(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
PW[CrazyStone]PB[HajinLee]WR[7d]DT[2016-05-22]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[CrazyStone [7d\]: GTP Engine for CrazyStone (white): Crazy Stone version http://remi.coulom.free.fr/CrazyStone/ . Crazy Stone will play a game with Hajin Lee on Sunday 22nd, 20:00 KST, 13:00 CEST, with live comments on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTji1kQNoWIH85dB_Vxka9g
eserstdx: go haylee :)
r16 [6k\]: Haylee \\o/
Toge [1d\]: \\o/
zwim [5k\]: where is the betting system ?
aries8497 [8k\]: ?
aries8497 [8k\]: this game doesn't have time setting?
Isla [?\]: gg
eric1010 [?\]: hajin lee ...
eric1010 [?\]: <3
Toge [1d\]: She has a channel on YouTube with lots of commented games: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTji1kQNoWIH85dB_Vxka9g
Grey28 [5d\]: hi all'
holosys [8k\]: this is the link for this game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTYr4EJ5K64
aries8497 [8k\]: what about crazystone move/10mins? :))
RemiCoulom [6k?\]: Crazy Stone will play a move in 20 seconds.
YoungPro [-\]: isn't that too fast?
RemiCoulom [6k?\]: This way I have an excuse for losing.
r16 [6k\]: it could take longer, that would make it stronger surely?
jieke [5k\]: Cool
Koons [?\]: Remi :)
yauwing [?\]: what cpu this crazystone is using?
Koons [?\]: will Haylee have time constraints?
aries8497 [8k\]: now other bot can play even with pro, haizz
YoungPro [-\]: really.. 20 seconds too short mhm..
Grey28 [5d\]: Let's see how CS will play
dohduhdah [1k\]: if the main time is something like 20 minutes, it should be ok
AlphaGox [3d\]: start？
Manslay [4k?\]: Remi, does CS have some kind of opening book database?
maciek [2d\]: match of the year!!!
aries8497 [8k\]: 20s/move, 150 moves x20= 3000s=50 mins
okiol [1k\]: i think there is no even fairly strong bot that hasn't learned some opening from either human games or human joseki/fuseki dictionaries
Manslay [4k?\]: Good luck, Haylee!
maciek [2d\]: 20s per move can cause trobles to talk during playing for Haylee
kasperl [2k\]: bot has no chance
okiol [1k\]: which is the same for humans :)
maciek [2d\]: GO HAYLEE <3
aries8497 [8k\]: well this game is 1h30~2h
r16 [6k\]: Haylee <3 <3
Iki [12k\]: t'es rendu ici aussi Laynha ^^ t'espartout toi
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[qd]
;W[dd]
;B[pq]C[m1m [1k\]: CS does not stand a chance now
]
;W[dp]C[okiol [1k\]: aries, if the byo yomi is 20 seconds per move, the average move will probably be like... 5 seconds
]
;B[fc]C[LinuxGooo [3k\]: hello :-)
]
;W[hc]C[dohduhdah [1k\]: ah good.. no time limit
LinuxGooo [3k\]: will this game screencasted and be reviewed later ? :-)
maciek [2d\]: deep learning technology vs heart and charm!
TeaH [1k\]: b+5
]
;B[oc]C[maciek [2d\]: so cool there is no time limit
dohduhdah [1k\]: you can view live commenting on Haylee's youtube channel
Grey28 [5d\]: fast
]
;W[po]C[LinuxGooo [3k\]: oh, nice... :-)
aries8497 [8k\]: i predict b+res :))
Headshot [3d\]: CS will have hard time ..
maciek [2d\]: yeah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTYr4EJ5K64
maciek [2d\]: live comentary by HAylee
flauschy [4k\]: funny that the commentary is behind
Araneae [4k\]: why no handi?
BreizhI [2k\]: Remi, depuis les developpements fait par Google, il y a eu des modifications sur CS de fait ? Ou bien ce n'est pas du tout la même technologie ?
julbla [2k\]: don't say it's sure that haylee will lose ^^', will be an interessing game
maciek [2d\]: haha she will rwad our chat :)
Manslay [4k?\]: because it's human\\s REVENGE!
Schachus12 [3k\]: haylle wants to have a peek at the chat
maciek [2d\]: Greetings Haylee <3 <3 <3
maciek [2d\]: go go Haylee!!!
]
;B[pl]C[LinuxGooo [3k\]: streaming always has 3-4 seconds delay, flauschy, very normal
]
;W[mp]C[kooff1: 中国人都说汉语吧
flauschy [4k\]: she is checking for the estimate robot :D
]
;B[oo]C[maciek [2d\]: :D\\
jesyspa [3k\]: It's much more than 3-4 seconds, though, more like 30s
maxp73 [2d\]: how fait it is if cs has 20 s and b no time t all to think
]
;W[on]
;B[no]
;W[pp]
;B[nq]C[IA [7d\]: o_O
Ahamay [7d?\]: I wonder, if CS plays on faster hardware for a given level - will it be stronger or just play faster?
]
;W[qq]
;B[oq]C[dohduhdah [1k\]: this is the ladder joseki that darkgo used to mess up all the time
]
;W[ol]C[okiol [1k\]: well CS isn't talking at the same time either
maciek [2d\]: black wont be think much maxp73 dont worry, the time settings is only to let Haylee commenting more
]
;B[ok]C[gastoni: p8 wow
maciek [2d\]: i ve never seen Haylee losing by time
]
;W[nl]C[dohduhdah [1k\]: she did once
]
;B[ql]C[maciek [2d\]: yeah for sure, but she has no problem to play 20 s per move ;)
RoadHobo [6k\]: computers don't think, they calculate
maciek [2d\]: r8 so smart!!
]
;W[qn]C[kooff1: cs will lose, there is no doubt
]
;B[qr]C[maciek [2d\]: ofc
okiol [1k\]: how to define thinking?
maciek [2d\]: by thinking :v
]
;W[qj]C[dohduhdah [1k\]: thinking = information processing
gogonuts [4d\]: especially since b didn't blay "black hole" :-)
]
;B[pj]C[awesome [3k\]: she lost two games that way already :)
maciek [2d\]: hi gogonuts my favourite bot kibitzer
]
;W[pi]C[ibd [7k\]: They seem to be paying pretty fast
ibd [7k\]: Playing*
LinuxGooo [3k\]: u have sound on youtube ?? - picture is very blury... and no sound ???
]
;B[oi]C[ugul: bot is already losing
flauschy [4k\]: i like her way of saying tiger mouth :)
ugul: r6 first mistake, should be q7 
maciek [2d\]: picture is great and sound is ok, 
dohduhdah [1k\]: yes, youtube seems to work fine here
maxp73 [2d\]: youtube works fine
]
;W[oh]C[zwim [5k\]: change to 720p LinuxGooo
aries8497 [8k\]: p12 
aries8497 [8k\]: wow
aries8497 [8k\]: :))
Kamanari [6k\]: who is hajinlee?
aries8497 [8k\]: never seen before
aries8497 [8k\]: pro
Uberdude [3d\]: is that a milenium falcom poster in the background?
Marauder26 [14k\]: korean pro
Kamanari [6k\]: I see a ?
gastoni: p12 is nice
joachim [?\]: yes
ugul: w wants to sacrifice to make moyo
Manslay [4k?\]: she's secretary of KBA
kasperl [2k\]: she is very sweet - and strong
]
;B[ni]C[kasperl [2k\]: should be easy for her
zwim [5k\]: CS is quite agressive till now. It's not a quiet opening.
]
;W[qh]C[maciek [2d\]: yeah, the fact she is strong doesnt matter much because she is so nice and always smiling, great teacher!
Krama [?\]: why is there no time?
bleen [2d\]: because they play so fast
]
;B[rq]C[dohduhdah [1k\]: no time limit
bleen [2d\]: it looks like time is standin still
felipem [8k\]: she is doing comments in youtube
maciek [2d\]: u guys have to like her facebook site! https://www.facebook.com/gohaylee/?ref=ts&fref=ts
]
;W[nn]C[Tsuke [2d\]: its probably quite alot easier to give commentary with no time limits imposed on you
]
;B[mo]C[Tsuke [2d\]: CS still plays according to its own time limits
zwim [5k\]: yes, 20s.
]
;W[qp]C[maciek [2d\]: doesnt matter Haylee is playing faster than the bot :D
Ahamay [7d?\]: so CS plays with fixed time, not fixed playout number? nice :D
okiol [1k\]: she also took care of some other stuff while it was her turn, couldn't have done that if there was a clock ticking
nagata44 [1k\]: b ahead?
]
;B[cc]C[Meiguanxi [7d?\]: 好
maciek [2d\]: b was ahead about 4 stones before the game started :D
]
;W[dc]C[ugul: w no territory and no influence
]
;B[cd]C[Ahamay [7d?\]: because I beat it last week on bad hardware - and I really hoped it can be even stronger :D
]
;W[ce]C[ugul: lol, kyu trick
Poney [2d\]: Oh
kooff1: Meiguanxi,现场解说一下，现在局势如何？
P0tat0 [?\]: lol
Poney [2d\]: well C18
selena [4d\]: not jyoseki
]
;B[cb]C[julbla [2k\]: OO
Poney [2d\]: Now good luck to catch up on that mistake
]
;W[de]
;B[db]C[maciek [2d\]: Hello Master!
julbla [2k\]: this is a 15k overplay........
gastoni: c18 is hamete or ethg
]
;W[di]C[Schachus12 [3k\]: directional coice more important than joseki for w
r0n1n [2d\]: 15k, no, i saw some 2-4k on kgs that didn't know it
Uberdude [3d\]: hayle got tricked
Uberdude [3d\]: c18 is soft
r0n1n [2d\]: but maybe the bot decided it was bette
]
;B[fq]C[ugul: c18 is fine
]
;W[hq]C[Tsuke [2d\]: c18 is the normal refutation, sure you can go agressive too
Schachus12 [3k\]: c18 is normal
gastoni: ops typo c15 
kooff1: how about the situation now?
domie [?\]: is upper left corner a new pattern ?
Tsuke [2d\]: but this is already punishing c15?
infinity10 [6d\]: CS says it's 43% for b to win
infinity10 [6d\]: so CS is leading
Uberdude [3d\]: c18 is better at d18
Uberdude [3d\]: because now c18 should be at e18
Florian [1d\]: no, cs thinks its leading. thats a difference
maciek [2d\]: 265 observers wow
yinhang [9d?\]: 竟然白棋不差。。
vlmmoa [13k\]: and 337 for youtube ( live )
kooff1: yinhang,现场解说一下
]
;B[cn]C[ugul: soon pros will all start playing c15 
TAZZ [5k\]: most excellent
LinuxGooo [3k\]: lee sedol vs. alphago had in the beginning 1.100 :-) 
]
;W[fp]
;B[gp]
;W[gq]C[LinuxGooo [3k\]: during the match it went up >10,000 
]
;B[cp]C[Isla [?\]: 解说到贴吧里去吧...
ugul: i think it reached 100,000
bolero: pros already played c15
]
;W[cq]
;B[ep]C[Uberdude [3d\]: ugui, and then pros will realise c18 is the kyu punishment
tianlong [8k\]: what's the link for the sream pls?
Uberdude [3d\]: and d18 is dan punishment
Manslay [4k?\]: looks like small territories game, better yose will win
]
;W[fo]C[Florian [1d\]: only cho chicun
]
;B[dq]C[Chinon: what is the rank of Hajin Lee ? 
julbla [2k\]: 3p
]
;W[do]C[infinity10 [6d\]: 0.42 righht now
]
;B[eo]C[TAZZ [5k\]: kun
]
;W[en]
;B[eq]C[Chinon: thx
rsun [5d\]: this joseki choice is bad for w
]
;W[dn]C[ugul: w playing for influence again
]
;B[fn]C[maciek [2d\]: yeah very bad
]
;W[go]C[selena [4d\]: idont think so
]
;B[co]C[maciek [2d\]: black gain territory and destroyed white left side
maciek [2d\]: an dthe re is no use of influeneces
ugul: kill o11 
selena [4d\]: b not so good
]
;W[dl]C[skwisgaar [3d\]: haylee win easy
rkdmf [2d?\]: wow, if only the pros knew the _dan punishment_!!!
]
;B[cl]C[jieke [5k\]: B2
]
;W[bq]C[ugul: ofc haylee knows about d18 
maciek [2d\]: w has no territory at all :)
selena [4d\]: hum
Gigot [1k\]: e8
ugul: wow
maciek [2d\]: \\black is already ahead by 20 or so
selena [4d\]: miss?
skwisgaar [3d\]: bot is gg
pookpooi [?\]: can we have cs winrate now?
rsun [5d\]: gg
skwisgaar [3d\]: ez gaem
]
;B[el]C[sunsos [?\]: OVER
ugul: e8 good
gogonuts [4d\]: haylee: umm-ahh :-)
ugul: natural move
YoungPro [-\]: what is crazystone doing
TAZZ [5k\]: kill the bot, yeah, \\*/
YoungPro [-\]: gg
]
;W[eb]C[flauschy [4k\]: haha
ugul: lol
maciek [2d\]: "i wasnt prepare for that^^"
ugul: w going berserk
]
;B[ec]C[maciek [2d\]: i love her "what?!" :DDD
flauschy [4k\]: "what?" :D
martin97 [-\]: thats unfortunate
r0n1n [2d\]: seems we lost crazystone :/
flauschy [4k\]: best! :)
selena [4d\]: ahhh overe crazy
Uberdude [3d\]: if d11 is d10 then b's tesuji doesn't work, maybe bot got confused?
]
;W[gn]C[maciek [2d\]: hard times for a bot
]
;B[fm]C[gogonuts [4d\]: looks like cs death wish
HappyLook [5d\]: this is gonna end pretty soon :( 
ugul: outch
]
;W[fb]
;B[gb]C[gogonuts [4d\]: new balls, please
jieke [5k\]: They could have created a better contraption
maciek [2d\]: Haylee is laughing
eric1010 [?\]: white plays is ridiculous
YoungPro [-\]: why 20 seconds per move..
domie [?\]: isn't it weird a 7d robot made such a mistake as B3 ??
]
;W[nh]C[maciek [2d\]: she thought it will be a hard game
]
;B[mi]C[GoRoGoRo [7k?\]: CS playing as hmmm-ly as Crazy2016 did this morning
ugul: time to kill b's group
go2moon [2k\]: d2
go2moon [2k\]: d2 connect
zillrola [4d?\]: lol "i am afraid it will be a short game"
Noct [-\]: Black is Haylee?
Meiguanxi [7d?\]: yeah
maciek [2d\]: "I am afraid it will be a short game" haha
]
;W[nd]C[liusasori2 [3d\]: oui
]
;B[nc]C[martin97 [-\]: maybe remi fixed a little too much these last days
maciek [2d\]: yeah whe is always sad when she wins quickly oon her you tube games too
ugul: doesn't crazystone have a joseki database?
TAZZ [5k\]: circiut breakers...ovrloading....bzzzz
Noct [-\]: Can someone pm me a link to see the stream? :)
ugul: pretty serious mistake
]
;W[ki]C[maciek [2d\]: it seems she is having more fun when losing
]
;B[mh]C[liusasori2 [3d\]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTYr4EJ5K64
Noct [-\]: thansk
ugul: w going for the kill lol
fyzqxm: 进入垃圾时间了
]
;W[pe]
;B[qe]C[maciek [2d\]: virus!
maciek [2d\]: it was a virus! :)
]
;W[ld]C[TAZZ [5k\]: avian?
go2moon [2k\]: d2
]
;B[pg]C[gogonuts [4d\]: hajin discussing pre lower left now
gogonuts [4d\]: the game is over
domie [?\]: This bot is obviously not 7D !!
]
;W[ph]
;B[kh]C[gogonuts [4d\]: domie, that is very hard to judge
]
;W[jh]
;B[kg]C[r0n1n [2d\]: haylee just said c15 was an interesting choice
rsun [5d\]: I beat it in 2 stone handicap game
r0n1n [2d\]: take that, kibitz
]
;W[mg]
;B[ji]C[rsun [5d\]: it didn't know a group was seki
Fietsbel [3d\]: whit can live in the corner with d2 right?
ugul: so it's 3d?
r0n1n [2d\]: Yeah but you're a famous bot-wrecker
domie [?\]: not really gogonuts, I am around 1d and I wouldn't have played B3
]
;W[kj]
;B[mf]C[gogonuts [4d\]: hajin conscious of using polite words now :-)
rsun [5d\]: no, zen beats me very convincingly in H2
zillrola [4d?\]: a 1d wouldnt know all the possible variations in this joseki
TAZZ [5k\]: nice rsun, my teacher lost by .5 as a 6-dan
]
;W[ng]
;B[lg]C[zillrola [4d?\]: unless you are using dictionary
rsun [5d\]: even game is different
maciek [2d\]: they should arrange the next match Haylee giving for stones handicaps
ugul: r6 and b3 -- why doesn't crazystone use a joseki database?
]
;W[od]C[gogonuts [4d\]: bot don't use direct databases
]
;B[pd]C[Uberdude [3d\]: because bots with joseki databases are weaker
maciek [2d\]: because its stronger by u sing its killing calculating reading than josekis
domie [?\]: zillrola, this is not a matter of variations ... just 10 sec reading
gogonuts [4d\]: the might train on joseki patterns though
rsun [5d\]: gogo have you played more games against the commercial cs? how's the record?
Uberdude [3d\]: you lose the creativity of monte carlo and neural nets
]
;W[ih]C[Namii [-\]: need more hardware to avoid problems like b3?
]
;B[ke]C[gogonuts [4d\]: but in long, complicated josekis they can mess up, unless they have a lot of training on the position
TAZZ [5k\]: b7 endgame move though
jieke [5k\]: Those should play a series of biltz games
]
;W[kd]C[rats [2d?\]: b3 was a mistake of epic proportions
Ahamay [7d?\]: would be interesting to know what hardware is being used today
]
;B[ie]C[YoungPro [-\]: why it plays on 20 seconds per move.. while it plays move after 5-10 seconds..
rsun [5d\]: gogo have you played more games against the commercial cs? how's your record?
YoungPro [-\]: and anyway.. why only 20..
YoungPro [-\]: seems too small.. probably he missread b3 because of that
gogonuts [4d\]: it used to be, that bots used to chose the simplest joseki available for this reason
]
;W[le]C[pookpooi [?\]: remi said so he'll have an excuse when crazystone lost
gogonuts [4d\]: but they're more ambitious now :-)
]
;B[lf]C[maciek [2d\]: it didnt misread because of time Young
]
;W[nf]C[maciek [2d\]: misreading because of time is humans mistake, no bots
r0n1n [2d\]: black dying here would be a nice turn in the game
]
;B[me]
;W[md]C[TAZZ [5k\]: Crazy is no slouch, aye
dohduhdah [1k\]: seems cs is too weak for an even game against 9d
maciek [2d\]: "no territory... no territory...no territory" haha
jieke [5k\]: B must die in order to make the game till yose I want at least an hour
]
;B[gc]C[maciek [2d\]: if black dies B+10 :D
ugul: can we know bot's estimated winning rate now?
kntt: is there commentary somewhere?
r0n1n [2d\]: are you guys watching the game  ? 
eric1010 [?\]: kill haylee ? good luck
jieke [5k\]: Yes
]
;W[jd]C[selena [4d\]: g17 pro move
Etienne [3d\]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTYr4EJ5K64
jieke [5k\]: On yt
maciek [2d\]: live comentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTYr4EJ5K64
r0n1n [2d\]: it seems to me every move white played was sstrong apart from b3 
kntt: thanks
]
;B[je]C[TAZZ [5k\]: no :(
wretched [8k\]: CrazyHajin
maciek [2d\]: 345 observers!
]
;W[pc]C[ugul: pro move too 
]
;B[pb]
;W[hd]
;B[hh]C[selena [4d\]: !
]
;W[jg]C[jieke [5k\]: Why don't they try deep mind too
ugul: lol
Namii [-\]: uh..
]
;B[ii]C[ugul: hard to imagine human playing such a move
gastoni: ladder?
woebegone [-\]: j11 
maciek [2d\]: great explaing wwhy q17 was so big mistake
selena [4d\]: over
Ahamay [7d?\]: over
eric1010 [?\]: ...
selena [4d\]: nice game 
Cassiopeia [3d\]: when can we see deepmind play again?
rsun [5d\]: b connected home
ugul: w dead in ladder
martin97 [-\]: lol
]
;W[hg]C[maciek [2d\]: haha
ugul: h13 j13 
]
;B[ig]C[ugul: j13 yeah
m1m [1k\]: ladder works for b
Namii [-\]: there is some serious problem in CS for this game
YoungPro [-\]: lol
martin97 [-\]: res
ugul: w overplayed
]
;W[lh]C[flauschy [4k\]: already in kyu mode
]
;B[li]C[ugul: lol
ugul: m12 resign suji
gogonuts [4d\]: lol-phase now
maciek [2d\]: W was on crazy mode form second move, Haylee was gaining every move!
rats [2d?\]: it would be a rather short game if white resigned
]
;W[if]
;B[jf]C[selena [4d\]: cs need handy 2stone 
syt [?\]: we can see how "good" cs has make its improvement
maciek [2d\]: "oh well"
Headshot [3d\]: when CS loses he plays so bad
dohduhdah [1k\]: w resign soon?
maciek [2d\]: :D
]
;W[or]C[ugul: lol
maciek [2d\]: haha
Isla [?\]: ....
]
;B[nr]C[YoungPro [-\]: why crazystone plays like this
YoungPro [-\]: ..
nagata44 [1k\]: ???
Isla [?\]: p2.
r0n1n [2d\]: same for a lot of bots, it seems
rsun [5d\]: need to resign as repect for pro
Manslay [4k?\]: because it's crazy
Gigot [1k\]: Because he is crazy
Uberdude [3d\]: youngrpo, because if black does not answer then white wins
flauschy [4k\]: bots dont do it
gogonuts [4d\]: because all bots go nuts in losing positions
ugul: trying to be entretaining
]
;W[qk]C[rats [2d?\]: i don't think that is programmed yet, rsun
r0n1n [2d\]: youngpro, you should consider watching alphago lee sedol game 4
]
;B[pk]C[martin97 [-\]: human interaction resign pls
Cam [1k\]: this cs doesn't seem as strong as earlier :o
Headshot [3d\]: try all before resign
ugul: entertaining
YoungPro [-\]: even the last verstion was better..
TAZZ [5k\]: yes uncle
CrazyStone [7d\]: GTP Engine for CrazyStone (white): Crazy Stone version http://remi.coulom.free.fr/CrazyStone/ . Crazy Stone will play a game with Hajin Lee on Sunday 22nd, 20:00 KST, 13:00 CEST, with live comments on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTji1kQNoWIH85dB_Vxka9g
jieke [5k\]: Wut?
Cassiopeia [3d\]: any news on alphaGo next match?
ugul: ???
maciek [2d\]: i love the way she reacted by silence on p2
Manslay [4k?\]: soft reset
coconut [3k\]: wow
aries8497 [7k\]: wow
aries8497 [7k\]: too soon
P0tat0 [?\]: lol
coconut [3k\]: B impressive
maciek [2d\]: dont let it resign Haylee!
harbigo [8k?\]: wow
saxo [2d\]: at least it resigns
TAZZ [5k\]: yeah go humans
YoungPro [-\]: its not impressive..
maciek [2d\]: kill all crazy stones!
kooff1: 脆败
selena [4d\]: need handy
YoungPro [-\]: crazystone can play better..
KBAC [2d\]: tnx HajinLee
tianlong [8k\]: thx
globax [3d\]: not cosmic go but comic go...
Headshot [3d\]: CS played so bad this one
Fietsbel [3d\]: Thanks!
woebegone [-\]: gg
felipem [8k\]: it was fast
RemiCoulom [6k?\]: Thanks for the game.
rsun [5d\]: operator resigned on cs's behalf
Manslay [4k?\]: 4 stones handi now
aries8497 [7k\]: but b can't win pro
maciek [2d\]: CS needs four stones
GoFreund [22k\]: thx for the game
flauschy [4k\]: please do it again and let it think more
syt [?\]: Hi 美女職棋
maciek [2d\]: Thanks Haylee!!!!
syt [?\]: >.>
ugul: haylee 8d?
TAZZ [5k\]: thx ^^
holosys [8k\]: well done thanks
Manslay [4k?\]: haylee is 3p
r0n1n [2d\]: i really still think w made 1 big mistake, the rest is a bot thinking he's behind
jesyspa [3k\]: Thanks!
jieke [5k\]: Against some KGS pro it would be satisfying
dohduhdah [1k\]: thanks for the game
dohduhdah [1k\]: hope to see a rematch when cs improves a lot
jieke [5k\]: Thx 
flauschy [4k\]: how to dismantle a bot 
jieke [5k\]: Yes
rsun [5d\]: need to try H2 or H3 next time
felipem [8k\]: did haylee some mistake?
rats [2d?\]: seems like no
syt [?\]: thanks both !
jieke [5k\]: Probably 2 handi cap difference?
maciek [2d\]: Thnaks for playing Haylee! <3
Koons [?\]: well, that was sad
RoadHobo [6k\]: that made my day
aries8497 [7k\]: 121 moves and HayLee win
r16 [6k\]: pretty awesome :)
YoungPro [-\]: actually less than 60 moves
Uberdude [3d\]: well that wasn't as close as i expected...
okiol [1k\]: this game was over long before 121 :)
YoungPro [-\]: crazy stone can play a lot better .. this was confusing..
selena [4d\]: um
jieke [5k\]: Is cs really 7 d
aries8497 [7k\]: AlphaGo will revenge
aries8497 [7k\]: :))
maciek [2d\]: Cs is maybe a 7d against amateurs who makes stupid mistakes
jieke [5k\]: I think there is some serious bugs to exploit
okiol [1k\]: bots play weird and have different strengths than humans, so they seem weaker than they are by our normal heuristics that we judge humans by
maciek [2d\]: but against Haylee is helpless like a child
jieke [5k\]: They should repair it asap we need another game soon;)👦
rs220675 [3d\]: could it be the hardware which cs was running on?
LinuxGooo [3k\]: most impressive to see how relaxed she is... why she play so "tension free" ??? 
Headshot [3d\]: i think remi forget to activate the 7d mode
tornadotry [2d\]: she said she will play it again
holosys [8k\]: if CS is 7d then it's beating 6d players in here
jieke [5k\]: Lol
jieke [5k\]: Cool!!
rs220675 [3d\]: I think marketing-wise this was a disaster for cs
Headshot [3d\]: ^^
LinuxGooo [3k\]: Asians always have a smile in their face, even its tricky situations... I like that.
rats [2d?\]: pretty big generalization
Uberdude [3d\]: e8 is the kind of move neural nets can miss as training data of expert play doesn;t include sharp punishments, but monte carlo should be able to read it.
LinuxGooo [3k\]: maybe I only watch those Asians who have a smile in their face *laugh*
Uberdude [3d\]: i guess this CS turned the bias to neural nets up too much
aries8497 [7k\]: i hope someday i can play with CS like her
jieke [5k\]: That's not true
jieke [5k\]: I am Asia
jieke [5k\]: Asian
jieke [5k\]: I don't have smile
jieke [5k\]: All the time
Manslay [4k?\]: you're the wrong asian
rs220675 [3d\]: but most asian do, jieke
LinuxGooo [3k\]: then you are not asian *laugh*... your parents lied to you... 
jieke [5k\]: So they are probably girls
rats [2d?\]: i heard alphago is crazystones bigger brother, and he is going to be getting revenge for this
Koons [?\]: can we cease the silly racial generalizations
Uberdude [3d\]: bit rich coming from your username :p
rs220675 [3d\]: I think here Haylee smiled out of shame for CS's poor performance
LinuxGooo [3k\]: I met high dan pros during Western tournaments... over last 3 years... they are always relaxed... male players more seriously... but the female pros are very charming :-) 
LinuxGooo [3k\]: Koons, that is not racial... at least it would be racial against non ASians *laugh*
jieke [5k\]: So I said;)
jieke [5k\]: I said only girls*
Manslay [4k?\]: wouldn't you be relaxed playing with a child?
LinuxGooo [3k\]: ah... that you meant :-)
rs220675 [3d\]: if sedol could have played AlphaGo without time limit and would have had some probe games he'd have crushed Alpha Go
jieke [5k\]: True
rs220675 [3d\]: it was just a steal of Google
rs220675 [3d\]: and sedol and his pro fellas were too arrogant
jieke [5k\]: LSD was in an impasse game situations
pookpooi [?\]: really? 2 hrs main time is not enough? haylee use just 30 min to crush cs
LinuxGooo [3k\]: did HajinL use the regularly commercial version which can be bought  ? Or is the Crazystone version on KGS different with more cpus ?
jieke [5k\]: Even ke jie could lose against deep mind
rs220675 [3d\]: @pook..usually pro's play 4h in serious games, don't they?
pookpooi [?\]: there's thread on how much pro can gain on the 'very slow' game, 
Uberdude [3d\]: no, 2-3 is normal these days
Manslay [4k?\]: games are getting faster
Florian [1d\]: there are blitz tornaments and 2 daymatches
Uberdude [3d\]: lee sedol vs gu li was 4h, that was longer than normal outside Japan
jieke [5k\]: Ladder game was in biltz 
jieke [5k\]: Do you know that fopks
jieke [5k\]: Folks*
rs220675 [3d\]: @überdude: but sedol should have made sure time won't be a concern, Haylee learned this lesson obviously
Uberdude [3d\]: i think he underestimated alphago when he agreed to 2h
rs220675 [3d\]: sedol was almost always in byo., and one makes mistakes there
Uberdude [3d\]: but broadcastability was also an issue there
rs220675 [3d\]: yeah
kooff1: zen maybe better
Uberdude [3d\]: 4h game not so good for TV, especially to the non go players in the audience
kntt: will she play again today?
Uberdude [3d\]: sedol made plenty of mistakes in main time too though
LinuxGooo [3k\]: does this new CS use Neural net and AI, too ?
rs220675 [3d\]: maybe they could have split up one game into two-days
Uberdude [3d\]: alphago crushed him in fight in opening of game 3
Uberdude [3d\]: that was spectacular power
rs220675 [3d\]: again: my opinion is that if sedol had some probe games before and better time setting and more awareness of AG's strength he should have won like 4-1
LinuxGooo [3k\]: HajinL played very fast... like she does on Tygem... 
Uberdude [3d\]: anyway, bos of mlily visited deepmind, maybe we will se ke jie match sometimes =)
pookpooi [?\]: ke jie is not on his top form now, more like park jungwhan
rs220675 [3d\]: but you could see he underestimated AG and was shocked, he was completely unaware of computer go's development and thought to cash in some easy bucks^^
Uberdude [3d\]: park is not chinese
LinuxGooo [3k\]: I heard, Chinese are working on own AI go bot version... any details public ?
aries8497 [7k\]: LSD is stronger than before he play with AG
Uberdude [3d\]: baidu hired some ex google AI guy
LinuxGooo [3k\]: what or who is baidu ?
Uberdude [3d\]: chinese google
LinuxGooo [3k\]: ah... 
rats [2d?\]: is there lots of money to create the best computer go program? i wouldn't have imagined so
Uberdude [3d\]: no, but it's a good AI test bed and media show
LinuxGooo [3k\]: Japanese are working too on an own version... so we might see more kind of bot vs. bot challenge next 1-2 years, hm ?
Manslay [4k?\]: you can alway convert someting exceptional into real money
Manslay [4k?\]: always*
pookpooi [?\]: the japanese version is the 'deep zen go' project, korean also train dolbaram on neural net now
LinuxGooo [3k\]: buying deepmind at a prize of 400 million is no more low budget, rats :-) 
pookpooi [?\]: 650 million in us dollar ;)
rats [2d?\]: i'm sure that figure is very elastic
LinuxGooo [3k\]: so a 20-30 million Go bot project like alphago is just "daily business" for these guys to implement the results in to the commercial structure of Google
LinuxGooo [3k\]: You noticed, that Google used a new processor for alphago ??? They just published some pictures.... of the terminal they had in the data center... Google for TPU = "Tensor Processing Unit"
pookpooi [?\]: they can pour more if china promise google to do business there if alphago beat ke jie
LinuxGooo [3k\]: the TPU chip is 3 generations ahead = 7 years of current chip performance
LinuxGooo [3k\]: PCWorld published an article about
LinuxGooo [3k\]: and on cloudplatform.googleblog.com you can see the pictures of the AlphaGo server 
LinuxGooo [3k\]: Google already used the TPU chip secretly for one year testing it. 
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