(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]OT[3x60 byo-yomi]
PW[miao]PB[Zen19X]WR[6d]DT[2016-09-04]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Zen19X [-\]: GTP Engine for Zen19X (black): Zen version 12.0
miao [6d\]: gg
]RE[B+4.50]
;B[pd]BL[3570.756]C[GoIngo [?\]: long Zen thoink for the first move
miao [6d\]: today was a bit tough so far but i got a coffee so that is a start :)
]
;W[dp]WL[3582.867]C[GoIngo [?\]: coffee to GO  ;-)
GoldenBear [1d\]: Good evening from the sponsor!
gogonuts [3d\]: tough sunday?
GoIngo [?\]: Hello Golden Bear
miao [6d\]: i am very interested how the bot plays as black
GoIngo [?\]: "a bit tough"
]
;B[pq]BL[3519.738]
;W[dc]WL[3574.822]C[miao [6d\]: chinese opening or kobayashi seem most common lately, besides all kinds of c15s
]
;B[de]BL[3475.835]C[miao [6d\]: *approaches like c15
gosei [2d\]: i can see the alphago peep;)
GoIngo [?\]: for Germans - MV prognosis: Afd 2 % ahead of CDU
]
;W[qo]WL[3552.666]C[gosei [2d\]: thats....
miao [6d\]: i will try to play a dynamic game again
gogonuts [3d\]: you have to pay alphago a 1 point komi patent fee to play it
gosei [2d\]: hmmmm
miao [6d\]: I thought about positions favoring bots and i got to the conclusion that they are stronges when they can assess the position easyly
]
;B[cc]BL[3422.173]C[gogonuts [3d\]: uh-oh, thats only right in that it's good to have a lot of unclear corners
gosei [2d\]: i already like black somhow
gosei [2d\]: but should be even
gogonuts [3d\]: trying to make it complex can backfire, by giving the bot a theme
gosei [2d\]: just make 0.5 pount ko in the end and its gg:)
gogonuts [3d\]: gosei, at this point, seeing a disadvantage is close to paranoia :-)
]
;W[ci]WL[3360.295]C[GoIngo [?\]: or paragoia ;-)
gosei [2d\]: :),i know but its the feeling;)
Hatate [-\]: is c11 good?
gosei [2d\]: i guess i sse the disaadvantage now
]
;B[db]BL[3375.239]C[gosei [2d\]: maybe im just stupid:)
gosei [2d\]: but now i lreally like black
superpal1 [2d\]: c11 looks kind of bad
gosei [2d\]: c11 is against any opening theory
gogonuts [3d\]: it pro games, it's almost always e17 now - i wonder why not the good old c16
gosei [2d\]: it must be a special plan
]
;W[ec]WL[3279.609]C[miao [6d\]: now we enter a local joseki
]
;B[eb]BL[3346.81]C[miao [6d\]: e18 is forced
]
;W[cd]WL[3270.223]C[gosei [2d\]: i wonder if lukas getting paiid for commenting during game:)
gogonuts [3d\]: lol
Hatate [-\]: lol, he comments own game
]
;B[bc]BL[3306.687]C[GoIngo [?\]: he did it already in round 1
GoIngo [?\]: very interesting
GoIngo [?\]: someone said that for him it is like taking notes
gogonuts [3d\]: now if w f17, b plays c5 instead of d16
]
;W[qf]WL[3215.554]C[GoIngo [?\]: ha, tenuki
gogonuts [3d\]: so to me, its better to start at c16 before e17 to provoke b to cut
miao [6d\]: it is debatable whom these exchanges favor
miao [6d\]: black can choose to tenuki here
]
;B[nc]BL[3254.241]C[Mneme [2k\]: super interesting until this point
Guest2d [1d\]: only w is in tenuki mode
Mneme [2k\]: how would you play ?
gogonuts [3d\]: defending the upper left looks unattractive, expecting q10
gosei [2d\]: o4 now:)
]
;W[op]WL[3099.083]C[gosei [2d\]: ahh
miao [6d\]: not sure about this move
gosei [2d\]: i dont like it...
]
;B[oq]BL[3239.28]
;W[np]WL[3097.227]C[gogonuts [3d\]: p4 looks unsubtle :-)
]
;B[mq]BL[3224.53]C[miao [6d\]: it really stresses the importance of the left
]
;W[pj]WL[3090.277]C[Mneme [2k\]: miao moves are miles above my level
gosei [2d\]: r3 is very big....
miao [6d\]: now the lower side is not important anymore
]
;B[cn]BL[3191.714]C[gogonuts [3d\]: f3 looks uninviting, so c8?
miao [6d\]: that is why black plays c6 instead of f3
fluislost [?\]: I'd f3 but I'm 3 keys
]
;W[cl]WL[3018.302]C[miao [6d\]: the corner was big
gosei [2d\]: c6 is good fdirection
fluislost [?\]: now C3 or E6?
miao [6d\]: so i am not sure if c8 was still a bit slack
Guest2d [1d\]: f3 is less efficient because lower side is too low for b
miao [6d\]: but at least all my stones have some kind of meaning now
gogonuts [3d\]: b might not take the corner right now
miao [6d\]: just c11 is a bit close
]
;B[cq]BL[3140.857]C[fluislost [?\]: E6 now
]
;W[cp]WL[3016.054]C[fluislost [?\]: oh
gogonuts [3d\]: but did :-)
gogonuts [3d\]: I thought maybe tenuki for f17
]
;B[dq]BL[3110.787]
;W[ep]WL[3014.319]C[Mneme [2k\]: f17 and d16 are miai no ?
gogonuts [3d\]: this lookds decent for w
sampard [2k?\]: zen with 4 corners
gogonuts [3d\]: with b double low on the bottom
]
;B[bp]BL[3089.999]
;W[bo]WL[3011.48]
;B[bq]BL[3075.223]C[miao [6d\]: it is funny how the bot profoundly understands this
]
;W[co]WL[3007.802]C[miao [6d\]: f4 instead was another joseki choice for example
]
;B[fq]BL[3060.35]C[miao [6d\]: but it stresses the side much more than the corner
]
;W[mp]WL[2960.251]
;B[lq]BL[3059.818]C[gogonuts [3d\]: with w so solid on the left, the top has become less important
]
;W[lp]WL[2958.417]C[JIeBuc [7d?\]: b is ok, but he needs way in center
gosei [2d\]: i still prefer black
miao [6d\]: i will try to solidiyfy the left a little now
gogonuts [3d\]: w would love to get to p14 after this
Guest2d [1d\]: yes, b leads
miao [6d\]: r12  is a good point for black to play at this point
gogonuts [3d\]: but bots know when to fight for sente
]
;B[jd]BL[3014.922]
;W[of]WL[2941.369]C[JIeBuc [7d?\]: he more or less ignores influence
miao [6d\]: k16 is a little strange to me
miao [6d\]: to me r12 was much more testing
Titan99 [2k\]: a bit strange to see territorial style zenxD
]
;B[qe]BL[2977.221]C[gogonuts [3d\]: bs sinister plan is to take the upper left without adding a move
]
;W[rf]WL[2937.548]C[miao [6d\]: n14 now?
gogonuts [3d\]: good chance yes
miao [6d\]: anyway i am happy with this local exchanges
miao [6d\]: *these
]
;B[mf]BL[2929.407]C[JIeBuc [7d?\]: attack on up-left coming?
gogonuts [3d\]: hardcore f17?
gosei [2d\]: never:)
JIeBuc [7d?\]: so, w thinks about next direction?
gogonuts [3d\]: w needs to do something about the top
]
;W[mj]WL[2844.059]C[JIeBuc [7d?\]: why?
miao [6d\]: it is my duty to keep on building the center
miao [6d\]: n10 for black is a good spot to play
Kotonoha [2d\]: why not using version12.3?
gogonuts [3d\]: i don't like n10
miao [6d\]: it reduces the moyo and makes moves like r8 seem possible
]
;B[dh]BL[2877.405]C[gogonuts [3d\]: d12 is real trouble now
miao [6d\]: the more u invest the more u need to get though
]
;W[di]WL[2828.714]C[gosei [2d\]: hmmm
klausP [6d?\]: thats great, that Lukas is commenting
gogonuts [3d\]: it's getting hard to solve the top
miao [6d\]: d12 might backfire
miao [6d\]: not convinced
klausP [6d?\]: Go Lukas!
]
;B[eh]BL[2832.668]C[GOuroboros [2d?\]: Lukas cannot see your comments
miao [6d\]: might be incredibly active too though
goliad [4k\]: cut D16 isn't important ? 
GoIngo [?\]: go and fire back!
Kotonoha [2d\]: it is painful to watch miao self talk like rsun during game :-)
klausP [6d?\]: of course he cant
gosei [2d\]: d16 is like dame
Kotonoha [2d\]: and why Zen not using newest version
klausP [6d?\]: but if we chere for him he gets even better
gosei [2d\]: nobody like to play it too soon
GoIngo [?\]: my comm was a joke ;-)
GOuroboros [2d?\]: how can he get better by cheering people?
gogonuts [3d\]: just what I feared - ul is getting taken without another move added
miao [6d\]: i am pondering if to f17 d16 tenuki or h17
klausP [6d?\]: was meinst du Stefan?
JIeBuc [7d?\]: h27 looks better
gogonuts [3d\]: schwarz hat nie f17 gespielt
gogonuts [3d\]: und trotzdem wird das wohl alles schwarz
JIeBuc [7d?\]: heavy shape is dangerous in that spot
]
;W[fc]WL[2661.622]C[Kotonoha [2d\]: what is this event?
miao [6d\]: f17 seems most sensible
miao [6d\]: asking some questions myself
gogonuts [3d\]: very late to ask here
GoIngo [?\]: codecentric challenge
miao [6d\]: c15 is natural
GoIngo [?\]: human vs bot
miao [6d\]: h17 could be a nice intermediate move
GoldenBear [1d\]: @Kotonoha: This is the codecentric go challenge. See go.codecentric.de
GoIngo [?\]: best german vs best "near commercial" bot
miao [6d\]: to take my base
gogonuts [3d\]: I'91% sure b wont c15 now
miao [6d\]: kinda miai though
]
;B[fe]BL[2783.51]C[Kotonoha [2d\]: thx :-) near commercial ? < release soon ? 
gogonuts [3d\]: w timing is poor, imo
gosei [2d\]: hmmmm
GoIngo [?\]: a "similar" version is commercial
klausP [6d?\]: gogo, you got to add the guess for a move too
klausP [6d?\]: :)
gosei [2d\]: cant understand lukas mind
Kotonoha [2d\]: seems negflect Zen 's power :-)
trohde [?\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?ZenGoProgram
klausP [6d?\]: nobody can, thats why he is Lukas
]
;W[hc]WL[2603.356]C[gogonuts [3d\]: no I didn't, because normally you can always get f17 for c15
gosei [2d\]: i see:)
miao [6d\]: asking questions again
gogonuts [3d\]: but w waited too long
miao [6d\]: g16 would be nice to get
awesome [3k\]: what's this nonsense about commercial versions restricted to being weaker?
klausP [6d?\]: g16?
Dao [-\]: I see zen is getting more and more greedy Lel
]
;B[gd]BL[2734.485]C[gogonuts [3d\]: g16 does look like what a bot would play :-)
]
;W[dd]WL[2595.269]C[miao [6d\]: but seems i can d16  and somehow settle
JIeBuc [7d?\]: you expect zen to miss attack?
Guest2d [1d\]: w could hardly live
klausP [6d?\]: however this looks a lot like the positions Pro players never die in
gogonuts [3d\]: lol, klaus
miao [6d\]: so far this has become a hard fight
gogonuts [3d\]: but it doesn't have to die to be bad
miao [6d\]: risk is high for both
]
;B[bf]BL[2681.174]C[miao [6d\]: white of course is in deep trouble if he dies
JIeBuc [7d?\]: but b is risking more
Dao [-\]: my drunken prediction, zen will go after d11 c8  next
JIeBuc [7d?\]: if w lifes then almost no stable points on board
GoIngo [?\]: Dao, how much %?
Dao [-\]: ~70% prob
Dao [-\]: lel
GoIngo [?\]: I mean promille
GoIngo [?\]: your drunkenness
Dao [-\]: very drunk
JIeBuc [7d?\]: he said, 70
Dao [-\]: i go on this account only when i get drunk
dreamz [9d?\]: looks like white won't die
GoIngo [?\]: yes, seems so
gosei [2d\]: look is not enough;)
Haskell [2k\]: How can w live?
LGildas [2d\]: dreamz can explain roughly how ? looks quite hard to live to me
]
;W[gc]WL[2450.728]C[LieKolchin [7k\]: killing black in corner ? :p
miao [6d\]: i don´t think this can die easyly
LGildas [2d\]: like must connect g17 somehow, and then B gets sente to make sure everything stays dead
awesome [3k\]: zen loves this kind of position. Now j14 area will about as big as w p7 area while w struggles to live
miao [6d\]: also black needs to invest something here
LGildas [2d\]: doesn't k17 kill ?
Dao [-\]: white can live with c13  prob
klausP [6d?\]: miao thinking like a pro here
]
;B[id]BL[2630.533]C[Guest2d [1d\]: zen has to let it run
]
;W[jb]WL[2441.122]C[miao [6d\]: but i have been wrong before
]
;B[kb]BL[2605.337]C[gogonuts [3d\]: zen making it hell for w
LGildas [2d\]: looks dead to me
Dao [-\]: zen is greedy, zen is letting white run to get more stones
gogonuts [3d\]: zen loves these positions
gosei [2d\]: both are supposed to be alittle nervous here;)
Dao [-\]: and its too late to use c13 to save white
Dao [-\]: lol
gogonuts [3d\]: i blame n10 - that was high time to handle the top
LGildas [2d\]: only one doesn't have support for nervousness...
klausP [6d?\]: why do you blame w moves?
]
;W[cf]WL[2350.813]C[klausP [6d?\]: we need to blame b moves
miao [6d\]: lets first ask mroe questions
gosei [2d\]: :)
Dao [-\]: ouch
Dao [-\]: wrong by 1
LGildas [2d\]: he blames W moves for W loss once this dies ^^
Guest2d [1d\]: J16 was a good move
GoIngo [?\]: more questions - more tension?
awesome [3k\]: I like the way miao comments
fj [5d?\]: w investing too much here
awesome [3k\]: almost like haylee game
Dao [-\]: c14 wont save it
]
;B[cg]BL[2567.738]C[jhtf: try ko
BongoBob [-\]: How many licks does it take to get to the core of an AI's programming? Let's find out.. one, ta-whoooo, three.
]
;W[be]WL[2343.976]C[gosei [2d\]: asking seems like making black strong in sente...
Dao [-\]: c13 white had a chance to survivd by killing
LilouParis [14k\]: isnt good for black since he gets a "counter moyo"?
BongoBob [-\]: Why does this robot have no ranking?
miao [6d\]: i still think i am fine
]
;B[df]BL[2527.957]C[BongoBob [-\]: is he an ascended dash master like myself?
sumsum [2k?\]: he is ranked 19x
dreamz [9d?\]: g17 became a bad move
Dao [-\]: zen wont fall for this
gogonuts [3d\]: miao has a special definition of "fine" :-)
Tsuke [3d\]: ya, fine as in, I still have alive stones elsewhere on the board
Dao [-\]: can just cut off at b16 
GoIngo [?\]: x = 0.4*d
gosei [2d\]: fine=i didnt resign yet;)
Tsuke [3d\]: or, maybe he excludes topleft from consideration of fine
LGildas [2d\]: dreamz, because if f18 instead, hen W could kill the corner ?
dreamz [9d?\]: if these exchanges happened earlier, white wouldn't need to play g17
dreamz [9d?\]: yes
LGildas [2d\]: thanks
]
;W[ic]WL[2248.83]C[miao [6d\]: sente?
Dao [-\]: g19 ? for lel
awesome [3k\]: you should know miao :)
Guest2d [1d\]: yes, one eye
miao [6d\]: i should maybe have played f18 first
gosei [2d\]: this looks pretty severe
]
;B[jc]BL[2478.068]C[Dao [-\]: oh zen doesnt want lel
dreamz [9d?\]: w looks very dead
]
;W[fb]WL[2233.798]C[gogonuts [3d\]: f18 is sente, but not life
dreamz [9d?\]: oh maybe not dead
Kotonoha [2d\]: look live to meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
miao [6d\]: at least a ko
]
;B[bb]BL[2450.11]C[Guest2d [1d\]: w h18 is still dead
Tsuke [3d\]: how is this ko?
gosei [2d\]: where is ko?
Kotonoha [2d\]: at least a ko 
gogonuts [3d\]: ah wait
gogonuts [3d\]: f19 sente?
dreamz [9d?\]: c19
FoxMulder [3d\]: wait!
]
;W[ca]WL[2212.057]C[gosei [2d\]: ahh
LieKolchin [7k\]: what would have white played if black ignored F18 ?
Dao [-\]: zen shouldve just g19 instead of k17 
gosei [2d\]: stupid me
awesome [3k\]: no!
gogonuts [3d\]: will live
gogonuts [3d\]: but still not good
elianovici [5d\]: lukas is so strong
BongoBob [-\]: doesn't zen have issues with l/d though?
Kotonoha [2d\]: why
]
;B[cb]BL[2413.501]C[Guest2d [1d\]: ??
Tsuke [3d\]: bongobob, certain shapes cause it problems, not this one tho
JIeBuc [7d?\]: whats going on
JIeBuc [7d?\]: that shape
awesome [3k\]: issues...
Titan99 [2k\]: lol
Kotonoha [2d\]: cool shape
Tsuke [3d\]: get style points for c18 instead of b19?
gogonuts [3d\]: c15 now?
fluislost [?\]: e6
Titan99 [2k\]: even I know b19 
Titan99 [2k\]: haha
Dao [-\]: g19 was a 100%, painful kill, idk why zen gave white a chance there
Fujiwaka [3d\]: C'était b19 
FoxMulder [3d\]: C18 so F19 not sente?
LGildas [2d\]: FoxMulder +1
Kotonoha [2d\]: this is Sparta !!!
Tsuke [3d\]: b leading even if w lives tho?
Guest2d [1d\]: b b16 sente
Kotonoha [2d\]: no
Kotonoha [2d\]: B Will Die !
superpal1 [2d\]: no
Kotonoha [2d\]: yes
dreamz [9d?\]: maybe white is dead
gogonuts [3d\]: that's why maybe ask at c15 now
fluislost [?\]: can someone give us zen win % please
Dao [-\]: zen will soon go for d11 c8  prob, brb
miao [6d\]: this looks koish
gosei [2d\]: ;)
fluislost [?\]: zen winrate, anyone?
Kotonoha [2d\]: rsbot ! 
JIeBuc [7d?\]: i dont think about this one
FoxMulder [3d\]: 75 %
Kotonoha [2d\]: where are you rsbot ! ! ! 
JIeBuc [7d?\]: last version has 75%+ with 8d rank
awesome [3k\]: do you want me to just estimate, flu? :)
fluislost [?\]: good enough awesome
fluislost [?\]: when there is nothing to eat, eat a chair is still good enough so yes
awesome [3k\]: I'd say 70% for w 
JIeBuc [7d?\]: but it was on completely different server
JIeBuc [7d?\]: with gpu and so on
fluislost [?\]: thanks aawesome
awesome [3k\]: yw!
Kotonoha [2d\]: have a chickenleg flu 
]
;W[ja]WL[1992.55]C[Kotonoha [2d\]: don't eat chair, that is so lonely 
fluislost [?\]: i prefer wings than legs ^^
]
;B[hb]BL[2398.721]C[Guest2d [1d\]: fast
dreamz [9d?\]: can't find a way for white to live
Tsuke [3d\]: no ko shape this
Tsuke [3d\]: because of the j18 cut
]
;W[ib]WL[1973.806]C[Guest2d [1d\]: so zen knows all the variations
JIeBuc [7d?\]: if dreamz say so then chance indeed around 0%
awesome [3k\]: yep :)
gogonuts [3d\]: but doesnt c15 make miai of living and killing b in the corner?
miao [6d\]: not a cool ko :(
GoIngo [?\]: CrazyStone thinks 60 % for Zen
]
;B[ha]BL[2364.594]C[miao [6d\]: an b outside is good
Kotonoha [2d\]: who is dreamz?
]
;W[bg]WL[1962.177]C[ibd [5k\]: how's the game so far? what's the status of UL?
sumsum [2k?\]: pending
Schachus12 [3k\]: we dont know..
awesome [3k\]: now b16 will be sente for w too?
Tsuke [3d\]: ibd, its being negotiated
]
;B[ce]BL[2337.726]
;W[bd]WL[1958.807]C[dreamz [9d?\]: b13 is clever 
Schachus12 [3k\]: but w appaerently thinks he got "not a cool ko"
fluislost [?\]: thx goingo
]
;B[ba]BL[2311.56]
;W[af]WL[1956.649]C[Tsuke [3d\]: ya, annoying to create this ko, because b gains yose from it
gosei [2d\]: this is demise
Guest2d [1d\]: ah, complex capture race, zen's weak point
Schachus12 [3k\]: there it is
]
;B[bh]BL[2295.504]
;W[cf]WL[1954.888]C[Tsuke [3d\]: b12 c14 c12 a16 b14 
gosei [2d\]: but wait its ko
Dao [-\]: zen actually fell for it wow..
gosei [2d\]: can zen handle?;)
]
;B[ch]BL[2280.594]
;W[ad]WL[1951.996]
;B[bf]BL[2265.907]C[Schachus12 [3k\]: "fell for it" is good, could he have avoided it?
]
;W[ac]WL[1946.969]C[GoIngo [?\]: now crazystone gives black 70+ %
awesome [3k\]: haha
Dao [-\]: Im disappointed in zen
Kotonoha [2d\]: who is crazystone?
klausP [6d?\]: this is a nice result for b
K5 [5k?\]: Can w win this ko?
awesome [3k\]: cs caught up with me!
Kotonoha [2d\]: Dao this is old version
]
;B[ab]BL[2230.842]
;W[cf]WL[1945.072]C[Dao [-\]: oh
Tsuke [3d\]: k5, w will win this ko, just question how much he pays for it
dreamz [9d?\]: b also has local threat
JIeBuc [7d?\]: he got wall, opened b11 
Kotonoha [2d\]: author wanna give miao an easy task
JIeBuc [7d?\]: ko
Guest2d [1d\]: e19
JIeBuc [7d?\]: for quite low price
dreamz [9d?\]: f19 
saxo [2d\]: f19
gogonuts [3d\]: c18 was really powerful
K5 [5k?\]: F19
miao [6d\]: i would like to see a move like a6
miao [6d\]: that is fightable
]
;B[fa]BL[2207.718]
;W[ga]WL[1942.505]C[dreamz [9d?\]: and e19
Tsuke [3d\]: b should e19
Tsuke [3d\]: before taking ko
gosei [2d\]: just take ko....
klausP [6d?\]: why?
saxo [2d\]: no
dreamz [9d?\]: oh
dreamz [9d?\]: don't play e19
Kotonoha [2d\]: f19 lol
klausP [6d?\]: e19 wasts a threat
Tsuke [3d\]: ah, right
Tsuke [3d\]: duh
]
;B[bf]BL[2167.715]C[gosei [2d\]: yes;)
]
;W[lb]WL[1939.372]C[K5 [5k?\]: e19 can use later
miao [6d\]: miao i not the happiest of campers
gogonuts [3d\]: lol, miao
miao [6d\]: this is my best shot for like
Kotonoha [2d\]: take first think later
miao [6d\]: *life
]
;B[lc]BL[2123.617]
;W[cf]WL[1936.629]C[dreamz [9d?\]: g18
dreamz [9d?\]: ah no
miao [6d\]: m17 is very solid and fives me at least one more threat
]
;B[ea]BL[2098.651]C[Schachus12 [3k\]: g18 e19
]
;W[gb]WL[1931.106]
;B[bf]BL[2098.171]
;W[ka]WL[1927.271]C[Kotonoha [2d\]: why not w e19
Kotonoha [2d\]: oh
dreamz [9d?\]: ignore?
miao [6d\]: i think
FoxMulder [3d\]: dreamz, you should be able to read it :D
Kotonoha [2d\]: ignoreale 
Tsuke [3d\]: wont ignore
gosei [2d\]: foymulder,why?
dreamz [9d?\]: i would feel safe ignoring
]
;B[en]BL[2053.651]C[Kotonoha [2d\]: go
Tsuke [3d\]: niiiice
FoxMulder [3d\]: lol
dreamz [9d?\]: zen also felt safe ignoring
FoxMulder [3d\]: :D
]
;W[kc]WL[1918.991]C[gogonuts [3d\]: damn bot :_)
Dao [-\]: LOL
dreamz [9d?\]: but uh e6 isn't the best
Kotonoha [2d\]: Zen is playing pokemon
miao [6d\]: fine
Tsuke [3d\]: e6 is only good if u get an answer to it
Dao [-\]: going for both c4 and c8 d11 damn... this greed LOL
miao [6d\]: somethine like this is easyly fightable
]
;B[ld]BL[2004.158]C[sehaltiel [10k?\]: O18?? 
]
;W[fp]WL[1894.142]C[Tsuke [3d\]: er wut..
Tsuke [3d\]: back to ko
LGildas [2d\]: if the fight goes up to n7 area, W will end up with quite few points
miao [6d\]: maybe n18 was better
Tsuke [3d\]: killing bottom left is..
Schachus12 [3k\]: still ko?
Tsuke [3d\]: not enough
Tsuke [3d\]: just play n18
LGildas [2d\]: n18 and still ko..
]
;B[gq]BL[1962.817]C[dreamz [9d?\]: f4 is very big
Kotonoha [2d\]: pokomon ! 
GoIngo [?\]: hmm, according to crazystone jump from 62 % to 74 % now
gogonuts [3d\]: zen already halfway in friendly mode
Schachus12 [3k\]: cs no idea about ko 
gogonuts [3d\]: position is too good for risk
Schachus12 [3k\]: ask it again after ko is over
GoIngo [?\]: jump after f4
Dao [-\]: zen left friendly mode whewn it went e6 
Kotonoha [2d\]: too good for risk :-)
Kotonoha [2d\]: that means miao 's fuseki is so terrible? 
BongoBob [-\]: b 4 corners, so b must naturally lose the game.
LGildas [2d\]: if W n18, B b6 or else ?
Guest2d [1d\]: bots are cool, not killing for pleasure
awesome [3k\]: w can r3
]
;W[cf]WL[1802.063]C[dreamz [9d?\]: think white will n18'
GoIngo [?\]: cs just also ponders on N18
dreamz [9d?\]: what
Schachus12 [3k\]: this makes no sense to me
dreamz [9d?\]: interesting
LGildas [2d\]: so.. n18 is free B sente ?
superpal1 [2d\]: n18
gosei [2d\]: c14 seems like obvious mistake...?
awesome [3k\]: n18
miao [6d\]: n10 is shining
dreamz [9d?\]: white values b14 more than n18
Dao [-\]: g4 cause mean
]
;B[bn]BL[1915.083]C[Schachus12 [3k\]: isnt n18 much bigger may to live?
]
;W[gp]WL[1799.22]C[Dao [-\]: og
awesome [3k\]: haha b ignores
Dao [-\]: oh
miao [6d\]: g6 is possibly a good move here
klausP [6d?\]: so w alive after all
Tsuke [3d\]: awesome, there was no reason to answer
dreamz [9d?\]: maybe white plays c14 to keep ko alive and confuse zen
LGildas [2d\]: by b14 you mean b11 as a threat ?
gosei [2d\]: that might be smart
Guest2d [1d\]: c14 makes w alive unconditionally
gogonuts [3d\]: w top is now alive
awesome [3k\]: true
]
;B[io]BL[1866.494]C[gogonuts [3d\]: wow
gosei [2d\]: wooooo
Dao [-\]: well GG
Tsuke [3d\]: c14 gives one extra ko threat compared to n18, and loses some yose too I think
gogonuts [3d\]: wow, wow, wow :-)
gosei [2d\]: hooooo
dreamz [9d?\]: yes, but realistically whtie c14 isn't going to be better than n18, since it only gives black the choice
awesome [3k\]: nooo
Tsuke [3d\]: but, it might be a good meta game against the bot, since it will spend time reading the ko, as its open
gosei [2d\]: misclic?;)
gogonuts [3d\]: this move makes my week :-)
dreamz [9d?\]: black can always retake b14 and force white to take n18
Guest2d [1d\]: c14 makes w b11 sente
]
;W[hq]WL[1745.786]C[tbarbarian [?\]: .
Tsuke [3d\]: dreamz, sure, c14 is worse in every way, except the meta game aspect
gogonuts [3d\]: trying to get more famous than alphago?
miao [6d\]: too much for white?
dreamz [9d?\]: so it is only giving black more options, which might confuse black :D
miao [6d\]: now g6 is harsh
miao [6d\]: i should first g6 i belive
Dao [-\]: k3 for more stones
miao [6d\]: i should be still ok though
]
;B[hp]BL[1815.185]C[awesome [3k\]: not for long
]
;W[gn]WL[1740.471]C[miao [6d\]: now i am ok
Tsuke [3d\]: f7?
rs220675 [3d?\]: Leela: 60% for black
miao [6d\]: i would like to have the botish insight on this variation
]
;B[ao]BL[1762.319]C[GoIngo [?\]: cs has 73 %
gosei [2d\]: game still playable for black
gogonuts [3d\]: J5 sure was intimidating, like it's playing adifferent game
GoIngo [?\]: ??
]
;W[in]WL[1692.417]C[befooo55: zen19x is stronger than all zen
ibd [5k\]: nice ko!
befooo55: its impossible for white win....
Dao [-\]: I cant watch this, too painful, I go rest, zen bot is pretty much toying with miao
miao [6d\]: there is some nicve aji around
gogonuts [3d\]: befooo, the human won last week
]
;B[jn]BL[1711.27]
;W[im]WL[1686.649]C[GoldenBear [1d\]: We had it several times now that Lukas played a move and immediately thereafter thought he should have played something else. This reminds me of my playing style. I find this worrying :-)
Dao [-\]: g7 
befooo55: but man
miao [6d\]: so far black mainly played dame
befooo55: this zen is such a professional
gosei [2d\]: why?
miao [6d\]: white too but i needed to clear the ko
]
;B[jp]BL[1660.186]C[gogonuts [3d\]: k4 not entirely dame
Dao [-\]: g7 before too late
sehaltiel [10k?\]: D7.? 
Dao [-\]: zen preparing to g7 T-T
Guest2d [1d\]: H5 then L5
ibd [5k\]: I think d7 exchange would favor black
gogonuts [3d\]: such a fancy result for b, awesome J5
rs220675 [3d?\]: Leela: 41,38% for White
klausP [6d?\]: h3 is interesting way to solve the situation
]
;W[jm]WL[1588.049]C[klausP [6d?\]: w is out in the open, but c11 still weak
Dao [-\]: imma go after the g7 lol
LGildas [2d\]: O7 area taking damage
miao [6d\]: k11 will be a juicy place to play
chance [4d\]: Still aji in L3
rs220675 [3d?\]: I don't know why the bot is seeing White so badly, I think White is right in the game
miao [6d\]: i really wanna neglect
miao [6d\]: c11
miao [6d\]: and use l3 aji
]
;B[ho]BL[1608.08]C[ibd [5k\]: HE KNOWS
chance [4d\]: :D
]
;W[fn]WL[1580.427]C[gogonuts [3d\]: w cant get b11 for free, because b b14 messes with ws life
Dao [-\]: phew g7 didnt happen
Dao [-\]: LOl
miao [6d\]: the bot might just helped me there
Dao [-\]: white has a chance now
]
;B[kn]BL[1563.739]C[gosei [2d\]: social bot,lukas:)
Dao [-\]: unless
LGildas [2d\]: e7 still is painful to c11 and f8 cuts...
BongoBob [-\]: ooh malkovich
gogonuts [3d\]: never trust a bot that gets friendly with you
Dao [-\]: h6  is next prob lel
ibd [5k\]: L6 also quite painful imho
ibd [5k\]: b has lots of pokes at w shapes 
gosei [2d\]: black advantage is clear
gogonuts [3d\]: and pretty nice territory at the bottom
klausP [6d?\]: well the bot got strong but I trust Lukas evaluation here
gogonuts [3d\]: with options left and right#
ibd [5k\]: W will do it like last game and turn it around just before the end ;)
]
;W[em]WL[1484.113]C[miao [6d\]: hm
LGildas [2d\]: n18 looking huge now -_-
Tsuke [3d\]: loooks more difficult to turn around this game
gogonuts [3d\]: lukas has even more turning around to do this time
Dao [-\]: *thumb up* zen plan ruined
miao [6d\]: first honte 
gogonuts [3d\]: lol, lukas
ibd [5k\]: you're right, game is more settled for b here
]
;B[dm]BL[1526.421]
;W[dl]WL[1478.218]C[miao [6d\]: please cut me *-*
gogonuts [3d\]: you can't ruin a bots plan, because it doesn't ahve one :-)
Tsuke [3d\]: h3 useful aji here
]
;B[fj]BL[1496.483]C[Dao [-\]: f8 
Tsuke [3d\]: w b7 is sente
Tsuke [3d\]: because of h3
Dao [-\]: is next
LGildas [2d\]: B wants m12 alright
gosei [2d\]: lacks play seems rather natural here
pokamon [2k\]: w behind?
gosei [2d\]: blacks
klausP [6d?\]: so thats the new honte here?
rs220675 [3d?\]: Leela: 35.83% for White
gogonuts [3d\]: looks like w needs to play another honte :-)
ibd [5k\]: f9?
Dao [-\]: zen f8 then after abit h6 
ibd [5k\]: for w
Tsuke [3d\]: I rly hope w pulls of some serious magic, in order to force b to invade right side
Tsuke [3d\]: want to see how zen invades the right side
]
;W[kq]WL[1386.534]C[miao [6d\]: whatever
gosei [2d\]: hmm
ibd [5k\]: lel
gosei [2d\]: is there sth?
LGildas [2d\]: n7 seems correct invasion of the right side..
gogonuts [3d\]: b will probably escort w into the right side
Tsuke [3d\]: r4?
rs220675 [3d?\]: @tsuke: Maybe it's best for White if Black tries such a stunt...
]
;B[kr]BL[1447.237]C[gogonuts [3d\]: b needs to protect his center stones
LGildas [2d\]: W looking desperate, what's with timing ?
gogonuts [3d\]: can't just make the corner big
kono: what is the diff between Zen19X and K?
Tsuke [3d\]: r4 would also protect against o3
GoRoGoRo [2d?\]: hardware
Tsuke [3d\]: kono, valuenetwork and hardware
Tsuke [3d\]: afaik, zen19x only uses policynetwork
rs220675 [3d?\]: now e8 becomes a problem for white
klausP [6d?\]: only humans can unse the "whatever" plan
gogonuts [3d\]: w hoping to squeeze b
gogonuts [3d\]: w has h2, after all
kono: so 19K is stronger?
ibd [5k\]: yes
gogonuts [3d\]: y
Tsuke [3d\]: kono, by 1.5 stones maybe
kono: thx
ibd [5k\]: 1.5 stones stronger is crazy at this leel
ibd [5k\]: level*
gosei [2d\]: f8 please
Schachus12 [3k\]: I'd say not more then 1 stone
rs220675 [3d?\]: L4...sente and easy
Dao [-\]: zen is careful because the cuts for h5 group
ibd [5k\]: probably, w evaluates l4 as not enough for him
befooo55: man, is zen19x the best bot after alphago????
Dao [-\]: no
befooo55: because it seems impossible to beat this insane bot
Dao [-\]: this bot is stupid actually
gosei [2d\]: alphago is special
rs220675 [3d?\]: @ibd: Yes, I think so.
befooo55: So, do you think alphago is a professional?
gosei [2d\]: he as strong
kono: is alphago special only due to its hardware?
Dao [-\]: 19x too many weaknesses
gosei [2d\]: nut ofcourse he is not a pro
ibd [5k\]: alphago has been awarded honorary 9P, so yes, it is definitely pro :)
rs220675 [3d?\]: L4 is sente, but kind of slow and without raffinesse
]
;W[jq]WL[1064.631]C[miao [6d\]: hard to read
ibd [5k\]: oh
Mneme [2k\]: miao play really well
Dao [-\]: Im coding a bot atm, that will use almost no hardware to play at high rank
awesome [3k\]: maybe...
rs220675 [3d?\]: see...k3 is more ambitious, but also risky
LieKolchin [7k\]: if it works yes
Mneme [2k\]: few amateur can fight against zen
LieKolchin [7k\]: if it doesn't works, no :p
rdjhgo [1k\]: alphago has a pro certificate by korean pro association (9p)
]
;B[iq]BL[1406.139]C[Dao [-\]: (atm as in when not drunk)
WyT [10k\]: Doa coding a bot around 70%
rs220675 [3d?\]: j3 is not good, now k2
befooo55: alphago is better than ke jie
befooo55: T_T
gosei [2d\]: no one knows...
kono: Dao, do you try to implement the go principles and avoid the brute force?
K5 [5k?\]: h2 also thinkable
Mneme [2k\]: probably befooo55
befooo55: Hehehe
gosei [2d\]: but is not the only strong player...
]
;W[nq]WL[1000.659]C[ibd [5k\]: bots like zen do not use brute force! they are highly selective in searching for moves.
gosei [2d\]: ke
Mneme [2k\]: with a high probabliity
K5 [5k?\]: They use force, but not brute
ibd [5k\]: exactly ^^
Guest2d [1d\]: cooking up the aji's
Mneme [2k\]: game is nearly finish ?
]
;B[nr]BL[1371.095]C[kono: the neural net needs a brute force
WyT [10k\]: gentle force
fluislost [?\]: do u mean they use the force like in star wars movies?
Mneme [2k\]: p2 work ?
WyT [10k\]: ^^
Mneme [2k\]: I'm too lazy to read 
gzz [3d\]: h2 j3 k3 maybe enough for black
Dao [-\]: Yes I have a logic command line, bot will actually use logic imitation,.. 19x19 is mathematically solved already,.
]
;W[hr]WL[959.885]C[Mneme [2k\]: that whaou
ibd [5k\]: nice way to use the aji of h3 :D
K5 [5k?\]: 19x19 imo may never be solved in this universe
Mneme [2k\]: miao is really strong
zxcvbnm [2k\]: Not exactly mathematically solved
kono: 19x19 is mathematically solved? what does it mean?
LGildas [2d\]: raising Dao's drunkenness estimation to 80%
]
;B[gr]BL[1322.842]C[zxcvbnm [2k\]: Just solved enough to the point where bots can outdo top pros
Mneme [2k\]: it is already solved to the point bots outdo top pros
ibd [5k\]: I'm in a dilemma. On one hand, I really wanna ignore Dao. OTOH, he's just very entertaining
befooo55: how many % of go players are pros? any database about this?
zxcvbnm [2k\]: That's exactly what I'm saying though?
]
;W[ir]WL[906.751]C[fluislost [?\]: try the schrödinger's censor button ibd
ibd [5k\]: zen will cut now?
LGildas [2d\]: ibd if you ignore him but still read answers to him, it becomes a pain
ibd [5k\]: good idea fluid ;D
awesome [3k\]: miai truly strong
Guest2d [1d\]: L4
elsky [1d\]: j2 mistake?
]
;B[jr]BL[1284.755]C[dreamz [9d?\]: there is weak solve which is guaranteed win, or strong solve, which is perfect play from any position
]
;W[kp]WL[898.015]C[Dao [-\]: My bot wont need to read moves, it will use each of its moves as a foundation for all the later moves, the more moves have passed the less it will read. 2nd move it will read only ~180 posibilities against a basic SE.
ibd [5k\]: may I announce "KO FOR THE GAME"? :)
WyT [10k\]: Zen doesn't like to cut, to scary of blood
]
;B[ip]BL[1265.494]C[K5 [5k?\]: no
zxcvbnm [2k\]: ibd, that privilege lies only with Muttley
ibd [5k\]: no I may not
]
;W[or]WL[889.138]C[ibd [5k\]: haha
miao [6d\]: used off a bit of aji here
Mneme [2k\]: there is 1761 pro in gorating database
juk [3k\]: for R3?
dreamz [9d?\]: r3 or q2
]
;B[mr]BL[1230.356]C[zxcvbnm [2k\]: And there's about 50 million go players I think?
rdjhgo [1k\]: some of those 1761 are amateurs
GoIngo [?\]: cs 8 % for black
dreamz [9d?\]: r3 is better points, but q2 is super fun wall
GoIngo [?\]: 68 %
juk [3k\]: q2 is nice :)
awesome [3k\]: why must all pros be dans?
Mneme [2k\]: 68% for black ? GoINgo ?
rdjhgo [1k\]: pros play at 8dan+ level
GoIngo [?\]: yes
gogonuts [3d\]: you can become the first pro kyu
ibd [5k\]: If you offer go lessons and make a living off it but you're only 1k, you're a professional go player @ 1k
Mneme [2k\]: strange
elsky [1d\]: q2 is tombstone?
rdjhgo [1k\]: if you play kyu u will be beaten 100%
]
;W[qq]WL[823.15]C[awesome [3k\]: but still pro
zxcvbnm [2k\]: Huh
Dao [-\]: Sorry too drunk to expain how the bot will work
zxcvbnm [2k\]: Thought q2 instead of r3
klausP [6d?\]: you wrote a bot that can drink???
bert [?\]: zen is back? for how long?
]
;B[el]BL[1196.698]C[gosei [2d\]: e8 could happen?
juk [3k\]: but, seems r3 sente 
fluislost [?\]: back for a game, out for eternity
ibd [5k\]: bert, just for this exhibition game
gosei [2d\]: and it happens;)
zxcvbnm [2k\]: The bot defies you, juk xD
Mneme [2k\]: that is hard
ibd [5k\]: interesting tenuki by b
juk [3k\]: just a poke :p
]
;W[ek]WL[792.538]C[gosei [2d\]: e9?
FoxMulder [3d\]: game over
scoundrila [4k\]: f8
WyT [10k\]: Zen said enough is enough
GoRoGoRo [2d?\]: eating honte is its favorable joy
]
;B[fm]BL[1158.304]
;W[fk]WL[790.594]C[gosei [2d\]: it seems like gg
GoIngo [?\]: miao has stopped commenting ...
Mneme [2k\]: can black cut ?
klausP [6d?\]: down to 13 min
]
;B[gm]BL[1128.26]
;W[hn]WL[787.994]C[klausP [6d?\]: so he stopped commenting
juk [3k\]: q2 stills sente xD
klausP [6d?\]: annyway,commenting on reading is less fun than commenting on fuseki
LGildas [2d\]: W has 2 weak groups 
]
;B[gk]BL[1105.421]C[GOuroboros [2d?\]: wow
DesMites [3k\]: ko ?
GoRoGoRo [2d?\]: soon ist may be only one :-)
ibd [5k\]: b will seal the center in sente (zen's sente center)
Titan99 [2k\]: black go for kill?
WyT [10k\]: only 2 !
Mneme [2k\]: this looks good for white
gosei [2d\]: ??
rs220675 [3d?\]: still I like W slightly more here
gosei [2d\]: this is desaster for white
klausP [6d?\]: at least the number of fights is increasing
Schachus12 [3k\]: why desaster?
superpal1 [2d\]: miao already stop talking
superpal1 [2d\]: no mood
Mneme [2k\]: g8 ?
rs220675 [3d?\]: g10 and everything is still ok for white
gosei [2d\]: just capturing e7 is profit in sente,and enough
ibd [5k\]: w alive in gote?
abcdef: g8 why?
]
;W[gj]WL[693.074]C[Schachus12 [3k\]: h6 lost a liberty for b makes squeeze of j3 better, no?
gosei [2d\]: and whites griuops are still weak
rs220675 [3d?\]: but black's h5 group can be stopped now better from going into white's moyo
GoIngo [?\]: according to cs g10 costs 5 %
superpal1 [2d\]: f11
Schachus12 [3k\]: so b needs to get something on the left, else it seems like a failure to me
LGildas [2d\]: B has M8 and W still can't defend right side
awesome [3k\]: I agree that h6 lib was important
]
;B[hk]BL[1059.569]C[superpal1 [2d\]: or h10
Dao [-\]: if anyone has a basic SE sourcecode, it will be very helpful to me :o
LGildas [2d\]: losing sente for r3 looks like a mistake, now
]
;W[fi]WL[680.116]C[ibd [5k\]: Dao, check out Michi by petr baudis
Mneme [2k\]: computer probably understand something that I don't
]
;B[hj]BL[1040.871]C[Dao [-\]: I need pure SE though...
zxcvbnm [2k\]: Time to mess with j6?
]
;W[ej]WL[676.251]C[scoundrila [4k\]: CS SE is very good
ibd [5k\]: Dao, either you do it yourself or you convince others that your algorithm works
ibd [5k\]: there's no other way :)
rs220675 [3d?\]: m7 looking to become really huge for white
superpal1 [2d\]: l7
juk [3k\]: b h11
GoIngo [?\]: they sell good SE in Havannah together with rum ;-)
]
;B[bi]BL[998.943]C[miao [6d\]: i hope he will not play l7
awesome [3k\]: can't m7?
Mneme [2k\]: if black kill tha it would be nice
]
;W[hi]WL[666.815]C[WyT [10k\]: b B14 soon
]
;B[ii]BL[984.019]C[rs220675 [3d?\]: for me, white is taking charge and begin to look better
ibd [5k\]: did w percentage estimation rise or drop over the last 10 moves?
ibd [5k\]: rs22, thinking the same
Mneme [2k\]: b14 and n18 miai ?
]
;W[km]WL[634.029]C[GoIngo [?\]: pippen what does Leela think?
awesome [3k\]: hmmm
miao [6d\]: b9 now is more or less life
Mneme [2k\]: teuki ?
miao [6d\]: h12 too
miao [6d\]: but nah
]
;B[ln]BL[948.344]C[Guest2d [1d\]: b in sad shape
rs220675 [3d?\]: Leela think 64% for black now
]
;W[hh]WL[614.629]C[Mneme [2k\]: I would love to know alaphago estimation
dreamz [9d?\]: not sure why white didn't jump at m7
GoIngo [?\]: so more conservative than CS
miao [6d\]: aji in b´s position activates
dreamz [9d?\]: m7 looks a lot better than l7
GoRoGoRo [2d?\]: tha magic turning move number #150 is near
GoIngo [?\]: histograms now getting kinky
Schachus12 [3k\]: m7 not sente
gosei [2d\]: m7 is gote
]
;B[gh]BL[912.204]C[GoIngo [?\]: maybe bot problems ahead
scoundrila [4k\]: M7 is not sente 
rs220675 [3d?\]: now Leela:62.00% for Balck
]
;W[gg]WL[600.449]C[LGildas [2d\]: B can always live with b14
Mneme [2k\]: that looks like a good sign for miao GoINgo
]
;B[fh]BL[895.213]
;W[gi]WL[599.098]C[scoundrila [4k\]: ah yes it is
scoundrila [4k\]: sorry
Haskell [2k\]: k10
miao [6d\]: white is alive
rs220675 [3d?\]: I still think Leela is overestimating Black
GoIngo [?\]: maybe
LGildas [2d\]: dreamw, if W M7, W gets cut and dies ?
]
;B[mm]BL[851.776]C[miao [6d\]: :(
dreamz [9d?\]: you definitely couldn't cut m7
Schachus12 [3k\]: leela mybe didnt get tl w group right?
dreamz [9d?\]: but it was gote
]
;W[jh]WL[570.367]C[gosei [2d\]: yep
dreamz [9d?\]: m7 m6 k5 for example
miao [6d\]: n7 is a key point in the position
ibd [5k\]: how will b attack l7?
]
;B[jj]BL[798.549]C[rs220675 [3d?\]: f8 becomes bigger and bigger
scoundrila [4k\]: before, we had w M7 = K5 next
LGildas [2d\]: dreamz - m7 l7 l8 k8 j8 k9 j9 j10 isn't that cutting ?
dreamz [9d?\]: why play j8
Mneme [2k\]: L9 ?
dreamz [9d?\]: just m6 would capture black
klausP [6d?\]: now we see why n10 was good
]
;W[ml]WL[528.871]C[GoIngo [?\]: gogonuts on this, please
Mneme [2k\]: nice n8
rs220675 [3d?\]: LK might prepare L8 and a monster ko here
LGildas [2d\]: ah right, sorry thanks
rs220675 [3d?\]: f8...
LGildas [2d\]: well m7 did look a lot better then
]
;B[li]BL[749.722]C[miao [6d\]: white playing not sharp anymore
Dao [-\]: argh those SE are not what I need.. I guess ill have to code my own... I prefer more size less hardware to calc
Mneme [2k\]: lol  miao
ibd [5k\]: ^^
]
;W[lm]WL[512.09]C[scoundrila [4k\]:  looks like b thinks w is dead left
ibd [5k\]: m9 for b?
scoundrila [4k\]: M7 is sente
scoundrila [4k\]: b has to answer
ibd [5k\]: hm
]
;B[ih]BL[701.41]C[awesome [3k\]: haha
]
;W[ig]WL[508.835]C[scoundrila [4k\]: ?
rs220675 [3d?\]: first time Leela sees black below 60%
dreamz [9d?\]: m7 doesn't look as good as o7
Schachus12 [3k\]: no stricly sente
dreamz [9d?\]: oh wait it is
Schachus12 [3k\]: just almost
dreamz [9d?\]: or else black m7 a problem
klausP [6d?\]: w can k5
scoundrila [4k\]: K5
WyT [10k\]: leela needs the force to better read
awesome [3k\]: I so want to k5
gogonuts [3d\]: this kind of cat and mouse can be so annoying
]
;B[nn]BL[650.951]C[dreamz [9d?\]: o6 not good
rdjhgo [1k\]: j4  is caught now
dreamz [9d?\]: leaves n6 throw in
Dao [-\]: I just ran some calculation... my bot size will be about 3-5gb LOL
pokamon [2k\]: f8 ko?
WyT [10k\]: you can watch criket gogonuts !
GoIngo [?\]: Cs says: I would not have found O6 ;-)
Mneme [2k\]: what do you want to do with 3-5gb dao ?
awesome [3k\]: does it say zen is noob?
ibd [5k\]: dreamz, why is o6 not good? what would be better?
gogonuts [3d\]: annoying from the players perspective
gogonuts [3d\]: as sadistic kibitz, it's fine
dreamz [9d?\]: compare o6 to n6
GoIngo [?\]: histogram of CS seems to indicate true chances for white
WyT [10k\]: Zen always have a happy face ^^
rs220675 [3d?\]: I like white more actually
dreamz [9d?\]: doesn't seem better but if white can only play o7 then black is ok
]
;W[jf]WL[409.923]C[awesome [3k\]: nice
LGildas [2d\]: W shrinking amount of solid points indicates good chances for B imo...
rs220675 [3d?\]: white has f8 and can do something with black's e12 group
Mneme [2k\]: to me white has just to find a way to live
rs220675 [3d?\]: k14 points at that direction
dreamz [9d?\]: but for example, n6 n5 o7 n6 k5 l5 p6 would be great for white if black follows along
]
;B[kg]BL[601.689]C[Dao [-\]: Mneme 2-3gb size the price for making the bot into shitty pc/cpu/gpu/ram friendly
]
;W[hd]WL[370.241]
;B[he]BL[601.301]
;W[ie]WL[365.36]
;B[je]BL[600.581]C[ibd [5k\]: Dao, check out "memoization"
]
;W[hf]WL[359.409]C[Mneme [2k\]: ko ?
awesome [3k\]: koooo
ibd [5k\]: KO FOR GAME
Dao [-\]: extra 2gb for the special logic command
LieKolchin [7k\]: for game rly ?
ibd [5k\]: ya rly :)
]
;B[if]BL[561.217]C[awesome [3k\]: b ok tho :)
rs220675 [3d?\]: so here we go White's on driver's seat...leela says 50/50 again
abcdef: f1^^6
abcdef: f16
ibd [5k\]: I hate when my keyboard inserts random japanese emoji
GoIngo [?\]: Dao is our man for liquer import/export ;-)
groobiest: kay five?
michi2009 [5d\]: e14
rs220675 [3d?\]: white has more ko threats, doesn't he?
]
;W[eq]WL[253.106]
;B[er]BL[560.781]
;W[ie]WL[250.433]C[abcdef: how much dan is zen19x
abcdef: ?
Guest2d [1d\]: w heavy and need big threats
Andeol [3k\]: About 6d
BongoBob [-\]: he's more of a carl.
]
;B[ge]BL[538.952]C[scoundrila [4k\]: CS DL gives 80% to black
manuel97 [2k\]: x = 0.4 d
]
;W[kf]WL[245.971]C[Schachus12 [3k\]: I dont quite understand
manuel97 [2k\]: Was said before
rs220675 [3d?\]: Leela: Black 50.49%
dreamz [9d?\]: l16
]
;B[le]BL[490.953]C[Schachus12 [3k\]: ah, maybe I do? I thought "why is it ko, cant b just g15 for the moment?" just when he did it...
scoundrila [4k\]: I trust CS
dreamz [9d?\]: what not l16?
]
;W[lg]WL[232.589]C[rs220675 [3d?\]: sounds adaequate
bert [?\]: g8 
]
;B[nl]BL[441.96]C[GoIngo [?\]: my cs giveds 63 % for Black
rs220675 [3d?\]: b10 and makej14 ko the big battle
]
;W[lj]WL[174.339]C[GoIngo [?\]: plus crazy histograms
Schachus12 [3k\]: andb b14?
rs220675 [3d?\]: cs loves bots^^
Mneme [2k\]: m10 is nice
Schachus12 [3k\]: how is b10 going to help
klausP [6d?\]: incredible game by Lukas
awesome [3k\]: bots always support each other in score estimats
GoIngo [?\]: indeed incredible
rs220675 [3d?\]: Leela says 50.39% for Black
Guest2d [1d\]: this will be a LONG game
]
;B[mk]BL[388.235]C[Hellhuman [2d?\]: Thats not too much rs220675
pokamon [2k\]: --with many kos
Mneme [2k\]: Guest  the game is pretty much end no ?
ibd [5k\]: l9
Guest2d [1d\]: nope
Haskell [2k\]: three ko on the board
BongoBob [-\]: w needs some points somewhere
awesome [3k\]: lol
GoIngo [?\]: CS in doubts of this
GoIngo [?\]: (n9)
rs220675 [3d?\]: Well, but White looks better than Black now...White has still the ko at j14
scoundrila [4k\]: one of W's big groups will most probably die, so...
scoundrila [4k\]: I think its ober
NiceGoAuth [-\]: doesmcsmreadmtop white alive?
Schachus12 [3k\]: that would surprise me a lop, scoundrilla
rs220675 [3d?\]: and white has still f8
Schachus12 [3k\]: *lot
]
;W[ll]WL[31.957]C[NiceGoAuth [-\]: sorry, I always get m instead of space :(
GoIngo [?\]: hmm zen in slow mode ?
GoIngo [?\]: or in panic mode?
rs220675 [3d?\]: Leela: 50.06 for Black
miao [6d\]: g8 was considerable
]
;B[kj]BL[344.837]C[NiceGoAuth [-\]: leela: top white alive?
Andeol [3k\]: Yes
rs220675 [3d?\]: yes
fluislost [?\]: my guess is that rs is making a joke
Andeol [3k\]: Miai eye at A15 and M19
]
;W[nk]WL[2.046]C[NiceGoAuth [-\]: impressive....
fluislost [?\]: nicegoauth u got trolled
fluislost [?\]: leela does not tell you what lives or not
fluislost [?\]: so rs couldn't give the info
scoundrila [4k\]: L12 
Guest2d [1d\]: zen has to invade right side, save P3 and make left side safe.... too mach work to do
fluislost [?\]: he's just throwing random numbers
]
;B[kh]BL[305.326]C[GoIngo [?\]: position not easy for bots
fluislost [?\]: and u fell for it
NiceGoAuth [-\]: ok, not territory view...
Guest2d [1d\]: much
scoundrila [4k\]: yes !
]
;W[lf]WL[60]OW[3]C[fluislost [?\]: goingo on the other hand, uses crazystone for real
NiceGoAuth [-\]: nicego does not know top white :(
fluislost [?\]: so trust him
rs220675 [3d?\]: trust me, leela thinks the upper white group alive or it wouldn't see it a 50/50 game
IonutC [5k?\]: Rip
]
;B[mg]BL[255.902]
;W[lh]WL[60]OW[3]C[Schachus12 [3k\]: he uses CS, but CS may be wrong
NiceGoAuth [-\]: I have the same % as cs and do not know top white:) So I domnt thrust cs here...
GoIngo [?\]: Lukas in byoyomi now
]
;B[mi]BL[219.53]
;W[mh]WL[60]OW[3]C[awesome [3k\]: now w might get some points on the right
scoundrila [4k\]: over for w
groobiest: uh oh
Mneme [2k\]: 1 minute byoyomi should be comfartable enough
rs220675 [3d?\]: white has two game deciding ko's in backhand
gogonuts [3d\]: o10, ouch
awesome [3k\]: I thought w would m11
]
;B[nj]BL[178.273]C[rs220675 [3d?\]: black is more over than white at this point
]
;W[lk]WL[60]OW[3]C[groobiest: danger!
]
;B[nh]BL[161.178]
;W[oj]WL[60]OW[3]C[tinca [-\]: g8 is the danger for B and a rescue for w
]
;B[ni]BL[125.896]
;W[ng]WL[60]OW[3]C[GoIngo [?\]: Lukas in byo now
GoIngo [?\]: m12 maybe not good
Schachus12 [3k\]: seems fine
michi2009 [5d\]: w doing well
Schachus12 [3k\]: e7 ko could be a real danger soon
]
;B[nf]BL[85.982]C[rs220675 [3d?\]: white is winning
]
;W[og]WL[60]OW[3]C[tinca [-\]: sharp by w
Tsuke [3d\]: whatn happens from b p9?
bert [?\]: this doesnt help b
Guest2d [1d\]: h7
rs220675 [3d?\]: it's not a done deal yet, but white looks slightly better
rs220675 [3d?\]: white has two big ko's and more ko threats
scoundrila [4k\]: w has very little chances of surviving
bert [?\]: h7 o15 
]
;B[ne]BL[32.697]
;W[gl]WL[60]OW[3]C[awesome [3k\]: w has?
groobiest: here we go
rs220675 [3d?\]: here we go
groobiest: schnap
BongoBob [-\]: nomnomnom
bert [?\]: there we are
awesome [3k\]: there they are
]
;B[hl]BL[60]OB[3]C[scoundrila [4k\]: this is no pb for b
scoundrila [4k\]: dont worry
]
;W[fl]WL[60]OW[3]C[bert [?\]: ok
awesome [3k\]: little ko... no problem
Schachus12 [3k\]: scoundrila good troll...
rs220675 [3d?\]: leela: 47% for black
]
;B[hm]BL[60]OB[3]C[Guest2d [1d\]: this is the problem of greed. You have to sucrifice something to gain something
Dao [-\]: gg w
]
;W[bj]WL[60]OW[3]C[rs220675 [3d?\]: Leela: White 53.29%
moo: o.o
GoIngo [?\]: cs 67 % for black
LGildas [2d\]: can't B get seki or double ko with P9 ?
rs220675 [3d?\]: Now I'd bet 900 on White out of 1000 bucks
awesome [3k\]: can I have the remaining $100
WyT [10k\]: next ko please
]
;B[bk]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[cj]WL[60]OW[3]C[NiceGoAuth [-\]: if leela is droping now it had amracembetween black and whhite, and not a full white alive
rs220675 [3d?\]: :)
LGildas [2d\]: rs I'd take that bet
]
;B[ei]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[bl]WL[60]OW[3]C[Schachus12 [3k\]:  b still trying to kill w?
awesome [3k\]: e11 seems almost arrogant
rs220675 [3d?\]: no wy Black can do two of those ko's
scoundrila [4k\]: A10
Dao [-\]: is very painful for white ar this pointif white knows what b wants
]
;B[aj]BL[60]OB[3]C[scoundrila [4k\]: w is dead
bert [?\]: c9 a9 e7 
awesome [3k\]: a7 :)
tinca [-\]: so is b
]
;W[ck]WL[60]OW[3]C[groobiest: welp, tis a doozie
scoundrila [4k\]: they cant be both dead :)
dangerbird [1d\]: bu who is deadest
tinca [-\]: then B is
]
;B[ak]BL[60]OB[3]C[BongoBob [-\]: a deathrace!
Titan99 [2k\]: like a schroedinger cats xD
Lancing [-\]: white has double ko to cut and kill black
juk [3k\]: j14?
]
;W[al]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[ai]BL[60]OB[3]C[Lancing [-\]: i think one of these two black group will die
Titan99 [2k\]: we dunno who is dead until the game ends xD
scoundrila [4k\]: we can have an idead
scoundrila [4k\]: its a question of libs
moo: I hope zen has counted this out xD
GoIngo [?\]: cs dropped to 61 %
FoxMulder [3d\]: maybe both alive
michi2009 [5d\]: b14
NiceGoAuth [-\]: isnt white unconditional alive? I thought so
]
;W[fg]WL[60]OW[3]C[rs220675 [3d?\]: incredible...cs still tzhinks black is ahead?
tinca [-\]: there is no end until the fat group is singing
GoIngo [?\]: 58 % for Black now
rs220675 [3d?\]: I'm so proud I didn't touch this program^^
]
;B[if]BL[60]OB[3]C[ibd [5k\]: exciting game
]
;W[ap]WL[60]OW[3]C[scoundrila [4k\]: w enters bio yomi
Schachus12 [3k\]: why not just take the other ko?
BongoBob [-\]: w been in bio yomi
Titan99 [2k\]: 3 ko on the board xD
pokamon [2k\]: b can´t have both ko´s
scoundrila [4k\]: and will start making more mistakes than b
Schachus12 [3k\]: not enough libs for that one?
GoIngo [?\]: 55 % for Black now, says cs
awesome [3k\]: pro threat
]
;B[an]BL[60]OB[3]C[bert [?\]: bots are stupid
GoIngo [?\]: oh  time bug in Zen ???
Lancing [-\]: white just b14 and it's finsh
GoIngo [?\]: sorry, my lag
]
;W[ie]WL[60]OW[3]C[Lancing [-\]: one black group will die
]
;B[bf]BL[60]OB[3]C[superpal1 [2d\]: lol
awesome [3k\]: w will never spend a byo period?
awesome [3k\]: b*
bert [?\]: heh heh
]
;W[em]WL[60]OW[3]C[Schachus12 [3k\]: now you need to get your count right
NiceGoAuth [-\]: n18 blackmresignes :)
michi2009 [5d\]: now j15 wasted
MooDoGo [2k\]: 3kojigo
]
;B[ag]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[mb]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[el]BL[60]OB[3]C[awesome [3k\]: I don' t understand e7
groobiest: uh oh
michi2009 [5d\]: f13 losing move
LGildas [2d\]: e7 to kill k10
Schachus12 [3k\]: j15 was kinda useless
WyT [10k\]: end of story
Lancing [-\]: white should have play b14 instead f13...
awesome [3k\]: ah..  :)
ibd [5k\]: k13?
awesome [3k\]: didn't see the connection
michi2009 [5d\]: f13 had to be b14
]
;W[jg]WL[60]OW[3]C[ibd [5k\]: YEAH
superpal1 [2d\]: b will ignore since he have p9
Schachus12 [3k\]: still ko
bert [?\]: i thought a4 was odd
]
;B[ki]BL[60]OB[3]C[dreamz [9d?\]: black has o18 and l16
miao [6d\]: horrible play by miao
]
;W[em]WL[60]OW[3]C[MrDoctor [3k\]: N18 seemed bad
ibd [5k\]: n18 bad? it's needed
gosei [2d\]: seems unwinniable for w
MrDoctor [3k\]: oh right
michi2009 [5d\]: p9
MrDoctor [3k\]: oops
ibd [5k\]: :D
IonutC [5k?\]: G13 next for w
MrDoctor [3k\]: sorry, just dropped in lol
Dao [-\]: zen is confused already
saxo [2d\]: o18
]
;B[nb]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[ma]WL[60]OW[3]C[Tsuke [3d\]: e8
Tsuke [3d\]: and the ko is truly scary for w
]
;B[el]BL[60]OB[3]C[Tsuke [3d\]: for b too obv but..
Schachus12 [3k\]: j10?
awesome [3k\]: this was going so well...
rs220675 [3d?\]: i think i win my bet :)
]
;W[ij]WL[60]OW[3]C[GoIngo [?\]: brother cs also confused
gosei [2d\]: optimistic:)
]
;B[ik]BL[60]OB[3]C[NiceGoAuth [-\]: ok now it knows to white but not middle, still 60% for b
]
;W[em]WL[60]OW[3]C[dreamz [9d?\]: lif l16 i think white can ignore it
Tsuke [3d\]: p9
groobiest: L16?
rs220675 [3d?\]: Leela confused too now
]
;B[pi]BL[60]OB[3]C[Dao [-\]: zen... really....?
jv [2d\]: looks hopeless
Lancing [-\]: why leela ?
]
;W[qi]WL[60]OW[3]C[Schachus12 [3k\]: hopeless for whom?
GoIngo [?\]: leela is the last hope
jv [2d\]: there are more threats around q12
]
;B[el]BL[60]OB[3]C[Neuneck [?\]: what was the threat here?
Tsuke [3d\]: schauchus12, both
Dao [-\]: I feel sorry for this zen now :/
]
;W[ee]WL[60]OW[3]C[jv [2d\]: threat was to cut and kill p13
saxo [2d\]: after e7 p9 is huge
Tsuke [3d\]: jv, it might just get enough libs too
]
;B[ef]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[em]WL[60]OW[3]C[scoundrila [4k\]: hopeless for w
]
;B[ph]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[qh]WL[60]OW[3]C[rs220675 [3d?\]: Leela gives black 62% again, but black looks lost
]
;B[el]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[mc]WL[60]OW[3]C[Tsuke [3d\]: black looks fine, there is a second ko looming at p9
scoundrila [4k\]: i think b does well
jv [2d\]: lost? theres like 5 threats for B
scoundrila [4k\]: yes p9
Tsuke [3d\]: might ignore this
Schachus12 [3k\]: what is this threatening?
michi2009 [5d\]: no
jv [2d\]: all w threats are halfass
bert [?\]: l16 
michi2009 [5d\]: can't ignore this
Tsuke [3d\]: b should play j15 ko
Tsuke [3d\]: j15 ko smaller than e8 ko
dreamz [9d?\]: l16 possible 
michi2009 [5d\]: o16
Dao [-\]: if bots could feel emotions.. zens' wouldve been confused frustration atm
]
;B[em]BL[60]OB[3]C[groobiest: ooooooooooooooooooooooh
Titan99 [2k\]: wow
michi2009 [5d\]: wow
rs220675 [3d?\]: HAHAHA
bert [?\]: lol
ibd [5k\]: oh snap
]
;W[nd]WL[60]OW[3]C[fluislost [?\]: what does cs thinks
Schachus12 [3k\]: zen would be real happy atm if you ask me
BongoBob [-\]: o_O
fluislost [?\]: goIngo plz enlightnen us
Tsuke [3d\]: now b can even trade if neeed be, with p9 ko
awesome [3k\]: just more ko?
Tsuke [3d\]: p9 and j15 ko pretty much miai now
superpal1 [2d\]: j14
scoundrila [4k\]: there is a ko
fluislost [?\]: small ko
GoIngo [?\]: cs - 66 for black, but confused
michi2009 [5d\]: this is good for w
Schachus12 [3k\]: more ko but only for w life now
moo: oh my go-
]
;B[md]BL[60]OB[3]C[groobiest: L16
pokamon [2k\]: kyus says w ahead and dans says b
ibd [5k\]: GoIngo, how many peaks in the histogram?
]
;W[ke]WL[60]OW[3]C[Tsuke [3d\]: lol wut
ibd [5k\]: 3?
ibd [5k\]: 5?
dreamz [9d?\]: black has p9 make another ko
awesome [3k\]: zen is weird
Haskell [2k\]: lol
Schachus12 [3k\]: n16 strange
Tsuke [3d\]: n16 so ridiculous
Schachus12 [3k\]: so no ko
Dao [-\]: happy huh?
superpal1 [2d\]: p9
ibd [5k\]: n16 makes  sense, b going for the safer path
saxo [2d\]: p9 hugggge
Titan99 [2k\]: lol double atari
GoIngo [?\]: 57 % and lotus shape ;-)
pokamon [2k\]: endgame begins
]
;B[od]BL[60]OB[3]C[gosei [2d\]: black is still very good
]
;W[kd]WL[60]OW[3]C[jv [2d\]: i think b just wants to be thick for the ko
ibd [5k\]: lotus shape, lovely :)
fluislost [?\]: 59% ?
jv [2d\]: but w gets good local threats around k5
awesome [3k\]: p9
goliad [4k\]: bravo..
jv [2d\]: odd choice
FoxMulder [3d\]: p9 risky for black to because O7 capture is sente
]
;B[ol]BL[60]OB[3]C[michi2009 [5d\]: now b can't play p9
GoIngo [?\]: you should see it ...
]
;W[ok]WL[60]OW[3]C[Tsuke [3d\]: b super confident apparently
moo: whaaa o.O
Tsuke [3d\]: giving up the ko
jv [2d\]: oh wow
ibd [5k\]: GoIngo, what about imgur.com? just upload it?
Tsuke [3d\]: giving up both kos, b says he has enough points
saxo [2d\]: b sayx he's won
]
;B[pr]BL[60]OB[3]C[groobiest: nice timing for q2
Dao [-\]: poor zenny
gosei [2d\]: black says,gg easy
jv [2d\]: no re
]
;W[on]WL[60]OW[3]C[michi2009 [5d\]: q8
IonutC [5k?\]: G6 big snap back
]
;B[pl]BL[60]OB[3]C[michi2009 [5d\]: p6 weak
]
;W[ql]WL[60]OW[3]C[dreamz [9d?\]: white can still seal
Lancing [-\]: black let white live and ignore ko, black is sure arrogant o_o
pokamon [2k\]: i bet on b
Schachus12 [3k\]: long game
moo: an arrogant computer program o.O
dreamz [9d?\]: o7 
BongoBob [-\]: The arrogant android
Schachus12 [3k\]: entering endgame around move 250 is very late
]
;B[qm]BL[60]OB[3]C[Titan99 [2k\]: white's points all on the right of the board
FoxMulder [3d\]: wow
Dao [-\]: zens' reading hasnt recovered since a while ago.. its still confused
ibd [5k\]: it's a lot of moves because of all the kos
Tsuke [3d\]: schauchus12, and its not endgame yet :P
LGildas [2d\]: can W haz points ?
Tsuke [3d\]: still fighting over w status here
scoundrila [4k\]: M4 can die
Guest2d [1d\]: I told you it's a LONG game
michi2009 [5d\]: s8
fluislost [?\]: game almost over
Schachus12 [3k\]: q2 was endgame move
bert [?\]: entering endgame so late means they are both retarded?
Tsuke [3d\]: schauchus12, no, its attack on the w group
Schachus12 [3k\]: so for me, they entered endgame there
]
;W[rl]WL[60]OW[3]C[jv [2d\]: i think zen may be declaring victory
Lancing [-\]: zen could have won 2min ago but like miao he say he could make the game longer xD
jv [2d\]: when he let w have the ko on top
FoxMulder [3d\]: why not q7?
Tsuke [3d\]: q7 q6 
Titan99 [2k\]: s7 works?
Dao [-\]: the drunken me feels like its been few hours in this game already
]
;B[pp]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[po]WL[60]OW[3]C[Guoyl [2k\]: well almost 2.5h
Neuneck [?\]: can't w q7 lead to a lack of liberties with throw-ins and ataris starting at k5?
LGildas [2d\]: schachus, anytime during endgame, you can go back to midgame by not defending one stable group and being greedy on some other endgame, to revert to a fight for life :)
Tsuke [3d\]: so weird an exchange
GoIngo [?\]: ouch, zen confused still
]
;B[pm]BL[60]OB[3]C[IonutC [5k?\]: B mistake
IonutC [5k?\]: Ajikeshi
]
;W[rm]WL[60]OW[3]C[dreamz [9d?\]: q7 q6 lets black's k4 die
miao [6d\]: :(
Tsuke [3d\]: it truly looks like b doesnt care
jv [2d\]: zen says game is over
Tsuke [3d\]: just confident in its victory
gosei [2d\]: q4 is good
Dao [-\]: told you its confused still T-T
fluislost [?\]: meanwhile uniuni is crushing ginseiigo 6d bot with pure stupid mirror ^^
ibd [5k\]: b WANTS to make ajikeshi, because b wants to make sure of winning now
awesome [3k\]: this is incorrect, a game is neatly divided into 3 phases
Uberdude [3d\]: q4 sets up w shortage of liberties with all the throw ins
GoIngo [?\]: s7 was not bestm perhaps
michi2009 [5d\]: still close?
]
;B[re]BL[60]OB[3]C[dreamz [9d?\]: q4 was nice exchange for black
rs220675 [3d?\]: leela thinks black will lose
dixxa: q7 actually worked
LiEr [4k\]: B+10 methinks
rs220675 [3d?\]: so do I
dreamz [9d?\]: not sure why white didn't cut at q7 though
IonutC [5k?\]: R6
GoIngo [?\]: cs at 50 % now
Tsuke [3d\]: dreamz, win anyways, zen is lazy
scoundrila [4k\]: b has lots of threats to reduce w territorry and win by few points
Dao [-\]: zen about to res if it can
Tsuke [3d\]: all moves that lead to win are equally good for zen, regardless of the margin
MrDoctor [3k\]: B+2.5
]
;W[qr]WL[60]OW[3]C[Tsuke [3d\]: and zen is pretty accurate when it comes to counting
LGildas [2d\]: dreamz, all my explanations include the word "byo-yomi"
Dao [-\]: zen is not lazy, its too confused
jv [2d\]: tsuke, thats an understatement :)
michi2009 [5d\]: why not t15 first
scoundrila [4k\]: R4
]
;B[pg]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[pf]WL[60]OW[3]C[GoIngo [?\]: t 15 was better accord to cs
scoundrila [4k\]: b+4
gosei [2d\]: blacks victory is defined
awesome [3k\]: b + komi
bert [?\]: o19 ?
IonutC [5k?\]:  Now w has no teritory
rs220675 [3d?\]: yeah, don't understand why white didn't play t15
]
;B[qg]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[rg]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[na]BL[60]OB[3]C[LGildas [2d\]: B+<bot's threshold for confidence in victory>
Lancing [-\]: zen wants to won by half a point that's why he's giving white a lot of points
JIeBuc [7d?\]: at the start w had 2 big sides
michi2009 [5d\]: what was r13? lol
]
;W[qp]WL[60]OW[3]C[Tsuke [3d\]: well, w still has 2 points on the left side, so he didnt lose it all
bert [?\]: hmm wasnt r1 better?
scoundrila [4k\]: r13 was to secure an easy oiunt
]
;B[os]BL[60]OB[3]C[scoundrila [4k\]: point
dreamz [9d?\]: r4 means white will play r1 as his gote 
]
;W[se]WL[60]OW[3]C[michi2009 [5d\]: yeah, r1 better
dreamz [9d?\]: or else directly r1 does seem better
rs220675 [3d?\]: Leela gives white 62% winning chance now
dreamz [9d?\]: but white will play r1 as gote anyway
awesome [3k\]: really?
]
;B[sd]BL[60]OB[3]C[gosei [2d\]: 100 %on black here
dreamz [9d?\]: just after t15
dreamz [9d?\]: in that case playing r4 first is fine
ibd [5k\]: weird game,  yose was super short :)
Schachus12 [3k\]: congrats to zen
Schachus12 [3k\]: nice game
jv [2d\]: super short yose is mission accomplished
]
;W[sf]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[rd]BL[60]OB[3]C[klausP [6d?\]: Q9 sente for w
dreamz [9d?\]: white e16 also
jv [2d\]: if you can get yose under 30 moves you should be proud
]
;W[ed]WL[60]OW[3]C[klausP [6d?\]: or r6 sente
Tsuke [3d\]: klausp, did u take into account n4 shortage of libs?
]
;B[ff]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[qs]WL[60]OW[3]C[klausP [6d?\]: of course not
dreamz [9d?\]: and here the r1 gote
GoRoGoRo [2d?\]: hmm, r1 sems to have been nice sente tesuji. threatening p1
Dao [-\]: k9..... 
GoIngo [?\]: CS says gfame over
]
;B[jo]BL[60]OB[3]C[GoIngo [?\]: 81 % for Balck,
Lancing [-\]: what's cs ?
jv [2d\]: b agrees :)
klausP [6d?\]: but goro, here was some cutting aji with s3 / s5
rs220675 [3d?\]: for whom game over?
Andeol [3k\]: cs = crazystone
Tsuke [3d\]: lancing, CrazyStone
dreamz [9d?\]: r1 sente but loses a few points at r4 push
GoRoGoRo [2d?\]: ah
]
;W[pk]WL[60]OW[3]C[GoRoGoRo [2d?\]: tx
ibd [5k\]: k5? is it because of r6?
Lancing [-\]: why black k5 ???
dreamz [9d?\]: normally r1 better move
fj [5d?\]: B won, face it, cs220675
dreamz [9d?\]: but white has no better gote move to play
gosei [2d\]: k5 is more than 3 points
rs220675 [3d?\]: wow, cs and leela dis agree
Tsuke [3d\]: lancing, dont analyze bot yose when its winning
Tsuke [3d\]: it just plays whatever random moevs are enough to win, even if they are far from the most efficient
]
;B[ps]BL[60]OB[3]C[LGildas [2d\]: rs, wanna follow-up on that bet ? ;)
gosei [2d\]: k5 was an unexpected good move
]
;W[gf]WL[60]OW[3]C[dldkfkf: b won 100%
ibd [5k\]: why is k5 good?
dreamz [9d?\]: q1 was bigger than g14 white missed chance to play q1 first
rs220675 [3d?\]: well, white played some dubious moves, I think I don't, lgildas^^
bert [?\]: exciting game, but w failure regretably
gosei [2d\]: n9 anf f5 points are gone
]
;B[go]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[fo]WL[60]OW[3]C[klausP [6d?\]: anny last trick to be tryed?
rs220675 [3d?\]: white was in winning mode, but then lost the plot
gosei [2d\]: plus q9 would be potential sente for black
Schachus12 [3k\]: why g14 and not e13?
rs220675 [3d?\]: just like zen lost it in game one
dldkfkf: b can play on dame and win by 0.5
Tsuke [3d\]: interesting to hear miaos analysis
dldkfkf: theres no chance left
LGildas [2d\]: another point lost at r10 additionaly to g5 and n9, isn't it ?
scoundrila [4k\]: E13
GoIngo [?\]: no more trick potential, says cs
]
;B[qn]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[rn]WL[60]OW[3]C[dreamz [9d?\]: b gave up a lot of points in endgame so white was losing a lot after the kos ended
GoIngo [?\]: right
rs220675 [3d?\]: yeah, game over for White...sad..leela still thinks 54% only for black
ibd [5k\]: amazing game by both
]
;B[hs]BL[60]OB[3]C[LGildas [2d\]: well W WAS supposed to get the P8 area, to be fine, at some point
awesome [3k\]: ?
Lancing [-\]: also zen could have killed white but he lets miao live xD
]
;W[eg]WL[60]OW[3]C[ibd [5k\]: also nice by zen that it could prove itself in longer time setting again
]
;B[dg]BL[60]OB[3]C[gosei [2d\]: black plus at least 7
]
;W[ae]WL[60]OW[3]C[Schachus12 [3k\]: black+4,5
Schachus12 [3k\]: S will be right, as only dame are left
Schachus12 [3k\]: *SE
miao [6d\]: really messed up in byoyomi
]
;B[kk]BL[60]OB[3]C[rs220675 [3d?\]: now leela gets a clue...68% for black
GoIngo [?\]: cs is at 90 % for black
ibd [5k\]: a15 ko confused leela? wth?
]
;W[jl]WL[60]OW[3]C[moo: so there's a 10% chance of self-atari? :D
klausP [6d?\]: lol
]
;B[mn]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[ji]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[ij]BL[60]OB[3]C[ibd [5k\]: what's the japanese name for "b has to eat at j1 eventually"?
Uberdude [3d\]: tiere
Guoyl [2k\]: semedori
]
;W[rh]WL[60]OW[3]C[groobiest: munchi munchi
ibd [5k\]: thanks
Bahji [4k\]: thiis yose is moving at the speed of the driven snow...
scoundrila [4k\]: there is a 10% chance for b to become mad and fill its own territorry
rs220675 [3d?\]: It's amazing leela still gives 31% to white
LGildas [2d\]: semedori ?
Uberdude [3d\]: oh capture is semsedori
ibd [5k\]: semedori, that was it :)
Uberdude [3d\]: tieri is just defensive move
Uberdude [3d\]: inside territory
dangerbird [1d\]: teire
]
;B[cm]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[mk]WL[60]OW[3]C[scoundrila [4k\]: O5 is next
Guest2d [1d\]: do we need to think so long at this stage?
gghideki [?\]: successive 2 passes force Zen pass >Lukas
gosei [2d\]: my bad,miscounted:)
ibd [5k\]: why are they exchanging dame? 
MrDoctor [3k\]: chinese rules
ibd [5k\]: it's japanese
jv [2d\]: to make the game board prettier
MrDoctor [3k\]: o
MrDoctor [3k\]: idk then
]
;B[il]BL[60]OB[3]C[jv [2d\]: this one has a nice striated pattern
dldkfkf: b still needs to capture
]
;W[kl]WL[60]OW[3]C[gghideki [?\]: no, Japanese
Andeol [3k\]: Because they are used to EGF rules, maybe
scoundrila [4k\]: O5 is one point for b
dldkfkf: w is slowly forcing it
rs220675 [3d?\]: is this chinese rules?
gogonuts [3d\]: Lukas kept it alive for a long time in a very difficult position
GoIngo [?\]: japanese
Mneme [2k\]: Zen manage japanese rules ?
gghideki [?\]: But, even Japanese rules, both players have to fill dame
Schachus12 [3k\]: o5 is dame
rs220675 [3d?\]: ok
rdjhgo [1k\]: whatever
scoundrila [4k\]: ah no sorry
rdjhgo [1k\]: black won komi
]
;B[jk]BL[60]OB[3]C[ibd [5k\]: EGF rules say that dame must be filled?
scoundrila [4k\]: its useless
]
;W[oo]WL[60]OW[3]C[Uberdude [3d\]: o5 no point
Mneme [2k\]: there is no EGF rules ibd
rs220675 [3d?\]: even with japanese?
scoundrila [4k\]: yes i missed it
Andeol [3k\]: yes. EGF is equivalent to chinese. You fill the dame
gogonuts [3d\]: but he has to avoid falling behind in the first place :-)
]
;B[oi]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[do]WL[60]OW[3]C[dangerbird [1d\]: egf nothing to do with chinese
rs220675 [3d?\]: well, leela just gives 73% to Black, so go go go Lukas^^
groobiest: oh dear lord, why so long to make a move?
scoundrila [4k\]: leela is bizarre
Tsuke [3d\]: rs, probably still occasionally gets o8 killed in playout
miao [6d\]: when the ko´s started
miao [6d\]: but maybe also in my followup later
bert [?\]: it is always better to avoid falling behinds
rs220675 [3d?\]: @tsuke...yeah, leela must see something
jv [2d\]: no
jv [2d\]: thats just MC algorithm
]
;B[oe]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[eo]WL[60]OW[3]C[ibd [5k\]: CS is also MC, but it is better at keeping o8 in playouts it seems
jv [2d\]: some random playouts do dumb things and lose, so percentages dont have to go to zero
]
;B[dn]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[oh]WL[60]OW[3]C[Guoyl [2k\]: there's still a chance to capture A6 :p
rs220675 [3d?\]: which is good, because it simulates what can always happen, even to bots: a blunder
gosei [2d\]: a7;)
Medieval [3d\]: self atari!
]
;B[aq]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[am]WL[60]OW[3]C[yuri8 [4k\]: :(
dldkfkf: b7
Black [9d\]: it's not idiot bot guys .. lol
awesome [3k\]: a7 better!
jv [2d\]: except you're basically fighting the second law of thermodynamics at that point
scoundrila [4k\]: its just saving time
dangerbird [1d\]: I'd always play important games to the end against a bot, just to check any bugs. Lee sedol should have, too
Andeol [3k\]: I think even idiotbot tries to avoid self-atari
scoundrila [4k\]: its a way to say to w : i know what youre after
]
;B[ap]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[bm]WL[60]OW[3]C[Medieval [3d\]: it defended preemptively against the atari
bert [?\]: j1 
rs220675 [3d?\]: why doesn't lk just resign?
Guest2d [1d\]: well another 20 min to fill dames
GoldenBear [1d\]: What we are demonstrating here tonight is the awesome ability of humans to be patient. All 180 spectators! Thanks to you all! When the last neutrl points are finally filled, you can replay the game at go.codecentric.de
scoundrila [4k\]: it doesnt change anything that it play that before or after w threat
scoundrila [4k\]: since there is no other move to play anyway
]
;B[is]BL[60]OB[3]C[Haskell [2k\]: guys, pass-pass now.
ibd [5k\]: wow, j1!!
]
;W[]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[nm]BL[60]OB[3]C[ibd [5k\]: amazing
]
;W[]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[]BL[60]OB[3]TW[ha][ia][la][hb][kb][jc][id][jd][je][if][hg][sg][sh][ri][si][dj][fj][qj][rj][sj][dk][qk][rk][sk][sl][sm][sn][ro][so][rp][sp][rq][sq][rr][sr][rs][ss]TB[aa][ca][da][oa][pa][qa][ra][sa][ob][pb][qb][rb][sb][oc][pc][qc][rc][sc][nd][qd][me][cf][bg][ah][hq][ar][br][cr][dr][fr][hr][ir][lr][or][as][bs][cs][ds][es][fs][gs][js][ks][ls][ms][ns]C[bert [?\]: see?
ibd [5k\]: GG
miao [6d\]: thx
groobiest: GG
GoIngo [?\]: thx
GoRoGoRo [2d?\]: congrats to both
GoIngo [?\]: congrats to Zen team!
gghideki [?\]: Thanks for playin! awesome game
GoldenBear [1d\]: Congratulations to Zen!
Amenophis [2d?\]: Thank you for the game.
rs220675 [3d?\]: still, miao was pretty competitive, also in this game, well done
dldkfkf: was this some kind of event
miao [6d\]: :(
gghideki [?\]: so tough game, really
Samtron [14k?\]: compliment to miao
miao [6d\]: i think before a4 i was better
gghideki [?\]: so many kos :(
GoldenBear [1d\]: This was game 2 of the codecentric go challenge 2016. See go.codecentric.de
miao [6d\]: but i played the worst possible variation
rs220675 [3d?\]: iand white had winning chances...
GoIngo [?\]: strange: cs says Black won by 5.5 points
gghideki [?\]: probably
miao [6d\]: losing threats and points
miao [6d\]: ....
rs220675 [3d?\]: cs is crazy, don't u know, ingo^^
gghideki [?\]: too safety?  I guess
Guest2d [1d\]: miao, someone said you should play q7
miao [6d\]: i was not sure about liberties
GoIngo [?\]: What a battle
LGildas [2d\]: someone [9d?\] specifically
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