(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Chinese]SZ[19]HA[7]KM[0.50]TM[0]OT[10x30 byo-yomi]
PW[teytaud]PB[Zen19]BR[1d]DT[2009-08-22]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Zen19 [1d\]: GTP Engine for Zen19 (black): Zen version 3.7
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[dp]BL[30]OB[10]
;B[pd]BL[30]OB[10]
;B[dd]BL[30]OB[10]
;B[pp]BL[30]OB[10]
;B[jj]BL[30]OB[10]
;B[dj]BL[30]OB[10]
;B[pj]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[nq]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[np]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[mp]WL[30]OW[10]C[zuzen [1k?\]: interesting
]
;B[no]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[fc]WL[30]OW[10]C[Jackel [3k?\]: Is teytaud going all out?
Hylebos [3k\]: Go human go.
Ferushen [6k\]: hell yeah
]
;B[cf]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[fq]WL[30]OW[10]C[rhuin [8k\]: i want computer to win because im a programmer :O
Jackel [3k?\]: lol
Ferushen [6k\]: won't happen
ZothOmmog [4k\]: can Zen19 hear us?
Jackel [3k?\]: hear?
]
;B[dn]BL[30]OB[10]C[zeb [2k?\]: I want to be better than the computers
DragoFang [20k\]: You'll have to be lopuder
newblet: How do these utc bots work in fuseki? Do they have a fuseki database or do they rely on utc even in this stage of the game?
DragoFang [20k\]: *louder
]
;W[nc]WL[30]OW[10]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: and is i really 1d?
ZothOmmog [4k\]: it
ElNino [2k?\]: no
]
;B[pf]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[qq]WL[30]OW[10]C[mof [3d?\]: it is a sandbagger, 9p strength really
Zanpakuto [1d\]: 1d gets 7 handi?
mof [3d?\]: uses only 1% of the computing capacity, rest is used for arcade games
]
;B[oq]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[mq]WL[30]OW[10]C[roadkill99 [9k\]: thats like my computer
ZothOmmog [4k\]: does it play mario all the time?
]
;B[or]BL[30]OB[10]C[Jackel [3k?\]: isn't r3 a classic bad move?
Ferushen [6k\]: 7 is not enough
]
;W[rn]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[qp]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[rp]WL[30]OW[10]C[zuzen [1k?\]: i think 7 is enough
]
;B[qr]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[rr]WL[30]OW[10]C[kmtarb [1d\]: i think even 9 is not
]
;B[pq]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[rq]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[pn]BL[30]OB[10]C[Ferushen [6k\]: maybe not
zuzen [1k?\]: 9 is sure enough
]
;W[ql]WL[30]OW[10]C[newblet: b has bad shape now
zeb [2k?\]: no way
newblet: should attack w
newblet: b is way overconcentrated
]
;B[pl]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[qk]WL[30]OW[10]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: needs it
rhuin [8k\]: b has no concept of attack! just performs search algorithms lolol
]
;B[pk]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ip]WL[30]OW[10]C[SunnyD [3d\]: why is bot playing faster than the alloted time?
newblet: w stops it from attacking
ZothOmmog [4k\]: drunk
]
;B[jg]BL[30]OB[10]C[newblet: arrogant
]
;W[jd]WL[30]OW[10]C[ElNino [2k?\]: k13?
Zanpakuto [1d\]: he's bender
segfault [1d\]: k13 was really cute
]
;B[if]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[cl]WL[30]OW[10]C[Zanpakuto [1d\]: j14 even cuter
newblet: now b is playing weird
terrorist [3k\]: k14 largest empty spot so comp played
Ferushen [6k\]: yes
]
;B[dl]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[cm]WL[30]OW[10]C[Jackel [3k?\]: Is black got owned by a 2d with a 6-stone handi
Ferushen [6k\]: just wait till comp realizes it has lost
Ferushen [6k\]: short circuit
]
;B[cn]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[cj]WL[30]OW[10]C[newblet: they do weird stuff when they know they lost
ZothOmmog [4k\]: b+ 300
rhuin [8k\]: i wrote  a quick HEX ai for a game at work
]
;B[ci]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[dm]WL[30]OW[10]C[rhuin [8k\]: as soon as it knows its lose for certain, it plays random moves because
]
;B[em]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[dk]WL[30]OW[10]C[rhuin [8k\]: they all return the same value
Zanpakuto [1d\]: ??
]
;B[el]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ek]WL[30]OW[10]C[rhuin [8k\]: i forgot the word. gosh..the same... utility value
newblet: well, in go you get a score as well
rhuin [8k\]: if a loss is certain, every move returns -1
]
;B[bj]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ck]WL[30]OW[10]C[rhuin [8k\]: yes in go, but in hex its all -1
]
;B[fk]BL[30]OB[10]C[rhuin [8k\]: usually means the computer will pick moves sequentially
]
;W[bi]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[bh]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[di]WL[30]OW[10]C[Ferushen [6k\]: poor b
ZothOmmog [4k\]: this bot has Si for brains
mmpl: :)
]
;B[ai]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[fj]WL[30]OW[10]C[SunnyD [3d\]: E6
DragonXiao [6k\]: is this a computer?
Ferushen [6k\]: Ai?
rhuin [8k\]: its really hard to make a go bot :O
newblet: a good strategy for a bot is to try to prolong the game as far as possible when it realizes that it can't win
rhuin [8k\]: hard just to make any kind of bot
ZothOmmog [4k\]: more like an abacus
]
;B[gk]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[en]WL[30]OW[10]C[SunnyD [3d\]: Move 56 SunnyD [3d\]: E6
]
;B[gm]BL[30]OB[10]C[nutn602: http://oase.nutn.edu.tw/FUZZ_IEEE_2009/result.htm
ZothOmmog [4k\]: no luck in running GA for years?
]
;W[ch]WL[30]OW[10]C[zeb [2k?\]: genetic algorithms never gonna work
ZothOmmog [4k\]: why?
zeb [2k?\]: uh
]
;B[dh]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[bi]WL[30]OW[10]C[zeb [2k?\]: why should it work
DragonXiao [6k\]: a lot of them do
ZothOmmog [4k\]: nice ko
zeb [2k?\]: not for a go bot
DragonXiao [6k\]: yes, if you make enough
]
;B[qm]BL[30]OB[10]C[DragonXiao [6k\]: a few years ago, the strongest bot was 10k
Ferushen [6k\]: ko bad for bot
Pyari [-\]: C11
SunnyD [3d\]: where is the 9p at?
ZothOmmog [4k\]: GA makes better antennas than what humans could make
zeb [2k?\]: what would you use as the DNA?
DragonXiao [6k\]: teytaud is 9p
]
;W[ci]WL[30]OW[10]C[Pyari [-\]: Pyari [-\]: C11
mmpl: there is one nice paper on GA use in a simple bot
newblet: a few years ago 10k was a much stronger rank too (before the great KGS rank shift)
]
;B[rm]BL[30]OB[10]C[zeb [2k?\]: "the" great kgs rank shift
DragonXiao [6k\]: DNA is basically a computer program
]
;W[eo]WL[30]OW[10]C[zeb [2k?\]: yeah... somehow I don't see it working
DragonXiao [6k\]: well... i shouldn't say that
Pyari [-\]: Digital Net Analysys
SunnyD [3d\]: S1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
]
;B[go]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[fo]WL[30]OW[10]C[SunnyD [3d\]: 9p doesn't know life and death
Ferushen [6k\]: s1 too slow for 9p
]
;B[gp]BL[30]OB[10]C[Ferushen [6k\]: good for 3d
ZothOmmog [4k\]: 9p knows bots are stupid
newblet: yeah, count it
]
;W[do]WL[30]OW[10]C[newblet: s1 is maybe 20 points
vagabundo [1k\]: I think that nutgo its the pro
Troff [?\]: no time for S1, make it back by killing something else.
SunnyD [3d\]: F5?!!!???!?!?!?!!!
vagabundo [1k\]: teytaud 6d ama
]
;B[fp]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ep]WL[30]OW[10]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: e3!!
]
;B[gq]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[eq]WL[30]OW[10]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: awww
newblet: f5 is shape point. It's the power triangle.
DragonXiao [6k\]: teytaud 9p....
DragonXiao [6k\]: it said so
DragonXiao [6k\]: and i am disappointed, the other player left my game
ElNino [2k?\]: L3
Ferushen [6k\]: sunnyD will get stronger when he learns to let groups die :p
]
;B[iq]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[jq]WL[30]OW[10]C[Ferushen [6k\]: study life and death, loose 2 stones
DragonXiao [6k\]: coming from a 6k, lol
]
;B[ir]BL[30]OB[10]C[smoke [7k\]: don't study l&d, lose 2 groups
Ferushen [6k\]: i'm kidding, i'm kidding
]
;W[jo]WL[30]OW[10]C[mmpl: The trick in GA bots is the fitness function. There is at least one very eat way of doing that for serial multi player games
zeb [2k?\]: b hopes too much
Ferushen [6k\]: we're all 6k to a 9p
]
;B[mo]BL[30]OB[10]C[zeb [2k?\]: no... there's no search space for the GA
DragonXiao [6k\]: B pwned quite badly in bottom left
Nemerid [-\]: ferushen, that's not true
]
;W[im]WL[30]OW[10]C[SunnyD [3d\]: what mean GA????
zeb [2k?\]: genetic algorithm
Ferushen [6k\]: close to true Nemerid
newblet: b got owned quite badly everywhere
SunnyD [3d\]: tx
]
;B[lo]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ik]WL[30]OW[10]C[mmpl: There is actually a search space. You just have to change perspective to find it
zeb [2k?\]: err
DragonXiao [6k\]: B could pwn zeb
zeb [2k?\]: that's the sad part
]
;B[hj]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ij]WL[30]OW[10]C[newblet: Funny, you have to *look* for a search space before you can search through it?
]
;B[ii]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[hi]WL[30]OW[10]C[Ferushen [6k\]: well i hear that 3d would play s1
ZothOmmog [4k\]: of course!
mmpl: Goes for any application
]
;B[gi]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[hh]WL[30]OW[10]C[zeb [2k?\]: well... what parameterswould you allow the GA to mess with
]
;B[gj]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[gh]WL[30]OW[10]C[zeb [2k?\]: shape?
newblet: So the GA would need some kind of a framework to work within?
]
;B[fh]BL[30]OB[10]C[zeb [2k?\]: yeah
]
;W[fi]WL[30]OW[10]C[zeb [2k?\]: and I don't see a framework that would make GA useful
]
;B[fg]BL[30]OB[10]C[newblet: so the effectiveness of the GA would be tied to the framework
]
;W[fm]WL[30]OW[10]C[zeb [2k?\]: mmhm
newblet: Someone once told me that fine-tuning these uct bots is like voodoo magic. Could GA be applied?
]
;B[hg]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ih]WL[30]OW[10]C[zeb [2k?\]: you could use GA to fine tune
goIngo [-\]: MFoG evaluates this with 73 % fpr Black.
Nemerid [-\]: oh, good move
goIngo [-\]: What do other bots think?
]
;B[ji]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[gl]WL[30]OW[10]C[SunnyD [3d\]: ???????????????
mmpl: The trick is a minimaxing fitness function. 
ennuistic [1d\]: its game over now.
]
;B[jh]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[hk]WL[30]OW[10]C[newblet: this game is quite boring for the 9p
]
;B[gg]BL[30]OB[10]C[newblet: nothing like the 9x9 game
zuzen [1k?\]: over
]
;W[fl]WL[30]OW[10]C[Ferushen [6k\]: snap
zeb [2k?\]: famous go problem... b to resign
]
;B[md]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[mc]WL[30]OW[10]C[SunnyD [3d\]: H13?!!!!?!??1!!?!?!!?!!?!?!!??!?!!!??!?!?!?!?
youallare: can this go bot resign?
verydumb: Isn't the game set already?
FakeBeauty [-\]: Computer should be able to read out that situation
]
;B[ld]BL[30]OB[10]C[goIngo [-\]: Now 57 % for Black
]
;W[lc]WL[30]OW[10]C[SunnyD [3d\]: sorry, lost connection, I am 7 moves back
Ferushen [6k\]: welcome back
Ferushen [6k\]: no apology necessary
]
;B[nd]BL[30]OB[10]C[ennuistic [1d\]: should've been at j12 but white still would've conneted.
]
;W[pc]WL[30]OW[10]C[FakeBeauty [-\]: Can k2 live?
newblet: well, monte carlo algorithm is probabilistic in nature, so it can fail....
zeb [2k?\]: "can"
]
;B[qc]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[oc]WL[30]OW[10]C[zeb [2k?\]: -> "will"
goIngo [-\]: 48 % now by MFoG for Black
]
;B[kd]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[kc]WL[30]OW[10]C[Ferushen [6k\]: plz stop the running total
ZothOmmog [4k\]: mfog?
Ferushen [6k\]: many faces of go
]
;B[id]BL[30]OB[10]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: sounds twisted
SunnyD [3d\]: watch your language, zoth
]
;W[od]WL[30]OW[10]C[goIngo [-\]: mfog = Many Faces of Go
goIngo [-\]: version 12.013
DragoFang [20k\]: Mfog = Many Faces of Go
ennuistic [1d\]: just shows that computers are still weak at evaluating position.
Novalys [2k\]: J16 pretty much abusive , lose the corner or middle for nothing : /
DragoFang [20k\]: Since everyone else was saying it...
ennuistic [1d\]: this is 100% will for white.
]
;B[rs]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[pe]WL[30]OW[10]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: s1!
Nemerid [-\]: black can live at J2
Ferushen [6k\]: it was always 100% for w
Novalys [2k\]: wasn't this corner already dead ?
]
;B[qd]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[qe]WL[30]OW[10]C[e563: was s1 necessary to kill? thought it was dead...
ennuistic [1d\]: yeah..
SunnyD [3d\]: 2k doesn't know life and death
ennuistic [1d\]: t5 at any time = dead.
Novalys [2k\]: excellent xD
poirette [1d\]: but it seemed small at this stage
]
;B[qf]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[re]WL[30]OW[10]C[Ferushen [6k\]: sunnyD.. you said that about 9p a few mins ago
]
;B[oe]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[rf]WL[30]OW[10]C[Novalys [2k\]: SunnyD, i asked if it wasn't dead because i'm surprised
zuzen [1k?\]: zen is so strong against1d  but so weak to high dan,,,  why?
Novalys [2k\]: i'd think it's dead 
Nemerid [-\]: do you think black will find the way to live at J2 ?
newblet: i think the corner was dead too
]
;B[rg]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[qg]WL[30]OW[10]C[goIngo [-\]: handicap 7 was/is too small for current bots vs top pro
Zanpakuto [1d\]: b should start playing randomly now
]
;B[pg]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[qh]WL[30]OW[10]C[e563: thats a wrap...
zuzen [1k?\]: or  zen play  murite
ennuistic [1d\]: whats the % on mfog?
]
;B[rh]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[of]WL[30]OW[10]C[about8k: this sort of kind of
ennuistic [1d\]: like 20% now?
smoke [7k\]: lol SE rooting for b
Accelerate [4k\]: r5 made w live
ZothOmmog [4k\]: 9000%!
]
;B[ne]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ph]WL[30]OW[10]C[goIngo [-\]: no, still around 50 % by mfog
chrollo [1d\]: its over 9000%!
ennuistic [1d\]: crazy..
about8k: even bbw is here
]
;B[og]BL[30]OB[10]C[youallare: white is probably knitting a shirt while playing against this bot
verydumb: i think b has a plan 
]
;W[oh]WL[30]OW[10]C[Ferushen [6k\]: mfog obviously isn't watching the game
ZothOmmog [4k\]: tenuki
DragonXiao [6k\]: W S1 lives, it seems
]
;B[ng]BL[30]OB[10]C[SunnyD [3d\]: can't abandon your bro
]
;W[ri]WL[30]OW[10]C[ennuistic [1d\]: black's center is gone now.
Novalys [2k\]: resign only
Nemerid [-\]: yes white was dead without S1
]
;B[kp]BL[30]OB[10]C[goIngo [-\]: has someone mogo running?
]
;W[jp]WL[30]OW[10]C[newblet: [?\]: s1 t2
alexjhu [9k\]: which one is comp?
Ferushen [6k\]: b
]
;B[ic]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[cc]WL[30]OW[10]C[TooFaster: r1 w -live
]
;B[dc]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[db]WL[30]OW[10]C[goIngo [-\]: 45 % by mfog now for blaxck
]
;B[eb]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[cb]WL[30]OW[10]C[about8k: w is now having fun with the botty
ZothOmmog [4k\]: fun?
]
;B[rd]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[sh]WL[30]OW[10]C[poirette [1d\]: who is white please?
Ferushen [6k\]: that was it
goIngo [-\]: chou 9p
Ferushen [6k\]: b fryin out
]
;B[se]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[sg]WL[30]OW[10]C[poirette [1d\]: thank you
]
;B[pb]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ob]WL[30]OW[10]C[nosebleed [2k\]: Chun-Hsun Chou 9p
ZothOmmog [4k\]: life?
]
;B[pa]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[rb]WL[30]OW[10]C[zeb [2k?\]: b to kill p17
SunnyD [3d\]: chou is in taiwan???
newblet: b fails at L&D
Accelerate [4k\]: s1 t2 t7 t8 t6 s5 r5 r6 t5 t3 s8 = life
zeb [2k?\]: l&d is hard
about8k: bot failed back to 14k algorithm now
OponeOsaka [5k\]: B plays like 20k ehre
goIngo [-\]: he is playing in korea in this moment
Ferushen [6k\]: b short circut
ZothOmmog [4k\]: b coulda lived
]
;B[qb]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ra]WL[30]OW[10]C[youallare: Zen19 stone pummeling :)
verydumb: there's noway for b to come back
]
;B[jb]BL[30]OB[10]C[Zanpakuto [1d\]: how could he have lived
about8k: bot is trying to deceive white
]
;W[sc]WL[30]OW[10]C[zeb [2k?\]: not going for uncoditional life
Nemerid [-\]: if black plays K2 he can live I think
goIngo [-\]: around 40 % now by mfog
zeb [2k?\]: going for kill
DragonXiao [6k\]: resign already
]
;B[jr]BL[30]OB[10]C[Nemerid [-\]: ahh
]
;W[kq]WL[30]OW[10]C[Nemerid [-\]: L2
]
;B[oa]BL[30]OB[10]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: lol
]
;W[na]WL[30]OW[10]C[Nemerid [-\]: F2, H1
DragoFang [20k\]: Wow
newblet: this bot is nothing if not persistent
zeb [2k?\]: n19
Nemerid [-\]: for black
DragoFang [20k\]: Even I saw that as a fail
]
;B[ma]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[nb]WL[30]OW[10]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: f2 h1 e2
Ferushen [6k\]: nemerid the zenbot
zeb [2k?\]: l19
zeb [2k?\]: or k17
]
;B[ec]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[be]WL[30]OW[10]C[DragonXiao [6k\]: maybe it can win with 9 handi?
DragonXiao [6k\]: probably still not
ZothOmmog [4k\]: no
DragonXiao [6k\]: 6 handi too little
]
;B[cd]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[bd]WL[30]OW[10]C[Nemerid [-\]: (f2 and H1 for black I mean)
]
;B[bf]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[kr]WL[30]OW[10]C[FakeBeauty [-\]: Ouch
goIngo [-\]: hmmm, mfog back at 50 %
ElNino [2k?\]: 12 handi 
OponeOsaka [5k\]: at least the bot is not a chronic escaper
Nemerid [-\]: now it is dead
ZothOmmog [4k\]: wait and see
]
;B[jk]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[nh]WL[30]OW[10]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: these bots escape all the time
DragonXiao [6k\]: ok, bored
]
;B[jm]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[jn]WL[30]OW[10]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: ingalliuius basterds
about8k: bots have a escape subroutine
stg [2d\]: maybe mfog does not think the upper right corner is complete dead
goIngo [-\]: it seems so
]
;B[ae]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ac]WL[30]OW[10]C[zeb [2k?\]: I'd love to here the pro's comments after the game
about8k: a shodan bot like Zen19 is useful to train low kyus?
gghideki [3k\]: YES!
ElNino [2k?\]: no
ZothOmmog [4k\]: no
]
;B[ni]BL[30]OB[10]C[SunnyD [3d\]: yes
]
;W[mg]WL[30]OW[10]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: you will play like a bot
ElNino [2k?\]: no
goIngo [-\]: yes, especilly, at killing technique
ZothOmmog [4k\]: and get horrible habits
zeb [2k?\]: is that still true?
]
;B[il]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[hm]WL[30]OW[10]C[ecgotf [6k\]: look at this game.
]
;B[nf]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[mi]WL[30]OW[10]C[newblet: some of the moves here have been horrible, but once in a while even 1d make these bad moves
about8k: b is not low kyu
]
;B[bb]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ba]WL[30]OW[10]C[goIngo [-\]: 52 % by mfog
ecgotf [6k\]: the difference is that the 1d could tell you why they were bad moves
themyr0n [3k\]: what does the % mean?
]
;B[ks]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[mr]WL[30]OW[10]C[about8k: 9d's make shodan's moves look all bad :-D
goIngo [-\]: winning rate in monte carlo playouts
]
;B[fr]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[er]WL[30]OW[10]C[goIngo [-\]: 52 % percent means - almost balanced
zeb [2k?\]: so... is every go bot using monte carlo now?
goIngo [-\]: every strong one
newblet: mfog does monte carlo now?
goIngo [-\]: right, version 12.xyz
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;B[hs]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[gr]WL[30]OW[10]C[about8k: I hope the percent subroutine be not made of parts of SE
goIngo [-\]: it would improve se
themyr0n [3k\]: wait... this bot thinks it has a 50/50 shot to win this game?
goIngo [-\]: it seems so
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;B[lh]BL[30]OB[10]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: f1!
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;W[mh]WL[30]OW[10]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: doh
goIngo [-\]: maybe zen evaluates differently
themyr0n [3k\]: this bot's counting it weak
themyr0n [3k\]: is*
nosebleed [2k\]: f1 fails
Smorange [8k\]: if f1, white k1
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;B[jc]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[sd]WL[30]OW[10]C[goIngo [-\]: 44 % for Black by mfog
Nemerid [-\]: before L2, it lives
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;B[ms]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ns]WL[30]OW[10]C[zeb [2k?\]: m12 only hurt b?
stg [2d\]: I think that's because the upper right corner becomes more settled.
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;B[fs]BL[30]OB[9]
;W[js]WL[30]OW[10]C[kmtarb [1d\]: is random simulation used for tactical reading like life&death?
mendes [6k?\]: who is teytand?
goIngo [-\]: 35 % for Black now
Zanpakuto [1d\]: 9p
mendes [6k?\]: thx
nosebleed [2k\]: Chun-Hsun Chou 9p
goIngo [-\]: teytaud operates zen
mendes [6k?\]: thx 
gghideki [3k\]: Cong Chou
youallare: don't bots usually need more time to be able to be stronger?
verydumb: atlast
OponeOsaka [5k\]: the bot is well mannered and resigns when losing
WWWWWWWWWV [1d\]: unlike many
OponeOsaka [5k\]: yep
ZothOmmog [4k\]: i hear this bot beats his wife
about8k: "a lot of W" is right
nutn602: Chun-Hsun Chou (9P) 
themyr0n [3k\]: bot should've taken it to a count and then escaped
goIngo [-\]: in final position mfog gives 27 % for Black
newblet: [?\]: youallare, longer thinking times for the bot would make the game boring without increasing the bot's strength too much
about8k: sorry, "a lot of W and one V"
about8k: Zen19 is open source?
dkiller [4k\]: no
about8k: shame
goIngo [-\]: no, it will become commercial september 18
WWWWWWWWWV [1d\]: I heard he's 1d
WWWWWWWWWV [1d\]: :D
goIngo [-\]: in japan only
newblet: lol
ZothOmmog [4k\]: what goes into a bot?
goIngo [-\]: price 13,000 yen
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