(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]HA[7]KM[0.50]TM[2700]
PW[MyungWan]PB[ManyFaces1]WR[8p]DT[2009-08-07]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]AB[dd][pd][dj][jj][pj][dp][pp]C[ManyFaces1 [-\]: GTP Engine for ManyFaces1 (black): Many Faces of Go version 12 (2008 world champion), playing at level 2 kyu. Uses Many Faces' knowledge combined with Monte Carlo evaluation. Free evaluation download at www.smart-games.com.
]RE[W+Resign]
;W[fq]WL[2689.075]C[jSd [8k\]: lol
jSd [8k\]: joke?
]
;B[dn]BL[2687.319]C[maxp73 [3d\]: jsdddd
fotland [?\]: This is the real game
ibd [9k?\]: gl hf
sempaii [3k\]: wow
jSd [8k\]: oooh
weiqidevil [-\]: yay! 
]
;W[kq]WL[2679.206]C[ben1988 [1k?\]: how strong is this bot?
jSd [8k\]: coupain
JohnyBravo [3k?\]: its been advertised in egr 3 times already
sempaii [3k\]: that bot play today free game
maxp73 [3d\]: x)
goplayer7 [7k?\]: yes
Gaijin [6k\]: go humans!
patrickn [5k\]: 2k apparantly
CookiesX [17k\]: 2kyu
sempaii [3k\]: i bet on bot
goplayer7 [7k?\]: humans ftw
maxp73 [3d\]: GO MYUNG
dresu [-\]: 1 kyu
monk316 [1k\]: this guy is busy
patrickn [5k\]: i bet on human
sempaii [3k\]: GO MANYFACES!
]
;B[pm]BL[2665.139]C[JohnyBravo [3k?\]: they said only 50 moves will be played
maxp73 [3d\]: this is madness
ibd [9k?\]: should be about 1-2d
Vade [2k\]: Resistance is futile
Denniskutl [3d\]: working on super computer?
jSd [8k\]: i bet on manyfaces
Gaijin [6k\]: myung gonna make the bot look like a bot
Onur [4k?\]: Go Myung!
]
;W[dg]WL[2669.828]C[iYokkyuu [2k\]: oh boy
lonsan [1k\]: no johnny, i believe that was just the test game that already finished
iamanovice [8k\]: like 90 people in 2 minutes
boondoggle [8k\]: this isn't madness, it's gooooo
wotan123 [2d\]: i bet on w
Hanezeki [2k\]: bown down to our new machine overlords
]
;B[fd]BL[2647.945]
;W[dl]WL[2666.759]C[Vade [2k\]: a pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting and sweating as you run through my corridors. How can you challenge a perfect, immortal machine? 
eds01 [9k?\]: What's many faces running on?
Denniskutl [3d\]: what is the CPU of the computer?
ibd [9k?\]: 32 cores in 4 machines
ImNoSensei [-\]: vade :)
AuA [12k\]: i7
]
;B[fj]BL[2628.434]C[fotland [?\]: machine time donated by Microsoft
Basum [17k\]: celeron^^
]
;W[fl]WL[2658.658]C[mcw85 [7k\]: Immortal? Pulls plug.
boondoggle [8k\]: vade: i have no mouth and i must scream?
Longshi [-\]: I think MyungWan will outlive the computer actually playing :D
Molybdenum [2k\]: Could Hal9000 beat MyungWan even?
Gaijin [6k\]: bots are good at calculating, poor at perception
Vade [2k\]: boondoggle, system shock 2
Gaijin [6k\]: bot goin down
eds01 [9k?\]: How does ManyFaces work, again?
boondoggle [8k\]: sounds very similar
iYokkyuu [2k\]: does ManyFaces1 run on a super computer?
mcw85 [7k\]: HAL was a chess player.
]
;B[gk]BL[2585.981]C[sea000 [1d\]: what is rank Many?
maldito [4k\]: he is playing against skynet
fotland [?\]: runs on small part of a supercomputer
gord: go silicon
Molybdenum [2k\]: lol
sempaii [3k\]: Many about 1k
Molybdenum [2k\]: skynet
]
;W[fo]WL[2646.427]C[sempaii [3k\]: lol
Reiter101 [-\]: i met white a few weeks ago
terrymac [7k\]: You can review prior games of ManyFaces2 
gavrieltal [9k\]: is this the same pro that was beat against MoGo with 8 stones?
wotan123 [2d\]: go carbon!
burtabel [2d\]: g9 first mistake
Reiter101 [-\]: in korea with two of his students
goplayer7 [7k?\]: is d2 a good move?
terrymac [7k\]: the program is running on a 32-core computer
Reiter101 [-\]: and 50 other pro's
mcw85 [7k\]: Is he nice/
plusguy [-\]: reiter nobody cares
Reiter101 [-\]: lol
Vade [2k\]: terrymac, so it's a ps3?
]
;B[fn]BL[2548.093]C[CookieMon [11k\]: w0
Molybdenum [2k\]: So wait, ManyFaces is like 1k?
]
;W[gn]WL[2639.547]C[terrymac [7k\]: no, it's part of a cluster -- one mo'
evanj [2d\]: yes
sea000 [1d\]: 7stone is too much 4 kim
ibd [9k?\]: with more power it's probably about 2d
jSd [8k\]: w<hy no h9?.
fotland [?\]: ManyFaces runs on 4 cores
Molybdenum [2k\]: pro lost with h9
fotland [?\]: ManyFaces2 games last night are on 32 cores
evanj [2d\]: ah, mr. manyfaces himself
Molybdenum [2k\]: with 800 core though
Basum [17k\]: is myung kim ?****
Gaijin [6k\]: keep in mind myung is 8d pro
XSpanier [1k\]: even i win with 9hc against a pro..
]
;B[gm]BL[2507.007]
;W[en]WL[2634.306]C[Gaijin [6k\]: which is more advantage than 8d
eds01 [9k?\]: How does it work, though?  Alpha-beta pruning, UCT, etc?
CookieMon [11k\]: wow
patrickn [5k\]: monte carlo
patrickn [5k\]: i believe 
sempaii [3k\]: w think
shinigami [3d?\]: don't knock comp go
shinigami [3d?\]: it beat tartrate
sempaii [3k\]: that will be easy?
]
;B[fm]BL[2485.981]C[burtabel [2d\]: yes many faces is mote carlo
Denniskutl [3d\]: this would be more fun if it was 9x9
]
;W[em]WL[2632.413]C[CookieMon [11k\]: computer go is being developed faster than i think
eds01 [9k?\]: UCT, then?
ibd [9k?\]: not really uct
Vade [2k\]: cookiemon, slow thinker, huh?
patrickn [5k\]: whats uct stand for (im an algos guy not AI)
ibd [9k?\]: but it has trees
fotland [?\]: UCT + monte carlo (light playouts), biased by Many Faces old knowledge based move generator
]
;B[gl]BL[2465.23]C[Gaijin [6k\]: bot is a collection of regergatated collection of human moves
]
;W[eo]WL[2629.492]C[Koreangrl8 [2k\]: what is the special occasion.?
eds01 [9k?\]: Upper confidence bounds applied to trees, IIRC
derPlumps [3d\]: ouch, black's play :(
Reiter101 [-\]: testing the bot again
CookieMon [11k\]: i mean
Koreangrl8 [2k\]: ah
patrickn [5k\]: ohhh ok
fotland [?\]: doing about 3 million full games for each move played
eds01 [9k?\]: Basically, it plays out a lot of random games
burtabel [2d\]: oooh g8 very bad
Larrave [3k\]: corner looks badly damaged
sempaii [3k\]: i got b +0.5
goIngo [-\]: US Go Congress
sempaii [3k\]: i bet*
eds01 [9k?\]: and keeps a tree in memory of how the moves are, and looks at the better moves more often
]
;B[hn]BL[2428.867]C[fotland [?\]: bot likes center
Neospring [3k\]: w has alrdy won
CookieMon [11k\]: if a bot running in a 32 core, can go up against a 8p with only 7 handicap
]
;W[kc]WL[2623.848]C[Koreangrl8 [2k\]: w is undefeated right
patrickn [5k\]: does a search using some kind of upper bound heuristic>?
CookieMon [11k\]: means that it's better than a intermediate player.
fotland [?\]: yes, UCT
indo [1k\]: kim won against bigbadwolf?
iYokkyuu [2k\]: What?!
iphicles [?\]: Why only 4 cores?
]
;B[ic]BL[2388.934]C[NumaiCere: fotland, can u make a prog for playing renju as well?
goIngo [-\]: this is 4x8 cores
eds01 [9k?\]: What language?
patrickn [5k\]: what is renju
]
;W[nc]WL[2611.375]C[ibd [9k?\]: python of course
NumaiCere: advanced gomoku, also a board game
fotland [?\]: written in C
patrickn [5k\]: advanced?
sea000 [1d\]: many play not like 1k looklike 7k
danigabi [6d\]: black c3 lives?
Vade [2k\]: you don't make anything with python
goplayer7 [7k?\]: written in notepad
Vade [2k\]: because it would be too easy
]
;B[oc]BL[2349.745]
;W[nd]WL[2609.204]C[eds01 [9k?\]: I'm currently working on a monte carlo based AI for fun in my free time in Lisp
patrickn [5k\]: lol
boondoggle [8k\]: btw: python really has "import antigravity" now
Asaliuru [19k\]: maybe he is KGS 1k strong... :P
NumaiCere: fotland, how about renju or gomoku then
goIngo [-\]: monte carlo in Lisp - that is nuts
eS0rven [1k\]: Bot care about shapes ?
gosta [3k\]: surely written in PHP
Asaliuru [19k\]: w+time
Koreangrl8 [2k\]:    what rnak is this bot?
patrickn [5k\]: you can write stuff in c and use it in your python code
]
;B[pf]BL[2311.243]C[patrickn [5k\]: which would make the most sense
]
;W[cd]WL[2607.194]C[eds01 [9k?\]: Why is Monte Carlo in Lisp nuts?
fotland [?\]: yes, bot uses Many Faces' shape library, joseki data
francium87 [1k\]: is this a home computer program? or super computer?
patrickn [5k\]: what is the shape library
goIngo [-\]: lisp is far too slow
Denniskutl [3d\]: why not 9 handicaps anyway
]
;B[cc]BL[2291.986]C[patrickn [5k\]: id like to take a look at that
goIngo [-\]: you need quick language
Molybdenum [2k\]: How does ManyFaces deal with time?
magners [2k\]: golngo, that's just bs
Rastaman [1k\]: manyfaces1 lost against a KGS 4d...
boondoggle [8k\]: depends on what lisp you use and how you program it
]
;W[bc]WL[2592.485]C[eds01 [9k?\]: SBCL is not really very slow
goIngo [-\]: bs?
sea000 [1d\]: kim has how handle to many now
Rastaman [1k\]: with 5handis
Koreangrl8 [2k\]: ty rastaman
Molybdenum [2k\]: Will it play more quickly if it gets low on time?
magners [2k\]: rubbish
fotland [?\]: uses more time in opening - fixed fraction of remaining time for each move
ibd [9k?\]: python is too slow for monte carlo, so is LISP
Molybdenum [2k\]: oh okay
fotland [?\]: with some adjustment for easy or difficult positions
]
;B[ce]BL[2272.976]C[goIngo [-\]: lisp is slow
]
;W[bd]WL[2590.456]C[magners [2k\]: go away
patrickn [5k\]: lol
Basum [17k\]: whats lisp?
]
;B[cb]BL[2254.108]
;W[de]WL[2583.892]C[JoseParraV [6k\]: wauuuuu
agz [15k\]: you can use c code in mainly everything, so as in lisp
patrickn [5k\]: lisp is a programming language that uses a lot of brackets
pastachees [6k\]: a speach impediment
dresu [-\]: geez, google id
LugPaj [2d\]: the bot plays ok until now
dresu [-\]: it
Deva [1d\]: programming language for linguists lol
ImNoSensei [-\]: a pronounciation defect
goplayer7 [7k?\]: i use C++
Molybdenum [2k\]: it's when you can't pronounce s's correctly
gavrieltal [9k\]: at what location is ManyFaces?
rjm [5k\]: SBCL has been shown to have C-like speeds... not too slow
NattyIce [1k\]: language one first leanrs to code in
Chuushoku [11k\]: actually, ith lithp
]
;B[ee]BL[2235.294]C[kingblitz [7k\]: david, approximately what rank is MF1 ?
goplayer7 [7k?\]: i'm trying to make a player v player go program in it
]
;W[df]WL[2578.428]C[patrickn [5k\]: rather parenthesis
Basum [17k\]: ty ty ty
boondoggle [8k\]: i started with haskell instead...took a while to recover^^
francium87 [1k\]: another wierd set of moves
NumaiCere: i got 800 euro from microsoft coding gomoku AI for them once :)
fotland [?\]: playing on a supercomputer in Washington, at Microsoft
Uberdude [5d?\]: so  bad
sea000 [1d\]: many 1k 4 sure?
]
;B[bb]BL[2208.78]C[patrickn [5k\]: what is gomoku
Uberdude [5d?\]: than you mover
NumaiCere: i came cheap i guess
]
;W[be]WL[2573.278]C[dresu [-\]: a bit stronger
NumaiCere: 5in a row
patrickn [5k\]: 5 in a row?
NoobLuv [4k\]: gomoku is fun ^^
dresu [-\]: weak 1d, strong 1k
patrickn [5k\]: like connect 4?
]
;B[ob]BL[2179.6]C[zen [1k\]: I would like to play the bot :S
maldito [4k\]: othello
patrickn [5k\]: ohhh
eds01 [9k?\]: Go to the computer language benchmarks game
Koreangrl8 [2k\]: ugh othello...
themilkman [2k\]: B still leading a lot
NumaiCere: played on the same board as go, but a faster game :)
patrickn [5k\]: othello is the worst, i hate that game :P
Chuushoku [11k\]: othello is osello written in lithp
kingblitz [7k\]: fotland, i am wondering how strong ManyFaces is running on my home computer, playing against me?
Molybdenum [2k\]: Othello is lame
eds01 [9k?\]: Lisp is only a few times slower than C, and generally much fater than python
tmc [-\]: I like P18
]
;W[qe]WL[2541.739]C[Gaijin [6k\]: prob with all bot progs, so far anyway, is they make decisions based on outcomes calculated based on current stone positions - does not have ability to "predict" or "perceieve" future positions to calculate
indo [1k\]: what is the best level without andy for a computer today?
burtabel [2d\]: interesting, Black made a few very bad moves  but also succeeded in simplifying the game
fotland [?\]: on home pc, 2 kyu or weak 1 kyu, depends on speed of computer
]
;B[pe]BL[2161.469]
;W[qf]WL[2539.47]C[KoReNJe [3d\]: ho
KoReNJe [3d\]: is w any good?*
fotland [?\]: ManyFaces is playing on a 4-core Q8200 CPU $500 gateway machine
Molybdenum [2k\]: lol
Chuushoku [11k\]: lol
]
;B[qg]BL[2143.543]C[patrickn [5k\]: nah hes terrible, 8p means 14k
TheKid [3k?\]: 8P
]
;W[rg]WL[2537.605]C[sempaii [3k\]: hm
fotland [?\]: you can look at it its rating graph or try games against it
sea000 [1d\]: 7handi gm now only 3handy game
sempaii [3k\]: i want too see
Gaijin [6k\]: so human ability to actually think ahead of current pattern will have the advantage, as long as the human is of a skill to read ahead further than the bot can
Gaijin [6k\]: which almost any pro can
]
;B[qh]BL[2125.681]
;W[rh]WL[2535.06]C[KoReNJe [3d\]: what rank is b?
sempaii [3k\]: attack from many faces
JohnyBravo [3k?\]: i heard that the strongest go computer in the world right now is rapyuta
NumaiCere: gaijin ur talking nonsense
TheKid [3k?\]: 2k
zampa [5k\]: gaijin... yet.
fotland [?\]: This Manyfaces1 is on a 32-core machine
gord: go programs will beat humans in 20 yrs
eds01 [9k?\]: UCT doesn't rely on reading
Gaijin [6k\]: not nonsense at all
KoReNJe [3d\]: b is playing kinda strange
Gaijin [6k\]: and I agree with yet
ImNoSensei [-\]: go programs already beat humans
eds01 [9k?\]: It relies on playing out random games
Onmyoji [2d\]: gogo manyfaces
Deva [1d\]: how much RAM ?
indo [1k\]: kim won against bigbadwolf or not????
evanj [2d\]: yes
]
;B[qd]BL[2091.764]C[ImNoSensei [-\]: the question is when they can beat go masters
CookieMon [11k\]: yes
gosta [3k\]: b prospectives melting
indo [1k\]: cool
]
;W[qi]WL[2526.434]C[indo [1k\]: thx
eds01 [9k?\]: You'd have a point if it did a minimax search
evanj [2d\]: good game, big kos
Tulkas [12k\]: hell of a game
boondoggle [8k\]: it plays out random games to find scores for the minmax search iirc
dresu [-\]: UCT is sort of minimax search
]
;B[pi]BL[2070.116]C[Gaijin [6k\]: only when bot can process "ahead" further than a human can will bots truely be better
]
;W[qj]WL[2524.626]C[dresu [-\]: it converges to perfect play
IGoofy [1d\]: kim won vs bbw. this game is the prize.
indo [1k\]: oh ok
]
;B[qk]BL[2052.983]
;W[rk]WL[2522.903]C[evanj [2d\]: what does UCT stand for?
Denniskutl [3d\]: i think they also put SE in this bot :D
NumaiCere: terrible result for w
goplayer7 [7k?\]: 434 people are watching this game right now
]
;B[ql]BL[2035.981]C[croc [5d\]: b doing great so far
CookieMon [11k\]: gaijin, the point is make the bot process further than a human
evanj [2d\]: more than the game Kim palyed htis morning :D
fotland [?\]: Upper Confidence bound for Trees
ddhhs [18k?\]: inside
evanj [2d\]: thanks
CookieMon [11k\]: with the less cpu 
zampa [5k\]: werent BBW playing some other pro later on today?
Gaijin [6k\]: actually, my point is why exactly why SE is often wrong
rjm [5k\]: yes, he's playing mingjiu in the NAIM finals
Chuushoku [11k\]: ... sacrilege ...
indo [1k\]: l15
Gaijin [6k\]: bases it "result" on current layouts, not future ones
zampa [5k\]: rjm, when? :P
Koreangrl8 [2k\]: w played mingjiu?
NumaiCere: my gomoku prog used just proof numbers w/ alphabeta, no monte carlo back then :)
]
;W[go]WL[2476.961]C[rjm [5k\]: dunno :) some time today...
zen [1k\]: gajin.. you don't know what ur talking about :(
Wizze [1d\]: the day a pc wins against a pro will be a very sad day ...
dresu [-\]: se is wrong because it is very simple and it does not read ahead
akko888 [22k\]: absolute time means CPU is screwed?
]
;B[rl]BL[2019.118]C[Vade [2k\]: wizze, err, why?
eds01 [9k?\]: Well, it does base it's result on future layouts
pastachees [6k\]: coming soon,wizze
magners [2k\]: g5 honte
CookieMon [11k\]: yeah, i agree with Wizze
goplayer7 [7k?\]: when a itouch go app can beat a pro it will be a sader day
Gaijin [6k\]: not well though
]
;W[rd]WL[2461.985]C[eds01 [9k?\]: the layouts from the random playouts
Denniskutl [3d\]: one day, computers will take over everything anyway
Wizze [1d\]: xD
]
;B[rc]BL[2002.402]C[fotland [?\]: Algorithm is not tuned for taking handicaps - so few games like this
Gaijin [6k\]: not saying bots cant imagine future layouts, just not nearly well enough
gord: it is only a matter of time'
sempaii [3k\]: nice shap
sempaii [3k\]: e
NumaiCere: they already did Dennis, and they are called "humans" :)
Vade [2k\]: we need computers to do all the work so we could just chill out
fotland [?\]: I should spend some time tuning for play against pros :)
]
;W[re]WL[2441.557]C[eds01 [9k?\]: They don't "imagine" future layouts at all
xiexieni [4d\]: they thought the same thing about chess too
sempaii [3k\]: can bot lose by time?
ketchup [2k\]: yes
Gaijin [6k\]: chess is all math
]
;B[mq]BL[1973.22]C[ketchup [2k\]: why not?
fotland [?\]: no.  bot will not lose by time
fotland [?\]: game will end with 5 minutes or more left
ketchup [2k\]: d17
]
;W[cq]WL[2427.797]C[Koreangrl8 [2k\]: bot makes nice tennuki .xp
Basum [17k\]: machines bots cant imagine at all just counting mad stuff
zen [1k\]: chess is just as much math as is go
Gaijin [6k\]: much more limited types of moves and number of spaces in chess
myg0t [10k\]: w+time
Ceiter [1k\]: By the time AI is that advanced, we'll already be integrating it into ourselves, so "humans" will still be on top. :)
Larrave [3k\]: i cant believe bot will loose on time
boondoggle [8k\]: ok, so go is more complicated math^^
ckjy [7k\]: Can bot tell us what it thinks its probability of winning is?
squirrels [12k?\]: go is patterns
ketchup [2k\]: well i dont think it's actually ever gone that far that it loses on time
Zetetic [9k\]: chess is a logical system
Faster [4k\]: this BOOT myst be good at yose
]
;B[ie]BL[1944.677]C[Oolong [1k?\]: bot is time aware,  it will start playing faster as time gets low
Chuushoku [11k\]: bot needs to learn how to kibitz during games
]
;W[ib]WL[2417.228]C[Yopla [5k\]: chicken move
NumaiCere: haha chuuu
goIngo [-\]: MF %?
danigabi [6d\]: w caught up a lot
]
;B[jb]BL[1928.527]
;W[jc]WL[2415.234]C[ketchup [2k\]: m5
danigabi [6d\]: but black is so thick in center..
jacksonh [6k\]: in chess brute force calculus are more efective than in go... thats what "chess is all about math" did mean i guess
JohnyBravo [3k?\]: they need a bot that will mark live stones dead and escape games
]
;B[hb]BL[1912.475]C[CookieMon [11k\]: the point is
]
;W[id]WL[2413.382]C[Larrave [3k\]: but corner looks so huge
JohnyBravo [3k?\]: it would make you feel like you were playing a person
IGoofy [1d\]: j15 the beginning of the collapse
ketchup [2k\]: m5/l5?
CookieMon [11k\]: after calculating some variations of the game
Larrave [3k\]: =)
Onmyoji [2d\]: chess is harder than go
danigabi [6d\]: i have understood that mogo is kinda brute force also
Gaijin [6k\]: center about to be breached
]
;B[hc]BL[1896.573]
;W[kb]WL[2411.655]C[cyp2d6 [9k\]: Escaping games is actually easy, no?
Denniskutl [3d\]: humans are comp.s? i dont know what you are... what you are...system error 1319, to reset press crtl+alt+del
BuzzKill [14k\]: 8p!??!
BuzzKill [14k\]: O_O
sea000 [1d\]: thick4 u 6d not 4 mandy
CookieMon [11k\]: is easier in chess, to "check" if you get advantage, or not
]
;B[je]BL[1880.869]C[DanceNGo [6k\]: WOA
DanceNGo [6k\]: 8p
sea000 [1d\]: many
DanceNGo [6k\]: :O
Molybdenum [2k\]: Who thinks that Bot will escape?
eds01 [9k?\]: Anyway's if anyone wants to see what I have for my Lisp AI, look for Monte-Go on Google Code
danigabi [6d\]: k15 kickass move
Koreangrl8 [2k\]: mmhm
ImNoSensei [-\]: occasional moves like that are what's getting impressive about mogo etc.
gosta [3k\]: k15 good
danigabi [6d\]: next, N14 or so
Vade [2k\]: Buttpunting move
WoolyMaCha [5k\]: ^^
]
;W[le]WL[2370.313]C[Basum [17k\]: mogo? what kinda thing is that????
danigabi [6d\]: and center is uninvadible
sempaii [3k\]: if w alive
sempaii [3k\]: g13 comming
maldito [4k\]: the bots are taking over
danigabi [6d\]: well, one bot got to 1d here..
sempaii [3k\]: w wonna alive in sente
kinglao298 [3k\]: aninvadible?
eds01 [9k?\]: Mogo is a computer program using the UCT algorithm to play go
danigabi [6d\]: thats above average player already
sea000 [1d\]: 5-6D eye mandy,s eye not same
]
;B[lg]BL[1852.277]C[dresu [-\]: zen was 2d for some time
JohnyBravo [3k?\]: the bot is getting a lot of use out of the handicap stones
NumaiCere: n1
al1 [1k\]: zen19 is stronger than MFG
sempaii [3k\]: how you know?
baian [1d\]: i ,for one ,welcome our go bot overlords
]
;W[ko]WL[2344.719]C[NumaiCere: haha
InABuzz [5k\]: w won
sempaii [3k\]: programm of bot
eds01 [9k?\]: What is this, /.?
Koreangrl8 [2k\]: w capped himself.
sempaii [3k\]: that win by 0.5 points
]
;B[mf]BL[1836.944]
;W[ja]WL[2339.287]C[Yopla [5k\]: N14 ??
sempaii [3k\]: bot really ignore many move's
squirrels [12k?\]: hesrself
sempaii [3k\]: becouse need win by 0.5
Denniskutl [3d\]: it would be fun if there were kibitzer bots
Tulkas [12k\]: isn´t this bot at least 1d lvl because of the handicap? don´t know 
]
;B[mb]BL[1821.738]
;W[nb]WL[2334.598]C[Gaijin [6k\]: p3 soon?
floss [5k\]: trying to kill?
mmpl: eval in chess is fairly easy to make robust enough for tree search. But the 'invincible' chess programs still play pretty bad strategically. They do however capitalize on the fact that even the strongest players make fairly grievous blunders.
]
;B[na]BL[1806.62]
;W[mc]WL[2332.708]C[choboco [1k\]: this game just shows the power of handicap stones
maldito [4k\]: r3
danigabi [6d\]: w lives but in 2 poits only
somefellow [9k\]: the strongest chess players do not make grevious blunders
Asaliuru [19k\]: kibitzer bots will beat human kibitzers in 22 years :D
sempaii [3k\]: ahahah
Uberdude [5d?\]: 3 points
]
;B[rj]BL[1777.296]C[Uberdude [5d?\]: he got capture at k18
]
;W[ri]WL[2330.026]C[Albast [9k\]: nice sente
sempaii [3k\]: lol
Shukai [1d\]: seems b lose
Asaliuru [19k\]: gigantic black moyo
Molybdenum [2k\]: bots are masters of tenuki
Uberdude [5d?\]: w will get sente for r3
InABuzz [5k\]: ending in gote
ImNoSensei [-\]: bot timesuji
]
;B[ci]BL[1748.719]
;W[bh]WL[2319.699]C[ketchup [2k\]: getting in big moves :(
eds01 [9k?\]: White needs to jump into one of the moyos soon
CookieMon [11k\]: i don't play chess anymore since i realiced that computer doesn't make genious moves
Gresil [-\]: Asaliuru, how does it make you nervous to will beat human kibitzers in 22 years :D?
eds01 [9k?\]: or both
mmpl: Pieces, rooks and queens have ben given away in most Chess WC matches.
goplayer7 [7k?\]: w did with l5
JohnyBravo [3k?\]: i want to see a bot cry in egr when someone escapes a game against it
Tasky [4k\]: why exchange s10 for s11 and then tenuki?
]
;B[ch]BL[1734.111]
;W[bg]WL[2316.411]C[sempaii [3k\]: b strange
InABuzz [5k\]: dosnt ma geious moves??
sempaii [3k\]: yes Tasky?
Hisigi [8k\]: cause it woul become gote
CookieMon [11k\]: nop
InABuzz [5k\]: lol
CookieMon [11k\]: they just count if the win pieces.
ketchup [2k\]: black will m7
Asaliuru [19k\]: it doesn't
Molybdenum [2k\]: Do you think MyungWan will escape?
CookieMon [11k\]: -*they win pieces.
ketchup [2k\]: and make white weep
]
;B[cf]BL[1706.172]C[InABuzz [5k\]: must be a strong chess player
NumaiCere: lol
Neospring [3k\]: lol...
minismurf [-\]: ...
Aoiro [8k\]: ty
]
;W[cg]WL[2307.192]C[KoReNJe [3d\]: wow
Yopla [5k\]: c14 is nice lol
floss [5k\]: se thinks b wins
KoReNJe [3d\]: 9d move
sempaii [3k\]: haha
kinglao298 [3k\]: looooooooooooooooooool
minismurf [-\]: sente
squirrels [12k?\]: bot is stupid
CookieMon [11k\]: but they don't sacrifice in order to win a positional advantage.
NumaiCere: new tesuji
xDragon [15k\]: w is tartrate
xiexieni [4d\]: b calling for w resign
bigbin [4d\]: lot of hand stone
sempaii [3k\]: ahaha
Mem0r3x [1k\]: q3 
choboco [1k\]: w already ahead
]
;B[ma]BL[1678.676]C[burtabel [2d\]: how much can black do on lower left?
Larrave [3k\]: thats true cookie^^
XSpanier [1k\]: all part of bs 0.5 win calculations
kingblitz [7k\]: what was the point of c14 ?
choboco [1k\]: r3 works
Aoiro [8k\]: huuuuh
burtabel [2d\]: c4 + b8 e.g.?
ilfuria [9k\]: who thinks kgs server will escape?
]
;W[lb]WL[2292.713]C[dresu [-\]: 7 stones was not enough
XSpanier [1k\]: what is n19?
Molybdenum [2k\]: haha
Zetetic [9k\]: lol 
BuzzKill [14k\]: LOL
XSpanier [1k\]: kill the ko threats
]
;B[jd]BL[1653.102]C[ketchup [2k\]: m7
NumaiCere: solid but small
Aoiro [8k\]: l7
Albast [9k\]: white has f13 and l14 
Mem0r3x [1k\]: l14 
kinglao298 [3k\]: w'sob is like stealing candy from a baby... easy and dishonorable... lol
CookieMon [11k\]: T1 is the definitive move
InABuzz [5k\]: b much better than me at least
Asaliuru [19k\]: kibizers won't escape :P
blier [1k\]: @mmpl: i don't know much about chess. but this is interesting. has there ever been a serious comparison between the best computer programs and very strong correspondance players
]
;W[or]WL[2270.679]C[Gaijin [6k\]: p2
eds01 [9k?\]: huh
ketchup [2k\]: oh nice
Molybdenum [2k\]: wow
kinglao298 [3k\]: *w's job 
Molybdenum [2k\]: hmm
Koreangrl8 [2k\]: this is w.'s prize ?
blier [1k\]: ?
eds01 [9k?\]: didn't see that one comign
]
;B[oq]BL[1639.445]C[blier [1k\]: if not this would be very interesting
Molybdenum [2k\]: i need to learn to play moves like that and make it turn out well
Gaijin [6k\]: aiming for corner I guess?
]
;W[qq]WL[2252.008]C[soporific [9k?\]: o2
Larrave [3k\]: cookiemon
Gaijin [6k\]: expected p3
akko888 [22k\]: yup
CookieMon [11k\]: what
kingblitz [7k\]: can someone tell me what C14 was about ?
Uberdude [5d?\]: blier, cos theyr try more variations?
Aloriless [6k\]: very strong chess correspondence players use computers
Denniskutl [3d\]: now lets see some 32 core power
]
;B[pr]BL[1625.904]C[Larrave [3k\]: your argumentation is the reason why many think kasparow was cheated 15 years ago
CardiffGo [2k?\]: P2 a probe?
]
;W[pq]WL[2244.709]C[blier [2k\]: @uberdude
InABuzz [5k\]: no probe
Chuushoku [11k\]: c14 was about 20 kyu
blier [2k\]: yes
Aoiro [8k\]: would be interesting to know how much teaching pros about MC techniques loiwers the bot chances again
Zetetic [9k\]: I suppose go could be thought of as 361 ternary states with rules for invalid state combinations, when you think about it though, it seems like a very very large database and a few good algorithms should make a pretty strong bot(and I guess it does depening on what you mean by pretty strong). 
al1 [1k\]: b is getting stronger as game advance
]
;B[nr]BL[1612.349]C[squirrels [12k?\]: just imagin MFG against the Meijin
]
;W[op]WL[2240.336]C[fotland [?\]: c14 bug
al1 [1k\]: end game easy for computer
]
;B[os]BL[1598.988]
;W[po]WL[2238.877]C[blier [2k\]: and i guess most correspondence players use computer analysis too
fotland [?\]: have to fix the bugs to make it much stronger
CookieMon [11k\]: larrave, kasparov thinks he was cheated because there were people controling deep blue
Aoiro [8k\]: maybe you can develop tactics to make the MC yield less significant results by special kakari
Larrave [3k\]: yes
burtabel [2d\]: still c14 is not a big problem
]
;B[qr]BL[1585.708]C[Uberdude [5d?\]: zeteic 3 ^ 361 = big
Larrave [3k\]: thats because of your argumentation
]
;W[qp]WL[2236.099]C[InABuzz [5k\]: endgame hardest part for computers
IGoofy [1d\]: c14 was to calm the humans down 
iphicles [?\]: c14 the kind of move it's hard to stop the computer playing
Zetetic [9k\]: big indeed
Larrave [3k\]: strange moves a computer wouldnt make he made
InABuzz [5k\]: at least KGS bots sucks at yose
MacNala [12k\]: i have seen it make the c14 bi=ug in other positons
CookieMon [11k\]: oh yeah, i understand
burtabel [2d\]: mistakes like c8 and now in lower right are what makes mfgo lose such a handi game
]
;B[nn]BL[1561.005]C[kinglao298 [3k\]: c14 psichological move?
Yuura [4k?\]: j'espère que manufaces1 va se faire déchirer
]
;W[mp]WL[2228.643]C[NumaiCere: where does the c14 bug stem from, fotland?
burtabel [2d\]: what does mfgo think about its chances now, David?
]
;B[lp]BL[1548.035]C[soporific [9k?\]: bad tsumego
al1 [1k\]: Yuura, c'est en cours :)
blier [2k\]: so it would be kinda like human strategic insight with computer analysis preventing blunders. then it would be interesting to see if the human strategic insight makes much difference to a mere computer program playing
evanj [2d\]: well, it looked like it was trying to take away eye space
]
;W[mo]WL[2224.622]C[fotland [?\]: If I knew the cause of the bug I would fix it :)
eds01 [9k?\]: Any intuitions?
]
;B[mn]BL[1532.717]C[Zetetic [9k\]: then you have to come up with algorithm to eliminate invalid states which doesn't seem too hard, but then  it seems like it would get nasty; 
fotland [?\]: yes, probably taking eye space
]
;W[lo]WL[2218.845]C[shiniguari [3k\]: c14 good move, if w doesnt connect :)
fotland [?\]: some move like this happen when there is a ko
ketchup [2k\]: l7
Yuura [4k?\]: j'ai quand même envie qu'il perde c'est pas une raison x)
Asaliuru [19k\]: kill
fotland [?\]: this version like to make ko threates before starting the ko sometimes
]
;B[km]BL[1514.532]C[ketchup [2k\]: then white plays f13
mmueller [-\]: sometimes they play bad threats
evanj [2d\]: is MF very strong at isolated tsume go problems
Yopla [5k\]: arg
Koreangrl8 [2k\]: b has big center
evanj [2d\]: ?
Aoiro [8k\]: zetetic, you have no idea what you are talking about
Molybdenum [2k\]: ah, thought this move
Denniskutl [3d\]: many faces is different than mogo right?
ketchup [2k\]: and then white plays l14
Zetetic [9k\]: I disagree
ketchup [2k\]: etc etc
soporific [9k?\]: w must reduce center
kinglao298 [3k\]: g13 
akko888 [22k\]: b has huge center
Kingu [-\]: tiens et si je disais un truc inintéressant, n'importe lequel ?
hyprsphere [10k\]: mf smart enuff to protect center moyo
]
;W[jn]WL[2189.886]C[InABuzz [5k\]: w is in
squirrels [12k?\]: it will be hard to control the center
Longshi [-\]: probablement impossible
ecgotf [6k\]: manyfaces is MC
]
;B[jm]BL[1501.99]C[eds01 [9k?\]: Fotland - what do you think of Many Face's chances of winning?
akko888 [22k\]: h7?
Yopla [5k\]: F13
IGoofy [1d\]: while we are watching this the mechs have invaded nyc
francium87 [1k\]: but not smart enough to take the lfet bottom corner
soporific [9k?\]: g13?
joxn [-\]: ManyFaces is playing 2.4 million games per move, on 32 cores.
falingsumo [10k?\]: g13
Longshi [-\]: black's chances are damn close to 0 now
francium87 [1k\]: what is a core?
]
;W[fg]WL[2152.492]C[eds01 [9k?\]: A CPU
mmpl: the generalized case go complexity is EXPTIME-complete. So I kind of doubt that any easy ways to play are forthcoming :)
sempaii [3k\]: i bet
danigabi [6d\]: this tells you how many crappy games it must be considering
sempaii [3k\]: b is winner
JohnyBravo [3k?\]: the core is what you work on with that ab roller thing
Gaijin [6k\]: w e11 ?
maldito [4k\]: the olmechs?
joxn [-\]: Right now its win rate is 77%, which means it thinks it's winning.
eds01 [9k?\]: Cool
]
;B[rq]BL[1478.648]C[evanj [2d\]: ouch
francium87 [1k\]: so its failing at playing good go by playing out 2.4 million 19k games a move. roger
CookieMon [11k\]: since the reason that white can easily invade the center
boondoggle [8k\]: generalized chess is that complex too
Larrave [3k\]: small looking one
ketchup [2k\]: s3 seems like small
CookieMon [11k\]: and black can't invathe the bottom cornet
Yopla [5k\]: yes :s
NumaiCere: joxn how do u know?
burtabel [2d\]: joxn are you running MFGO for this game?
squirrels [12k?\]: that means that it will be defencive
]
;W[ck]WL[2126.763]C[Yopla [5k\]: now h13
evanj [2d\]: big
joxn [-\]: I know because I'm looking at the log output on the cluster :-)
]
;B[ho]BL[1465.916]C[Gresil [-\]: tenuki go
]
;W[hp]WL[2119.32]C[goIngo [-\]: joxn, are you in washington?
fotland [?\]: joxn is running the program on the Microsoft cluster
Dreamlight [13k\]: The human is losing *sigh*
]
;B[kp]BL[1453.795]C[Aloriless [6k\]: mogo: 78%, it has been dropping (not fast computer and freely downloadable version)
francium87 [1k\]: that is a horrid move
Faster [4k\]: BOT play much faster
masonc [8k\]: When a computer to *think*, not just try 2 million alternatives?
eds01 [9k?\]: No, it means it will play whichever move the Monte-Carlo search suggests is good
IGoofy [1d\]: maybe professional programmers shall try to code a go bot
danigabi [6d\]: black does have an overwhelming lead
]
;W[lq]WL[2093.434]C[squirrels [12k?\]: if you acouted for the handicap then the uman would winh
JongilLee [5k\]: how many stones
JongilLee [5k\]: did he get a handicap?
squirrels [12k?\]: 7
kingblitz [7k\]: another move that makes no sense
kinglao298 [3k\]: m3 k4 n2 o3 s4 s2 >?
Larrave [3k\]: was this the idea behind s3?
joxn [-\]: IGoofy: fotland is a professional programmer
]
;B[jp]BL[1441.657]C[JongilLee [5k\]: o 
evanj [2d\]: what's the difference between thinking and trying 2 million alternatives?
Zetetic [9k\]: Aoiro, how is the board not a set of 361 ternary states (black white or blank)?
Albast [9k\]: k3 
magners [2k\]: IGoofy, you think some are not? was that a joke
masonc [8k\]: evanj:  think about it
JongilLee [5k\]: is MyungWan chinese?
ImNoSensei [-\]: reading is only a part of how humans play go
sempaii [3k\]: b need win by 0.5 points
soporific [9k?\]: ko is blank?
]
;W[ip]WL[2049.756]C[badukwang [3k\]: korean pro
mmpl: the board is actually a constraint satisfaction problem.
ImNoSensei [-\]: not saying the way we play go is the best one
WoolyMaCha [5k\]: Korean, Lee
JongilLee [5k\]: wow a lot of korean people come here
evanj [2d\]: yeah, there are four different states
ImNoSensei [-\]: but it's not only reading
terrymac [7k\]: MyungWan Kim is Korean Pro 8 Dan
]
;B[jq]BL[1429.687]C[JongilLee [5k\]: im korean too :D
JongilLee [5k\]: 안녕하세요
]
;W[jr]WL[2046.997]C[Denniskutl [3d\]: j4 : i learned from bot
evanj [2d\]: black, white, empty legal, and empty illegal
]
;B[iq]BL[1417.727]C[Koreangrl8 [2k\]: anyoung.jong.!
NumaiCere: koreans are taking over the world
ichi7e [4k\]: has this bot won against zen19?
badukwang [3k\]: he cant hear you lee :)
JongilLee [5k\]: ㅗ됴
JongilLee [5k\]: hey
squirrels [12k?\]: of corse your only 5k
Gaijin [6k\]: yeh
ketchup [2k\]: hmm..
danigabi [6d\]: w trouble?
JongilLee [5k\]: 안녕!!
goIngo [-\]: fighting up
sempaii [3k\]: b overplay?
bigbin [4d\]: n2?
Deva [1d\]: playing allowed moves might be a csp
Koreangrl8 [2k\]: xp
maldito [4k\]: can the bot resign?
Gaijin [6k\]: if you wanna generalize do it about the bot
ketchup [2k\]: yes maldito
CardiffGo [2k?\]: You're not Your
XSpanier [1k\]: guess whats the winning rate after this attack
JongilLee [5k\]: 미국 서버인데 한국 사람도 좀있네요.
sempaii [3k\]: if w die
danigabi [6d\]: 100 %
kinglao298 [3k\]: j2 h3 h2 g4 j5 k5 j6 h7 
Larrave [3k\]: 6 dan thinks white in trouble gonna believe it;P
sempaii [3k\]: that will be funny
ImNoSensei [-\]: w does look in trouble
joxn [-\]: MF will resign when it is losing by some super large # pointsw
danigabi [6d\]: what does it say joxn?
gosta [3k\]: first fight
]
;W[ir]WL[1986.694]C[danigabi [6d\]: winning rate
Deva [1d\]: trade
]
;B[hq]BL[1405.739]C[OttosMops [2k\]: w in trouble against 6d, maybe not against bot ;)
NumaiCere: if google got to it, go would be fully solved in 2 years :D
]
;W[jo]WL[1982.571]C[gogadget [5k\]: m3 seems mistake, but i hope not
goIngo [-\]: MF %?
Gaijin [6k\]: w ok
Deva [1d\]: lol
joxn [-\]: still 77%
]
;B[io]BL[1393.816]C[sempaii [3k\]: just huge yose
maciek [1d\]: go human go!
Dreamlight [13k\]: Interesting move.
]
;W[gp]WL[1977.808]C[evanj [2d\]: oops
Dobby [2k\]: MF = Many Faces
]
;B[sk]BL[1382.295]C[danigabi [6d\]: nice atari
KerLaeda [-\]: j5 lol
kinglao298 [3k\]: haha, h7 
JongilLee [5k\]: ㅗ몸
JongilLee [5k\]: haha
]
;W[qc]WL[1970.754]C[Molybdenum [2k\]: Yea, i guess white is okay
Molybdenum [2k\]: pretty cool sequence
Mem0r3x [1k\]: j5 is so....
squirrels [12k?\]: H7
]
;B[lr]BL[1370.894]C[Washburn86 [4k\]: :)
evanj [2d\]: bad?
]
;W[kr]WL[1968.171]C[Uberdude [5d?\]: j5 good tesuji to remove liberties
Molybdenum [2k\]: i would not have thought ofM3
]
;B[qb]BL[1359.63]C[JongilLee [5k\]: but leaves h7 for the finish
]
;W[sc]WL[1966.427]C[NattyIce [1k\]: b win % has to drop from 77now
Aoiro [8k\]: it couldnt see that in 2.4*10^6 positions!?
]
;B[rb]BL[1348.402]
;W[si]WL[1964.439]C[Vade [2k\]: dude, we should name it "Atari"
Warfreak2 [5d\]: go tartrate
JongilLee [5k\]: you know it's liek 5 a.jm
]
;B[cp]BL[1329.119]C[JongilLee [5k\]: 5 a.m
JongilLee [5k\]: in korea right now
danigabi [6d\]: ok game over
NumaiCere: lol
danigabi [6d\]: w won
floss [5k\]: myungwan=tartrate?
kinglao298 [3k\]: looooooool
]
;W[bq]WL[1952.162]C[Aoiro [8k\]: time for living now
NumaiCere: or not
]
;B[la]BL[1318.179]C[eds01 [9k?\]: What evidence is there that W is tartrate?
JongilLee [5k\]: ...
NattyIce [1k\]: ?
]
;W[me]WL[1944.631]C[Albast [9k\]: white already alive
Naysmith [1d\]: mm... tartrate was some korean 8p by some rumors
Aoiro [8k\]: that would be frightening :)
kinglao298 [3k\]: is this like a comedy or something?
Warfreak2 [5d\]: he plays with tartrate style
floss [5k\]: somebody said "go tartrate"
soporific [9k?\]: look on gosensations.com
Warfreak2 [5d\]: very distinctive
XSpanier [1k\]: whats the winning rate?
]
;B[kd]BL[1307.275]C[Gaijin [6k\]: w still needs like 15 If I count right (which i prolly didnt... )
]
;W[ld]WL[1942.232]C[falingsumo [10k?\]: the white group is dead
Koreangrl8 [2k\]: where is tartrate
francium87 [1k\]: what group?
Uberdude [5d?\]: the kgs gossip rag said he is
Werfeus [5d\]: o15 n16 and then m17 is fake-eye
JongilLee [5k\]: it's alive
]
;B[ha]BL[1286.574]C[JongilLee [5k\]: L19
eds01 [9k?\]: It's alive
falingsumo [10k?\]: ohh ok
]
;W[ka]WL[1935.405]C[KerLaeda [-\]: r17 dead yes
JongilLee [5k\]: no
bigbin [4d\]: anyone think b wins ?
]
;B[oa]BL[1275.446]C[francium87 [1k\]: haha
]
;W[ia]WL[1933.629]C[akko888 [22k\]: j19 kp
danigabi [6d\]: b looks ahead if he plays g12
falingsumo [10k?\]: not me
JongilLee [5k\]: see
danigabi [6d\]: but not by a lot
Uberdude [5d?\]: alive with 4 points
Mem0r3x [1k\]: I think b wins...
wotan123 [2d\]: i think b still leads
Uberdude [5d?\]: i was wrong
lonsan [1k\]: dinerschtein wrote an article the length of my phd dissertation on why myungwan is tartrate, but surprisingly it was convincing
CookieMon [11k\]: h7
kinglao298 [3k\]: o15 ?
Mem0r3x [1k\]: if white  get bored and resigns
]
;B[eh]BL[1259.65]C[Schmidtt [13k\]: SE thinks b wins, that's enough for me ; \]
kinglao298 [3k\]: f14 
Uberdude [5d?\]: what a short dissertation
KerLaeda [-\]: lol
eds01 [9k?\]: f14?
]
;W[ff]WL[1922.29]C[akko888 [22k\]: 3 eyes is alive :D
vducky [6k\]: SE thinks the upper left is dead
squirrels [12k?\]: H16
lonsan [1k\]: yes, his article was convincing, unlike mine :(
vducky [6k\]: upper right, sorry
nicat [2k\]: k3 could have killed
bigbin [4d\]: b10
qQQp [-\]: SE is a bot, its biased
Warfreak2 [5d\]: it's always so disappointing to see go bots get destroyed by pros on high handicaps
vducky [6k\]: yes :)
]
;B[ef]BL[1239.434]C[Schmidtt [13k\]: lol
]
;W[eg]WL[1920.267]C[Deva [1d\]: ...
Vade [2k\]: cut the bamboo 
Koreangrl8 [2k\]: se always fails..
Naysmith [1d\]: disappointing?
KoReNJe [3d\]: b playing takemiya style ;)
Molybdenum [2k\]: whaa?
sempaii [3k\]: lol
psun: b should resign now
Werfeus [5d\]: everything but, warfreak?
danigabi [6d\]: play zen19, warfreak
JongilLee [5k\]: shows that human intellect will always be ahead of a bots
sempaii [3k\]: that really bad
]
;B[fh]BL[1223.152]C[vducky [6k\]: manyfacesofgo + SE = skynet? ^^
psun: don't know how to play
Warfreak2 [5d\]: i played zen19
sempaii [3k\]: if b think
Naysmith [1d\]: I like seeing bots destroyed :)
]
;W[hg]WL[1912.645]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: not very impressed
sempaii [3k\]: s13 dead
kingblitz [7k\]: SE sees live groups as dead
Schmidtt [13k\]: SE could kill them
sempaii [3k\]: yes
kinglao298 [3k\]: s13 alive
]
;B[gh]BL[1203.734]C[masonc [8k\]: pros *think* ; computers count beans
squirrels [12k?\]: maby not intelegence but the ability to comprhend patterns 
Molybdenum [2k\]: s13 not dead
sempaii [3k\]: if mf think that dead too
Molybdenum [2k\]: silly
lonsan [1k\]: but alas, SE has no hands to play the stones
sempaii [3k\]: that very bad
Asaliuru [19k\]: and dead groups as live
eds01 [9k?\]: No, UCT could be much better running on the biggest supercomputer, so long as the algorithm is written in a nice parralel fashion
lonsan [1k\]: it's a sad story
vista2008 [3k\]: w h16
Warfreak2 [5d\]: jongillee, human intellect will not always be ahead of robots
gogadget [5k\]: h15 
]
;W[jg]WL[1901.879]C[lonsan [1k\]: all that go skill, wasted 
goIngo [-\]: MF %?
joxn [-\]: win rate down to 65% now ... 
Warfreak2 [5d\]: not at go at least
JongilLee [5k\]: yes it will..
Werfeus [5d\]: i like when bots get crushed time after time.. why want comps to get *good*
sentra [1d\]: 32 core and still plays like a 5k?
Gaijin [6k\]: love that l18 group shape
JongilLee [5k\]: in go at least
Warfreak2 [5d\]: gobots will beat pros within my lifetime
Naysmith [1d\]: not true at all
]
;B[gg]BL[1193.835]C[IGoofy [1d\]: maybe breakfast is playing now as b
Albast [9k\]: k13 is nice
JongilLee [5k\]: nah
Naysmith [1d\]: there is no intellect in bot's play
Schmidtt [13k\]: SE must get fed up seeing all groups it could kill live
kingblitz [7k\]: joxn, what is "win rate" ?
Gresil [-\]: masonc, pros count beans too, they merely decide which beans to count in a different fashion.
ImNoSensei [-\]: G13 seems very shortsighted
soporific [9k?\]: b could take me
eds01 [9k?\]: The win rate of the playouts
squirrels [12k?\]: f15
Warfreak2 [5d\]: werfeus, because it's no different to watching any weaker guy get beaten by a pro, really
eds01 [9k?\]: I assume
Aoiro [8k\]: f15
Uberdude [5d?\]: b10 is big
Warfreak2 [5d\]: except you can't even feel sorry for black
kinglao298 [3k\]: f15 e16 h14 h15 
sempaii [3k\]: big but
goIngo [-\]: score of MC progrm
goIngo [-\]: program
Yaruki [10k\]: f15
Yaruki [10k\]: h15
sempaii [3k\]: bot need win by 0.5 point
Warfreak2 [5d\]: at least if he's destroying a human i can feel compassion for black while i'm watching
fotland [?\]: over 2M trial games played (playouts), and it won 66% of them
JongilLee [5k\]: he has L14 as a resort
Werfeus [5d\]: warfreak, what?
]
;W[gf]WL[1844.37]
;B[hf]BL[1184.057]C[squirrels [12k?\]: H 16 black
Warfreak2 [5d\]: i can hardly cheer for white, werfeus
]
;W[he]WL[1838.318]
;B[if]BL[1174.321]C[TheMagic [3k\]: only 7 stones?
]
;W[kf]WL[1835.327]C[Werfeus [5d\]: i cheer for w very much.. i want comps to be sad at go always
masonc [8k\]: pros see the forest ;  computers see the trees -- one by one
Gaijin [6k\]: interesting miai
TheMagic [3k\]: not even fair
eds01 [9k?\]: yeah
XSpanier [1k\]: l12
]
;B[ig]BL[1158.307]C[kinglao298 [3k\]: g15 f15 haha
soporific [9k?\]: but they see millions of trees
XSpanier [1k\]: b so silly
eds01 [9k?\]: didn't see that move
wotan123 [2d\]: now w will win
Warfreak2 [5d\]: cheering for white in this game is like cheering for the lion in the arena
Deva [1d\]: poor bot
Uberdude [5d?\]: b10
NumaiCere: poor b
squirrels [12k?\]: lader
]
;W[kh]WL[1822.254]C[JongilLee [5k\]: millions of trees are still not the whole forest
Vade [2k\]: warfreak2
wotan123 [2d\]: over
Vade [2k\]: unless it's a bear.
]
;B[kg]BL[1148.788]C[danigabi [6d\]: no center
Vade [2k\]: because bears win against lions every time
]
;W[ih]WL[1814.183]C[alexanderp [2d?\]: It's a fear. People are afraid of strong non-human entities.
Uberdude [5d?\]: bot can't read
Uberdude [5d?\]: even 3 moves
Yaruki [10k\]: lol
]
;B[lh]BL[1133.089]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: bot read that it doesn't matter what he plays, uber
Tasky [4k\]: now comes the autoatari
Mem0r3x [1k\]: wow
Albast [9k\]: l11 
TheMagic [3k\]: yeah, this is kind of ridiculous
Uberdude [5d?\]: it is like kyu
booru [6k?\]: perhaps they forgot to update the endgame engine
]
;W[ki]WL[1797.803]C[Uberdude [5d?\]: think sente is good
iPwnNoobs [1k\]: so white wins eh?
Naysmith [1d\]: no, warfreak
Werfeus [5d\]: warfreak... just what? lion is good to cheer in this case. why would one want comps to be good
squirrels [12k?\]: white will win
]
;B[sf]BL[1117.354]
;W[sg]WL[1795.162]C[soporific [9k?\]: b still winning i think
danigabi [6d\]: because you are the programmer of the bot
iPwnNoobs [1k\]: maybe they should have done 9 stones again
danigabi [6d\]: :)
bigbin [4d\]: so boring
]
;B[hr]BL[1108.152]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: werfeus, there's no enjoyment in cheering for something which is certain to happen
ImNoSensei [-\]: with what territory ?
Yopla [5k\]: T14 remove a threat : /
IGoofy [1d\]: this program is really bad
XSpanier [1k\]: hasnt white played t14 a few moves ago??
]
;W[ls]WL[1788.292]C[XSpanier [1k\]: am i stupid??
Gaijin [6k\]: w has won
dresu [-\]: b would win easily with 9 stones
Warfreak2 [5d\]: actually i would love a 9p level bot but that's beside the point
gosta [3k\]: b still despaired
]
;B[mr]BL[1099.043]C[Aoiro [8k\]: you only see the anti-humiliating subroutines at work
]
;W[gr]WL[1785.859]C[Gaijin [6k\]: connection into center ends it
]
;B[kj]BL[1083.517]C[iPwnNoobs [1k\]: b getting destroyed at 7 stones so 9 could be close
NumaiCere: b behind already
]
;W[li]WL[1783.905]C[xiexieni [4d\]: lol
Mem0r3x [1k\]: m1 because black wasted all his threats.
Dreamlight [13k\]: Interesting move.
Asaliuru [19k\]: MF % ?
Uberdude [5d?\]: sqeueeze the thoothpaste
xiexieni [4d\]: hands up
Hellhuman [4k\]: b resign now^^
]
;B[bp]BL[1067.422]C[venete [18k\]: is h6 dead ?
TheMagic [3k\]: nah, 9 stones still wouldn't be close
kinglao298 [3k\]: that's it I'm out of here... This is an example of u should not play
danigabi [6d\]: i think most of us have the fear of whats going to happen to the go community after computers beat us.. it destroyed chess at least
Malignus [12k\]: 13,5 for white according to the kgs engine
Warfreak2 [5d\]: lol
]
;W[dq]WL[1777.857]C[whatisgo [1d\]: poor boty
Yopla [5k\]: this is the end my friend
IGoofy [1d\]: even kgs SE would see the loss now
]
;B[bm]BL[1058.681]C[Malignus [12k\]: chess is still alive
Werfeus [5d\]: ofcourse there is warfreak. when it drives the good thing. not the boring thing, good thing
]
;W[bk]WL[1771.822]C[masonc [8k\]: a 10p computer would prove *nothing* about computer *intelligence*
Larrave [3k\]:  i thought black was okay but he trashed himself at some point=(
Warfreak2 [5d\]: if chess computers destroyed chess, why isn't chess destroyed
dresu [-\]: this game was already quite close
shiniguari [3k\]: funny to see how bot makes big moyo and get no terretory of it
goIngo [-\]: no, it improved chess
squirrels [12k?\]: these are learning programs, they wont give up
Malignus [12k\]: it just a bit shifted - people learn from computers
Albast [9k\]: In the days I was 30k I would cut with black at k14 
ckjy [7k\]: Chess is still bigger than Go
Faster [4k\]: BOT  CAN RESIGN BEFORE THE END OF GAME ???
]
;B[hh]BL[1047.292]C[goIngo [-\]: ask anand
dresu [-\]: with 9 stones no chance for human
Werfeus [5d\]: ofcourse if you would like comps to be 9p.. i would never want 9p go-comp
Malignus [12k\]: and computers learn from people (still)
]
;W[jf]WL[1764.66]C[squirrels [12k?\]: it wont
]
;B[ii]BL[1038.654]
;W[jh]WL[1762.162]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: werfeus, i would like a 9p bot but that's irrelevant to this game
fotland [?\]: yes, bot will resign when it can't win
]
;B[mi]BL[1030.157]C[danigabi [6d\]: F15 big
WoolyMaCha [5k\]: yes
falingsumo [10k?\]: ww
Gaijin [6k\]: even if bots do get better - so what?  like being jealous of a machine that makes photocopies - it is not the same as the skill of an artist that does it 
burtabel [2d\]: think the bot will resign soon
Werfeus [5d\]: yes it is, but its relevant to this conversation..
ManyFacesl: man, i am screwed here ...
Warfreak2 [5d\]: no
kinglao298 [3k\]: n10 
squirrels [12k?\]: make a lader MFG
]
;W[lj]WL[1741.068]C[Larrave [3k\]: chess destroyed due to its triviality;P
JongilLee [5k\]: how is F15 big?
JongilLee [5k\]: i dont see it
Warfreak2 [5d\]: the coversation is about why we would enjoy watching a pro destroy a bot
masonc [8k\]: Gaijin:  you got it right
fotland [?\]: win rate below 50% now
]
;B[mj]BL[1013.952]C[Mem0r3x [1k\]: n9 and black is 20l
WoolyMaCha [5k\]: I have got bots resigned and even escaped on me!
]
;W[lk]WL[1738.936]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: i don't feel sad that the bot isn't 9p
Mem0r3x [1k\]: 20k
Strateg [1k\]: worm )
gre: then we can invent hexagonal go,or something... until someone programs a bot aain and so on...
kyusanjyu: h7
sempaii [3k\]: maybe bot think
Yaruki [10k\]: lol >.<
]
;B[no]BL[998.332]C[sempaii [3k\]: c4 is alive
joxn [-\]: 46%
]
;W[np]WL[1736.565]C[ImNoSensei [-\]: actually this game doesn't prove the bot isn't 9p yet
JongilLee [5k\]: you mean G7
Naysmith [1d\]: warfreak, because we see that we're still superior to computers in one board game ;)
Asaliuru [19k\]: what with win rate ?
akko888 [22k\]: HexaGo sounds fun
]
;B[do]BL[987.719]C[goIngo [-\]: thx joxn
wikipwnia [11k\]: chess isn't destroyed
wikipwnia [11k\]: haha
Werfeus [5d\]: yes, and i would hate to see pro destroyed by bot, cause i would be sad if the bot was so strong. cause i dont want bots to be strong
Onmyoji [2d\]: i hope bots reach pro strength soon
]
;W[rp]WL[1730.378]C[ImNoSensei [-\]: it proves it isn't a decent amateur yet
Warfreak2 [5d\]: naysmith, you are now officially a luddite, congratulations
]
;B[sq]BL[979.679]C[IGoofy [1d\]: i wouldnt play online any longer as soon as my opps can run strong engines
]
;W[ab]WL[1726.538]C[sempaii [3k\]: im understand manyfaces
sempaii [3k\]: xD
squirrels [12k?\]: look up chess varients app on google
psun: gote dead
]
;B[mk]BL[964.834]C[wikipwnia [11k\]: goofy, nobody does that
kinglao298 [3k\]: b5 
]
;W[dc]WL[1722.615]C[danigabi [6d\]: a18 looks like mistake
danigabi [6d\]: oops
danigabi [6d\]: game over
XSpanier [1k\]: guess the winning chance is under 50 % xD
]
;B[db]BL[956.964]
;W[ed]WL[1718.389]C[JongilLee [5k\]: now its proably aorund
JongilLee [5k\]: 10%
]
;B[ec]BL[949.129]C[XSpanier [1k\]: 0%
]
;W[fe]WL[1716.928]C[NumaiCere: below zero
squirrels [12k?\]: ko !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yaruki [10k\]: fail bot, fail
DanceNGo [6k\]: over 9000
Holmes [-\]: that's not good for black
Asaliuru [19k\]: -4 percent ?
]
;B[dd]BL[934.214]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: winning chance is now -270 kelvin
Uberdude [5d?\]: does the bot evalualte its winning % by playing against itself?
danigabi [6d\]: h16
burtabel [2d\]: i think mfgo is listening to danigabi too much :)
]
;W[nf]WL[1707.883]C[eds01 [9k?\]: yeah
Larrave [3k\]: chess is destroyed because 60% of the game is played out already=)
Faster [4k\]: wHY bot NOT RESIGN ????????????
Monowire [13k?\]: makes sense uberdude
Uberdude [5d?\]: because that is rather silly
]
;B[sd]BL[926.651]C[bohica [4k\]: h7 getting big
eds01 [9k?\]: It plays out a lot of random games
Monowire [13k?\]: why is it?
Uberdude [5d?\]: it is plaiyng agianst someone better
magners [2k\]: how are computers performing in japanese or chinese chess?
]
;W[dc]WL[1698.126]C[gosta [3k\]: wow, w very patient
eds01 [9k?\]: and compiles statistics on the winrates
mint [4d\]: this is why we can't have nice things.
Kaisai [3k\]: better at chinese
]
;B[sb]BL[919.037]C[squirrels [12k?\]: good
Uberdude [5d?\]: so it should compensate
]
;W[rf]WL[1696.117]C[Kaisai [3k\]: not yet at japanese
Monowire [13k?\]: have you heard of positional evaluation and monte carlo tests?
Kaisai [3k\]: but nearly
Denniskutl [3d\]: bot vs pro matches are fun only in 9x9, especially with mogo
gord: you have openings in chess that lead you straight to the endgame....
]
;B[dd]BL[911.562]C[joxn [-\]: 39%
]
;W[ng]WL[1692.752]C[gosta [3k\]: still just 16 points plus for w
iPwnNoobs [1k\]: chinese chess != good
evanj [2d\]: that's a lot
kinglao298 [3k\]: just?
]
;B[bl]BL[898.686]C[Larrave [3k\]: thats not even what i mean gord
Warfreak2 [5d\]: gord, you are a fool if you believe that
maldito [4k\]: ignore
ImNoSensei [-\]: that is not small by any means
Naysmith [1d\]: 16 pts is not small
maldito [4k\]: hahaha
Naysmith [1d\]: esp. in 7h game
Uberdude [5d?\]: if playing against itlsef it think it has 60% win chance, it should not play the game thinking it has 60% win
dresu [-\]: I guess it doesn't really matter, this game is played with japanese rules
Larrave [3k\]: warfreak2 hes right but thats not important
CookieMon [11k\]: 570 obvs, epic xD
Warfreak2 [5d\]: if there is an opening that leads straight into the endgame, the player who loses will not play that opening
psun: c8?
Gaijin [6k\]: +20 against 7 handi is a slaughter
gosta [3k\]: ahead since few moves
]
;W[al]WL[1658.19]C[gord: i guess you aren't too familiar with chess then warfreak
gosta [3k\]: teritorially
Warfreak2 [5d\]: but of course there are sequences which the loser will not choose, that's hardly surprising
]
;B[am]BL[884.822]C[burtabel [2d\]: there must be a way to adjust uct to handicap
Larrave [3k\]: i agree with gord;P
kinglao298 [3k\]: b5 
Uberdude [5d?\]: it should realise that of all the last times it hought it had 60% win rate it only won 30%
Larrave [3k\]: you are not familiar with it
Monowire [13k?\]: In chess it is possible to have a database of endless beginnins and also link any midgame to a database of endless endings
]
;W[cl]WL[1644.934]C[gosta [3k\]: but looked ahead very earlier
Uberdude [5d?\]: and thus adjust
Larrave [3k\]: dont take it as an insult
]
;B[ak]BL[877.615]C[NumaiCere: w looking for the end, botrng now
JongilLee [5k\]:   ko
]
;W[bi]WL[1641.183]C[fotland [?\]: yes, I can adjust uct to handicap.  I didn;t do it since games against pros are so rare
Warfreak2 [5d\]: endgame in chess = the result is now known based on what pieces remain
]
;B[bj]BL[870.48]
;W[cj]WL[1638.695]C[danigabi [6d\]: the lead is overwhelimng
JongilLee [5k\]: that great of b is dead
danigabi [6d\]: gets bigger and bigger
dresu [-\]: this bot doesn't try to minimize its loss
gosta [3k\]: oh, forgot, handi
akko888 [22k\]: win rate%?
Albast [9k\]: more prisoners
Gelya [9k\]: a4 
]
;B[im]BL[858.898]C[JongilLee [5k\]: wow
]
;W[dc]WL[1635.141]C[Larrave [3k\]: he just said there are opening in chess where many pieces are traded of early
]
;B[gd]BL[846.507]C[dresu [-\]: so it's natural that difference is getting bigger
Molybdenum [2k\]: lol SE thinks W's right is dead again
]
;W[ge]WL[1629.948]C[Larrave [3k\]: equal material but some advantage and disadvantage for both sides
FreeDoom [1d\]: w just bored i think
gord: not necessarily
gord: some openings are worked out for 30+moves
]
;B[bo]BL[833.917]C[NumaiCere: b ought to resign
]
;W[cn]WL[1626.195]C[Larrave [3k\]: yes
Larrave [3k\]: sicilian is played out
JongilLee [5k\]: no resigns on teaching games
]
;B[cm]BL[827.014]
;W[ap]WL[1624.634]C[NumaiCere: lol
kinglao298 [3k\]: loooooooooooooooooool
dsgqsd: lol
Denniskutl [3d\]: come on, this bot cant even do l&d
]
;B[eq]BL[817.811]C[shifuxue [-\]: nice!
eds01 [9k?\]: B dead, right?
Onmyoji [2d\]: lol
Onmyoji [2d\]: lol
]
;W[er]WL[1617.894]C[wotan123 [2d\]: sicilian or silicium?
Naysmith [1d\]: dead as a rock
]
;B[ao]BL[810.197]C[IGoofy [1d\]: grsded go problem for bots vol i
patrickn [5k\]: stop... stop  hes alreqady dead :)
]
;W[bn]WL[1616.149]C[ckjy [7k\]: Bot is hoping for a mistake?
JongilLee [5k\]: lol
Molybdenum [2k\]: i guess
Naysmith [1d\]: bots can't hope
Onmyoji [2d\]: strongest bot can give this bot 5 handicap
NumaiCere: bot trying to trick the 8p
ckjy [7k\]: Hopiong for a misclick
]
;B[aq]BL[797.531]C[CookieMon [11k\]: resign
uzakcil [17k?\]: res
squirrels [12k?\]: as always
Gresil [-\]: ko!
ManyFacesl: miss
kinglao298 [3k\]: bot is just plain stupid
Gaijin [6k\]: as said, bot cant read future positions, only calculate proababilities and based on current positions
]
;W[mh]WL[1608.24]C[fotland [?\]: trying anything that might work before resigning
Molybdenum [2k\]: haha heck yea
Naysmith [1d\]: haha
joxn [-\]: 15%
Gaijin [6k\]: bot doesnt know it has NO chance yet
pasn [4k\]: poor bot
Denniskutl [3d\]: hehe
]
;B[br]BL[785.029]
;W[cr]WL[1605.655]C[kingblitz [7k\]: bot is playing like a 20k
patrickn [5k\]: loool
francium87 [1k\]: what is the strongest bot?
Washburn86 [4k\]: :)
]
;B[cs]BL[778.535]C[mint [4d\]: MyungWan: 1 GlaDoS: 0
]
;W[ep]WL[1603.455]C[ckjy [7k\]: This is close to the strongest bot
JongilLee [5k\]: hahaha
Molybdenum [2k\]: enjoy your gote death
mmpl: openings played out :) It isn't really true. Mostly a lot of players jump on the latest chess fasion.
wotan123 [2d\]: now confused mode
squirrels [12k?\]: Mfg
]
;B[is]BL[772.211]C[uzakcil [17k?\]: heheeheh
]
;W[gq]WL[1601.483]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: mint, are you saying this was a triumph?
joxn [-\]: MF knows it's losing but it doesn't pay to have your computer resign early
Monowire [13k?\]: the strongest commercial engine for ManyFaces as of yet is 2k
]
;B[hs]BL[765.946]
;W[gs]WL[1599.678]C[Aoiro [8k\]: I waited for J1!!!
Warfreak2 [5d\]: i'm writing a note here: huge success.
Dreamlight [13k\]: ha ha!
Ruddick [9k?\]: manyfaces is PC>
Mem0r3x [1k\]: .............
Ruddick [9k?\]: ?
Albast [9k\]: amazng, a bot without a resign button
iPwnNoobs [1k\]: GoteBot
akko888 [22k\]: hey that isnt nice kingblitz
]
;B[ks]BL[754.695]C[uzakcil [17k?\]: go threat :)
Monowire [13k?\]: I dont know whether this "experimental" version is better than 2k
Washburn86 [4k\]: WTF moves part I
]
;W[js]WL[1597.433]C[JongilLee [5k\]: lol
gre: bot "identifies" where aji is, but doesnt use it right... 
patrickn [5k\]: lol
sempaii [3k\]: xD
patrickn [5k\]: wth
uzakcil [17k?\]: ko *
Mem0r3x [1k\]: Come on....
vducky [6k\]: it's hard to overstate my satisfaction
Yaruki [10k\]: =.=
Dreamlight [13k\]: That was a dumb move by b.
squirrels [12k?\]: they won't release this one
]
;B[dr]BL[745.406]C[Monowire [13k?\]: in either case it is capable of resigning but it does so very late in the game
]
;W[ds]WL[1594.466]C[XSpanier [1k\]: such a game has 581 specs xD
pasn [4k\]: xDDDDDDD
sempaii [3k\]: hahah
BuzzKill [14k\]: LOL
ecgotf [6k\]: why are you all getting worked up?
Basum [17k\]: hahahhahhahahahhahahahhahahahhaahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahhahahah
NumaiCere: oh dear
pastachees [6k\]: hahahaha
uzakcil [17k?\]: ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
DanceNGo [6k\]: loool
lonsan [1k\]: it's hard to overstate our dissatisfactiooooon
Hanezeki [2k\]: the hell is it doing
NumaiCere: b spiteful now
xiexieni [4d\]: go for time win
Wizze [1d\]: the game has resigned
]
;B[dd]BL[737.762]C[ekim1989 [12k\]: To Bad the Bot's not a Mac
ckjy [7k\]: W +time?
ecgotf [6k\]: the bot is trying anything before resigning
CookieMon [11k\]: another stupid move
Naysmith [1d\]: 20k moves time
boondoggle [8k\]: the bot knows timesuji
]
;W[ni]WL[1592.374]C[sempaii [3k\]: that like game
Mem0r3x [1k\]: He is getting crazy
Gresil [-\]: black is playing the moves it deems most likely to bring benefit
JongilLee [5k\]: poor little creature
sempaii [3k\]: yes
Pinchilei [2d?\]: moves getting cloer and closer to 3k
evanj [2d\]: poor Mr Kim, I hope he's getting paid for this :)
sempaii [3k\]: 20k
DanceNGo [6k\]: looooooooooooool
sempaii [3k\]: xD
uzakcil [17k?\]: pooorrrr botttttttttttttt
akko888 [22k\]: hey stop that
]
;B[ai]BL[729.595]C[Onmyoji [2d\]: spam spam
IGoofy [1d\]: the bot thinks i will live forever you will die in some years
Warfreak2 [5d\]: bot will not resign before killing all of it's own groups
JongilLee [5k\]: lolol
takami [-\]: So easy to entertain the KGS crowd.
JongilLee [5k\]: LOOOOOOOOOL
vducky [6k\]: we do what we must because we can
]
;W[ml]WL[1587.63]C[Onmyoji [2d\]: lolollo
Schmidtt [13k\]: KIBITZ OVERLOAD
dsgqsd: 3k plays better pinchilei
Warfreak2 [5d\]: *its
Naysmith [1d\]: haha
]
;B[nl]BL[726.484]C[DanceNGo [6k\]: loool
akko888 [22k\]: id make better moves than this
]
;W[nk]WL[1586.014]C[CookieMon [11k\]: this bot is worse than butterbot
JongilLee [5k\]: LOOOOOOOOL
DanceNGo [6k\]: lolol
CookieMon [11k\]: hahahahahah
iPwnNoobs [1k\]: a11 = power play
Onmyoji [2d\]: LOOLLOLOLOLOLOLLLLLOLOLLOOLOLOLOLOLLOOLOLLOOLOLOL
uzakcil [17k?\]: hahahahahaahahahahah
JongilLee [5k\]: OMG
AurelienC [3d\]: no need to think against this bot, just kill 1 group and in the yose you will get all points
blier [2k\]: argh
XSpanier [1k\]: wohoo
JongilLee [5k\]: HAAAAAAAAAAHAHA
wotan123 [2d\]: silicium lost against carbon
Washburn86 [4k\]: :)
mint [4d\]: wrecked.
Mem0r3x [1k\]: Finally
ManyFacesl: thx
shifuxue [-\]: tightness
sea000 [1d\]: many is durty pl
ecgotf [6k\]: you guys seriously need to calm down
Dreamlight [13k\]: Woohoo!
Albast [9k\]: clap clap clap
uzakcil [17k?\]: ahahahahahahahahahahahahah
Asaliuru [19k\]: klaskklask
JongilLee [5k\]: 수고요
blier [2k\]: o8 XD
Dreamlight [13k\]: Go humans!
goIngo [-\]: thx for the game
Karcusrd [7k\]: we are here robot to human we stand both of us knowing Go is a battlefield
falingsumo [10k?\]: nice
JongilLee [5k\]: 수고요
Aoiro [8k\]: somebody pulled the plug
Molybdenum [2k\]: GO MYUNGWAN!
DanceNGo [6k\]: loooooool
d1 [8k\]: круто
Xbox360yo [2k\]: yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
JongilLee [5k\]: 수고요
kilroy [3d\]: once the bot knows it is losing it will try anything
DanceNGo [6k\]: LOOOL
falingsumo [10k?\]: lolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
Ozer: clap clap clap
Gaijin [6k\]: yeh humans ;)
Asaliuru [19k\]: clap clap :P
ckjy [7k\]: Thank you for the game MyungWan
CookieMon [11k\]: facepalm
Jara [4k\]: terrible finish
JongilLee [5k\]: 수고요
NumaiCere: mrdka počítačová
Faster [4k\]: aAT LAST
sempaii [3k\]: COOL
DanceNGo [6k\]: LOOL
mint [4d\]: MyungWan gets some cake now.
Xbox360yo [2k\]: yeeeeeah
DanceNGo [6k\]: LOOOOOOOL
falingsumo [10k?\]: yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyaaaaaaaaa
squirrels [12k?\]: computers can't reconise patterns
JongilLee [5k\]: 말 한마디만...........
DanceNGo [6k\]: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Washburn86 [4k\]: Seriously, how can you play this poorly if you get 7 stones handicap? :D
Monowire [13k?\]: this kibitz was awful :S
Holmes [-\]: calm down
evave [4k\]: Thats nice bot
fotland [?\]: Good game, well done.  Thanks for playing  MyungWan
JongilLee [5k\]: 말 한마디만 부탁
Seneca [2k\]: good game!
DanceNGo [6k\]: LOOOOOOOL
uzakcil [17k?\]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
lonsan [1k\]: thank you myungwan, fotland
ManyFacesl: again, but with 9 stones? 
Yopla [5k\]: looool
DanceNGo [6k\]: LOLOLOL
Mem0r3x [1k\]: He said Thx!
Xbox360yo [2k\]: llllllllllllllllllllllllllloooooooooooooooooooollllllllllllllllllllllllll
Onmyoji [2d\]: OLOLOLOLLO
sempaii [3k\]: game for computer is not coming
Dreamlight [13k\]: Woohoo!
DanceNGo [6k\]: LOLOLOL
eds01 [9k?\]: Fotland - how do you think it did?  As well, better or worse than expected?
Gaijin [6k\]: we can continue the illusion of our superiority for a while longer now
WoolyMaCha [5k\]:    g g  Myung
DanceNGo [6k\]: LOOOOOOOOL
Xbox360yo [2k\]: llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllloooooooooooooooooooooooooollllllllllllllllllllllll
Onmyoji [2d\]: LOLOLOLOL
squirrels [12k?\]: chalange
Dreamlight [13k\]: bot was playing stupidly in the end.
chipper [-\]: Enoguh spamming Lol
Korea4K [2d\]: 컴터 바둑 문젯점이 초반에는 작동이 되는데 종반에는 작동이 안되어요.
chipper [-\]: I will boot if this continues
al1 [1k\]: THANKS
flarefox99 [?\]: i thougt as much
DanceNGo [6k\]: :\\
JeanVidToi [6k\]: Myung are you tartrate?
Xbox360yo [2k\]: ok
JongilLee [5k\]: 아..
AurelienC [3d\]: admin say lol....
takamifan [4k\]: human conquers again
uzakcil [17k?\]: lolll chipper ^^^
Gaijin [6k\]: thank you for the game
NumaiCere: admin lolled in our face!
MontFuji [6k\]: 14 moves in chess = 100 moves in go
chipper [-\]: No seriously, calm down, enjoy the game
NumaiCere: game over
ckjy [7k\]: Did black have a winning game at move 150?
NumaiCere: thx
sempaii [3k\]: how many spectators here?
fotland [?\]: I didn;t think 7 stones would be enough.  Many Faces is not quite 1 dan
uzakcil [17k?\]: kibitz over
JongilLee [5k\]: 명환 님
Gelya [9k\]: it was 7 stones?
Dreamlight [13k\]: There were as many as 577 at one point.
uzakcil [17k?\]: kbitz*
JongilLee [5k\]: 혹시 이세돌 아니면 이창호 아시세요 연락본호
goIngo [-\]: 578
Asaliuru [19k\]: kibitzers won again :D
masonc [8k\]: Biggest computers are small alongside human brain
JongilLee [5k\]: KGS 으로 좀 오라고 하면
JongilLee [5k\]: 안될까요 ㅋㅋ
Larrave [3k\]: poor bot=(
Dreamlight [13k\]: Humans can still win at go.  I find that reassuring.
Larrave [3k\]: if he had feelings he would be sad now
gavrieltal [9k\]: well he does have Many Faces.
gre: maybe.... he has....
masonc [8k\]: When a *BIG* computer exists it  may be taught to *think*
squirrels [12k?\]: just wait till they teach a supper computer that can reconfigure itself to play go
Larrave [3k\]: yes i guess many faces suits the style of this bot*g*
boondoggle [8k\]: so, right now it's time for the sad face?
mmpl: :) must say I enjoyed the show
JongilLee [5k\]: ㅗ몸
JongilLee [5k\]: haha
gre: at the end he was desperated, and played much worse, the same happens with humans...
Korea4K [2d\]: 그사람들이 본게임소화도 못 하는데 쪽빨이 서버에 왜 와요? 타이젬에서 한번 이창호 초청했는데 돈 엄청 줬는데
Slacker [8k?\]: i bet supercomputers have better things to do than play go
squirrels [12k?\]: but it would be fun!
Larrave [3k\]: he got bored midway of the game;P
masonc [8k\]: yes, count beans
sea000 [1d\]: 그 바쁜 사범들이 머하러 kgs에 오나요  장비도 여기 있ㄴㄴ데
wotan123 [2d\]: calculation the meaning of live
squirrels [12k?\]: at a reate of a million per secon
squirrels [12k?\]: d
mmpl: Can't wait until OpenCL goes mainstream. Ineresting times then.
boondoggle [8k\]: OpenCL is still kind of beta-ish from the feeling it gives me^^
sea000 [1d\]: 장비정도면  kgs는 정벌하고도 남아요
boondoggle [8k\]: and it has a few warts
sea000 [1d\]: 참고로 장비는 한국 아마 초고수입니다 유학생
mmpl: Hope it evolves fater than OpenGL :)
boondoggle [8k\]: (e.g. no specs for binaries or intermediate lang. or anything like that)
sea000 [1d\]: 지금도 미국에 이는지 모르지만
sea000 [1d\]: 김영환 사범도 미국에서 유학중이에요
Korea4K [2d\]: 근데 김명환씨 바둑 봤는데 바둑이 단단하네요 우승 할것같더라구요.
boondoggle [8k\]: meaning, with how it looks atm you'll need to ship source if you want to use OpenCL portably
sea000 [1d\]: 실례 김명환
Korea4K [2d\]: 네^^
Korea4K [2d\]: 잘 두시더라구요 침착하게
sea000 [1d\]: 삼성화재배 8강출신
Korea4K [2d\]: 아 그래요?
Korea4K [2d\]: 글쿠나..
sea000 [1d\]: 젊어서는 한수 했지여
Korea4K [2d\]: 아.. 지금 그럼 40대정도됏나요?
sea000 [1d\]: 30대초잔
Korea4K [2d\]: 아...
sea000 [1d\]: 초반
sea000 [1d\]: 30이 아직인가
sea000 [1d\]: 28-9?
Korea4K [2d\]:  글쿠나 
Korea4K [2d\]: 자 미국에 계신분은 건강하시고 다음에 또 ㅂ뵙죠..
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