(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[6600]
PW[Many Faces of Go]PB[John Tromp]WR[2d]BR[2d]DT[2010-12-29]CP[BGA]EV[Man/Machine match]RO[4]PC[ISH, Great Portland Street, London, England]WT["Machine"]BT["Man"]US[N.S.Wedd]C[BGAmatches [-\]: This game won't start for another 25 minutes
BGAmatches [-\]: due to start at 14:30 GMT
BGAmatches [-\]: both players are here - we should start in a few minutes
klausP [4d\]: 3:0 so far
klausP [4d\]: I hope Tromp wins the match, but the match would be more interesting if MF could fight back now.
BGAmatches [-\]: In this round Many Faces is the 64-bit version, using 12G of memory
BGAmatches [-\]: so stronger than this morning
BGAmatches [-\]: unless it has an undetected bug  :(
klausP [4d\]: In the morning the game started with an infight, which is bad for MF
klausP [4d\]: early infights are still a problem for this programm
gogonuts [5d\]: it actually had a fine fuseki this morning
gogonuts [5d\]: but it didnt know why :-)
BGAmatches [-\]: starting very soon
gogonuts [5d\]: it turned the area where it was weakest into a battlezone and got clobered there
BGAmatches [-\]: Darren has almost got MFoG ready to play
BGAmatches [-\]: two minutes - 
BGAmatches [-\]: sorry about the delay
BGAmatches [-\]: clock started
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;B[dp]C[BGAmatches [-\]: star point
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;W[cd]C[klausP [4d\]: again
klausP [4d\]: never change a winning team
]
;B[pd]
;W[pp]
;B[ed]C[gogonuts [5d\]: diagonal hoshi - moyo unfriendly
klausP [4d\]: agressive fuseki
]
;W[ec]C[klausP [4d\]: good choice by Tromp 
klausP [4d\]: he scored his wins in the fights so far
]
;B[dd]
;W[dc]
;B[ce]C[klausP [4d\]: here the simple f17 was fine too, instead of d16
klausP [4d\]: MF can probably make use of the joseki database now
gogonuts [5d\]: straying into large avalanche territory would probably get mf burried under the snow
klausP [4d\]: why?
gogonuts [5d\]: so many critical variations
klausP [4d\]: with a good databes this is no problem
gogonuts [5d\]: its like taisha, endless
BGAmatches [-\]: some problem with MFoG running in its cloud
BGAmatches [-\]: Darren is killing the process and will restart it
klausP [4d\]: just choose from Pro games you got in the databes... 
klausP [4d\]: but u are so right, the variations killed the bot immediately, lol
gogonuts [5d\]: got lost in the avalanche right away :-)
BGAmatches [-\]: MFoG is running again
]
;W[fc]C[klausP [4d\]: here we go, large avalance
gogonuts [5d\]: also, an mc bot doesnt just play database variations, but adjusts its priors
whatisgo [2d\]: mister faces is sick?
BGAmatches [-\]: was sick
BGAmatches [-\]: somehow it detected an illegal move
BGAmatches [-\]: anyway it's happy now
klausP [4d\]: lets see, I dont think loooong josekis favor humans
]
;B[jp]C[klausP [4d\]: but maybe this is a chessplayers atitude
gogonuts [5d\]: playable
klausP [4d\]: funny, but possible tenuki
]
;W[dm]C[klausP [4d\]: b has stones on the outside, so they can always be seen as forcing stones
gogonuts [5d\]: the way to finish up the corner for w is b16, but thats just not a bot move :-)
klausP [4d\]: Tewari: lets pretend w made a wide shimari with c16 and f17....
klausP [4d\]: and then b played his stones as forcin moves
Shanti [2d\]: white b15 is some kind of joseki too - then white f16 instead of f17
Shanti [2d\]: but there the ladder works
]
;B[ck]C[klausP [4d\]: maybe Tromp is not too familiar with the large avalance too and wants to avoid it
]
;W[cq]C[gogonuts [5d\]: oops
gogonuts [5d\]: first mistake
klausP [4d\]: why?
gogonuts [5d\]: c4 is great for b
klausP [4d\]: c4 d3 and then?
gogonuts [5d\]: d7 and c3 dont cooperate
Sandmann [5d\]: this is usually too early and d7 c9 would become a bad excahgne too
klausP [4d\]: why?
klausP [4d\]: you think bc4 wd3 be3 we4 is good for black?
gogonuts [5d\]: yes
klausP [4d\]: sure?
gogonuts [5d\]: yes
Sandmann [5d\]: hmmm
klausP [4d\]: I guess I should retire
gogonuts [5d\]: not sure it will turn out that way but its clearly overplay
]
;B[cp]C[Sandmann [5d\]: usually there are no stones at k4 and c9 for that shape
klausP [4d\]: "clearly overplay" - now I am sure I should retire
gogonuts [5d\]: c9 and k4 would help in such a violent fight
]
;W[dq]C[gogonuts [5d\]: even e4 is good for b
Shanti [2d\]: I think c9 will help black and d7 won't bother him that much
gogonuts [5d\]: but i recommend e3
klausP [4d\]: lets see If tromp is eager to play e3
]
;B[eq]C[klausP [4d\]: MF played c3 rather fast is seems
klausP [4d\]: c3 is not a MC move
BGAmatches [-\]: Tromp has been reading "Strategic Concepts of Go"
klausP [4d\]: so I conclude its a databes move
BGAmatches [-\]: it is on the table now,closed of course
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
klausP [4d\]: he is reading during the match too? lol
Shanti [2d\]: is it a good book?
]
;W[er]C[Shanti [2d\]: double hane?
gogonuts [5d\]: no
gogonuts [5d\]: nobi
]
;B[fq]C[Shanti [2d\]: oh :(
gogonuts [5d\]: respect d7
klausP [4d\]: "basic concepts in the sicilian devense" is a better book....
]
;W[fr]
;B[gq]C[klausP [4d\]: lets evaluate: k4 is not well placed
]
;W[pf]C[klausP [4d\]: I am not even sure if the d7-c9 exchange is so good for b
gogonuts [5d\]: k4 makes c3 playable, but only without d7
gogonuts [5d\]: i am
klausP [4d\]: gogo, would you answer d7 at c9?
gogonuts [5d\]: d7 much to close to thickness
klausP [4d\]: ok, I wouldn't play d7, right
Werfeus [4d\]: desperate cheering for mfog if trying to say something positive of c3
gogonuts [5d\]: just add w b4,b5,b3,c6 - the normal fuseki
klausP [4d\]: Werfeus got me
gogonuts [5d\]: then you see how useless d7 is
klausP [4d\]: but w wont add that!
klausP [4d\]: he will later try something like d9
gogonuts [5d\]: and if w doesnt then b get b3 + connect in sente wher w usually would have played in sente, also bad
klausP [4d\]: not so bad
]
;B[nc]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: why are they playing the high kakari so often in the match?
]
;W[qd]C[tourmaline [2d?\]: how does mfog evaluate the position now?
BGAmatches [-\]: B has used 10 minutes, W also 10
]
;B[qc]
;W[qe]C[klausP [4d\]: not "they" are playing high kakari - Mf is
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;B[rc]C[klausP [4d\]: did Tromp use a single hig kakari?
]
;W[qj]C[klausP [4d\]: time for f16
gogonuts [5d\]: now offering tha avalanche with f16 looks good
]
;B[bq]C[klausP [4d\]: I was faster
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;W[br]
;B[bp]
;W[gr]
;B[hr]C[gogonuts [5d\]: lol
]
;W[hq]
;B[ir]C[klausP [4d\]: puh
]
;W[ep]C[klausP [4d\]: j3 would be a shock
BGAmatches [-\]: j3 was my misclick
klausP [4d\]: see, where b3 got b? by trying to get w to answer at a2, b was forced into bad shape with h2
gogonuts [5d\]: there wa sno need to hurry b3, as is wasnt attractive for w
klausP [4d\]: of course w will skrew up by letting b kill c3, judging from the last games...
BGAmatches [-\]: B has used 15 minutes, W 14
gogonuts [5d\]: e5
klausP [4d\]: I would not cut immediately but rather sit back and live with a2
klausP [4d\]: I b defends, w got sente, if not, w can use the aji later
]
;B[fo]C[gogonuts [5d\]: yikes
klausP [4d\]: äh, w e5 and then???
]
;W[cl]C[klausP [4d\]: can someone find a variation for b after e5 instead of c8?
]
;B[dk]C[gogonuts [5d\]: against e5 b would have played b7
gogonuts [5d\]: wow
klausP [4d\]: b is confident
klausP [4d\]: maybe he will just sacc c4
klausP [4d\]: seems ok
gogonuts [5d\]: not a great plan after playing h2 to force w to answer
]
;W[fm]C[Werfeus [4d\]: f7 :(
gogonuts [5d\]: ???
klausP [4d\]: hm
klausP [4d\]: b+
gogonuts [5d\]: weak w move
]
;B[en]C[klausP [4d\]: next, a2 kills
gogonuts [5d\]: a letdown for us kibitzes
]
;W[em]
;B[ar]C[klausP [4d\]: c8 and f7 are 10k moves as a combination
gogonuts [5d\]: looks like i have to find something else to do this afternoon
]
;W[hm]C[klausP [4d\]: :(
EpicPhail [2k\]: if w e5 earlier does the loose ladder not work?
klausP [4d\]: Tromp will make it interesting. maybe
EpicPhail [2k\]: e5 e6
gogonuts [5d\]: no
EpicPhail [2k\]: tromp played high kakari in the first game klaus
gogonuts [5d\]: e5 cant be caught
gogonuts [5d\]: try it out
]
;B[nq]C[klausP [4d\]: thx ep
]
;W[np]
;B[op]
;W[oo]
;B[oq]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: true but sacrificing c4 in sente gives a huge b wall for 4 stones
BGAmatches [-\]: B has used 21 minutes, W 19
EpicPhail [2k\]: but you are right of course
]
;W[cg]C[gogonuts [5d\]: cool challenge
klausP [4d\]: ?
klausP [4d\]: b15
]
;B[eg]C[klausP [4d\]: d14
]
;W[pq]C[gogonuts [5d\]: c13 is interesting, because the real fight is between d9 and f7
EpicPhail [2k\]: g8 too crude?
gogonuts [5d\]: feel crude :-)
gogonuts [5d\]: s
gogonuts [5d\]: right now b prob want to avoid w n3
]
;B[po]C[Vador [4k?\]: Is this absolute time ?
gogonuts [5d\]: the fighting way to avoid it :-)
gogonuts [5d\]: yes
EpicPhail [2k\]: 3:0 lead = no fear :-))
gogonuts [5d\]: exactly :-)
EpicPhail [2k\]: vador sudden death
]
;W[no]C[gogonuts [5d\]: behind, also no fear :-)
EpicPhail [2k\]: q2? or r5?
]
;B[qo]C[gogonuts [5d\]: looks ok
EpicPhail [2k\]: s4
EpicPhail [2k\]: or q2
]
;W[mq]C[gogonuts [5d\]: oops
]
;B[pr]C[gogonuts [5d\]: didnbt want b n3 :-)
EpicPhail [2k\]: game over already?
gogonuts [5d\]: but w cant win a semeai with J2
BGAmatches [-\]: Tromp: "this cannot make him happy"
]
;W[di]C[gogonuts [5d\]: make it makes mf happy to make john happy
EpicPhail [2k\]: ok it is getting messy now
Vador [4k?\]: Do someone know how MonteCarlo and dumb reading are balanced in MFoG and other modern programs ?
gogonuts [5d\]: just jump
BGAmatches [-\]: B has used 26 mins, W 25
EpicPhail [2k\]: f9
gogonuts [5d\]: mc is dumb reading :-)
]
;B[ej]C[klausP [4d\]: d11 might be the last fight MF will get in this game
Vador [4k?\]: Don't remember the exact word :-)
gogonuts [5d\]: w f12
klausP [4d\]: like in the last game, Tromp has lots of points already
]
;W[ei]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: at least w the hope here that b can make a blunder
klausP [4d\]: e10 better at f9 immo
]
;B[fi]C[gogonuts [5d\]: yes
klausP [4d\]: tough choice
gogonuts [5d\]: this fight is dangerous for b
klausP [4d\]: indeed
EpicPhail [2k\]: b should try to make the game calm to keep his advantage
Vador [4k?\]: John Tromp is 1k, right ?
EpicPhail [2k\]: now everything can happen
klausP [4d\]: actually I cant see b winning this fight after Wf12 B e12
gogonuts [5d\]: no, strong 2d
BGAmatches [-\]: Tromp is strong 2d
EpicPhail [2k\]: john tromp is strong european 2d
klausP [4d\]: Tromp is a strong 2d
]
;W[fh]C[gogonuts [5d\]: what is tromp? :-)
Vador [4k?\]: Dutch 1k, says http://dcook.org/gobet/index.html
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;B[eh]C[klausP [4d\]: he was 1k when he made the bet 13 years ago
BGAmatches [-\]: he was once
EpicPhail [2k\]: 10 years ago 1k
Vador [4k?\]: Oh !
klausP [4d\]: ohoh
klausP [4d\]: here comes the fight
]
;W[fj]
;B[gi]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: somehow w can get some nice center wall maybe?
Vador [4k?\]: "Strong 2d" meaning he could beat "Weak 8d" ? :-)
klausP [4d\]: lets see what Tromp prepared
EpicPhail [2k\]: ok he cannot
BGAmatches [-\]: B answers at once,he has this all read out
gogonuts [5d\]: looks more like w side territory
gogonuts [5d\]: e9?
EpicPhail [2k\]: c11?
]
;W[gg]C[klausP [4d\]: oh
gogonuts [5d\]: oops
klausP [4d\]: unexpected side
BGAmatches [-\]: B has used 32 minutes, W 29
klausP [4d\]: f10 is important, f12 is not
gogonuts [5d\]: how silly of us to think that b might get the influence
EpicPhail [2k\]: ok this is a battle for the whole side - b better wins it
klausP [4d\]: how silly of us tho think w might win a battle
EpicPhail [2k\]: lol
BGAmatches [-\]: as this morning, Tromp started with 110 minutes and MF with 125, to allow for opertor's overhead
EpicPhail [2k\]: c12?
gogonuts [5d\]: d12
]
;B[ci]C[gogonuts [5d\]: b wants the whole pie
EpicPhail [2k\]: both failed at bingo
]
;W[dh]C[klausP [4d\]: still complicated
EpicPhail [2k\]: nose tesuji glancing for w
gogonuts [5d\]: said in his kindergarden evaluation: doesnt share well
klausP [4d\]: d14 looks like shape, but this is a reading contest
]
;B[ch]C[gogonuts [5d\]: c14 looks like shape, but doesnt work :-)
]
;W[dg]
;B[ef]C[klausP [4d\]: c14 never looked like shape to me, snif
gogonuts [5d\]: it gave w the nose suji at e14 and so was unpolayable
]
;W[bd]C[klausP [4d\]: I saw that , juhu
gogonuts [5d\]: the way he played he got the important point of e14 himself
klausP [4d\]: but d14 would have prevented e14 too
BGAmatches [-\]: B has used 33 minutes, W 30
klausP [4d\]: and saveguarded the cut at d15
EpicPhail [2k\]: c14 now?
gogonuts [5d\]: yes but it wasnt exactly dynamic :-)
EpicPhail [2k\]: but then w d10 might work
gogonuts [5d\]: this could go really wrong for b
EpicPhail [2k\]: b cannot win this fight
klausP [4d\]: why not?
klausP [4d\]: replay the last games...
gogonuts [5d\]: he might win it
EpicPhail [2k\]: w d10 w c10 and cut + b13 
gogonuts [5d\]: play b15 and pray :-)
klausP [4d\]: lets asume b15 for a start
gogonuts [5d\]: and dont forget the praying
klausP [4d\]: of course
klausP [4d\]: bots are still rather bad at praying I heared
gogonuts [5d\]: such atheists
gogonuts [5d\]: they dont even pray in foxholes, i've heard
EpicPhail [2k\]: b should gave up the stones at e14 for now and concentrate on f7 so play f9
EpicPhail [2k\]: maybe g14 first to use the aji
]
;B[be]C[klausP [4d\]: g14 seems to lose the c9 stones in exchange for f12
Suteishi [5d\]: you would first make the group bigger than sacrifice it? :)
Swifft [3d\]: praying variant
BGAmatches [-\]: B has used 38 minutes, W 31
EpicPhail [2k\]: sacrifice it temporarly
]
;W[bh]
;B[bi]C[klausP [4d\]: "almighty goo of go, please forgive me my sins..."
EpicPhail [2k\]: but increasing the aji and potential running out possibilities first
klausP [4d\]: b14 now?
]
;W[bf]C[Suteishi [5d\]: Epic, you mean trying to get everything
EpicPhail [2k\]: ok do not be too greedy b
snowman [-\]: it is not only a semeai, it is the ultimate fight between man and machine
gogonuts [5d\]: w will go for b9 next
gogonuts [5d\]: this is ugly
EpicPhail [2k\]: I am ok to lose the group later
EpicPhail [2k\]: but at least not so easily
klausP [4d\]: can b capture e7 as an exchange?
EpicPhail [2k\]: i want to run out with e9 to attack f7
Suteishi [5d\]: f7 group quite resiliant
snowman [-\]: i think a14 is ok for black
Suteishi [5d\]: so making a big sacrifice to attack a resiliant group is imo a losing strategy
EpicPhail [2k\]: yes but at the moment b is in a disadvantageous position anyway - so he has to decide which group he loves more
klausP [4d\]: Remember : gogonuts [5d\]: looks like i have to find something else to do this afternoon
]
;B[fk]C[klausP [4d\]: klausP [4d\]: Tromp will make it interesting. maybe
klausP [4d\]: loong ago chat
EpicPhail [2k\]: lol
]
;W[ae]
;B[gl]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: why not a16 first for b?
EpicPhail [2k\]: tromp chose a similar strat like me
humility [4d\]: actually even with this big loss i feel b has a good game
gogonuts [5d\]: now b is fine again
gogonuts [5d\]: w had to move f10
]
;W[gm]C[humility [4d\]: yes that is the miss!
EpicPhail [2k\]: g14?
EpicPhail [2k\]: or is it overplay right now?
EpicPhail [2k\]: maybe L6 first
EpicPhail [2k\]: o5 vs f7 split
humility [4d\]: running out at top seems ill-advised
gogonuts [5d\]: solid
gogonuts [5d\]: g12
humility [4d\]: b can gain nothing with it
EpicPhail [2k\]: q9 to prepare the splitting attack?
]
;B[jm]C[gogonuts [5d\]: direct cap also good
]
;W[il]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: j10
gogonuts [5d\]: g12
gogonuts [5d\]: make w eat those stones
]
;B[kk]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: aji keshi?
BGAmatches [-\]: B has used 45 mins, W 34
gogonuts [5d\]: the stones are of little value after a15
]
;W[jj]C[Dennett [6d\]: really
gogonuts [5d\]: and if w gets j13 you cant make use of them anymore
EpicPhail [2k\]: g13 is also "weak" - at least not very strong
gogonuts [5d\]: soon w wont answewr g12 at f13 anymore
EpicPhail [2k\]: h13
humility [4d\]: go is not a simple game, it seems.
gogonuts [5d\]: it drives one into humility
EpicPhail [2k\]: q9?
EpicPhail [2k\]: or p8?
Suteishi [5d\]: i so disagree with this direction
gogonuts [5d\]: left side is importnt
]
;B[hg]C[Suteishi [5d\]: i mean what B is doing
humility [4d\]: hehe i mean always have to make decisions. then later you can see if it was aji keshi or good forcing 
Swifft [3d\]: h12?
Suteishi [5d\]: he forces W to attack his own weak group
gogonuts [5d\]: h13 was prob best right now
Suteishi [5d\]: yea at this point
]
;W[gf]C[gogonuts [5d\]: add g12
EpicPhail [2k\]: yes game is much better for b right now
]
;B[gh]C[gogonuts [5d\]: next add j12
BGAmatches [-\]: B has used 53 mins, W 37
Swifft [3d\]: is it possible to cut?
humility [4d\]: im staring at k9 all the time
Swifft [3d\]: b already alive?
]
;W[hh]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: lol at MFOG
humility [4d\]: interesting!
gogonuts [5d\]: i guess he had to cut
gogonuts [5d\]: j12 just too good for b otherwise
EpicPhail [2k\]: h11
EpicPhail [2k\]: j8 looks dead now
Suteishi [5d\]: humility, same as w is k8
]
;B[hj]C[humility [4d\]: yes that is the problem :)
humility [4d\]: somehow messy now
]
;W[jl]
;B[kl]C[newlife [3d\]: wow so fast
EpicPhail [2k\]: just grab p5 like tasty fruits
]
;W[km]C[gogonuts [5d\]: h10 shows a certain nastyness :-)
EpicPhail [2k\]: and let f7 run for life
EpicPhail [2k\]: k6
]
;B[lm]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: preparing p8 sort of move
]
;W[kn]
;B[jn]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: can j2 get into trouble?
]
;W[ko]
;B[jo]C[gogonuts [5d\]: almost not
BGAmatches [-\]: B has used 50 minutes, W 40
gogonuts [5d\]: now clearly not
EpicPhail [2k\]: is b playing with a big smile on his face?
BGAmatches [-\]: B looks anxious
gogonuts [5d\]: he has all the tromps
EpicPhail [2k\]: lol
]
;W[ig]C[Suteishi [5d\]: hmmm.... cut?
gogonuts [5d\]: damn, that ladder works :-)
EpicPhail [2k\]: h8
gogonuts [5d\]: j12
humility [4d\]: k9
gogonuts [5d\]: k9 is the original b threat, but its risky
humility [4d\]: do it!!
humility [4d\]: :)
EpicPhail [2k\]: kill o5
gogonuts [5d\]: j12,h14,j11
gogonuts [5d\]: continue bargaining
EpicPhail [2k\]: h8 to increase eyeshape
EpicPhail [2k\]: and kill with p7 or something like that
BGAmatches [-\]: B has used 54 mins, W 40
]
;B[mk]C[gogonuts [5d\]: wow
Hipcio [3d\]:  no
gogonuts [5d\]: that looks wrong
]
;W[ij]C[gogonuts [5d\]: serving J10 on a platter like that is a blunder
humility [4d\]: b needs to live now
Suteishi [5d\]: huh? B played N9?
humility [4d\]: he probably hoped for w tenuki :)
EpicPhail [2k\]: h8 or b9?
gogonuts [5d\]: he did :-)
Suteishi [5d\]: that can't be right
humility [4d\]: special bot strategy
gogonuts [5d\]: that was my feeling too :-)
Suteishi [5d\]: W making a comeback
EpicPhail [2k\]: a12 probe?
gogonuts [5d\]: h9 looks safe atleast
]
;B[bk]C[humility [4d\]: well 
]
;W[om]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: ok n9 vs p7
gogonuts [5d\]: not ok
humility [4d\]: still not really a bad game for b 
EpicPhail [2k\]: n6 to kill L5?
Hipcio [3d\]: mf toying with b ;)
humility [4d\]: of course much worse than 4 moves ago
gogonuts [5d\]: not toying with b
gogonuts [5d\]: b had a huge led
gogonuts [5d\]: w just got back into the game
gogonuts [5d\]: lead
humility [4d\]: q9
EpicPhail [2k\]: q9 is really messy
Suteishi [5d\]: B was way too eager to end this
gogonuts [5d\]: b needs a plan now
EpicPhail [2k\]: n6 looks nice
Suteishi [5d\]: n6 just helps W
Suteishi [5d\]: please fix your shape
humility [4d\]: o7 in preparation of q9 :)
gogonuts [5d\]: i would try q10
gogonuts [5d\]: halfway sacrificing
gogonuts [5d\]: and halfway attacking
]
;B[nm]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: prepares m5
gogonuts [5d\]: ok - no sacrifice :-)
BGAmatches [-\]: B has 59 minutes left, W has 82
humility [4d\]: ´m5 not ambitious enough :)
EpicPhail [2k\]: much later he has k17 ladder breaker
snowman [-\]: allowing q6 is slightly dangerous
gogonuts [5d\]: now mf needs a plan :-)
]
;W[qq]C[snowman [-\]: aah
]
;B[qr]C[snowman [-\]: it didn't know about p2/q2 aji
snowman [-\]: p2/r2
gogonuts [5d\]: it knew about r3 aji :-)
EpicPhail [2k\]: very exciting game
]
;W[rq]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: wants n2 in sente
]
;B[rr]C[gogonuts [5d\]: not just
gogonuts [5d\]: wants to poison b p6
Vador [4k?\]: The bot doesn't "want" !
gogonuts [5d\]: it takes :-)
EpicPhail [2k\]: sure he has wishes dreams and hopes like every human
snowman [-\]: electric sheep
]
;W[pn]
;B[lp]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: exchange?
Suteishi [5d\]: dont let B connect
gogonuts [5d\]: w will keepL5, thank you
gogonuts [5d\]: m5
BGAmatches [-\]: B has 47 mins left, W has 77
]
;W[qn]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: m4 at m5 seemed better, right?
gogonuts [5d\]: dunno
EpicPhail [2k\]: n4
]
;B[mp]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: b is fine
gogonuts [5d\]: yes
EpicPhail [2k\]: count?
humility [4d\]: its ok, but...
humility [4d\]: w is catching up
]
;W[fg]C[gogonuts [5d\]: good cut for b
humility [4d\]: in territory
EpicPhail [2k\]: yes f13 big
gogonuts [5d\]: i dont approve of r6
]
;B[ro]C[humility [4d\]: and i dont approve of s5 :)
MXHero [3d\]: l17 looks very big
gogonuts [5d\]: m17 is ws case
gogonuts [5d\]: in
EpicPhail [2k\]: yes top was bigger
MXHero [3d\]: last chance to use the e14 stones
]
;W[mo]
;B[lo]C[gogonuts [5d\]: uh oh - ko threat time?
EpicPhail [2k\]: b has won
EpicPhail [2k\]: he cannot lose any more
]
;W[mn]
;B[ln]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: all his groups are fine and he already has more secure territory than w can ever make
Unicornz [1d\]: this robot revolution is turning out to be really disappointing
EpicPhail [2k\]: next year he has to play vs zen :-)
gogonuts [5d\]: just bad luck for darren that they bet on 10 years when he needed 11
]
;W[bl]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: lol at gogo
neu [1d\]: i thought mfog won the computer world championship?!
EpicPhail [2k\]: d10
]
;B[ah]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: a12 risky?
EpicPhail [2k\]: or hoping for ablunder?
snowman [-\]: fighting spirit
]
;W[bg]
;B[kc]C[BGAmatches [-\]: B has 44 mins left; W has 71
EpicPhail [2k\]: g10 can kill?
]
;W[hf]
;B[al]
;W[ak]
;B[aj]
;W[hp]
;B[go]
;W[bm]C[BGAmatches [-\]: MFoG thinks 65% winning chance
humility [4d\]: interesting!
EpicPhail [2k\]: for the bot??
BGAmatches [-\]: yes
BGAmatches [-\]: 35% to black
EpicPhail [2k\]: after d9 it is back to 20%
humility [4d\]: hehe
EpicPhail [2k\]: d10
snowman [-\]: "i might win!"
EpicPhail [2k\]: g10 maybe better
BGAmatches [-\]: B has 40 moins left; W has 66
BGAmatches [-\]: minutes, not months
]
;B[bn]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: b6 is nice
solune [2k\]: i bet MFoG thinks e2 lives
EpicPhail [2k\]: i bet he thinks he can make a semeai or semedori
]
;W[cn]C[Vador [4k?\]: 40 minutes left, and half the board empty !
EpicPhail [2k\]: b5
]
;B[bo]C[Vador [4k?\]: B9 almost dead ?
moi [3d\]: nope
moi [3d\]: b9 alive
EpicPhail [2k\]: b choses a good miai strategy to make life so that b has to calculate all options again and again instead of playing g10 for example
humility [4d\]: almost dead = alive so yes :)
moi [3d\]: two eyes or connection
Vador [4k?\]: A7 and C10 miai ?
]
;W[do]C[moi [3d\]: yes
]
;B[eo]C[humility [4d\]: if w were a human this would be desperate moves.
Vador [4k?\]: MonteCarlo leads to desperate moves :-)
EpicPhail [2k\]: i think they are also already desperate for the bot
BGAmatches [-\]: Tromp: "struggle for sente"
EpicPhail [2k\]: what does the bot think % ?
]
;W[rn]C[Vador [4k?\]: Back home with his wife ?
EpicPhail [2k\]: t3
humility [4d\]: well struggle for sente i dont get. w can tenuki any time and if he plays a7 w has to answer anyways :)
]
;B[on]C[humility [4d\]: *b has to answer
BGAmatches [-\]: B has 36 mins; W has 63
moi [3d\]: t3 doesn't work
]
;W[nn]
;B[mm]C[wade [5d\]: t4 
]
;W[on]
;B[sp]C[BGAmatches [-\]: that move took him a long time?
moi [3d\]: :p
BGAmatches [-\]: even I know that tesuji
gogonuts [5d\]: w has stuff too
EpicPhail [2k\]: BGA 3k?
gogonuts [5d\]: b was thinking about tenuki
humility [4d\]: a valid consideration
moi [3d\]: but that corner is pretty big
moi [3d\]: anyways 
]
;W[sq]C[humility [4d\]: it feels like h17 is bigger
EpicPhail [2k\]: what does MFOG say?
humility [4d\]: or j17
gogonuts [5d\]: also there are two more large areas, top and right - so even if this is only the 3rd largest its ok :-)
humility [4d\]: hehe right gogonuts
]
;B[qh]C[humility [4d\]: if tenuki
EpicPhail [2k\]: haha he wants some fun now
humility [4d\]: he shd tenuki one move early imho
gogonuts [5d\]: he has been fighting like the devil in all 4 games
]
;W[oh]
;B[pi]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: BGA ask him please after the game what was his home score vs Zen
BGAmatches [-\]: B has 34 mins, W has 59
BGAmatches [-\]: home score?
EpicPhail [2k\]: @ home preparation
]
;W[ni]
;B[pj]C[humility [4d\]: dangerous
humility [4d\]: all of this
gogonuts [5d\]: surely p9
]
;W[ok]C[gogonuts [5d\]: s13
EpicPhail [2k\]: just t2 now
]
;B[qk]C[gogonuts [5d\]: no
gogonuts [5d\]: he has to fight
EpicPhail [2k\]: i guess he wants to kill more and is hoping for a blunder
gogonuts [5d\]: hoping to live
humility [4d\]: he has to live this group at least
]
;W[rk]C[humility [4d\]: but
humility [4d\]: should be possible
BGAmatches [-\]: B has 312 minutes, W has 55
BGAmatches [-\]: 31
EpicPhail [2k\]: this trategy was risky - in a 1000$ match I would have played t2 and safely carried the game home
gogonuts [5d\]: atleast no time trouble for b
gogonuts [5d\]: sry
humility [4d\]: :)
]
;B[pk]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: q9
EpicPhail [2k\]: yes
humility [4d\]: i said q9 hours ago
humility [4d\]: finally, vindication
EpicPhail [2k\]: oh nice :-)
]
;W[rl]C[gogonuts [5d\]: o10
]
;B[nj]C[klausP [4d\]: hm b picked another tough fight here
klausP [4d\]: wasnt he leading?
gogonuts [5d\]: and won it
humility [4d\]: yes but he won it and now
humility [4d\]: over :)
humility [4d\]: human ftw
EpicPhail [2k\]: s4
klausP [4d\]: Tromp is a fighter
gogonuts [5d\]: he tromped all over mf
klausP [4d\]: hehe
Trumelunki [4d\]: t2 before s4 
]
;W[mi]C[moi [3d\]: t2 there
EpicPhail [2k\]: i meant s4 for w
]
;B[ol]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: now s4
humility [4d\]: yes w shd t2 too
humility [4d\]: if he wants to capture
EpicPhail [2k\]: oh true
Vador [4k?\]: EviVBulgroZ
]
;W[pl]C[Vador [4k?\]: Don't worry, it happens sometimes
]
;B[sr]C[Pingu007 [3d\]: p10?
moi [3d\]: :p
gogonuts [5d\]: it works
gogonuts [5d\]: b demon
moi [3d\]: greedy black
BGAmatches [-\]: B has 27 mins; W has 51
]
;W[ri]C[gogonuts [5d\]: had to start there
EpicPhail [2k\]: o8
moi [3d\]: now blakc is really comfortable
Trumelunki [4d\]: black is playing mind games against computer
EpicPhail [2k\]: o8 and go for a coffee
humility [4d\]: haha
]
;B[nl]C[humility [4d\]: o8 is sente ?
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
humility [4d\]: not really
gogonuts [5d\]: o8 needed after s11
humility [4d\]: sure 
]
;W[qi]
;B[ph]C[humility [4d\]: i was wondering if w needs to live his group now
humility [4d\]: srsly, humans rule. 
anyone [1k?\]: was Q12 bigger than H17?
EpicPhail [2k\]: ok if the bot is able to count which he probably isn´t he should see he is waaaay to much behind now
]
;W[oi]C[BGAmatches [-\]: bot may still think e2 lives
humility [4d\]: q12 means alot  for thickness/thinness
Trumelunki [4d\]: e2 looks quite easy life and death for bots
Trumelunki [4d\]: certainly can't evaluate as alive
]
;B[oj]C[humility [4d\]: waht does it think about its chances now ?
EpicPhail [2k\]: 25+ points
rats [2d?\]: bot utilizing it's 'suspending disbelief' function
]
;W[iq]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: maybe tromp can kill s8
]
;B[jq]C[BGAmatches [-\]: B has 24 mins; W has 47
moi [3d\]: funny how se still thinks S5 dead
moi [3d\]: ^^
solune [2k\]: trumelunki : this bot showed us in previous games it can considere e2 alive
]
;W[am]C[moi [3d\]: d10
EpicPhail [2k\]: g10
klausP [4d\]: e10
moi [3d\]: e10 there's already a stone
EpicPhail [2k\]: e10 is pro move - only for the skilled
klausP [4d\]: d10 i mean
moi [3d\]: :p
]
;B[hl]C[humility [4d\]: waa
moi [3d\]: unexpected
gogonuts [5d\]: works
]
;W[hk]C[klausP [4d\]: but helps h4
EpicPhail [2k\]: loses h4?
gogonuts [5d\]: now g10
BGAmatches [-\]: MFoG thinks 42%
gogonuts [5d\]: h8 was useful
]
;B[gj]C[humility [4d\]: haha nice i didnt see!
BGAmatches [-\]: but it thinks it's 19.5 behind on territory
]
;W[im]C[humility [4d\]: thx bga
EpicPhail [2k\]: only 19,5?
klausP [4d\]: b sente
EpicPhail [2k\]: h17
humility [4d\]: yes great work on the sente
gogonuts [5d\]: j17 good enough
gogonuts [5d\]: h17 is dangerous
anyone [1k?\]: is S12 sente?
EpicPhail [2k\]: j11 double hane is too nasty overplay but fun?
gogonuts [5d\]: no
gogonuts [5d\]: not sente
gogonuts [5d\]: because w t6 is sente
EpicPhail [2k\]: p13?
]
;B[og]C[gogonuts [5d\]: yes thats good
gogonuts [5d\]: b isnt one to rest on his laurels
]
;W[cs]
;B[dr]C[gogonuts [5d\]: now the bitter truth
solune [2k\]: i won my bet...
klausP [4d\]: maybe w wil res soon?
moi [3d\]: which was?
]
;W[cr]C[moi [3d\]: your bett ^^
]
;B[gs]C[gogonuts [5d\]: those stones are dead
solune [2k\]: W think it's alive
klausP [4d\]: he bettet, w thinks the corner can live
moi [3d\]: ah ok
moi [3d\]: forgot that
gogonuts [5d\]: thats not decided
moi [3d\]: ^^
klausP [4d\]: nice bet, it shows
solune [2k\]: ^^
humility [4d\]: this is monte carlo thinking 
gogonuts [5d\]: just because w plays there doesnt mean he thinks it works :-)
humility [4d\]: hehe
Trumelunki [4d\]: White might just try to make h5 work better
]
;W[ho]
;B[dn]
;W[rh]C[gogonuts [5d\]: but it was always h5 for d6
gogonuts [5d\]: q13
EpicPhail [2k\]: L11
]
;B[of]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: p14 also very strong
Demon [3d\]: l11 seems too deep
BGAmatches [-\]: B has 19 mins; W 43
gogonuts [5d\]: advantage of q13 is that itthreatens s13
EpicPhail [2k\]: w will fall in desperation ko threat mode soon and b will kill h7
]
;W[ic]
;B[rg]C[gogonuts [5d\]: now w still has s14
]
;W[qg]C[gogonuts [5d\]: oops
]
;B[rf]C[gogonuts [5d\]: r13 is a blunder
klausP [4d\]: jup
gogonuts [5d\]: probably already despondend
EpicPhail [2k\]: score update? b+40?
klausP [4d\]: about right
]
;W[kg]C[klausP [4d\]: more then 30
]
;B[jb]C[Demon [3d\]: w has no chance trying to finish this game now.  it seems the use of externalcomputing sources didn't help too much :(
]
;W[mf]C[goIngo [-\]: hi, my manyf thinks 62 % for w here
EpicPhail [2k\]: lol why?
EpicPhail [2k\]: welcome back
Demon [3d\]: 82% chance of loss i hope?
goIngo [-\]: 62, not 82
gogonuts [5d\]: thats somewhat optimistic
Demon [3d\]: 62*
]
;B[pg]C[Demon [3d\]: Don't have my glasses on sorry, but it seems 82% would've been more accuracte for loss, though still not high enough
]
;W[ld]
;B[kd]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: L16 is fighting spirit again
EpicPhail [2k\]: w n17?
]
;W[mc]C[BGAmatches [-\]: B has 18 mins; W 37
]
;B[nd]C[Demon [3d\]: o16 seems a mistake
Swifft [3d\]: ?
BGAmatches [-\]: B is regretting his last move
Demon [3d\]: should have played n18 easy
]
;W[lc]C[goIngo [-\]: 70% w
]
;B[le]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: why did b play risky and not calmly m17 @ L16?
Swifft [3d\]: he knew, MF would make a mistake too
]
;W[me]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: lol
]
;B[md]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: connect under
Demon [3d\]: w should have n16 instead of m17 and he would have b's group
]
;W[ke]C[klausP [4d\]: conncts under is ok
]
;B[mb]
;W[lb]C[klausP [4d\]: but other direction looks better?!
]
;B[la]C[Swifft [3d\]: he is just happy to connect i guess :-)
klausP [4d\]: lol
]
;W[lf]
;B[kb]
;W[le]C[klausP [4d\]: yes, connetc the other way was a little better
EpicPhail [2k\]: h18 or j18?
EpicPhail [2k\]: j18 looks better
]
;B[nb]C[gogonuts [5d\]: b was ahead by 40, now its 30 - still hopeless for w
solune [2k\]: why is t better the other way?
EpicPhail [2k\]: no need to defend at o18
]
;W[pc]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: q15
]
;B[pe]C[gogonuts [5d\]: i think the playouts are being lead astray by the lower corners
EpicPhail [2k\]: astray?
]
;W[oe]
;B[od]C[gogonuts [5d\]: it wins them both in 40%, cumulatively 1 -(0.6*0.6) = 0.64 :-)
goIngo [-\]: 65 % white
]
;W[rd]C[klausP [4d\]: e
klausP [4d\]: despair
EpicPhail [2k\]: where is w´s blind spot goingo?
]
;B[li]C[goIngo [-\]: i can not say from evals
goIngo [-\]: but gogonuts seems to be right
BGAmatches [-\]: B has 15 mins; W has 32
]
;W[ki]
;B[lh]C[whatisgo [2d\]: B+ a lot
]
;W[sd]
;B[qf]C[goIngo [-\]: 65 % started around move 110 and never went much lower
snowmen [4d\]: many faces no dan player
gogonuts [5d\]: yes it is
goIngo [-\]: john makes it look so
goIngo [-\]: others are not so clever
]
;W[mh]C[klausP [4d\]: John is fighting hard
gogonuts [5d\]: multiple unresolved remeais are especially troublesome for todays bots
EpicPhail [2k\]: hard + well
gogonuts [5d\]: semeais
klausP [4d\]: and the long time favors him
klausP [4d\]: he is doing a good job
gogonuts [5d\]: they will find something to improve that
]
;B[hc]C[goIngo [-\]: they have to
goIngo [-\]: john gives them good lessons
gogonuts [5d\]: yes, john fought like a berserker
]
;W[hd]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: h18
]
;B[hb]
;W[ib]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: but it is true he leaves a lot of unfinished semeais like m11 group
]
;B[id]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: w falling into even more pieces
]
;W[ie]
;B[jd]C[BGAmatches [-\]: B has 12 mins, W has 27
EpicPhail [2k\]: does darren or mfog decide when to resign?
goIngo [-\]: 58% for w
]
;W[je]C[BGAmatches [-\]: either of them, or MFoG itself, may resign  :)
klausP [4d\]: darren I guess
]
;B[gd]C[goIngo [-\]: but he will see the % all time
]
;W[fd]C[whatisgo [2d\]: 58% of what?
BGAmatches [-\]: Darren is guided by the %
goIngo [-\]: 54 % white
]
;B[he]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: darren is like 5k?
BGAmatches [-\]: maybe 3k
klausP [4d\]: what, Ingo??
goIngo [-\]: what is your question
klausP [4d\]: 54%white??
goIngo [-\]: mf opinion
anyone [1k?\]: Ingo has a very slow computer ;) 
klausP [4d\]: mf thinks w leads?
]
;W[ql]C[goIngo [-\]: yes, it does
EpicPhail [2k\]: yes w thinking he is winning the whole game - maybe it is a 64bit-bug
klausP [4d\]: thx, nice to know
goIngo [-\]: but it came down from 65 %
]
;B[kh]C[whatisgo [2d\]: evem my calculator knows when he loses...
goIngo [-\]: my machine is 32bit
EpicPhail [2k\]: oh
Demon [3d\]: perhaps if b plays f1 and gives no chance for 2 eyes the % will go down much more?
]
;W[rb]
;B[pb]C[moi [3d\]: ...
klausP [4d\]: yes, Demon
moi [3d\]: weird  S18 ^^
EpicPhail [2k\]: yes play honte moves and show the machine that all b groups are alive
klausP [4d\]: s18 typical MC
goIngo [-\]: sort of showing helplessness
goIngo [-\]: 48 % for w
BGAmatches [-\]: as likely to win as anything else
]
;W[jh]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: r18
]
;B[kj]
;W[sc]
;B[qb]C[moi [3d\]: tenuki
EpicPhail [2k\]: exchange?
moi [3d\]: ^^
BGAmatches [-\]: MFoG 48%
goIngo [-\]: my mf too
EpicPhail [2k\]: k11 was better
goIngo [-\]: now 46
moi [3d\]: he should have tenukied
goIngo [-\]: 45
]
;W[ii]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: f1 plz
klausP [4d\]: Tromp will never play f1
anyone [1k?\]: E19 may be much bigger 
klausP [4d\]: he will not even think about it
]
;B[fa]C[rats [2d?\]: it will get the bot to resign
goIngo [-\]: f19 means almost f1
whatisgo [2d\]: he will if w will play d1 :)
BGAmatches [-\]: B 5 mins W 22
goIngo [-\]: only wrong border
EpicPhail [2k\]: but he does not want to lose on time at move 450
solune [2k\]: and when bot plays d1?
EpicPhail [2k\]: so he should consider some capturing
gogonuts [5d\]: ouch, 5 mins might lose
klausP [4d\]: b will play fast to win and not waste time on thinking about f1
]
;W[ha]C[gogonuts [5d\]: answer
whatisgo [2d\]: d19
]
;B[ga]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: as long as w think he can play like h19 it will be nasty
Demon [3d\]: is this absolute time?
moi [3d\]: yes
BGAmatches [-\]: yes
EpicPhail [2k\]: yes sudden death
moi [3d\]: that is the problem
moi [3d\]: ^^
]
;W[ka]
;B[ja]C[moi [3d\]: MFoG is compltetely lost
]
;W[ma]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: losing on time in this position would be very anticlimatic - I think Darren is gentleman enough to resign before that happens 
]
;B[na]C[whatisgo [2d\]: w has  only about 55-60 points
Unicornz [1d\]: even with $1000 on the line?
gogonuts [5d\]: its bs own fault if he loses on time
BGAmatches [-\]: $2000 in total
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
EpicPhail [2k\]: yes so F1 ! ! !
moi [3d\]: for the winner?
moi [3d\]: yes sorry
]
;W[sg]C[moi [3d\]: not for the loser...
Demon [3d\]: as gogonuts says, b shouldn't have wasted so much time thinking in the end when so far ahead, just play solid and quick
]
;B[sf]C[gogonuts [5d\]: part from the loser, part to the winner :-)
Unicornz [1d\]: he'll be fine
goIngo [-\]: 47% white  falling
]
;W[jr]
;B[kr]C[goIngo [-\]: 45 and falling
EpicPhail [2k\]: and with a non digital clock one cannot see how much time is left so easily
BGAmatches [-\]: B 5mins; W 19
EpicPhail [2k\]: poor BGA when it comes down to hardcore blitz transcribing is no fun
]
;W[hs]
;B[js]
;W[ds]
;B[fs]C[goIngo [-\]: you got your f1
EpicPhail [2k\]: lol
Demon [3d\]: woohoo :)
moi [3d\]: tromp is playing on a computer too?
goIngo [-\]: 41 %
EpicPhail [2k\]: now B s4 and resign
]
;W[lj]
;B[ji]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: oh D10 still an issue
EpicPhail [2k\]: omg ko
Demon [3d\]: if i was b i wouldn't even waste time playing the ko, just take the win and head home with money lol
]
;W[or]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: just sac the stones at 5min time
]
;B[nr]C[gogonuts [5d\]: nothing
]
;W[ns]C[goIngo [-\]: white needs a miracle
EpicPhail [2k\]: no just 5 more min
gogonuts [5d\]: play!
]
;B[os]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: s4 next
goIngo [-\]: the times please
]
;W[mr]
;B[ms]C[gogonuts [5d\]: lol
gogonuts [5d\]: both work
]
;W[ki]C[Unicornz [1d\]: manyfaces trying to signal to darren that it wants to resign
EpicPhail [2k\]: s4
gogonuts [5d\]: d19
BGAmatches [-\]: B 5min W 17
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;B[hn]C[goIngo [-\]: below 40 % w
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;W[ak]C[Demon [3d\]: ?
gogonuts [5d\]: nothing
EpicPhail [2k\]: j6
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;B[in]C[goIngo [-\]: 31 %
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;W[gn]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: m13 d19
Unicornz [1d\]: I wouldn't bet $1000 on those odds
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
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;B[ji]C[gogonuts [5d\]: play c5
whatisgo [2d\]: it resigns only at o ?
EpicPhail [2k\]: omg the ko when d19 is even more points
BGAmatches [-\]: B 4m W 14m
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;W[so]
;B[sn]C[EpicPhail [2k\]: b is silly
BGAmatches [-\]: MFoG resigns
moi [3d\]: yes
EpicPhail [2k\]: good
moi [3d\]: finally
moi [3d\]: ^^
gogonuts [5d\]: i hope s sees that w f6 is sente
EpicPhail [2k\]: congratz another fine day for the human race
anyone [1k?\]: no games tomorrow :( 
gogonuts [5d\]: t6 is time delirium
goIngo [-\]: congratulations to John!
moi [3d\]: congrats
gogonuts [5d\]: ah, over
solune [2k\]: thx
gogonuts [5d\]: congrats to john
goIngo [-\]: at the end it was below 30 % for white
gogonuts [5d\]: fought like a beast
moi [3d\]: so no win for machine
moi [3d\]: ^^
gogonuts [5d\]: beast beat machine :-)
goIngo [-\]: chess players know such score from David Levy
EpicPhail [2k\]: he should do sth with the 1000$ - like spending it for a good organisation to help kids
goIngo [-\]: he won against Cray Blitz in 1986 by 4-0
moi [3d\]: when did deep blue win?
goIngo [-\]: against Levy in 1990 - by 4-0
goIngo [-\]: againast Kasparow in 1997
moi [3d\]: ok
EpicPhail [2k\]: thanks BGA for the nice transciption
moi [3d\]: we've gpt 4 years
moi [3d\]: :p
goIngo [-\]: thanks Nick for the service !
moi [3d\]: thx
gogonuts [5d\]: we dont have to send lee sedol yet :-)
EpicPhail [2k\]: :-)
EpicPhail [2k\]: next time gogonuts has tofight for human race
goIngo [-\]: or ajahuang
sheeryjay [1k?\]: Congratulations to John as well as David Fotland for a really nicely playing bot.
sheeryjay [1k?\]: It is interesting how MFOG played in these games, much less crazy tenuki than I am used to in other UCT-based bots (or at least my experience in past year with them) .. is it MFOG feature (similarly Zen is also less crazy) or some new breakthrough in used algorithms?
BGAmatches [-\]: thanks to gogonuts, goingo, and all the other commentators
EpicPhail [2k\]: is this game in the news on any newspaper or just in nerd forum?
goIngo [-\]: it will be in German Go magazine
BGAmatches [-\]: good
gogonuts [5d\]: the strong mc bots are all playing much nicer fusekis than in the heydays
gogonuts [5d\]: ofcourse sum would disagree :-)
goIngo [-\]: nick, tell Darren that we need the foto for go magazine
BGAmatches [-\]: I guess you ought to ask BGA for copyright permission, but I'm sure it will be granted
goIngo [-\]: best a photo of John, Nick and Darren and bot
goIngo [-\]: all in one
BGAmatches [-\]: Darren has a picture
gogonuts [5d\]: lopsided result, but good matches
goIngo [-\]: ok, thx
EpicPhail [2k\]: how to put the bot on the pic?
goIngo [-\]: the hardware, of couzrse
EpicPhail [2k\]: on the screen?
EpicPhail [2k\]: the hardware is at amazon
BGAmatches [-\]: just the lid of a laptop, I fear
goIngo [-\]: that is enough
BGAmatches [-\]: does anyone have a question for John or Darren? 
goIngo [-\]: a very nice event, thx again to Nick Wedd for hosting it,
BGAmatches [-\]: I can pass ther keyboard over to them
goIngo [-\]: Yes, will they make a new bet?
EpicPhail [2k\]: yes ask john what he thinks about zen
BGAmatches [-\]: john here
goIngo [-\]: congrats!
EpicPhail [2k\]: and what scores he had against zen and MFOG and fuego at home
BGAmatches [-\]: i had a harder time with zen in my practice games
goIngo [-\]: which game was most narrow in this match?
EpicPhail [2k\]: Congratz John!!
BGAmatches [-\]: it is less prone to the computer blunders that you ve seen mf play
BGAmatches [-\]: the 3rd game had me mostg worried
goIngo [-\]: did you feel a difference from the different hardwares?
BGAmatches [-\]: i worried initially in game 1 when crawling, but very quickly turned that around
BGAmatches [-\]: no, i cant tell that mf got much more powerful hard / software#
EpicPhail [2k\]: what about Zen - what was your score against zen at home
BGAmatches [-\]: the game records are under my account
BGAmatches [-\]: 2 with zen, 2 with mf#
goIngo [-\]: in public you had 1-1 against zen
BGAmatches [-\]: and were posted to computer go newsgroup
klausP [4d\]: game still running?
EpicPhail [2k\]: do you think zen is stronger?
BGAmatches [-\]: i had no additional practice
goIngo [-\]: game and matchj over
BGAmatches [-\]: zen is a tougher oppoinent for humans
goIngo [-\]: why did you play weakbot on decenmber 14?
goIngo [-\]: on kgs
BGAmatches [-\]: must ve been bored#that was 9x9?
goIngo [-\]: yes
goIngo [-\]: but why did you play that?
BGAmatches [-\]: just for fun
goIngo [-\]: hmm
EpicPhail [2k\]: did you play the best moves or special moves which might work vs bots - so a normal strategy or a anti-bot strategy?
BGAmatches [-\]: i played like i would any strong opponent
BGAmatches [-\]: normal
goIngo [-\]: did you feel in time trouble in some game?
BGAmatches [-\]: i wanted this match to be representative
klausP [4d\]: do you think, you would have a chance next year too?
BGAmatches [-\]: game 1 or 2 had some time troule, but nothng serious
EpicPhail [2k\]: it would be interesting to see you play next year vs Zen
BGAmatches [-\]: since game was alrd decided
BGAmatches [-\]: i think in 2 yearrs against best program my chances will be very slim
goIngo [-\]: There is one very nice hotel in Maastricht, named Bot-ticelli
goIngo [-\]: maybe you can play some match there
EpicPhail [2k\]: so you did not train especially vs the bots in the past?
BGAmatches [-\]: i will not make any more such bets:)#
goIngo [-\]: a pity
BGAmatches [-\]: very little training
goIngo [-\]: also not, when others stay for your money
goIngo [-\]: when others back you?
BGAmatches [-\]: i might play a match for fun though. just not for $$
EpicPhail [2k\]: what will you do with the money? :-)
goIngo [-\]: David Levy in chess played 3 matches
BGAmatches [-\]: i knew that qst wld pop up:)
goIngo [-\]: one in 1978, winning 3.5-1.5
BGAmatches [-\]: i'll pay  my taxes:)#
goIngo [-\]: one in 1986 winning 4-0
EpicPhail [2k\]: :-)
goIngo [-\]: one loss in 1990 by 0-4
BGAmatches [-\]: ok, nick is back
goIngo [-\]: thx to john for all the answers
EpicPhail [2k\]: ok congratz again and have a nice new years eve and 2011
BGAmatches [-\]: i'll hand this over to darren now.
BGAmatches [-\]: thx all for watching!
goIngo [-\]: how do you feel, darren?
goIngo [-\]: did you learn something in the 2 days?
BGAmatches [-\]: Okay, the result was roughly what we expected
EpicPhail [2k\]: what was the reason you did not chose or could not use zen? 
BGAmatches [-\]: The Zen team were not keen, and I am not familiar with the program to "go solo" with it
BGAmatches [-\]: Also Many Faces has improved quite a lot the past few months
goIngo [-\]: did you think about switching to fuego on day 2?
BGAmatches [-\]: Originally I planned to use Fuego too, but it got too complex for me to handle and I did not think Fuego was as strong as Many Faces
goIngo [-\]: did you have "live" spextators in London?
goIngo [-\]: spectators
BGAmatches [-\]: Of course a linux program would have been easier to deal with than aWindows one!
EpicPhail [2k\]: Are you sad that the result one year later could have been in your favour?
BGAmatches [-\]: Hi Epic; we will need to wait one year to know that. It is not certain.
EpicPhail [2k\]: :-) That is why I asked about his opinion about it :-)
goIngo [-\]: o, thx again for the good show.
goIngo [-\]: Have a nice evening and a good trip home!
anyone [1k?\]: thank you
EpicPhail [2k\]: thank you very much for the exciting battles
EpicPhail [2k\]: all 3 of you
BGAmatches [-\]: Thanks to all for your support. We were pleased it attracted so many viewers. Bye!
daibangvn4 [?\]: res ???
KenyHD [4k\]: who win?
KenyHD [4k\]: ???
KenyHD [4k\]: Who win
KenyHD [4k\]: black?
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