(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[6600]
PW[Many Faces of Go]PB[John Tromp]WR[2d]BR[2d]DT[2010-12-28]CP[BGA]EV[Man/Machine match]RO[2]PC[ISH, Great Portland Street, LOndon, England]WT["Machine"]BT["Man"]US[N.S.Wedd]C[BGAmatches [-\]: play will start soon, both players are ready
BGAmatches [-\]: Black is Many Faces of Go, on the same system as in round 1
underplay [5d\]: John Tromp is a UK player?
gogonuts [5d\]: how is the color determined?
BGAmatches [-\]: coin toss for round 1, thern alternate
gogonuts [5d\]: wasnt mf b the first game?
]
;B[dp]C[BGAmatches [-\]: yes, and now it is white
]
;W[dc]
;B[pp]C[gogonuts [5d\]: thx, you said b is mf above
BGAmatches [-\]: yes, my mistake
]
;W[qd]
;B[de]
;W[cg]C[BGAmatches [-\]: W is Many Faces
]
;B[cc]
;W[cb]
;B[cd]
;W[eb]
;B[ef]
;W[gd]C[gogonuts [5d\]: classic answer this time by b
]
;B[dh]C[gogonuts [5d\]: the drawback is that mf also knew a classic answer to the classic answer :-)
]
;W[ci]C[klausP [4d\]: In the first game tromp choose e13 instead of e14 in this joseki
klausP [4d\]: mybe he looked it up
underplay [5d\]: c12 b12 d13 for simplicity
klausP [4d\]: here e10 is possible too
gogonuts [5d\]: i think he actually confused it with g13 instead of e18 in the first game
EpicPhail [2k\]: g16 at f16 normal?
gogonuts [5d\]: both normal
underplay [5d\]: both possible
klausP [4d\]: with the 44 stones b could choose e10 Immo
underplay [5d\]: how about c9 - kill the bot early :p
klausP [4d\]: the human playing with the influence would be interesting
gogonuts [5d\]: :-)
klausP [4d\]: c9 is joseki?
underplay [5d\]: doubt it :p
underplay [5d\]: but seems fun
EpicPhail [2k\]: c9 looks promising
underplay [5d\]: joseki is so restrictive - harder to kill
]
;B[jp]C[gogonuts [5d\]: b has reason to see himself as the stronger player
gogonuts [5d\]: so he will want to play safely
underplay [5d\]: i would c8 now as w
gogonuts [5d\]: safest was c12,b12,d13
]
;W[cn]C[gogonuts [5d\]: not a good aproach
gogonuts [5d\]: app
underplay [5d\]: might be ok
underplay [5d\]: hard to cut it
]
;B[fq]C[underplay [5d\]: if b is not careful w will get more than he deserves
gogonuts [5d\]: r6 was better for wthan c6
underplay [5d\]: b4 c3 d8 
underplay [5d\]: if this, w is happy
underplay [5d\]: imho
gogonuts [5d\]: w is in danger of ending up low on the left
underplay [5d\]: but ofc b can not answer b4 and then w would be sad :(
]
;W[mp]C[gogonuts [5d\]: overplay
underplay [5d\]: wow, bot move
underplay [5d\]: now c9
klausP [4d\]: here we go
gogonuts [5d\]: r6 good enough for b
gogonuts [5d\]: w should have played r6 himself
klausP [4d\]: I think b choose f3, because the corner is less vulerable, If b invades at c9 and c6 seeks live in the corner
]
;B[pn]C[gogonuts [5d\]: f3 was ok
klausP [4d\]: but b does not need to hurry
]
;W[pq]C[klausP [4d\]: Q6 is fine too
EpicPhail [2k\]: q6 seems to force w into the corner where b can kill it
gogonuts [5d\]: hm
gogonuts [5d\]: which one?
gogonuts [5d\]: both attrctive :-)
underplay [5d\]: r3 seems enough
EpicPhail [2k\]: p3 and hope for corner kill
gogonuts [5d\]: yes, i would ponder p3, then play r3 :-)
klausP [4d\]: MFoG had some live and death problems in game 1
underplay [5d\]: with k4 in place r3 should make w too tight
gogonuts [5d\]: let it create its own problems
gogonuts [5d\]: dont be to smart about it
klausP [4d\]: by the way: tenuki is still real big
EpicPhail [2k\]: yes maybe John has exploited that MFOG has Problems with the q4 q6 shape
klausP [4d\]: lots of big points remaining
gogonuts [5d\]: please no :-)
]
;B[qq]C[klausP [4d\]: so b can play r3, and end up in sente
EpicPhail [2k\]: because he played this shape last game where it was clearly not so good
gogonuts [5d\]: will mf even find p4?
underplay [5d\]: unlikely
]
;W[op]C[AdrianMonk [4d\]: r3 is weak move, seems underplay
gogonuts [5d\]: yes
BGAmatches [-\]: :)
Sandmann [5d\]: in your face
klausP [4d\]: p4 is in the Joseki database
underplay [5d\]: :(
klausP [4d\]: so easy to find
underplay [5d\]: Sandmann so cruel :(
Sandmann [5d\]: xD
gogonuts [5d\]: q5,p2,r2 - nothing fancy please
underplay [5d\]: does manyfaces have joseki built into it?
]
;B[qp]C[BGAmatches [-\]: yes
gogonuts [5d\]: its not a slave to the patterns, but the joseki moves get a bonus in the search
underplay [5d\]: i see
gogonuts [5d\]: b wants sente himself
]
;W[di]C[gogonuts [5d\]: but w will take sente now
underplay [5d\]: big move
gogonuts [5d\]: yupp
underplay [5d\]: hane first think later
Sandmann [5d\]: i'd have played this without c6 and n4 exchanges
gogonuts [5d\]: how to handle? - double hane?
underplay [5d\]: double hane looks fun
gogonuts [5d\]: difficult point
]
;B[ei]C[gogonuts [5d\]: connect is better prob
gogonuts [5d\]: after w e10
]
;W[ej]C[Sandmann [5d\]: you mean e12?
gogonuts [5d\]: yes
Sandmann [5d\]: hm then why exchange e11 
BGAmatches [-\]: B has used 12 minutes, W 6
gogonuts [5d\]: so w doesnt play it :-)
klausP [4d\]: I like the white moves here, they solve the c9 problem and the Price is ok
Sandmann [5d\]: :O
EpicPhail [2k\]: is o2 or o3 the vital point?
gogonuts [5d\]: connection seems ok to me because w has a hard time responding at f10
Sandmann [5d\]: ah i see
Sandmann [5d\]: i think f10 is ok
gogonuts [5d\]: for b now?
Sandmann [5d\]: for w
gogonuts [5d\]: ok
Sandmann [5d\]: i dont know what to play for b
]
;B[eh]C[WeshCousin [3d?\]: D9?
gogonuts [5d\]: d9 is such a human move :-)
WeshCousin [3d?\]: sure it is :p
]
;W[fj]C[cody101 [3d\]: lol
gogonuts [5d\]: yeah, yeah
klausP [4d\]: whereas f10 is such a bot move
gogonuts [5d\]: i hope b manages to punish f10
klausP [4d\]: w leaves a lot of aji here
klausP [4d\]: not so good
gogonuts [5d\]: direct cut?
gogonuts [5d\]: or c12 first?
klausP [4d\]: b can push at c12 and cut at d10 after that
gogonuts [5d\]: that seems like common sense
Sandmann [5d\]: i think the fight is better for w:D
klausP [4d\]: why?
Sandmann [5d\]: feeling
gogonuts [5d\]: c12 is prob the right move, because w c12 fixes everything
Sandmann [5d\]: e14 and b's cutting stones would both be weak
klausP [4d\]: I think the fight is nice on eather side, against MFoG, hehe
AdrianMonk [4d\]: h13
gogonuts [5d\]: i think b must go with klaus
BGAmatches [-\]: B has used 17 mins, W 8
]
;B[ch]
;W[bh]C[gogonuts [5d\]: d10 pls
klausP [4d\]: for annyone who ist interested in how to beat MFoG with cruel moves, I opened up a game in the german corner
klausP [4d\]: extrsolid vs MFoG
]
;B[dj]C[gogonuts [5d\]: here we go
]
;W[bj]C[gogonuts [5d\]: tricky
]
;B[dk]C[Sandmann [5d\]: w is cool
gogonuts [5d\]: i suggest d9,f8,d7
gogonuts [5d\]: so is b
cody101 [3d\]: E8?
gogonuts [5d\]: oops, i meant e8
gogonuts [5d\]: w e8, b d7
cody101 [3d\]: yeah but theres C3 later for w
]
;W[cl]C[gogonuts [5d\]: nice
gogonuts [5d\]: well handled by mf
gogonuts [5d\]: abandon for now
gogonuts [5d\]: g11
klausP [4d\]: stong play by the bot
klausP [4d\]: nice shape
gogonuts [5d\]: yes
BGAmatches [-\]: B has used 21 mins, W 10
]
;B[lc]C[gogonuts [5d\]: too early tenuki
MXHero [3d\]: i really dislike this
Sandmann [5d\]: g12 goo
cody101 [3d\]: black has crazy ideas
]
;W[gi]C[gogonuts [5d\]: good, bs point
WeshCousin [3d?\]: b seems fine and ahead
gogonuts [5d\]: w came back
klausP [4d\]: m17 is localy nice, but I like g11 too
cody101 [3d\]: yeah i like G11
klausP [4d\]: e14 not settled and c9 looks wasted
MXHero [3d\]: yeah
]
;B[hg]
;W[jc]
;B[oc]
;W[pc]C[gogonuts [5d\]: ladder against p16 works, so b can play q15 instead of p16 if he wants
EpicPhail [2k\]: how to punish n4 shape later?
MXHero [3d\]: p16 is just such a nice move though
gogonuts [5d\]: :-)
klausP [4d\]: Interesting to see, that MFoG does not play like Zen at all
]
;B[od]C[klausP [4d\]: maybe due to josekie Database
gogonuts [5d\]: different character :-)
klausP [4d\]: yes, completely different
]
;W[pf]C[klausP [4d\]: r12 now
MXHero [3d\]: hmm this looks slightly wrong
gogonuts [5d\]: q14 feels a little to active
klausP [4d\]: r12 is a nice checking move I think
gogonuts [5d\]: makes playing m15 easy for b
WeshCousin [3d?\]: R12 seems fine
klausP [4d\]: it aims at r15
gogonuts [5d\]: b r12 too early
klausP [4d\]: how should b attack the p4 stones, If he wants to do that?
]
;B[ke]C[gogonuts [5d\]: the solid r4 makes the continuation a little difficult
EpicPhail [2k\]: i vote for o2
gogonuts [5d\]: epic
klausP [4d\]: epic?
gogonuts [5d\]: fail :-)
]
;W[kq]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: ^^
]
;B[jq]C[MXHero [3d\]: r12 is coming up, stay tuned! :)
EpicPhail [2k\]: h17 looks interesting, too
gogonuts [5d\]: L3 is heavy
WeshCousin [3d?\]: so heavy...
klausP [4d\]: h17 may turn out to be an overplay
gogonuts [5d\]: w needs to take gote at r11
gogonuts [5d\]: so defining the bottom isnt good
]
;W[kp]C[Sandmann [5d\]: w should k14
gogonuts [5d\]: steal r12
EpicPhail [2k\]: j16 + e8 looks interesting
klausP [4d\]: L3 and L4 look like a kyuis aproach to settle the stones
gogonuts [5d\]: b k5 wr11 unsatisfactory for b
]
;B[oq]C[gogonuts [5d\]: so steal it
gogonuts [5d\]: no
MXHero [3d\]: eech, this just gives w some shape
gogonuts [5d\]: and k5 or L5 makes w strong
]
;W[jo]C[gogonuts [5d\]: critical situation
]
;B[io]C[MXHero [3d\]: b can't possibly respond to the hane
MXHero [3d\]: now it looks like he made a mistake
BGAmatches [-\]: W has used 29 mins, B 16
gogonuts [5d\]: which he did :-)
]
;W[nq]C[MXHero [3d\]: yes, but it's bad to admit it on the board! :)
gogonuts [5d\]: dont forget that this is labled the shodan challenge
gogonuts [5d\]: the level of play is pretty high
klausP [4d\]: I dont like what b is doing here
klausP [4d\]: but for a shodan challenge you are right
]
;B[pr]C[gogonuts [5d\]: b is a really strong 2d
MXHero [3d\]: oh yeah, b is good
]
;W[in]C[MXHero [3d\]: i just want him to play r12 so badly :)
]
;B[jn]
;W[ko]C[gogonuts [5d\]: atari too early imo
]
;B[ho]C[MXHero [3d\]: r11 now?
]
;W[jm]
;B[qh]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: nice ladder breaker
gogonuts [5d\]: k7 is great shape, but making r12 a ladder breaker is questionable
gogonuts [5d\]: r11 was a good suggestion
]
;W[qg]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: q12
]
;B[ph]C[BGAmatches [-\]: MFoG gives itself 62%
gogonuts [5d\]: p14 and L6 miai
klausP [4d\]: nice to know
MXHero [3d\]: that's interesting
gogonuts [5d\]: w was ahead a few moves ago
klausP [4d\]: 62% is a lot
EpicPhail [2k\]: F6 looks nice for w
BGAmatches [-\]: B has used 32 minutes, W 22
gogonuts [5d\]: this looks okay for b again
Sandmann [5d\]: k14 now
]
;W[og]C[klausP [4d\]: b4 is a big point to be take in account soon
gogonuts [5d\]: k6 can move, so it should
gogonuts [5d\]: L15 is now a little thin, m15 would have been safer
gogonuts [5d\]: but b doesnt have all day
EpicPhail [2k\]: d9 can be rescued?
MXHero [3d\]: yeah l15 made me nervous when it was played
gogonuts [5d\]: resueing d9 is a long range hope
gogonuts [5d\]: the kind of hope that some almost never becomes reality :-)
]
;B[kn]C[klausP [4d\]: hm
gogonuts [5d\]: but moving k6 gives d9 more meaning
yoyoma [1k?\]: I was hoping to see the relentless bloodlust of Zen  :(
yoyoma [1k?\]: hehe
]
;W[ln]
;B[km]C[Victim [4d\]: then the name zen isnt really appropriate
Sandmann [5d\]: furikawari m17 for l3
yoyoma [1k?\]: It's to trick unsuspecting humans 
gogonuts [5d\]: just looking at the position, this could easily be human vs human
gogonuts [5d\]: m6 was depressing, wasnt it
MXHero [3d\]: yes :(
]
;W[hm]C[gogonuts [5d\]: some half baked squeeze would have been better, i guess
underplay [-\]: w plans to kill it all
underplay [-\]: mwahaha
Victim [4d\]: i like this play more than the sqeeze, that would have made b too think against g11
Victim [4d\]: thick
gogonuts [5d\]: attach at g7?
MXHero [3d\]: i liked w l6 instead of p13 hehe, moves the problem elsewhere
klausP [4d\]: this is rather difficult for both sides
Sandmann [5d\]: only k8
]
;B[gm]C[klausP [4d\]: I think that protecting Q12 with Q9 gave b a lead
yoyoma [1k?\]: gogo you are aiming at D9?  I'm more concerned about the center groups
klausP [4d\]: even if it is a halfbaked move
yoyoma [1k?\]: H13/Q12/L7 all weakish?
glimz [3d\]: bots are much weaker rankwise to ppl who are used to play bots
gogonuts [5d\]: im in bargaining mode :-)
EpicPhail [2k\]: m7 +n6 are also very big
gogonuts [5d\]: g7 feels like a vital point to me
]
;W[gl]C[gogonuts [5d\]: f7, not bad
gogonuts [5d\]: not h6 pls
]
;B[fm]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: critical moment of the game
gogonuts [5d\]: if this goes badly for b i am to blame :-)
BGAmatches [-\]: B has used 37 mins,W 26
gogonuts [5d\]: thx
MXHero [3d\]: w k8 now?
EpicPhail [2k\]: m7 so big
]
;W[kl]
;B[lm]C[gogonuts [5d\]: w less than happy
gogonuts [5d\]: rats, still no ladder :-)
MXHero [3d\]: haha
EpicPhail [2k\]: timesuji
klausP [4d\]: yay, blaming gogo would be fun - but b is fine here I think
]
;W[jr]
;B[ir]C[MXHero [3d\]: b4 is becoming very important
EpicPhail [2k\]: j8 seems vital
]
;W[ll]
;B[mm]C[gogonuts [5d\]: w building a measly mini center?
MXHero [3d\]: well this does prepare for a cut at k14 or something
]
;W[mn]C[gogonuts [5d\]: the w percentages must be coming down
GoGnom [5d?\]: why so keen on k14?
gogonuts [5d\]: begging above, begging below
MXHero [3d\]: i'm not, but i'd rather think of that as the goal than a center moyo :)
BGAmatches [-\]: B has used 38 mins, W 29
EpicPhail [2k\]: n8
GoGnom [5d?\]: i think k14 too agressive
gogonuts [5d\]: o7
MXHero [3d\]: i agree
]
;B[ml]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: k8 to fix the shape?
]
;W[mk]C[gogonuts [5d\]: i dont like n8
gogonuts [5d\]: b wanted to add pressure on ws center
glimz [3d\]: i also thought it's bad but didn't come up with anything else.. what would be better?
]
;B[nk]C[gogonuts [5d\]: but its the other way around
gogonuts [5d\]: simply o7
MXHero [3d\]: just o7 did seem much more stable, yeah
]
;W[lj]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: the result looks good for b - b gets sente while w has to fix his shape
glimz [3d\]: B in need of fixing
MXHero [3d\]: b does not have sente
]
;B[nj]C[gogonuts [5d\]: m10 is dubious to me
Sandmann [5d\]: k14 finally
GoGnom [5d?\]: yes
BGAmatches [-\]: B has used 44 mins, W 30
Sandmann [5d\]: very hot spot
MXHero [3d\]: b needs to protect again, but w does too; maybe it's ok
gogonuts [5d\]: o10 is a nice move to get
gogonuts [5d\]: but i think w should have played o10 himself
]
;W[id]C[gogonuts [5d\]: o14
gogonuts [5d\]: better than trying to connect
EpicPhail [2k\]: L18 yose first?
gogonuts [5d\]: too hot at the top
gogonuts [5d\]: 2 potential weak b groups
EpicPhail [2k\]: crude F16 helps fixing his group?
gogonuts [5d\]: w can answer at g15 now
]
;B[nr]C[gogonuts [5d\]: yikes
gogonuts [5d\]: w m2 unwelcome
GoGnom [5d?\]: bot might just not realize importance of top
glimz [3d\]: j16 wasn't that bad a bot move... hard to find a good reply
gogonuts [5d\]: i like o14
gogonuts [5d\]: has s13 next
]
;W[ob]C[gogonuts [5d\]: too boring
gogonuts [5d\]: o18 good for b
Dcugel [6d\]: not n2?
EpicPhail [2k\]: bot in yose mode
BGAmatches [-\]: the game is paused now, John has gone for a coffee
gogonuts [5d\]: thx
gogonuts [5d\]: toilett too?
EpicPhail [2k\]: paused means what exactly?
glimz [3d\]: maybe he has computer in the toilet ^^
BGAmatches [-\]: John is back
EpicPhail [2k\]: the bot can calculate bot the clock is stopped?
]
;B[nb]C[gogonuts [5d\]: looks like its a game between gentlemen
MXHero [3d\]: oh coffee was nearby!
BGAmatches [-\]: no, the bot has no idea that he went for coffee
gogonuts [5d\]: not playing q18 would be very bot-like :-)
]
;W[if]C[glimz [3d\]: not playing q18 also pro-like
MXHero [3d\]: hehe
EpicPhail [2k\]: here we go
MXHero [3d\]: well the top is strong now so just save the left
gogonuts [5d\]: p18 for o18 is a very poor exchange
gogonuts [5d\]: because b now has q18 at need
gogonuts [5d\]: but somehow w stumbled into the fact that b has 2 weak groups :-)
glimz [3d\]: by the looks of it.. W might get q18 in sente
MXHero [3d\]: seems like b stumbled into that fact as well :)
gogonuts [5d\]: try local measures first
gogonuts [5d\]: c14
EpicPhail [2k\]: g12?
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
gogonuts [5d\]: maybe its the coffee that has his attention
glimz [3d\]: this game W looked good (maybe even better) in the very beginning. then B seemed to turn everything around... and now W might manage a good comeback
MXHero [3d\]: isn't n4 killable?
gogonuts [5d\]: what if?
gogonuts [5d\]: and not sure
EpicPhail [2k\]: e14 might be killable too
gogonuts [5d\]: o6 is w sente
]
;B[cf]C[MXHero [3d\]: well ok touche, it doesn't matter yet :)
gogonuts [5d\]: found c14
Swifft [3d\]: n3 looks nice
]
;W[dg]C[gogonuts [5d\]: o2 is just the kind of move that gets humans in trouble against bots
EpicPhail [2k\]: b lacks shape?
MXHero [3d\]: o2 is the kind of move that gets humans in trouble against other humans! hehe
glimz [3d\]: n3 results ko i think
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
gogonuts [5d\]: e13 a must
EpicPhail [2k\]: e13 b14 and there is no shape left
klausP [4d\]: no
gogonuts [5d\]: the top right group is almost off the hook because of p18
klausP [4d\]: b13 possible
gogonuts [5d\]: b13 for b14 doesnt help
]
;B[bf]C[MXHero [3d\]: oh noo
BGAmatches [-\]: B has 55 minutes left (of 110), W has 75
gogonuts [5d\]: too expensive for my taste
klausP [4d\]: b getting into trouble
MXHero [3d\]: b got spooked
]
;W[eg]C[gogonuts [5d\]: was in trouble already
gogonuts [5d\]: but i dont think this helped
gogonuts [5d\]: only cost points
gogonuts [5d\]: payday
EpicPhail [2k\]: b18 looks alive
gogonuts [5d\]: sad
livingdead [4d\]: is this game 1?
gogonuts [5d\]: yes
BGAmatches [-\]: 2
glimz [3d\]: it's game 2
gogonuts [5d\]: 2
EpicPhail [2k\]: game 2
gogonuts [5d\]: 2 2 2 2
MXHero [3d\]: who won the first?
BGAmatches [-\]: John won game 1
MXHero [3d\]: or, what entity won the first? :P ok thanks
Swifft [3d\]: John won one
EpicPhail [2k\]: BGA any info on the %
]
;B[mq]C[klausP [4d\]: wow
yoyoma [1k?\]: woah
MXHero [3d\]: wow trade actually looks good now, after that mistake
gogonuts [5d\]: no
MXHero [3d\]: still no?
yoyoma [1k?\]: the black group is much bigger
gogonuts [5d\]: w killing the top is bigger and more certain
glimz [3d\]: hmm maybe no ko, just dead?
]
;W[bc]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: game over
iTengen [2k\]: what is the general idea of this matchup? does the computer have a chance?
]
;B[bd]C[MXHero [3d\]: tengen, watch what is happening :)
klausP [4d\]: oh
Sandmann [5d\]: what's the bet in this match?
glimz [3d\]: it's a $1K bet
gogonuts [5d\]: this match was set up 10 years ago
MXHero [3d\]: oh really?
Sandmann [5d\]: and how are the settings?
gogonuts [5d\]: they were speculating on the future
livingdead [4d\]: does john have a kgs rating?  they say he's 2d is that is europe or
gogonuts [5d\]: it turned out to be a close call, which is fortunate for us kibitzes
glimz [3d\]: John was strong European 2d as per his 2005 EGD entry
BGAmatches [-\]: B has 51 minutes left, W has 73
Sandmann [5d\]: is it a best of x match?
yoyoma [1k?\]: Info here:  http://dcook.org/gobet/index.html
glimz [3d\]: maybe he got stronger meanwhile
]
;W[ba]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: i think w won this game
BGAmatches [-\]: best of 7
yoyoma [1k?\]: There is a poll there, 62% John 20% computer  17% close
Sandmann [5d\]: awesome
EpicPhail [2k\]: now b needs magic
yoyoma [1k?\]: Oh dcook.org also had a short recap of the games
yoyoma [1k?\]: nice
gogonuts [5d\]: black magic :-)
livingdead [4d\]: i think its still close.  depends what happens in the center, and b4 is huge too
livingdead [4d\]: but probably w a bit ahead
]
;B[fd]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: can b live??
gogonuts [5d\]: turning point, move in at L13 or try to struggle?
gogonuts [5d\]: struggle :-)
EpicPhail [2k\]: he chose my crude move
gogonuts [5d\]: lets see if mf plays my crude reply :-)
klausP [4d\]: L13 is a way to stay in a close game
MXHero [3d\]: if the game is close, the bot wins by endgame i'd guess
gogonuts [5d\]: f15 also possible
]
;W[fe]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: b just dead
gogonuts [5d\]: fits best into the current position
klausP [4d\]: the bots are not so good at live and death, but I thik mfog will kill here
]
;B[ff]C[Sandmann [5d\]: i think 50/50
gogonuts [5d\]: :-)
EpicPhail [2k\]: i bet he kills
MXHero [3d\]: yeah, seki :)
]
;W[gf]C[gogonuts [5d\]: q18, hope the bottom is dead and see what w play in the center
gogonuts [5d\]: but w L13 is huge
EpicPhail [2k\]: why not L18 first?
MXHero [3d\]: because it's not sente
]
;B[co]C[gogonuts [5d\]: those stones have to be dead as they stand, or b lost
gogonuts [5d\]: no way
livingdead [4d\]: question: does the computer think while the human is playing?
EpicPhail [2k\]: yes, why not
gogonuts [5d\]: c5 is much smaller than q18
Swifft [3d\]: no thinking
BGAmatches [-\]: does it "ponder"? - good question
BGAmatches [-\]: I suspect not
tigro [4d\]: whatever in two year he will have a processor two times quicker
]
;W[bo]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: moore´s law will not continue forever
livingdead [4d\]: seems like that would be a big help to write software that can run its algorithm on oppponents time too
Swifft [3d\]: two times quicker, doesn't mean two times better
EpicPhail [2k\]: but maybe with quantum comps there will be a jump
gogonuts [5d\]: play its moves when its the opponents turn :-)
klausP [4d\]: In think L13 is important for b to stay in the game
livingdead [4d\]: me too
]
;B[bp]C[MXHero [3d\]: calling quantum computers a jump is an understatement :)
gogonuts [5d\]: c5 didnt make getting to L13 easier
glimz [3d\]: from the original email: "you may run any program on any hardware you can bring to the playing site. (i realize this will be a 64Gb, 4Ghz machine or some such:) "
klausP [4d\]: the exchanges at f16 and f14 are a minus for black
glimz [3d\]: imagine how these numbers looked in 1997
iTengen [2k\]: lol
glimz [3d\]: :D
gogonuts [5d\]: sticks and stones can break my bones, but mips will never hurt me
BGAmatches [-\]: B has 45 mins left, W has 109
]
;W[qb]C[klausP [4d\]: mips?
]
;B[oa]C[livingdead [4d\]: L13!!!
glimz [3d\]: instructions per sec
gogonuts [5d\]: mf loves that stupid hanging connection
fotland [?\]: there is a memory problem preventing MF from using all of its time
gogonuts [5d\]: in this case q18 was obviously better
glimz [3d\]: machine has too little memory, david?
MXHero [3d\]: unless w wants ko now! lol
fotland [?\]: there is a playout bug that makes it like these bad hanging connections
]
;W[ig]C[gogonuts [5d\]: lol
klausP [4d\]: oh
livingdead [4d\]: i fear mf will throw this one away
klausP [4d\]: mfog mus be rather optimistik
gogonuts [5d\]: closing shop it seems
klausP [4d\]: L18
klausP [4d\]: some good endgame may save b
klausP [4d\]: are the bots good at engame or bad?
BGAmatches [-\]: good imho
livingdead [4d\]: i saw zen19 play the other day and it lost a TON of points in the endgame
glimz [3d\]: good, as the vars are fewer
MXHero [3d\]: frighteningly good
MXHero [3d\]: oh really? weird
]
;B[dn]C[gogonuts [5d\]: J13 is bot-ish for "i've won"
livingdead [4d\]: that's tru
Swifft [3d\]: depends , if they judge everything right, very good
klausP [4d\]: well, loosing tons of points and winning by 0,5 or loosing tons of points and loosing the game?
livingdead [4d\]: lost the game.  it was against a 3d i think
BGAmatches [-\]: they give away tons of points in the endgame when they know it doesn't affect the result
klausP [4d\]: go Tromp!!!
]
;W[kb]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: L18 double senteish
]
;B[pb]C[gogonuts [5d\]: does tromp mean trumps in dutch?
]
;W[lb]C[gogonuts [5d\]: p18 capture is keeping bs hope alive
EpicPhail [2k\]: time?
]
;B[qe]C[BGAmatches [-\]: B has 41 mins, W has 65
gogonuts [5d\]: its strange, but the position looks a lot more bloodthirsty than how the game progressed
klausP [4d\]: oh
]
;W[re]C[tigro [4d\]: thers a ko about m6 no? with o6 p7 n2?
EpicPhail [2k\]: all in?
MXHero [3d\]: r15 was a big aji keshi move
gogonuts [5d\]: as long as its big :-)
MXHero [3d\]: :)))
MXHero [3d\]: and sente too! hehe
moi [2d\]: who can talk ? i wonder (sorry it's not about the game)
EpicPhail [2k\]: who has counted?
]
;B[pe]
;W[rf]C[tigro [4d\]: o6  p7 n2 is ko for white 
glimz [3d\]: is it?
MXHero [3d\]: hmm o6 p7 n2 m3?
EpicPhail [2k\]: this has backfired s12 needs fixing?
klausP [4d\]: but S14 is good for s12
tigro [4d\]: m2
MXHero [3d\]: then capture
tigro [4d\]: m4
BGAmatches [-\]: B has 38 minutes left, W has 63
EpicPhail [2k\]: 38 minutes are too less time
MXHero [3d\]: connect
tigro [4d\]: n1
MXHero [3d\]: doesn't appear to be an eye on the bottom
MXHero [3d\]: l1 in response
klausP [4d\]: can b make something out of the b7 aji?
horstmaria [3d\]: n2 m3
]
;B[pg]C[papohasu [1d\]: why playing something around N2? white looks already dead
]
;W[qf]C[MXHero [3d\]: well it's very close to alive on the bottom
EpicPhail [2k\]: MFOG %?
]
;B[of]
;W[rh]C[Sandmann [5d\]: i wonder if mfog is an anagramm
glimz [3d\]: the acronym?
GoGnom [5d?\]: omfg^^
]
;B[ri]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: ko
]
;W[nf]C[klausP [4d\]: ko is still a problem for bots
]
;B[oe]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: zen played a long ko very nicely
horstmaria [3d\]: bad atari
turk [6d\]: w has r11 cut
horstmaria [3d\]: b has s17
turk [6d\]: both r15 and s11 are bad moves
turk [6d\]: but b may actually gain from them...
]
;W[mc]C[turk [6d\]: o14 is very bad for w
EpicPhail [2k\]: bot goes for the kill
glimz [3d\]: why is o14 bad for W?
turk [6d\]: o13 captures
glimz [3d\]: what aji does it keshi?
livingdead [4d\]: 014 makes s17 work
MXHero [3d\]: becuse now s17 works
MXHero [3d\]: because*
klausP [4d\]: cause Q16 atari might be needed
BGAmatches [-\]: MFoG thinks 68%
turk [6d\]: w may lose the cut at r11
goIngo [-\]: My ManyFaces gives 72 % for White here
papohasu [1d\]: black is gonna need o13 at some point
EpicPhail [2k\]: turk who leads now?
]
;B[sh]C[turk [6d\]: hard to say
turk [6d\]: seems like both tried to lose :-)
MXHero [3d\]: :))
glimz [3d\]: b seems to have had greater success
BGAmatches [-\]: B has 33 minutes left, W has 59
BGAmatches [-\]: they each started with 110
MXHero [3d\]: is it absolute time?
BGAmatches [-\]: yes
gogonuts [5d\]: s17 is bs ray of hope
turk [6d\]: if w cuts at r11 with his o14, the game was oer
turk [6d\]: over
EpicPhail [2k\]: 33 minutes are just not enough time for this position and some 50++ moves to play
]
;W[rg]C[klausP [4d\]: oh
klausP [4d\]: can b kill now?
EpicPhail [2k\]: s17?
goIngo [-\]: strange s13
livingdead [4d\]: w aiming to cut i think
goIngo [-\]: my manyfaces does not like it
MXHero [3d\]: wait, did r11 work?
turk [6d\]: yes
GoGnom [5d?\]: how? not just s10?
turk [6d\]: s10, r10
livingdead [4d\]: r11 totally works.  look at 08 and then p8 - both sente
turk [6d\]: note the cut at o8
livingdead [4d\]: word
EpicPhail [2k\]: p11?
livingdead [4d\]: i think the correct sequence here is something like bQ10, wS17, bO13
gogonuts [5d\]: uneviably difficult position in a sudden death match
MXHero [3d\]: maybe just p12 for b now?
MXHero [3d\]: if r11 is a problem?
igoyametai [4d\]: s17 kills imo
turk [6d\]: trade, not kill outright
]
;B[oi]C[goIngo [-\]: after Black s17 Many Faces saw 64 % for White
BGAmatches [-\]: B has 29 mins, W has 35
goIngo [-\]: Now White at 71 % again
EpicPhail [2k\]: hot blitz phase
goIngo [-\]: candidate o12
]
;W[ng]C[klausP [4d\]: hm
livingdead [4d\]: whoa!
klausP [4d\]: tough choice
goIngo [-\]: o13 with same %
klausP [4d\]: b nust kill now
Werfeus [4d\]: uiotuj9pityh767yuj4u74yyu'rtu7y* RTNMJ
turk [6d\]: now b should win, but...
papohasu [1d\]: s18?
EpicPhail [2k\]: huge center
livingdead [4d\]: s17 for the win!!! right/
igoyametai [4d\]: s17 s18 r17 t17 q16 s16 q17 t13 r19 s10 r11 t11 r9 
turk [6d\]: right
goIngo [-\]: ManyFaces does not see his group in danger
klausP [4d\]: Werfeus, are U ok?
goIngo [-\]: or "her" group
gogonuts [5d\]: mf says s17 is humbug :-)
turk [6d\]: but the wonderful world of nidans is full of surprises
klausP [4d\]: lol
EpicPhail [2k\]: turk s17 kills?
glimz [3d\]: the nidans say ni
turk [6d\]: yes, eric
klausP [4d\]: how to kill turc?
turk [6d\]: s17
EpicPhail [2k\]: open a demo ^^
klausP [4d\]: s18
goIngo [-\]: manyface has one problem in t inming routine
turk [6d\]: r17
klausP [4d\]: s16
Werfeus [4d\]: sudden expression of what i think of lag. about the same as d10 in this game.
goIngo [-\]: when it is down to 5 min it starts superblitz
turk [6d\]: take
klausP [4d\]: t17
horstmaria [3d\]: r17 t17 q16 s16 
turk [6d\]: connect
horstmaria [3d\]: q17 1 eye
]
;B[rb]C[papohasu [1d\]: there
klausP [4d\]: r18
papohasu [1d\]: s18
gogonuts [5d\]: hm
MXHero [3d\]: oh nooo
gogonuts [5d\]: s17 worked fine imo
turk [6d\]: now big ko ^^
papohasu [1d\]: doesn't it kill by ko?
papohasu [1d\]: ok
gogonuts [5d\]: only 1 eye if w squeezed
igoyametai [4d\]: this is ko
MXHero [3d\]: yeah s17 totally worked :(
goIngo [-\]: white % falling now
turk [6d\]: see what i mean aobut the world of nidan ^^
goIngo [-\]: from 70 to 65
BGAmatches [-\]: B 27 mins, W 57
goIngo [-\]: 64
]
;W[rc]
;B[qa]C[livingdead [4d\]: if w connect might he win the race / seki?
bleen [8k\]: who won
LazyDragon [3k\]: black of course
bleen [8k\]: nice
hugifrb [20k?\]: 2:0 for human?
bleen [8k\]: yes
]
;W[qc]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: both have some reasonable ko threats
gogonuts [5d\]: straight kill was too boring :-)
gogonuts [5d\]: palcement
gogonuts [5d\]: almost
goIngo [-\]: expectiong t16
goIngo [-\]: by MnayF
livingdead [4d\]: b has to play t16, but then w s19 and t17 are sente, and then the race.....
EpicPhail [2k\]: I dont want to be the human with this little time here right now
gogonuts [5d\]: and it should :-)
turk [6d\]: w has s10 to extend liberty
gogonuts [5d\]: but b might lose
igoyametai [4d\]: t17 for ko
turk [6d\]: but it's a big if that MF would see it
gogonuts [5d\]: hard to approach
papohasu [1d\]: hard ko for clack t17
klausP [4d\]: t16 just kills
papohasu [1d\]: black*
gogonuts [5d\]: s17 would really have been preferable :-)
goIngo [-\]: mf sees line t16 wt17
underplay [-\]: b cant win race, n16 now perhaps
turk [6d\]: t16, s19
Werfeus [4d\]: t16 and b dies
livingdead [4d\]: i think bt16 loses for b.  he has to play ko
BGAmatches [-\]: B has 25 minutes, W has 56
klausP [4d\]: yes, t116 kill black
goIngo [-\]: t16 wt17  s19 n11
goIngo [-\]: manyfaces main line
livingdead [4d\]: no w throw in at s19 first
klausP [4d\]: this IS the shodan challenge after all
EpicPhail [2k\]: what about t17 now?
livingdead [4d\]: i think b has to play t17
turk [6d\]: both trying to be shodan?
klausP [4d\]: jup
goIngo [-\]: after Black t17  74% for white
klausP [4d\]: :)
goIngo [-\]: t17  wt16
turk [6d\]: now i understand their play
klausP [4d\]: to bad b missed s17
igoyametai [4d\]: n18 for life
goIngo [-\]: bkacj running into time trouble
goIngo [-\]: black
gogonuts [5d\]: yes, try n16
igoyametai [4d\]: n18 n16 o17 n19 n15 
turk [6d\]: n18 lives, but loses the game
EpicPhail [2k\]: too less time
]
;B[me]C[turk [6d\]: unless w tries to kill...
goIngo [-\]: mf 68 % for white
goIngo [-\]: white m13 ?!
BGAmatches [-\]: B has 22 minutes left, W has 55
EpicPhail [2k\]: w+t
]
;W[mh]C[MXHero [3d\]: now kill
goIngo [-\]: mf expects n18 here
goIngo [-\]: my manyf
EpicPhail [2k\]: i would play n16 as b
gogonuts [5d\]: the smell of seki is in the air
]
;B[mb]C[goIngo [-\]: my monitor smells neutral ;-)
goIngo [-\]: even from 1 cm distance
]
;W[ld]C[underplay [-\]: KILL!
goIngo [-\]: with 63 % for white
MXHero [3d\]: ok now the kill has to be possible, isn't it?
klausP [4d\]: mfoG seems unsuspicious
underplay [-\]: kill easy now
goIngo [-\]: mf expecting t16 now with 40% for black
WeshCousin [4d?\]: O17
]
;B[md]C[underplay [-\]: b very conservative
gogonuts [5d\]: i liked o17 better too
igoyametai [4d\]: s19 t19 t17 
goIngo [-\]: now white s19 ?!
MXHero [3d\]: yeah the kill totally works now :(
BGAmatches [-\]: B has 20 mins, W 53
]
;W[ra]C[underplay [-\]: s19 not good, negative points
]
;B[sa]C[klausP [4d\]: maybe b is thinking, that if the bot does not protect, it will never smell the kill
MXHero [3d\]: it removes a b eye
goIngo [-\]: L17 for white ?!
goIngo [-\]: with 63 %
underplay [-\]: no it doesnt?
underplay [-\]: how to get eye?
gogonuts [5d\]: L17?
goIngo [-\]: manyf proposal
MXHero [3d\]: if w just t17, b s19 is sente against the group, andthen b can t18
]
;W[ma]C[klausP [4d\]: oh
gogonuts [5d\]: wow
underplay [-\]: but t16 was the move
klausP [4d\]: t16 kill now
gogonuts [5d\]: o17
goIngo [-\]: t16 40% for black
klausP [4d\]: bt16 w t17 b Q16
gogonuts [5d\]: t16 is gote
MXHero [3d\]: underplay, then it's a ko
gogonuts [5d\]: so first o17
]
;B[sd]C[underplay [-\]: there is no ko?
goIngo [-\]: black times?
gogonuts [5d\]: greed
klausP [4d\]: remember: shodan challenge
gogonuts [5d\]: o17 was alive
goIngo [-\]: t17  40% white
igoyametai [4d\]: W gets seki at best
BGAmatches [-\]: Tromp: "something's going to die, and that'll be it.  I don't know what"
]
;W[se]C[MXHero [3d\]: wise words :)
]
;B[sg]C[gogonuts [5d\]: if w gets L17 and seki, then t16 was useless
horstmaria [3d\]: thats easy 
gogonuts [5d\]: oops
igoyametai [4d\]: abort abort :)
goIngo [-\]: mf smells something now,  down to 57 %
turk [6d\]: funny how the game turned
goIngo [-\]: 56
klausP [4d\]: 57% lol
gogonuts [5d\]: t15 wasnt salvation
turk [6d\]: or it is all to be expected...
goIngo [-\]: down from 62
goIngo [-\]: 55 %
klausP [4d\]: captain, we are sinking!
]
;W[iq]
;B[ip]C[goIngo [-\]: L17 proposed by my mf
WeshCousin [4d?\]: w+time
papohasu [1d\]: with which percentage does your many faces resign?
glimz [3d\]: there is enough water for all passengers
GoGnom [5d?\]: waht are you sinking about?
igoyametai [4d\]: W s10 was too deep in the search tree
goIngo [-\]: j3 horizon effect
gogonuts [5d\]: J3 is a very good sign for humanity :-)
goIngo [-\]: yes
MXHero [3d\]: what is the horizon effect?
goIngo [-\]: thumbs up for john
goIngo [-\]: going into side battles
]
;W[is]C[goIngo [-\]: when you dont see good continuation
klausP [4d\]: if I died there, I must be able to live somwhere alse, grm
klausP [4d\]: like a human
tigro [4d\]: it would have been hard witht17 instead t15
klausP [4d\]: could be me
]
;B[hr]C[glimz [3d\]: bots don't think tha way ^^
goIngo [-\]: they do in some sense
iTengen [2k\]: isn't that dead?
igoyametai [4d\]: having a computer beting humans at 19x19 GO would be actually great
glimz [3d\]: only a question of time
goIngo [-\]: down to 54%
klausP [4d\]: bots still dont "think", the ponder, as mentioned earlier
BGAmatches [-\]: B has 19 mins, W has 48
MXHero [3d\]: pondering is nice too :)
goIngo [-\]: bots do not pardon they pondon ;-)
]
;W[le]C[klausP [4d\]: 19 mins is not a lot to finish the game
goIngo [-\]: 51 % for black now
goIngo [-\]: no good sign for bot team
]
;B[nc]C[MXHero [3d\]: b6 is getting very big
goIngo [-\]: white m14 now ?
gogonuts [5d\]: there is one good sign for the bot: johns time
goIngo [-\]: right
EpicPhail [2k\]: b just needs to play honte now
BGAmatches [-\]: he knows  :)
]
;W[kd]C[klausP [4d\]: engame should be easy now
]
;B[ne]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: o15 enoug
EpicPhail [2k\]: yes
livingdead [4d\]: that's game
goIngo [-\]: black playing safely now
goIngo [-\]: 48 % for white
goIngo [-\]: accordibng to mf
EpicPhail [2k\]: next move is o4
livingdead [4d\]: n2?
klausP [4d\]: if b adds a move round o4, bot will maybe res
]
;W[np]C[moi [2d\]: M3?
MXHero [3d\]: yeah
gogonuts [5d\]: good call
goIngo [-\]: o7 now expected
goIngo [-\]: by mf
snowmen [3d\]: tricky
BGAmatches [-\]: B has 17 mins, W 45
]
;B[lq]C[gogonuts [5d\]: m3
gogonuts [5d\]: simple
sum [5d\]: after this kill, B only needs 2 min thinking time to win
EpicPhail [2k\]: now 2 or 3 rocksolid moves and the game is unlosable
]
;W[lr]
;B[mr]C[goIngo [-\]: mf % now in free fall, below 46%
]
;W[qi]
;B[qj]C[WeshCousin [4d?\]: (is there like a video broadcast ?)
BGAmatches [-\]: no
WeshCousin [4d?\]: (ok)
MXHero [3d\]: b6 is so big
igoyametai [4d\]: b7 better
MXHero [3d\]: b6 for w
]
;W[sj]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: no need for big moves
cody101 [3d\]: lol whtie pro tesuji
sum [5d\]: on 19x19, MF playing stronger than MC programs
]
;B[si]C[goIngo [-\]: sorry, mf is mc-based
sum [5d\]: pure MC programs
gogonuts [5d\]: the strong programs arent "pure"
goIngo [-\]: there are no pure mc-bots
igoyametai [4d\]: MC programs work well only on short depth games
EpicPhail [2k\]: time?
]
;W[pj]
;B[pi]C[BGAmatches [-\]: B 16, W 41
BGAmatches [-\]: minutes left, that is#
]
;W[sc]C[goIngo [-\]: 46% white
]
;B[pa]
;W[sb]
;B[ra]C[igoyametai [4d\]: 49% probability of winning?
gogonuts [5d\]: a lot more than expected
goIngo [-\]: now 523% for white
goIngo [-\]: 52 %
gogonuts [5d\]: playout wins
EpicPhail [2k\]: ok 16min enough for 100 easy moves
papohasu [1d\]: considering every dumb move john could do
]
;W[hq]C[igoyametai [4d\]: winning by time is possible still :)
]
;B[gq]C[gogonuts [5d\]: 523%, thats impressive
goIngo [-\]: typo
gogonuts [5d\]: sure
papohasu [1d\]: but if it could consider the really possible moves it would be under 20%
papohasu [1d\]: ^^
]
;W[hs]C[goIngo [-\]: yes, the best moments are over
]
;B[hp]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: w fishing in the dark
goIngo [-\]: falling to 43 %
goIngo [-\]: for white
gogonuts [5d\]: mf thinks its doing ok, but its playing nothing but kothreats?
ben0 [6d\]: k8....
BGAmatches [-\]: B 16 mins left, W 37
cody101 [3d\]: only the dark has fishes
sum [5d\]: after quite some middle game adventures, B found impressive exchange and kill strategy, wonder if he did so expecting W to weak at it
gogonuts [5d\]: it was giving itself a 1% chance per ko threat :-)
BGAmatches [-\]: so weak?
]
;W[nm]
;B[nl]C[goIngo [-\]: 38 %
underplay [-\]: ouch
goIngo [-\]: and falling
igoyametai [4d\]: at least W does not play yose
gogonuts [5d\]: subtract 1% for every correcly answered ko threat :-)
sum [5d\]: yes, weak (compared to B): B turned unsecure position into safe win pos
LocoRon [1d?\]: It's in ddk mode now.  Play inane moves hoping for mistakes. :(
]
;W[om]C[igoyametai [4d\]: if (!winning) avoidYose();
livingdead [4d\]: when is game 3
underplay [-\]: p6
gogonuts [5d\]: tomorrow at10?
]
;B[pm]C[yoyoma [1k?\]: Game 3 schedule:  See BGAmatches info
goIngo [-\]: 11h germnan time
BGAmatches [-\]: game 3 10:00 tomorrow (GMT)
yoyoma [1k?\]: If you look at the info, you don't have to do timezone math  :)
glimz [3d\]: function resign(): return false //does not help us :)
gogonuts [5d\]: q7: subtract one more percent :-)
igoyametai [4d\]: I am curios if MFG considers o4 alive
sum [5d\]: written in C?
]
;W[dm]C[glimz [3d\]: pseudocode
sum [5d\]: i mean MF
]
;B[em]C[MXHero [3d\]: b6 b6!
EpicPhail [2k\]: glimz [3d\]: function resign(): return false //does not help us :)            xDDDD
igoyametai [4d\]: better wait for b6 and ko 
goIngo [-\]: white stably 40- %
MXHero [3d\]: b6 is sente
]
;W[en]
;B[do]C[MXHero [3d\]: now it's not
igoyametai [4d\]: W should invent a ko and win by time
MXHero [3d\]: oh, it still is whoops
BGAmatches [-\]: B has 15 mins, W has 34
goIngo [-\]: 36 %
goIngo [-\]: 35
]
;W[bn]
;B[dl]C[igoyametai [4d\]: it seems MFG programmers did not investigate the psichology of winning a lost game :)
EpicPhail [2k\]: b3 aji?
goIngo [-\]: 33%
gogonuts [5d\]: no
goIngo [-\]: 32
gogonuts [5d\]: only aji is a4 and b cant block
]
;W[oo]
;B[on]C[igoyametai [4d\]: p6 with 100%
gogonuts [5d\]: p5 wasnt even sente
goIngo [-\]: 29 %
goIngo [-\]: 28
sum [5d\]: when will resign? at 0.0001%?
]
;W[nn]C[gogonuts [5d\]: lol
EpicPhail [2k\]: glimz [3d\]: function resign(): return false //does not help us :)
underplay [-\]: minus 30%
]
;B[cm]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: m4
]
;W[po]
;B[qo]C[goIngo [-\]: back to 36 %
]
;W[pl]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: m4!!!!
goIngo [-\]: back to 39 %
glimz [3d\]: I wonder what the bot imagines it can kill/save
gogonuts [5d\]: s8
goIngo [-\]: times ?
igoyametai [4d\]: better play till the end and count - at any time there is a positive probability that the game ends due to unexpected events (alien attack etc.) :)
BGAmatches [-\]: B has 13 mins, W has 31
goIngo [-\]: mf expects r8
]
;B[qk]C[gogonuts [5d\]: s8 looks safer
goIngo [-\]: 48 % !?
MXHero [3d\]: the aliens will only attack if MFoG is about to win, since that is proof that our technology is getting too powerful :)
goIngo [-\]: for white
gogonuts [5d\]: lol, live seperately
gogonuts [5d\]: seems to also work
]
;W[ql]C[underplay [-\]: everything works for b
igoyametai [4d\]: s7 99%
horstmaria [3d\]: s14 has only 2 libs
underplay [-\]: as long as he keeps coffee intake up
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
]
;B[rm]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: play t14 and end it
goIngo [-\]: 43 % for w
]
;W[rl]C[gogonuts [5d\]: tricky now
]
;B[qm]C[cuthalion [1k\]: i think the human controller should pull the plug, imo
gogonuts [5d\]: w wont play p8
gogonuts [5d\]: but q9
MXHero [3d\]: it's interesting to see bot logic though
igoyametai [4d\]: still - MFG plays amazing for a bot
]
;W[ol]C[goIngo [-\]: back to downtown: 37 %
sum [5d\]: much better than some years ago
gogonuts [5d\]: crisis over
MXHero [3d\]: it's very fascinating that the bot can play stuff like this and -also- play 2d+ tesujis
glimz [3d\]: he should shut down the machine gently and pretend everything is OK. he still needs it tomorrow. then he can go out and scream.
BGAmatches [-\]: B has 12m, W has 29
gogonuts [5d\]: q9 pls
]
;B[pk]C[glimz [3d\]: is q9 even needed?
]
;W[sl]C[igoyametai [4d\]: q9 unecessary
EpicPhail [2k\]: s10
]
;B[lp]C[sum [5d\]: how many moves are for virtual pass-fight? 200?
EpicPhail [2k\]: destroy any hope
goIngo [-\]: 31 %
goIngo [-\]: for white
]
;W[lo]C[SqueezeIt [3d\]: will this guy play all 7 games?
ben0 [6d\]: 0% for white -___-
]
;B[rk]C[gogonuts [5d\]: lol
goIngo [-\]: match will end after 4-vs-x
klausP [4d\]: time?
]
;W[ok]
;B[oj]C[igoyametai [4d\]: 0.0000001% actually - tromp might resign without reason
BGAmatches [-\]: B has 11 mins, W 27m
goIngo [-\]: 24 % for w
SqueezeIt [3d\]: oh w wanna win by time
SqueezeIt [3d\]: 25% :D
]
;W[bm]
;B[dm]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: 11min = 66 moves
EpicPhail [2k\]: easy moves
igoyametai [4d\]: winning by time is a human strategy - should be forbidden to software
cuthalion [1k\]: w is correcting it's win % based on the fact that mr tromp didn't get a flu shot this year
gogonuts [5d\]: 25% chance of winning by time :-)
ben0 [6d\]: " oh, i missclicked on the resign button ! *
goIngo [-\]: 25% means almost lost - against other bot
]
;W[bl]
;B[cj]C[glimz [3d\]: tenuki now
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
]
;W[bi]C[goIngo [-\]: 21 %
iTengen [2k\]: hehe
]
;B[mf]C[gogonuts [5d\]: next n14
BGAmatches [-\]: B 10m, W 25m
sum [5d\]: j8 also nice
goIngo [-\]: gain over
horstmaria [3d\]: k8 is left
igoyametai [4d\]: B m11 looks OK
underplay [-\]: m11 fun too
SqueezeIt [3d\]: go w, go! put up a complicated fight
]
;W[ls]C[underplay [-\]: gote
igoyametai [4d\]: pas
gogonuts [5d\]: almost sente
]
;B[lf]C[glimz [3d\]: now is W's chance!
SqueezeIt [3d\]: made a ko threat
EpicPhail [2k\]: K1 !!!!!!
glimz [3d\]: play two moves in a row quickly!
LocoRon [1d?\]: This is becoming sad to watch.  Like a broken up Johnny 5.
]
;W[lg]
;B[kg]C[igoyametai [4d\]: life and death is the bane of all bots
]
;W[kh]
;B[je]
;W[gn]
;B[hn]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: darren should resign
MXHero [3d\]: i'd think they would be so good at l&d
igoyametai [4d\]: is not fair to ask a bot btro resign
underplay [-\]: time is short so fair to play on
]
;W[jg]C[underplay [-\]: although no mess possible :p
]
;B[ie]C[MXHero [3d\]: o.O
goIngo [-\]: back to 40 %
igoyametai [4d\]: B mistakes yay
gogonuts [5d\]: fairly expensive
underplay [-\]: spoke too soon
klausP [4d\]: w should bres
LocoRon [1d?\]: That was probably intentional.  He probably doesn't even care at this point.
]
;W[kf]C[klausP [4d\]: res
]
;B[jd]C[MXHero [3d\]: he should care
gogonuts [5d\]: hallucinbation
]
;W[kc]
;B[ic]C[SqueezeIt [3d\]: maybe bot doesn't see
underplay [-\]: 1,2 vs 1,2,3
glimz [3d\]: this b for b b/c he loses time
gogonuts [5d\]: b just wasting his good time
]
;W[gs]
;B[er]C[MXHero [3d\]: oh lord
SqueezeIt [3d\]: is it 8 minutes already?
]
;W[he]C[goIngo [-\]: 37 % for w
]
;B[ao]C[MXHero [3d\]: e2 was too automatic
LocoRon [1d?\]: I'd be pretty ticked off at this point.
goIngo [-\]: 43 %
]
;W[ib]
;B[im]C[sum [5d\]: ladders...
goIngo [-\]: 46 %
BGAmatches [-\]: B 10m, W 20m
]
;W[bg]
;B[jl]C[gogonuts [5d\]: lol?
EpicPhail [2k\]: over
goIngo [-\]: 49 %
goIngo [-\]: drama ?
]
;W[jj]C[igoyametai [4d\]: now yose needs more than 10 min  to finish
EpicPhail [2k\]: haha bot wants to win on time 49% winning chance to do so
]
;B[gk]C[sum [5d\]: W thinks l1 eye?
MXHero [3d\]: maybe w predicts b will play l1 :)
]
;W[fk]
;B[hl]C[goIngo [-\]: 52 % for w
gogonuts [5d\]: mayor w misscalculation
glimz [3d\]: b l1 fantastic tesuji :)
]
;W[fl]
;B[ij]C[goIngo [-\]: 48 now
EpicPhail [2k\]: B plz play L2
]
;W[jk]C[goIngo [-\]: 44 % for w
]
;B[ac]C[gogonuts [5d\]: 26% b loses on time + 26% b plays L1
EpicPhail [2k\]: I would not play the best moves now but the most hope destroying ones
glimz [3d\]: what is the exact meaning of this percentage indicator in mfog?
MXHero [3d\]: hahaha
]
;W[bb]
;B[ik]C[MXHero [3d\]: ohhh dang
gogonuts [5d\]: playout percentage
gogonuts [5d\]: not winningchance
]
;W[hi]
;B[ii]C[goIngo [-\]: right
MXHero [3d\]: are they mc playouts?
gogonuts [5d\]: yes
MXHero [3d\]: gotcha
]
;W[ji]
;B[ih]C[gogonuts [5d\]: so even in a terrible position you get 20%
MXHero [3d\]: yeah
]
;W[hh]
;B[gj]C[glimz [3d\]: i would like a mcplayout for breakfast
BGAmatches [-\]: w 10m B 16m
]
;W[mi]
;B[mj]
;W[sk]C[goIngo [-\]: falling below 40 now
]
;B[na]C[MXHero [3d\]: so is the general goal to play the move with the highest playout percentage? or are there other factors too?
gogonuts [5d\]: if your way ahead against a bot and it wont resign take out the stones you captured, that stabelizes the playouts
]
;W[sm]
;B[rn]
;W[sn]
;B[so]C[igoyametai [4d\]: the bot consider m5 alive
goIngo [-\]: 34 % w
]
;W[sp]
;B[ro]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: maybe someone should tell this advice to tromp
]
;W[cq]
;B[cp]C[MXHero [3d\]: hah, i guess that in many of the playouts b does indeed play l1
igoyametai [4d\]: tromp needs no advice :)
goIngo [-\]: resign sequence
]
;W[hj]
;B[hk]C[igoyametai [4d\]: W gote
EpicPhail [2k\]: play L2
igoyametai [4d\]: B g12 
goIngo [-\]: 32 %
]
;W[an]
;B[ap]C[SqueezeIt [3d\]: how much time left? :D
]
;W[kk]
;B[lk]C[yoyoma [1k?\]: 33% chance -- K1, L2 = black win   L1 = white win
MXHero [3d\]: yeah
]
;W[or]
;B[os]
;W[rd]
;B[ck]
;W[ak]
;B[bk]C[klausP [4d\]: this is sad
gogonuts [5d\]: a9, lol
BGAmatches [-\]: MFoG resigns
glimz [3d\]: a9 the same thing that causes hanging connections"?
cuthalion [1k\]: ty
EpicPhail [2k\]: congratz
igoyametai [4d\]: is not sad - W not human
klausP [4d\]: after all
underplay [-\]: congrats human!
glimz [3d\]: thx for relaying
gogonuts [5d\]: yes, thanks
MXHero [3d\]: thank you
EpicPhail [2k\]: with a better computer tomorrow w will put up a better fight
glimz [3d\]: is the comp going to be changed?
MXHero [3d\]: it was close for a long time!
igoyametai [4d\]: how many cores today?
goIngo [-\]: congrats to John
EpicPhail [2k\]: it was fairly close before w lost S15 group
glimz [3d\]: W was leading, no?
gogonuts [5d\]: w was leading after it killed the top left
gogonuts [5d\]: o2 lost the game - for a while
EpicPhail [2k\]: I still hope for ZEN as a secret weapon
BGAmatches [-\]: tomorrow MFoG will be running on a more powerful platform
gogonuts [5d\]: ah
gogonuts [5d\]: suspense building :-)
yoyoma [1k?\]: Remotely?
EpicPhail [2k\]: yes
glimz [3d\]: cannot be remotely acc/to agreement
glimz [3d\]: ?
BGAmatches [-\]: today it ran locally, tomorrow it will rewnt power from Amazon
gogonuts [5d\]: set the multicore flag to true :-.)
BGAmatches [-\]: John has relented on that agreement
yoyoma [1k?\]: They changed the agreement many times, they have been very flexible
gogonuts [5d\]: but thats agains tthe agreement isnt it?
glimz [3d\]: ah, nice.. :)
BGAmatches [-\]: they have agreed to change the agreement
EpicPhail [2k\]: they both agreed on it
underplay [-\]: why so many agreements?
gogonuts [5d\]: because theyre gamblers :-)
underplay [-\]: seems it doesn't really matter - its just interesting to see bot play - result irrelevant
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