(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[6600]
PW[John Tromp]PB[Many Faces of Go]WR[2d]BR[2d]DT[2010-12-29]CP[BGA]EV[Man/Machine challenge]RO[3]PC[ISH, Great Portland Street, London, England]WT["Man"]BT["Machine"]US[N.S.Wedd]C[ibd [5k\]: hi :)
BGAmatches [-\]: hi
BGAmatches [-\]: play may start in 20 minutes
ibd [5k\]: how was the 2nd game yesterday? Did MF have any chances of winning?
BGAmatches [-\]: I thought MF was ahead, untilit failed to save its group in the top right
ibd [5k\]: okay
BGAmatches [-\]: anyone who wants to be able to chat here should ask me 
BGAmatches [-\]: both players have arrived - Darren needs to set up his connection to Many Faces, which today will be running on Amazon rented processors
Stoopid [1d\]: what are the stats for the Amazon machine?
Stoopid [1d\]: (and how much does it cost per hour if it's known :)?
BGAmatches [-\]: "26 ECU", $2.48 per hour
BGAmatches [-\]: it's not "an Amazon machine", it's cloud
Stoopid [1d\]: virtual machine
Stoopid [1d\]: 1 EC=2007 Xeon IIRC
goIngo [-\]: Good morning everybody
anyone [1k?\]: moin Ingo
Stoopid [1d\]: morning :)
goIngo [-\]: Moin
goIngo [-\]: How is the weather inLondon? Foggy?
Stoopid [1d\]: i thought you don't ask Londoners about weather when you are in other parts of the world. too depressing for them.
goIngo [-\]: They might have a lucky day ?!
Stoopid [1d\]: would sooner bet on MfOG winning this match
goIngo [-\]: we will see
BGAmatches [-\]: mild weather here, light drizzle, snow all gone
goIngo [-\]: cloud computing may turn out to be sort of russian roulette
goIngo [-\]: so you are lucky - we still have lots of snow in western germany
Stoopid [1d\]: did anyone run any kind of general benchmark on both computers to see how much faster the Amazon VM is?
goIngo [-\]: does John Tromp have some comment for the auditory?
goIngo [-\]: or some message?
Zahlman [1d\]: this is Tromp as in the Tromp-Taylor rule set?
goIngo [-\]: right
goIngo [-\]: he is
Stoopid [1d\]: what's special about this ruleset?
goIngo [-\]: it is easy and almost complete
BGAmatches [-\]: this is the same Tromp, yes
Michi86 [7k\]: About yesterdays 2nd game, MFoG did have good start but then just fell appart.
Zahlman [1d\]: probably most of the lesser-known rulesets have the same basic design goals as Tromp-Taylor, though
vannab [2k\]: has manyfaces played zen recently?
Zahlman [1d\]: but philosophies differ, and things like "ease of comprehension" are subjective
goIngo [-\]: yes, it won several times
Zahlman [1d\]: "zen"?
goIngo [-\]: in the Olympiad in Octrober
goIngo [-\]: and also in a few kgs tournaments
vannab [2k\]: score?
Stoopid [1d\]: zen is 4d bot on KGS
goIngo [-\]: 4d only because of automatic elevator
goIngo [-\]: when it stopped playing it was strong 3d
Stoopid [1d\]: ah, I see
BGAmatches [-\]: Play will start in the evented Man/machine game in a few minutes
Stoopid [1d\]: still pretty tough
goIngo [-\]: vannab: tromp leads 2-0
goIngo [-\]: match is "best of 7"
vannab [2k\]: lol, I wanted score MF-zen..
goIngo [-\]: so he can close the thing today
goIngo [-\]: I see
goIngo [-\]: something like 5.2 from the official games
goIngo [-\]: of the last  few months
goIngo [-\]: 5-2
goIngo [-\]: for mf
vannab [2k\]: thx, hard to believe though..
goIngo [-\]: yes, times have changed
goIngo [-\]: mf and erika are strong competitors now
goIngo [-\]: erika won Gold in olympiad
goIngo [-\]: erika programmed by ajahuang
goIngo [-\]: who also is commenting here
klausP [4d\]: Is it right, that MFoG may use external Hardware today?
BGAmatches [-\]: that is right
BGAmatches [-\]: it is playing on Amazon cloud today
goIngo [-\]: maybe amaZEN would help more ?!
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;B[qd]
;W[dp]C[goIngo [-\]: the board is open !
IlanKeshet [3k\]: what is the time control.
BGAmatches [-\]: play has started
BGAmatches [-\]: 110 minutes each
smartrobot [9d\]: go robot!
waldo [6k\]: why the long wait?  is this such an unexpected position?
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;B[dd]
;W[pp]C[goIngo [-\]: manyfacwes = Black ?
BGAmatches [-\]: yes
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;B[np]C[klausP [4d\]: Tromp chooses 44 points, as in the last games
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;W[nq]
;B[mq]
;W[oq]C[klausP [4d\]: the high kakari is a little strange here
IlanKeshet [3k\]: oooh computer go?
klausP [4d\]: o3 seems better than o4
BGAmatches [-\]: both played fast, this must be in MF's joseki book
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;B[dn]C[klausP [4d\]: I like the Idea Tromp chooses here. 
ajahuang [6d\]: John likes to play O3
ajahuang [6d\]: but it's not so good
klausP [4d\]: why?
klausP [4d\]: I think a bot will have problems invading the corner later
EpicPhail [2k\]: klaus did you tell Tromp the little tsuke secret?
Zahlman [1d\]: MF is programmed with a joseki library? It doesn't seem to be playing like the pure MC bots...
ajahuang [6d\]: O3 is not joseki anyway
klausP [4d\]: I didnt, Epic
BGAmatches [-\]: MF is not pure MC
ajahuang [6d\]: Q6 simply jump is better than O3
Stoopid [1d\]: none of the well-known bots are pure MC, I believe
klausP [4d\]: generaly speaking, you are right of course
klausP [4d\]: but I think this kind of anti-bot strategy is well choosen here
goIngo [-\]: tromp playing like lasker in chess
Zahlman [1d\]: I thought crazystone was, at least...
goIngo [-\]: not finding the BEST move but the one
goIngo [-\]: that is appropriate for the opponent
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;W[fp]C[klausP [4d\]: ajahuang, do you like the black tenuki?
]
;B[cp]C[BGAmatches [-\]: CrazyStone used to be pure - it would think for a long time about move 1
EpicPhail [2k\]: klaus mention the name of the player that has won with this strategy - I am sure Tromp will have a look at it when he reads these comments
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;W[cq]C[goIngo [-\]: yes and no CrazyStone was pure MC-Tree-Search
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;B[co]C[ajahuang [6d\]: black tenuki is bad, of course
ajahuang [6d\]: N4 is really big
klausP [4d\]: :)
goIngo [-\]: pure MC would mean to papply MC only at the root
klausP [4d\]: see, the bot is not so good at handling o3...
]
;W[bq]C[Zahlman [1d\]: b3 n4 j3?
IlanKeshet [3k\]: i thought D6, was going to be followed up with either choosing M4 or N4. ... i guess not?
klausP [4d\]: but of course, Troms is doing the right thing here, d6 should be answered
]
;B[cj]C[Zahlman [1d\]: *now* cut? :)
Stoopid [1d\]: i wouldn't cut
klausP [4d\]: P16 is big too
EpicPhail [2k\]: f17
vannab [2k\]: w around q10 now
IlanKeshet [3k\]: why not?
ajahuang [6d\]: N4 connect then H3 is BIG
Stoopid [1d\]: top much bigger
Zahlman [1d\]: well, if there is nothing clearly sente and we aren't all agreeing on n4, then it can't be *that* big :)
ajahuang [6d\]: anyway, O3 is not so good
SqueezeIt [3d\]: what's the total score now?
SqueezeIt [3d\]: 2-0?
Zahlman [1d\]: what do you mean "total score"?
goIngo [-\]: 2-0 or tromp
Zahlman [1d\]: oh, games in the match
BGAmatches [-\]: 2-0 to Tromp
SqueezeIt [3d\]: thank you
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;W[jq]C[BGAmatches [-\]: match is best of 7
klausP [4d\]:  connecting at n4 is not the right move for b annymore, is it?
Mukti [4d\]: O3 feels terrible to me, Q6 feels much better
IlanKeshet [3k\]: feels heavy to connect n4?
BGAmatches [-\]: see my info for schedule etc.
vannab [2k\]: w so low
Stoopid [1d\]: b can play top now?
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;B[kd]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: I prefer b
Stoopid [1d\]: i also like b
ajahuang [6d\]: L16 is good
Mukti [4d\]: Surely if you reverse the order and assume b plays O4 after white K3, attaching at O3 is very bad.
ajahuang [6d\]: it is called "Chinese style" opening
ajahuang [6d\]: now N4 cut is small
Stoopid [1d\]: right side very big now
Mukti [4d\]: So from a tewari viewpoint, w did poorly.
EpicPhail [2k\]: q13?
klausP [4d\]: I think it is still roughly even
Chilltime [1d\]: i would prefer f17 now
klausP [4d\]: good point by Mukti
BGAmatches [-\]:  has used 8 minutes, B has used 3
ajahuang [6d\]: maybe Q10
ajahuang [6d\]: an obvious big extension
goIngo [-\]: my manyfaces likes white here
goIngo [-\]: 52 % right now
Chilltime [1d\]: sure
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;W[pj]
;B[ph]C[Iciac [4k\]: A little ironic, golngo :)
guru666: the clock isn't going down?
Chilltime [1d\]: thats because there are not many playouts on the bottum where you can do wrong
EpicPhail [2k\]: what would have happened after W q13?
Stoopid [1d\]: bot not thinking at all... has all planned out already :)
goIngo [-\]: @iciac I dont understand?
Chilltime [1d\]: now f17?
klausP [4d\]: maybe MFoG has a databese for the high chineese opening
EpicPhail [2k\]: guru they play on a analogue clock
Chilltime [1d\]: or p15?
ajahuang [6d\]: F17 is biggest now
Chilltime [1d\]: k
rkda [6k\]: he is running a local copy of many faces, and asking it to evaluate the board as it is played
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;W[jk]C[hiss [-\]: c17 isn't good?
EpicPhail [2k\]: here we go
Stoopid [1d\]: k9 anti-bot tesuji
EpicPhail [2k\]: yesterday the bot showed he is good at making a big until he is behind
goIngo [-\]: right rkda
rs220675 [1k\]: why is this an anti bot tesuji@stoopid?
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;B[pm]C[Gentility [?\]: k9 seems loose attack on n3?
shakti [-\]: easy game for black
Stoopid [1d\]: because bots can be mislead into ignoring important stones and fighting for moyo boundaries
BGAmatches [-\]: today they are still using an analogue clock, Tromp has 110 minutes, MF has 125 to allow for the operator's time transferring moves
vannab [2k\]: b clearly has the initiative now
BGAmatches [-\]: Tromp has now used 12 minutes, MF 4
EpicPhail [2k\]: BGA what are the stats for cloud?
ajahuang [6d\]: still even
BGAmatches [-\]: "26 ECU"
NoBenjamin [3k\]: so these are both bots?
BGAmatches [-\]: don't ask me what it means
Badduck [5d\]: i liked the bot in game 2
EpicPhail [2k\]: what does that mean?
zife [6k?\]: benjamin, no
Stoopid [1d\]: 1 ECU = 2007 1GHz Xeon
EpicPhail [2k\]: nice
Chilltime [1d\]: hm 17 seems strange
BGAmatches [-\]: it should have twice the speed of yesterday's platform
Chilltime [1d\]: i think a move like r8 would be more natural
EpicPhail [2k\]: o10?
BGAmatches [-\]: but Darren (MF's operator) could not get to run a 64-bit version, so he's still using 32-but MF
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;W[mp]C[BGAmatches [-\]: NoBenjamin: so my info for details
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;B[lp]
;W[mo]C[Badduck [5d\]: m4 asking for trouble?
NoBenjamin [3k\]: ty
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;B[ln]C[Stoopid [1d\]: i can't believe m4
EpicPhail [2k\]: q7 will fall naturally now
Stoopid [1d\]: ah.. an attempt at a large scale squeeze?
klausP [4d\]: hard to evaluate this shape
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;W[lo]C[Gentility [?\]: Looks messy.
comfort [4d\]: still m5 cant be bad for w
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;B[ko]C[Stoopid [1d\]: m5 - n6?
ajahuang [6d\]: m6 is really strange
goIngo [-\]: mf did not like m5 for white 
Badduck [5d\]: hehehe gets even stranger
Gentility [?\]: w trying to use aji from cut?
Gentility [?\]: *b
klausP [4d\]: L4 grabs some points now
Gentility [?\]: atari, atari, then run
ajahuang [6d\]: now L6 cut is the strongest
Stoopid [1d\]: l4 submissive?
EpicPhail [2k\]: L4
Badduck [5d\]: id really think about n6
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;W[kn]C[klausP [4d\]: he reads the chat, I guess :)
Badduck [5d\]: o96 now?
Badduck [5d\]: ops o6
Stoopid [1d\]: i doubt he's allowed to read the chat
goIngo [-\]: my mf likes o6
]
;B[jn]
;W[km]C[klausP [4d\]: of course he does not, I was joking
EpicPhail [2k\]: J7 to win 5 in a row
klausP [4d\]: this looks like a broken ladder
Gentility [?\]: b split and weak, bad result.
Badduck [5d\]: i think b should have fight against q10
ajahuang [6d\]: K4
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;B[kl]C[klausP [4d\]: oh
klausP [4d\]: getting worse
BGAmatches [-\]: Tromp says he is happy about his position
EpicPhail [2k\]: ??
Gentility [?\]: strange?
AkimiInoue [3d\]: mf broken
ajahuang [6d\]: L8 is really strange
vannab [2k\]: l6 no i's
goIngo [-\]: Black mismanaghed the last 3 moves
Badduck [5d\]: y mf processor down?
Gentility [?\]: b forced w to ruin its position
Stoopid [1d\]: maybe B got it all figured out and is just playing typical MC endgame to win by 0.5 :)
klausP [4d\]: maybe some bug in the program?
ajahuang [6d\]: maybe Black tries to produce ladder situation
goIngo [-\]: mf style cloudy today ;-)
klausP [4d\]: you would be suprised to know, how often serious mistakes are just a matter of debugging
EpicPhail [2k\]: ladder into q7
ajahuang [6d\]: M7 then O5 ladder atari
JoostC [4d\]: This I like playing a 20 kyu player, but I lost once in blitz game.
goIngo [-\]: My mf stills likes white - 53 %
goIngo [-\]: which version of MF is running in London?
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;W[kp]C[SqueezeIt [3d\]: this is the Dark Face of Go :D
klausP [4d\]: L4 is a save move, but k7 was mor natural to me
ajahuang [6d\]: at least Black K8 can hurt K9
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;B[jo]C[BGAmatches [-\]: 32-bit version, running in the Amazon cloud
Gentility [?\]: seem unfavorable for b
goIngo [-\]: I mean 12.021 or more aevanced?
BGAmatches [-\]: ought to have been 64-bit
Gentility [?\]: Can't see how it's good
goIngo [-\]: version number
BGAmatches [-\]: don't know
klausP [4d\]: b had to squezze with k6 here
Badduck [5d\]: y not k7?
goIngo [-\]: ask Darren, please
BGAmatches [-\]: I will if there's a pause
JoostC [4d\]: k7 still interesting
goIngo [-\]: ok, thx
Gentility [?\]: k7 now seem fine
ajahuang [6d\]: Info, which version of MF do you have?
goIngo [-\]: my is 12.021
ajahuang [6d\]: me too
klausP [4d\]: I think b has some aji, but w leads
Drakovich [2d\]: wa
ajahuang [6d\]: it's the newest 
goIngo [-\]: my machine is slow, dual core only
ajahuang [6d\]: 12.021 is the newest, I am sure
goIngo [-\]: the newest for download
ajahuang [6d\]: yes
goIngo [-\]: Darren may has developmental version
goIngo [-\]: may have
klausP [4d\]: k7 natural now
vannab [2k\]: b ok
ajahuang [6d\]: 12.021 is the improved version after Olympiad
goIngo [-\]: right
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;W[jl]C[BGAmatches [-\]: W has used 22 minutes, B 8
ajahuang [6d\]: M3 connect now
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;B[jm]C[Stoopid [1d\]: is any of the current strong bots open source?
]
;W[lm]C[goIngo [-\]: black now at 54 % according to MF
klausP [4d\]: oh
klausP [4d\]: MF missed m3
]
;B[mn]C[ajahuang [6d\]: M3 then J3....
]
;W[lq]C[klausP [4d\]: m3 would have threatened a ladder with m7 and then o5
vannab [2k\]: m3 was nothing
klausP [4d\]: lol 6d wants m3 and 2k knows better :)
]
;B[no]
;W[mr]C[vannab [2k\]: always :)
Badduck [5d\]: y m3 was not bad
vannab [2k\]: sry
EpicPhail [2k\]: 2ks are strong!!!!
EpicPhail [2k\]: LOL
klausP [4d\]: actually, sometimes 2k realy do know better...
ajahuang [6d\]: ya
BGAmatches [-\]: darren has some problem with his interface to MF . . . 
BGAmatches [-\]: he "added a stone" instead of playing a move
goIngo [-\]: that is what I meant with russian roulette at cloud computing
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;B[qj]C[vannab [2k\]: m3 too local, it's the whole board stratagy of b
goIngo [-\]: 50 % accord to my mf
klausP [4d\]: lol
klausP [4d\]: nice one vannab
BGAmatches [-\]: he has fixed the problem
vannab [2k\]: sry klauus :)
]
;W[qk]C[ajahuang [6d\]: 12.021 is around 60% against the olympiad version...
goIngo [-\]: selfplay tests are always problematic
klausP [4d\]: I am just having fun, never take me serious please :)
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;B[pk]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: m7 getting weaker....
vannab [2k\]: klaus: who is bettter here according to you? (serious)
klausP [4d\]: I prever w
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;W[qi]C[goIngo [-\]: my manyfaces too
klausP [4d\]: K5 is rather weak
klausP [4d\]: w got save points 
vannab [2k\]: 2k not agree :)
klausP [4d\]: o5 is weak
EpicPhail [2k\]: m7 is getting weaker, too??
SqueezeIt [3d\]: no
Badduck [5d\]: q11?
SqueezeIt [3d\]: M7 ok
BGAmatches [-\]: W has used 24 minutes, B 13
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;B[oj]C[klausP [4d\]: m7 is not so weak untill k6 gets strong
]
;W[pi]C[ajahuang [6d\]: later black might M9
klausP [4d\]: but I would have taken  r10
EpicPhail [2k\]: m9 looks like a real threat hard to answer in the near future
klausP [4d\]: looks more natural
]
;B[ql]C[klausP [4d\]: ajahuang, do you prever b?
ajahuang [6d\]: no, I prefer W
klausP [4d\]: :)
EpicPhail [2k\]: if m7 falls the game is over
goIngo [-\]: ajahuang can you let Erika running on these positions?
]
;W[rj]C[vannab [2k\]: b has all the initiative..
BGAmatches [-\]: a cleaner just tried to get into the room, disturbing the players
ajahuang [6d\]: Erica is resting now, sorry :)
goIngo [-\]: I see
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;B[oi]C[klausP [4d\]: ajahuang, you are the programmer of erica?
ajahuang [6d\]: Seriously, my PC is running some jobs, so I can't run Erica.
]
;W[oh]C[ajahuang [6d\]: yes I am
SqueezeIt [3d\]: M9 soon?
goIngo [-\]: When a woman is comming other jobs have to wait
klausP [4d\]: oh! great bot!
ajahuang [6d\]: exactly
goIngo [-\]: ;-)
ajahuang [6d\]: Ingo you know it well :)
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;B[nh]
;W[og]C[goIngo [-\]: yes, in 16 minutes i have to come to kitchen ;-)
EpicPhail [2k\]: m9
goIngo [-\]: without monitor
Badduck [5d\]: L9?
klausP [4d\]: I was in the gomorra team, and we tend to loose agains erica
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;B[qg]C[goIngo [-\]: no shame for this
klausP [4d\]: but didnt we score a win too, in the 9x9 contest?
goIngo [-\]: 53 % for white, m8 expected
EpicPhail [2k\]: what is locally the best move to strengthen m7 for w?
]
;W[qf]C[Chilltime [1d\]: n9
ajahuang [6d\]: Wthie can just N7 atari
Chilltime [1d\]: yeah
BGAmatches [-\]: MF's winning percentage has risen from 47% to 53%
ajahuang [6d\]: P9 is strong then
klausP [4d\]: after n9, b can sacc n6 and push 
BGAmatches [-\]: over the last few moves
Chilltime [1d\]: and then catch 8 ^^
goIngo [-\]: yes, r14 was a s urprise for it
]
;B[rf]C[klausP [4d\]: crosscut
klausP [4d\]: but b strenthens the corner this way
ajahuang [6d\]: klausP, tell Lars that Erica will wait for Gomorra next year :)
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;W[rg]C[klausP [4d\]: I will prepare the book for U :)
ajahuang [6d\]: just kidding
EpicPhail [2k\]: sounds like a romantic bot love story
goIngo [-\]: bots always fall in traps or in love
goIngo [-\]: :-)
klausP [4d\]: with female dominance
]
;B[pf]C[vannab [2k\]: dating os off topic
ajahuang [6d\]: S13 is good
]
;W[pg]
;B[qe]
;W[qh]C[BGAmatches [-\]: W has used 27 minutes, B 19
EpicPhail [2k\]: I bet p9 comes soon from w if he has time
klausP [4d\]: b has broken shape all over the board
goIngo [-\]: my mf gives 46 % for black here
Drakovich [2d\]: who do u want to win?
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;B[gn]C[vannab [2k\]: I have b at 55%
goIngo [-\]: which bot?
vannab [2k\]: mine
goIngo [-\]: which one is it?
Badduck [5d\]: his
Chilltime [1d\]: p9?
goIngo [-\]: ;-)
vannab [2k\]: my brains .. (2k though)
EpicPhail [2k\]: n9
Chilltime [1d\]: b is doing fine i think
vannab [2k\]: agree
Chilltime [1d\]: better than the last games actually
BGAmatches [-\]: not surprising - it has twice the power
goIngo [-\]: game 2 did not look so bad in between
anyone [1k?\]: does white like sure territory?
EpicPhail [2k\]: game 2 was only lost because of an tsumego error
EpicPhail [2k\]: or n10?
klausP [4d\]: but both players did tsumego errors in game 2
vannab [2k\]: w has 45+pts and nothing else
ajahuang [6d\]: I think N7 is clean and safe
Badduck [5d\]: y n7
klausP [4d\]: I like n7 too
vannab [2k\]: n7 slow
Badduck [5d\]: + o11 later
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;W[ok]C[klausP [4d\]: w has more than 45 points. he has a base on the left with acces to the top, this will be important
klausP [4d\]: baso on the right I mean
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;B[mm]
;W[ll]
;B[lk]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: dango
EpicPhail [2k\]: I prefer b here
]
;W[ml]C[klausP [4d\]: I dont
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;B[nk]C[vannab [2k\]: 2k vs 4d
Chilltime [1d\]: klausp is fake 4d ;-) more like a 5d :-(
vannab [2k\]: 2k vs 2d/5d
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;W[nl]C[klausP [4d\]: lets see arguments rather than ranks
klausP [4d\]: why do you like b?
EpicPhail [2k\]: because I thought w cannot omit the dango
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;B[ol]C[klausP [4d\]: I like w because: w has save points, connected shapes 
vannab [2k\]: cause b rules 2/3 of the board
EpicPhail [2k\]: L9
Chilltime [1d\]: but its all invadeable
klausP [4d\]: b has a big moyo indeed
vannab [2k\]: yes but then b will harvest big
Badduck [5d\]: big moyo where?
EpicPhail [2k\]: L9 is key
klausP [4d\]: and loosing p9 this way was a setback
BGAmatches [-\]: W has used 35 minutes, B 22
EpicPhail [2k\]: O6 is too greedy
klausP [4d\]: Badduck points out the obvious: all moyo-boarderlines are broken
klausP [4d\]: o6 is ok
vannab [2k\]: and w lower side still invadable..
burtabel [4d\]: o6 l9, i don't like this for W
ibd [5k\]: w just l9?
gogonuts [5d\]: mf had a great opening until john cut at n4
ibd [5k\]: why not?
EpicPhail [2k\]: I agree wtih burtabel
gogonuts [5d\]: then for a while w was coasting
vannab [2k\]: (b h3 possible) 
klausP [4d\]: yes, but L9 O7 is not better
klausP [4d\]: hm, maybe L9, O7 o9
]
;W[kk]C[gogonuts [5d\]: but with the ponnuki at p9 b is back in bussiness
EpicPhail [2k\]: if b gets L9 he has achieved all he wanted
gogonuts [5d\]: L9 had to be played
Badduck [5d\]: y
]
;B[mk]C[klausP [4d\]: and now o6
EpicPhail [2k\]: o6 game over
Badduck [5d\]: y does it play n9???
klausP [4d\]: bots still have trouble with miai?!
]
;W[nn]C[gogonuts [5d\]: n9 not bad, itwas the position that wasnt good :-)
vannab [2k\]: n9 nonsense
]
;B[on]
;W[nm]C[Badduck [5d\]: to be consistent p5 now
vannab [2k\]: only m
gogonuts [5d\]: p6 is classic aji keshi
EpicPhail [2k\]: f17
klausP [4d\]: so w has 51.5+ points and b has??
]
;B[qf]C[vannab [2k\]: me? now rules (only) 1/2 board
EpicPhail [2k\]: s8 honte?
gogonuts [5d\]: i like o13
klausP [4d\]: I like o14
Badduck [5d\]: w may attack with f6 + cut?
gogonuts [5d\]: o14 i like for b :-9
gogonuts [5d\]: )
klausP [4d\]: snif
klausP [4d\]: why is o14 a mistake for w, gogo
gogonuts [5d\]: slack shape
gogonuts [5d\]: hard to explain :-)
]
;W[rl]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: he plays like a 2k
gogonuts [5d\]: beb will squeeze at o14
vannab [2k\]: 2k stong
klausP [4d\]: I guess though guys like you wont to kill o12, but I just want to crawl to the top...
gogonuts [5d\]: a move like s8 got w in trouble yesterday too :-)
yoyomar: how did the program do in the last matches?
gogonuts [5d\]: thoug for different reasons
gogonuts [5d\]: not bad, but lost big time in the end both times
ajahuang [6d\]: oh, great commentor gogo is here
klausP [4d\]: I thin s8 is even slacker than o14
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
klausP [4d\]: all hail to gogo :)
gogonuts [5d\]: i agree klaus
EpicPhail [2k\]: but here s8 has a double purpose - make w rocksolid + gets miai to falsify q8 eye
Badduck [5d\]: hm if u exchange o13 for o16 its really good for w?
vannab [2k\]: s8 sente
EpicPhail [2k\]: so p11 is attackable - thus destroying top moyo
klausP [4d\]: ah Badduck so strong
gogonuts [5d\]: if b s7 he deserves a beating :-) - but it wont happen
gogonuts [5d\]: tenuki possible
vannab [2k\]: really?
klausP [4d\]: res possible
gogonuts [5d\]: squeeze probable
]
;B[rm]C[gogonuts [5d\]: lol
klausP [4d\]: lol
vannab [2k\]: 2k move..
EpicPhail [2k\]: ok w has all he wanted now
gogonuts [5d\]: i demote myself from the position of master commentator :-)
BGAmatches [-\]: S7 was played a while ago but darren forgot to transfer it to the "real" board
]
;W[qn]C[ajahuang [6d\]: you can't, gogo :)
klausP [4d\]: see it that way: b can still hope to kill r9 now...
klausP [4d\]: yea, we wont accapt that, gogo unsless ajahuang claims the seat
]
;B[sl]
;W[rk]C[gogonuts [5d\]: lol
ajahuang [6d\]: yep
vannab [2k\]: b r3 possible later
klausP [4d\]: r3 just dead
gogonuts [5d\]: r6 was greedy, t8 for s9 hurt ws eyeshape
]
;B[qm]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: s12??
klausP [4d\]: br3 wr4 bs4 w s5 is not even ko
]
;W[ng]C[klausP [4d\]: b can try s4 in the endgame 
vannab [2k\]: so s7 was usefull
]
;B[qo]C[klausP [4d\]: r6 u mean?
EpicPhail [2k\]: tenuki
vannab [2k\]: no, bs7
goIngo [-\]: back from lunch
klausP [4d\]: n12 not as big as usual
BGAmatches [-\]: W has used 43 minutes, B 30
EpicPhail [2k\]: o16?
goIngo [-\]: my mf gives 58 % for white
vannab [2k\]: I think b h3 is crucial at some point
gogonuts [5d\]: even the sister mf doesnt think bs moyo will hold :-)
goIngo [-\]: moyo - which moyo?
gogonuts [5d\]: those sketchy b stones at the top :-)
vannab [2k\]: gogo: b's moyo worth 50+
goIngo [-\]: hmm you have lots of fantasy, guys
vannab [2k\]: experience..
anyone [1k?\]: and then only 2k ?
vannab [2k\]: not with a ?
goIngo [-\]: he stopped at millenium switch ?!
goIngo [-\]: do you mean "a"? or a"?"
vannab [2k\]: ?
goIngo [-\]: you said  not with a ?
]
;W[qp]C[Drakovich [2d\]: i come back to the game and see so many holes
Drakovich [2d\]: sigh
ajahuang [6d\]: ya, black damaged too much in the center
vannab [2k\]: w afraid of invading?
]
;B[rh]C[Drakovich [2d\]: u mean w?
]
;W[ri]C[goIngo [-\]: 57% for w
yoyomar: f17 
Badduck [5d\]: r4 offtopic?
]
;B[mh]C[ibd [5k\]: to me, b seems ahead but w has more potential to invade and gain anything
goIngo [-\]: I feel strange with the evaluations of my MFog, so question to Nick:
goIngo [-\]: Is really mfog playing or fuego?
BGAmatches [-\]: really MFoG
goIngo [-\]: very strange
gogonuts [5d\]: s11 sente against a human, not sente against a bot :-)
gogonuts [5d\]: because bots are under no obligation to make sense of the last move they played
BGAmatches [-\]: whereas humans feel compeeled to make sense to themselves
EpicPhail [2k\]: r4 seems slow
gogonuts [5d\]: exactly
]
;W[sh]C[goIngo [-\]: expected by mf
vannab [2k\]: harvest now
EpicPhail [2k\]: F17
]
;B[gl]C[Badduck [5d\]: not bad imo
BGAmatches [-\]: W has used 51 minutes, B 32
vannab [2k\]: agree
klausP [4d\]: w is playing save the last moves, but it is slow too
EpicPhail [2k\]: maybe w can kill q9
ajahuang [6d\]: T12 is really too slow
goIngo [-\]: 59% with antoher slow move at s5
gogonuts [5d\]: b is extricating himself from the ruble
klausP [4d\]: t12 AND r4 are rather slow
gogonuts [5d\]: rubble
Badduck [5d\]:  g8 was really good
klausP [4d\]: still w leads Immo
ajahuang [6d\]: White played S11 and T12, 2 moves to capture 1 stone....
Chilltime [1d\]: f17 now
]
;W[fc]C[goIngo [-\]: but mf evaluation supports him
goIngo [-\]: him=white
gogonuts [5d\]: yes, w well ahead
klausP [4d\]: well, w has 57.5+ save points
gogonuts [5d\]: bs handling of n4 was horrible
klausP [4d\]: k9 is in place to reduce, so is o13
]
;B[hc]
;W[cc]C[goIngo [-\]: 59% for w
klausP [4d\]: b3 prepares the monkey - so where can b make his 60 Points?
vannab [2k\]: b still has h3..
]
;B[dc]C[gogonuts [5d\]: taking sente
klausP [4d\]: i did not count points for w around h3
]
;W[cd]C[Badduck [5d\]: with o15 b gets some points?
vannab [2k\]: then w 40+ pts
gogonuts [5d\]: p17 is big for both
klausP [4d\]: no
klausP [4d\]: just count
]
;B[de]
;W[db]C[klausP [4d\]: and add komi of course
gogonuts [5d\]: adding komi in this position is unfair
goIngo [-\]: ;-)
BGAmatches [-\]: W has used 54 minutes, B 36
vannab [2k\]: lol
]
;B[eb]
;W[cb]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: can o17 make life if capped?
klausP [4d\]: by the way: w has about 70 points by now
gogonuts [5d\]: g4 still possible fo b
]
;B[fb]
;W[cf]C[vannab [2k\]: i count 45+
klausP [4d\]: vannab, count prisoners too, pls
gogonuts [5d\]: b needs to protect the top right now
vannab [2k\]: included..
]
;B[df]C[vannab [2k\]: ok 50+
]
;W[cg]C[Badduck [5d\]: if sthg like o15 b ahead imo
Drakovich [2d\]: B is really losing now right?
ajahuang [6d\]: yes
goIngo [-\]: I think he is over Jordan already
gogonuts [5d\]: d14 aji keshi, d13 next gote
Drakovich [2d\]: i kinda wish the computer would win a few games
Drakovich [2d\]: haha
klausP [4d\]: to left: 12, lower left 14 lower side 32 right side 7
]
;B[ce]
;W[be]C[gogonuts [5d\]: he had a good fuseki today
klausP [4d\]: +komi makes it 70
goIngo [-\]: 63% for w, according to mfog
gogonuts [5d\]: uh oh, first signs of ko threat go?
klausP [4d\]: where do you count differently vanab?
]
;B[hq]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: tenuki?
vannab [2k\]: I see, you're optimistic ;)
EpicPhail [2k\]: o17?
klausP [4d\]: no
klausP [4d\]: where is my counting optimistik?
gogonuts [5d\]: b has e3 next, so its delicate
gogonuts [5d\]: dunno
EpicPhail [2k\]: ok so h4
vannab [2k\]: H3 MINE ;)
gogonuts [5d\]: want to play in the top right, but is it safe?
EpicPhail [2k\]: or g3?
klausP [4d\]: h4 is fine now
gogonuts [5d\]: is tenuki safe i mean
klausP [4d\]: why tenuki?
]
;W[hp]C[vannab [2k\]: sry, caps on
gogonuts [5d\]: to get sente :-)
EpicPhail [2k\]: I think g3 and take sente is fine too
klausP [4d\]: lol
klausP [4d\]: so gogo, you mean b will tenuki now??
gogonuts [5d\]: no
ibd [5k\]: h3 \\o/
klausP [4d\]: then the exchange was nice for w
gogonuts [5d\]: but the area is busy now
EpicPhail [2k\]: g4 g3 j4 g5 j3 
gogonuts [5d\]: its now a sente lottery :-)
]
;B[ip]C[klausP [4d\]: b will end up in gote here annyway
EpicPhail [2k\]: g3
vannab [2k\]: after some damage..
Badduck [5d\]: h5?
]
;W[iq]C[klausP [4d\]: oh
klausP [4d\]: suprise
gogonuts [5d\]: g3 was better
gogonuts [5d\]: now b gets something in sente
klausP [4d\]: j3 looks bad
EpicPhail [2k\]: j3 is strange
Jazzman [2d\]: this hurts?
klausP [4d\]: g3 or h5 was kalled for
EpicPhail [2k\]: planing g4 g3
]
;B[gp]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: ko?
EpicPhail [2k\]: or gote
gogonuts [5d\]: the smell of b sente is in the air
klausP [4d\]: like yesterday they remind us, that it is the shodan challenge
goIngo [-\]: mf did not klike j3 for white
goIngo [-\]: like
]
;W[gq]C[klausP [4d\]: so you are right, gogo, but sill h4 sould have leaded to w getting sente
]
;B[ho]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: f3 gote...
Badduck [5d\]: flowerko
klausP [4d\]: what w is doing here is so bad - its on my level in one of my last games agains gogonuts....
goIngo [-\]: my mf is in love with s5 for white
gogonuts [5d\]: take sente now, give the bot a taste of his own medicine :-)
]
;W[hr]C[BGAmatches [-\]: W has 51 minutes left, B has 103
EpicPhail [2k\]: this ko is not so flower for w
klausP [4d\]: w did not secure the side jet and ends in gote
klausP [4d\]: horrible
vannab [2k\]: flower for b
]
;B[fq]
;W[hp]C[Badduck [5d\]: y f3?
EpicPhail [2k\]: b last hope for the game is to win the ko
gogonuts [5d\]: b wisely prepared thrats with c15 :-)
gogonuts [5d\]: threats
Badduck [5d\]: hm e4?
]
;B[ep]C[Badduck [5d\]: haha im a bot
EpicPhail [2k\]: e3
gogonuts [5d\]: not easy to see
gogonuts [5d\]: good suggestion
Jazzman [2d\]: bdbot that is? or duckbot?
vannab [2k\]: e4 trivial
EpicPhail [2k\]: e3 and w is fine
EpicPhail [2k\]: at least in gote
Badduck [5d\]: hi jazz
]
;W[eq]C[Sandmann [5d\]: h3!
gogonuts [5d\]: it would be badbot ofcourse
gogonuts [5d\]: if he wrote one
BGAmatches [-\]: W has 50 minutes left, B has 102
EpicPhail [2k\]: h3 bad
Jazzman [2d\]: :-)
EpicPhail [2k\]: f2 then
Sandmann [5d\]: :D
]
;B[fo]
;W[fr]C[Badduck [5d\]: b rather thick now
gogonuts [5d\]: percentages coming back for b ingo?
Badduck [5d\]: o15 
EpicPhail [2k\]: all because of j3
]
;B[dg]C[gogonuts [5d\]: no way
gogonuts [5d\]: make mush out of the top right now
EpicPhail [2k\]: o17 +life =game
]
;W[ch]C[vannab [2k\]: b must o15
gogonuts [5d\]: o15 too thin
gogonuts [5d\]: even o16 too thin
]
;B[nd]C[gogonuts [5d\]: lol
Badduck [5d\]: ok fine
vannab [2k\]: o15 = 40+ pts
gogonuts [5d\]: w o17
Zahlman [1d\]: o17 seems like the only thing w can do really, yeah
Badduck [5d\]: i liked the balance of o15 with l16
vannab [2k\]: o17 nothing..
Zahlman [1d\]: you don't think w can live?
vannab [2k\]: no
Badduck [5d\]: hm no dont think so but i d try
vannab [2k\]: me too..
goIngo [-\]: me three
Zahlman [1d\]: it can't really cost anything important? :/
gogonuts [5d\]: o17 feel like a good place to start bargaining ...
Zahlman [1d\]: even if b gets thick there, what good is it... just facing the already alive o13 stones and a tiny unsurroundable area...
Badduck [5d\]: or q17
EpicPhail [2k\]: k16 asking for trouble?
Chilltime [1d\]: w is already leading?
Zahlman [1d\]: ooh, q17 interesting
vannab [2k\]: w something like g13?
gogonuts [5d\]: but too bad w didnt take the opportunity instead of c12
gogonuts [5d\]: it would have been a cakewalk
Chilltime [1d\]: well gogo i still think white is leading
Zahlman [1d\]: g13? what's the rush :)
Chilltime [1d\]: whites position is very very solid without aji and he has sente
Chilltime [1d\]: if i count now i think its even and its whites move
gogonuts [5d\]: a move like g13 is very problematic
gogonuts [5d\]: doesnt really do anything, but might get cut off
EpicPhail [2k\]: g13 is russian roulette
goIngo [-\]: and waking up black
Badduck [5d\]: maybe its possible to live upper side
Sandmann [5d\]: it's rather close
BGAmatches [-\]: W has 45 mins left, B has 99
gogonuts [5d\]: better black than dead
Zahlman [1d\]: randy loev moyo
Zahlman [1d\]: b+48 lol
klausP [4d\]: MF got back in the game
klausP [4d\]: and w prepares to face time trouble maybe
Sandmann [5d\]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lovemore_Moyo
goIngo [-\]: my mf still thinks 56% for white
]
;W[jf]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: is "normal" reduction enough to win?
vannab [2k\]: close..
Zahlman [1d\]: w seems to think it is? :/
gogonuts [5d\]: wow sandmann, what a name
Sandmann [5d\]: :DD
Zahlman [1d\]: this move is interesting
goIngo [-\]: that was wakeup call for mf: now 51% fr black
EpicPhail [2k\]: w kills q9 now
]
;B[jh]C[Zahlman [1d\]: can't kill q9
klausP [4d\]: 77 points for w - it is do or die now
Zahlman [1d\]: s5 p7 miai
gogonuts [5d\]: this could get a little frantic :-)
EpicPhail [2k\]: zahlman vs a human I agree
vannab [2k\]: klaus: w 60+
Zahlman [1d\]: ... you are expecting l&d to be a relative weak point for a computer?
Zahlman [1d\]: that is an epic phail
klausP [4d\]: why do you alwas count so different??
EpicPhail [2k\]: have you seen the last 2 games?
Drakovich [2d\]: then u didnt see yesterdays game
Zahlman [1d\]: seriously?!
BGAmatches [-\]: MF has twice the processor power it had yesterday
ibd [5k\]: in yesterday's game mf was weak at l&d because it was losing badly already
gogonuts [5d\]: kyus have to be a little more pessimistic than you in the endgame :-)
klausP [4d\]: cu later
gogonuts [5d\]: cu
EpicPhail [2k\]: cu
goIngo [-\]: cu klaus
Zahlman [1d\]: I could swear I remember a time when the best bots were like 9k overall, but considered 1k at l&d
vannab [2k\]: agree coco ;)
]
;W[lf]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: n15? to try to connect?
ibd [5k\]: cut cut cut 
Badduck [5d\]: n13 cut + kill
gogonuts [5d\]: pretty sure
gogonuts [5d\]: b wont sit by idly
goIngo [-\]: mf no at 54 % for b
]
;B[mg]C[ibd [5k\]: the invasion was too deep?
goIngo [-\]: perhaps
Badduck [5d\]: duckbot...
EpicPhail [2k\]: L12?
goIngo [-\]: at least mf now seems to have a plan
gogonuts [5d\]: the kill part still has to be negotiated :-)
Zahlman [1d\]: mf went from 56% for w to 54% for b? must think k14 was a mistake? :)
ibd [5k\]: l13 seems easier to connect for w, for example
goIngo [-\]: k14 was like a wakeup call for the bot
sum [5d\]: m14 too heavy
vannab [2k\]: k14 too deep indeed
Badduck [5d\]: b is better now yes
BGAmatches [-\]: W has 40 mins left, B has 72
Zahlman [1d\]: n14 o14 o15 p14 n16 possible? ;D
EpicPhail [2k\]: f17 ladder breaker
gogonuts [5d\]: instead of m14 w had a chance to bargain at o15
BGAmatches [-\]: MF thinks it chance of winning is 51%
goIngo [-\]: mf now expecting o15
]
;W[kh]C[Zahlman [1d\]: epic, what ladder?
EpicPhail [2k\]: the crosscut now
sum [5d\]: W should better have tried flexible approach like n16 n15 o17 
gogonuts [5d\]: fifty-fifty is a good assessment :-)
]
;B[ki]C[ibd [5k\]: I hope b wins this game, it would really make the bot more relaxed for the next game
sum [5d\]: lol
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
Zahlman [1d\]: not too late for n16 stuff? :)
goIngo [-\]: monte carlo always feels relaxed
EpicPhail [2k\]: k11 only move
EpicPhail [2k\]: no needto waste time
gogonuts [5d\]: execpt when its hunting you
goIngo [-\]: perhaps John lost rack
goIngo [-\]: track
Zahlman [1d\]: k11 l13, and?
gogonuts [5d\]: stressful for w - uh oh my position, uh oh my time
anyone [1k?\]: who will create the next bet? 
EpicPhail [2k\]: yes I agree gogo
vannab [2k\]: this fight seems decisive
EpicPhail [2k\]: w is lost here
goIngo [-\]: now i see the moyo :-)
]
;W[kc]C[gogonuts [5d\]: lol
Zahlman [1d\]: :o
gogonuts [5d\]: i saw it first - like a mirage in the dessert
sum [5d\]: too late?
Zahlman [1d\]: w just trying for confusion now?
EpicPhail [2k\]: yes make the bot read a lot of rubbish every time - adding some aji
gogonuts [5d\]: why not?
goIngo [-\]: according to mf L17 normal - thinking on m16
CBlue [?\]: w has about 70 points secured? can b get more if his current attack goes well?
]
;B[lc]C[gogonuts [5d\]: m16 looked good to me
Jazzman [2d\]: i'd say so, blue
sum [5d\]: m16 easier for B
EpicPhail [2k\]: cut all think later
Zahlman [1d\]: w just needs any kind of sabaki here I guess
goIngo [-\]: sabaki = greek wine ?
Badduck [5d\]: id have played m16 too 
BGAmatches [-\]: W has 36 mins left, B has 76
gogonuts [5d\]: you mean sirtaki
vannab [2k\]: w need 2 i's
gogonuts [5d\]: loling at myself
goIngo [-\]: no, sirtaki is not wine
gogonuts [5d\]: i know
Chilltime [1d\]: lol gogo
]
;W[ld]C[gogonuts [5d\]: good crosscut
gogonuts [5d\]: ingos mf was wiser
ibd [5k\]: what's sirtaki?
gogonuts [5d\]: a dance
]
;B[jc]C[goIngo [-\]: yes, a dance on 19x19 dishes
Zahlman [1d\]: n17 l18 n16 
ibd [5k\]: I guess w dies here
EpicPhail [2k\]: n17 or L15??
gogonuts [5d\]: google alexis sorbas :-)
vannab [2k\]: any greek players around?
gogonuts [5d\]: n17 looks pretty good
sum [5d\]: l15 l18 k16 l17 n14 
SqueezeIt [3d\]: this situation doesn't feel that hard for w..
EpicPhail [2k\]: L15 says I wanna live and N17 says I wanna ko + reduce + maybe connect
]
;W[kb]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: L18 weird?
goIngo [-\]: expected by mf
gogonuts [5d\]: it gets something too, but b k16 is powerful
ibd [5k\]: I'm quite surprised mf expects all these seemingly desperate moves
sum [5d\]: n17 k16 l15 k15 j17 and W only eats false eye
]
;B[le]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: I don´t like L18
SqueezeIt [3d\]: eh?
sum [5d\]: l15 n16 k16 
gogonuts [5d\]: L15 for w
gogonuts [5d\]: yes
Drakovich [2d\]: B might kill this!
SqueezeIt [3d\]: don't think so..
EpicPhail [2k\]: this looks horrible for w
goIngo [-\]: cu
Badduck [5d\]: L15?
EpicPhail [2k\]: cu
gogonuts [5d\]: we all want L15
gogonuts [5d\]: cu
BGAmatches [-\]: W has 32 minutes left, B ha 74
gogonuts [5d\]: what we specifically dont want is n16 :-)
]
;W[md]C[Sandmann [5d\]: lol
vannab [2k\]: lol
EpicPhail [2k\]: xDD
Jazzman [2d\]: lol7
Sandmann [5d\]: :DDDD
sum [5d\]: B strong at tricking human 2d
]
;B[me]
;W[mc]C[SqueezeIt [3d\]: and now?
]
;B[ob]C[gogonuts [5d\]: oh the coolness
Mukti [4d\]: Nice move!
gogonuts [5d\]: even if it fails its cool :-)
SqueezeIt [3d\]: yeah
Mukti [4d\]: I would have preferred L15, though
vannab [2k\]: hot stuff..
Mukti [4d\]: To lock off the center
ibd [5k\]: this is... dead??
gogonuts [5d\]: dunno what this is
EpicPhail [2k\]: k16?
BGAmatches [-\]: W has 30 minutes left, B hass 68
ibd [5k\]: o18?
blunderer [4k\]: l15 still playable for w
gogonuts [5d\]: if o18 b m18
snowmen [4d\]: thos time the bot seems to have a chance
CBlue [?\]: o18 m18 p17?
ibd [5k\]: l15 k16 n14 o15 o14 ? can't be
gogonuts [5d\]: p18 would be a worthy winning move
CBlue [?\]: after that, w can L15 again since o18 probed b to reply at m18
BGAmatches [-\]: B has 73 minutes left, not 68 as I said
BGAmatches [-\]: W now has 26
Gentility [2k?\]: b win on time?
blunderer [4k\]: tromp might regret allowing using a remote computer...
EpicPhail [2k\]: n14 interesting
Badduck [5d\]: how to kill after o17?
]
;W[nb]C[sum [5d\]: l15 k16 n14 o15 o14 b4 = W leads by 6.5
EpicPhail [2k\]: BGA what does Tromp say - look like - facial expression?
Badduck [5d\]: alive
gogonuts [5d\]: precise diagnosis :-)
Larrave [1d\]: test
Badduck [5d\]: :-)
Larrave [1d\]: :)
]
;B[lb]
;W[la]C[Leibnix [7k\]: I... I.... I can speak again!
hexon [3k\]: what just hapenned?
glimz [3d\]: if i had to implement a bot using amazon web services, i'd use mechanical turk
Iciac [4k\]: Hurray!
BGAmatches [-\]: Tromp looks worried
]
;B[jb]C[Koffein [-\]: zu der diagnose möchte ich einen alten chatlog ausgraben ;-) engelchen [1d\]: ys zählt in 10 sec besser als sum in 1 std 
michka [1d\]: bot escaped
]
;W[mb]C[BGAmatches [-\]: "tromp: "this time I'm relly going to be in time trouble"
Kibo [13k\]: lol
snowmen [4d\]: black n14 is enough to win
chitero [2d?\]: w+0.5
]
;B[mf]C[sum [5d\]: und wer ist ys?
Koffein [-\]: young sun yoon
Larrave [1d\]: hm
gogonuts [5d\]: bestimmt young sun
schmofarz: @Koffein: haskell?
anyone [1k?\]: ysyoon wurde gemeint 
sum [5d\]: soll sie mal beweisen!
Koffein [-\]: hat sie schon ;-)
gogonuts [5d\]: kann ja nicht jeder in 10 sek besser zählen als du in 1 std. :-)
anyone [1k?\]: sum, komm Pfingsten nach Hamburg 
EpicPhail [2k\]: p17?
hexon [3k\]: I wish the owner would put the chat restrictions back on...
Larrave [1d\]: p17 q18
gogonuts [5d\]: im still in awe of p18
gogonuts [5d\]: the shape of things to come
NschoTschi [-\]: chat restriction didnt improve kibbitz#
gogonuts [5d\]: when we will bow before our bot masters
Badduck [5d\]: hugh
LovroKlc [-\]: human win
Larrave [1d\]: white has to live
]
;W[oc]C[sum [5d\]: bad aji keshi
kairos [-\]: yep
Larrave [1d\]: if p17 doesnt work in sente
Badduck [5d\]: bd12? after q18
Larrave [1d\]: its just aji keshi
EpicPhail [2k\]: what is good aji keshi?
]
;B[pb]C[Chilltime [1d\]: ouch
Larrave [1d\]: well good reason for p17 would be to get sente of it
gogonuts [5d\]: if the opponent plays it, its good :-)
sum [5d\]: less bad aji keshi
Larrave [1d\]: but it doesnt look like it
EpicPhail [2k\]: p16
JEGO [7k\]: p17 good idea of extension but dangerous for white
LazyDragon [3k\]: it's good aji-keshe when the opponent does it ;)
bert [2d\]: o15
Chilltime [1d\]: p16 o15
snowmen [4d\]: 2:1
Badduck [5d\]: maybe b j10 ?
NschoTschi [-\]: cannot tenuki?
vannab [2k\]: b's sente
Larrave [1d\]: white destroyed just the big endgame there
]
;W[na]C[glimz [3d\]: still time for bot to fail
Cidragon [5k\]: zippyfear?
BGAmatches [-\]: W has 20 minutes left, B has 70
ibd [5k\]: is it close now? how much % does mf think?
Larrave [1d\]: j10?
]
;B[di]C[Badduck [5d\]: y sometimes theres territory in the center
sum [5d\]: coirrect endgame move
Leibnix [7k\]: supposedly, w was going to storm into the center from k9...
LazyDragon [3k\]: computers usually don't give away a game once they are ahead
sum [5d\]: now W+1,5
Chilltime [1d\]: lol sum
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
Sandmann [5d\]: wannabe bot
JEGO [7k\]: clear that d11 black is to secure a bot black moyo
sum [5d\]: just counted expecting this move
Chilltime [1d\]: ok ok ^^
Chilltime [1d\]: i doubt that you can count every point accuratly this early ^^
Plaxonius [2k\]: h9 ?
RobinUpton [?\]: White A8 any good?
LazyDragon [3k\]: w q17 now?
gogonuts [5d\]: ifg he misses a point for each side that cancels out
Chilltime [1d\]: true ;-)
sum [5d\]: this game not for discussing my counting skills in detail, if you want to discuss it, email me
gogonuts [5d\]: great
seeblick [1k\]: sum has to assume perfect play - so his result may be off just a bit
Chilltime [1d\]: so you mean if he counted both sides equally wrong he is actually right?
bilo65: what does se say?
gogonuts [5d\]: yes sum, how to you factor in their future mistakes?
]
;W[ii]C[JEGO [7k\]: probably white will try to reduce white H10 or something else
Chilltime [1d\]: thats why - - is actually +
NschoTschi [-\]: W is leading
vannab [2k\]: se biased
Chilltime [1d\]: no sum based :-)
glimz [3d\]: yes, SE is also a machine
EpicPhail [2k\]: k11 good for w next
glimz [3d\]: and is rooting for MFOG
]
;B[ih]C[bilo65: what does se say actually? im logged in as guest and have no se
]
;W[ji]C[LazyDragon [3k\]: se is a bad machine when it comes to counting AGA rules ...
Chilltime [1d\]: uh
glimz [3d\]: last time i tried talking to him he didn't reply
Chilltime [1d\]: h11
EpicPhail [2k\]: b+24,5 se
BGAmatches [-\]: W has 17 minutes left, B has 68
LazyDragon [3k\]: SE is useless here
gogonuts [5d\]: b h11
LazyDragon [3k\]: seems like we'll have to count ourselves here
sum [5d\]: k11 better h11
glimz [3d\]: B+37 if you open offline and switch to japanese rules
gogonuts [5d\]: yes
]
;B[hi]
;W[hj]C[glimz [3d\]: but he counts all center as B
JEGO [7k\]: yes this bot creat his territory
glimz [3d\]: which is nonsense
EpicPhail [2k\]: I dont think it is nonsense
ranchani [1d\]: black might win by points
glimz [3d\]: black might wein.. but not with whole cener
gogonuts [5d\]: se can only do jap rules in the late endgame
glimz [3d\]: win*
gogonuts [5d\]: everything else is useless
]
;B[kg]C[Badduck [5d\]: uhh
Sandmann [5d\]: awesome!
anyone [1k?\]: only without seki 
]
;W[dh]C[Hipcio [3d\]: sad
Leibnix [7k\]: but ub early game se works with ALL rulesets
Chilltime [1d\]: no leibnix
Chilltime [1d\]: it works with none
JEGO [7k\]: john trump contest black territory?
]
;B[eh]
;W[bj]C[poet [1k\]: lol, black is a bot?
gogonuts [5d\]: yes
poet [1k\]: so this isn't a championship?
smartrobot [9d\]: really?!
Badduck [5d\]: johns last trump
gogonuts [5d\]: right
Koffein [-\]: b16 
Sandmann [5d\]: yes smartrobot
]
;B[bk]
;W[bi]C[sum [5d\]: not as strong as you ... yet
LazyDragon [3k\]: i'll give us meat lumbs another decade or so ...
LazyDragon [3k\]: though i might never catch up ..
Larrave [1d\]: p17 is going to hurt now
smartrobot [9d\]: oh, i have the feeling that it can beat me in the future
DanielFox [1k?\]: Does anybody know what that is in BGAmatches' account picture?
]
;B[bf]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: smartrobot is there a way for w to win?
]
;W[bg]C[Larrave [1d\]: oh no
Larrave [1d\]: b14 indicator for bad play of bot?=(
Sandmann [5d\]: no its good
JEGO [7k\]: b14 seems misguided for this bot
gogonuts [5d\]: no
Sandmann [5d\]: endgame cheat
glimz [3d\]: Daniel, it's a picture of black
]
;B[bd]
;W[af]C[sum [5d\]: timing a bit early but good move
gogonuts [5d\]: b14 is actually good endgame
LazyDragon [3k\]: bots don't play perfect endgames - they play sufficient endgames
Sandmann [5d\]: sufficient endgame is good
DangerBoy [1d\]: w win
EpicPhail [2k\]: bot wants to win by 0,5
bilo65: why is b14 good endgame?
RobinUpton [?\]: If it's sufficient to win, LazyDragon, it is perfect :-)
LazyDragon [3k\]: a bot doesn't care if he wins by 20 or 1 points
gogonuts [5d\]: if its 0.5 ahead sufficient is the same as perfect :-)
hexon [3k\]: what are the clocks at?
sum [5d\]: b14 makes d19 big
wingnoll [8k\]: w +15 with my 8k yose
ranchani [1d\]: because black d19 
hexon [3k\]: it seems with board and time difference, black has enough
JEGO [7k\]: g10 will be a logical many faces move?
BGAmatches [-\]: W has 17 minutes left, B has 63
]
;B[ae]
;W[ad]C[sum [5d\]: lol
Sandmann [5d\]: lol
Larrave [1d\]: ^^
tiflis: ^^
Sandmann [5d\]: fuuu
ranchani [1d\]: that was no good
gogonuts [5d\]: a15 terrible yose :-)
Larrave [1d\]: so longXD
Badduck [5d\]: haha so much for this
LazyDragon [3k\]: perfect endgame is getting the maximum number of points ...
M2Brett1 [?\]: the software it has bugs
smartrobot [9d\]: is it a tesuji for time?
RobinUpton [?\]: A15 = "Yes I am a bot!"
Unicornz [1d\]: b is attempting time stealing tesuji but is not very good at it
]
;B[ij]C[Rij [2d\]: it was misclick
vannab [2k\]: don't take bots too serious..
]
;W[jj]C[Rij [2d\]: let him undo
Sandmann [5d\]: no smartrobot, it's sudden death 110 minutes
Badduck [5d\]: i like j10
gogonuts [5d\]: that isnt so clear, winning by 0.5 perfectly frustrates your opponent
smartrobot [9d\]: maybe b needs time for  reading =)
smartrobot [9d\]: i see
sum [5d\]: so was b14 endgame plan or MC statistics or being-behind-atari mode?
abcdefg4: b is going to spend 60 minutes on one move now
EpicPhail [2k\]: but b reads the same every time again
]
;B[gj]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: c9
Larrave [1d\]: c9 doesnt work i think
]
;W[ck]C[Larrave [1d\]: O.o
Koffein [-\]: hehe
EpicPhail [2k\]: only hope
gogonuts [5d\]: b will atari on top, then b8
sum [5d\]: b8 better
Larrave [1d\]: b8 i would have
LazyDragon [3k\]: b reads the whole board for each and every move ...
]
;B[dk]
;W[cl]C[Zahlman [1d\]: b8
Leibnix [7k\]: b even reads to the end every move
sum [5d\]: W trying hard 2 lose?
]
;B[bl]C[LazyDragon [3k\]: b6 or something like that?
EpicPhail [2k\]: b has won full stop
]
;W[hk]C[smartrobot [9d\]: maybe bots can beat us soon
CBlue [?\]: :-o
NschoTschi [-\]: u can!
gav1 [3d\]: still long ways to go
BGAmatches [-\]: W has 16 minutes, B has 59
sum [5d\]: not soon but maybe in 15 years
Serjik [5k\]: not before 2050
vannab [2k\]: us, not you
]
;B[do]C[Blitzbold [1d\]: only if they are smart
glimz [3d\]: how many years od you think until bots beat all humans?
CBlue [?\]: in the year 2525
]
;W[dq]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: I only know 1 very good bot - smartro
Leibnix [7k\]: h12?
gogonuts [5d\]: i hope this sudden death schedule isnt wearing john down
glimz [3d\]: i think 15 years from no *at most*
Blitzbold [1d\]: ... if man is still alive
glimz [3d\]: from now* at most
tsiki [2d\]: bots only need processing power, not braings
tsiki [2d\]: so... 2020?
smartrobot [9d\]: maybe in ten years?
LazyDragon [3k\]: it's actually pretty close
Unicornz [1d\]: wanna bet $1000 on that?
glimz [3d\]: i can
koticgood [5k\]: i highly doubt a bot could beat a strong player in 15 years
gogonuts [5d\]: processing power isnt enough, but there will also be algorithmic advances ...
]
;B[dl]C[Koffein [-\]: i wonder if bots will get much stronger by using gpu ..
abcdefg4: i heard todays hardware was more powerful than yesterdays, is that correct?
Serjik [5k\]: go is more than just reading
Cidragon [5k\]: maybe if he can use a super computer 
]
;W[cm]C[LazyDragon [3k\]: what is w doing?
hasty [7k?\]: testing black
Hipcio [3d\]: what is b doing now
BGAmatches [-\]: today's MF platform is twice as fast as yesterday's
]
;B[bm]C[vannab [2k\]: b s5 big
koticgood [5k\]: the algorithms will not let a bot beat a pro or strong amateur in 15 years =p
abcdefg4: thanks for the confirmation!
glimz [3d\]: today's MF platform would have been a supercomputer when the bet was made
]
;W[gi]C[glimz [3d\]: or at least very very powerful computer
]
;B[hh]C[CBlue [?\]: in 5 years we've got magnetic racetrack memory and whatnot.. who knows
LazyDragon [3k\]: w trying to get the e10 beep?
seeblick [1k\]: as soon as bots start programming themselves there will be a massive increase in bot play
]
;W[ej]C[gogonuts [5d\]: double of yesterday, thats moores law on steroids :-)
LSL [11k\]: The bet page says this is EC (amazon cloud) is there anymore details about todays 'hardware' anywhere?
Serjik [5k\]: bots will never be able to programm
schmofarz: cpp can program c
tsiki [2d\]: er, genetic algorithms?
glimz [3d\]: there are programs that program even today
Blitzbold [1d\]: they do - ask your database
]
;B[ei]
;W[gk]C[Leibnix [7k\]: lisp can program lisp
joejoe [5k\]: then the bot will try to overtake the world
Serjik [5k\]: generics are not the same as programming
smartrobot [9d\]: can bots combine searching qifu and some reading to beat us?
tsiki [2d\]: many people would say generic algorithms do programming in some sense
Serjik [5k\]: generics are already programmed by human
Morn: genetic algo, not generics
Blitzbold [1d\]: no - but i fear the day when se becomes self-aware and declares war to humanity
LazyDragon [3k\]: hey, w is played some really nice moves here ...
Leibnix [7k\]: genetics ofc a form of programming
tsiki [2d\]: er, genetix
]
;B[il]C[tsiki [2d\]: argh, genetic
DrZoom [4k\]: I'm a software, and I never reached 3k level so far.
glimz [3d\]: you sure know what you're talking about, Serjik
abcdefg4: trivia contest vs wikipedia bot
Serjik [5k\]: bots do not have creativity and imagination, thus they can not create, so programming by bot is impossible
gogonuts [5d\]: they use kifu patterns to steer their move generators
Asure [-\]: test
Morn: read about evolutionary algos
Leibnix [7k\]: who cares how the program is made?
GroovyM [19k\]: why are players not on list?
LazyDragon [3k\]: h8 now?
]
;W[hl]C[tsiki [2d\]: who says creativity can't be programmed into a bot
gogonuts [5d\]: and they give joseki moves a bonus in their search
Morn: all you need is a goal and some time
Serjik [5k\]: i say
tsiki [2d\]: MC bots come up with some pretty creative moves
Leibnix [7k\]: humans are a creative inventions imho
PatrickTM [19k?\]: why can you say human so different from computer serjik
smartrobot [9d\]: but chess programme also needn't creativity
BGAmatches [-\]: W has 15 mins, B 56
ajahuang [6d\]: which side is ahead?
glimz [3d\]: no need for creativity in order to have various kinds of machine learing/algorithm evolution/etc.
Sandmann [5d\]: because it's chess:)
abcdefg4: genetic or evolutionary algos arent "bots programming bots"
PatrickTM [19k?\]: famous philosopher hobbes compares springs to neurons
CBlue [?\]: let's not derail into philosophical debates ^^
]
;B[rp]
;W[rq]C[tsiki [2d\]: one could make a decent case that they are
Leibnix [7k\]: maybe programming should also be a banned topic on kgs :)
sum [5d\]: what was s3?
CBlue [?\]: that wasnt directed towards you, PatrickTM
NschoTschi [-\]: a move.
tsiki [2d\]: and in 20 years, maybe we have AI's doing simple programming jobs
sum [5d\]: s5!
Allar [5k\]: bots can "steal" creativity from all the many past games of pros
vannab [2k\]: what is fascinating is that go, unlike chess, is so hard for bots
Zahlman [1d\]: s3 = overlooked s5
]
;B[rn]
;W[sp]C[PatrickTM [19k?\]: vannab
klausP [4d\]: s3?
PatrickTM [19k?\]: thats just cause so many possibilities lol
wingnoll [8k\]: p5
CBlue [?\]: anyone can give counts for w and b score?
Blitzbold [1d\]: in fact my computer even today is behaving very weird - as most humans do
vannab [2k\]: not just that..
Leibnix [7k\]: that's what they said about chess compared to checkers
PatrickTM [19k?\]: chess there are 20 possible moves first turn whereas in go there are 19x19
Badduck [5d\]: f10 not big?
gogonuts [5d\]: s6 was so weird
blunderer [4k\]: please anyone, let's stop being stupid
sum [5d\]: tried hard 2 count but they r playing 2 fast, it is close game
]
;B[fj]
;W[fk]C[PatrickTM [19k?\]: plus theres different ways to take and id imagine programming crap like ko and seki is hard
Koffein [-\]: PatrickTM: it´s only about 19x19/8
Serjik [5k\]: no, its not
]
;B[fi]C[Alffys [6k?\]: w+10 now
abcdefg4: only about, good one
gogonuts [5d\]: s6: i have noticed a predilection in mf that borders on a bug, but this is extreme
]
;W[ja]C[gogonuts [5d\]: for hanging connections i  mean
ajahuang [6d\]: black has no chance
Sandmann [5d\]: it makes w p5 less sente
]
;B[sk]
;W[sj]C[LazyDragon [3k\]: strange, i wouldn't have thought that the bot is messing up the endgame
ranchani [1d\]: :O
klausP [4d\]: t9 not good
BGAmatches [-\]: W has 14 mins,, B has 52
ajahuang [6d\]: MFoG plays too fast, I think
klausP [4d\]: 14 mins should be good to win the game
DrZoom [4k\]: bot is playing on time
gogonuts [5d\]: t9: "i am losing, so so what?"
]
;B[nc]
;W[jd]C[tsiki [2d\]: yeah, the time settings of mfgo weren't very optimal
sum [5d\]: W 84 expected mean, B sill counting
]
;B[ke]
;W[ne]C[Leibnix [7k\]: somewhat optimal, but not much
abcdefg4: is the bot allowed to be tweaked between matches?
CBlue [?\]: very close game?
gogonuts [5d\]: it can even be exchanged
klausP [4d\]: Tromp moves fast, he seems konfident?
glimz [3d\]: Tromp doesn't have time
gogonuts [5d\]: good reason to be confident, but also low on time :-)
]
;B[od]
;W[oe]C[glimz [3d\]: why good reason to be confident
glimz [3d\]: it's close game still?
Mukti [4d\]: w should play P19 first.
Mukti [4d\]: Lost some points
Onmyoji [5d?\]: why is everyone watching these 2d play?
abcdefg4: is there going to be some sort of review for these games somewhere?
]
;B[pc]C[Bosaap [8k\]: its a 1000$ man vs machine match
]
;W[hb]C[Koffein [-\]: onmyoji: i´m not watching the game, i just read the kibitz here
sum [5d\]: B 75.5
smartrobot [9d\]: 1000$?
gogonuts [5d\]: is like those ishida joseki commentaries: reasonable for w :-)
sheeryjay [1k?\]: abcdefg4, you are watching the review as the game goes
Sandmann [5d\]: most exciting 2d game ever
klausP [4d\]: jup smartrobot
LazyDragon [3k\]: ahh, i see why the bot is losing - it's not properly motivated!
smartrobot [9d\]: haha
Leibnix [7k\]: lol
Cidragon [5k\]: xD
CBlue [?\]: the ultimate test for cerebral fitness
]
;B[id]
;W[ek]C[Plaxonius [2k\]: hm, I would not mind earning 100$ dollar playing a bot
abcdefg4: i assumed so, i was wondering if there was a "heres where everythingwent sideways" moment
smartrobot [9d\]: me too =)
gogonuts [5d\]: its the other way around: its not properly motivated because its losing
Badduck [5d\]: w g18 not small?
RobinUpton [?\]: W G18
]
;B[cn]
;W[dj]C[Leibnix [7k\]: g18 looks nice
LazyDragon [3k\]: g7 next?
RobinUpton [?\]: Can W G17?
vannab [2k\]: b bad yose
]
;B[ci]C[NschoTschi [-\]: about w+10
]
;W[gb]C[Badduck [5d\]: bot yose
Larrave [1d\]: bot is working on monte carlo does he?
vannab [2k\]: yea
gogonuts [5d\]: b going down in flames
LazyDragon [3k\]: is bot yose always so weak?
LazyDragon [3k\]: it has been a while since i played bots
Larrave [1d\]: thats what i am wondering about bot played strong at least for me
gogonuts [5d\]: not if its winning by a small mnargin
Hipcio [3d\]: b has plenty of space to win by time
]
;B[gc]
;W[ib]C[Larrave [1d\]: but looks like yose always very weak
gogonuts [5d\]: then its yose is good
tsiki [2d\]: no, b is probably just trying to make up the lost points by playing crazy
masek [?\]: no threats
NschoTschi [-\]: how much time is left for w?
Blitzbold [1d\]: bot drunk
Onmyoji [5d?\]: i count w+17.5
Plaxonius [2k\]: e17 for connection ?
masek [?\]: bot is over cpu
]
;B[ic]
;W[ea]C[BGAmatches [-\]: w has 14m, b has 46
gogonuts [5d\]: crappy yose when its losing, basically there is no winning line, so it just fools around
NschoTschi [-\]: thx
LazyDragon [3k\]: ok, sure
abcdefg4: bot is going to spell out profanity with his stones now
]
;B[ac]C[goomba: lol
LazyDragon [3k\]: ^^
Larrave [1d\]: ^^
]
;W[ec]C[Larrave [1d\]: world of ponnuki
Onmyoji [5d?\]: plays like a  kyu
seeblick [1k\]: e13 looks dangerous now
anyone [1k?\]: hehe
Bosaap [8k\]: same when the bot is winning big, almost every move will appear to win then, so it will play more random
psj [3k\]: pretty weak kyo!!
Badduck [5d\]: a17 was really fooling around
tsiki [2d\]: plays like someone hoping the opponent will make a mistake
sum [5d\]: up to a15 bot played like 1d
gogonuts [5d\]: it says "resign me please"
Badduck [5d\]: ^^
tsiki [2d\]: which it basically is
]
;B[ae]C[goomba: e13
BGAmatches [-\]: tromp thinking
abcdefg4: heres where the bot hacks ws facebook page and puts up embarrasing messages
Zahlman [1d\]: fill is ok?
Larrave [1d\]: haha
]
;W[bf]C[Larrave [1d\]: thinking about what
Larrave [1d\]: xD
masek [?\]: b14 =)
masek [?\]: bomber
Plaxonius [2k\]: is that bot capable of resigning ?
sebba: time?
]
;B[ah]C[klausP [4d\]: game over
sum [5d\]: when did 19x19 strength improvement happen? about 3 years ago bots played like 10k on 19x19
masek [?\]: b12 
]
;W[bh]C[abcdefg4: self formating sounds like a decent idea
Mipaline [4k?\]: e 13
Zahlman [1d\]: sum, basically when UCT was tried out
klausP [4d\]: last year, robert
sum [5d\]: not just when UCT came out
LazyDragon [3k\]: isn't w in trouble here?
gogonuts [5d\]: b17 doesnt do anything for b
NschoTschi [-\]: i leave
gogonuts [5d\]: not in trouble
Onmyoji [5d?\]: ok 9d game started
NschoTschi [-\]: MM vc kghin+
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;B[ff]C[sum [5d\]: i played such program and it was 10k on 19x19 but 3d on 9x9
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;W[fd]C[masek [?\]: f16 
masek [?\]: _
BGAmatches [-\]: 2007, the Hungarian paper, was the big breakthrough
sum [5d\]: URL?
Larrave [1d\]: i still dont understand it quite
Larrave [1d\]: for a bot yose should be the easiest part shouldnt it be?
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;B[gd]C[Onmyoji [5d?\]: how good is the computer this program is running on?
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;W[fe]C[LazyDragon [3k\]: twice as fast as last time ;)
EpicPhail [2k\]: twice as good as the one used yestwrday
BGAmatches [-\]: no time to look it up now
gogonuts [5d\]: w time?
glimz [3d\]: it's an amazon ec2 vm, with how much was it 30ish ECU?
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;B[ge]
;W[fp]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: 26
sum [5d\]: maybe you email later or to CG mailing list?
jagman [?\]: e13?
Zahlman [1d\]: e13 g12 e14 
sheeryjay [1k?\]: sum, probably last link on http://senseis.xmp.net/?MonteCarlo  (the RAVE one)
Hannoskaj [?\]: Here the computer has probably little effect: the limiting factor is the memory coming with 32 bits.
Zahlman [1d\]: oh wait, no good
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;B[ee]
;W[fa]C[BGAmatches [-\]: w has13m, b has 41
gogonuts [5d\]: thx
EpicPhail [2k\]: CG mailing list? Computer-Go?
slars [6k?\]: sum: http://zaphod.aml.sztaki.hu/papers/ecml06.pdf
alex01 [1d?\]: now e13 works
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;B[sm]
;W[ro]C[LazyDragon [3k\]: url beginning with zaphod ... must be a mathematician ;)
klausP [4d\]: this should be a save win without trouble now
smartrobot [9d\]: e13?
seeblick [1k\]: very safe win now
alex01 [1d?\]: works
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;B[pn]C[LazyDragon [3k\]: so, just one more and humanity is safe ... for now :)
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;W[li]C[gav1 [3d\]: e13 works?
abcdefg4: skynet rests for another year
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;B[hq]C[Blitzbold [1d\]: skynet... nice
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;W[eo]C[alex01 [1d?\]: e13 is atari, next w f13
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;B[en]C[alex01 [1d?\]: d15 dies
BGAmatches [-\]: pity MF has kept  so much time for stuff that doesn't work
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;W[lh]C[gav1 [3d\]: ah ya ^^
a0bad: whos human whos ki?
BGAmatches [-\]: Darren has resigned for MF
LazyDragon [3k\]: maybe future man vs machine matches should go back to classic timing - 3 day matches
abcdefg4: thanks for the broadcast
anyone [1k?\]: E13 seems to work 
klausP [4d\]: thanks for transmitten the moves!
Serjik [5k\]: 3 day machtes make sense once bots can play 9d on kgs
vannab [2k\]: thx, was fun
ornella [1d\]: escuse me, what is the score of thematch now ?
LazyDragon [3k\]: yes, thanks a lot 
LazyDragon [3k\]: score is w+res
bccwuho [?\]: does zen has an english version now?
Mot [3k\]: thx
Serjik [5k\]: 3:0 i would say
Alffys [6k?\]: w+45...
jagman [?\]: e13 g12 , the aji just disappears
ornella [1d\]: i meant all the matches...
smartrobot [9d\]: why not resign? =)
alex01 [1d?\]: why e13 should dont go?
Plaxonius [2k\]: white has no reason to resign
bikle [5k\]: Was this the last game man/bot ?
sum [5d\]: 1 more
alex01 [1d?\]: after g12 f13
neu [1d\]: next one will be the last
bikle [5k\]: Ok thanks
ornella [1d\]: i was wondering the man/bot score at this time ....
Plaxonius [2k\]: and how is the score so far ?
smartrobot [9d\]: who is w?
tinbert: thx, cu on the next game
sebba: when does next game start? right fter this one?
qgo [3k\]: Tromp won 2nd game?
EpicPhail [2k\]: no matter waht - w plays F13
Onmyoji [5d?\]: bot cant resign?
hwb [?\]: @BGAmatches could you please tell us what harware was used?
bikle [5k\]: 3-0 for John Tromp, 3 games
Plaxonius [2k\]: white is an admin here
LSL [11k\]: why changed to best of 7 from best of 9/10?
BGAmatches [-\]: hwb: Amazon cloud, 26 ECU
ornella [1d\]: bikle, thanks 
EpicPhail [2k\]: smartrobot a 2d player who made a bet 10 years ago
BGAmatches [-\]: players decided best of 7
hwb [?\]: thx
sum [5d\]: sponsor for that cloud or why can it be used?
bikle [5k\]: How long does it take till the next game ?
smartrobot [9d\]: i see
BGAmatches [-\]: next game will start at 14:30
BGAmatches [-\]: in 80 mins
zambiriusz [6k\]: what is 26 ECU?
bccwuho [?\]: how strong is EC2, 26 ECU?
bikle [5k\]: Thanks BGAmatches
EpicPhail [2k\]: ec = 1GHz cpu
BGAmatches [-\]: I'm off to get some lunch now
Onmyoji [5d?\]: b cant win
Plaxonius [2k\]: thanks
Onmyoji [5d?\]: too weak
bccwuho [?\]: thanks
glimz [3d\]: amazon ec2 is just cloud you can buy easily per hour, sum
gogonuts [5d\]: thanks
ornella [1d\]: even if bot lose i think its kind of a demonstration he could win some day
Zahlman [1d\]: how long will bot continue like this until resigning?
abcdefg4: was todays game different than yesterdays? did the increase in power show or did it just end up being faster?
Alffys [6k?\]: Milan vs kghin !
ornella [1d\]: i mean in past i could gave bot 9 stonesand win and now...
t1mguest: that was quick:))
C4Guy: lol
t1mguest: John is a robot...
C4Guy: And a fast one, too :D
t1mguest: :D
lumbar: Is anything going to happen here?
C4Guy: Don't know, but they should be done by now (if they kept up the previous speed)
BGAmatches [-\]: manyfaces resigned long ago
BGAmatches [-\]: nick left for lunch.
C4Guy: This system somehow doesn't work
C4Guy: I've seen move #2 and move #234
t1mguest: me too, me too
C4Guy: Nothing else
Egakudan [16k\]: yeh im confused by his play even for a dan rank player o,o
Egakudan [16k\]: his atari sacricia
Egakudan [16k\]: se strategy
Egakudan [16k\]: is something im interested in
C4Guy: Well, maybe better luck next time
C4Guy: cyas,I'm off
Egakudan [16k\]: nye o.o
Egakudan [16k\]: :P
vijay [?\]: fuck
vijay [?\]: sorry
vijay [?\]: i thought only dan playaz allowed to chat
Vogel [1k?\]: when will next match start?
vijay [?\]: isn't mogo stronger?
Torge: 1600 UTC afaict
Vogel [1k?\]: utc?
Torge: GMT
Vogel [1k?\]: danke
Torge: sry, that was olds 
Torge: timetable is here: http://dcook.org/gobet/index.html
Torge: seems like this was the last match as many faces has lost 3 in a row.
tigro [4d\]: so its far from 2dan for the moment
Vogel [1k?\]: no more games?
Vogel [1k?\]: on the web it is written that a 4:0 should be possible...
Vogel [1k?\]: so its a best out of seven
enoram: is there a result for the third game? Should be over now
enoram: First two games were with many faces on a notebook - third game runs on Amazon Cloud Computing EC2
olafponeta [5k\]: are they playing right now? 
BGAadmin [-\]: black lost
enoram: this is the third match - the fourth is just about to start
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