(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Chinese]SZ[9]KM[7.50]TM[1800]
PW[Fuego]PB[nutngo]WR[2k]DT[2009-08-22]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Fuego [2k\]: GTP Engine for Fuego (white): BlueFuego version 0.4.SVN
]RE[W+2.50]
;B[ee]BL[1794.844]
;W[dg]WL[1799.821]
;B[eg]BL[1707.578]
;W[fc]WL[1799.314]
;B[dc]BL[1564.345]
;W[eh]WL[1799.152]C[Remember [1k\]: b is a pro then?
ztw [?\]: yes
Remember [1k\]: fuego has used 1 second lol
seta [1d\]: go go computer!
]
;B[fh]BL[1462.518]C[Monowire [10k\]: what exactly is the purpose of this game?
Khronos90 [3k\]: nice, 3 moves in 1 sec
Monowire [10k\]: why is there no handicap?
Remember [1k\]: its to show the abilities of computer go
Vanilla [-\]: handicap on a 9x9 board is killer
seta [1d\]: yeah
Remember [1k\]: on a 9x9 board computers are beast
Monowire [10k\]: we are talking about a 9p here
Cannon [2d?\]: OH MY GOD
Cannon [2d?\]: 9x9
Shana [2d\]: give me 9h on a 9x9 board and ill beat anyone xD
seta [1d\]: 9p 
seta [1d\]: so??
Monowire [10k\]: so its a 9p vs a 2k
seta [1d\]: ................
derp [1k\]: but the 2k isn't sentient.. yet
Monowire [10k\]: unless he beats the 2k silly this competition is meaningless
soporific [4k\]: comp like 2d on 9 x 9
seta [1d\]: even 9p handi me 5 stone 9x9
Remember [1k\]: computer is like pro on 0x0..
seta [1d\]: i'll kkill him easy
Cannon [2d?\]: shana
Remember [1k\]: 9x9*
Cannon [2d?\]: are you by any chance european?
Shana [2d\]: why
Remember [1k\]: this is the only move he's thought about
Slurm [7k\]: this game played in taiwan?
]
;W[dd]WL[1680.079]C[akko888 [18k\]: lol 0x0 with .5 komi
Kuhi [12k\]: No, 1x1 is better
Cannon [2d?\]: because you seem very earopean
gogolady: nutngo is 9p?
Kuhi [12k\]: Instant lack of libs
ztw [?\]: yes
seta [1d\]: that's 7.5 lomi
seta [1d\]: komi
seta [1d\]: =.=
akko888 [18k\]: this is taking forever
]
;B[ef]BL[1373.327]C[Remember [1k\]: because its so complicated already
Vanilla [-\]: we can't all read as fast as you akko
soporific [4k\]: 18ks have strong reading
Vanilla [-\]: mhm
]
;W[ed]WL[1623.63]C[Remember [1k\]: every move is so game-shifting
Cannon [2d?\]: are you shana?
Shana [2d\]: nay
Uberdude [5d\]: is this b the one who won lg cup?
Remember [1k\]: me??
Cannon [2d?\]: whereyou from shana?
Totti10 [3k\]: whats b's best move here?
Kuhi [12k\]: Resign
Totti10 [3k\]: besides that
ztw [?\]: yes, BLACK is Chou 9p who won LG cup
erkkierkki [7k\]: escape
Totti10 [3k\]: thats better
Uberdude [5d\]: e4 surprised me
erkkierkki [7k\]: definetly, you arent losing time when thinking
Uberdude [5d\]: i'd have cut
Uberdude [5d\]: without even reading
Cannon [2d?\]: WOAH
Cannon [2d?\]: THIS PRO
Remember [1k\]: then you would apparently have been wrong
Cannon [2d?\]: HE IS LIKE AMONG THE TOP 10 IN THE WORLD
Uberdude [5d\]: Remember, let's wait and see who wins 
Totti10 [3k\]: your caps is broken
Uberdude [5d\]: i prefer w here
Estrella [5k\]: 1x1 board makes no sense, neither player can play :(
Makubesu [5k\]: Go black, mere mortals represent!
kinglao298 [3k\]: c7 
Cannon [2d?\]: my shift is working fine, thankfully
zmb [9k\]: d2 
gogadget [4k\]: c4 
kinglao298 [3k\]: c4 
kinglao298 [3k\]: explosive move
Uberdude [5d\]: there was a guy at work who didn't know about shuft for caps
gogolady: is nutngo 9p of Taiwan?
Uberdude [5d\]: eben to type initial caps
Uberdude [5d\]: he used caps lock
mosdefgo [-\]: where do u work?
Totti10 [3k\]: must be a ddk
gogadget [4k\]: mental hospital?
mosdefgo [-\]: lol
Uberdude [5d\]: you would be forgiven for thinking that =)
Uberdude [5d\]: britain's biggest software comopany =)
gogolady: sweet said nutngo is 9p; is that true/
Estrella [5k\]: britain makes software?
gogadget [4k\]: lol
Uberdude [5d\]: b also spelt Zhou Junxun
Cannon [2d?\]: HUH
Cannon [2d?\]: HOW CAN HE BE STUCK
Remember [1k\]: how much you want to bet b is calculating to the end of the game right now
gogolady: that red face player?
Cannon [2d?\]: go pro not able to afford internet that is lag free?
Sanaelar [9k?\]: more observers in this 9x9 game than any in history!
akko888 [18k\]: this IS aboslute time
Totti10 [3k\]: hard to tell what the computer will do
Uberdude [5d\]: gogo, yes he has some mark on face
Makubesu [5k\]: Does computer calculate during opponent's turn?
akko888 [18k\]: a9
Sanaelar [9k?\]: no idea, I assume so
gogolady: thank you very much,and why they play on 9x9 and on here?
ThiGar [7k\]: how come the pro has black?
mof [3d?\]: taiwan is a small place, not room for 19x19
Estrella [5k\]: I don't think so makubesu
gogolady: ^)_^
mof [3d?\]: ;)
gogadget [4k\]: c7 ?
SColbert [3d\]: looks like b can't win 
gogolady: who own the bot?
Totti10 [3k\]: i agree
Sanaelar [9k?\]: Fuego is the program I believe
Uberdude [5d\]: cos bot good at 9x9
Uberdude [5d\]: pro will easily win 19
gogolady: program isn't the bot?
Estrella [5k\]: lol see fuego shows up as afk in the user window
nutngo3: Yes, fuego is a computer Go program.
akko888 [18k\]: and 7.5 komi
Sanaelar [9k?\]: in a 9x9 I believe some of hte bot programs just power blast it. Have every sequence preprogramed for most of hte game
gogolady: this Pro_gram and that Pro 
]
;B[gd]BL[688.383]
;W[ce]WL[1620.946]C[ate [4k\]: lol
]
;B[cf]BL[648.38]C[erkkierkki [7k\]: would be huge lol if white resigns now
Totti10 [3k\]: b used a lot of time there
]
;W[bf]WL[1575.986]C[soporific [4k\]: i think its possible that b will lose on time
Shana [2d\]: if b loses by time then it would be so sad
Sanaelar [9k?\]: better to use the time to think that make hasty moves though
Cannon [2d?\]: I think the game is lagged
Cannon [2d?\]: by the presence of pro
seta [1d\]: .....................
seta [1d\]: look like w is winning
Civilian [10k\]: C3 !
]
;B[gc]BL[591.788]C[akko888 [18k\]: c3
Suicide [-\]: g7 is bigger atm.
Estrella [5k\]: b counting, perhaps
Kuhi [12k\]: Black is going to count it out so that it's a tie
]
;W[cg]WL[1523.081]C[Totti10 [3k\]: big move, but most of them are on 9x9
]
;B[fb]BL[580.781]C[akko888 [18k\]: d2
Suicide [-\]: That would be impressive with komi, Kuhi...
Uberdude [5d\]: b will get d2 and win
Remember [1k\]: what to do
Suicide [-\]: Dae's Rule: Whomever gets tengen first wins.
Kuhi [12k\]: Well, ignoring the .5 of course. Haven't you ever read HikunoGo?
Suicide [-\]: Never heard of it, Kuhi.
akko888 [18k\]: there is no tengen here
Remember [1k\]: fail akko
akko888 [18k\]: there is fivegen
]
;W[eb]WL[1471.585]C[Asaliuru [14k\]: there is 7.5 komi so black must to think how get that big adventage
Suicide [-\]: E5 is tengen, akko.
Sanaelar [9k?\]: *states at E5
Shana [2d\]: kuhi, most of us havent read hikunogo but we watched hikaru no go
Makubesu [5k\]: haha fivegen
akko888 [18k\]: fivegen, 5,5 not tengen, 10,10
Sanaelar [9k?\]: .....white mistake?
Cannon [2d?\]: 9p getting his behind kicked
Suicide [-\]: I sincerely hope you're joking.
newdude [9k\]: no mistake
Cannon [2d?\]: rare sight
cosmic5344 [4d\]: 7.5 is a HUGE komi on a 9x9 board
Olmerek [9k\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?Tengen
Shana [2d\]: its a huge komi for any board
soporific [4k\]: komi is supposed to be the value of sente
soporific [4k\]: so it is always the same
Shana [2d\]: oh really?
soporific [4k\]: maybe not ALWAYS
Shana [2d\]: if u change the rules then sente is worth less?
Uberdude [5d\]: soporific, no
SColbert [3d\]: e7 d8 f6 c7 d2 c2 e1 
borrrden [8k\]: Well the bot won today on the other game and the bot played white too....
SColbert [3d\]: this is one way
Uberdude [5d\]: that is just wrong
Cannon [2d?\]: just imagine
SColbert [3d\]: e7 f6 d8 
soporific [4k\]: then what is komi?
SColbert [3d\]: another way
Cannon [2d?\]: if you lose by .5 point in 9x9
Cannon [2d?\]: that
Cannon [2d?\]: equals losing with 300 points in 19x19
fairgo1 [1d\]: bots are pros at 9 by 9 :X
Uberdude [5d\]: komi is the compensariuon white needs so that the game is close between equal players
Asaliuru [14k\]: bot + time
Shana [2d\]: bots are pros... nvm they arent
borrrden [8k\]: does bot + time happeN?
borrrden [8k\]: I assumed the bot took the time left into consideration and limited itself accordingly
Totti10 [3k\]: i dont see why it couldnt
Remember [1k\]: hes not goingg to lose by time. this is the last battle that requires reading
Javaness [2d\]: E7 or not E7?
Tetriste [-\]: e7 sounds right
blier [1k\]: it's not so difficult to see that sente on a 6x6 board is worth more than on a 19x19 board
Suicide [-\]: f6 e7 d2
Remember [1k\]: yea but there are less points, i.e. komi is bigger too
Totti10 [3k\]: e7 seems like the only move maybe b is lagging
SColbert [3d\]: e3 b worries about f6
cosmic5344 [4d\]: think the bot won no matter what
Tetriste [-\]: on e7 if connect D8. If G8, then takes, right?
Shana [2d\]: imaging a 7.5 komi on a 2x2 board xD
cosmic5344 [4d\]: e7 f6 if white gets in, i feel that white would be happy
blier [1k\]: :)
Civilian [10k\]: white can't be happy he's a bot!
Tetriste [-\]: but black gets in in exchange
SColbert [3d\]: right
Tetriste [-\]: both get in
SColbert [3d\]: w has to get in
soporific [4k\]: b wants to read out every move
akko888 [18k\]: w+time
SColbert [3d\]: otherwise b wins
SColbert [3d\]: tough for b to win
vagabundo [1k\]: e9 maybe?
SColbert [3d\]: if w f6
vagabundo [1k\]: can be ko
Remember [1k\]: TENUKI
Totti10 [3k\]: b loses if f6
Asaliuru [14k\]: tenuki on 9x9 ? :P
Javaness [2d\]: black will lose on time if he doesn't watch out
]
;B[gb]BL[271.461]C[Civilian [10k\]: fiveuki?
akko888 [18k\]: e9 d9 f9 g8 g9 but nvm
SColbert [3d\]: wow
Remember [1k\]: black gets sente?
gogolady: but fuego is only 2k
Remember [1k\]: no hes much more than 2k
SColbert [3d\]: b wants to play d8
soporific [4k\]: his rank is a lie
SColbert [3d\]: instead of e7
Suicide [-\]: w wins by 9.5?
Javaness [2d\]: these bots are very strong on 9x9
SColbert [3d\]: d2 feels like the biggest
Shana [2d\]: it would be funny if pro didnt count komi and loses by 6.5 while thinking hes ahead
]
;W[cc]WL[1421.834]C[Tetriste [-\]: I'm not convinced of g8 :(
korigan [5k\]: 2h un 19*19, more in 9*9
Daspied [19k\]: what rank is nutngo really?
sumey [4k\]: what rank is nutngo¿
SColbert [3d\]: now go d2
fairgo1 [1d\]: 6d
akko888 [18k\]: he is ?
Hometet [9k\]: he is a nut
]
;B[dh]BL[250.852]C[fairgo1 [1d\]: lol
Shana [2d\]: Chun-Hsun Chou 9p vs Fuego
Hometet [9k\]: f6
gogolady: I dont think b will lose the game
Daspied [19k\]: Is this computer just bruteforcing every outcome?
Harleqin [2d\]: I wonder if D8 wouldn't have been bigger
Totti10 [3k\]: d2 was big
]
;W[ch]WL[1374.115]
;B[ei]BL[249.468]C[SColbert [3d\]: i think w wins
Suicide [-\]: hmm...looking like b +.5 now.
borrrden [8k\]: brute forcing is still impracticle
akko888 [18k\]: probably being run by IBM Roadrunner at the moment.
Monowire [10k\]: no way it is brute-forcing
strfry [13k\]: bruteforcing is too complex
Thanshin [4k?\]: Daspied, even in small sizes, that's not really practical in go.
borrrden [8k\]: it's pruning first moves based on heuristic
]
;W[fd]WL[1326.464]
;B[fe]BL[245.791]C[strfry [13k\]: he is playing random moves and calculates statistics about them
Monowire [10k\]: brute forcing is the exact opposite - too easy but intractable
borrrden [8k\]: and then playing variations from there
vagabundo [1k\]: I count white ahead by 1.5
SColbert [3d\]: b has e9
SColbert [3d\]: in sente
Tetriste [-\]: is g3 for white going anywhere or it's doomed to fail?
SColbert [3d\]: that's 4 points
vagabundo [1k\]: oh, chiness rules
Makubesu [5k\]: I imagine it prunes certain variations with a certain probability based on some scoring system
Sheeple [3k\]: w would have resigned if he wasn't sure of win by now
]
;W[fa]WL[1280.747]C[akko888 [18k\]: a2 :)
Suicide [-\]: I agree, vaga.
SColbert [3d\]: f9 biggest
]
;B[ga]BL[239.82]C[gogolady: wasn't there an old game by bot and another pro?
SColbert [3d\]: then b gets c1
SColbert [3d\]: then connect at d4
Suicide [-\]: It's ok, SColbert, b's only chance to win is ko.
]
;W[ea]WL[1238.589]
;B[ci]BL[238.706]C[Suicide [-\]: b1 b2
Javaness [2d\]: answer me
Suicide [-\]: *answers Java*
SColbert [3d\]: 28 to 22 otherwise
SColbert [3d\]: right?
noooblet: [31k\]: w can't ko
soporific [4k\]: chinese rules
yoyoma [1d\]: w+0.5
Thanshin [4k?\]: What was the question?
Suicide [-\]: I have 33 to 34.5
]
;W[bh]WL[1197.087]
;B[bi]BL[236.408]C[Suicide [-\]: O_o
borrrden [8k\]: i don't know how to count chinese
Totti10 [3k\]: w should win with a 7.5 komi
Suicide [-\]: d4?
noooblet: w+2.5
SColbert [3d\]: just d4
SColbert [3d\]: w wins
]
;W[df]WL[1155.709]
;B[ah]BL[233.97]C[Suicide [-\]: ko for .5 win
Makubesu [5k\]: I feel like black really needs to split white to win on 9x9
akko888 [18k\]: lol
Javaness [2d\]: *\\o/* go humanity *\\o/*
clickifcan [21k?\]: mistake 
gogolady: is b trying to make ko?
soporific [4k\]: lol
Suicide [-\]: no, no mistake
Suicide [-\]: ko is b's only chance
vagabundo [1k\]: a3 d5 and ko?
fairgo1 [1d\]: game over white wins
Kuhi [12k\]: I'm telling you, black is going to tie it with a .5 win
noooblet: [31k\]: b can't win this ko
Suicide [-\]: a3 d1
clickifcan [21k?\]: by black isnt that a bad move
]
;W[ag]WL[1116.417]
;B[de]BL[220.086]C[Suicide [-\]: or a3 d5, 2 step ko...
Aberrance [9k\]: Isn't full komi quite silly on 9x9?
]
;W[ai]WL[1101.279]C[vagabundo [1k\]: yes, but black lose the other way
Makubesu [5k\]: no, black has big advantage by playing first
yoyoma [1d\]: Aberrance, what do you think komi should be on a 5x5 board?
]
;B[cb]BL[208.824]C[Tetriste [-\]: 1x1 board?
SColbert [3d\]: lol
]
;W[bc]WL[1086.952]
;B[ah]BL[206.063]C[borrrden [8k\]: without D1 this is a little pointless......isn't it?
soporific [4k\]: g5
Makubesu [5k\]: 2 step ko
Cannon [2d?\]: hahaa
Cannon [2d?\]: great day in history
Shana [2d\]: i think komi should always be 7.5 since i keep getting w when we do nigiri...
Javaness [2d\]: life and death is hard on 1x1
Aberrance [9k\]: I would actually think that blacks advantage on a 9x9 board would be less point-wise for starting on 9x9 then on 19x19.
]
;W[ec]WL[1044.963]C[Suicide [-\]: d1
derp [1k\]: so, japanese rules b would have lost?
Sheeple [3k\]: w such a spoilsport bot
yoyoma [1d\]: Aberrance, why?
]
;B[di]BL[192.125]C[SColbert [3d\]: b has no threat
]
;W[ai]WL[1038.414]
;B[cd]BL[189.523]C[Shana [2d\]: sure he does
Aberrance [9k\]: les points on the board
Makubesu [5k\]: e7 very interesting, takes advantage of chinese rules to kill threat
noooblet: [31k\]: that's no threat....?
yoyoma [1d\]: Aberrance, on 5x5 board black can win by 25 poitns
SColbert [3d\]: this is not a threat
noooblet: [31k\]: fill ko
fairgo1 [1d\]: huh?
Uberdude [5d\]: e7 strong
Tetriste [-\]: C6 is a threat?
yoyoma [1d\]: so for 5x5, the komi is even larger
soporific [4k\]: hope 
]
;W[ah]WL[1015.18]C[noooblet: [31k\]: it's a bluff
Cannon [2d?\]: c6 is bullcrap
SColbert [3d\]: lol
SColbert [3d\]: over
akko888 [18k\]: 5x5 b wins by playing at twogen
Tetriste [-\]: try to bluff a computer -.-
]
;B[]BL[189.522]C[kinglao298 [3k\]: bluff
neHTIOx [3k\]: 0,5
cosmic5344 [4d\]: bots dont get tricked lol
clickifcan [21k?\]: shouldnt white try and see if he can survive at g5
akko888 [18k\]: threegen*
Trajan13 [-\]: c6 wasnt good 
noooblet: [31k\]: bot tries to prolong game as much as possible
Sheeple [3k\]: doesn't matter, he knew he was losing
Tetriste [-\]: the end~
Suicide [-\]: click, why?
chunobi [6k\]: how do u have a 31k?
YeknomGib [4k\]: he doesn't
Thanshin [4k?\]: Aberrance, possible points don't matter if each player gets the same points with the alternating moves, so the only difference is the first move and the last. The last is small so usually we try to estimate the cost of the first.
akko888 [18k\]: [31k\]
clickifcan [21k?\]: because if he plays and you die you dont lose anything
skeng [6k\]: notice the extra colon
Suicide [-\]: chunobi, notice the first colon...
]
;W[]WL[966.227]TW[aa][ba][ca][da][ab][bb][cb][db][ac][dc][ad][bd][cd][ae][be][af][cf][bg]TB[ha][ia][hb][ib][hc][ic][hd][id][ge][he][ie][ff][gf][hf][if][fg][gg][hg][ig][eh][gh][hh][ih][fi][gi][hi][ii]C[Shana [2d\]: looks like c8 bad move...
Aberrance [9k\]: yes, I see that
Dreamlight [13k\]: >.<
Cannon [2d?\]: VICTORY
Suicide [-\]: click, w also gains nothing.
akko888 [18k\]: ai
seta [1d\]: :)
Psychee [9k\]: 7.5 komi on 9*9?
clickifcan [21k?\]: i know
BenjaminGl [11k\]: who is bot?
Javaness [2d\]: :'-(
cosmic5344 [4d\]: bots: 2, humans: 0
YeknomGib [4k\]: We are doomed.
seta [1d\]: w is bot
mmueller [-\]: Thanks for the game
Hometet [9k\]: w = bot
Asaliuru [14k\]: pros are overrated
BenjaminGl [11k\]: they are taking over the WORLD
Asaliuru [14k\]: :)
YeknomGib [4k\]: I remember this from Terminator 5
gogolady: bot !
Shana [2d\]: pros are horrible on 9x9...
gghideki [3k\]: Cong Mueller
Trajan13 [-\]: Im looking for Sarah Connor
Olmerek [9k\]: all your base belong to us
Trajan13 [-\]: bziiiiiiiii
Trajan13 [-\]: lol olmerek ^^
Suicide [-\]: +are, Olme
Makubesu [5k\]: Hard beginning for black, amazing to get this close, I'd have been totally crushed
gogolady: the bot's master should be proud of it
DoubleLion [2k\]: resistance is futile:p
clickifcan [21k?\]: bwah ha ha
clickifcan [21k?\]: ha
gogolady: b didn't not really lost for the close points
cosmic5344 [4d\]: well, normal 9x9 games hav 5.5 komi, and if b didnt throw a stone into c6, black wouldve won by 0.5
clickifcan [21k?\]: ism
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