(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Chinese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[2700]OT[3x30 byo-yomi]
PW[DGoB1]PB[LeelaX]DT[2017-08-02]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[LeelaX [-\]: GTP Engine for LeelaX (black): Leela version 0.10.1. I will resign when I have lost. If you are sure you are winning but I haven't resigned yet, the status of some groups is not yet clear to me. I will pass out the game when I have won. You can download the latest stable version at https://sjeng.org/leela
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[dq]BL[2699.704]
;W[cd]WL[2691.64]
;B[pd]BL[2699.546]
;W[qp]WL[2682.301]
;B[ec]BL[2699.373]
;W[de]WL[2667.569]
;B[co]BL[2699.196]
;W[nq]WL[2661.842]
;B[hc]BL[2676.29]
;W[qf]WL[2649.892]
;B[nc]BL[2653.692]
;W[rd]WL[2641.257]
;B[cg]BL[2631.262]C[juyaj: White is Tang Li 3p
]
;W[dc]WL[2601.406]
;B[ed]BL[2617.628]
;W[eb]WL[2599.703]
;B[fb]BL[2595.362]
;W[db]WL[2596.896]
;B[be]BL[2573.194]
;W[bd]WL[2591.44]
;B[pg]BL[2551.167]
;W[pf]WL[2526.441]
;B[qg]BL[2525.264]
;W[of]WL[2395.741]
;B[og]BL[2503.005]
;W[nf]WL[2386.869]C[ibd [5k?\]: q4 incoming
]
;B[qc]BL[2481.142]
;W[rg]WL[2379.826]
;B[rh]BL[2468.08]
;W[rf]WL[2378.679]C[juyaj: maybe r6 for b to prepare first?
]
;B[ld]BL[2445.26]C[juyaj: r6 then r3
]
;W[ng]WL[2298.809]
;B[qi]BL[2423.581]
;W[oh]WL[2288.063]
;B[pj]BL[2359.937]
;W[qm]WL[2242.496]
;B[pl]BL[2338.813]C[MrOoijer [6d\]: leela thinks h is better at 63%
GCP [?\]: Your Leela :-)
lelliot [?\]: h?
juyaj: How did you find that out?
brentizard [18k\]: can the two players read our comments?
GCP [?\]: he's running 0.10, but that's not what is playing
]
;W[rk]WL[2147.254]
;B[pm]BL[2317.601]
;W[qn]WL[2143.728]C[ibd [5k?\]: b seems to be asking a question
]
;B[oo]BL[2296.676]C[MrOoijer [6d\]: right, but until now it has played the same moves
NiceGoAuth [-\]: the bot migth be able to read the comments, but would it understand?
juyaj: white has two corners and two weaknesses to aim at: the two b stones on the left and group on the right
]
;W[op]WL[2120.957]
;B[po]BL[2275.879]
;W[pp]WL[2112.57]C[juyaj: black has the top side, two corners and white's right group is very weak
Korea4K [2d\]: i think w no chance
NiceGoAuth [-\]: I can not beleave 5p has no chance, sorry!
juyaj: What hardware is Leela running on?
]
;B[mp]BL[2214.309]
;W[no]WL[2091.842]C[juyaj: Has a computer ever beaten a professional while running on a laptop?
]
;B[mm]BL[2193.665]C[GCP [?\]: Ryzen 7 1700 plus GTX 1080 Ti
NiceGoAuth [-\]: sory, w is 3p
Korea4K [2d\]: b 60% win  against korean pros
]
;W[nn]WL[2074.006]C[GCP [?\]: Not quite a laptop, but a ~1100 EUR desktop
]
;B[nm]BL[2181.339]
;W[lo]WL[2064.956]
;B[ln]BL[2161.055]C[yauwing [?\]: way stronger than laptop
]
;W[lp]WL[2052.872]C[yauwing [?\]: or you mean workstation?
GCP [?\]: We know it is beatable if you run your video encoding software at the same time as Leela or use a 5y old mid-range GPU :-)
]
;B[nh]BL[2111.906]C[GCP [?\]: The lady with the youtube channel did it twice
juyaj: Haylee beat Leela pretty easily
GCP [?\]: but this is way stronger hardware
juyaj: The last video it was a pretty good desktop
taijiccc [1d?\]: what is important is number of simulations, if hardware is super good but leela is restricted to 20k sims per move for example, it could be prob and hardware doesnt mean anything at that point. Strong hardware is to get more simulations with speed but leela plays very fast atm so maybe sims is low. Leela with many sims is super strong but with low sims it can make mistake
lelliot [?\]: Haylee played it a while ago.
GCP [?\]: the one I saw was using a 6850 HD, which predates the time that those GPUs were good for accelerating this
GCP [?\]: it's very slow actually
NiceGoAuth [-\]: what hardware were you playing on cgos? 4c, or is this not your account?
MrOoijer [6d\]: Mine is also running on a multicore + GPU- 
GCP [?\]: I don't play on CGOS
NiceGoAuth [-\]: I see
yauwing [?\]: Haylee played ver 0.95
GCP [?\]: it keeps dropping my connection, so my accounts all lose on time all the time
NiceGoAuth [-\]: I thought might be solved for you, you told me some month ago
taijiccc [1d?\]: Hey Aja.
GCP [?\]: I tried a python client but it had the same problem
GCP [?\]: on my webserver it's fine, so I run the _5k accounts on like half a core, but those are handicapped, of course
NiceGoAuth [-\]: too bad, yuite some good programs running there
NiceGoAuth [-\]: *quite
juyaj: Aja worrying about the competition :)
GCP [?\]: yes but they vary all the time so it's not really useful for development anyway
ibd [5k?\]: b is not doing terrible up to now
MrOoijer [6d\]: weak point of 0.10 is estimates in the end game
juyaj: I think s9 turned out badly for white, maybe q7 instead was better, to avoid getting pressed like that?
]
;W[md]WL[1768.704]
;B[mc]BL[2091.344]C[juyaj: q7 makes good territory in the corner and potential on the side
]
;W[ni]WL[1728.802]
;B[mh]BL[2079.012]
;W[pi]WL[1726.981]
;B[mi]BL[2059.212]
;W[qh]WL[1714.131]
;B[dj]BL[2039.46]C[taijiccc [1d?\]: Leela's center switch
taijiccc [1d?\]: as usual
Lhae [2k\]: %?
juyaj: B looks way ahead to me
ibd [5k?\]: c6?
]
;W[kn]WL[1577.856]
;B[km]BL[2027.387]
;W[jn]WL[1575.886]C[juyaj: W has about 55 points with komi so far
]
;B[jm]BL[2015.605]
;W[in]WL[1574.576]
;B[im]BL[1996.129]
;W[hn]WL[1566.421]C[juyaj: B can more than that I'm pretty sure
]
;B[gq]BL[1976.764]
;W[le]WL[1552.562]
;B[ke]BL[1943.33]
;W[kd]WL[1522.172]
;B[lc]BL[1931.259]
;W[kf]WL[1514.497]
;B[je]BL[1919.639]
;W[lg]WL[1510.708]
;B[nj]BL[1879.844]
;W[cl]WL[1506.687]
;B[ck]BL[1848.281]
;W[cn]WL[1495.809]
;B[dn]BL[1826.899]
;W[dm]WL[1485.197]
;B[bn]BL[1815.434]
;W[bm]WL[1483.134]
;B[cm]BL[1804.16]
;W[bk]WL[1477.591]C[autom00v [?\]: W is playing as in a handicap game; B is going through the motions.
]
;B[bj]BL[1785.501]
;W[cn]WL[1471.145]C[autom00v [?\]: W doesn't seem to be taking B seriously. :)
]
;B[ph]BL[1761.533]C[GCP [?\]: That could be a rather dangerous thing to do.
taijiccc [1d?\]: Lol
]
;W[qh]WL[1447.532]C[autom00v [?\]: wut?
taijiccc [1d?\]: that ko threat lol
Saturn [2d\]: HAHAHAHA
taijiccc [1d?\]: Why not p11
]
;B[cm]BL[1733.75]
;W[dk]WL[1443.469]C[Burton [6k\]: Haylee Korean 9 pro plays Leela on her youtube
MrOoijer [6d\]: extra threat at q12
]
;B[cj]BL[1722.512]
;W[cn]WL[1442.13]C[Burton [6k\]: you can see the former games
taijiccc [1d?\]: Ah
taijiccc [1d?\]: Right
blackpete [1k\]: what the winrate?
juyaj: Leela weak at ko and life and death
]
;B[em]BL[1704.326]C[taijiccc [1d?\]: leela 10 is okay at ko tho
taijiccc [1d?\]: with enough sims
]
;W[en]WL[1420.827]C[taijiccc [1d?\]: it judges well
juyaj: It often makes huge mistakes
]
;B[cm]BL[1693.397]
;W[dl]WL[1418.476]
;B[do]BL[1675.169]
;W[fm]WL[1409.294]C[luffyCoser [2k\]: Haylee Korean 9 pro plays Leela on her youtube <-- any link?
]
;B[oi]BL[1657.06]C[juyaj: now p11 XD
Burton [6k\]: sorry no just search Haylee Go
lelliot [?\]: haylee is 3p btw.
]
;W[hr]WL[1380.992]C[lelliot [?\]: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTji1kQNoWIH85dB_Vxka9g
lelliot [?\]: channel link.
]
;B[hq]BL[1639.134]
;W[iq]WL[1379.27]
;B[gr]BL[1621.368]C[Burton [6k\]: she is 9 pro on tygem i guess
lelliot [?\]: oh, heh.
luffyCoser [2k\]: ty
yauwing [?\]: Haylee quitted pro a few months ago and is a strong amateur now
NiceGoAuth [-\]: I do get winrate for b going down to 53% now (on NiceGo)
Burton [6k\]: she has many good youtube presentations
]
;W[ir]WL[1280.299]
;B[ip]BL[1603.218]
;W[jp]WL[1266]
;B[ph]BL[1585.665]
;W[rc]WL[1260.426]C[lelliot [?\]: see also gave an 'authors@google' talk thats at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rDSnAbPbHY&t=23s
Burton [6k\]: I am sorry to hear she quit the pro aspect she is a good teacher
]
;B[jf]BL[1568.156]C[taijiccc [1d?\]: currently winrate on leela is 66% for black
brentizard [18k\]: is a 3p that quits referred to as a 9d?
brentizard [18k\]: or is she still technically a 3p?
]
;W[jg]WL[1219.727]
;B[ig]BL[1550.088]C[NiceGoAuth [-\]: I do not thrust 66%
]
;W[jh]WL[1183.21]C[Burton [6k\]: She has played at the us Go Congress
taijiccc [1d?\]: leela says its 67% now for black
taijiccc [1d?\]: still no change, 66-67% seems a bit high though
GCP [?\]: Yes, the computer always thinks it's better until it loses :)
taijiccc [1d?\]: Indeed
]
;B[ff]BL[1498.511]C[ibd [5k?\]: most of the board seems pretty settled now, so the evaluation might be accurate
autom00v [?\]: what's the difference between this leela and the released 0.10.0?
luu5: is this Leela 10.0 or even more developed? 
]
;W[dg]WL[1155.634]C[cartman: its probably even higher
GCP [?\]: it's about half a stone stronger than 0.10
]
;B[cf]BL[1481.258]
;W[df]WL[1148.558]
;B[ih]BL[1464.04]C[luu5: cheers guys
autom00v [?\]: in the neural network or in playouts? asking because i don't have a gpu, so can't get loads of playouts
]
;W[fg]WL[1124.198]C[GCP [?\]: both evaluations prefer black, slightly
cartman: will it be released soon?
]
;B[gf]BL[1447.035]C[GCP [?\]: after the 1st World AI Go Open
taijiccc [1d?\]: I wonder where white can find a chance? 
autom00v [?\]: nice :)
GCP [?\]: so near the end of august, depending on when I have time etc etc
autom00v [?\]: thank you so much for your work!
]
;W[cn]WL[1030.05]
;B[ad]BL[1430.021]
;W[ac]WL[1023.79]
;B[ae]BL[1419.866]
;W[bb]WL[1017.521]
;B[bo]BL[1403.139]C[ibd [5k?\]: GCP, what brought the biggest bump in strength in this version?
]
;W[ji]WL[976.894]C[GCP [?\]: more trained networks
GCP [?\]: I have only a single GPU, so that just takes time
luu5: oh you are the dev, GCP. Thx for all the work and making it even free :)
GCP [?\]: I am busy on a rewrite of the monte carlo part
GCP [?\]: but it was no ready for this game. maybe for WAIGO it will be
]
;B[rb]BL[1353.589]C[wade [5d\]: b is taking the big endgame pts
taijiccc [1d?\]: You are amazing btw, I am cheering for leela in waigo. gogo :)
wade [5d\]: maybe a bit too early
GCP [?\]: WAIGO field is very stacked
taijiccc [1d?\]: Yeah
]
;W[od]WL[877.73]C[luu5: GCP, couldn't we use a network for leela's neural development. Like seti program etc?
GCP [?\]: no, DCNN training likes a fast, large bandwidth link
luu5: ic, big blocks won't help
]
;B[oc]BL[1306.738]C[GCP [?\]: having a large database of strong games would be nice. like the 32M alphago selfplay games. you hearing me, ajahuang? :)
]
;W[qb]WL[858.762]C[luu5: :P
]
;B[pb]BL[1296.796]C[taijiccc [1d?\]: that'd be so cool :)
GCP [?\]: this is a limiting factor for me right now
NiceGoAuth [-\]: oh you train from selfplay, I se
pookpooi [?\]: Can you do anything with just 50 games?
autom00v [?\]: https://github.com/yenw/computer-go-dataset has 1.5 million strong tygem games
GCP [?\]: no
GCP [?\]: I mean the 32M games used for the value network
crazyeight [8d\]: what is this?
ibd [5k?\]: 50 games is way too small to train any kind of network
]
;W[ej]WL[774.527]C[NiceGoAuth [-\]: yes, I thought so, my limiting factor is that I do this from 4d kgs games :)
ajahuang [?\]: I didn't hear anything. :)
pookpooi [?\]: LOL Aja Huang answer
taijiccc [1d?\]: lol
]
;B[me]BL[1248.651]C[taijiccc [1d?\]: Just you wait, rise of leela is coming!
]
;W[lf]WL[767.231]C[taijiccc [1d?\]: ^^
pookpooi [?\]: Does 'AlphaGoBot' account still active in KGS?
cartman: hm, w is behind on points
GCP [?\]: autom00v, value network can use even much more than that
]
;B[dh]BL[1201.316]
;W[eh]WL[760.774]C[autom00v [?\]: sure, but i haven't found a larger collection so far... :)
cartman: if there isnt a L&D bug, will be hard for w
]
;B[di]BL[1185.569]C[GCP [?\]: I wonder if it is possible to iterate training at some point, and if that is what alphago did
GCP [?\]: so, train value net from policy net games, then play games to train new policy net, etc
]
;W[ce]WL[726.472]C[GCP [?\]: at each iteration, the level of the games, and the qualify of the network goes up
]
;B[bg]BL[1169.493]C[autom00v [?\]: GCP: are you or other authors using the adversarial learning idea?
luu5: well you can always test if it works :)
luu5: dunno how much time a test would take
GCP [?\]: I am not. I'm too limited in computing power to try new things.
GCP [?\]: Leela's network is still only 1/4th of what AlphaGo had, and 1/8th of the value network.
GCP [?\]: And that's the *original* AlphaGo.
]
;W[ei]WL[668.593]C[autom00v [?\]: would sponsoring access to Amazon's High Performance Computing (or similar) help?
GCP [?\]: I am trying to catch up after buying that 1080 GTX :)
oriels: CGP, You mean nature-alphago?
GCP [?\]: oriels, yes
]
;B[eo]BL[1123.153]C[luu5: GCP: have you thought of Patreon financing?
GCP [?\]: autom00v, in my experience AWS is very slow, much slower than one would expect from the claimed hardware
autom00v [?\]: oh
]
;W[fn]WL[635.245]C[pookpooi [?\]: Imagine ff AlphaGo is still in developing right now (despite its retirement from competitive match) 
oriels: hmm... you haven't managed to replicate the alphago paper after 1.5 years...
pookpooi [?\]: It may be even 12 dan!
GCP [?\]: oriels, no I haven't
lelliot [?\]: gcp - have you tried GCP (google cloud platform :)) ?
GCP [?\]: oriels to illustrate the problem
GCP [?\]: oriels at some point the paper says "we now let 50 GPUs run for a week"
]
;B[ii]BL[1077.526]C[GCP [?\]: oriels with 1 GPU....you see the problem
]
;W[jj]WL[625.837]C[oriels: can't you rent some GPUs?
GCP [?\]: $$$
pookpooi [?\]: Is it harder than making chess AI, GCP?
]
;B[bc]BL[1032.577]C[Clavicule [4d\]: time for the armed robbery
]
;W[cc]WL[620.777]C[GCP [?\]: lelliot yes, unusable for me. only works for business accounts
lelliot [?\]: oh, you're in EU ?  
Cassis0 [5d\]: b ahead? 
GCP [?\]: pookpooi not sure actually. I have much more experience now than when I did chess, but there is more room to try new things in Go, imho.
]
;B[rj]BL[988.256]C[GCP [?\]: yes, I'm from Belgium
taijiccc [1d?\]: leela thinks black has 76% winrate 
]
;W[qk]WL[603.312]C[GCP [?\]: anyway, this is my hobby, and I want to keep it that way.
oriels: what new things to try, GCP?
oriels: alphago is already hugely super-human
GCP [?\]: It would be nice if there was a free pro level analysis program for new Go players, and we're not too far away from that
pookpooi [?\]: Does GCP still use foobar as his main music player?
]
;B[sk]BL[944.519]C[GCP [?\]: oriels yes, but not on your PC
GCP [?\]: oriels and not on your phone
oriels: it's a problem of hardware, not algorithm.
GCP [?\]: pookpooi, of course :)
GCP [?\]: you can avoid bigger hardware with better algorithms
]
;W[rl]WL[550.559]C[pookpooi [?\]: I bet you're once obsess with tuning audio codec?
GCP [?\]: that's what I'm trying!
GCP [?\]: actually I'm learning to play bass
oriels: alphago was single-machine in Master 60 games and Wuzhen.
]
;B[mn]BL[901.293]
;W[mo]WL[546.288]C[GCP [?\]: single-machine...with custom TPU ASICS
oriels: it would be not too weak even on a PC.
oriels: on GPU, I bet it will be also very strong.
]
;B[kk]BL[858.784]C[oriels: you should just wait for alphago new paper.
lelliot [?\]: but they used a lot of horsepower training the networks.
]
;W[qd]WL[525.829]C[pookpooi [?\]: Everyone is waiting for that for several months
crazyeight [8d\]: they had nearly infinite resources
GCP [?\]: oriels maybe. still haven't been able to replicate the old one
]
;B[qa]BL[844.366]
;W[nd]WL[520.797]C[GCP [?\]: Leela's MC count and VN count are disagreeing here
]
;B[ak]BL[830.337]C[GCP [?\]: maybe the position just needs to settle a bit
oriels: you can see Zen and Fineart still have problems with semeai and life-and-death, but Alphago conquered that.
oriels: that's the power of new algorithms.
]
;W[bl]WL[447.904]C[GCP [?\]: You know what helps with semeai?
GCP [?\]: Faster hardware :P
]
;B[ab]BL[813.188]
;W[aa]WL[440.258]C[oriels: no, only better algorithms will solve it.
GCP [?\]: Well, solving and good enough are two different things.
]
;B[fo]BL[771.908]C[GCP [?\]: But technically, MCTS solves it too, with fast hardware.
GCP [?\]: We knew that in 2006 :P
GCP [?\]: I presume the human player is counting it out now?
]
;W[pg]WL[356.608]C[pookpooi [?\]: I still remember the Mogo project that believe in supercomputer power
luffyCoser [2k\]: MCTS has been using since crazystone
autom00v [?\]: why does it make moves at a18? or at the end, give every atari it sees?
]
;B[og]BL[758.019]C[autom00v [?\]: s/at/like/
]
;W[ee]WL[326.681]
;B[fe]BL[749.217]
;W[fc]WL[324.129]C[GCP [?\]: maybe horizon like effect?
]
;B[gc]BL[735.477]
;W[fa]WL[321.505]C[GCP [?\]: it sees that the position isn't as good as it hopes, so it plays an atari to delay the bad news
]
;B[gb]BL[727.205]C[autom00v [?\]: :)
]
;W[sh]WL[311.105]C[GCP [?\]: Mogo was strong for it's time. UCT is still used.
]
;B[ri]BL[687.117]C[GCP [?\]: Leela may be miscounting this :(
]
;W[gs]WL[292.505]C[ajahuang [?\]: yeah looks like Leela is losing.
]
;B[fs]BL[678.631]
;W[hs]WL[290.215]C[GCP [?\]: VN says 100% won but MC is <50%
GCP [?\]: so I assume W+1
]
;B[fr]BL[639.198]
;W[bh]WL[286.454]C[crazyeight [8d\]: what's the significance of the mc win percentage?
]
;B[ch]BL[626.111]
;W[ag]WL[284.22]
;B[bf]BL[612.859]
;W[bi]WL[281.663]
;B[aj]BL[599.57]C[GCP [?\]: Number of semi-random games where the player won
GCP [?\]: Well, percentage
]
;W[al]WL[248.743]C[Koby [?\]: played to the end?
]
;B[kj]BL[586.463]
;W[pe]WL[237.913]C[GCP [?\]: Yes
]
;B[io]BL[573.598]
;W[go]WL[231.985]C[crazyeight [8d\]: if it's semi-random, wouldn't it almost always tend towards 50% anyways?
GCP [?\]: yes
]
;B[hp]BL[556.515]
;W[jo]WL[229.58]C[GCP [?\]: but it's on the wrong side of 50
crazyeight [8d\]: by how much?
]
;B[jq]BL[534.581]
;W[jr]WL[225.97]C[GCP [?\]: it's back on the right side *now*, but clearly Leela has problems counting here
lelliot [?\]: crayeight - it will tend towards 50% in an even position ;)
]
;B[kq]BL[503.442]
;W[kr]WL[223.796]
;B[lq]BL[466.447]
;W[lr]WL[220.767]C[crazyeight [8d\]: I see moves like m3 as a sign that it won't win :\\
wade [5d\]: does it tend to simplify positions to make the count better?
GCP [?\]: no
]
;B[gi]BL[430.004]C[wade [5d\]: so its on desperate mode now?
]
;W[pc]WL[212.872]
;B[qb]BL[417.881]C[Gelya [1d\]: white is ahead a bit
GCP [?\]: I wouldn't say desperate, but this game may still go either way
]
;W[gg]WL[187.432]C[crazyeight [8d\]: let's see
GCP [?\]: Or maybe the pro has counted it out and knows she won, not sure
]
;B[hg]BL[405.636]C[Slowmotion [2d?\]: who's W pls ?
GCP [?\]: Tang Ti 3p
GCP [?\]: Yi
Slowmotion [2d?\]: ok thank you ^^
]
;W[pn]WL[152.373]C[luffyCoser [2k\]: is leela doing pure monte carlo or mix with neuro network?
]
;B[on]BL[398.164]
;W[qo]WL[150.748]
;B[om]BL[390.667]C[crazyeight [8d\]: white is ahead
]
;W[hj]WL[141.653]
;B[gl]BL[373.583]C[wade [5d\]: desperate mode is harsh a bit ^^ i mean like it plays many exchanges that doesnt make sense in human game
]
;W[fk]WL[96.574]
;B[fl]BL[361.639]
;W[el]WL[92.829]C[GCP [?\]: luffyCoser, it's mixing
]
;B[gm]BL[349.005]
;W[gn]WL[89.103]
;B[gh]BL[337.265]
;W[sb]WL[48.282]C[GCP [?\]: I guess that left group is being miscounted
crazyeight [8d\]: probably
crazyeight [8d\]: bots have a hard time with seki
]
;B[ba]BL[302.505]
;W[hi]WL[37.762]
;B[hh]BL[295.479]C[ibd [5k?\]: ouch
]
;W[an]WL[10.731]C[lelliot [?\]: ooh, 2nd redmond review of ag v. ag just posted :)
]
;B[ao]BL[261.346]C[luu5: ooo, cheers lelliot
ibd [5k?\]: lelliot, just saw it too
]
;W[lh]WL[1.631]C[ibd [5k?\]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83B6MfrCAsg#action=share
luu5: they are so interesting, and good dynasty between Redmond and Garlock now
]
;B[hk]BL[227.847]C[ibd [5k?\]: dynasty? did you mean dynamics?
luu5: dynamics :)
crazyeight [8d\]: I personally don't believe that anyone is strong enough to offer accurate reviews of ag vs ag games
]
;W[jk]WL[30]OW[3]C[luu5: I was just wondering what is wrong with that
]
;B[gj]BL[216.486]
;W[ij]WL[30]OW[3]C[autom00v [?\]: but we need the exegesis by humans. you can't ask alphago, so it's more like a deity than a teacher.
]
;B[ga]BL[183.424]C[ibd [5k?\]: crazyeight, I see these videos more as "learning from AG", which is totally possible for us weak humans
]
;W[ea]WL[30]OW[3]C[wade [5d\]: auto you cant but aja can :P
cartman: even SE is realizing the seki
crazyeight [8d\]: aja certainly has more access to information than we do
]
;B[ef]BL[150.837]
;W[eg]WL[30]OW[3]C[ibd [5k?\]: well, didn't deepmind promise an AG teaching tool or something like that? ;)
crazyeight [8d\]: they pitched it during the ke jie matches
]
;B[mg]BL[118.761]
;W[mf]WL[30]OW[3]C[crazyeight [8d\]: it sounded more like a back burner type project, though
]
;B[hm]BL[87.139]
;W[jl]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[kl]BL[80.485]
;W[gp]WL[30]OW[3]C[ibd [5k?\]: what do you mean by that? low priority?
pookpooi [?\]: I actually prefer deepmind to continue make it stronger than make it more accessible ;)
]
;B[fp]BL[74.012]
;W[pk]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[ok]BL[67.507]
;W[li]WL[30]OW[3]C[crazyeight [8d\]: also, we can't learn from alphago because we don't have the level of expertise to understand it
]
;B[lj]BL[60.694]
;W[ki]WL[30]OW[3]C[ibd [5k?\]: pookpooi, why? it is already the strongest AI by far, no need to get stronger. but, would love an executable to play around with :p
crazyeight [8d\]: there's always a need to get stronger =P
]
;B[ql]BL[29.84]
;W[sl]WL[30]OW[3]C[pookpooi [?\]: just in case alien visit us and want to play go
]
;B[rm]BL[16.988]
;W[rn]WL[30]OW[3]C[ibd [5k?\]: that's like saying there's always a need for the economy to grow
crazyeight [8d\]: there is
]
;B[si]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[sg]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[pd]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[oh]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[qj]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[sm]WL[30]OW[3]C[GCP [?\]: I will resign this on behalf of Leela
]
;B[qg]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[pc]WL[30]OW[3]C[GCP [?\]: lest this game goes to the count and she wants to dispute :)
pookpooi [?\]: so sad
]
;B[sn]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[so]WL[30]OW[3]C[pookpooi [?\]: is it still think it can win?
cartman: nah, lets see whether Leela understands triple ko
autom00v [?\]: it would be boring to go to counting, but what would there be to dispute?
yauwing [?\]: seki
ibd [5k?\]: gg
crazyeight [8d\]: besides, wouldn't you want to know what a game of go looks like when played by things X stones stronger than the strongest pro?
LeelaX [-\]: automoov, she would dispute the status of the A16 group
LeelaX [-\]: or rather, of A13 B12 B11
lelliot [?\]: thanks GCP.
juyaj: Wow, I left 30 min ago when Leela was totlly winning. It messed up the life and death again. 
NiceGoAuth [-\]: gg, thanks
pookpooi [?\]: good game
LeelaX [-\]: thanks for the game
LeelaX [-\]: and congrats!
autom00v [?\]: leela is such a good sparring partner in the first, say, 100 moves, when it's positional judgement can shine
LeelaX [-\]: I think this is W+4.5
autom00v [?\]: (at my level anyway :) )
autom00v [?\]: even on a lowly macbook
autom00v [?\]: its*
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