one go association will give alphago an honorary pro rating?
stokastick [8k?\]: leachy : ho ... okay.
robsclone: you know i don't see it in the KGS java applet, either
sarahlee [1d?\]: hurrah for lee
dehuong [1k\]: g14 amazing
Badduck [2d?\]: game 4 ag was 1p on wbaduk game 5 9p -quite fast?
gogonuts [4d\]: myungwan says b should bet the house on g17
Yubi [?\]: I can see AG as 8p or 7p
highhand [5k\]: I move around w g14 by b g12
EOC: KGA has 9d certificate prepared to present to AlphaGo - on their twitter feed
Bisqwit [-\]: The thing is AlphaGo's rating is entirely dependent on how many CPUs/GPUs are allocated to it, and it's a fluid concept. Money also affects.
EOC: 9p
highhand [5k\]: at least no big moyo
sarahlee [1d?\]: hi, highland
stokastick [8k?\]: Alphago need to go through a basic tesuji book.
Bisqwit [-\]: There's a certain number allocated for it right now for this challenge match, but after the match things are in motion again
aham [7k\]: f15
lofuchi [3k\]: KGA can't give p?
lofuchi [3k\]: just d?
bababobo [1d?\]: Lee will take > 10 minutes here I bet
kadoban [?\]: Bisqwit: Pro ranks aren't based on strength only remember. If you become 9p and then retire and never play again, you could suck at go relatively and you'll still be 9p
ArcticDawn [6k\]: white is already dead at near bottom right, correct?
Ray [9k?\]: does alpha go think during lee sedols move? it makes sense that it wouldnt. 
Yubi [?\]: Well P is a western concept 
highhand [5k\]: cannot have non game related comments or risk ban without warning :(
Long [?\]: actually g16 was too deep, should have been at say g14
Canarmane [-\]: I think W is dead in bottom right 
Bisqwit [-\]: kadoban: Your identity will still be the same. With computer programs the question of identity is murky.
ArcticDawn [6k\]: thanks canarmane
oonicks: i think h14 is pi
Canarmane [-\]: Well tbf they talk about it being dead but I can't read it all out yet
drueknmstr [3d\]: w definitely dead there
aham [7k\]: c16
Bisqwit [-\]: kadoban: Because the hardware installed is part of the program, from an external point of view
Fubini [1k\]: g17 
Buddy514 [5k?\]: white is dead bottom right, but has forcing moves to create thickness Q9R9,etc
mtarn567 [6k\]: then there are titles that you can have even if beaten,  like eternal honinbo or kisei
aham [7k\]: c6
geomav [7k\]: lee's getting up
highhand [5k\]: slide around g14 w g12 pls
Dream [4d\]: g17 is probably right
shahzaib48 [12k\]: wait
santiago [2d\]: listening to redmong, i get the idea that alphago doesn't really know how to play, but it's really good at faking it
santiago [2d\]: redmond
shahzaib48 [12k\]: Did Lee Sedol just lose?
js13 [1k\]: g15
archron0 [4k\]: g17 was played
highhand [5k\]: use g16 for fighting later
geomav [7k\]: no he takes a break about this time
go7734 [4d\]: alphago can fake better than lee sedol then
indogo [5k?\]: curious about alphago continuation, what AG will do after this
santiago [2d\]: yes, i know'
Canarmane [-\]: g17? 
shahzaib48 [12k\]: Or is the game still continuing
]
;B[gc]
;W[fd]C[bbred [3k\]: cut if off and kill it!!!
Xavo [?\]: Who is Alphagirl?
TheBear [9k\]: w
AlphaG00 [2k\]: ...
highhand [5k\]: still play g12
basildon [3d\]: time to alive.
Bisqwit [-\]: I am kind of afraid that as soon as this challenge is over, the money will be directed to other things, as tends to happen with research projects driven by PR
KoyoToya [-\]: Better question
jellyroll [4k?\]: k17 seems important
shahzaib48 [12k\]: Someone please answer did Lee Sedol just lose or is the game still continuing
lofuchi [3k\]: wow
Falcon89 [5k\]: indogo, Alpha will take a vacation in Cape Cod
KoyoToya [-\]: Who's alpha stop?
lofuchi [3k\]: b is brave
Canarmane [-\]: ??
Canarmane [-\]: Why would you think Lee just lost?
BongoBob [-\]: game is still going, shahzaib
Bisqwit [-\]: Game is still going on of course.
Badduck [2d?\]: not much difference now to b startin with g17 instead g16?
Ray [9k?\]: lee lost the match not the game
Acerolion [9k?\]: Did alphago just let sedol live
BongoBob [-\]: lee taking a breather
bbred [3k\]: game is continueing
geomav [7k\]: cause he got up
shahzaib48 [12k\]: Oh
lofuchi [3k\]: get a base at k17?
santiago [2d\]: lee is a little bit ahead in this game
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Acerolion - It's being handled by AlphaGo subroutines now
ArcticDawn [6k\]: wait i think bottom right it is who plays first who captures
BongoBob [-\]: humans have to step away sometimes
Anatoly [2d?\]: Kim: "professionals analyzed AlphaGo's games and found that AlphaGo is weak at attacking"
drueknmstr [3d\]: w is like 'here have some territory'
ArcticDawn [6k\]: ?
basildon [3d\]: off well - time to surive...
basildon [3d\]: ohh*
lofuchi [3k\]: or G15 first...it looks stupid though
oonicks: alphago conencted, maybe it knows sequences for g14
highhand [5k\]: what are pros saying at this point of time?
bbred [3k\]: k17 or k16?
ToastyKen: So Lee is winning now because AlphaGo misplayed at bottom right and lost its group?
sarahlee [1d?\]: 12k sshld know whether the game end or not
matroid: pro's must be all smiling now
BrentoBox [4k\]: Oh talking trash now huh
XiJinping2 [2k\]: highhand - Redmond is speculating on why AlphaGo isn't playing so well this game
Ray [9k?\]: Alpha go doesnt think during lees turn it already goes through the variations and needs the next input to continue its policy network calc
BrentoBox [4k\]: Lee Sedols blind grandmother could see that move
gogonuts [4d\]: w still good after lr, surprisingly
zyklop [1k\]: b f15?
basildon [3d\]: depends if B will survive... 
highhand [5k\]: thx XiJinping2, other pro opinion?
gogonuts [4d\]: but myungwan called g14 a mistake
Bisqwit [-\]: Ray: It does think during the opponent's turn though.
Azal [2d\]: what does ke jie says ?
basildon [3d\]: will be huge win for white if b fails here.
Acerolion [9k?\]: Maybe this time AG will play a god move?
GoIngo [?\]: cs evaluation still at 32 % for black here
Xavo [?\]: I looked forward to this. This is sedol's style, Yoo Changhuk says
jellyroll [4k?\]: if b is forced to live top side, w center gets kinda big...
Badduck [2d?\]: g14 mistake?
Blitzbold [2d?\]: well lr wasnt so costly... and ii was definitely an area in which b could easily make blunders - at least in the monte carlo tree
shahzaib48 [12k\]: If lee Sedol would've won 3 games he would've won 1 million dollars?
danielhast [3k\]: Ke Jie says J16
GoIngo [?\]: perhaps alphago was already in rolling home mode when playing lower right
bbred [3k\]: no, g14 is hane at head of 3 stones
Julian1d: G14 doesn't seem like a clear mistake to me yet.
highhand [5k\]: ke jie has video link?
Julian1d: (I like it.)
danielhast [3k\]: (according to someone in AGA stream translating some of his remarks)
Canarmane [-\]: why only a one space jump with j16?
Long [?\]: lee can definitely shinogi out of this
Bisqwit [-\]: Heh, I'm reminded of that Hikaru no Go episode where the opponent went driving a motorcycle in the middle of a match to calm down.
ArcticDawn [6k\]: white lost big on right side there
BongoBob [-\]: That would be me in a big tournament.
Long [?\]: after that , simple position to play since black is solid everywehre
robsclone: lol Bisqwit
ArcticDawn [6k\]: It is trying to create centre territory
ruby [2d\]: f18 
Falcon89 [5k\]: why J16, k16 not possible ?
Canarmane [-\]: Ke Jie knows best but I don't understand at all :(
matroid: Lee has left his seat
NoSeki [5k?\]: Who is B?
Bisqwit [-\]: Lee is back I think, I saw a shadow
Canarmane [-\]: B is some amateur
matroid: celebrating already...
Bisqwit [-\]: And he played a move.
danielhast [3k\]: Lee is B, AG is W
Xavo [?\]: Alphago cannot beat me, Ke Jie says.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAAY532UQZA&t=2540s
Falcon89 [5k\]: Sedol is B
]
;B[ge]C[NoSeki [5k?\]: Thx
BongoBob [-\]: push up first.
robsclone: Bisqwit:   http://puu.sh/nFFHN/3968462490.jpg  hehehe
geomav [7k\]: 6 more weeks of winter
dehuong [1k\]: why don't B play f16 instead g17 
Blitzbold [2d?\]: if u are so kind GoIngo... :)
Canarmane [-\]: Is it better to push with G15 than to play F14 first?
Azal [2d\]: ups no one saw f14
sarahlee [1d?\]: Kejie? i wanna see Guli comments
mtarn567 [6k\]: if seedol needs to,  he will need to make it so there is a I to reduce that centre with I think
RedPTown [6k\]: That makes sense even to me
js13 [1k\]: g14 move, bot underestimated pro. lee will make territory inside white area
GoIngo [?\]: cs eval still 31-32 % for black
Tictactoe [-\]: living in punxatawny geomav?
Bisqwit [-\]: robsclone: People are making these analogies a lot :)
mtarn567 [6k\]: aji 
nu [2k\]: lsd going to give up b16 stone for power in middle maybe
Kountch [1k\]: What a quick play
]
;W[ff]
;B[hf]C[geomav [7k\]: somebody saw lees shadow
robsclone: Bisqwit: as the should!
robsclone: they*
gogonuts [4d\]: nasty f14
Canarmane [-\]: oh baby
Canarmane [-\]: things are getting spicey
go7734 [4d\]: f14 is nice move
robsclone: i like it
Julian1d: This is the sort of fight both players like. ;)
Kountch [1k\]: How is it nasty?
Canarmane [-\]: F14 feels slack, should W have done more to corral B towards left?
go7734 [4d\]: f14 leaves cut for w but attacks fiercer
]
;W[hg]
;B[if]C[Xavo [?\]: Lee is leading!!
Badduck [2d?\]: not much room for a big w cemter
cekalo [1k\]: alpha will kill this!
Kountch [1k\]: He is Leeding
Azal [2d\]: i trust cs
go7734 [4d\]: but since the corner mostly alive cut is not so bad
js13 [1k\]: of course he is
dehuong [1k\]: what is CS?
sarahlee [1d?\]: Lee is leeding
Kountch [1k\]: Coputer Science?
gogonuts [4d\]: f14 is aggressive, not slack
Bisqwit [-\]: Michael thinks AlphaGo is behind, but not so far behind yet that it would start playing insane moves that don't work like in match four.
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: crazystein
igoAggie [2k\]: CrazyStone, a go program
Doli [7k\]: Counter Strike
Canarmane [-\]: LS controlling the tempo this game, much better for him
hkterry [3d\]: counter strike
Dream [4d\]: Crazystein lol
js13 [1k\]: i think bot become weaks
dehuong [1k\]: i haven't heard it 
igoAggie [2k\]: It's pretty strong
]
;W[ig]C[Julian1d: I wouldn't expect W to kill this.
igoAggie [2k\]: kgs 5d or something probably
geomav [7k\]: apparently it has win % prediction
shinigami [2d?\]: lol
Blitzbold [2d?\]: cant be counter-strike, as not enough strafe jumping here
Canarmane [-\]: W is gonna start to make  moyo shape if he keeps pushing B, he could profit large off this
robsclone: j13 not bad
igoAggie [2k\]: You can buy it for $80
Long [?\]: white is going all in, usually people would just attack to gain profit
Canarmane [-\]: doesn't even have to kill
dehuong [1k\]: the center is so big
shinigami [2d?\]: W is definitely 9d
Kountch [1k\]: He is not 9P, he has no professional diploma.
igoAggie [2k\]: W is obviously 9p. 
mfg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60VABUREwOY crazystone stream here
rsun [-\]: alpha replaces L6 with a w stone
Julian1d: Yep. Except it doesn't know some tesuji. ;)
asdfa: alphago won 77% of games against crazystone when giving 4 handi
Azal [2d\]: AG looking to something at j7
Tictactoe [-\]: sedol looks happy with his position
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Lee Hajin is on the Redmond stream now https://www.youtube.com/embed/mzpW10DPHeQ
Ahamay [7d?\]: On reddit there's a rumor that it might be awarded a 9p certifitace after this match
kadoban [?\]: Position looking a bit harder for white
BongoBob [-\]: ohh haijin!
Canarmane [-\]: LS is looking relatively relaxed
js13 [1k\]: go lee, make bot show its "crazy move" again
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: k16?
sarahlee [1d?\]: i heard that with 1 million prize money, alphago marries other beautiful female computer and retire in one of carribian islands
Bisqwit [-\]: mfg: What's this?
Trevoke [?\]: ~49k people watching
BigDoug [-\]: please stop the random comments
TheBear [9k\]: I have no clue who Hajin Lee is I learned Go cause hikaru no go 
sarahlee [1d?\]: sorry big
BigDoug [-\]: thank you
igoAggie [2k\]: Hajin is a go player who streams her games sometimes
igoAggie [2k\]: she is a korean pro
sarahlee [1d?\]: welcome
geomav [7k\]: she is actually a huge coordinator in the match
c137 [2k\]: probably significantlly more than that with korean, japan, chinese coverage
Canarmane [-\]: Following Redmond's question, would you rather play J16 or keep pushing as B?
TheBear [9k\]: Oh cool 
Wizardry [4d\]: must k14?
igoAggie [2k\]: My instinct would be to keep pushing
shinigami [2d?\]: lee hajin saw lee sedol's move 78 yesterday before lee did
geomav [7k\]: she is 3p pro
Julian1d: B taking some time on this one.
robsclone: i like his call of j16...but not, here. 
kadoban [?\]: J16 seems ... not right to me. Either something bigger or keep extending I think.
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Lee Hajin is pro at hiding her face from the stream
Burton [6k\]: how much time do the players have left
aham [7k\]: pushing
]
;B[id]C[jellyroll [4k?\]: yay vital points!
BongoBob [-\]: alphago, 1:18  Lee 0:56
LinuxGooo [7k\]: Hajin Lee already gave lectures on KGS - https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi9keLV_sHLAhWGZpoKHZRwAswQtwIIIjAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DxPRtfx8fp_Y&usg=AFQjCNHRUYKhwtCnliUXJzOmMglnA78Rag&sig2=tmpoE3X9iXcwO0NSH0YcjA 
Canarmane [-\]: ohh, builds an eye first
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: why j16 and not k16
kadoban [?\]: Well, I fail at guess the move.
BongoBob [-\]: in h:mm
Ephidel [1k\]: j16 is the shape point
wossname [?\]: k16 flawed
cekalo [1k\]: J18
Dream [4d\]: j16 looks good
Canarmane [-\]: j16 is guaranteed eye
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: k16 gets a bit more space?
shinigami [2d?\]: j16 means B is practically alive
Dream [4d\]: w cant make the moyo big enough to win
kadoban [?\]: I probably would have done K17
goren22 [2k\]: k14
Poney [2d\]: check SE haha
superpal1 [1d\]: \\o/ lee sedol \\o/
aham [7k\]: k14
Canarmane [-\]: k17 super greedy, I think AG would punish
rsun [-\]: Nie Weiping says alphago is 13-15d in middle game
robsclone: yeah, that's a good move like he said.  I like that he's confident and yet still playing safely
Acerolion [9k?\]: why J16 over K16?
Buddy514 [5k?\]: Hajin has to push her book more.  When she introduces herself, she should alwasy mention that she has a book she's working on.
sarahlee [1d?\]: i love lee se dol
mysticgirl [14k?\]: Who is b
Crono9987 [3d\]: even though it looks close, the tempo of this game feels happy for sedol this time
]
;W[jf]C[IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: apparently because j16 is more betterer
robsclone: lee = b
njs [1d\]: k15
jellyroll [4k?\]: here comes that moyo
Slain [3k\]: J16 better shape than K16, b is ahead
LordVader [1d\]: SE having a hard time :)
shinigami [2d?\]: double hane coming
goren22 [2k\]: watch b k13...
aham [7k\]: k15
Azal [2d\]: j16 seems odd
Julian1d: I would say this game has felt good for B from the start.
Azal [2d\]: o maybe cut ?
jellyroll [4k?\]: would LOVE k13
asdfa: seems real nice for W, no?
robsclone: j16 makes a very safe group for b in that area
weirdchess [-\]: crazystone win percentage?
Crono9987 [3d\]: i wonder why bots seem to all favor the middle so much
Badduck [2d?\]:  w play not that impressive?
Canarmane [-\]: cut now or connect?
Crono9987 [3d\]: seems like all of the bots are written by takemiya
shahzaib48 [12k\]: CUT
shinigami [2d?\]: bot didn't necessarily favor middle
Slug [1k\]: W might get a big middle from this
aham [7k\]: l16
go7734 [4d\]: b cannot cut
santiago [2d\]: cut? are you crazy?
Ray [9k?\]: lee forced him to have the middle
ruby [2d\]: cut too dangerous
geomav [7k\]: 32%  if im reading it right
shinigami [2d?\]: sedol just took territory in the beginning all the time
NoSeki [5k?\]: This looks so good for w
Ephidel [1k\]: just k15 yeah?
shinigami [2d?\]: so sedol forced the tempo
Xavo [?\]: Baduk means Bad UK
go7734 [4d\]: k15 is forced
robsclone: the first few games, the middle was the large deciding factor for AG's win, wasn't it?
go7734 [4d\]: or another similar move
shahzaib48 [12k\]: The group from N18 to N8 to damn big
Julian1d: I suspect B already read much of this move.
geomav [7k\]: BUT CS is like 5 moves behind
Ephidel [1k\]: well, black has l6 and d12
shahzaib48 [12k\]: need to reove some of that
goren22 [2k\]: I see b m15 actually
jellyroll [4k?\]: w center can still be reduced from right side and bottom center.... 
Ephidel [1k\]: so the center isn't so big
geomav [7k\]: CS has to calculate I imaggine
Canarmane [-\]: getting ahead of the push is big for W now tho
weirdchess [-\]: geomav, that's white win percent = 32?
mtarn567 [6k\]: depends on  how thick w makes it. 
stokastick [8k?\]: if somehow black loose, he will be very ashamed ... although alphago did loose anyway in this game
GoIngo [?\]: cs now at 33 % for black
robsclone: m15? not seeing it
Julian1d: Whoa.
rsun [-\]: w is way too thick, like an impregnable brick
]
;B[jb]C[geomav [7k\]: According to earlier posters...no... thats b... bis behind in CS
goren22 [2k\]: um...
Trevoke [?\]: w....?
robsclone: hmmmm
Canarmane [-\]: Lee is going to have to make a very brave invade in the center
XiJinping2 [2k\]: K18 seems very limited and small at this point
lofuchi [3k\]: this is surprising
Badduck [2d?\]: k18?
Azal [2d\]: o.O??? too much coffee
shahzaib48 [12k\]: Who is currently in the leadÉ
Ephidel [1k\]: oh i guess b just wants to live
lofuchi [3k\]: so conservative
Canarmane [-\]: whaaaa
oldguy [4d\]: Did bigdoug ban bot est this game?
stokastick [8k?\]: badduck : ko threat ...
ruby [2d\]: lee is drunk
go7734 [4d\]: is lee bugged?
leachy [2k\]: well....noone predicted that one
rsun [-\]: this shape is similar to game 1
robsclone: lol g7734
goren22 [2k\]: setting up m15 then cutting at k13
shahzaib48 [12k\]: I would reccommend waiting before you say tis a bad move.
IlanKeshet [-\]: w so busted
TheBear [9k\]: Bottom left corner is still very invadable 
BongoBob [-\]: what is k18?
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: nice 2nd line play
Slain [3k\]: Yeah, w has to protext that cut now
robsclone: huh...
pipu [5d\]: i could never think of this...
geomav [7k\]: CS is about 7 moves behind though
lofuchi [3k\]: perhaps Lee saw some powerful attack
leachy [2k\]: i suspect so goren
androlive [5k\]: Whar about time remaining?
Wizardry [4d\]: white has two cutting points now
Poney [2d\]: If k15  w would've K17 I guess
Badduck [2d?\]: ok K.O. threat...
shinigami [2d?\]: bigdoug only doesn't like too much bot win percentage talk, if we keep it managable we are good
jellyroll [4k?\]: b may look to make live, and then e14 cut
robsclone: okay, yeah. that sets up the strength for moving more towards M
Canarmane [-\]: right but if LS invades the bottom left with the aim of taking the corner, it is going to give W thickness and solidify his center
leachy [2k\]: must be linked to that k13 cut 
oldguy [4d\]: yes, i also loved the bot est
GoIngo [?\]: cs does not understand k18
XiJinping2 [2k\]: White played wK16 in game already
Ephidel [1k\]: hmm
]
;W[jd]C[rsun [-\]: count #1st/2nd line stones: Lee 10, Alpha 5
lofuchi [3k\]: this doesn't seem very sucessful for b
IlanKeshet [-\]: this is fine for black
Wizardry [4d\]: must wedge?
rsun [-\]: Lee 11
jellyroll [4k?\]: so agressive.
IlanKeshet [-\]: black is so far ahead
leachy [2k\]: well....now comes teh cutting
bbred [3k\]: must cuy?
Badduck [2d?\]: not sure if led would play k18 against human
bbred [3k\]: cut
lofuchi [3k\]: or maybe this is what b can do, can't ask for more
shahzaib48 [12k\]: K15!
robsclone: could be quite smart set of moves for b.  get w to concentrate on that group's life, and then take advantage of the thickness
Canarmane [-\]: k15 for B would be bad I think
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Black played bK17 in game
]
;B[jc]C[Johnma [1k?\]: k18 looks to settle b in sente?
jellyroll [4k?\]: w so good at making huge moyos
leachy [2k\]: i guess so johnma
c137 [2k\]: this is good enough for B
cohen [4k?\]: W loks too big
rsun [-\]: alpha tenuki again
goren22 [2k\]: simply l16 now?
Kountch [1k\]: How can B reduce such a moyo?
lofuchi [3k\]: b gets sente
rsun [-\]: like K7
Azal [2d\]: c137 b behind by a lot
leachy [2k\]: just hoping there was some cut tactics
DrSFBrains [1k\]: SE has an amusing view...
Acerolion [9k?\]: That exchange doesn't look like it's good for sedol
shahzaib48 [12k\]: Dive in there like a Boss just go super saiyan and play O12
XiJinping2 [2k\]: It looks tiny for black
rsun [-\]: alpha going to K7 or J7
lofuchi [3k\]: maybe SE is right
shahzaib48 [12k\]: To reduce the moyo
Xavo [?\]: This is Human style, right?
Pauline: what is the link for Kejie stream ?
IlanKeshet [-\]: w's ONLY potential is in the top middle...
XiJinping2 [2k\]: It's still time for black and white to be playing big moves
cekalo [1k\]: how much money does a pro make?
alhwong [?\]: black already has big lower right
hio: moyo still not big enough compare to b huge corner imo
IlanKeshet [-\]: black has much more cash
XiJinping2 [2k\]: But black lives here in a small group, takes some white territory, but helps build huge white moyo zone
Blitzbold [2d?\]: yes - i also thought alpha will k7
Azal [2d\]: center looking huge for w
robsclone: these moves give strength to use for the upper-left corner for b, doesn't it?
]
;W[je]C[hio: w still have weaknesses
alhwong [?\]: k8 big
IlanKeshet [-\]: I expect w to play c5 or c4 next
Badduck [2d?\]: k8 or so?
cohen [4k?\]: Now b is alive
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Robsclone - I think you're right there's a strong connection one of the players is going to have to resolve
IlanKeshet [-\]: or K3
Bisqwit [-\]: I wonder if W can still get mileage out of those dead white stones in lower right
alhwong [?\]: or k7 for white?
go7734 [4d\]: k15 was very big
IlanKeshet [-\]: i dunno
lofuchi [3k\]: can b tenuki
go7734 [4d\]: it has followups
gogonuts [4d\]: myungwan sounding not amused again
lofuchi [3k\]: no probably
go7734 [4d\]: b is alive but w has followups
Ephidel [1k\]: i dunno if b will tenuki
goren22 [2k\]: how's about b9?
leachy [2k\]: aji in the white position but i can't see anything sente there
Long [?\]: actually white dead group is alot of ko threat
aham [7k\]: d18
Xavo [?\]: K 8
agent86kyu [13k\]: is Myungwan really a skinjob?
Long [?\]: outside forcing moves too
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Good point, Long
Pauline: what is the link for ke jie stream ?
Johnma [1k?\]: So tempting to play k8
Bisqwit [-\]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzpW10DPHeQ for the English stream
Kountch [1k\]: Maybe time for Tengen
Long [?\]: i think ko is not an option for lee sedol in this game 
LoneStar [3d\]: j15
lofuchi [3k\]: seems necessary
rsun [-\]: w is too thick this game, no place for myoshu like last game
LoneStar [3d\]: how long are you
Long [?\]: white loses a few points for playing that sequence but seal off the side anytime she wishes, and plus ko threat too
XiJinping2 [2k\]: LongStar?
danielhast [3k\]: from AGA stream chat: "Ke Jie: black isn't ahead by much even after live in sente"
Badduck [2d?\]: c3 not small
matroid: why is white in such a hurry to kill black when black can a life easily?
Bisqwit [-\]: Ke Jie stream live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZPKR7HzM_s
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: w building big moyo again?
Acerolion [9k?\]: To make its moyo strong
]
;B[gh]C[go7734 [4d\]: white didn't really lose any points for the bottom right, only lost in making b extra thick
Bisqwit [-\]: No, sorry, that's actually Kimg Myungwan commentating.
go7734 [4d\]: after g12 w could j17
Pauline: yes
jellyroll [4k?\]: g12 so great
LoneStar [3d\]: ke jie speaking english?
Xavo [?\]: Yoo Changhyuklive commentary - http://sports.news.naver.com/tv/index.nhn?category=etc&gameId=20160315BADUK
rsun [-\]: not sure if it's great
go7734 [4d\]: j17 looks good for w to me
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Redmond says b needs one more move to live, but b played bG12 instead, and Redmond says it's a bit of a scary move (but black group not dead yet)
GoIngo [?\]: cs gives 28 % for black here  --- on wrong steamer?
Acerolion [9k?\]: CS may be right, doesn't look good for b
rsun [-\]: 28% looks correct
rsun [-\]: I'm 82% confident
Buddy514 [5k?\]: I heard it takes about $50/hr of electricity to run alphago during this match.
goren22 [2k\]: now we're gonna see the power of the comps when they kill 
Tonight [5k\]: i think that white is better
Long [?\]: same as yesterday until lee pulled a myoshu
BlackSmurf [2k?\]: 72?
leachy [2k\]: 28C=82F
rsun [-\]: no place for myoshu this time
rsun [-\]: w too thick
Acerolion [9k?\]: Doesn't look like there's a myoshu available with this thickness
Bisqwit [-\]: Buddy: Relatively cheap considering other costs of the match, but not something you would have running for leisure
gogonuts [4d\]: i think cs unreliable because of lr uncertainty
Long [?\]: this sort of game is better for lee sedol vs alphago since alphago can outread anybody on this planet in fighting
LoneStar [3d\]: is it alive?
robsclone: f18, like Redmond said
Acerolion [9k?\]: It didn't outread sedol in game 4
GoIngo [?\]: gogonuts: but histograms smooth
]
;W[fb]C[goren22 [2k\]: what is is this miaoshu everyone''s talking about
oonicks: i think they just all have this error
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Redmond says black will answer now and be alive
Vehix [10k\]: b preparing f15 push ?
gogonuts [4d\]: hm, ok ...
wossname [?\]: g13 ride or die
Long [?\]: game 4 wasn't a fighting game
Acerolion [9k?\]: why didn't white J17
Anatoly [2d?\]: h17 to live locally
Azal [2d\]: b cut first
wossname [?\]: because it didnt work acerolion
]
;B[gg]C[Xavo [?\]: wow
XiJinping2 [2k\]: G13...?
Acerolion [9k?\]: Hmmm what would be the answer though?
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Redmond didn't say G13 lol
Yumi [7d\]: a1
wossname [?\]: G13 RIDE OR DIE
wossname [?\]: WOOT
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Lol
Wizardry [4d\]: w error?
Ray [9k?\]: dang sedol is AGRESSIVE
stokastick [8k?\]: now of course black doesn't respond ...
robsclone: haha
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Redmond says "This is a forcing move, white has to do something about it"
sarahlee [1d?\]: ko?
Bisqwit [-\]: Korean Go players are known for their attacky style.
goren22 [2k\]: f15
Yumi [7d\]: "attacky" lol
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Lol, Garlick made a joke about a short ladder in game being a "stepladder"
LoneStar [3d\]: cut at k13?
Ray [9k?\]: very sticky style
alobar [9k\]: so is alobar
]
;W[fe]C[Yumi [7d\]: k13 leggo
Xavo [?\]: shut up bar
alobar [9k\]: sorry
hkterry [3d\]: gangnam style
MMXVI [3k\]: use Censor
esrig [6k\]: @xijingping, who are the commentators for KBA
BigDoug [-\]: don't be rude please xavo
djo666 [3k\]: LEE a prie 5D en 3 jour
Xavo [?\]: ok
XiJinping2 [2k\]: esrig - I'm only watching the Garlick and Redmind commentary
alobar [9k\]: it was a pertinent comment let him be.
]
;B[hc]C[botBot [?\]: if you didnt see garlick in person.. one might tot he is a kid
Yumi [7d\]: oh
Yumi [7d\]: right
glasszee [2k\]: let's dispel with this fiction that lee sedol doesnt know what he's doing
XiJinping2 [2k\]: esrig - Here  https://www.youtube.com/embed/mzpW10DPHeQ
glasszee [2k\]: lee sedol knows exactly what hes doing
Yumi [7d\]: ^
Ray [9k?\]: ^
XiJinping2 [2k\]: ^
Buddy514 [5k?\]: Lee Sedol http://m.imgur.com/a/dHz3V
djo666 [3k\]: malin
BongoBob [-\]: haha
Azal [2d\]: w sente again
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: what about the fiction that ag doesnt know what its doing
goren22 [2k\]: lol glas
robsclone: did hte AGA stream start yet?
fujiyama [8k\]: huge moyo for white
BongoBob [-\]: W must build a wall.. a HUUUUUGE wall.
Canarmane [-\]: but wait
Bisqwit [-\]: robs: Yes
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Haha
godard: hahahah
jellyroll [4k?\]: this is almost sente against w corner
Acerolion [9k?\]: And W will make B pay for the wall
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: alphago is building a wall, and ag will pay for that wall
goren22 [2k\]: e12?
fujiyama [8k\]: combien vaut ce moyo blanc?
Azal [2d\]: cs update?
leachy [2k\]: cut at k13 still a problem
Acerolion [9k?\]: favourable for W i presume
robsclone: thank you Bisqwit! I was on the wrong YT tab
GoIngo [?\]: cs eval 30 % for black
jellyroll [4k?\]: liking B now....
geomav [7k\]: cs move 84 27% for b
JBouttejj: what is cs ?
Azal [2d\]: remond says that w is behind in points
Trevoke [?\]: TTT W h11 
Canarmane [-\]: cheesesteak
goren22 [2k\]: countewr stike
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: cwaydee stein
superpal1 [1d\]: critical strike
]
;W[hi]C[geomav [7k\]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60VABUREwOY 
oonicks: after they notice r8 is dead,, you can subtract teh difference from every number you announced
Wizardry [4d\]: this is hard for b because he is not even connected to d12
hio: ime to 3-3
Julian1d: Redmond is correctly saying that W has almost no points and not enough space to make 60+ points.
geomav [7k\]: cs stream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60VABUREwOY
go7734 [4d\]: r8 not dead
ToastyKen: @Buddy514 wow little kid lee so cute :D
Ray [9k?\]: if R8 is dead im a ghost
oonicks: is nor dead< lol
goren22 [2k\]: r8 is not doead 
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Hmmmmmm
Buddy514 [5k?\]: NYTimes article called him "boyish" Master go player.
Eternal6k [4k\]: Whew not a ghost
JBouttejj: thanks
Badduck [2d?\]: h11 looks bottish
danielhast [3k\]: Kim saying it might be time for C4
Vehix [10k\]: redmond estimates 50 pts for w moyo
LoneStar [3d\]: K8 
Deterra [11k?\]: Redmond seems to be suggesting that W has put all their eggs in the moyo basket.  May explain how AlphaGo still thinks it has a large win %
oonicks: google censoring tool and nyt are friends
Acerolion [9k?\]: explosive move?
Acerolion [9k?\]: C4 is an explosive move
glasszee [2k\]: saving b 2 stones would be definitely mistake
danielhast [3k\]: isn't something like h11 necessary to fix k13 weakness?
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: c3 also is explosive
a1328 [3k\]: R7
]
;B[jl]C[dehuong [1k\]: is W leading?
Acerolion [9k?\]: c3 isn't an explosive
hio: no
LoneStar [3d\]: MUhaha
Canarmane [-\]: W needs to make territory desperately
Vehix [10k\]: redmond thinks b ahead
Gotham88 [4k\]: i think 
XiJinping2 [2k\]: K8 looks tiny too but I won't judge a 9p's moves too harshly
LoneStar [3d\]: i am as good s LSD
goren22 [2k\]: k9
dehuong [1k\]: c5 so big
H [-\]: What's the status of q7 and r8 groups?
Acerolion [9k?\]: c3 is propane
Ray [9k?\]: if w is leading im lead
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: c was the first, then c2, then c3, then c4 actually
Bisqwit [-\]: Lee will be very happy, if he wins this match. He will have won both as black and as white. And of course, he will get $20k per win even though he didn't win the tournament.
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Lone Stardol?
go7734 [4d\]: q7 is dead, but w gets q9 r9 s9 in sente
Slain [3k\]: Q7 dead, R8 alive
alobar [9k\]: whie must make territory calmly, not desperately
Slain [3k\]: but some ko threats
Gotham88 [4k\]: lee managed to find out what's Alphago weakness.. I am guessing. alphago is unable to correctly predict the score when certain areas are not clear like R 8
kadoban [?\]: AGA stream break, boo.
H [-\]: Thanks
Plexux9090: becubio
robsclone: that's an interesting thought Gotham88
Canarmane [-\]: AG also seems to have trouble with the center
Azal [2d\]: gotham88 could be true... same maybe for CS
Becubio [4k\]: Plexus?
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Gotham88 - I doubt it, but that's a unique idea I haven't seen yet
Canarmane [-\]: rather, making territory with the center
]
;W[hb]C[hio: according to redmond, b wants corner
Plexux9090: que onda
Deterra [11k?\]: Redmond suggests Lee is playing cautiously
hio: wow
Azal [2d\]: oh
manta [3d\]: alive
Azal [2d\]: silly moves 
USSRMan [3d\]: i still cant believe how game 4, bot just threw a temper tantum and lost a close game
Long [?\]: alphago weakness is playing a moyo game, which it really likes to play, don't play a fighting game with alphago
hio: bot again forcing moves
robsclone: hmmmm
Ephidel [1k\]: lol
cekalo [1k\]: b is dead
Plexux9090: GG ez
narugo [1d\]: h18 looks bad
Ephidel [1k\]: bot lost then
alobar [9k\]: how many eyes at top?
cekalo [1k\]: b resign
manta [3d\]: g18 g19 j18 h19 j19 l19 
hio: cekalo> not according to redmond 9p
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Redmond says b is easily alive
leachy [2k\]: bot needs lesson in ajikeshi
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: h18?
DemonStyle [3d?\]: Not dead
USSRMan [3d\]: b not dead
kadoban [?\]: m18?
djllap [4k\]: j18 g18 m18  lives
alobar [9k\]: yet?
botBot [?\]: not dead
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: thats weird
Ephidel [1k\]: first g18
narugo [1d\]: h18 looks bad move
NoSeki [5k?\]: Not dead
Deterra [11k?\]: I don't think AlphaGo acknowledges the "risk factor" in creating moyo territory over edge territory
DemonStyle [3d?\]: There's the threat to connect to O18
Plexux9090: surrender at 20 pls
Tictactoe [-\]: crazy stone lacks to calculate c3
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: now lsd knwos he will win
botBot [?\]: Redmond already commented the whole sequence out
Blitzbold [2d?\]: actually h11 weakened h17 group remarkably
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: ag making weird moves again
Julian1d: This isn't that weird.
botBot [?\]: h18 is not weird move
go7734 [4d\]: this is not the kind of weird move from game 4
bababobo [1d?\]: could w play g18 quickly ?
kadoban [?\]: alphago has always done these kind of moves
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: isnt it pointless tho?
go7734 [4d\]: this is weird move from game 1 and 2 
kadoban [?\]: Even in the winning agmes.
USSRMan [3d\]: game 4's weird move were 30k level
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: h18
XiJinping2 [2k\]: They're weird to a 7k :P
Ray [9k?\]: "pack it up boys we're done here" -Redmond
GoIngo [?\]: would like to see alphago's eval now
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: yah many good moves are @_@
superpal1 [1d\]: w is losing since he is trying to kill alive groups
DrSFBrains [1k\]: g18 g19 j18 h19 j19 f19 l19  with l18 and n19 miai
botBot [?\]: its not weird
]
;B[gb]C[IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: ok i accept its not weird, im just too shtoopid to understand :"(
go7734 [4d\]: h18 is likely to be white's best endgame, and certainly h18 is sente
Badduck [2d?\]: possible that ag feels its behind?
robsclone: Lee's sweatin'
Bisqwit [-\]: H18 doesn't look weird to me at all... But then again, Redmond did go through that sequence already and determined B lives
kadoban [?\]: It is weird, it's just expected weird.
go7734 [4d\]: so white can be just playing endgame sente early 
Wizardry [4d\]: normally you'd save such moves as ko threats, but i think alphago just wants to reduce right away
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Look at Lee's hands, always moving
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Redmond says all the pros move/fiddle their hands when they're thinking
GoIngo [?\]: cs expecting g19 and happy
Deterra [11k?\]: It's interesting to see the mood differences between the two gentlemen at the goban.  One is under huge mental strain and the other isn't, and it really shows.
]
;W[ga]C[hkterry [3d\]: If Lee died here, it'd be more serious than his 0-5 defeat to Alpha lol
Bisqwit [-\]: AlphaGo likes to maximize its winning percentage, and somehow retaining ko threats doesn't seem to be part of that goal
narugo [1d\]: yep atleast timing looks early as black dont move there if not
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Deterra - The AlphaGo rep looks very.... aloof :)
Deterra [11k?\]: It's kinda funny hahaha
XiJinping2 [2k\]: He's 6d amateur I think
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: yes whats the benefit of losing allt he ko threast and solidifying black living gtroup at top?
go7734 [4d\]: it's keeping the r9 threats at least xD
goren22 [2k\]: doesn't aja play here?
Deterra [11k?\]: So that's good.  At least he knows what's going on.
Long [?\]: b easily live
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: what did h18 acheve?
Plexux9090: deep mind
jellyroll [4k?\]: alphago plays this too soon..  much like bottom right... rruining aji
danielhast [3k\]: Kim Myungwan's count: B has 66 points, W should get more than 50 points, game might be close
Long [?\]: just forcing move to seal the top
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Thanks, danielhast
USSRMan [3d\]: tbh, if alphago didnt throw temper tantrum in game 4, i think he had a good chance of winning
USSRMan [3d\]: at least 40%
Falcon89 [5k\]: h18 makes j17 a false eye but Sedol already knows 
Bisqwit [-\]: Maybe H18 is for creating sente moves that increase the chances that the W group in upper left will live
]
;B[ib]C[XiJinping2 [2k\]: Falcon - Somebody needs to warn Lee Sedol
go7734 [4d\]: yes with f19 sente it helps the white upper left
Ephidel [1k\]: lolll
Julian1d: Yeah. It's probably too soon but for a bot that's still a minor mistake.
Long [?\]: i think everybody is overestimate alphago strength comparing to top pro, top pro can't fight with alphago, but fundamentally alphago cannot compare
Falcon89 [5k\]: that's your job, Chairman Xi
blau3: Q: remaining time for both?
kadoban [?\]: Long: Keep some perspective though, it's won the match and won 3 games out of 4 so far.
gogonuts [4d\]: looks like J16 wasnt enough
botBot [?\]: Remember, AlphaGo is still a prototype.. not even in Beta
XiJinping2 [2k\]: 1h05m for AlphaGo, and 42m for Lee Sedol
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Remaining
blau3: thx
danielhast [3k\]: Kim says this is a good sequence for W - seals off upper right
USSRMan [3d\]: but game 4 shows it is fundamentally flowed
Tictactoe [-\]: sedol 42m, alph 65m left
Falcon89 [5k\]: thx  TTT
]
;W[ha]C[alobar [9k\]: i said good sequence four moves ago
XiJinping2 [2k\]: danielhast - Seals off N14 area you mean?
alobar [9k\]:  let me do commentary
Blitzbold [2d?\]: nope ussrman: thats just a thing that happens with mc
blau3: after j19 f19 m18 turns k19 into a B eye, doesn't it?
gogonuts [4d\]: a misread in some deep variation isnt "fundamentally flawed"
gogonuts [4d\]: and alphago is winning again
hkterry [3d\]: Is Alpha aiming at the right-hand corner? 
USSRMan [3d\]: when it is slightly behind, alphago thinks it has completely lost because it plays against it self, so it self distructs
Julian1d: (Redmond is explaining how W profits. ;)
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: blak under pressure on top @_@
Canarmane [-\]: AG still down like 15~ points no?
USSRMan [3d\]: that is a deep flaw
Blitzbold [2d?\]: again nope ussrman
jellyroll [4k?\]: b alive
go7734 [4d\]: alpha is not behind at all
hkterry [3d\]: The sequence just for n19
Bisqwit [-\]: USSRMan, with any computer program there are chances the programmer overlooked some aspect or detail. And in match 4 something was probably found. The programmers will be working on that detail and it will affect AlphaGo's game style in future matches.
botBot [?\]: Remember, AlphaGo is still a prototype.. not even in Beta
XiJinping2 [2k\]: "Lee Sedol is thinking about the exact order he should play his next moves in" Redmond now
kadoban [?\]: Game seems pretty even if anything.
Cyphase [?\]: NotEvenBetaGo
]
;B[ia]C[Julian1d: Mm. AlphaGo is an infant playing the best human in the world. ;)
Greenfuse [1k\]: j19 f19 l19
XiJinping2 [2k\]: botBot, I think that's an important poin
XiJinping2 [2k\]: point
Blitzbold [2d?\]: +5 cyphase :)
Dream [4d\]: L19 looks best
robsclone: botBot the idea would be if it can continue to grow on this path, and continue to improve or not
kadoban [?\]: Is ReleaseGo the final version then?
matroid: M18
oonicks: 3go is the final one
GoIngo [?\]: I tried one pass for white and black move on r7; result: still only 36 % for Black
XiJinping2 [2k\]: The super basic, rudimentary nature of AlphaGo's time management drove home to me that AlphaGo is truly a prototype still, and not a finished product really
USSRMan [3d\]: im sure the team at deepmind will fix whatever flaw it had in game 4
Blitzbold [2d?\]: matroid is greedy :)
GoIngo [?\]: in cs opinion
Canarmane [-\]: if they can somehow create a derivative of AG that focuses on teaching players they should name is Sai
esrig [6k\]: I like the AGA channel better than the DeepMind channel
Bisqwit [-\]: The problem in match 4 was fundamentally that the moves that Lee Sedol did were so unlikely that they were off the search radar for AlphaGo, and thus the bot did not predict them. Everything that came after that was just a consequence of the bot knowing it's behind and desperately trying to get back on track.
matroid: greedy is good
]
;W[fa]C[botBot [?\]: With better supercomputer and better algorithm, AI will keep improving
Plexux9090: zzz xD
]
;B[ka]C[Xylol [4k?\]: i just joined
Nam [-\]: m18 , m17 . l19
Ray [9k?\]: Canarame comment got a tear in my eye
Xylol [4k?\]: how is it?
Nam [-\]: that lived
robsclone: esrig: i'm switching back and forth, as each catches up their commentary to the moves
jellyroll [4k?\]: love l19
USSRMan [3d\]: it knew it was behind, but it was not unwinnable at that point, but it started throwing away points left and right
Blitzbold [2d?\]: ... but greedy only works on matroids and inersection of 2 matroids :)
USSRMan [3d\]: for humans, it is a close game, but alphago is so strong, it thought it just lost so it started self-distructing
Badduck [2d?\]: it happened in 1 out of 4 games and its not fundamental?
USSRMan [3d\]: that it a flaw in the MC strategy if the bot is too strong
dehuong [1k\]: I hope Lee does not make mistake
Bisqwit [-\]: The bot probably thought that there's a higher chance those stupid moves will result in opponent's blunder (and thus B regaining lead) than any complicated followup would have had.
narugo [1d\]: offcourse AI will keep improving even without algorithm changes, computing power with same money doubles in every two years 
Deterra [11k?\]: Redmond's dissection of this situation just now was great.
danielhast [3k\]: Kim says game is very close
XiJinping2 [2k\]: USSRMan - The self-destructing makes the goban gobang
]
;W[iq]C[robsclone: narugo but, strategy
Azal [2d\]: =O
XiJinping2 [2k\]: J3 seems huge
Reym [-\]: maybe it was the combination ko + ladder that crashed it yesterday
KoyoToya [-\]: Kim has said that every time
Ephidel [1k\]: ?
Falcon89 [5k\]: huge
IlanKeshet [-\]: ??
Bisqwit [-\]: When the game is even, or when the bot is in lead, the bot does not fall into that kind of thinking
Ephidel [1k\]: this looks so small
matroid: white is playing slow moves
IlanKeshet [-\]: wow
shinigami [2d?\]: this isn't small
botBot [?\]: good local move
botBot [?\]: its huge
shinigami [2d?\]: it's preparing for k7 cut/aji
oonicks: somewhere n that area or h8
GoIngo [?\]: slow bot moves normal when it thinks to be ahead
Bisqwit [-\]: When the bot is playing slow moves, it think it's ahead
Vehix [10k\]: redmond says aiming at cutting k8 stone
botBot [?\]: its not slow move
robsclone: Redmond is thinking something along the lines of m10
oonicks: oh and h8 is also wrong
kadoban [?\]: It doesn't look slow to me ...
Blitzbold [2d?\]: that move doesnt feel so slow...
USSRMan [3d\]: but if it is slightly behind, it thinks it is very behind because alphago can win from reverse direction 90% of the time
robsclone: for b
Falcon89 [5k\]: k6 cut hoping
Kito [?\]: can anyone tell me what a 'moyo' is?
oonicks: so mayb teh best move
Long [?\]: b win this  game, good night so sleepy
Canarmane [-\]: moyo is shape of territory without territory
botBot [?\]: moyo = huge terrorties
USSRMan [3d\]: so the self distruct if it is slightly behind thing is a deep flaw
SamSpade [2d\]: moyo is a big open area
fanweiqi [9d\]: Oh my god alphago won
KoyoToya [-\]: it's a territorial framework kito
mtarn567 [6k\]: moyo is like a framework 
TheBear [9k\]: lol
robsclone: Kito:  http://senseis.xmp.net/?Moyo
Bisqwit [-\]: Kito: Moyo is influence, a framework of your stones facing outwards
Burton [6k\]: moyo is large area of influence that might become territory
geomav [7k\]: study go terms here http://senseis.xmp.net/
Tictactoe [-\]: many go-terms can be found at sensei.xmp.net, bookmark it
Tonight [5k\]: j3 ??? why?
robsclone: fanweiqi ?
Azal [2d\]: fanweiqi wanna share ur thoughts
shahzaib48 [12k\]: moyo is a captured stone.
mtarn567 [6k\]: kinda like making an investment for cash later on. 
Bisqwit [-\]: no
Iniesta [2k\]: j3 protects the corner ?
oscarlai14: moyo is a female name
botBot [?\]: moyo is not captured stone
USSRMan [3d\]: if it makes moves like j3, it thinks it is massively ahead
stokastick [8k?\]: j3 attacks K8
fanweiqi [9d\]: this seems like a conservative move while winning
gogonuts [4d\]: wow
USSRMan [3d\]: in % chance of winning at least
GoIngo [?\]: @fanweiqi: why do you say so now?
gogonuts [4d\]: making fun of b :-)
Hobbes [1k\]: c7
fanweiqi [9d\]: the s9r9... are all sente so there's huge thickness
Chmol [5d\]: should b play j6 or is it much too slow?
aham [7k\]: c8
fanweiqi [9d\]: the middle points is not so large
gogonuts [4d\]: J3 is actually huge
XiJinping2 [2k\]: J3 turns some black territory into white territory (double gain), protects corner a bit more, puts pressure on K8 cut, protects wC7 moyo area 
Tictactoe [-\]: sedol is now intensely reading and calculating the board
aham [7k\]: l10
XiJinping2 [2k\]: J3 is big
Iniesta [2k\]: why gogo nuts ?
fanweiqi [9d\]: i mean, they can't be reduced much
gogonuts [4d\]: c23 does less now too for b
DrSFBrains [1k\]: Can B play C3?
gogonuts [4d\]: c3
XiJinping2 [2k\]: And J3 turns G7 area into potential moyo
urungu [2d\]: j6 would be very slow
fanweiqi [9d\]: Lee will have to make something like yesterday happen again
Bisqwit [-\]: I like that Garlock brought up talk about the handicap system. During slow times, introduce Go concepts to newbies. Assuming there's still any watching the match :)
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Potential moyo is like potential potential territory :)
go7734 [4d\]: j3 also helps the center by making b need to spend more moves defending the cut
mtarn567 [6k\]: hmm w plans for a cut at k6? 
wossname [?\]: isuspect lee considered j3
Blitzbold [2d?\]: potential moyo is more like potential potential
gogonuts [4d\]: if c3 then  c4 d3 b3 
USSRMan [3d\]: the commentator described it as finding the needle in the haystack
Trevoke [?\]: 52k people watching, gotta be at least one beginner in there
wossname [?\]: Just Maybe
XiJinping2 [2k\]: Bisqwit - Garlick is doing just fine as a commentator
USSRMan [3d\]: the one thing alphago missed
wossname [?\]: HE MIght hahve, 
robsclone: true. J3 seems really large, but none of the streams i'm on seem to be so concerned
jellyroll [4k?\]: REdmond is funny...
wossname [?\]: kind of crzy but he might have
wossname [?\]: but i dunno, im just a spectator here
geomav [7k\]: white can easy cut off g12???
Pou7 [2d\]: garlick lol
Azal [2d\]: ke jie left?
Bisqwit [-\]: XiJin: Yeah, some people don't like him, but I agree.
Badduck [2d?\]: i dont get j3
XiJinping2 [2k\]: "Wow. Huh. That's an interesting move." Redmond on the black move just now (not posted yet)
fanweiqi [9d\]: man, this move
Tictactoe [-\]: redmond says europeans 1d will probably win over toppro on H9
Iniesta [2k\]: i dont understant why j3 so big
DrSFBrains [1k\]: J11 played?
Trevoke [?\]: TTT B j11 
]
;B[ii]C[XiJinping2 [2k\]: "Wow. Huh. That's an interesting move."  Redmond on bJ11 which has been played in actual game now
aham [7k\]: yo
fanweiqi [9d\]: but there is still hope, Yesterday did happen
robsclone: hmm
fanweiqi [9d\]: alphago is not alphagod
Bisqwit [-\]: :=
USSRMan [3d\]: not yet
robsclone: i'm not so sure about j11, either
fanweiqi [9d\]: it does not consider everything yet
gogonuts [4d\]: I'm very impressed by j3
igoAggie [2k\]: Does LSD plan to retire and move the US this year? 
Rexxar [1k\]: why is black suddenly not favorable anymore?
go7734 [4d\]: black was never favorable
USSRMan [3d\]: it plays like a god, but has the heart of a MC bot
gogonuts [4d\]: empty struggle for b now, imo
DrSFBrains [1k\]: Same question as Rexxar...
Iniesta [2k\]: j3 looks slow
Bisqwit [-\]: Face of a horse. I don't think I have heard that term before
JunLing [1k\]: Lee aims to N9 ?
botBot [?\]: j3 is huge move
aham [7k\]: c8
]
;W[hh]C[igoAggie [2k\]: Horse face and dogs face are two common shapes, I think
danielhast [3k\]: empty triangle tesuji
paysonfox [9k\]: J3 prepares for the cut at k7 iniesta
USSRMan [3d\]: it was only move
Badduck [2d?\]: lee cant cut here?
Rexxar [1k\]: elephant, dragon - so many animals in go
bababobo [1d?\]: w always has q9 etc in sente to geta a cut at n9
wossname [?\]: dont tell elee what he can or can not cut
Bisqwit [-\]: The monkey is still my favourite
KoyoToya [-\]: There's also dog and house
KoyoToya [-\]: Horse*
KoyoToya [-\]: And monkey
KoyoToya [-\]: And tiger
Cyphase [?\]: Lee was about to play around G8; he pulled back at the last second
bababobo [1d?\]: b cannot afford to give up q8 ?
aham [7k\]: l10
]
;B[hj]C[hkterry [3d\]: And chicken
Bisqwit [-\]: In every match so far Lee has had at least one helicopter hand moment
Crono9987 [3d\]: i'm having trouble finding the ke jie stream
Crono9987 [3d\]: does anyone have the working link?
botBot [?\]: q8 alive
robsclone: http://sports.letv.com/match/122345003.html#live/1020160303213534
Blitzbold [2d?\]: qbababobo: to get what in return?
robsclone: Crono9987
Crono9987 [3d\]: thanks :)
Iniesta [2k\]: ke jie very surprised by h3..
Iniesta [2k\]: j3
Julian1d: AlphaGo probably has both bugs / design flaws and a suboptimal neural network. Both are very likely to get fixed, probably within months.
botBot [?\]: Remember. AlphaGo is still a Prototype, its not even in Beta
Canarmane [-\]: G11
Cyphase [?\]: whaa, stream lost 22 seconds
Azal [2d\]: redmon says he fells b has an advantage
]
;W[gi]C[Becubio [4k\]: LSD is trying with simples tesujis, but the one of 78 move was hypercomplex, not like this
GoIngo [?\]: cs eval: 26 % for black now
Julian1d: Humans will likely also get stronger in response. :)
robsclone: Julian1d: but, the "fixing" of the bugs, could introduce more
igoAggie [2k\]: Does CS have all the life and death worked out? 
Iniesta [2k\]: j3 bad for ke jie
Rexxar [1k\]: redmond says b good, i believe redmond
robsclone: i think b is still good, personally
Sabbaticus [6k\]: Can somebody explain to me why crazy stone's evaluation matters? It's only 5 dan and it's a bot, right?
Iniesta [2k\]: center bigger
Azal [2d\]: what says ke jie ?
hugo [1k\]: where can we check CS eval?
aham [7k\]: white has no eye
igoAggie [2k\]: Redmond is much more reliable than CS.
m1m [1k\]: cs might misread right side
robsclone: what b has, they securely have.  w has a lot of things that are potential, but not concrete
botBot [?\]: score estimate dont matter... stop giving the %
GoIngo [?\]: not worked out, but it changes only 8 %
Iniesta [2k\]: j3 odd for ke jie
oscarlai14: Computer value network shows overall ( 100th ) Black 55% White 45%
geomav [7k\]: CS stream shows what it thinks is settled... toggles on occaisionally on stream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60VABUREwOY
Iniesta [2k\]: but not necessarly bad
kadoban [?\]: Sabbaticus: Only because it's easy to ask it and it gives a precise judgement.
leachy [2k\]: exactly sabbaticus but it gives some idea of how alphago is thinking considering it's cousins with crazystone really
Blitzbold [2d?\]: ... for example in game 3 crazystone would have played from move 14 the bad fight for lee the same way than alpha
Yumi [7d\]: link to ke jie stream?
USSRMan [3d\]: its design flaw is the MC heart
robsclone: oh, lol, a crazystone feed
robsclone: interesting
Bisqwit [-\]: I'm not sure I understand how to read that CS screen, even though I can read some Japanese
robsclone: thank you geomav
geomav [7k\]: roger...its a few moves behind
leachy [2k\]: SE is normally reliable but not here
robsclone: Redmond says "I would be worried"
oonicks: thwere is no miai for tesuji
Blitzbold [2d?\]: se is what?
]
;B[gj]C[igoAggie [2k\]: Score estimator. 
Bisqwit [-\]: KGS client feature.
Yumi [7d\]: SE and reliable should never be in the same sentence
Blitzbold [2d?\]: se is normally what?
igoAggie [2k\]: If you settle the life and death on the right you can get an estimate from SE
MMXVI [3k\]: which is invalid for Chinese rules
Baymax [15k?\]: sorry for my silly ddk question, white is dead in the right side?
Iniesta [2k\]: http://sports.letv.com/match/122345003.html#live/1020160303213534
Rexxar [1k\]: w ded
Iniesta [2k\]: ke jie stream
weirdchess [-\]: yes baymax
Blitzbold [2d?\]: ... and se, reliable and chinese scoring...
leachy [2k\]: but SE kills b j16 group as well etc. and gives no points anywhere else
kadoban [?\]: baymax: Yes on the bottom right there.
Azal [2d\]: oscarlai14 how do u know that?? 
Bisqwit [-\]: SE is normally a funny toy that may or may not have value.
weirdchess [-\]: and dont apologize for asking a good question baymax
robsclone: SE seems to give b a +2, if you realize that the top-center b group is not dead
oldguy [4d\]: w is dead
Baymax [15k?\]: oh thank you
kaliya [-\]: Who is this blond guy?
oldguy [4d\]: sorry w
sprouts [1d\]: Doesn't this destroy b17 endgame?
robsclone: i think this is a guy on the AG team
USSRMan [3d\]: b plans to n9
Becubio [4k\]: W j10
Blitzbold [2d?\]: w is dead lower right, but nearly all w stones that might appear in r10 area are sente
leachy [2k\]: right poor b17 
oldguy [4d\]: w is dead, I lost my mind
Iniesta [2k\]: ke jie w should go to the corner now
oldguy [4d\]: my apology
]
;W[cn]C[bababobo [1d?\]: sometime w will play c5 & try to win on points
Ephidel [1k\]: whoa
Canarmane [-\]: ouch
USSRMan [3d\]: ke is sharp
robsclone: AG doesn't change "during the match" - so they are tweaking in-between games/
Azal [2d\]: mmmmmm
hio: why do they interview guys during match
Ephidel [1k\]: the corner can still be ko
leachy [2k\]: ? means b can still make ko, no?
Badduck [2d?\]: c6? y ot c5?
hio: stop doing that i want to hear redmond
USSRMan [3d\]: no this is not ko
USSRMan [3d\]: but bad aji
MMXVI [3k\]: to fill the time and inform the viewers, hio
GoIngo [?\]: another homerun move
Kountch [1k\]: no ko at c3?
leachy [2k\]: ok thanks USSRman
Julian1d: Deepmind team monitors AlphaGo's sympathetic nervous system. ;)
jellyroll [4k?\]: seems like b could just lay waste to center.... allow corner?
Bisqwit [-\]: robs: I did not listen, but IIRC they are not tweaking it in between of games.
oonicks: it evaluates teh value of lees moves
glasszee [2k\]: perhaps works better with c10
Deterra [11k?\]: They haven't modified AlphaGo through all 5 games of the match
gogonuts [4d\]: c6 looks fishy through human eyes
Blitzbold [2d?\]: c6 better connection to c10 stones ?
Canarmane [-\]: that's a real big corner for w
oonicks: so that is how it is supposed not to beat players to pulp
robsclone: Bisqwit thank you :) i haven't caught them saying that yet, but was wondering
USSRMan [3d\]: lee might think c3 immedately?
USSRMan [3d\]: as a probe
wossname [?\]: N9 ride or die
hio: Changing AI behavior is too risky
USSRMan [3d\]: n9 was his original plan
hio: and your neuronal network cannot learn big from 4 games
geomav [7k\]: Besides... AG learns by paying millions of games... It can learn from just 3
ntevnwrng [6k?\]: Is b dead at top? or still undecided? 
pipu [5d\]: is there ko in the corner?
go7734 [4d\]: probably
igoAggie [2k\]: I am curious about that myself
Bisqwit [-\]: Yeah, you don't want to make good-intentioned quick fixes that may result in significant drop in the bot's ability because of lack of testing
hio: ntevnsmth> b alive
geomav [7k\]: *cant
paysonfox [9k\]: N9 is in his back pocket, but the C3 invasion or probe looks =good too,
Canarmane [-\]: B is a live, which groul are you thinking?
Blitzbold [2d?\]: b alive on top
jellyroll [4k?\]: c3 or d3
Canarmane [-\]: group*
bruh [4d\]: Yu Changhyuk 9p showed ko in the corner
ffeffsdfef: 0
oldguy [4d\]: I guess Lee is counting
igoAggie [2k\]: Could someone tell us the ko sequence?
mtarn567 [6k\]: b can connect with n13
pipu [5d\]: so corner is 2/3 w terri i guess
stokastick [8k?\]: bruh : what corner ?
robsclone: Bisqwit: lol, that's why I was very interested in if they were trying!  It seems like they're trusting the machine, which i like
bruh [4d\]: bottom left
leachy [2k\]: yes i thought  it was a ko
hio: bottom meft of course
Iniesta [2k\]: w is winning
kadoban [?\]: Bottom left corner? Yeah that's kind of why you usually don't play C6 kind of stuff, though local situation can make the ko not work.
Canarmane [-\]: n13??
igoAggie [2k\]: c3 d3 d2 b2 ?
hio: no way w wins this game
robsclone: inesta: ?
Alekhin: ko is good for b here?
hio: yes
Badduck [2d?\]: maybe reducing w ll is ok for B?
USSRMan [3d\]: hes reading c3 obviously
Eternal6k [4k\]: Only if it lives
hkterry [3d\]: L11 seems better than N9 cutting directly
PaleFire [18k?\]: does C8 work?
robsclone: hmmm
Kountch [1k\]: maybe no ko because of j3
Medieval [2d\]: oh wow
Canarmane [-\]: l11 seems solid but slow?
Medieval [2d\]: this is one of those 3-3 invasion puzzles
Azal [2d\]: l11 seems nice
Iniesta [2k\]: center become smaller
Canarmane [-\]: is l12 better to put a bit mor epressure on the cut point?
alobar [9k\]: welcome the invasion
robsclone: interesting c6.  expected move, but i didn't expect it right now
USSRMan [3d\]: 3-3 invasion will be a probe, see if white trys to kill or make ko
Bisqwit [-\]: CS score estimation screen looks very much like KGS's equivalent. Interesting how it's undecided on the status of R8 and R6
JunLing [1k\]: K13 ? 
Fastnarion [7k\]: haha L11 was already key of previous game :p
hio: c6 does'nt see that expecting to me
Canarmane [-\]: k13 now seems bad i think
Canarmane [-\]: at least at this point
hio: seems*
USSRMan [3d\]: k13 doesnt do anything?
robsclone: definitely not k13
gogonuts [4d\]: i admit that c6 nicely takes b f11 into account
hkterry [3d\]: White can abandon those 3 stones and seal the moyo
jellyroll [4k?\]: not yet on k13... maybe l11?
Canarmane [-\]: if B is playing in w moyo I think l11 or l12 best bet
Blitzbold [2d?\]: if b moves there f11 better than k13 now
Canarmane [-\]: i can't read c3 invade though
USSRMan [3d\]: k13 literally does nothing, why suggest it
m1m [1k\]: b l11 
geomav [7k\]: OH CS is thinking q8 is dead
Julian1d: Aww nice expressions of appreciation between team and commentators.
kaliya [-\]: L11 is a move that would piss off Alpha
Iniesta [2k\]: ke jie recommands l11
papapishu [1d\]: Who can count this position?
gogonuts [4d\]: ke jie wants L11
m1m [1k\]: so alphago has the l11 bug
m1m [1k\]: :)
robsclone: lol
pipu [5d\]: does ke jie still like b? i don't feel like b is ahead...
Blitzbold [2d?\]: omegago could count this
Canarmane [-\]: what stream is ke jie on?
USSRMan [3d\]: i guess n9 no good because white can n10
RyanQu [2d?\]: Kejie is on letv
robsclone: http://sports.letv.com/match/122345003.html#live/1020160303213534 i think Canarmane
Canarmane [-\]: ooh
robsclone: but i can't figure out how to make it go
robsclone: (hehe "go"...)
kaliya [-\]: AHAH the L11 bug
Ephidel [1k\]: does b have ko threats?
bababobo [1d?\]: t5 could give b some trouble
Ephidel [1k\]: it looks like w has many more ko threats
Iniesta [2k\]: ke jie counted if b l 11
Canarmane [-\]: why is l11 better than l12
G361 [10k\]: ^^
geomav [7k\]: they say many threats in bottom right
USSRMan [3d\]: l12 can be cut
hio: pipu> You see w ahead ? w has nothing yet, one open moyo and one no fixed corner
Falcon89 [5k\]: did Ke jie tell us the next B move?
oonicks: l11 can still cut 
Blitzbold [2d?\]: b cant go for ko i guess with w having so many so big threats
m1m [1k\]: is w playing full strength ? what do ppl say
hio: redmond is counting
kadoban [?\]: 63 or 64 for black, 35 conservatively for white on the right - myungwan kim. Sounds like white has enough in the bottom with komi, they seem to like white's position right now.
robsclone: Redmond's counting points at wL11
robsclone: estimating 25-30pts
Iniesta [2k\]: w slighty + for ke jie
nestango [3k\]: Lee loking the corner
Canarmane [-\]: oh boy
Canarmane [-\]: here we go
]
;B[dq]C[robsclone: ohhhhhh
Iniesta [2k\]: 62 for w 65 for b with l11
Plexux9090: WTF
robsclone: Go, Lee!
hio: wow
Sabbaticus [6k\]: well, here we go
Bisqwit [-\]: Wow
Cyphase [?\]: let's get ready to RUMMBLLLEE!!
Iniesta [2k\]: wothout komu
robsclone: yeah, it's starting
robsclone: wow
Falcon89 [5k\]: about time
Blitzbold [2d?\]: ok capsujis needed
hio: real match starts now and i need to go to work
WinPooh [3k\]: Misclick? 
hio: i'm going to be late at work today
robsclone: sorry hio :(
kadoban [?\]: No, that's the move.
Sabbaticus [6k\]: Lee should undo lol
Plexux9090: undo pls
robsclone: lol undo
Plexux9090: haha
nestango [3k\]: : ))
darkronin [2d?\]: oh noes
robsclone: i hope he has a plan...this could...yikes
oonicks: i was thinking over c8 a long while but it seemed to small
Cyphase [?\]: woops, alphago doesn't upport undo yet
Cyphase [?\]: support*
robsclone: haha
Sabbaticus [6k\]: How come everybody thinks W is ahead except for Redmond?
robsclone: try BetaGo for undo support
MMXVI [3k\]: no undo in tournaments
robsclone: Sabbaticus not everyone
matroid: there we go
Plexux9090: ohh come on.. undo pls
Plexux9090: xD
robsclone: i can't wait to see Redmond's reaction when he sees it
USSRMan [3d\]: this is not that surprising
shahzaib48 [12k\]: who is winning atm
Blitzbold [2d?\]: "it might be a bit difficult for b"... he said...
]
;W[cq]C[weaknoob: trying to glitch alpha?
robsclone: attach-cut, eh
]
;B[fq]C[Plexux9090: crosscut?
Canarmane [-\]: ??
Madzilla [1d?\]: surprise!
oonicks: reduction is enough
dehuong [1k\]: what a move
leachy [2k\]: oh nice
robsclone: wow. anybody see wat he's going for?
GoIngo [?\]: when a japanese engineer says "we might have a problem" kill the project immediately
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: kill g3, j3?
PaleFire [18k?\]: isolate G3?
kadoban [?\]: Heh, myungwan kim just showed this. It's because E3 instead dies.
Veivi [6d?\]: smells like a ko 5000 miles away
Canarmane [-\]: ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
Azal [2d\]: g4
Blitzbold [2d?\]: he is just going for not ALL lower left to be w terr
Iniesta [2k\]: w has a lot of ki threats 
kiku: whos winning
Wizardry [4d\]: e3 only?
V [3k\]: Where can I see Myungwan stream?
robsclone: it's close kiku.  I'm still thinking black has better overall-board position
Uberdude [2d\]: g10 mistake? seems like one of those not quite sentes alphago is good at tenuki-ing
Tictactoe [-\]: the audience is winning
Anatoly [2d?\]: Lee is going for ko
Canarmane [-\]: if w e3 won't b just jump out on a merry chase?
gogonuts [4d\]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZPKR7HzM_s
kadoban [?\]: F4, no?
Iniesta [2k\]: ke jie thinks its close but w +
V [3k\]: Thanks!
Aaneliia [10k\]: o.O
Julian1d: Game is close but B territory is secure. W's is not.
oonicks: b is winning +2,5
]
;W[eq]C[Blitzbold [2d?\]: w terr might grow - b's not
leachy [2k\]: seems it a well known tesuji....just found it on josekipedia
robsclone: oooo
kadoban [?\]: Hmm e3, interesting.
]
;B[fp]C[USSRMan [3d\]: e3 feels standard
robsclone: nice, Lee
GoRoGoRo [7k?\]: nicely
glasszee [2k\]: oh my
glasszee [2k\]: is j3 going to be split?
Canarmane [-\]: if b can get f2 at some point..
leachy [2k\]: j3 so useful here
Canarmane [-\]: this is a diabolical invade
hkterry [3d\]: J3 is crying
zia [2d\]: g2
Canarmane [-\]: if b runs up it is a big reduction, potential kill too
GoRoGoRo [7k?\]: j6 now
zia [2d\]: no, g4
Alekhin: does that mean that J3 was relly a mistake?
USSRMan [3d\]: j6 is bad
Iniesta [2k\]: ke jie thinks lee behind
Canarmane [-\]: we'll find out Alekhin
Azal [2d\]: w avoiding every ko ...
PaleFire [18k?\]: G10 was made in preparation of this invade ?
GoRoGoRo [7k?\]: j6 = deviol's move
Becubio [4k\]: e4 or g4
robsclone: man i wish i could hear sedol's thinking..in english
GoRoGoRo [7k?\]: *devil
]
;W[gp]C[dehuong [1k\]: oh
leachy [2k\]: yeah alphago seems programmed to try and avoid ko to my mind
hio: how lee sedol can be behind with all w strange moves
USSRMan [3d\]: this move makes sense
Madzilla [1d?\]: pushing from behind looks ugly
gogonuts [4d\]: uh oh
USSRMan [3d\]: f2 ok nw
GoIngo [?\]: g4 was expected by little brother cs
kadoban [?\]: Aiming at cut?
robsclone: hio: there hav really been very few strange moves.  each seems so far, to have future-potential
Canarmane [-\]: f2 feels like bad timing here
Alekhin: alphago probably  calculated the ko treaths value already
USSRMan [3d\]: white can f2
gogonuts [4d\]: b gets nothing?
robsclone: white f2 would be a thing
robsclone: could*
]
;B[do]C[Canarmane [-\]: ??
Intagrand [?\]: Crazystone says 26.6% for Black.
USSRMan [3d\]: oh
USSRMan [3d\]: nice
nestango [3k\]: hoo
Alekhin: nice
G361 [10k\]: Subtil ...
mozarto [?\]: Lee w ?
wossname [?\]: wow... turns out lee sedol knows how to play go
USSRMan [3d\]: can black f2 afterwards?
Canarmane [-\]: b gets f6 now, no?
gogonuts [4d\]: good attempt at d5 ...
wossname [?\]: im shocked
Tonight [5k\]: lee is black
Iniesta [2k\]: ke jie : looking very bleak
Cyphase [?\]: whou'da thought
geomav [7k\]: Niotice that CS thinks q8 s6 is dead
Ephidel [1k\]: looking bleak for whom?
GoIngo [?\]: cs conter at f5
Azal [2d\]: mmmm
robsclone: d5, eh
gogonuts [4d\]: AG making J3 work
robsclone: oh!!
USSRMan [3d\]: then CS is highly unreliable right now
Julian1d: Lee actually asked to play black in game 5, after game 4. :)
go7734 [4d\]: cs estimation function is not related to the cs win % function
go7734 [4d\]: afaik
Canarmane [-\]: b will g5 maybe?
geomav [7k\]: yea CS is lower than reality
robsclone: moyo for that bottom-left-center area huh?
Iniesta [2k\]:  someone asked ke jie where black lost the lead, he responded with J16 + K18 
Canarmane [-\]: i'm confused what Lee is looking for
paysonfox [9k\]: the shape in the lower left is the same as AlPHAGO played against Lee in game 4 --- the double atari is in a similar place too
geomav [7k\]: ko icomplexity?
superpal1 [1d\]: reduced bottom n getting sente to move to l11
robsclone: it looks like he forced AG into battling for the corner, when he was looking to go more center of the board
GoIngo [?\]: even with extra black stone on r7 cs thinks only 35 %
weaknoob: tried to lader up to l6 didn't work
]
;W[co]C[oscarlai14: Lee is waving his hands at the bottom left and set up a territory reducing trap there
]
;B[ep]C[robsclone: that seems kind of brilliant to me, oscarlai14
Canarmane [-\]: :o
G361 [10k\]: b2
a1328 [3k\]: everybody here,,,, Not play
weaknoob: scraping points off the board
G361 [10k\]: d2, pardon.
Intagrand [?\]: D2 forced?
candala [2k\]: d2 e2 f2 
go7734 [4d\]: yes
robsclone: i like it
]
;W[dr]C[Rexxar [1k\]: does somebody know the strength of the ag operator?
Ephidel [1k\]: 6d
blau3: g5 now a nice point for B
mfg: 5d
USSRMan [3d\]: hes quite strong
bababobo [1d?\]: Lee goes for 'troublemaker' style, nice.
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: i heard 5d
]
;B[er]C[USSRMan [3d\]: kgs 6d i think
goalie [13k\]: KO time
mtarn567 [6k\]: and there is ko
USSRMan [3d\]: which is a lot stronger than aga 6d
gogonuts [4d\]: just connect
Canarmane [-\]: i bet AG will refuse the ko
leachy [2k\]: they should have got a small child to put the stones on for alphago
Azal [2d\]: sure 
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: no reason to play a ko connect is ok
Azal [2d\]: bad ko for w
go7734 [4d\]: d3 g2 is likely
MMXVI [3k\]: from this viewpoint, I just say "high-dan"              
robsclone: hahaha
USSRMan [3d\]: the ko favors black because white has so much more to lose
mtarn567 [6k\]: f2? 
USSRMan [3d\]: everyone will refuse the ko
robsclone: train a cute squirrel :-p
blau3: w d3 b g2 looks very painful for W
lofuchi [3k\]: b so happy with this result
wossname [?\]: white f6 is scry future
Alekhin: they should have put a hikaru cosplayer for alphago
robsclone: e2, hm
hkterry [3d\]: :o)
leachy [2k\]: heh alekhin that would be awesome
Tictactoe [-\]: aja huang is making the moves for alphago on the board, he is aga 5d for sure, maybe aga 6d
go7734 [4d\]: AG operator is 9d on tygem and strong enough people suspected he was alphago before alphago game 1
bababobo [1d?\]: troublemaker = low kyu with insight
blau3: Alekhin: maybe the costume for Aja has already been prepared
hkterry [3d\]: for ajahuang?
hkterry [3d\]: lol
blau3: for after the game, that is
Azal [2d\]: seems bad result for b here
robsclone: has AG made many ko-threats, this series?
gogonuts [4d\]: lee should have requested gu li to make the bot moves - he always plays best against gu li :-)
]
;W[dq]C[IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: isnt lee just making a weak group for no reason?
candala [2k\]: wkwk
robsclone: Redmond's calling G2
robsclone: for w
Intagrand [?\]: Crazy said G2 too
leachy [2k\]: barcode, it reduces the white potential here
kadoban [?\]: Not for no reason, this came about due to a reduction/invasion.
Azal [2d\]: g2..
ffeffsdfef: I SAID G2 BEFORE ALL
USSRMan [3d\]: blck should g2
kaliya [-\]: Yes G2, and suddenly Alpha has a weak group in B framework
Canarmane [-\]: g2?
Tictactoe [-\]: but aja huang been modest in tournament inscription too, giving 4d rank to compete in the top macmahonleague in tournaments
Blitzbold [2d?\]: lee is making two weak groups 1 black and 1 white and the reason is to not lose the game
robsclone: yep
Cyphase [?\]: robsclone, for black, which he did
tengen9001: its g2
Azal [2d\]: w f6
robsclone: oh shoot i'm sorry i meant for b thank you Cyphase
Canarmane [-\]: g3 group can still escape, no?
kaliya [-\]: I think that G3 should live locally
]
;B[gr]C[AkiSanKaku [-\]: Crazy max 2d EFG
USSRMan [3d\]: g3 is a move everyone would play
bababobo [1d?\]: f5
]
;W[fo]C[superpal1 [1d\]: \\o/ lee sedol \\o/
Azal [2d\]: b seems kinda dead...
go7734 [4d\]: f5 and f6 then b has to escape still
Badduck [2d?\]: anyone expected f5?
pipu [5d\]: aja used to be 6d kgs
go7734 [4d\]: it's hard for b to escape
Cyphase [?\]: i thought about it
USSRMan [3d\]: 6d kgs is very strong
Cyphase [?\]: i wouldn't say "expected"
Kountch [1k\]: Second line
G361 [10k\]: e5
pipu [5d\]: lee must have read this though... this is the obvious line
robsclone: i did not expect f5...but can see it.  i think there's a jump towards maybe j3 coming
GoIngo [?\]: cs expected f5
USSRMan [3d\]: pro 1p strength is just 7-8d kgs
]
;B[eo]C[bababobo [1d?\]: now w is troublemaker
Wizardry [4d\]: wrong
jellyroll [4k?\]: just
pipu [5d\]: euro/US pro 1p maybe :)
indogo [5k?\]: ?
go7734 [4d\]: i don't see the black escape but maybe there is something with the g5 cut
JunLing [1k\]: w 
blau3: if B gets g5 in sente he might even be able to afford to sacrifice f3, or is he?
Wizardry [4d\]: pro rankings aren't an indicator of strength
]
;W[fn]C[mke [1k\]: redmond says b can connect at h2
jowzer [2d?\]: black H3 incoming
G361 [10k\]: j2
JunLing [1k\]: h3
Intagrand [?\]: F, 6 30% CS 2013
PaleFire [18k?\]: white hassolid shape
superpal1 [1d\]: oh no b looks dead
Canarmane [-\]: b isn't dead
USSRMan [3d\]: i think black can live, but white is fine
blau3: b j4 also a nice point to play on
goalie [13k\]: kind of dead
physics [2k\]: Sedol black?
USSRMan [3d\]: no attack can be made against it
kadoban [?\]: Black must have a plan, this was a pretty obvious start to the sequence.
pipu [5d\]: i think you might be right USSR
Canarmane [-\]: b and w both live
robsclone: i agree USSRMan
Ray [9k?\]: if black is dead im a ghost
jowzer [2d?\]: Physics, yes
robsclone: lol Ray
physics [2k\]: Thanks
shahzaib48 [12k\]: Did
jellyroll [4k?\]: w aim at l6 cut
go7734 [4d\]: white attacking both groups now
ivoSF [2d\]: how is he going to sacrefice it?
mfg: w j6? interesting
SpicySpice [12k\]: if white playes h2 how can black live?
goren22 [2k\]: B middle will die
Turnipsi [1k\]: pro rank means how many games have been won during the pro career - regardless of the amount of lost games or the strength of opponents, can be any strenght up from amateur 7d really
pipu [5d\]: wa h2 j6 played
Azal [2d\]: i think ... too hard now
grolich [-\]: And Ke Jie seems to like white now as well... oh boy, this is getting "interesting"
pipu [5d\]: w wants to kill center
mke [1k\]: b can cut at j4
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: h2
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: wasplayed
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: i thought h3
Azal [2d\]: h2,j6
Azal [2d\]: pls
mtarn567 [6k\]: I saw the k6 cut when w played j3 lol
go7734 [4d\]: the p4 for o5 exchange could become very useful for w
shahzaib48 [12k\]: J4!
]
;B[hr]
;W[in]C[dehuong [1k\]: what
leachy [2k\]: please some patience, tictactoe is human after all
robsclone: oh i'm very hoping for Redmond's readout here
Canarmane [-\]: h2 too soft
USSRMan [3d\]: wow
Tictactoe [-\]: cat needed to be fed, high priority work ^^
JunLing [1k\]: extremely fast answer
RyanQu [2d?\]: IIIllIIll0...good nick name
Moiraine [12k?\]: this move brilliant
G361 [10k\]: Blanc a joué bien vite., là ...
robsclone: tictactoe is doing amazingly :() I appreciate this being here, so very much
jowzer [2d?\]: of course tictactoe!
sheeryjay [?\]: :D totally understood, animals come first :-)
Azal [2d\]: this seems so painful
dehuong [1k\]: English, please
Azal [2d\]: j3
Hyaki [6k\]: save the cat of course
SpicySpice [12k\]: how does black live on the bottom left corner though?
w2w: k2
kiku: OUCH
papapishu [1d\]: where i can foudn go ranking?
robsclone: tictactoe: thank you!
Canarmane [-\]: how does it die?
bababobo [1d?\]: i think center can look after itself. b should consolidate lower side.
SpicySpice [12k\]: if cutat J2 i dont see 2 eyes
go7734 [4d\]: black can escape to the bottom
ArcticDawn [6k\]: right side of w is weak
USSRMan [3d\]: k2 is such a painful life lol
Badduck [2d?\]: hm w seems  better now :-(
]
;B[ir]C[Canarmane [-\]: painful but the route is there
]
;W[jq]C[kace [3k\]: www.goratings.org 
zia [2d\]: J6 good shape
papapishu [1d\]: ty
superpal1 [1d\]: now center b looks dead
USSRMan [3d\]: but the invasion at d3 didnt accomplish anything
mtarn567 [6k\]: j6 also protects any cuts by setting up short ladders into its influence. 
leachy [2k\]: j6 makes k7 cut available
robsclone: j6 very good shape...
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: crawling on line 2 @_@
wossname [?\]: to be fair, whtie corner was bigger before ussrmn
tengen9001: pro-style
pipu [5d\]: does w need to kill?
weaknoob: should of went L11 instead of going into the corner
wossname [?\]: didnt accomplsh anything beyond redistribution of points
oonicks: g2 bit suspect
]
;B[kr]C[superpal1 [1d\]: l2
botBot [?\]: painful to crawl
wossname [?\]: b had no way to make points at bottom after j3
wossname [?\]: now, he has taken from w
HandA [2d?\]: F11 is not enough to conneect
superpal1 [1d\]: cnter fight now
weaknoob: Alpha going L11 next?\\
superpal1 [1d\]: center
leachy [2k\]: painful but now w has to connect anyway
bababobo [1d?\]: humble but seems to work
robsclone: center fight next, yeah i feel like so superpal1
dehuong [1k\]: what if W cuts k8 
gogonuts [4d\]: j3 really made fumbling around in the corner painful for b
lofuchi [3k\]: can w cut
HandA [2d?\]: L7 and black is dead
robsclone: ?
Canarmane [-\]: you can't cut k8 i think
Azal [2d\]: i think w will just play aroind l11
jellyroll [4k?\]: b has f11... 
blau3: what's the count assuming B gets B9 and T12 to play?
narugo [1d\]: black has f11 to connect?
indogo [5k?\]: l3
HandA [2d?\]: F11 is not enough
robsclone: bF11 will hope to happen at some point
Julian1d: J6 very nice.
]
;W[jr]C[shahzaib48 [12k\]: The pressure of cutting from N9 and K13
leachy [2k\]: w can cut l7 but the w j6 group isn't alive
shahzaib48 [12k\]: I think will allow to connect with F11
]
;B[js]C[Ahamay [7d?\]: demis hassabis tweeted that alphago missed a tesuji at the beginning - probably T6?
shahzaib48 [12k\]: - 12 kyu level answer so I dont actually know anything
shahzaib48 [12k\]: im just guessing lel
lofuchi [3k\]: well why k2
bababobo [1d?\]: b at f7 does not really harm lower group
USSRMan [3d\]: if you k2, you have to l3
DrSFBrains [2k\]: L7 - K7 - K6 - N9 ---> big fight
Iniesta [2k\]:  Ke Jie: once w gets sente and closes the middle, it'll be w65 vs b68
USSRMan [3d\]: k2 loses liberty
go7734 [4d\]: don't have to play l3 right away
robsclone: DrSFBrains :thumbsup:
pipu [5d\]: wow ke jie so accurate
go7734 [4d\]: w has some aji but playing n3 after a cut at l7
weiqi5 [3k?\]: Kim also sees AlphaGo front with around 5 points
lofuchi [3k\]: so i don't see why alphago play k2
lofuchi [3k\]: strange
Turnipsi [1k\]: redmond guessed that the policy network didn't see t6, that would explain the whole n6 cut
Tictactoe [-\]: alphago notably wastes kodate
robsclone: lol i'm so sorry for noobness, but how do I get ke jie's stream going?  it prompts me with something that I can't seem to click
kadoban [?\]: alphago seems to like unnecessary sente moves, it's a bit odd but it doesn't seem to hurt anything I guess.
weiqi5 [3k?\]: probably playing safe already
]
;W[kq]C[gogonuts [4d\]: kadoban - it is a drawback, but not a big enough one :-)
robsclone: kadoban i think the most interesting thing, is how it "doesn't seem to hurt anything" in those moves
]
;B[lr]C[oonicks: mayb because it plays no kos and it is not a kothreat it looks like a point
DrSFBrains [2k\]: SE has been worthless for most of the whole game.
Canarmane [-\]: m5
kadoban [?\]: robsclone: Well, I mean a lot of them are just style things that we're told not to play just in case ... so I don't think it's *too* surprising that they're not game losing or anything.
kaliya [-\]: In the Alpha-Ke Jie match, I want to move on the goban for Alpha
Moiraine [12k?\]: is there a count?
weiqi5 [3k?\]: ALphaGo just *knows* when it doesn't matter - there's no "just in case"!
kadoban [?\]: Consensus seems to be w+a few after komi.
USSRMan [3d\]: l11 probably
kadoban [?\]: weiqi5: It's not yet god.
]
;W[lq]C[weiqi5 [3k?\]: sure?
ivoSF [2d\]: i got a feeling its about after m3 will black do n2 or n3, if he does n2 it gains a pont
]
;B[mq]C[Canarmane [-\]: m5 cut incoming
kadoban [?\]: weiqi5: Sure. It's lost a game.
goalie [13k\]: cut
kiku: CUT
weiqi5 [3k?\]: maybe it was benevolent?
weiqi5 [3k?\]: ;)
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: k7?
jowzer [2d?\]: N3 isn't necessary
tjn4fh814: can we speak of knowledge with ag tyo?
Intagrand [?\]: CS Keeps saying F6 as the best move for black by a big margin
Canarmane [-\]: well, i say "cut"
goalie [13k\]: swimming time
robsclone: kadoban well yes, that's true.  I gess I'm surprised at how it can pull out something almost surprisingly from something I would normally feel like would normally be disregarded
tjn4fh814: (type of ai)
kadoban [?\]: weiqi5: Haha, nice theory.
oonicks: any hints on what alphago and lee produced in chinese characters?
dehuong [1k\]: who is leading?
Deterra [11k?\]: It feels like white is playing unnecessarily heavily because it is hell-bent on getting back those lost white stones in the bottom right corner.
Tictactoe [-\]: why would you think m5 is a cut, n6 is caught
windows [5k\]: who is leading?
USSRMan [3d\]: m3?
USSRMan [3d\]: what the
ivoSF [2d\]: if white get e6 its not sente, but if black push at h3 there is a swqueeze
USSRMan [3d\]: thats clearly bad move
Kobor42 [?\]: Which color Lee?
robsclone: windows: it's a battle
mfg: if AG had won 5 games it would have been perceived as skynet and thus terminated
robsclone: Lee is black
hio: Lee is b
NoSeki [5k?\]: Lee b
Canarmane [-\]: n2
tengen9001: who is leading? = AlphaGo by 3 matches
Canarmane [-\]: is played
DrSFBrains [2k\]: n2
jowzer [2d?\]: what
pipu [5d\]: did ke jie criticize any b moves much? i feel like k18 was the weirdest
DrSFBrains [2k\]: and then o2
goalie [13k\]: K7
Tictactoe [-\]: counts vary from black to white leaing by 2.5
kadoban [?\]: wat
wossname [?\]: lol
OscarU [2d\]: this is the first match
leachy [2k\]: hmm after w l7 k7 k6 n9 m9 n10 m10 n11 m11 q10 n12, then b e7 f7 e8 f8 f8 f9 won't quite connect but can capture with c8 i think
Turnipsi [1k\]: n2...
jellyroll [4k?\]: alpha losing it again....
robsclone: leacy hmmmm
USSRMan [3d\]: self destruct mode
OscarU [2d\]: just one match ahead
kaliya [-\]: N2? What's that shit
hkterry [3d\]: :o)
Ray [9k?\]: what the....
oonicks: i think it would simulate old bot errors to convincingly loose?
icyblizard [4k\]: ragemode: on
Aaneliia [10k\]: e)_e)
]
;W[mr]C[Deterra [11k?\]: N2 then O2
]
;B[nr]C[go7734 [4d\]: n2 still isn't bad just... waste of ko threat
Canarmane [-\]: kaliya don't swear
USSRMan [3d\]: well, then it is bad
Badduck [2d?\]: timesuji
indogo [5k?\]: here we go ;(
USSRMan [3d\]: theres no reason to play it ever
go7734 [4d\]: timesuji
Ray [9k?\]: gg
python112: what
goalie [13k\]: F1 ?
narugo [1d\]: maybe alpha go sees all moves give same result 3-2 tournament win
robsclone: corner and the center coming up, looks like
Deterra [11k?\]: These are Thank-you moves.
indogo [5k?\]: this is certain AG bugs
Tictactoe [-\]: n2 throws once more threats at the board without a reason, one should save these moves for kodate
USSRMan [3d\]: theses are common bot errors
GoIngo [?\]: @narugp: nice one
USSRMan [3d\]: seems AG has not fixed it
Canarmane [-\]: j9!
leachy [2k\]: bot can't distinguish a forcing sequence followed by normal moves from the normal moves themselves....has no idea of ko threats or aji-keshi
Julian1d: Redmond ignores AG. ;)
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: ag doesnt want k threats
Azal [2d\]: pain...
MMXVI [3k\]: AlphaGo is not being tweaked during the match
]
;W[ik]C[HandA [2d?\]: AG in panic mode?
superpal1 [1d\]: here it goes
dehuong [1k\]: painful
robsclone: uh-oh
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: finally
Ray [9k?\]: garbageeee
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: center battle
kadoban [?\]: J9 looks interesting
Canarmane [-\]: j8?
Deterra [11k?\]: Canarmane - good call
USSRMan [3d\]: ajikeshi probably too abstract to program
robsclone: j9 could potentially be interesting
oonicks: its just thinking it is ahead and making too few points i think (re:common bot error)
robsclone: i don't like it, but
ffeffsdfef: narrator needs to stop using redmond as his own simulator
jellyroll [4k?\]: j9 seems odd
leachy [2k\]: looks interesting but w g5 group not alive
goalie [13k\]: let 's rock
robsclone: yes leachy - good call!
leachy [2k\]: so just j8 looks strong
aham [7k\]: j8
weiqi5 [3k?\]: Kim: "O Wow!"
robsclone: lol
Canarmane [-\]: h8 maybe better than j8?
indogo [5k?\]: k9
robsclone: "it's not as bad as the moves int he 4th game" - Redmond
Ray [9k?\]: ^
narugo [1d\]: if black is ahead this is should "easy" for lee
js13 [1k\]: I think, beginner pro could compete with alphago
kadoban [?\]: js13: Based on?
robsclone: Kim Myungwan is thinking hard about it, and thinking it's still not a big move...but he's curious what he might not be seeing, it looks
asdfa: theres no such thing as beginner pro
hio: "slighr advantage for b" Redmond
Intagrand [?\]: misquotes
robsclone: js13: i'm pretty interested to see how AlphaGo deals with "amateur" moves
Naphthalin [11k?\]: hio, he said "slight advante" if w played just l11
aham [7k\]: h3
dxxd [1k\]: this seems like The move of the game
Cyphase [?\]: i just realized; Lee has super-hearing and can hear Redmond's commentary
robsclone: does it?
OscarU [2d\]: I think this is a conspiracy,  they didn't put more pressure on AG after they knew they had won the match :P
hio: that's why redmond guess all moves
ivoSF [2d\]: l10 looks flexible
robsclone: hahahaha hio and Cyphase
tjn4fh814: he could as well gopogle the next move
robsclone: that would be silly 
aham [7k\]: h3
Iniesta [2k\]: Ke Jie: could see a trade, but w would still be ahead after that 
Hyaki [6k\]: the cat is hungry
robsclone: worried about this center, now
kaliya [-\]: need to play light
Cyphase [?\]: O.o new google search feature; alphago returns the best move
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: sabaki
Alekhin: cyphasee, really???
Ray [9k?\]: "if black gets more points, hes likely to win the game." -Chris Garlock
Becubio [4k\]: inevitable cut, b is lost
Arcangor [?\]: how much time for Lee remaining?
mtarn567 [6k\]: b will have to play so it still has it's finger in w centre
Canarmane [-\]: "to win the game they need to put the ball in the hoop"
robsclone: Ray: al hail Chris
]
;B[fi]C[HeartXiao [3k\]: seems black will lose
robsclone: lee's got 10min
kaliya [-\]: Well, if B takes 8 points more than W on the board, it wins. Yay! Strange!
robsclone: HeartXiao already can say?  
oonicks: nice trade:)
aham [7k\]: e6
robsclone: yes
weirdchess [-\]: aham b threatens k13
robsclone: um, yes nice trade
Canarmane [-\]: can't e6 i don't think
weiqi5 [3k?\]: Kims only hope is to make some trouble to the K3-group
Julian1d: AlphaGo play is amazing to get to this.
Deterra [11k?\]: This is the closest the clocks have been in all 5 games
Becubio [4k\]: i think b will be disconnected without hope
weiqi5 [3k?\]: Reducing on the right is not enough
Canarmane [-\]: k13 cut is still there which is far bigger
mtarn567 [6k\]: f12? 
Ray [9k?\]: i wish AG would go byoyomi
leachy [2k\]: well, this is a great forcing move....the idea is that now when black e7 f7 e8 et.c 
Deterra [11k?\]: Maybe it will!
JoostW [7k?\]: W tenuki!
robsclone: nice reading leachy
GoIngo [?\]: bots in byoyomi are boring
]
;W[fh]C[Canarmane [-\]: oh wait what why doesn't w f12
KoyoToya [-\]: Does it have the concept of losing on time
leachy [2k\]: thx
Alekhin: I wonder how low ag can go on time? 5s maybe?
Deterra [11k?\]: It must
GoIngo [?\]: they never lose on time
aham [7k\]: ok he threaten k13
Naphthalin [11k?\]: when they were in byo-yomi, it took 30s per move
kaliya [-\]: K13 now? Mm
kaliya [-\]: J8, rather
hojyosoun [1d\]: who's leading ?
Kobor42 [?\]: What's with the b r7 sequence?
JoostW [7k?\]: hmm
weiqi5 [3k?\]: H7?
DrSFBrains [2k\]: very close
leachy [2k\]: would be funny if the bot lost on time because the guy making the moves on th eboard for it is too slow
weiqi5 [3k?\]: :D
Naphthalin [11k?\]: @kobor: white is dead on the right
aham [7k\]: e6 e7 f7 j3 j4
JoostW [7k?\]: can B gain anything with N9?
Cyphase [?\]: i'd guess/hope the timer is triggered by alphago sending the move
Turnipsi [1k\]: aja huang is doing a great job - imagine the stress of misplaying a stone!
]
;B[jk]C[aham [7k\]: ok i'm looking the game
Cyphase [?\]: Aja Huang: "I sat across from Lee Sedol, and he lost 3 times"
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: if he misplays prob can put in right place at some loss of time to computer
Kobor42 [?\]: I see w dead if b r7. But what if w t8
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: that waS the rule in kasparov vs deep blue
leachy [2k\]: w is toast
indogo [5k?\]: yes, playing my move :)
Kobor42 [?\]: Sorry t5
Turnipsi [1k\]: ah that's interesting
hojyosoun [1d\]: so b is winning ?
geomav [7k\]: LS trying to set up N9??
leachy [2k\]: yes easily...
m1m [1k\]: lee was made to crawl on second line
leachy [2k\]: main problem for w is the g5 group
botBot [?\]: not easily
Ray [9k?\]: "...chickens..." -Chris Garlock
robsclone: haha
hojyosoun [1d\]: good to know that LSD is wining
dehuong [1k\]: over 700 obs in this room, we need more than 700 seats
Naphthalin [11k?\]: he isn't
Alekhin: lsd...
Becubio [4k\]: LSD needs to make belive the machine he's completely dead to make a tsuper tesuji and crash the market
Kobor42 [?\]: 699. I am on the toilette
GoIngo [?\]: take my chair  i am standing
Becubio [4k\]: me too
go7734 [4d\]: after game 4 people forgot the first 3 games and took back there bias
]
;W[ij]C[go7734 [4d\]: their*
Canarmane [-\]: the center is starting to look bad for B i think
botBot [?\]: well, deep down everyone wants lsd to win
Julian1d: I don't! :)
weiqi5 [3k?\]: Even bots?
hojyosoun [1d\]: who is that guy behind andrew ?
robsclone: i kind of think that's fair, go7734
GoIngo [?\]: cs clapping hands for alphago
leachy [2k\]: b can drive j8 
]
;B[jj]C[robsclone: if a new playstyle is only good for the first three games that they're seen
botBot [?\]: j8 bad
Turnipsi [1k\]: I want future fast, Lee Sedol got his face saving one win, now let AG beat everyone forever
blau3: k13 more and more ominous now
kaliya [-\]: If B destroys W moyo in the center, where does Alpha get points?
robsclone: Turnipsi, lol
weiqi5 [3k?\]: AGA president
botBot [?\]: i think game4 was because AlphaGo crashed at some point
kadoban [?\]: Turnipsi: Yeah, pretty much my thoughts.
Kobor42 [?\]: Black is in the territory.
robsclone: Turnipsi: humans can come up with novel play styles, as well
bongo [2k\]: botbot , r u kidding me?
go7734 [4d\]: in the first 4 games lee never had an advantage out of the opening
geomav [7k\]: no 78 was pretty good move
weiqi5 [3k?\]: no, botbot, they just today explained that on Redmond's chanel
robsclone: botBot definitely not
weiqi5 [3k?\]: no hardware problem or anything
weiqi5 [3k?\]: just the OTH problem
weiqi5 [3k?\]: explained on gogameguru
botBot [?\]: OTH?
hojyosoun [1d\]: mg, haylee is there
GoIngo [?\]: cs at 21 % now for black
geomav [7k\]: A thought LS would not play it...did not investigate it enough
weiqi5 [3k?\]: Haijin on AGA channel now!
geomav [7k\]: *AG
bongo [2k\]: botbot is one of terminater's soldier
LaBelleVie [7k\]: whos leading ?
kadoban [?\]: White so far
robsclone: lol - Haijin again!
botBot [?\]: im actually spy for AlphaGo
]
;W[il]C[geomav [7k\]: humans hopeful for LS... bots calling it for AG
hojyosoun [1d\]: it's HaJin, not Hai 
robsclone: she just stopped in to say "hi"
Alekhin: k13 bad?
LaBelleVie [7k\]: couldnt Lee Sedol win ?
robsclone: sorry, lazy fingers hojyosoun
botBot [?\]: k13 nothing
geomav [7k\]: J7?
JoostW [7k?\]: N9?
go7734 [4d\]: lee must connect first
KoyoToya [-\]: No
Canarmane [-\]: K7 now, right?
KoyoToya [-\]: L11
olivedu13 [1d\]: j 7
blau3: black j7 an option?
botBot [?\]: must k7
KoyoToya [-\]: It reduces and protects the cut
go7734 [4d\]: can make exchange against n9 cut
Canarmane [-\]: j7 doesn't work i don't think
indogo [5k?\]: j7
go7734 [4d\]: but will have to return 
V [3k\]: J7
KoyoToya [-\]: Because Lee could counter cut
KoyoToya [-\]: I would go l11
Canarmane [-\]: b j7 w k7??
Kobor42 [?\]: What is OTH problem?
blau3: j7 k7 h7 aiming at h8 and l7
weiqi5 [3k?\]: over the horizon
hojyosoun [1d\]: eh, is HaJin work for google now ? 
KoyoToya [-\]: Oth?
jowzer [2d?\]: K7is a forcing move right?
Canarmane [-\]: b has to k7
weiqi5 [3k?\]: it's explained on gogameguru
weiqi5 [3k?\]: or (in German) in the DGoB-Forum
mtarn567 [6k\]: f5 looks interesting
V [3k\]: K7 bad
LaBelleVie [7k\]: well i keep faith in Lee Sedol anyway :)
Canarmane [-\]: if k7 is bad j7 worse
]
;B[jm]C[Canarmane [-\]: smh
V [3k\]: Or not
robsclone: oop
kadoban [?\]: Haha
hojyosoun [1d\]: same here, LabelleVe
robsclone: lol
botBot [?\]: lol who said k7 bad?
botBot [?\]: k7 is a must move
Kobor42 [?\]: Sorry but google cant find "oth"
weiqi5 [3k?\]: at least the game is getting very complicated again
bongo [2k\]: come on hajin is married woman, she is not interested in some stupid spy
weiqi5 [3k?\]: I answered to oth
Kobor42 [?\]: What acronym it is?
GoIngo [?\]: cs: 21 % for black now
weiqi5 [3k?\]: please read comments above!
Canarmane [-\]: now b has threat of cut at n9 to make forcing move like n10
Canarmane [-\]: which thoroughly ruins w moyo
Kobor42 [?\]: I am from mobile, i cant. Could you help pls?
danielhast [3k\]: j7 and n9 miai?
geomav [7k\]: But CS is misreading bottom right
shahzaib48 [12k\]: Wait
Cyphase [?\]: lol, someones windows computer just turned on in the background
weiqi5 [3k?\]: oth=over the horizon
danielhast [3k\]: *n10, sorry
weiqi5 [3k?\]: gogamegure
Canarmane [-\]: Redmond saying same thing on stream
GoIngo [?\]: right, but even with black stone on r7 still 37 %
geomav [7k\]: ty
Ray [9k?\]: what is CS?
Kobor42 [?\]: The amount of letters you typed without helping is too damn high
oldguy [4d\]: I cant understand why cs keeps giving low percentage
DrSFBrains [2k\]: J7
]
;W[im]C[shahzaib48 [12k\]: Didnt white just lose a shitton of territory at M11 Group?
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: cough
shahzaib48 [12k\]: because of stones from K7 to K10
Kobor42 [?\]: Thank you.
robsclone: crazystone @Ray: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60VABUREwOY
Azal [2d\]: b clearly behind...
shahzaib48 [12k\]: I was AFK
Canarmane [-\]: w moyo is being reduced, yes
Ray [9k?\]: ohhhh thanks
weiqi5 [3k?\]: sorry, got a phone call and trying to answer at the same time...
weiqi5 [3k?\]: on gogameguru.com OTH is explained
hojyosoun [1d\]: weiqi5, are you Tictactoe ?
weiqi5 [3k?\]: ?!?
]
;B[eh]C[hojyosoun [1d\]: sorry, mistaken
Kobor42 [?\]: You stupid or what? Nevermind. Thanjs anyway
robsclone: lol
Canarmane [-\]: Kobor42 don't be rude
robsclone: we've been so nice, so far
weiqi5 [3k?\]: Kobor42: I hope you didn't mean me
blau3: e13
bongo [2k\]: ooops, w moyo reduced? bad bad bad... for hojyosoun, and botbot
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: lds made the redmeond prediocted move
Eilinen [-\]: empty triangle : |
robsclone: with strength, though
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: its a good empty triangle
Canarmane [-\]: empty triangle is good in this case
Canarmane [-\]: really good
robsclone: yeah i'm cool with this
kadoban [?\]: Seems like good timing on that.
blau3: e13 still cuts, no?
Canarmane [-\]: b either keeps those stones and maintains cut threat or else connects to black stones at bot
Canarmane [-\]: its miai
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: not because of being empty trianlg but have to get into the area lower left
botBot [?\]: e13 bad aji
go7734 [4d\]: w will capture at f13
bongo [2k\]: better than bermuda triangle
]
;W[fg]C[botBot [?\]: just capture with f13
go7734 [4d\]: to avoid the forcing moves on the other side
botBot [?\]: yes
robsclone: i am really digging Redmond's commentary
Canarmane [-\]: yup, AG likes simplifying
kadoban [?\]: myungwan is still reading some other variation from forever ago, heh.
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: yes redmond's commentary is excellent
botBot [?\]: AlphaGo is efficient
hojyosoun [1d\]: Kim says b is ahead
Canarmane [-\]: E11
Canarmane [-\]: W probably cut b can keep pushing maybe
Cyphase [?\]: Redmond: "Oh yea, i got digressed; maybe I was looking at a Go board."
LaBelleVie [7k\]: bye bye white moyo :)
KoyoToya [-\]: I think
Ray [9k?\]: "maybe i was paying attention to the game" -redomnd
Canarmane [-\]: or maybe something in right moyo
Canarmane [-\]: idk
KoyoToya [-\]: B can f10
DrSFBrains [2k\]: N10
DrSFBrains [2k\]: played
]
;B[mj]C[robsclone: hehe...this game looks like it's melting Kim Myungwan's brain though
KoyoToya [-\]: And either connect or kill
Canarmane [-\]: there it is
learyghost [3k\]: looks like w is somewhat busted
kadoban [?\]: hojyosoun: Only time I've seen him say that is in a variation (that didn't happen)
hojyosoun [1d\]: can b play R7 ?
bongo [2k\]: oh, kim said so? that's why hojyosoun is crying ....like baby
kaliya [-\]: Good bye W moyo
Kobor42 [?\]: I explained that I can't find the OTH -even on gogameguru, and expanding the words in the acronyms would help greatly. What part of this was unclear for even a second?
KoyoToya [-\]: Bongo
robsclone: ohhh, i like n10
m1m [1k\]: the game seems decided
Canarmane [-\]: no need for r7 at this time?
KoyoToya [-\]: Be polite
python112: B won
hojyosoun [1d\]: kadoban, or maybe i've mitaken, but it seems w moyo is hopeless now
Canarmane [-\]: r7 = 15 miles per hour, n10 = 60 miles per hour
Beleragor [7k\]: hi guy, i just arrived, has Lee got any chance of winning?
kadoban [?\]: It's reduced, not destroyed.
DrSFBrains [2k\]: yes
Canarmane [-\]: Lee is leading
gitpush [5k?\]: Yes !
DrSFBrains [2k\]: close game
robsclone: Beleragor yep
]
;W[lj]C[bongo [2k\]: i am polite, toyo. they said thay want alphago win, 
robsclone: i'm sorry, i forget...does AG know when to resign? did he resign in the first one or were there passes?
Cyphase [?\]: absolute-Lee
robsclone: er, she*
robsclone: it
Doli [7k\]: AG resigned in 4 game
KoyoToya [-\]: Yah but bongo the comment about crying was not necessary
Canarmane [-\]: AG resigns if chance of winning is less than 20%
Canarmane [-\]: IIRC
GoIngo [?\]: m10 expected by cs
robsclone: thank you, Doli
]
;B[li]C[bababobo [1d?\]: Lee does not have enough points for a sure win.
robsclone: and Canarmane :)
Canarmane [-\]: on the contrary, w has not enough points
Turnipsi [1k\]: 20%? AlphaGo being too polite
Canarmane [-\]: w moyo being reduced faster than i can type
KFC [4k?\]: N11 is the next move
geomav [7k\]: Lee is going to wreck white's big terr?
JoostW [7k?\]: 20% is silly
bongo [2k\]: toyo, i thought we can joke
JoostW [7k?\]: how is a 20% chance of winning worse than a 0% chance of winning
Canarmane [-\]: W has to manage his stones life too, this moyo is busted
bongo [2k\]: and freedom of speech too
weiqi5 [3k?\]: Kim: "We have hope!"
JoostW [7k?\]: I thought AG optimized its winning probability...
josh858: 20% means that 20% of the partially random playouts win, right? which means a much lower actual chance of winning
Canarmane [-\]: JoostW, pros often resign when they think they are unlikely to win. It is considered polite/respectful of your opponent's skill
robsclone: i dunno...w's moyo might could recover, conservatively
KoyoToya [-\]: Well it seemed insulting. I'm sorry for misunderstanding bongo
]
;W[mi]C[Buddy514 [5k?\]: kim: "AlphaGo is not perfect"
Eilinen [-\]: btw does Lee sedol play better now that he doesn't need to think or be stressed by 1 million dollars
herpderp [8k?\]: black topcenter is dead right?
Xylol [4k?\]: does lee sedol has learned something about the weaknesses?
Canarmane [-\]: no, black topcenter is not dead
robsclone: Eilinen he seems to, to me
kadoban [?\]: Buddy514: That is out of context I believe.
Jazzman [1d\]: no herpderp
KoyoToya [-\]: No herp
KFC [4k?\]: I'm right :D
danielhast [3k\]: all large B groups are alive
gitpush [5k?\]: I think Lee found ai weaknesses 
KFC [4k?\]: N11 is the next move
MMXVI [3k\]: top center can connect out
Jazzman [1d\]: l18 and n19 are miai
leachy [2k\]: finally myungwan cedes that alphago may not be an omniscient goddess after all
Turnipsi [1k\]: josh you're probably right, but we can't really know how much
Buddy514 [5k?\]: no, he said Alpha go is not perfect.  clearly stated.  He thinks it did not play optimally.
robsclone: Xylol a few of Lee's moves have seemed challenging his experience of AG weaknesses
Badduck [2d?\]: lee vs anybody else I would sure expect him to win
weiqi5 [3k?\]: Kobor42: HORIZON EFFECT on gogameguru
RyanQu [2d?\]: how much time left?
RyanQu [2d?\]: lee
kadoban [?\]: Buddy514: That was in response to AJ's question of what it means if white loses this game.
Deterra [11k?\]: Lee Sedol's byo-yomi begin in 30 seconds
Canarmane [-\]: from which direction B respond?
robsclone: lee's into his minutes
Turnipsi [1k\]: I guess the programmers can set the percentage so that it stops before playing silly ataris, whatever percentage that means
Canarmane [-\]: Go up to n12?
Quaternion [4k\]: a 30min l 7min
Tictactoe [-\]: sedol enters byoyomi
Canarmane [-\]: or more conservative?
Kaidjin [?\]: Guess the next move ! http://gomoveguesser.ab0.fr
Buddy514 [5k?\]: I didn't hear that... I will have to go back and listen then if you are right.
Deterra [11k?\]: Lee Sedol is in Byo-yomi now.  AlphaGo has 22 mins
hojyosoun [1d\]: good site, thank you Kaidjin
USSRMan [3d\]: close game
Deterra [11k?\]: Much closer than the last 4!
kadoban [?\]: Buddy514: The rest of his response makes it sounds like he'd probably agree to that anyway out of context, but ... it was different than an unprompted quote, IMO.
Kaidjin [?\]: yw ;)
robsclone: hahaha. very fun Kaidjin!
Xylol [4k?\]: robsclone ty
Canarmane [-\]: m9 too slow, right? B better served N12?
Xylol [4k?\]: Tictactoe thank you for relaying.
]
;B[lk]C[LaBelleVie [7k\]: :) 
Azal [2d\]: Chris Garlock: "i'm 3d amateur "
geomav [7k\]: thanks TTT
robsclone: Tictactoe: bravo from me, also. thank you so much, this series has been a blast
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: at commenting
Eternal6k [4k\]: Here we go Lee sedol, here we go!
xor [3k?\]: Garlock: "There is no 10d"
LaBelleVie [7k\]: so entertaining game ! :)
USSRMan [3d\]: 3d amature is a blanket statement
Naphthalin [11k?\]: now there is
GoIngo [?\]: game over, according to cs
Canarmane [-\]: n9 o10 isn't bad for W i think
GoIngo [?\]: only 32 % for black, even with extra stone on r7
kadoban [?\]: Well, there kind of is 10d ... one of the titles.
robsclone: n9 - spot on
Turnipsi [1k\]: how strong is crazystone?
Blondin [4k\]: And r6 group is not that big?
KoyoToya [-\]: I think Lee has gotten over a wall from playing alpha go
Quaternion [4k\]: SE says w + 50 :p
tjn4fh814: interesting how 'getting used to the opponent' seems to apply in one or another way...
TheBear [9k\]: Pretty sure hitgirl is an amature 10d 
botBot [?\]: ranking and title is diff
]
;W[nj]C[Buddy514 [5k?\]: kim: I would say now Black is winning
robsclone: "[lee\] was doing pretty well...i'd have to make another count..." - Redmond
KoyoToya [-\]: fanweiqi [9d\]: Oh my god alphago won
KBAC [2d\]: b has a lot of sente yose
]
;B[kj]C[olivedu13 [1d\]: next match they can take JCVD for commentary
Canarmane [-\]: b endgame gonna be like harvest season
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: i wanna see black get into lower left
robsclone: "about 70 points for black" - Redmond
Eternal6k [4k\]: KoyoToya [-\]: fanweiqi [9d\]: Oh my god alphago won
Turnipsi [1k\]: w can't defend both e11 and m12
LaBelleVie [7k\]: hoho ! alphago crushed ?!
kadoban [?\]: Haha ... "If you're joining us from the east coast US ... I'm impressed"
robsclone: lol kadoban
robsclone: i can't believe i'm still up, either
thepizza [9k?\]: testing in production
juggler [?\]: I have not enough internet for youtube so please post more of those kim's and redmonds comments
Kobor42 [?\]: Eternal6k [4k\]: KoyoToya [-\]: fanweiqi [9d\]: Oh my god alphago won
trippin [3k\]: why isnt w on tilt
Naphthalin [11k?\]: well, the games started 5 am in europe
Cyphase [?\]: AlphaGO 19:28, Lee 3 Byo-Yomi
robsclone: work's gonna suck, tomorrow
botBot [?\]: e11!!
weiqi5 [3k?\]: "black won... this variation" (Kim)
Azal [2d\]: e11 so big...
Deterra [11k?\]: Indeed, e11
hojyosoun [1d\]: good news to me, LSD Won ! congrats !
KoyoToya [-\]: I'm in mountain time us
USSRMan [3d\]: e11 bigest
go7734 [4d\]: m12 also big
DrSFBrains [2k\]: E11 is huge
kadoban [?\]: Kim seems to think black is ahead
Sabbaticus [6k\]: Kobor42 [?\]: Eternal6k [4k\]: KoyoToya [-\]: fanweiqi [9d\]: Oh my god alphago won
KoyoToya [-\]: 3 o'clock in the morning
Canarmane [-\]: b has to make stronger invade on right
Cyphase [?\]: also, looks like the timer is trigger by Aja placing the stone
Nam [-\]: b9?
]
;W[ei]C[USSRMan [3d\]: its a hard count, but alphago knows it can get 0.5 victory
EOC: 3:45?
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: man
robsclone: interesting notice, Cyphase
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: i wanted black into lower left
kadoban [?\]: There are human timekeepers in these, aren't there?
Azal [2d\]: n12
kadoban [?\]: E11, wow.
weiqi5 [3k?\]: Cyphase: they have a human timing the match
Buddy514 [5k?\]: https://twitter.com/Haekoko/status/709645361246113793 nice photo of people watching at the train station
robsclone: "so much, for my count..."  - Redmond
TheBear [9k\]: Black can still get into the left with b9
KoyoToya [-\]: A8?
Azal [2d\]: what says ke jie ?
KoyoToya [-\]: B9 works too
USSRMan [3d\]: a8 is less good than b9 usually
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: lsd hasnt lost a period yet
DrSFBrains [2k\]: I hate hate hate that he only gets 3 1 minute overtimes...
robsclone: Buddy514 thank you for sharing!
Cyphase [?\]: yes, but the point is that it takes a couple seconds for Aja to place the stone after he sees the move
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: mis speak?
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: or did he
USSRMan [3d\]: maybe n12
Canarmane [-\]: b9 had to happen
]
;B[bk]C[DrSFBrains [2k\]: B9 played
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: i like it
TheBear [9k\]: heh
danielhast [3k\]: Kim: left side not that big
Buddy514 [5k?\]: ofc no my photo. it is on Hassabis retweet
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: even though at 7k my opinion doesnt matter
Dantek [1d\]: sedol leads by 5 or more
robsclone: hmm
Nam [-\]: b9 good
robsclone: maybe he's reaching into D8ish
MrChips [1k\]: w cant play m12 yet, since it ends in gote. if b ends this sequence in sente hes good
weiqi5 [3k?\]: Kim surprised by Lees move - "mistake"
DrSFBrains [2k\]: I hope that the players get more time in their overtimes next match...
robsclone: eek @Kim's reaction to b
kadoban [?\]: Kim thought black should play N12 instead.
mtarn567 [6k\]: g5 sets up some nice reduction will have to respond or lose either g4 or k3.   after which b can play e6 with damezumari on f6
go7734 [4d\]: s15 and m12 are big
botBot [?\]: n12 so huge
weiqi5 [3k?\]: the point is: Kim thinks that the white left can anyway reduced by some complicated combination
]
;W[bj]
;B[aj]C[kadoban [?\]: Yeah, F6 and H3
Canarmane [-\]: i dont' think b can get n12 in sente
robsclone: hmm
Canarmane [-\]: were i W i'd just takeit now
leachy [2k\]: feels like there's some nice move here for black like f7 or something which might explain why lee didn't n12 yet
dehuong [1k\]: who is winning?
kadoban [?\]: He can't get N12 in sente, but kim is saying that the left can be reduced anyway after white blocks at B10 (without black's B9 there)
Dantek [1d\]: black
blau3: f10 turning into bad aji for W, too
hojyosoun [1d\]: dehuong, Kim said b is winning, but he also mention that b9 is mistake
botBot [?\]: b10 was bad?
robsclone: eh
DrSFBrains [2k\]: I just realized that N9 is a move ... Not big enough yet, but ...
dehuong [1k\]: Redmond said that's good
Canarmane [-\]: n9 too small for this point i think
weiqi5 [3k?\]: nobody knows after lees mistake
botBot [?\]: n12 bigger than n9
lamchan [1d\]: D9 sente
]
;W[is]C[Azal [2d\]: LOL
robsclone: ?
kadoban [?\]: Yeah b10 looks ... not good. Don't understand.
dehuong [1k\]: i mean b9
Canarmane [-\]: AG??
RyanQu [2d?\]: what?
TheBear [9k\]: Bots broken
musmos [6d\]: am i counting it wrong or in term of terr w is leading?
USSRMan [3d\]: no
Beleragor [7k\]: uyuyuyuy
cohen [4k?\]: :))
Dantek [1d\]: haha
Ahamay [7d?\]: Here we go again 
Azal [2d\]: mmm seems ok
cohen [4k?\]: Lol
robsclone: Redmond didn't flinch but...
USSRMan [3d\]: this is sente
Dantek [1d\]: ok alphago said he's done
USSRMan [3d\]: for sure
robsclone: this is so sente
matiej [7k\]: resign move
kadoban [?\]: J1, heh ...
narugo [1d\]: no point loss but weird timing
Turnipsi [1k\]: 30k cunning plan... where did you play? I won't tell!
mate105 [1d\]: I wanna see this kind of move :)
robsclone: well
botBot [?\]: j1 is not small
baahamut [3k\]: timesuji?
GoIngo [?\]: white below 26 %, says cs
Slain [3k\]: J1 is just giving Lee Sedol more time to think...
]
;B[hs]C[MaLa [3d\]: Turnipsi [1k\]: 30k cunning plan... where did you play? I won't tell! <<< this is a russian 3p plan...
robsclone: no you're correct botBot
blau3: j10 looks pointless, since B has an eye to the left of it
candala [2k\]: what is time?
robsclone: forcing though...
hojyosoun [1d\]: what does j1 meant ?
Canarmane [-\]: AG at 15:40~
DemonStyle [3d?\]: LOL MaLa
Canarmane [-\]: LS in second byo-yomi
blau3: a waste of a ko threat
hugo [1k\]: E1
Gotham88 [4k\]: AG lost again?
Turnipsi [1k\]: lol I think I remember something like that against pop in EGK
Azal [2d\]: no
robsclone: Redmond's playing it out like white may take this from that
Gotham88 [4k\]: black seems to be in better shape
cohen [4k?\]: Ag is lost into his deep mind
MaLa [3d\]: @turnipsi dinerstein vs silt @EGC
robsclone: haha
Deterra [11k?\]: too much LSD
robsclone: it's all eyes and dog faces
hojyosoun [1d\]: bug again ?
Turnipsi [1k\]: oh silt right
thepizza [9k?\]: deepmind trump is taking over AG
matiej [7k\]: so it seems 3 AG wins, were just riddiculous amounts of pressure on LSD shoulders.
oonicks: with bots most of us have seen them crash like that before i think.
]
;W[so]C[Gotham88 [4k\]: wah
Ahamay [7d?\]: AG playing starcraft in parallel 
narugo [1d\]: white is losing
Jazzman [1d\]: ouh
Alekhin: hu?
Azal [2d\]: and winning both games
archron0 [4k\]: wasting ko threats
Azal [2d\]: t5 ok 
Ephidel [1k\]: alphago selfdestruct?
narugo [1d\]: cant found winning move
dehuong [1k\]: what happen to W?
robsclone: Lee sweating, again
kadoban [?\]: alphago, why ... you are so weird sometimes.
Cyphase [?\]: aah, my ears!
robsclone: lol
ffeffsdfef: clearly alphago is thinking. giving lee more time to think
lofuchi [3k\]: alphago go crazy again
robsclone: bleshoo, chris
Tictactoe [-\]: lee is used to sweat over his close games
robsclone: T5?
]
;B[rn]C[oldguy [4d\]: according to my exp against bot, w should think it's losing
kadoban [?\]: None of the strange moves by alphago so far are harmful, just ... strange sente.
lofuchi [3k\]: !!!!!
TheBear [9k\]: AG is clearly busy downloading the entire library of congresses catalog and can not be bothered to care about this game 
lofuchi [3k\]: lol
ffeffsdfef: alphago knoows lee is in ot, alaphago is considerate
Dantek [1d\]: It's yose move
kdbaby14 [6k\]: when alpha go playing random move
mtarn567 [6k\]: this makes the semeai work for him
kdbaby14 [6k\]: it start to lose
robsclone: i agree kadoban
TheWolf [2d\]: just got here, catch me up people who's winning?
USSRMan [3d\]: solid win for human in that case
]
;W[rk]C[Sabbaticus [6k\]: lsd
Naphthalin [11k?\]: LSD winning
robsclone: TheWolf oh, man.  it's a battle
leachy [2k\]: actually this can help white seal with q9 etc which will make w seem safer there
robsclone: but LSD is winning
kadoban [?\]: TheWolf: Was white for quite a while ... now really close I think?
thepizza [9k?\]: SE W 95+
suicao [3d\]: LSD kaka
leachy [2k\]: even though i agree it's stupid
USSRMan [3d\]: actually, connecting t8 is quite big
Cyphase [?\]: haha thepizza
robsclone: still close though i believe
TheWolf [2d\]: awesome let's watch
kadoban [?\]: S9 is good, thankfully sane.
kadoban [?\]: A bit ... worried everytime it plays something odd now, after last game.
sses [7k?\]: youtube feed down for anyone else?
robsclone: Redmond's trying for another count
]
;B[sl]C[weaknoob: Too close
robsclone: sses: strong for me
robsclone: the stream is
c137 [2k\]: youtube feed chopy
sses [7k?\]: just came back for me, thx
Azal [2d\]: what says ke jie ?
robsclone: Kim Myungwan is still deep in thought about it, though
Cyphase [?\]: c137, yea, alphago's using all of google to try to win
kadoban [?\]: He's counting
kadoban [?\]: That's his counting face, not his reading face XD
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: they should hire a full time counter to just keep a count on the game
robsclone: lol
weiqi5 [3k?\]: good idea
ohiioi: is b ahead ?
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: to cg doesnt have to periodically tell redmond "count"
]
;W[ai]C[thepizza [9k?\]: alphago is ddosing youtube so it can perform patch update while cameras are down
musmos [6d\]: if w play e1 then he he play like zen
GoIngo [?\]: i gave black 2 extra moves - but still only 26 % for black says cs
leachy [2k\]: lol
Azal [2d\]: lol
robsclone: the more AlphaGo is losing, the worse the youtube feed gets?!?! ;) ;)
Azal [2d\]: mmm 
Canarmane [-\]: umm
Azal [2d\]: w getting tricky 
oonicks: (mayb he doesnt see my stone)
Azal [2d\]: xD
ffeffsdfef: alphaago is choking
]
;B[ah]C[H123 [14k\]: bad a 11
indogo [5k?\]: :D
KoyoToya [-\]: Some serious skynet stuff
Azal [2d\]: aja got the control again ?
weiqi5 [3k?\]: "It's close, really close"
Jazzman [1d\]: maybe the 26% is not giving any hint :)
thepizza [9k?\]: alphago is furiously clicking undo
kadoban [?\]: Kim thinks it's very close
robsclone: wow, a11....
dehuong [1k\]: I am getting confused
weiqi5 [3k?\]: "White is slightly better"
weiqi5 [3k?\]: "1.5 points"
c137 [2k\]: Meanwhile "the birds are in the air" 
weiqi5 [3k?\]: (Kim)
dehuong [1k\]: who said that?
matiej [7k\]: some have CS evaluations?
kadoban [?\]: myungwan kim, 9p
gepay [3k\]: these moves give Lee more time to think
GoIngo [?\]: 26 % for black with 2 extra moves for black
oldguy [4d\]: when bot keeps wasting ko threats, it thinks itself losing
botBot [?\]: AlphaGo going crazystone again
GoIngo [?\]: says cs
kadoban [?\]: Yeah a lot of these moves are terrible strategy since lee sedol is in byoyomi really.
Hyaki [6k\]: 9p more interesting than CS stuff
]
;W[cl]C[robsclone: "in monte carlo algorythms this is something they do before they resign, or go completely insane"
danielhast [3k\]: W mistake?
pipu [5d\]: w back to normal moves
kadoban [?\]: But alphago doesn't know how to reason about that.
kadoban [?\]: C8 ... isn't good is it?
narugo [1d\]: c8 finally normal move
Deterra [11k?\]: "berserk" he said
danielhast [3k\]: n12 bigger, right?
Cyphase [?\]: maybe alphago is making the only moves it has time to think of, given the time constraints imposed on it by the programmers
go7734 [4d\]: a11 throwin can help w kill the black group
Turnipsi [1k\]: e1 only 6 points, even n9 is more
nem [2k\]: From now on - Forst line moves should be called "AlphaGo moves" :)
icecream99 [1d?\]: c8 small?
robsclone: berserk, thank you
Azal [2d\]: w gave lee some time
Canarmane [-\]: n12 is super tempting
icecream99 [1d?\]: Yes, n12
dehuong [1k\]: who is winning, pros?
Iniesta [2k\]: why not m  ?
weiqi5 [3k?\]: "We said that was too small" - "oh yeah!" (kim)
musmos [6d\]: m16?
]
;B[bl]C[Iniesta [2k\]: w looses12
nestango [3k\]: 5:00 am  U_U
botBot [?\]: b8 smallllll?!?
Canarmane [-\]: n12 bigger than m16 i think
kadoban [?\]: wat
oonicks: mayb i get another point
robsclone: i know, right, nestango
BlueDeck [2d\]: sorry; can someone give me kejie channel again please ? I can't find it anymore
Respect38: These moves will be fixed in beta. 
weiqi5 [3k?\]: "Difficult to understand the endgame"
hojyosoun [1d\]: nestango, go to bed, we inform you the result next morning
KoyoToya [-\]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzpW10DPHeQ 
weiqi5 [3k?\]: (Kims problems are ours :)
KoyoToya [-\]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZPKR7HzM_s
KoyoToya [-\]: oneofthose
Tictactoe [-\]: redmond mixes up black and white, very common fort the strong player to do
DrSFBrains [2k\]: B7
KoyoToya [-\]: I think
DrSFBrains [2k\]: played
]
;W[bm]C[kadoban [?\]: It's funny what myungwang thinks is obvious, hehe.
Tonight [5k\]: n12 now?
aham [7k\]: c9
weiqi5 [3k?\]: "Okay?!?" (Kim)
USSRMan [3d\]: white played bad opening 
robsclone: hehe. myungwang is very cute
indogo [5k?\]: black can m15?
USSRMan [3d\]: but it got game close
BlueDeck [2d\]: anywhere but youtube, please. Can't access it here
weiqi5 [3k?\]: Black can cut (J4)
BlueDeck [2d\]: ^^
Cyphase [?\]: 1 Byo-Yomi left!
weiqi5 [3k?\]: (after push)
physics [2k\]: .
c137 [2k\]: b+8
Medieval [2d\]: whoa it played the tiger mouth
Tictactoe [-\]: last period for lee
geomav [7k\]: LS last byoyomi
kadoban [?\]: This is a bit hard to figure out what's going on ...
nahual [2k\]: d7
dehuong [1k\]: d7 winning move
aham [7k\]: n12
Cyphase [?\]: i keep worrying lee's gonna slip and run out of time
]
;B[dm]C[robsclone: ooo, i like d7
Deterra [11k?\]: me too
robsclone: and there it is
nestango [3k\]: : ) ok
Azal [2d\]: mmmmmm
Azal [2d\]: MMMMMMMMM
olivedu13 [1d\]: come on LSD
Tonight [5k\]: mmmmmmmm
Cyphase [?\]: then again, he knows how to handle go stones
learyghost [3k\]: human resigns
cohen [4k?\]: Tictatoe is in Korea?
weiqi5 [3k?\]: "Those with faint heart, don't watch now, as he is playing his move the very last second everytime" :D
nestango [3k\]: = win Lee
Tictactoe [-\]: i wish i was
GoIngo [?\]: does somebody see face of Hassabis?
Dantek [1d\]: lsd wants to make alphago resign, like precious game
cohen [4k?\]: Cos it seems some delay on youtube
Dantek [1d\]: previous*
go7734 [4d\]: w can just d6?
kadoban [?\]: $20 bill promises that lee sedol will not run out of time, haha.
DrSFBrains [2k\]: D6 played
]
;W[dn]C[Tonight [5k\]: LSD is like MSN of Go
botBot [?\]: it will end up in a trade
go7734 [4d\]: what does b have
gitpush [5k?\]: Ai will sacrifice big group to make ls lose by time 
Kotonoha [3d\]: wow 724 people !
botBot [?\]: confirm will end in a trade
robsclone: Redmond isn't so impressed
Deterra [11k?\]: I think AlphaGo's programming means every game ends in resignation.  It can count.  if it counts and sees a 0% chance of winning it resigns.
botBot [?\]: youtube got 63736 people watching
Deterra [11k?\]: I'm one!
musmos [6d\]: c7
kadoban [?\]: I think I remember reading that it'll never get to counting (with it losing)
Tictactoe [-\]: michael is already over 4h commenting
weiqi5 [3k?\]: In China on TV they said more than 60 million watched one of the games!
kadoban [?\]: Because yeah it'll resign.
dehuong [1k\]: Redmond analyses that d7 bad move for B
Kaidjin [?\]: actually alphago resigns at less than 20% win
Azal [2d\]: mmm redmond says this maybe not good for black
w2w: e7
]
;B[cm]C[Turnipsi [1k\]: theres also like between 1 and 2 million chineze people following
]
;W[dl]C[GoIngo [?\]: agony for audience
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: *60 million
USSRMan [3d\]: i think black miscounted
robsclone: yeah i see 63845 on youtube deepmind, 1739 on Kim Myungwan, 214 on CS, 35581 on tvbaduk, and i don't see a count for kim
USSRMan [3d\]: this exchange
hojyosoun [1d\]: did we get new comer after this 5 game ?
Respect38: Chinese ends with an "s", by the way, not a "z".
dehuong [1k\]: what Kim said?
Dantek [1d\]: b will sacrifice 6 stones
kadoban [?\]: N12 not being played yet is bugging the crap out of me.
weiqi5 [3k?\]: "Black is losing here"
Ganz: what is CS?
weiqi5 [3k?\]: (Kim)
tempay [2k?\]: i don't understand black's play..
botBot [?\]: this exchange seems not good for b
weiqi5 [3k?\]: Kim doesn't either
kadoban [?\]: Dantek: myungwan kim doesn't like black's plays here.
Deterra [11k?\]: robsclone, you just explained why adding those together is silly: you're counted 4 times!
]
;B[em]C[Kotonoha [3d\]: who is losing?
GoIngo [?\]: cs=crazy stone
GoIngo [?\]: french bot
botBot [?\]: b losing stones
robsclone: Deterra right?  I just tried to say what I see :)
TheBear [9k\]: did the redmond stream die?
hojyosoun [1d\]: b is losing from Kim comments
Deterra [11k?\]: :)
Turnipsi [1k\]: even if b reduces m13 area and gets to b17 first w seems to have more
USSRMan [3d\]: yeah i feel game reversed
dehuong [1k\]: no :(
robsclone: TheBear refresh and you good
]
;W[en]C[Dantek [1d\]: but b will end in sente here
go7734 [4d\]: cs says 13.2% chance for b
weiqi5 [3k?\]: But he admits that you can find the right combination only in review when you put stones down
kadoban [?\]: It's unclear if he means he's losing points here, or he's losing the game now. Maybe there is no difference.
USSRMan [3d\]: ouch
TheBear [9k\]: Okay cool 
hikaru76 [2d\]: lee sedol can count better than kim or you're raydmond
tempay [2k?\]: did b lose in yose? :(
Kotonoha [3d\]: Nice to see we have 734 people here
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: e8?
botBot [?\]: this exchange not good for b
tengen9001: we had more than 900 the other day
go7734 [4d\]: b may never have had lead
robsclone: hmmm
TheWolf [2d\]: wow b's gonna make the exchange I think
blau3: b will sacrifice f4 imho and play b6
nahual [2k\]: f8
wry [3d\]: this looks slightly better for b I'd say
lofuchi [3k\]: there is no turning back
python112: ya
USSRMan [3d\]: obviously blue3
]
;B[fl]C[TheWolf [2d\]: yep
Dantek [1d\]: I prefer b on this sequence
Starstorm3 [4d\]: eat it all!
robsclone: c'mon, lee... time ticking
blau3: wow, f10 now a real threat
robsclone: nice
python112: harvesting time
tempay [2k?\]: ..wat
Rankachan [6k\]: i prefer b
Kotonoha [3d\]: sedol ! ! !
Canarmane [-\]: ohhh, doing f8 first makes it a better trade for B right?
Becubio [3k\]: nice exchange
go7734 [4d\]: a7!
Turnipsi [1k\]: a7 works
go7734 [4d\]: w can play a7
]
;W[fj]C[Canarmane [-\]: because it FORCES w to react
weiqi5 [3k?\]: "Ohhh!"
go7734 [4d\]: oh w did f10 instead of a7 :(
Nam [-\]: b6
robsclone: "this looks like going to be bad for white"
TheWolf [2d\]: it may be slightly bad for b 
robsclone: -Redmon, two moves ago
nestango [3k\]: !
Turnipsi [1k\]: I guess omitting a7 means the fate is sealed and w can't lose
USSRMan [3d\]: white knows it won
go7734 [4d\]: in hindsight after a7 b just b6
go7734 [4d\]: then no gain for w
manta [3d\]: a7 doesn't work 
DrSFBrains [2k\]: B6
]
;B[bn]C[Azal [2d\]: redmon: seems even trade
robsclone: Redmond likes n12
Carregan [8k\]: В6
wry [3d\]: n12 huge
Starstorm3 [4d\]: i cant access youtube can someone tell me what myungwan is saying about this?
cohen [4k?\]: Is this good for lee?
kadoban [?\]: White should take F2 according to kim
robsclone: Starstorm3 he's blinking a lot
DrSFBrains [2k\]: A9?
Azal [2d\]: w getting tricky again
]
;W[ak]C[wry [3d\]: f2 needed yes
Reym [-\]: make it a ko!
botBot [?\]: its good move
wry [3d\]: would look terrible if b gets f2
gitpush [5k?\]: Ko good for b
USSRMan [3d\]: a9 is good
USSRMan [3d\]: worth a point
USSRMan [3d\]: ko not good for black
botBot [?\]: A9 worth more than f2
manta [3d\]: b has about 0 threats
Dantek [1d\]: lsd totally winning
Becubio [3k\]: f2 posible?
]
;B[al]C[robsclone: oh!
leachy [2k\]: so n2, j1 and a11 were all preparing for this :)))))
USSRMan [3d\]: no the ko is so big
go7734 [4d\]: if b had lost the ko, the whole left would die
USSRMan [3d\]: black cant afford it
Reym [-\]: ok too dangerous for the whole b group
go7734 [4d\]: even the c14 stones
Tictactoe [-\]: f2 is veto-ed by unesco
hojyosoun [1d\]: Kim :"looks like b is winning "
kadoban [?\]: "Looks like black is winning" - kim
]
;W[fr]C[Starstorm3 [4d\]: i ust feel like W M12 now and he's winning?
danielhast [3k\]: Kim: B is winning [in the variation they're looking at\]
weiqi5 [3k?\]: "Black is winning!" (Kim)
Azal [2d\]: redmond: b has a slight lead
Starstorm3 [4d\]: oh!
leo1215 [2k\]: r7
gitpush [5k?\]: Ko was greedy so i am 
robsclone: boy, what a game huh
manta [3d\]: n12 time?
Starstorm3 [4d\]: N12!!
Becubio [3k\]: n12
botBot [?\]: n12 now!
leachy [2k\]: now n12
kadoban [?\]: n12 finally?
robsclone: there's your f2
Starstorm3 [4d\]: N12N12N12
Tictactoe [-\]: Kim Myungwan should make up his mind
Azal [2d\]: n12 pls
geomav [7k\]: cs has lee down to 12 % :)))
]
;B[mh]C[Tonight [5k\]: n12 time!
TaoTao: no  chance
Canarmane [-\]: BOOM
tempay [2k?\]: it's coming i feel it
tempay [2k?\]: yes
leachy [2k\]: ! finally :)
Tonight [5k\]: yeahhhhhhhh
Beleragor [7k\]: yeah!
ZeNit [?\]: n12 feels sooo good to play
danielhast [3k\]: finally
TheWolf [2d\]: thank god he played it
robsclone: there it is!
kadoban [?\]: Didn't even wait for 0 seconds left to play it.
Starstorm3 [4d\]: whew
USSRMan [3d\]: deepmind team said white made a mistake in the opening with the whole s6 thing and was playing from behind whole game
Tongga [1d\]: Lee sedol win
]
;W[ni]C[Badduck [2d?\]: b playd all this in byoyomi...
Dantek [1d\]: Go tiger mouth
Tictactoe [-\]: is cs reading the s6 semeai wrongly?
weiqi5 [3k?\]: "So many counting!" (Kim)
Canarmane [-\]: LS has been setting this up for a long time
GoIngo [?\]: USSRman where did you read that?
Azal [2d\]: USSRMan where did u read that ?
robsclone: "your mind is a part of your body, so it's a very physical thing, too" - nice one, Redmond
musmos [6d\]: m13
blau3: can B get an eye near a7? he would very much like it
bongo [2k\]: God bless u tonga
USSRMan [3d\]: twitter
GoIngo [?\]: thx
DrSFBrains [2k\]: L1
DrSFBrains [2k\]: After M13
Turnipsi [1k\]: impossible blau
go7734 [4d\]: l1 huehue
]
;B[lg]C[robsclone: l1?
]
;W[ks]
;B[ls]C[Azal [2d\]: so lee really winning ?
Reym [-\]: l1 small
blau3: Turnipsi: quite so :-(
USSRMan [3d\]: demis hassabis
Reym [-\]: b17 now!
USSRMan [3d\]: twitter
wry [3d\]: no blau3, no eye there
indogo [5k?\]: too bad LSD found AG weakness after 3 defeat
robsclone: lee is really winning Azal
kadoban [?\]: alphago is god of useless sente moves, haha.
Hyaki [6k\]: l1 useless
botBot [?\]: wasting of ko threats...
Cyphase [?\]: b3
robsclone: it's a figh though
Xylol [4k?\]: 185 lee had read it up
danielhast [3k\]: Kim: W is winning
Hyaki [6k\]: loosing ko threats
Xylol [4k?\]: he was looking at the whole board and nodding.
narugo [1d\]: white avoids ko so it dont matter heh
Starstorm3 [4d\]: dammit Kim!!! make up your mind
kadoban [?\]: Uh oh, kim might have screwed up counting, he read white playing the smaller move of M9
Xylol [4k?\]: and playing fast
]
;W[bc]C[Tonight [5k\]: Kim change his mind every second
kadoban [?\]: So now thinks white is ahead?
hojyosoun [1d\]: Kim ....
weiqi5 [3k?\]: yes
BBTheory [2d\]: lol
robsclone: hm
go7734 [4d\]: monkey jump is really big
ZeNit [?\]: alpha really likes to waste ko threats
kadoban [?\]: Tonight: Well, it is very close.
Turnipsi [1k\]: Kim found the ultimate algorithm for being always right
botBot [?\]: the game does change when there is exchange happens
Hyaki [6k\]: the one who play is ahead
danielhast [3k\]: Kim misread that W would play N9 instead of B17
blau3: b17 now looks like sente after all those throw-ins on the left edge
Hyaki [6k\]: kim is acurate
nestango [3k\]: Alpha resig
]
;B[bo]C[hojyosoun [1d\]: Hyaki : well said
matiej [7k\]: well if LSD can figure out a ko offer somewhere he should capitalize all this wasted ko threats by AG
weiqi5 [3k?\]: Uh?
atomicholt [?\]: Redmond: “everything is going as I have forseen”. He’s the emperor.
robsclone: what? 
Xylol [4k?\]: faster than stream?
mlund [?\]: Keikaku
Deterra [11k?\]: Oh man I hope we see a monkey jump at T13
Xylol [4k?\]: oh its me
weiqi5 [3k?\]: "This is not enough/ In this case white is winning
Reym [-\]: wow he almost forgot to play!!
Quaternion [4k\]: who's winning?
aham [7k\]: t14
]
;W[bp]C[KFC [4k?\]: N15
vincero [?\]: There's still so many ko threats from the bottom right, white has plenty
Tonight [5k\]: T13?
lemur [9k?\]: Kim: "Black is favorable"
kadoban [?\]: quaternion this current second, white is.
Carregan [8k\]: J9
Turnipsi [1k\]: p13
USSRMan [3d\]: "#AlphaGo made a bad mistake early in the game (it didnt know a known tesuji) but now is trying hard to craw it back... nail-biting."
KFC [4k?\]: N15 for B
robsclone: Quaternion it's a battle
Tonight [5k\]: kim should make up his mind
Tonight [5k\]: grey is winning
DrSFBrains [2k\]: SE says W + 89.5
Tonight [5k\]: nor black or white
juggler [?\]: which was the bad mistake?
tp1024 [-\]: he makes up his mind each time he does a new count
DrSFBrains [2k\]: SE must think that W is TheCaptain
baltimore [4k?\]: Why am I up at 4:15
aham [7k\]: m15
leachy [2k\]: if in doubt, quaternion can rotate the board and discover it's invariant under rotations
]
;B[og]C[USSRMan [3d\]: oh wow b17 is huge
robsclone: baltimore me, too :-/
matiej [7k\]: SE is biased towards its own kind
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: i like this move
robsclone: p13, eh
BigDoug [-\]: please stop the SE comments
robsclone: i do, too
musmos [6d\]: i think w will win by 1.5
weiqi5 [3k?\]: "1.5 points for white now"
Turnipsi [1k\]: n6 cut probably jugger, ended up in w dead in tombstone tesuji at r6
robsclone: who said 1.5pts for wht
]
;W[mf]C[weiqi5 [3k?\]: Kim
Naphthalin [11k?\]: 1,5 points is impossible result ;)
icecream99 [1d?\]: B15 bigger than N9 for b
robsclone: cool...
Reym [-\]: alphago is just SE renamed
botBot [?\]: never!
USSRMan [3d\]: surprise alphago doesnt know the s6 tesuji
musmos [6d\]: myungwan
kadoban [?\]: myungwan seem tired XD too much counting.
botBot [?\]: n14 losing move?
Rexxar [1k\]: se says w+90 i believe se
danielhast [3k\]: Kim says B lost, B9 losing move
Cyphase [?\]: SE = Sucky Estimator
BigDoug [-\]: please stop the SE comments
]
;B[nh]C[robsclone: oh right
Becubio [3k\]: No. AG counts s6 as seki for use it like threats
botBot [?\]: no point in using SE
botBot [?\]: i dont want to hear the %
c137 [2k\]: LSD on dat rush time
aham [7k\]: r12 
hojyosoun [1d\]: botbot
kadoban [?\]: Q12 surely?
indogo [5k?\]: AG should resign?
botBot [?\]: not yet
botBot [?\]: w seems ahead
Cyphase [?\]: least time alphago has had was last game, right? it had under a minute of normal time i believe
robsclone: still some fighting to play out
lofuchi [3k\]: w needs to defend
]
;W[ph]C[kadoban [?\]: It's ridiculously close ... can't count accurately enough myself.
JoostW [7k?\]: hmm, any chance for B of killing W groups on the right?
weiqi5 [3k?\]: "too close" (Kim)
Beleragor [7k\]: monkey jump?
matanume [10k?\]: now endgame move I guess
robsclone: not with Q12,
DnFBlitz [1k?\]: It's great that we get to see such a long game and close game
JoostW [7k?\]: hm yeah
hojyosoun [1d\]: t13 or t14 ? which better ?
JoostW [7k?\]: tru dat
]
;B[ce]C[BBTheory [2d\]: g8 
Starstorm3 [4d\]: i worry about time... Lee may noy play perfect yose with onky a minute
Beleragor [7k\]: why q12 avoid monkey jump?
Burton [6k\]: is the monkey jump not big enough now?
]
;W[mk]C[tempay [2k?\]: oof
weiqi5 [3k?\]: he must live on the left first
vincero [?\]: T13 now surelty
Deterra [11k?\]: All I want is the monkey jump.  That's all I want.
robsclone: interesting, redmond is calling for something like bT13
Starstorm3 [4d\]: T13!!
Canarmane [-\]: t13 not forcing tho
Deterra [11k?\]: YES
weiqi5 [3k?\]: "white's mistake"
hojyosoun [1d\]: t14 better ?
Canarmane [-\]: ?
]
;B[sg]C[botBot [?\]: T13 big
Tonight [5k\]: yeahhhhh
tempay [2k?\]: lee rubbing his face/neck..
Cyphase [?\]: MONKEY JUMP!
robsclone: lol
Starstorm3 [4d\]: monkey power!!!
lofuchi [3k\]: super big
USSRMan [3d\]: bots endgame is perfect now
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: saru-suberi!
robsclone: oh he played it!
USSRMan [3d\]: it sees the 0.5 victory
WinPooh [3k\]: If Lee wins this game they must play rematch 
Cyphase [?\]: i remember first learning the monkey jump; i've always liked it
Tictactoe [-\]: chimp or oerang oetang?
Tonight [5k\]: Gorila
Bisqwit [-\]: Cool!
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: orangutan not monkey
USSRMan [3d\]: interesting how deepmind team thinks white played a bad opening
kadoban [?\]: White missed out on B15, which was sente - kim
hojyosoun [1d\]: i always wonder why it is call monkey jump
ZeNit [?\]: Lee will win with 0.5 from a 1 point ko at the end because alpha has thrown away so many ko threats for nothing
juggler [?\]: I wonder if deep mind will publish only the source code of alpha-go or also the already trained network. Anyone knows?
learyghost [3k\]: its a monkey jump, but not the standard
Turnipsi [1k\]: they listen to redmond stream
GoIngo [?\]: yes, strange comment by dennis h.
Tictactoe [-\]: maki probably
musmos [6d\]: can oly answer s13
blau3: b c15 before interesting reverse sente (against W b15), getting the reward of a17 in sente to boot
BBTheory [2d\]: yes g8 is very big
indogo [5k?\]:  deepmind maybe has go expert as well
danielhast [3k\]: "Ke Jie: B is still losing"
Becubio [3k\]: ???
GoIngo [?\]: s 13 played
Respect38: huh
Starstorm3 [4d\]: dammit ke!! stop being a pessimist
lamchan [1d\]: Undo?
Naphthalin [11k?\]: s13 s15 t15
inte [?\]: deepmind sees estimated winning probability after the opening... which will be significantly below 50% if the opening was bad.
Hyaki [6k\]: ke jie would like le lose
DnFBlitz [1k?\]: S15 is there, but why?
Carregan [8k\]: ?
DnFBlitz [1k?\]: T15 isn't there
Tictactoe [-\]: i saw a black stone on g8
Beleragor [7k\]: ko
Naphthalin [11k?\]: s13 g8 s15 t15
dehuong [1k\]: hope Lee win
DnFBlitz [1k?\]: checking the recording...
sh [7k\]: Ke getting jealous
Burton [6k\]: when will alpha hit byomi?
AutoAtari [2k?\]: kekeke ^___^
botBot [?\]: in about 1min
lofuchi [3k\]: alphago wasted so many ko threats before
wade [5d\]: s13 g8 s15 t15 is the seq tictactoe
kadoban [?\]: s13, g8, s15, etc.
Becubio [3k\]: Alpha put undo???
Rephos [23k\]: cs percentage anyone?
Deterra [11k?\]: b R13
thepizza [9k?\]: s13 yet?
Buddy514 [5k?\]: tictactoe you are behind
GoIngo [?\]: tictactoe believe us
Naphthalin [11k?\]: s13 g8 s15 t15 t14 s14
Mausler: the real game has a black stone on g8
]
;W[rg]C[Azal [2d\]: s13, g8 played....
robsclone: there's your s13
Turnipsi [1k\]: aja huang is 5d
sprouts [1d\]: What did he say golngo?
]
;B[gl]C[hkterry [3d\]: ke jie is a perfect backseat driver
cohen [4k?\]: Tictatoe u miss g8
robsclone: Rephos no more SE speculation, here
]
;W[re]
;B[se]
;W[sf]
;B[rf]
;W[sh]C[mtarn567 [6k\]: ko
Alekhin: heere we go
botBot [?\]: no ko
Tictactoe [-\]: correct?
robsclone: oh, boy
Canarmane [-\]: no ko
Becubio [3k\]: ???
blau3: TTT might had just the need for a short break
indogo [5k?\]: ko by alphago
botBot [?\]: yes correct
Eternal6k [4k\]: Yes
Naphthalin [11k?\]: yes TTT
kadoban [?\]: Not ko. Yeah looks correct
Jazzman [1d\]: yes
playerx [2d\]: Lee Sedol just buy sente
Becubio [3k\]: very kyu
cohen [4k?\]: Yes
Tictactoe [-\]: ok thx
vincero [?\]: I was wondering about M16...
Azal [2d\]: m16
Cyphase [?\]: ooh, here comes
Azal [2d\]: woa
Naphthalin [11k?\]: m15 n15
musmos [6d\]: m16
Naphthalin [11k?\]: *m16 n15
botBot [?\]: m16 is played
nestango [3k\]: WTF Matrix
]
;B[ld]
;W[me]C[Turnipsi [1k\]: g8 strange as it does not save the two stones like g9 would have
matanume [10k?\]: congrat today we will see byoyomi for AG
vincero [?\]: AG went into byoyomi in game 3 I believe
Azal [2d\]: a3?
Azal [2d\]: a17
Tonight [5k\]: a17 ?
]
;B[ac]C[Starstorm3 [4d\]: g8 is because if g9, W F7 then G8 himself
ohknow [2k\]: g9 gave a bunch of sente moves for w
kadoban [?\]: myungwan kim seems so tired ... too much thinking for him these commentaries I think
weiqi5 [3k?\]: "within 0.5 points" (Kim)
Starstorm3 [4d\]: wow...
]
;W[ab]C[wretched [9k\]: Who's ahead u think?
]
;B[ad]C[wretched [9k\]: Wow 0.5 point only?
Deterra [11k?\]: AlphaGo is almost in Byo-Yomi.  30 seconds
kadoban [?\]: The pros seem to think white is ahead, but it's ridiculously close? Too close for me to count ...
weiqi5 [3k?\]: That's like watching two gods fighting and trying who's winning
USSRMan [3d\]: objectively though, opening was probably bad for white
Turnipsi [1k\]: c16
Canarmane [-\]: w has sente now tho
USSRMan [3d\]: alphago seems to thnk so
]
;W[cd]
;B[bf]C[weiqi5 [3k?\]: "Black gained one point" (Kim)
weiqi5 [3k?\]: "I need to count again"
Starstorm3 [4d\]: yay!
danielhast [3k\]: Kim: m16 could be winning move
juggler [?\]: well. if it's a half point game and alpha go plays no bad exchanges then...
herissondu [3d\]: omg one point omg
Azal [2d\]: LOL
BBTheory [2d\]: make up your mind kim
weiqi5 [3k?\]: "Btw LSDs endgame is excellent"
tempay [2k?\]: I'm scared hold me
sh [7k\]: Lol
weiqi5 [3k?\]: (Kim)
botBot [?\]: g8 was a bad move?
Cyphase [?\]: AlphaGo 3 Byo-Yomi, Lee 1 Byo-Yomi
Buddy514 [5k?\]: alpha go into overitme
Starstorm3 [4d\]: terrified
vincero [?\]: K12 might be important for black (K11 for white)
robsclone: hmm
Starstorm3 [4d\]: please keep quoting kim for me i cant listen on  video ;(
hojyosoun [1d\]: Kim : btw, Lee endgame is very good, excellence
cekalo [1k\]: who is winning?
ZeNit [?\]: please win the game with a ko for the last point!
Turnipsi [1k\]: is this the first game with AG in overtime?
dehuong [1k\]: Byoyomi for AG
tempay [2k?\]: l17
reym2: yes first time
weiqi5 [3k?\]: Kim is mostly silently counting like hell
kadoban [?\]: Wasn't it briefly in byoyomi before?
]
;W[kc]C[Cyphase [?\]: ZeNit, that would be dramatic :)
Anatoly [2d?\]: Kim: "Lee Sedol's endgame is excellent" 
]
;B[kb]C[WinPooh [3k\]: Please make a triple ko draw
blau3: interesting that B preferred B14 (conceding two new ko threats) over B15, probably for the benefit of the lower half of his group
weiqi5 [3k?\]: not possible in Chinese rules
DrSFBrains [2k\]: BigDoug:  You tell us not to talk about SE, but it is a part of KGS.  It seems to me that you should complain to the people who made KGS...
kadoban [?\]: chinese rules don't have a draw for triple-ko
weiqi5 [3k?\]: Kim thinkgs the Ko at N10 may matter
danielhast [3k\]: Kim: ko at n10 might matter
Starstorm3 [4d\]: oh wow, game decided by ko?
]
;W[oh]C[Starstorm3 [4d\]: ah so big!
USSRMan [3d\]: lol alphago sorry he wasted so many ko threats then
botBot [?\]: what ko?
weiqi5 [3k?\]: she still has more
Sava [2k\]: m17
vincero [?\]: alphago has plenty of ko threats around R7
USSRMan [3d\]: "it wasted so many ko threats"
weiqi5 [3k?\]: N10 ko
TAZZ [-\]: excuse please, is 4-0 to alpha? 
MaLa [3d\]: chinese tournament rules have draw for triple ko...
vincero [?\]: 3-1 alpha
go7734 [4d\]: b15 is one point worse
weiqi5 [3k?\]: 3-1
Doli [7k\]: 3:1
julbla [4k\]: 3-1
tengen9001: no
Tonight [5k\]: 3-1
Azal [2d\]: 3 1
tengen9001: 3-1
iamjli [6k\]: 2-2
Canarmane [-\]: o14
Cyphase [?\]: aaah, that was close on time
weiqi5 [3k?\]: (WHole room shouting :)
]
;B[nf]C[Starstorm3 [4d\]: hehe humanity is defensive about our one win ;)
manuel97 [3k\]: 3-1
go7734 [4d\]: b15 would mean black must fill another point later to stay alive
TAZZ [-\]: thx ;)
co0l3r1: where is ko?
dddwyp [19k\]: blackT16
Turnipsi [1k\]: lol
indogo [5k?\]: s4 ko?
hojyosoun [1d\]: Tazz : 3:2 after this one
Kolie34A: is it close now?
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: very useful questions
juggler [?\]: 3-1  - 90%, 4-0 5%, 2-2 4%, Other - 1%
ZeNit [?\]: hopefully 3:2
leachy [2k\]: humanity also made the 3 other wins
Azal [2d\]: o16 seems points in sente
TAZZ [-\]: cheers been busy
kadoban [?\]: It's insanely close.
Cyphase [?\]: alphago playing faster now (of course)
dehuong [1k\]: b18 
musmos [6d\]: l13
botBot [?\]: its end game
]
;W[lc]C[DrSFBrains [2k\]: M17 played. I believe
weiqi5 [3k?\]: "I think white won" (Kim)
blau3: go7734: i suspected so, but couldn't read it out
Sakka [4k\]: ffh
Starstorm3 [4d\]: noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Havardr [14k?\]: Zenith thinks black is winning
dehuong [1k\]: stop saying bad things
DnFBlitz [1k?\]: even if white wins, this was an amazing game
reym2: alphago plays in 25s approx
botBot [?\]: w ahead 
Azal [2d\]: wtf is zenith ?
USSRMan [3d\]: alphago sees the win
hojyosoun [1d\]: kim.... is a good game narrator, he turn us upside down
TAZZ [-\]: 3.5 i counted earlier
Canarmane [-\]: has to o13 now, no?
AgntCooper [2k\]: kim says changes his mind every move
]
;B[bb]C[Canarmane [-\]: or else w n13?
Tictactoe [-\]: ko
Winkla [7k\]: KGS say w+43,5 xD
BBTheory [2d\]: ko
Beleragor [7k\]: thats true, kim has been changing every move
Turnipsi [1k\]: AG don't want to lose on time while aja huang collects the dead stones
arcturus [2k?\]: what does ke jie say
matiej [7k\]: Kim might have a bug in endgame. :)
DrSFBrains [2k\]: Starstorm: what is the matter?
weiqi5 [3k?\]: white has more ko threats
c137 [2k\]: w+3.5 atm
weiqi5 [3k?\]: (Kim)
Becubio [3k\]: w+7.5
botBot [?\]: no ko
cheater [8d\]: White wins for sure
]
(;W[cb]C[kadoban [?\]: turnipsi: You can't lose on time while collecting dead stones I don't think.
botBot [?\]: w ahead 
USSRMan [3d\]: alphago knows it can win without ko
TAZZ [-\]: its infallibility beats its self SE
botBot [?\]: yes
USSRMan [3d\]: 0.5 win, i can predict it
Hyaki [6k\]: lee's so quick to take stones off the board
weiqi5 [3k?\]: it's a pity looks like Lee had a big chance
kadoban [?\]: Yeah, kim seems to think white won.
botBot [?\]: SE is not relevant in this game.. the rule in SE is for japanese rules
julbla [4k\]: what says ke jie and gu li?
Turnipsi [1k\]: usually there's a limit on the number of stones telling when you are allowed to pause the clock, might be different on this match though
Kolie34A: w+6.5
Rephos [23k\]: 4-1 lol
none [8k\]: who is leading?
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: the value neural net doesnt come up with a specific count
botBot [?\]: w leading
]
;B[aa]C[dehuong [1k\]: no
]
;W[gk]C[USSRMan [3d\]: time for timcook to make Igo
ghaele [4d?\]: w by little
chudu [2k\]: white :-)
weiqi5 [3k?\]: Kim menas, B8 was the bad move
Tonight [5k\]: chudu y are u happy?
botBot [?\]: w ahead about +5
DrSFBrains [2k\]: Don't say "SE" Starstorm3 or BigDoug gets very angry.
AutoAtari [2k?\]: Michael Redmond still has p11 and q13 on his board (for a long time)
Bisqwit [-\]: Starstorm3: It also involves running the entire AI that calculates moves and determines the winning percentage based on the outcome of those simulated games.
AutoAtari [2k?\]: that would be q9 and r7 here
botBot [?\]: yes, dont use SE in this game.. it is not relevant
robsclone: ~68pts for black - redmond
weiqi5 [3k?\]: AlphaGos endgame wasn't perfect, according to Kim.
robsclone: he's trying for a closer count
DrSFBrains [2k\]: H8
]
;B[hl]C[botBot [?\]: g8 was a very slow move
Krellan [22k?\]: Wow, is this the first time AlphaGo has had to go into byo-yomi?
USSRMan [3d\]: so it has endgame errors
Sweetrip [9d\]: a15 super big for black
robsclone: H8 is fun...will w answer?
Tictactoe [-\]: tell those guys to keep the camera over the board^^
Sweetrip [9d\]: a5
DrSFBrains [2k\]: H9
]
;W[hk]C[Sweetrip [9d\]: double sente
vincero [?\]: K12 surely
robsclone: 61w 68b, is the estimate for redmond
go7734 [4d\]: yeah a5 is big
ghaele [4d?\]: w will win....
botBot [?\]: LSD please dont resign
weiqi5 [3k?\]: "More than half a point even before the ko"
botBot [?\]: we want a count
Becubio [3k\]: k5 h3
itaparica [11k\]: Michael Redmond: B+0,5
Sweetrip [9d\]: dont know why alphago wont play there, after all the useless sente moves it did play befoe
juggler [?\]: a5 = only 2 points?
TheBear [9k\]: W by 2.5 i think 
]
;B[jh]C[trippin [3k\]: t16 reverse sente right?
Starstorm3 [4d\]: ohhh K12 big
SIscurge [5d\]: itaparica - why dont u at least quote correctly
USSRMan [3d\]: it will a5
mtarn567 [6k\]: was the loss of the stones at e4 worth it? 
Deterra [11k?\]: looks that way trippin
USSRMan [3d\]: it likes to force 
]
;W[kg]C[weiqi5 [3k?\]: "White made a mistake"
Starstorm3 [4d\]: what was the mistake??
trippin [3k\]: w makes mistakes willingly if its winning
none [8k\]: 0.5 for B
Becubio [3k\]: m14
weiqi5 [3k?\]: "or maybe not"
itaparica [11k\]: sorry siscurge
vincero [?\]: A5 now
sloy [1k\]: Sorry just joined the game. Who s ahead please?
DrSFBrains [2k\]: Is M14 still possible?
]
;B[lf]C[Nachos [17k?\]: I dont think AlphaGo is counting correctly. Or dosent know what is dead and alive 1005
Turnipsi [1k\]: no chance whatsoever for b
botBot [?\]: w is ahead
c137 [2k\]: i have w+2.5
]
;W[kh]C[Nachos [17k?\]: 100%
sloy [1k\]: Ok thank you
Cyphase [?\]: ooh
]
;B[lh]C[weiqi5 [3k?\]: "Lee Sedol is going for ko"
weiqi5 [3k?\]: "This game might be finished"
Becubio [3k\]: ko time?
Sweetrip [9d\]: b wins
julbla [4k\]: lol
narugo [1d\]: ha
Dantek [1d\]: yay
Starstorm3 [4d\]: if he's going for ko, hardly finished?
]
;W[le]C[narugo [1d\]: confusing
weiqi5 [3k?\]: "I would say black gained a little bit"
Naphthalin [11k?\]: but sweetrip, alphago totally wins?
robsclone: redmind: "at this point it looks like white is going to have a lead of a few points"
julbla [4k\]: so complicated 
robsclone: "black will be ahead on the baord"
Tonight [5k\]: sweetrip are u pro?
]
;B[kf]C[AutoAtari [2k?\]: wow, so looks like 4-1?
Sweetrip [9d\]: black wins
Starstorm3 [4d\]: hehe this is hilarious, they're both switching back and forth
DrKar [-\]: Yes
USSRMan [3d\]: so close
Starstorm3 [4d\]: kim and redmond
]
;W[jg]C[botBot [?\]: close fight, but w wins
kadoban [?\]: "this is better than game 2"
USSRMan [3d\]: well white made bad mistake in opening
Havardr [14k?\]: redmond needs to remove teh r-7 off his board
USSRMan [3d\]: so this is how white plays from behind
Sweetrip [9d\]: what is the mistake you speak of ussr?
]
;B[ao]C[rs220675 [2d\]: how could sedol lose this game? why his deep invasion? tough one
robsclone: a5?
USSRMan [3d\]: read demishassabis twitter
Starstorm3 [4d\]: ohhh he got the big A5
]
;W[lj]C[Hyaki [6k\]: ko !
robsclone: ohhhh
weiqi5 [3k?\]: Could Chinese counting still make any difference if it is so close?
dehuong [1k\]: Ko time
Sweetrip [9d\]: a5 is so big
]
;B[ki]C[Sweetrip [9d\]: and what in the world is m10
Starstorm3 [4d\]: can B just back off the k?
Sweetrip [9d\]: ridiculous
vincero [?\]: L11 >> M10
Starstorm3 [4d\]: i suppose
Turnipsi [1k\]: a7 like 5 points
kadoban [?\]: Yeah, bit hard to see why white doesn't play useful sente when it plays so many ... useless ones.
G361 [10k\]: Who is ahead, please ?
]
;W[jn]
;B[km]C[rs220675 [2d\]: white
juggler [?\]: about a5 being so big - but white a7 and trhowin and it's only 2 points? what am I missing
reym2: w
DrSFBrains [2k\]: very close G361
G361 [10k\]: Thanks.
G361 [10k\]: ^^
]
;W[sn]C[robsclone: T6, hmm
rs220675 [2d\]: actually, if AG still plays here you know it wins, period.
ZeNit [?\]: please white, stop
USSRMan [3d\]: demis hassabis said alphago thinks it played a bad opeining
dehuong [1k\]: W reduces Ko itself
Sweetrip [9d\]: judging by how alphago played this game, i would never have guessed it won 3-0 in the first three
SamSpade [2d\]: i bet LSD would be better after 30 million games
Sweetrip [9d\]: the endgame is horrific
blau3: juggler: if B gets a7, this saves him a lot of wataris (edge connections)
]
;B[on]C[jayantu [4k\]: b r7 now
]
;W[rp]C[AutoAtari [2k?\]: don't take LSD, it's bad for you
vincero [?\]: !!!!!!!!
Konoha [2k\]: what???
rs220675 [2d\]: I think if ke jie plays this version now he wins 4-1
juggler [?\]: i see how a7 now is very big. I don't see how a5 was earlier :)
USSRMan [3d\]: it lost
go7734 [4d\]: ??
Starstorm3 [4d\]: is alpha desperate?
go7734 [4d\]: either it lost or it won
kadoban [?\]: Sweetrip: I think it's known to make mistakes in endgame if it still wins with them.
Beleragor [7k\]: i dont get this move
go7734 [4d\]: not sure which
botBot [?\]: what is s4..
dehuong [1k\]: I bet for humanity
robsclone: "it's more like 70 points for black, now" - Redmond
]
;B[rq]C[NoSeki [5k?\]: Who is leading?
python112: B
USSRMan [3d\]: B wins
weiqi5 [3k?\]: "2.5 points for AlphaGo"
nero [1k\]: w
botBot [?\]: w leads
go7734 [4d\]: wait s4 didn't lose any points
]
;W[pk]
;B[qm]C[Turnipsi [1k\]: actually after a7 w needs to make another throw in at b7 later, so it's just like 1 point
go7734 [4d\]: why did b s3
Sweetrip [9d\]: m10 did lose points
Turnipsi [1k\]: I was totally wrong
Nachos [17k?\]: why des it think it can save those stones?
wry [3d\]: s4 sente against the corner
tjn4fh814: it depends on the result now :).
]
;W[sf]C[rs220675 [2d\]: i feel like sedol should have won this
Hyaki [6k\]: lee is suffering
go7734 [4d\]: ok yeah w would have lived inside
robsclone: i feel the same rs220675
Havardr [14k?\]: Zenith Go says bwins by 6.5
]
;B[sd]C[ZeNit [?\]: It's just playing bad moves to annoy the human ;)
weiqi5 [3k?\]: Now Kim said he didn't count correctly, but AlphaGo was leading all along
vincero [?\]: What was the move that LSD took as tenuki in exchange for the monkey jump at T14? I feel that he ended up losing out with t14...
DrSFBrains [2k\]: It wants to put Lee Sedol on tilt...
]
;W[ma]C[weiqi5 [3k?\]: (After F2)
Turnipsi [1k\]: g8
botBot [?\]: bongo: when u run down by car and if  someone laugh, how do u feel? u choose  to machine win over person , what's wrong?
kadoban [?\]: It goes by win percentage, not points ... so if any move is a small enough mistake to only lose points and not the game, it doesn't care.
robsclone: hmm.... n19
jayantu [4k\]: white wins + 10 ppoints
m1m [1k\]: k5 
]
;B[na]C[Becubio [3k\]: L9
USSRMan [3d\]: a7 kind of big
vincero [?\]: K5 is still big
kadoban [?\]: Which apparently leads to some pretty weird endgame.
Becubio [3k\]: D15
blau3: USSRMan: as I said ;-)
Naphthalin [11k?\]: j15 h15
thepizza [9k?\]: garlock wants to use SE
]
;W[ie]
;B[he]C[Respect38: Weird is interesting.
DrSFBrains [2k\]: K5 looks very big to me
go7734 [4d\]: a7 is not so big
Turnipsi [1k\]: a7 1 point
weiqidevil [-\]: a7 is like one point gote?
]
;W[hq]C[go7734 [4d\]: a7 one point gote or les
Tonight [5k\]: W +40.5
go7734 [4d\]: also removes a4 sente
]
;B[ms]C[botBot [?\]: a7 forcing move thou
KFC [4k?\]: K5 is so big
USSRMan [3d\]: doesnt black have to fil though
blau3: a7 renders 19, a11 into points, too
Kolie34A: w + 8.5
go7734 [4d\]: if a7 b will have 3 points capturing w stones
Kolie34A: I think
c137 [2k\]: ^^ 8.5
Havardr [14k?\]: b +3.5
]
;W[ko]C[USSRMan [3d\]: oh thats true
]
;B[lp]C[go7734 [4d\]: if no a7 b will get 4 points including a9 and a11
Turnipsi [1k\]: but a7 gets captured, as does the follow up b7
go7734 [4d\]: and w also lose out on a4 sente
Sabbaticus [6k\]: so......who is ahead?
rs220675 [2d\]: again folks: the fact AG still plays says it will win
ivoSF [2d\]: a7 looks like 2 points gote
USSRMan [3d\]: yeah, why didnt alphago just a5 lol
ohiioi: b ahead ?
go7734 [4d\]: so it may not be worth any points
USSRMan [3d\]: sente 
]
;W[kp]C[robsclone: "i think we've run out of large moves, in the end-game" - Redmond
daisuki [4k\]: 3-2
vincero [?\]: No, the fact that AG still plays says it thinks it has >20% chance to win
DrSFBrains [2k\]: L15
Becubio [3k\]: D15
pipu [5d\]: if alpha plays thinks like m10 then i suppose it wins...
kadoban [?\]: vincero: Which this late means it's either won or it's bugged I'd think.
botBot [?\]: w wins at least 5pt?
USSRMan [3d\]: its a hard count
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: g6?
]
;B[lo]C[vincero [?\]: I agree but it's a technical difference
rs220675 [2d\]: @vince...and thats only possible if it looks pretty good in this stage of the game
robsclone: this is a hard count
DrKar [-\]:  Probably best se inside algo
kadoban [?\]: Yes, technically not the same.
]
;W[fs]
;B[ks]C[honeybadgr [1d\]: What's the best score estimate now?
Becubio [3k\]: ko is the biggest now for b
Tonight [5k\]: a4 sente?
kadoban [?\]: white + a few
Starstorm3 [4d\]: yea does kim or redmond say who is winning now?
DrKar [-\]: Tygem
rs220675 [2d\]: i agree, maybe ko can change something
robsclone: b seems very confident in their quickness of moves but...
jayantu [4k\]: w+10 
]
;W[el]
;B[fm]C[sdfsdfdd: w way ahead
Amazing [-\]: w~2.5
USSRMan [3d\]: thats because the move is simple
largehc [-\]: Rip sedol 
kadoban [?\]: Kim seems to have given up on the game, white won (I believe, they're going back through old stuff because it's not interesting anymore I think)
Milo234 [1k\]: no
vincero [?\]: robsclone: it's because white's moves are forcing
Milo234 [1k\]: black is leading by six
Milo234 [1k\]: White has almost no chance
]
;W[hm]C[IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: without komi?
jayantu [4k\]: no its white winning
leachy [2k\]: how can we get so many wildly different claims for the score here?
o0key [9k\]: W+7pts ?
vincero [?\]: 7.5 komi
sdfsdfdd: w + 12
BBTheory [2d\]: a7 ?
Sabbaticus [6k\]: Because people don't know how to count
robsclone: you're right, vincero
kadoban [?\]: That doesn't sound accurate milo ... unless my own count was terrible, that's not possible.
botBot [?\]: milo you need to recount
robsclone: that makes sense
Milo234 [1k\]: hm
Milo234 [1k\]: ok
Becubio [3k\]: c9?
Kolie34A: I think white lose if no komi
Rodriguezd [3d\]: a4
sdfsdfdd: ugh a7
largehc [-\]: I think SE is correct 
rs220675 [2d\]: kolie...but it is komi
Badduck [2d?\]: a7
botBot [?\]: its a fair match with komi
mtarn567 [6k\]: w wants to reduce dame of b maybe with descend tesuji of a7
]
;B[am]C[hkterry [3d\]: Those high dans must be laughing;)
dddwyp [19k\]: black E14
juggler [?\]: i hope that no poor korean kid will have to learn this game by heart with an endgame
mtarn567 [6k\]: seedol saw it lol
]
;W[kk]C[Le0na99 [4k\]: who win?
Dilemma [2d\]: q16 sente?
kadoban [?\]: juggler: lol yeah the random ajikeshi is probably not helpful with memorizing the game.
Becubio [3k\]: that was so big
Tonight [5k\]: l15 ?
Turnipsi [1k\]: w+2.5 or so
]
;B[ne]C[rs220675 [2d\]: can somebody call god and ask for the objective count here?^^
jayantu [4k\]: its w+16 including komi
go7734 [4d\]: in addition to random ajikeshi we have random bad moves
honeybadgr [1d\]: juggler, are you really a juggler?
honeybadgr [1d\]: I was the 1980 IJA champ.
Starstorm3 [4d\]: I count W+2.5
Tictactoe [-\]: didn't i call W=2.5 at mv 5?
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: *zenith go
juggler [?\]: wow - cool. I'm a bad ex-juggler. Can keep 5 clubs for a while
BigDoug [-\]: honeybadgr, please keep the comments about the game
BigDoug [-\]: you too juggler
rs220675 [2d\]: but if it is more than 1.5 lee would have resigned
gogonuts [4d\]: sure looks close to me
Cyphase [?\]: approaching 5 hours of play
]
;W[of]C[rs220675 [2d\]: he must feel that a ko can change it
Starstorm3 [4d\]: perhaps Lee wants to do it to the end? or maybe I miscounted bny 1 and it's only W+1.5
]
;B[de]C[SamuBlaa [7k\]: when did they start?
largehc [-\]: Almost over 
Milo234 [1k\]: I stand by my count. Black is definitely going to win
kadoban [?\]: So sleepy, but ... can't sleep, endgame will eat me.
]
;W[ap]C[jayantu [4k\]: no sorry ;(
AutoAtari [2k?\]: I count w±30
juggler [?\]: sure - my comment about memorizing the game was on topic I think. It was meant to mean "the game is so complicated and feels random at some points""
Starstorm3 [4d\]: oh!
botBot [?\]: Miko234.. you need to use chinese rules to count
Tonight [5k\]: black missed
Starstorm3 [4d\]: C19?
Tonight [5k\]: ?
jayantu [4k\]: w+14
m1m [1k\]: b wins acording to japanese
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: q16
honeybadgr [1d\]: How did b not get a4???
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: w confident of win or loss bc a4 isnt best
DrKar [-\]: Bigd you are acting like a cop
gogonuts [4d\]: halfpointer, imo
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: q16 would have been bigger
robsclone: there were bigger moves i believe
DrKar [-\]: No offense
Naphthalin [11k?\]: after a4, definitely
Starstorm3 [4d\]: c19 d19 d18 e19 e16 e16? but I guess W doesnt have to D19 to win?
vincero [?\]: g7 is sente
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: redmond is copying me
kadoban [?\]: miko: Pretty sure you're just miscounting ... I've done it a few times. I'm not terribly accurate, but it's outside of my usual error bars, and none of the pros agree with you also.
]
;B[ee]C[GodofGo [6d\]: getting a white win by 1.5 at least
honeybadgr [1d\]: a4 should have been b sente, right?
robsclone: oh, interesting
js13 [1k\]: b+1.5
grolich [-\]: the watching pros on the different sources all claim a clear white win from here
icecream99 [1d?\]: w+3.5 
robsclone: Redmond said when ALphaGo makes conservative moves like A4, it means it thinks its winning
]
;W[ed]C[Doli [7k\]: w+1000
jayantu [4k\]: KO!
WinPooh [3k\]: both +1.5
GodofGo [6d\]: depends on how they play out the rest but a safe w win now
botBot [?\]: w yose is not good
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: ago would have resigned if it thought it were behind taking that out
Kolie34A: w+1.5,very close....
Turnipsi [1k\]: certain win is good enough
]
;B[ke]C[wry [3d\]: a4 was odd
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: so i guess ag thinks it won
kadoban [?\]: myungwan kim seems disappointed that alphago isn't perfect, hehe.
grolich [-\]: GodofGo - would you say it's like 0.5 or 2.5+ for white? 
icecream99 [1d?\]: More than 1.5
AutoAtari [2k?\]: Lee Sedol doesn't look very happy
kadoban [?\]: He's falling out of love XD
Deterra [11k?\]: Lee Sedol didn't wanna pee his pants
atomicholt [?\]: clock is stopped?
begue: White won?
Nachos [17k?\]: Alpha is gonna crap the bed in 3... 2... 1...
]
;W[kd]C[botBot [?\]: lsd walked out abit
jayantu [4k\]: deterra what are u saing ?
robsclone: stil on. Lee's just leaving the rom a sec
Gotham88 [4k\]: maybe lee is bored.
co0l3r1: why SE is so wrong?
JoostW [7k?\]: +4.5 for W
c137 [2k\]: b5 , F3 trade was the loss?
Krellan [22k?\]: Does the AlphaGo operator get to take a pee break too at the same time?
Becubio [3k\]: LSD hasnt go to the toilette???
Deterra [11k?\]: Saying Lee went to the bathroom
botBot [?\]: dont use SE now... SE is using japanese rules
Mausler2: interesting that the clock gets stopped
Hyaki [6k\]: lee escape
jayantu [4k\]: he the last human being fightin against the supremacy of machines 
none [8k\]: =)) SE of KGS so stupid
Zozo82 [7k\]: q16?
Chilltime [1d?\]: +4,5
Gotham88 [4k\]: they can do that?
hkterry [3d\]: Lee is running out of cigarettes
Kolie34A: n13
kadoban [?\]: alphago needed a bathroom break
Gotham88 [4k\]: it's like cheaping?
Tictactoe [-\]: se relies on japanese counting, since the rules here are chinese se gets confused over prisoners
Gotham88 [4k\]: lol
weiqi5 [3k?\]: yes, even at amateur tournaments that's ok
blau3: B f9, threatening d9?
c137 [2k\]: If its their opponents move they can ask
tjn4fh814: well supremacy ... bets machine vs best human :p
uguryldz [2k?\]: Yes they can pee
botBot [?\]: none you will get kicked by admin
Gotham88 [4k\]: so they can use this to think?
Becubio [3k\]: how can you see the SE of KGS for this game???
asdfasdf: i like chinese counting
BigDoug [-\]: please stop the pee references
asdfasdf: less ambiguity
reym2: don't talk about SE, you'll get banned by BigDoug like i was
V [3k\]: Lol
Sabbaticus [6k\]: I don't believe it. It looks like W won
asdfasdf: much clearer rules on ko
RedLeaf [5d\]: w+2.5 most probably
asdfasdf: just connect
Krellan [22k?\]: Assuming this game goes to scoring, it will be interesting to see how the scoring would have worked across the various counting systems
santiago [2d\]: 1/2 point win for alphago?
Swarm [6k\]: wait, who won?
DrKar [-\]: I relayed 3 games of Lee seedol and I shifted 10 ranks
botBot [?\]: w
reym2: at least admin directive in bold it's easier to see and respect before being banned
jayantu [4k\]: copy it to another room catcht the stones at the right side and use Score SE from KGS
Slug [1k\]: If you offend BigDoug he will ban you
Swarm [6k\]: who won?
wry [3d\]: TheCaptain won
robsclone: has been quite a battle....
kadoban [?\]: ? it's actually relevent to the game, they're on a break for bathroom ...
Gotham88 [4k\]: what does se shows white win by so much
pipu [5d\]: can't predict the score cos alpha might play slack :)
Tictactoe [-\]: yes, i think it's W +1.5 or 2.5
Krellan [22k?\]: Could it be a win under JP rules but a loss under CN rules, or vice versa?
Turnipsi [1k\]: lee sedol taking a break but he lost
Starstorm3 [4d\]: I maintain W+2.5
highhand [5k\]: how come both so slow, at this stage of game? remaining yose complicated?
robsclone: Myungwan is suggesting a w+1.5
Naphthalin [11k?\]: @Krellan: only with some seki
Seshiro703: The difference between Japanese and Chinese couting is generally next to 0. The SE is horribly wrong most of the time
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: q16
dreamland [2d?\]: what was losing move?
KoriG [13k\]: resign?
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: se thinks white group lower right is alive
SamuBlaa [7k\]: whats the difference between japanese and chinese rules?
kadoban [?\]: Yeah teh SE is just bugged, it's not because of chinese vs japanese scoring itself.
USSRMan [3d\]: white + 0.5
Becubio [3k\]: e14 or L8 or F9 no more
santiago [2d\]: because it thinks r8 is dead, and it miscounts with chinese rules
robsclone: there won't be a resign, i hope
Gotham88 [4k\]: oh
JoostW [7k?\]: how can SE even think that :o
robsclone: i want to see it counted
botBot [?\]: lsd is back
kkachi [1d\]: next time should play a bangneki match against lee sedol
mtarn567 [6k\]: Chinese count by area. 
daisuki [4k\]: W+1.5
Swarm [6k\]: i counted and had 0.5 difference
KoyoToya [-\]: Komi is 7.5
Swarm [6k\]: but well
botBot [?\]: LSD back in his seat now
Sava [2k\]: q16
Le0na99 [4k\]: Lee Resign?
robsclone: thanks botBot
]
;B[pd]C[Krellan [22k?\]: I wish the SE feature let the player indicate which groups should be dead/alive
Naphthalin [11k?\]: q16
BigDoug [-\]: please stop the SE comments. SE is inaccurate and we all know that
Becubio [3k\]: wow
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: thank you
Hyaki [6k\]: right
leachy [2k\]: @samublaa: it's the same if both make the same number of moves, but if black gets an extra move, black gets an extra point overall
botBot [?\]: thank you BigDoug
SamuBlaa [7k\]: ok
]
;W[pg]C[JoostW [7k?\]: next match: AlphaGo vs SE
Krellan [22k?\]: What's komi on this game?
MrGimbap [12k?\]: when is the next game between alphago and human ??
begue: 7.5
Slug [1k\]: how old is this guy?
]
;B[ng]C[KoyoToya [-\]: 7.5
Krellan [22k?\]: Thanks
cohen [4k?\]: I count 62.5 for w
kadoban [?\]: lee sedol is like ... 32?
Becubio [3k\]: i didnt expect q16, maybe to retire the threats of AlphaGo
mtarn567 [6k\]: if Chinese rule komi is 7.5
KoyoToya [-\]: Like mid twenties i think
beutheu [?\]: he was born in 1983
jayantu [4k\]: so its w+14 like Seedol Estimation says
SamuBlaa [7k\]: who is the current pro rank 1?
]
;W[sk]C[robsclone: such a battle
]
;B[rn]C[KoyoToya [-\]: Ke Jie
SamuBlaa [7k\]: i understood lee sedol wasn't the first
DrKar [-\]: Jiang weijie
KoyoToya [-\]: Samu blaa
SamuBlaa [7k\]: :D
Cyphase [?\]: Cyphase-San
Doli [7k\]: I am.
KoyoToya [-\]: it's Ke Jie
MaLa [3d\]: tartrate
Tonight [5k\]: Ali Jabarin is #1
wry [3d\]: AlphaGo-sensei is #1
Kolie34A: w+2.5
botBot [?\]: AlphaGo is still in prototype stage. it is not even in beta =)
]
;W[fk]C[IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: that is meaningless
Meloe [-\]: who wins ?
]
;B[kl]C[IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: you can call it alpha if you want
Becubio [3k\]: nice
indogo [5k?\]: and it's even release yet ^^
V [3k\]: So why it is Alpha?
Gotham88 [4k\]: the commentator isnt sure too
]
;W[gm]
;B[bm]C[robsclone: lol botBot
JunLing [1k\]: R9 
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: if its playing a $1mm challenge against world champ their verisoning system is off
mtarn567 [6k\]: I was eyeballing f7
largehc [-\]: Because it's a prototype 
DrKar [-\]: Jiang weijie always wins against ke jie
]
;W[lk]C[botBot [?\]: because alpha means it is a prototype?
]
;B[ck]C[indogo [5k?\]: it isn't stable version :D
begue: Alphabet is the new name of Google.
hkterry [3d\]: Redmond wont tell you who is winning
botBot [?\]: whats wrong with the versioning?
KoyoToya [-\]: Goratings.org
tjn4fh814: interesting might be if there ill be bots with some kind of 'personality'... history of learning does matter for those systems i would think.
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: alpha is from alphabet (google company name)
goren22 [2k\]: 74r9
gogonuts [4d\]: ban alpha-beta jokes
c137 [2k\]: w+2.5/3.5 
KoyoToya [-\]: Pretty sure it says Ke Jie
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: almost at end
Becubio [3k\]: R9, E14, O16
]
;W[dk]C[GodofGo [6d\]: now i'm getting a 2.5 w win
vincero [?\]: E14?
DrSFBrains [2k\]: R9
TheWolf [2d\]: r9 
hkterry [3d\]: but I'm pretty sure he knows- and he should know
Becubio [3k\]: of course r9
Turnipsi [1k\]: coildn't even one of the two commenters pay some attention :D
fuyu [4k\]: me too W+2.5
botBot [?\]: IIIllIIll0 [7k\] you need to watch the press conference
TheWolf [2d\]: or o16 
Kolie34A: 4-1 at last :(
papapishu [1d\]: or 1,5 if white can win c19 
kadoban [?\]: 4-1 is a nice result. I'm happy with that.
KoyoToya [-\]: Jiang weijie is number 18
botBot [?\]: im pretty sure AlphaGo is prototype. since it was to compete against Facebook
ZeNit [?\]: I don't understand how black lost this game... :(
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: o16, c19, etc...
DrSFBrains [2k\]: R9 played
]
;B[qk]C[Gotham88 [4k\]: ok, the commentator said, black went wrong somewhere
reym2: a ko at c19 not interesting?
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: redmond is asking where black went wrong :(
Becubio [3k\]: O16 and E14, end of the game
KFC [4k?\]: I though after the 4th match, Lee found his way to win, I was wrong :(((
]
;W[rj]C[weiqi5 [3k?\]: B9
weiqi5 [3k?\]: Kim said, B9 was wrong
DrSFBrains [2k\]: E14
Naphthalin [11k?\]: p16
Naphthalin [11k?\]: *o16
candala [2k\]: 1.5
go7734 [4d\]: w + 2.5
goren22 [2k\]: c19 then e4
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: p16,c19
gogonuts [4d\]: a close loss against a bot is rarely bad luck
GoIngo [?\]: game was decided long before b9, says cs
botBot [?\]: b9 lose points
JoostW [7k?\]: 2.5 also my count
Becubio [3k\]: C19 imposible for b
JoostW [7k?\]: except it's counted with japanese rules
Cyphase [?\]: ~796 observers atm
pipu [5d\]: I guess bot has been in control for a while
reym2: at game 4 the rigt move for aphago was hidden because of the ko (very narrow tree of winning positions) and the ladder (very broad tree of fake winning positions), but it didn't happen here
geomav [7k\]: gonna count chinese
weiqi5 [3k?\]: LSD resigned
o0key [9k\]: w+12.5
Gotham88 [4k\]: wow how did he managed to count so well.
kadoban [?\]: It's already over though, at least it's possible to count.
botBot [?\]: ah... i want to see the count
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: might as well play to end
Tictactoe [-\]: Lee has resigned ? lost on time?
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: get real count
Eternal6k [4k\]: 800 peeps
Ephidel [1k\]: b 38 points bottom right; 11 top right; 3 top; 10 points left + 14 captures = 76 total. white has 27 bottom; 13 top+mid; 16 points right + 18 +7.5 = 81.5
botBot [?\]: LSD resigned
suicao [3d\]: 0,5 point
Turnipsi [1k\]: congrats for AG and thatks tictactoe!
grolich [-\]: w+2.5 
TheBear [9k\]: w by res
AutoAtari [2k?\]: wow
USSRMan [3d\]: its a 0.5 win!
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: only a few more points to counting
grolich [-\]: it seems
hkterry [3d\]: c19 black not enough ko threats
gogonuts [4d\]: 2.5 by japanes count
weaknoob: great game
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: :(
robsclone: no!
Gotham88 [4k\]: thanks,
dehuong [1k\]: L res
Starstorm3 [4d\]: so close
botBot [?\]: W+Res
USSRMan [3d\]: just play it out
Naphthalin [11k?\]: w+2,5
Cyphase [?\]: aww, he looks so sad
go7734 [4d\]: it's 2.5
robsclone: why?!
Naphthalin [11k?\]: (and lsd resigned)
go7734 [4d\]: you can play it out 
Kolie34A: oh
rs220675 [2d\]: this upper invasion was insane, wasn't it?
RedLeaf [5d\]: learn to count o0key
JoostW [7k?\]: 2.5 or 1.5 if B plays E14
indogo [5k?\]: wow, didn't wxpect 
GoIngo [?\]: thx to tictactoe for transmission
Krellan [22k?\]: Wow, he must have read it all out and realized a loss?
Gotham88 [4k\]: it's a close game
weiqi5 [3k?\]: I think he should have counted
Krellan [22k?\]: The closest game yet
LEIBNIZ [2k\]: wow! great game, thanks TTT
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: poor le sedol
degsi: w+r
highhand [5k\]: where to find post game analysis on this site?
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: look so tired
weiqi5 [3k?\]: would have made better press :(
kadoban [?\]: Lee has known it was a loss for quite a while I'm sure.
Kolie34A: :(
BigDoug [-\]: thanks TTT
tempay [2k?\]: man he looks sad
Bisqwit [-\]: Oh man, Lee's face is not a happy face
SamSpade [2d\]: so about 2,5
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: a bold thanks
NeoIGO [5k\]: thanks
robsclone: awwwwwwwww
weaknoob: Thanks for the relay TTT
robsclone: and thank you TTT
weiqi5 [3k?\]: Thank you for transmission!
crate [-\]: you gptta be fooling me  count the game
trippin [3k\]: thanks TTT!
Eternal6k [4k\]: Ty ttt
Korwin [2k\]: who is she?
Naphthalin [11k?\]: thanks for all 5 relays
Tonight [5k\]: W+R?
reym2: yeah thanks tictactoe!
c137 [2k\]: I think K18 was 2 conservative
Kolie34A: Thanks for relaying this 5 games
robsclone: awww...
musmos [6d\]: thanks
Cyphase [?\]: hey, he wanted to be black
DrKar [-\]: Tttt
crate [-\]: sucks!
botBot [?\]: W+Res
crate [-\]: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
musmos [6d\]: this was a historic game
Tictactoe [-\]: You saw tears in sedols eyes regretting a move around l12
rs220675 [2d\]: what makes this loss so bad is that he lost a won game
crate [-\]: finnish stop pre winning you stupid counters
highhand [5k\]: post game analysis where to find here?
arcturus [2k?\]: RIP
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: at least lee won 1
IIIllIIll0 [7k\]: we humans have our consolation prize
robsclone: that's what gets me, is that it was won
Kolie34A: will ke jie challenge alphago
zihao [1k\]:  
robsclone: "won" - i mean
crate [-\]: counting again so stupid ruined it
tjn4fh814: press conference will folow ..
Turnipsi [1k\]: <5 point edge in fuseki hardly counts as a won game yet, even on pro level
TheBear [9k\]: Welp time for Ke Jie to smash the bot
ZeNit [?\]: Ke Jie is our next great hope
SamuBlaa [7k\]: at least lee sedol won one game
pipu [5d\]: Ke Jie will save the human race!!
geomav [7k\]: THANKS TTT
musmos [6d\]: ke jie challnage ag already
robsclone: oh, poor Lee.  i want to see the official count - we get an official count right?
musmos [6d\]: waiting response from google team
Eisenmann [4k\]: I'm so disappoint..
GodofGo [6d\]: ke jie will lose lol
kadoban [?\]: Thanks for the fun all, cya next series.
robsclone: tictactoe thank you!
robsclone: see ya, kadoban
SamuBlaa [7k\]: i was hoping that lee sedol would've won the challenge but oh well
Kolie34A: thanks a lot,bye!
Eisenmann [4k\]: Thks tictactoe. ;)
Gotham88 [4k\]: you mean ke jie will ply against this next?
robsclone: i'm actually very surprised
SamuBlaa [7k\]: alphago is so strong
chudu [2k\]: Kejie has challenged AG?
TheBear [9k\]: Thank you Tictactoe for relaying
BlackSmurf [2k?\]: Tes chudu
ZeNit [?\]: Thanks Tictactoe
Cyphase [?\]: so final score?
AutoAtari [2k?\]: Ke Jie will be utterly destroyed, as the deep mind team will fix the discovered weaknesses in the meantime
highhand [5k\]: like to talk to admin regarding this game, any around?
SamuBlaa [7k\]: what were the weaknesses
SamuBlaa [7k\]: ?
Tictactoe [-\]: Thank you all for the support finding the moves
narugo [1d\]: Ke Jie has harder time, but atleast he dont underestimate aplpha and can try some special vs computer tactics
AutoAtari [2k?\]: one is that it didn't use enough time in difficult situations in game 4
juggler [?\]: the weakness is that it can overlook impossible tesuji :)
robsclone: there didn't really seem to be any so-obvious ones @SamuBlaa
AutoAtari [2k?\]: so it didn't have time to read unusual moves
MrGimbap [12k?\]: so what now about alphago .. another game with humans ?
robsclone: not during the play, at least. a few odd moves, but
oHo [14k\]: bye
AutoAtari [2k?\]: another one is that it doesn't seem to know standard but long forced sequences
crate [-\]: like always they did'nt score the game
mfg: score it yourself.
Doli [7k\]: How many points white was leading?
Cyphase [?\]: psh, i could have won
robsclone: i'm cheering for you, Cyphase
Cody [2k\]: A bit sad that there's no scoring -- there are thousands of people watching go for the first time and they can't even see how a game ends with scoring. 
crate [-\]: no I should have to they have a official ref... for that
crate [-\]: and for the viewers
robsclone: i agree Cody
AutoAtari [2k?\]: they might get scared by the Chinese counting though :p
grolich [-\]: 2.5 
grolich [-\]: it seems
Bisqwit [-\]: Yeah, if they do see counting I would so prefer they see Japanese counting.
Slain [3k\]: btw, how is SE miscalculating so much at this stage of the game?
oonicks: likewise in winning a lost game..
Doli [7k\]: Thanks.
GodofGo [6d\]: it messes up chinese rules
santiago [2d\]: SE doesnt work with chinese scoring
AutoAtari [2k?\]: SE is just totally wrong for Chinese rules
Slain [3k\]: ic
crate [-\]: W+15
Tictactoe [-\]: W +2.5 on the board
Slain [3k\]: yeah, 2.5 was my count too
AutoAtari [2k?\]: W+2.5 if he gets c19
Cody [2k\]: If you view offline and change scoring to Japanese, you'll get a more accurate count
Hollowb55 [12k\]: wow ty for the gme!
AutoAtari [2k?\]: omg, I'm calling it "he" :p
blinry [9k?\]: I'm calling her "her".
AutoAtari [2k?\]: yeah, Kim Myungwan does too, he's somewhat in love
leachy [2k\]: it's a machine....therefore not animate therefore 'it'
Slain [3k\]: Yeah, some moves really seemed like they came from a woman ;p j/k
robsclone: hahaha Slain
BigDoug [-\]: stop the sexist comments
leachy [2k\]: don't assign machines properties they don't have
leachy [2k\]: e14 c19 should be the end
robsclone: i think it was kind of fun that they made it tha way.  Even Redmond personified AG, often.  Speaking of intention and worry and assumption
narugo [1d\]: yep w+2.5
juggler [?\]: even hassabis himself
nhanho [3d?\]: w+2.5 is after komi right?
nhanho [3d?\]: (too lazy to count)
AutoAtari [2k?\]: it does simulate the human way of thinking and learning
BigDoug [-\]: I'm referring to the comment about moves which women make
USSRMan [3d\]: Very interesting game
narugo [1d\]: yes after komi
USSRMan [3d\]: Alphago thinks it played bad in opening, but made a catchup by endgame
AutoAtari [2k?\]: b8 was kinda questionable?
robsclone: it seemed to think it was losing, at some point. when the weird moves briefly appeared
AutoAtari [2k?\]: yeah it was cool to see alphago come back after those weird moves, and snatch a win
oonicks: i counted lee ahead all the way untill it enclosed 8 pts around h5
robsclone: interesting
AutoAtari [2k?\]: maybe it was trying to throw off Lee Sedol? :p
narugo [1d\]: black sould have get time to play j3 first
robsclone: that territory could look like the exact right amount to lose/win on
narugo [1d\]: g16 or someting secuence ended for gote
physics [2k\]: Who won
r0n1n [2d\]: W+ ~2.5
physics [2k\]: Wow
robsclone: it was a fight
crate [-\]: B+0.5
js13 [1k\]: did lee resign? or count the score? missed a while
gocrazy432 [8k\]: resign
robsclone: lee resigned :-/  we dont' get an official count, it looks like
oonicks: also when it played m9 i thought it was sure it had won
js13 [1k\]: wat? ok thx
robsclone: but the +w ~2.5 seems close
Turnipsi [1k\]: w was comfortably ahead with its moyo, even surviving the huge loss of e7 stones connecting
USSRMan [3d\]: Demis Hassabis Twitter
js13 [1k\]: gg for lee sedol
USSRMan [3d\]: He thinks AlphaGo made a huge comeback from an inital setback
robsclone: how long has it been taking for the conference?
robsclone: i'm so sleepy
Turnipsi [1k\]: wchich means this is what AlphaGo thinks what happened
oonicks: i even wonder if it did on purpose:)
robsclone: i'm gonna have to catch teh convference, tomor])
(;W[pk]
;B[qm]
;W[cb]C[Buddy514 [5k?\]: actually, they said yesterday that you have to remove stones before your turn ends according to koreaan rules.
herissondu [3d\]: it's korean counting, everything can happen
Starstorm3 [4d\]: can we get AlphaGo's Value neural net to replace SE? I feel like it's pretty bgood
])))
