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RU[Chinese]SZ[19]HA[4]KM[0.50]TM[0]OT[10x30 byo-yomi]
PW[teytaud]PB[MoGoBot1]DT[2009-08-21]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[MoGoBot1 [?\]: GTP Engine for MoGoBot1 (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare cases)
]RE[W+Resign]
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;W[ik]WL[30]OW[10]C[MoGoBot1 [?\]: GTP Engine for MoGoBot1 (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare cases)
MoGoBot1 [?\]: GTP Engine for MoGoBot1 (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare cases)
MoGoBot1 [?\]: GTP Engine for MoGoBot1 (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare cases)
MoGoBot1 [?\]: GTP Engine for MoGoBot1 (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare cases)
MoGoBot1 [?\]: GTP Engine for MoGoBot1 (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare cases)
MoGoBot1 [?\]: GTP Engine for MoGoBot1 (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare cases)
]
;B[ij]BL[30]OB[7]
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;B[hi]BL[30]OB[7]C[ProGoVerb [5k\]: why didnt anyone tell me about this?
ProGoVerb [5k\]: how strong is white?
]
;W[ek]WL[30]OW[10]C[MoGoBot1 [?\]: GTP Engine for MoGoBot1 (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare cases)
]
;B[gi]BL[30]OB[6]
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;W[ca]WL[30]OW[10]C[MoGoBot1 [?\]: GTP Engine for MoGoBot1 (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare cases)
ProGoVerb [5k\]: .l. D1p
ProGoVerb [5k\]: lol D19 timesuji
]
;B[gm]BL[30]OB[5]
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;W[jm]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[jq]BL[30]OB[5]C[Oloril [1k\]: why is mogo spamming?
]
;W[lm]WL[30]OW[10]C[petri [4k\]: probably it got diconnected and connected again
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;B[hm]BL[30]OB[5]C[Oloril [1k\]: 6 times in 1 move?
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;W[ip]WL[30]OW[9]C[arpad [?\]: unfortunatly yes
petri [4k\]: Most probable explanation still. kgsGtp library send info message whenever it attaches to a game
]
;B[jo]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[nm]WL[30]OW[9]C[Shunko [11k\]: are they both bots?
arpad [?\]: we switched from Huygens to one computer
]
;B[jp]BL[30]OB[5]C[Oloril [1k\]: no, white is 6d according to sweety
petri [4k\]: Teytaud is author. I guess he relaying someones moves?
]
;W[bl]WL[30]OW[9]
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;W[bn]WL[30]OW[9]C[petri [4k\]: B is doing fine. I guess?
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;W[hq]WL[30]OW[9]C[TheBOrg [7k\]: Mogo didnt learn Aji-Keshi , yet?
]
;B[bp]BL[30]OB[5]C[petri [4k\]: a3 would allow B to live?
TheBOrg [7k\]: why didnt keep those moves for Ko fight?
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;W[bo]WL[30]OW[9]C[goIngo [-\]: how does mogo evaluate this?
]
;B[qm]BL[30]OB[5]C[TheBOrg [7k\]: maybe the programmers should learn how to play Go first?
petri [4k\]: Well, in MC reasons are hard justify. Mostly it assumed that often enough opponent does not answer
]
;W[pl]WL[30]OW[9]
;B[qk]BL[30]OB[5]C[TheBOrg [7k\]: my teacher saod Aki Keshi is worse than hitting your head to a wall
petri [4k\]: Mots programmres are lot stonger than you
]
;W[pm]WL[30]OW[9]C[goIngo [-\]: but less strong in talking ;-)
TheBOrg [7k\]: i mean is not advanced concept
]
;B[cj]BL[30]OB[5]C[TheBOrg [7k\]: even a 15kyu knows that
]
;W[dr]WL[30]OW[9]C[petri [4k\]: Well in MC there are no concepts. Thats the whole point
LapinBlanc [?\]: TheBorg: some of the best computers were programmed by very beginner go players. Which means that programming go and playing go does not requier the same skills
]
;B[gr]BL[30]OB[5]C[ZT1LB [3d\]: who is teytaud
]
;W[gq]WL[30]OW[9]C[petri [4k\]: Wrin
goIngo [-\]: one of the fathers of MoGo
TheBOrg [7k\]: relly?
petri [4k\]: ting expert system like GnuGo would require go-skills
]
;B[ql]BL[30]OB[5]C[TheBOrg [7k\]: thats surprise, I though they were professional programmers
LapinBlanc [?\]: We are :)
yoyoma [1d\]: The schedule says white is Shen-Su Chang 6d, is that right?
goIngo [-\]: you can not live from go software
]
;W[qi]WL[30]OW[8]C[petri [4k\]: You can. Japan is big enough market
LapinBlanc [?\]: Ah, no, we are researchers, ManyFaces is commercial
]
;B[pk]BL[30]OB[5]C[TheBOrg [7k\]: good luck on the AI development, but maybe hire a Go professional to help
]
;W[no]WL[30]OW[8]C[TheBOrg [7k\]: or hire me  
goIngo [-\]: we have you, thatis enough
petri [4k\]: Professional go players would of no help in MC go
TheBOrg [7k\]: I know the basic shapes
]
;B[mp]BL[30]OB[5]C[LapinBlanc [?\]: MoGo knows them too :)
]
;W[ok]WL[30]OW[8]C[goIngo [-\]: you can go to pr department
]
;B[oj]BL[30]OB[5]
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;W[hr]WL[30]OW[8]C[TheBOrg [7k\]: Mogo is good fighter, but needs to eat more carrots
]
;B[fq]BL[30]OB[5]C[goIngo [-\]: MoGo % ?
]
;W[er]WL[30]OW[8]C[LapinBlanc [?\]: We don't have that on the parallel version
freddygo [5k\]: so what is the monte carlo thing?
arpad [?\]: sorry, we can't have that
]
;B[on]BL[30]OB[5]C[goIngo [-\]: hmm
qwqw [11k?\]: n bbhbhbhbh
]
;W[mi]WL[30]OW[8]C[qwqw [11k?\]: hi
goIngo [-\]: but you had one year ago ?!
qwqw [11k?\]: n
petri [4k\]: It evaluates the game by simulating  positions after the move with "random" games
]
;B[pj]BL[30]OB[5]C[qwqw [11k?\]: m
LapinBlanc [?\]: on the single-machine version, yes
]
;W[kl]WL[30]OW[8]C[goIngo [-\]: but you had in pamplona
yoyoma [1d\]: goIngo you are still impatient like walking with your father.  ;-P
Shunko [11k\]: is there something special about mogo?
goIngo [-\]: i think
petri [4k\]: And ppicks one that gives best winning chance. Lot more to it. look sesnseis
]
;B[jh]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[lj]WL[30]OW[8]C[goIngo [-\]: yes, I am still young
yoyoma [1d\]: hehe  :)
]
;B[mh]BL[30]OB[5]
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;B[om]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[ol]WL[30]OW[8]C[solacky [1d\]: hi
]
;B[mk]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[nj]WL[30]OW[8]C[freddygo [5k\]: petri, if the program doesnt simulate positions, how else would they program it? i mean thats the obvious approach to making it
]
;B[nh]BL[30]OB[5]C[ZT1LB [3d\]: what about mogo vs zen19
]
;W[pn]WL[30]OW[8]C[ZT1LB [3d\]: ever happened?
goIngo [-\]: in pamplona
TheBOrg [7k\]: nobody programmed a teaching Bot yet, that could be more useful for the Go players
TheBOrg [7k\]: to teach beginners
goIngo [-\]: it was big cinema
petri [4k\]: Well you gould do it like in Chess and have static evaluation function
]
;B[mn]BL[30]OB[5]C[petri [4k\]: Tunes by hand
petri [4k\]: But here you simulate random games from the position 
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;W[nn]WL[30]OW[8]C[LapinBlanc [?\]: TheBorg: Actually, ManyFaces has some teaching abilities
TheBOrg [7k\]: or a Tsumego bot
]
;B[mm]BL[30]OB[5]C[TheBOrg [7k\]: i mean to put it here at KGS
LapinBlanc [?\]: Furthermore, playing against Igowin is a great way to begin Go
lastmonk [6k\]: b in trouble
TheBOrg [7k\]: like fuseki bot, a tsumego bot, or rules bot
]
;W[ml]WL[30]OW[8]C[freddygo [5k\]: does it analyze pro games and try to copy pro moves?
TheBOrg [7k\]: for the little babies
]
;B[kk]BL[30]OB[5]C[petri [4k\]: No thats what old programs did
tooeye [5k\]: the bot looks weak
]
;W[oo]WL[30]OW[8]C[LapinBlanc [?\]: You have that in Manyfaces just buy it :)
petri [4k\]: Here just try every legal move and evaluate it with random games
fotland [?\]: Thanks :)
fotland [?\]: Igowin coming soon for iPhone
fotland [?\]: with much stronger engine
]
;B[lk]BL[30]OB[5]C[goIngo [-\]: MFoG is a good buy
solacky [1d\]: l
goIngo [-\]: I can only recommend it
]
;W[qn]WL[30]OW[8]C[ZT1LB [3d\]: if you dont have the money atm you can always pirate and buy later
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;B[oh]BL[30]OB[5]C[petri [4k\]: Missing R& was a big mistake  :(
petri [4k\]: R6
goIngo [-\]: ZT1LB bullshit
fotland [?\]: mogo trying to kill everything
ZT1LB [3d\]: ?
]
;W[mo]WL[30]OW[8]C[ZT1LB [3d\]: thats what i did
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;B[ln]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[lp]WL[30]OW[8]C[tooeye [5k\]: m4 
tooeye [5k\]: w alive
]
;B[lo]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[op]WL[30]OW[8]C[TheBOrg [7k\]: mogo seems trying to kill and not securing the corner
ZT1LB [3d\]: mogo NEEDS to kill
TheBOrg [7k\]: bad positional judgement
]
;B[mq]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[or]WL[30]OW[8]C[ZT1LB [3d\]: no mogo behind if not kill
ZT1LB [3d\]: good "judgement"
petri [4k\]: B lost now
tooeye [5k\]: q2 
]
;B[pr]BL[30]OB[5]C[joxn [-\]: Or you can buy a 32-core cluster with Windows HPC Server, get the basic ManyFaces engine for free.  But you won't get the nice GUI or any of the teaching tools
joxn [-\]: :-)
TheBOrg [7k\]: you say losing big corner was good?
TheBOrg [7k\]: sorry, I am too weak
]
;W[mr]WL[30]OW[8]C[tooeye [5k\]: ko
yoyoma [1d\]: ah really it's packaged?  haha  :)
]
;B[oq]BL[30]OB[5]C[ZT1LB [3d\]: b loses if no kill
petri [4k\]: Saving the corner would have ment losing. Losing big or losing small are the same
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;W[pq]WL[30]OW[8]C[ZT1LB [3d\]: corner territory doesnt matter
goIngo [-\]: joxn what is price of your machine?
charlesss [9k\]: its only 4 handicap right
]
;B[gp]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[fs]WL[30]OW[8]C[joxn [-\]: goIngo: much more than just buying a copy of ManyFaces for your desktop would be
]
;B[oq]BL[30]OB[5]C[goIngo [-\]: I know, but what is it?
]
;W[ko]WL[30]OW[8]C[goIngo [-\]: 80,000 $ ?
yoyoma [1d\]: hm but I would have a 32 core cluster!  :)
fotland [?\]: lots of ko threats for black in the lower left
ZT1LB [3d\]: care to explain "goIngo [-\]: ZT1LB bullshit"?
]
;B[kn]BL[30]OB[5]C[tooeye [5k\]: mogo will die everywhere
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;W[pq]WL[30]OW[8]C[joxn [-\]: goIngo: not  THAT much.  maybe $15k?
goIngo [-\]: that is ok
TheBOrg [7k\]:  i though you keep the  big and leave the small was a Go Golden Rule
goIngo [-\]: where do you deliver?
ZT1LB [3d\]: maybe less if you build yourself
]
;B[en]BL[30]OB[5]C[petri [4k\]: Not when you are behing and need kill something big to catch up
ZT1LB [3d\]: w still has locals
ZT1LB [3d\]: so probably ok
joxn [-\]: goIngo: you have to order through your local hardware vendor
]
;W[oq]WL[30]OW[7]C[goIngo [-\]: hmm, his margin is too high
]
;B[fm]BL[30]OB[5]C[fotland [?\]: or buy cheap machines and replace OS
goIngo [-\]: I want to have the redmoind custer
goIngo [-\]: redmond
tooeye [5k\]: b2 or tenuki
]
;W[do]WL[30]OW[7]C[Violence [-\]: l7 exists...
TheBOrg [7k\]: a2
goIngo [-\]: have to go for breakfast, bye
]
;B[ep]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[gs]WL[30]OW[7]
;B[ar]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[bs]WL[30]OW[7]C[TheBOrg [7k\]: finally
tooeye [5k\]: it dies
TheBOrg [7k\]: oh
TheBOrg [7k\]: haha
TheBOrg [7k\]: poor mogo
]
;B[br]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[cs]WL[30]OW[7]C[TheBOrg [7k\]: buy him an ice cream
petri [4k\]: Well it  would beat you easily. So not that poor
ZT1LB [3d\]: captureing race!
]
;B[ds]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[es]WL[30]OW[7]C[vagabundo [1k\]: d11?
]
;B[jr]BL[30]OB[5]C[lastmonk [6k\]: but it's playing a 6d so ya still poor mogo
]
;W[ap]WL[30]OW[7]C[ZT1LB [3d\]: b going for other side
ZT1LB [3d\]: no work tho
]
;B[aq]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[ao]WL[30]OW[7]
;B[kf]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[lf]WL[30]OW[7]
;B[md]BL[30]OB[5]C[stg [2d\]: now it will play a few random move, then resign?
]
;W[ne]WL[30]OW[7]
;B[qr]BL[30]OB[5]C[TheBOrg [7k\]: s4?
MoGoBot1 [?\]: thanks for the game
TheBOrg [7k\]: you are welcome
gghideki [3k\]: haha
ZT1LB [3d\]: human intervention?
TheBOrg [7k\]: * gives a cookie to Mogo
ZT1LB [3d\]: is it the hacked client that heighlights board coordiantes when you put your mouse over them in the chat, or the normal client?
TheBOrg [7k\]: please dont use hacked clients
])
