(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Chinese]SZ[19]HA[7]KM[0.50]TM[900]
PW[MyungWan]PB[MoGoTiTan]WR[8p]DT[2008-09-21]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[MoGoTiTan [-\]: GTP Engine for MoGoTiTan (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare cases)
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[dd]BL[899.668]
;B[dj]BL[899.467]
;B[dp]BL[899.258]
;B[pd]BL[899.049]
;B[pj]BL[898.84]
;B[pp]BL[898.631]
;B[jj]BL[898.421]C[Warfreak2 [3d\]: mogo the best
GlebD [3d\]: only 7 ???
Demi [1k\]: and only 15 minutes?
Americano: shh
daladim [-\]: 7 stones oO
GoteGoat [-\]: go go moar go
Warfreak2 [3d\]: mogo will lose for sure
teytaud [-\]: only 15 minutes is just a preliminary game
pasky [1d\]: why do they play these blitzes?
Oroth [7k\]: they're playing some blitz i think first
ShihChing [6k\]: k16
Warfreak2 [3d\]: but my heart says it should win
pasky [1d\]: b will die miserably
]
;W[nq]WL[870.955]C[flippant [5k\]: cool
horos22 [4k\]: same stats as last time?
Americano: make quiet chat please
MyungWan [8p\]: hi
GuuChan [1k\]: damn, someone please shut Americano's eyes please
GuuChan [1k\]: s/please$//
LapinBlanc [2d?\]: That's just a blitz for fun
teytaud [-\]: hi; thanks for playing with mogo
og [9k\]: americano, clone the game if you don't want to read kibbitz
daladim [-\]: oO
horos22 [4k\]: same processor stats as last time?
Warfreak2 [3d\]: mogo escaped?
daladim [-\]: mogo not here
bigfatcat [2d?\]: or just right click on each name and check censor...
GuuChan [1k\]: looks like (cpu stats)
ddoshay [7k?\]: mogo clock stopped
MoGoTiTan [-\]: GTP Engine for MoGoTiTan (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare cases)
pasky [1d\]: got bored
]
;B[nn]BL[894.305]C[Pizat19 [6k\]: booo mogo timed out lol
]
;W[fq]WL[865.223]C[bigfatcat [2d?\]: just 150 clicks
ShihChing [6k\]: yow...
Warfreak2 [3d\]: nice
]
;B[fo]BL[889.764]C[graemy [10k\]: mogo, the best escaper?
]
;W[cn]WL[861.756]C[NicoRobin [4d\]: O6 so arrogant
Groudon [20k\]: hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
]
;B[dn]BL[885.017]
;W[dm]WL[859.463]C[GuuChan [1k\]: Pizat : be kind, MoGo CAN segfault :)
dare [4k\]: arg yes!
]
;B[co]BL[879.86]C[Warfreak2 [3d\]: all mogo's moves are arrogant
dare [4k\]: yes!!!!
lemuria [2d\]: lol Nico
]
;W[en]WL[857.476]C[Ubougin [?\]: 7 handi this time huh
dare [4k\]: mogo ftw!
bigfatcat [2d?\]: o6 "flexible"
]
;B[do]BL[874.779]
;W[gm]WL[855.021]
;B[cm]BL[869.344]C[Batavia [6k\]: rematch?
]
;W[cl]WL[851.648]C[dare [4k\]: who said there is no 1d robot at 19x19
graemy [10k\]: go myung!!
dare [4k\]: go mogo!
]
;B[bn]BL[863.49]
;W[bm]WL[850.062]
;B[em]BL[857.802]C[Ubougin [?\]: mogo is far from 1d
]
;W[dl]WL[847.943]C[GlebD [3d\]: myung said mogo is about 2-3 d
]
;B[fm]BL[851.317]C[tsiki [1d\]: there isn't, or at the very least in depends on the time settings and processing power
]
;W[fl]WL[844.633]C[GoyoMoma: hey
pasky [1d\]: there's no 1d robot at 19x19 you could play regularly
ichigo677: hi
]
;B[el]BL[845.467]C[peterchris [3k\]: b7? wjats up with that? 
]
;W[ek]WL[843.013]C[Batavia [6k\]: w behind
pasky [1d\]: (== with reasonable cpu requirements)
GoyoMoma: hey pavel
]
;B[fn]BL[838.91]
;W[dk]WL[841.618]C[Warfreak2 [3d\]: b7 very standard...
ichigo677: hi john
jeffywhite [6k\]: no duh
]
;B[fk]BL[832.106]C[og [9k\]: b+174 ish, right?
ZenChocobo [-\]: are they paying myung to play?
jeffywhite [6k\]: 6 handi
]
;W[ej]WL[833.974]C[cugel23k [5d\]: f6 took much time for a cimputer
NicoRobin [4d\]: seems mogo started well
dare [4k\]: pwn mogo! pwn!
]
;B[gl]BL[825.114]
;W[iq]WL[831.422]C[GoyoMoma: who is the person whose the best pavel?
]
;B[bl]BL[817.997]C[Americano: anyone who says W behind should go and read the rules again
EasyLife: 7 hd
bigfatcat [2d?\]: looks good for white !?
ichigo677: idk
]
;W[cn]WL[826.755]C[cugel23k [5d\]: computer
GoyoMoma: oh
donte5 [4k\]: yes!!
]
;B[am]BL[810.66]
;W[cm]WL[823.18]C[ichigo677: i wna myung to win
ichigo677: *want
]
;B[ei]BL[802.907]C[Warfreak2 [3d\]: lol
]
;W[fj]WL[819.277]C[og [9k\]: white has some awesome shape here
]
;B[gj]BL[795.382]C[ichigo677: people must reign supreme over comps
]
;W[fi]WL[817.93]C[pasky [1d\]: ichigo677: stop that, you're idstracting b
Pizat19 [6k\]: i just started playing kerwin 1p at 7 stones for some lessons :D fun fun
Daan [6k\]: wow "The French program MoGo on the Dutch SuperComputer Huygens, using 25 nodes of 32 cores of 4.7 Ghz, i.e., 800 cores, or 15 Teraflops. "
]
;B[fh]BL[786.713]C[BigPhenix [3d\]: will it run the ladder ?
]
;W[gi]WL[815.96]C[BigPhenix [3d\]: omg
Graouleu [5k\]: blind dragon shape
daladim [-\]: what s that ?!
Kumoriha [-\]: Go all the way
]
;B[hi]BL[778.699]C[og [9k\]: this ladder works, right? ;)
graemy [10k\]: deepblue = 11 gigaflops
NicoRobin [4d\]: haha
]
;W[gh]WL[812.75]C[GoyoMoma: pasky screw u
Elandal [3k\]: This ladder looks way too beginnerish..
FlameBlade [3d\]: haha
pasky [1d\]: hahaha
Oroth [7k\]: lol, mogo thinks he has a ladder
lemuria [2d\]: heh...
Demi [1k\]: oh dear.
gobrobo [13k\]: :>
GoteGoat [-\]: loose ladder
ichigo677: myung is dead!
maulakai [2k\]: pc is stupid
GoyoMoma: pasky suks
Elementar [2d\]: haha
]
;B[gg]BL[770.504]
;W[hh]WL[810.049]C[daladim [-\]: xD
GoteGoat [-\]: emulating 9p style!
NicoRobin [4d\]: awesome
bigfatcat [2d?\]: argh
GlebD [3d\]: looooooooool
Warfreak2 [3d\]: mogo doesn't know what a ladder is, it just beats up 7 kyus
Harleqin [3d\]: this is an interesting mistake
ichigo677: no
peterchris [3k\]: wow
pasky [1d\]: thank you for your appreciation, goyomoma
MooMonster [2k\]: doh :(
]
;B[ih]BL[761.688]C[dare [4k\]: wth
]
;W[hg]WL[807.252]C[Rude [1d\]: =)
ichigo677: he isnt
Koons [2k\]: quick game i guess
FlameBlade [3d\]: I wonder how long this will go?
Elandal [3k\]: This is perfectly 25k ladder :/
miao [5d\]: XDDDDDDDDDDDD
GuuChan [1k\]: so many flops for losing at 7 stones
jeffywhite [6k\]: wow
daladim [-\]: loooooool
dare [4k\]: this game was going to be awesome
reprisal [3d\]: /fascinating/
flippant [5k\]: dang
BigPhenix [3d\]: incredible
flappy [13k\]: lol!!!!!!!!!
gobrobo [13k\]: maybe it will stop eventually
]
;B[hf]BL[752.989]C[ichigo677: he could get out of this i think
]
;W[ig]WL[805.236]C[GuuChan [1k\]: what an electric waste :D
GoyoMoma: its almost over
cugel23k [5d\]: ha it is easy to dupe computer
NicoRobin [4d\]: bots are win
maulakai [2k\]: if i know pcs it will go to the other side of teh board
Tayfax [7k\]: hmmm
daladim [-\]: xDDDDDDDDDDDDD
flappy [13k\]: hahahahaha
Kumoriha [-\]: Comments are coming very quickly
GoteGoat [-\]: no
]
;B[jg]BL[743.289]C[dare [4k\]: LOL
]
;W[if]WL[803.817]C[pasky [1d\]: this is gonna be like the lee sedol game
bigfatcat [2d?\]: shape addict ahhahahaha
GlebD [3d\]: j11 
Jishin [14k\]: Don't see the ladder played very often...
GoteGoat [-\]: its going to use the wall
shika12 [-\]: actually this sort of ladder was used in a professional game
dare [4k\]: LOL PASKY
GlebD [3d\]: now than ok
Pizat19 [6k\]: this is just a timetsuji lol
ichigo677: its only over if Myung messes up
arapbaci [2k\]: that is a bug lol
]
;B[ie]BL[733.828]
;W[jf]WL[802.172]C[GoyoMoma: hi every body
Kumoriha [-\]: Epic game?
bigfatcat [2d?\]: use it for free....
kukulis4 [2d\]: there is a bug in the mogo program
Koons [2k\]: b will be smoked in this game
Warfreak2 [3d\]: no bug
Bikersmoke [14k\]:  v
Tsedaka [2d\]: lol
]
;B[kf]BL[724.221]C[ichigo677: ITS REALLY DELICATE
kukulis4 [2d\]: we see the bug
GuuChan [1k\]: does MoGo overlook C9 liberty ?
shika12 [-\]: did anyone hear me?
]
;W[je]WL[797.483]C[jeffywhite [6k\]: yeah
ichigo677: I IS GONNA WRITE IN CAPS FROM NOW ON
bigfatcat [2d?\]: this makes me stay up late
]
;B[jd]BL[714.277]C[suzuchan [1d\]: dam freeware
graemy [10k\]: no need to see c9
]
;W[ke]WL[795.733]C[flappy [13k\]: why doesnt she just do something
flippant [5k\]: monte carlo doesn't handle ladders well, apparently
vavoysh [6k\]: wat is mogo doing?
GoyoMoma: COOL
gobrobo [13k\]: why does it even try this :(
ketchup [6k\]: lol bigfatcat
graemy [10k\]: c9 is for wusses
]
;B[le]BL[704.114]C[daladim [-\]: just xD
Bikersmoke [14k\]: whats going on?
]
;W[kd]WL[792.234]C[dare [4k\]: mogo is failing
Ukasuhs [2k\]: this must be embarassing for mogos programmer
graemy [10k\]: mogo is lossing
ShihChing [6k\]: Good thing Mogo has supercomputers backing it up.
]
;B[kc]BL[693.772]C[Javaness [-\]: hilarious
Kumoriha [-\]: Can't you tell? Black is building influence. XP
Warfreak2 [3d\]: monte carlo doesn't have a clue what a ladder or a liberty is, afaik, mogo doesn't think about go in the same way that a human does
GoyoMoma: YO MAMA
]
;W[ld]WL[786.75]C[graemy [10k\]: wonder what myung is thinking
Koons [2k\]: coder will learn from this
Oroth [7k\]: maybe a failed ladder is actually a great tactic, and it took a computer to realise it ^^
Bikersmoke [14k\]: oh i see its a bot
ichigo677: MYUNG IS WAITING TO PLAY OVER ONE OF MOGO'S BLACK STONES UP TOP
Vistani [2k\]: what the hell, i look away for a minute and the game has gone to pieces..
]
;B[md]BL[682.665]C[FlameBlade [3d\]: I want Myung's comment on this.
bigfatcat [2d?\]: have they not shape-tuned it ?
]
;W[lc]WL[783.153]C[NicoRobin [4d\]: myung is thinking 7pts 7pts 7pts 7pts
EasyLife: lol
GuuChan [1k\]: now white will face a terrible dilemna : WHERE TO CUT ?
shodansoon [5d?\]: would be funny if W misclicks and loses it all 
musimujo [3k\]: done..
bigfatcat [2d?\]: evaluation function failure?
pasky [1d\]: warfreak: you pretty much do have to have a clue about liberties ;)
GoteGoat [-\]: hey myung might be slightly concerned with what B can do with this
]
;B[lb]BL[671.749]C[jigglypuff [-\]: "And here, MoGo misread the ladder"
]
;W[mc]WL[781.013]C[GoyoMoma: EVERY BODY IS TALKING SO FAST
dare [4k\]: this game will end like lee sedol
tsiki [1d\]: i think this is a fault in mogo's ladder algorithm (i mean the one its monte carlo method uses to simulate)
ichigo677: CUZ MOGO ALSO NEEDS AN EXTRA MOVE TO GET THE WHOLE LADDER
Toge [4k\]: Well... looks like it will take some time until computers beat rational sense of human beings...
jeffywhite [6k\]: I KNOW
]
;B[nc]BL[660.389]
;W[mb]WL[779.301]C[Warfreak2 [3d\]: no, pasky, you only need a flood-fill algorithm to compute if stones are captured
Walkoinen [1k\]: Score Est knows...
pinkrules [18k\]: 1 stone
spiriteyes [5k\]: javaness, boot these people
maulakai [2k\]: O or N ?
graemy [10k\]: mogo is confused
]
;B[nb]BL[649.003]C[arapbaci [2k\]: my ears..
dib [1k\]: 8p against 50k
Dan0 [4k\]: stupid bot
flappy [13k\]: this is hilarious!
NicoRobin [4d\]: hmm which cut
dare [4k\]: this is lol
Koons [2k\]: just a few cutting points left behind
pasky [1d\]: warfreak, i dont understand
ichigo677: I IS BACK
Javaness [-\]: Don't shout in capslock or you will be banned
]
;W[me]WL[770.791]C[spiriteyes [5k\]: good
vavoysh [6k\]: and here we go
jeffywhite [6k\]: why
ichigo677: sry
graemy [10k\]: mogo comits suicide
GlebD [3d\]: poor mogo
]
;B[ma]BL[637.263]C[bigfatcat [2d?\]: lets count ko-threats
Iceborg [5k\]: this is lol
GuuChan [1k\]: AFAIK only acronyms should be allowed
]
;W[nd]WL[764.027]C[GuuChan [1k\]: in caps
GuuChan [1k\]: :p
musimujo [3k\]: what the hell
GoyoMoma: HI
musimujo [3k\]: XD
gobrobo [13k\]: i'm sure black has an elaborate plan
daladim [-\]: xDDD
GoyoMoma: HI
jeffywhite [6k\]: haha
]
;B[jc]BL[625.698]C[Graouleu [5k\]: gg mogo
elohimmeth [1k\]: fatal error
bigfatcat [2d?\]: c9 !
graemy [10k\]: elaborate plan of fail
Pizat19 [6k\]: LOL
]
;W[he]WL[760.839]C[Pizat19 [6k\]: hahahaha
GoyoMoma: whooooooo
Kumoriha [-\]: I'm definitely saving this game...
Pempu [3d\]: Lee sedol would turn in his grave if he would be dead
cugel23k [5d\]: ha feasting time
jeffywhite [6k\]: how
Pizat19 [6k\]: block k17! SAVE IT!
Americano:  --- computers dont have plans
graemy [10k\]: mogo = fail
Batavia [6k\]: w heavy
]
;B[hc]BL[613.545]C[bigfatcat [2d?\]: all-time-something
Rocker [4d\]: hmmm
]
;W[kb]WL[757.945]C[GlebD [3d\]: if b will win it would be realy funny
alpena [1d\]: tell the computer to not play go if it can't read a laddetr
PogoGo [5k\]: oh my.
GuuChan [1k\]: MoGo dumbest terafloppy go move generator
vavoysh [6k\]: i hope there will be a rematch ...
Iceborg [5k\]: when you will have real bad time, just look at it 
]
;B[la]BL[601.961]
;W[oc]WL[756.593]C[Koons [2k\]: heavy, hehe
GlebD [3d\]: it will have some rematches i think 
]
;B[jb]BL[590.131]
;W[ob]WL[755.192]C[GlebD [3d\]: like last time
GoyoMoma: pavel
Kumoriha [-\]: W+Time on this one...
Rocker [4d\]: why play this silly game! i can be the bot better than 8p!
kolmogorov [13k\]: this isnt the main game, right?
]
;B[na]BL[578.293]C[Rocker [4d\]: beat
]
;W[od]WL[753.045]C[GuuChan [1k\]: now 2-3 handi stones remaining at most :)
]
;B[kq]BL[566.087]C[kolmogorov [13k\]: there's another one with longer time
colababe: resign
pasky [1d\]: i don't understand why do they play these preliminary blitzes too
colababe: what a stupid bot
pasky [1d\]: it's clear mogo won't do well at all there
Warfreak2 [3d\]: top left will be big seki, just like lee sedol game
GlebD [3d\]: they played last time main game with 30 minutes?
Dan0 [4k\]: this game is ridiculous
GlebD [3d\]: or how much?
Pempu [3d\]: warfreak haha =)
]
;W[qg]WL[731.196]C[scum [2d\]: Woah
GuuChan [1k\]: pasky : the cluster needs to heat a bit before running full power :)
GoyoMoma: who is black stones?
]
;B[jq]BL[553.741]
;W[ip]WL[727.214]C[GoteGoat [-\]: reading comprehension
ice9407 [5k\]: what is this?
cugel23k [5d\]: mogo will lose by tiem
Beginner82 [3k\]: this is the perfect game for both size... go is finally solved!!
cugel23k [5d\]: time
gobrobo [13k\]: GuuChan, do you know what system this runs on?
]
;B[ir]BL[541.683]C[colababe: this game is worse than ridiculous, i mean the bot is dumb
]
;W[hr]WL[725.617]C[GuuChan [1k\]: nop
suzuchan [1d\]: is mogo open source ?
GlebD [3d\]: they played last time the main game with 60 minutes each so i think this is not the main ^^
]
;B[jo]BL[530.06]C[Demi [1k\]: suzuchan, no
BrainDmg [?\]: so who's betting on b? '_'
scum [2d\]: this is the most embarassing game for mogo creators
pasky [1d\]: gobrobo: 800x4.7ghz through infiniband or someting
Rocker [4d\]: DOES THE 8P Get PAID by playing  A BOT??
Americano: --- this proves teraflops can never equate Imagination - human kind created machines not the oterh way around 
]
;W[qq]WL[717.352]C[eternalkyu [2k\]: hahaha this game looks funny
graemy [10k\]: b gonna win
Ukasuhs [2k\]: i think 7 handi is like 20 too few
kolmogorov [13k\]: isn't main game 90 min this time?
ice9407 [5k\]: is b a computer?
]
;B[pq]BL[518.693]C[KintaroOe [4k\]: yeh
]
;W[qp]WL[715.447]C[Aek87 [11k?\]: y
colababe: even a 5k doesnt play like this bot
colababe: so weak
Eris [1k\]: this the same computer that wn on 9h at some other point?
]
;B[qo]BL[506.389]C[cugel23k [5d\]: bad programing
jeffywhite [6k\]: hey
ice9407 [5k\]: how a computer can do wrong a ladder?
GuuChan [1k\]: Americano : this proves NOTHING but that MoGo's algorithms are a failure :)
Warfreak2 [3d\]: even a 5k doesn't play like this pro
mandelbrot [2k\]: 5k plays much worse
jeffywhite [6k\]: i take offense to that problem
]
;W[pr]WL[704.303]C[Iceborg [5k\]: hey man 5k is way stronger
Ukasuhs [2k\]: yes eris
bigfatcat [2d?\]: come on what ladder ?
Rocker [4d\]: I wanna get paid by beating a bot!!!
colababe: 5k play better than this bot
]
;B[or]BL[494.654]C[Warfreak2 [3d\]: ultimately you can't criticise mogo's moves because it's still winning
]
;W[qr]WL[699.934]C[Karcusrd [7k\]: time or resign this game ruined
Americano: --  I want my money back !
ddoshay [7k?\]: he is not getting paid
SaiKosan [7k\]: mogo is bot?
GoyoMoma: which guy is the bot?
NicoRobin [4d\]: i think you get paid whatever the result rocker :-)
]
;B[oq]BL[482.637]C[GlebD [3d\]: mogo is playing weard but not bad 
scum [2d\]: but warfreak, mogo wont win after this ;p
Iceborg [5k\]: mogo is bot
GlebD [3d\]: at all
cugel23k [5d\]: b winning?
eternalkyu [2k\]: hahaha funny "which guy is bot"
Aek87 [11k?\]: B is bot
MooMonster [2k\]: good to see that kibbitz nonsense extends to the field of computer science also
colababe: mogo lost, cant you see that
GuuChan [1k\]: M. is winning, so far
]
;W[ro]WL[681.215]C[GuuChan [1k\]: but maybe M. will lose
kago [1d\]: dont see how mogo could win
daladim [-\]: bah, the best bot in the world just rapyuta that s all
bigfatcat [2d?\]: game not over  yyet...................
]
;B[rn]BL[471.328]C[colababe: even a 5k can win with white from now on
Americano: b winning the Biggest Embarrasment of the century award 
]
;W[qn]WL[677.339]C[Ukasuhs [2k\]: i dont think M is descriptive enought... both start with M
mstarsup5 [-\]: M. = MogGo, or Myung Wan?
arapbaci [2k\]: r6 instead of s5?
Pizat19 [6k\]: lol
arapbaci [2k\]: nevermind
Karcusrd [7k\]: its resign or time game should be more time for these 2
]
;B[po]BL[459.178]
;W[rm]WL[675.185]C[Dan0 [4k\]: another missread?
GuuChan [1k\]: mstarsup5 : any, or both
GuuChan [1k\]: :p
]
;B[pn]BL[447.269]
;W[qm]WL[673.735]C[cugel23k [5d\]: k2
eternalkyu [2k\]: that's basic joseki....
Pempu [3d\]: mogo needs more time to play better
]
;B[dg]BL[436.079]
;W[cc]WL[667.694]C[Iceborg [5k\]: sure Dan0 this bit thingy plays like 30k 
colababe: d13 god
colababe: not even a 5k play d13
]
;B[cd]BL[425.35]
;W[dc]WL[666.167]C[Americano: mogo needs more PlayGo.to tutorial
GlebD [3d\]: i think mogo will win with 9 stones and 60 mins time again
suzuchan [1d\]: guess some programer will have to find new job
]
;B[ec]BL[414.783]
;W[eb]WL[664.726]C[bigfatcat [2d?\]: no
flippant [5k\]: its written by grad students
eternalkyu [2k\]: hehe
]
;B[bb]BL[404.43]C[flippant [5k\]: so they dont have a job to lose ;-)
SaiKosan [7k\]: alguien aqui se habla espanol?
Batavia [6k\]: Myung will  be demoted if he loses again
colababe: haha
]
;W[bc]WL[661.099]C[NicoRobin [4d\]: wow
scum [2d\]: TESuJI
tsiki [1d\]: i thought it was 90minutes for both this time?
colababe: killin suji
scum [2d\]: bwahaha
Khansensei [11k\]: at this time always can do this, but it s another difficult to find this 'bug'
BlackStar0 [5k\]: Si
]
;B[fb]BL[394.392]C[GuuChan [1k\]: suzuchan : IA is a full-time research job, and for a very long time to come :)
Warfreak2 [3d\]: beautiful
]
;W[bd]WL[650.666]C[kolmogorov [13k\]: followup game is 90min
GuuChan [1k\]: AI*
GoteGoat [-\]: well played
GlebD [3d\]: ok 
]
;B[db]BL[384.6]
;W[ed]WL[647.855]C[eternalkyu [2k\]: if it was 90 min then maybe the bot wouldn't make these mistakes
]
;B[ea]BL[375.328]C[GlebD [3d\]: how much stones?
arapbaci [2k\]: guys i wonder how many of you joking about progremmer can write a 15 k bot
GuuChan [1k\]: 7
jeffywhite [6k\]: 7
GlebD [3d\]: ok
arapbaci [2k\]: or20
Khansensei [11k\]: good reflection for b
]
;W[fc]WL[633.871]C[idazuwaika [5d\]: hmm
TDK [9k\]: 15k is hard
idazuwaika [5d\]: black too weak
]
;B[ee]BL[365.912]C[NicoRobin [4d\]: b going for the kill on this group :p
]
;W[eb]WL[629.462]
;B[fe]BL[356.603]C[GoteGoat [-\]: d9!
idazuwaika [5d\]: is this really our future?
GuuChan [1k\]: which one ? his group ?
]
;W[ec]WL[625.782]C[Koons [2k\]: i think this bot is pretty strong
scum [2d\]: Good Threat.
reprisal [3d\]: watch it an weep, idaz
colababe: we dont need to know how to program to critcize the programmer
]
;B[gb]BL[347.544]C[ketchup [6k\]: white will kill
suzuchan [1d\]: some 20k have hacked the engine
]
;W[cf]WL[623.518]C[Demi [1k\]: mogo doesn't seem to understand ko threats
ketchup [6k\]: instead
tonynogo [9k\]: Maybe is not a error of the bot black again in the game
]
;B[be]BL[338.631]C[GuuChan [1k\]: this white looks really hungry
scum [2d\]: haha, Go is flawed
StephenSun [2d\]: lol
]
;W[de]WL[617.138]C[GlebD [3d\]: O.o
wuwei [4k\]: loool
Aek87 [11k?\]: suzuchan never underestimate 20k powah!
Ribbon [7k\]: does Mogo use a deterministic algorithm?
]
;B[ce]BL[329.668]C[pasky [1d\]: no
]
;W[df]WL[613.47]C[jnr [-\]: no
]
;B[bf]BL[321.529]
;W[cg]WL[611.513]C[Iceborg [5k\]: lol every other move it seems
pasky [1d\]: montecarlo with a *lot* of bells and whistles
]
;B[bg]BL[312.998]C[kolmogorov [13k\]: that's why it's weaker at fast games
]
;W[ch]WL[608.892]C[Rude [1d\]: lol
]
;B[ci]BL[305.313]C[eternalkyu [2k\]: it should use the I'm playing a 8p, so I'm careful-tesuji
]
;W[bh]WL[602.642]
;B[bi]BL[297.289]C[colababe: even the guests that rapyuta plays are stronger
arapbaci [2k\]: u can critisize the the program not the programmer colababe
TDK [9k\]: although i think for this game they did srand(0) to see what happens :)
GuuChan [1k\]: montecarlo is a good heuristic for kyu-level :(
horos22 [4k\]: this is painful
Batavia [6k\]: of course itt uses a deterministic algorithm, just a mather of having the right input
]
;W[dh]WL[584.838]C[eternalkyu [2k\]: hahaha
colababe: yes, i mean that arapbaci
]
;B[ah]BL[289.367]C[idazuwaika [5d\]: monte carlo is heuristic?
horos22 [4k\]: i think that myungwan sees bot weaknesses now
NicoRobin [4d\]: pro wants it all!
]
;W[di]WL[576.724]C[idazuwaika [5d\]: i thought just random simulation
flippant [5k\]: random play is much, much worse
]
;B[cj]BL[282.412]C[SaiKosan [7k\]: esa es destruido! 
Pempu [3d\]: easy kill 
Americano: F12
colababe: b9 
ketchup [6k\]: b9
Iceborg [5k\]: a13 
pasky [1d\]: idazuwaika: with modern programs, it is *randomized*, but not random at all
colababe: kill all
]
;W[bk]WL[557.607]C[ketchup [6k\]: b9 is best
bigfatcat [2d?\]: not sure, they might use an evaluation function as well, no?
Eris [1k\]: mogo examines random play and uses an algorithm that maximises chance of winning
GuuChan [1k\]: idazuwaika : it cuts through the tree of game variations, so it's an heuristic
ketchup [6k\]: dont need anything else
]
;B[cb]BL[275.349]
;W[ag]WL[552.015]C[pasky [1d\]: idazuwaika: there's a lot of heuristics and enhancing the playouts is one of the main fields of improvement actually
GuuChan [1k\]: "this move may be good, I'll play it"
]
;B[eh]BL[268.218]C[Eris [1k\]: that doesn't mean it plays randomly, but not deterministically either
]
;W[eg]WL[548.202]C[ketchup [6k\]: silly bot
Americano: please stop defending the computer, its a lost case
]
;B[dr]BL[260.929]
;W[jr]WL[543.39]C[NicoRobin [4d\]: res soon
colababe: gosh d2
]
;B[kr]BL[254.61]
;W[is]WL[541.617]C[colababe: k2 was obvious
Eris [1k\]: well, I'm not saying it's playing well right now :)
eternalkyu [2k\]: this game makes me happy to be honest
jeffywhite [6k\]: now i know how to beat bots
]
;B[gp]BL[248.577]C[colababe: how come he plays d2
eternalkyu [2k\]: I don't want to get beaten by computers
ketchup [6k\]: more points colababe
]
;W[gq]WL[529.152]C[GuuChan [1k\]: jeffywhite : by playing ladders ?
jeffywhite [6k\]: find loose lader
GuuChan [1k\]: :))
flippant [5k\]: this game makes me think, i bet i could write a better bot
ketchup [6k\]: he goes after points only
]
;B[hp]BL[241.72]
;W[er]WL[526.292]C[szaloony [4k\]: beat him 9x9
kyu30dummy: eventually the computer wins ?????
idazuwaika [5d\]: look at the center "moyo"
]
;B[hq]BL[235.796]C[bigfatcat [2d?\]: this game i s rock soli
Toge [4k\]: Pro moves look so common sense.
Eris [1k\]: flippant: please do
Rocker [4d\]: this bot is not too bad , maybe he can beat kgs 5k!
pasky [1d\]: eternalkyu, try playing leelabot or Rullo in "Computer Go Room", both are 1k :P
Harleqin [3d\]: G3 mistake?
eternalkyu [2k\]: I couldn't even make a bot that will put out stones at random
]
;W[gs]WL[512.096]C[colababe: he cant beat a kgs 5k
]
;B[es]BL[230.045]C[colababe: it
bigfatcat [2d?\]: careful!
suzuchan [1d\]: the mogo code was at the bottom of a cornflakes box
flippant [5k\]: i made a bot that put out stones at random
dare [4k\]: se = b + 68... are all go algorithms so bad?
]
;W[fs]WL[502.68]
;B[pg]BL[224.372]C[eternalkyu [2k\]: hahaha
]
;W[pf]WL[497.398]C[colababe: i bet flippants can beat mogowan
arapbaci [2k\]: lol
ketchup [6k\]: the time is really impacting mogo
vavoysh [6k\]: mogo did beat a 9p with 9 handi
]
;B[qh]BL[218.22]C[Aek87 [11k?\]: se cheering for B
Iceborg [5k\]: colababe you must be 6k with some complex?
]
;W[qf]WL[494.953]C[Aek87 [11k?\]: :P
GuuChan [1k\]: dare : no, most algorithms are worse
flippant [5k\]: then i made a bot that played randomly but preferred the "even" spots, and it beat the random one
idazuwaika [5d\]: SE is probably part of mogo internal
eternalkyu [2k\]: they use the same thinking :)
Americano:  -- I am glad this proves how weak is the machine compared to human mind
]
;B[mg]BL[212.686]C[mandelbrot [2k\]: mogo can beat 1k on a PC
GuuChan [1k\]: MoGo is currently the best move generator :)
Ribbon [7k\]: its worse than what SE says
pasky [1d\]: i hope b has enough time to figure out when to resign
]
;W[og]WL[486.082]C[lemuria [2d\]: wow... this little baby uses 800 cpus
Ribbon [7k\]: coz left group is dead
Jubilex [3k\]: colab: look at the normal mogo (which is weaker than this one) here, it's been beating kgs 5k and 4k forq uite a loooong time
idazuwaika [5d\]: where is htis game played?
]
;B[ck]BL[207.068]C[jigglypuff [-\]: online
Demi [1k\]: here?
pasky [1d\]: on kgs
NicoRobin [4d\]: atari
Harleqin [3d\]: heh, atari
]
;W[al]WL[475.139]C[idazuwaika [5d\]: is mogo playing on real power hardware?
Rocker [4d\]: he has some good logic in his moves!
]
;B[rp]BL[202.014]C[eternalkyu [2k\]: really? that's cool, maybe because it didn't play the 1-1 then :)
]
;W[sn]WL[472.984]C[NicoRobin [4d\]: phew
vavoysh [6k\]: On August 7th, 2008, MoGo won a 19x19 game vs. Kim MyungWan 8p with MoGo receiving a 9 stone handicap. MoGo won by 1.5 points. 
ketchup [6k\]: resign now
]
;B[ph]BL[196.923]C[colababe: this game is live
horos22 [4k\]: nice try..
vavoysh [6k\]: oh
Ribbon [7k\]: i am sure MyungWan is having fun right now
vavoysh [6k\]: its this guy
horos22 [4k\]: c9
]
;W[nh]WL[465.07]C[pasky [1d\]: idazuwaika: in theory, it should be playing on 800x4.7ghz
vavoysh [6k\]: its a rematch with less handi
idazuwaika [5d\]: what hardware mogo on?
]
;B[ng]BL[192.162]C[idazuwaika [5d\]: oh oko
idazuwaika [5d\]: thanks
]
;W[oh]WL[462.778]C[hohoho [12k\]: myung strong?
flippant [5k\]: its because random moves will often fill in your own eyes
]
;B[rq]BL[186.969]
;W[rr]WL[460.352]C[MooMonster [2k\]: mogo is in swindle mode now
colababe: s3 killer
bigfatcat [2d?\]: mogo panic
]
;B[mi]BL[182.506]C[flippant [5k\]: preferring even spots makes eye shape, albeit slowly ;-)
colababe: so strong
]
;W[oj]WL[456.357]C[eternalkyu [2k\]: hm right
vavoysh [6k\]: i assume that they've rewritten some code since that match
Eris [1k\]: mogo about to resign
NicoRobin [4d\]: the fact its playing ko threats means it must be close to res rgiht?
]
;B[oi]BL[178.045]C[gobrobo [13k\]: vavoysh, thanks
]
;W[ni]WL[454.514]C[vavoysh [6k\]: but it looks like it was for the worst
youth [5k\]: I just got here. how could mogo fail to read that ladder?
]
;B[nj]BL[173.758]C[jeffywhite [6k\]: if a billion computers put stones down at random they would eventually find the divine move
]
;W[ok]WL[449.26]C[Gregory [5k?\]: i'd assume so Nico
og [9k\]: mogo doesn't know what a ladder is
LapinBlanc [2d?\]: Mogo did read the ladder
]
;B[of]BL[168.917]C[NicoRobin [4d\]: it doesnt read
]
;W[pi]WL[446.45]C[arapbaci [2k\]: when it will realize that it cannot win, skynet gonna hack the all kgs and may be the interner, so 8p better dont win
]
;B[qi]BL[164.944]C[lemuria [2d\]: ladders are whole board long sequences
]
;W[oi]WL[443.428]C[LapinBlanc [2d?\]: but thought it was building some good influance
CrazyIsumi [4d\]: Maybe Mogo thought he was Lee sedol and would be fine ;)
idazuwaika [5d\]: no need pro to play this mogo
]
;B[rg]BL[160.133]C[Ribbon [7k\]: what is the "divine move"?
]
;W[rf]WL[441.464]C[horos22 [4k\]: screwed..
lemuria [2d\]: its really hard to force bots read such
]
;B[nk]BL[155.718]C[flippant [5k\]: mogo probably had a horizon that was less than the 40 or so moves it took to play the ladder out
fiirefox [?\]: lol...
LapinBlanc [2d?\]: with h7, it makes sence
]
;W[ol]WL[437.049]C[Demi [1k\]: or sense
pasky [1d\]: mogo does know ladders, i think, but this wasn't really a ladder since there were two liberties
]
;B[nl]BL[151.992]C[hohoho [12k\]: is myungwan a person
]
;W[io]WL[432.592]C[flippant [5k\]: the monte carlo heuristic won't be a good measure of ladders
]
;B[pl]BL[148.425]C[jeffywhite [6k\]: yes
CardCaptor [1d\]: probably
smelly [6k\]: actually this mogo plays similar to me :(
Mef [-\]: I would imagine to a monte carlo system a loose ladder and a real ladder appear awfully similar
]
;W[pk]WL[425.649]C[LapinBlanc [2d?\]: Mogo thought it could kill white in the upper left
Eris [1k\]: flippant: mogo doesn't use "horizons", it reads games out till the end
]
;B[pe]BL[144.46]C[teytaud [-\]: mogo will probably resign soon (his score estimate is low).
Americano: no, Myung Wang is a Pro
]
;W[oe]WL[420.606]C[daladim [-\]: myungwan 8p hohoho
SaiKosan [7k\]: mogo no puede ganar este partido
flippant [5k\]: well mogo uses UCT though
]
;B[nf]BL[140.658]C[flippant [5k\]: and the UCT has a horizon
bigfatcat [2d?\]: the evaluation function could force readingladders out...
CardCaptor [1d\]: sorry i was wrong, pros are not real people
hohoho [12k\]: comp sux?
gobrobo [13k\]: no u
]
;W[mh]WL[406.505]
;B[lh]BL[137.144]C[TDK [9k\]: hehe
ketchup [6k\]: so bad..
ketchup [6k\]: weird reading..
]
;W[li]WL[394.003]C[eternalkyu [2k\]: I think they make a special read for ladders or something? they should anyway
daladim [-\]: b so weak ...
]
;B[qk]BL[133.226]C[CardCaptor [1d\]: ur not allowed to say a comp sux till u can beat it consistently
inte [?\]: still mogo is prone to assume blunders in its assesment - like w tenukiing once in the ladder sequence.
gobrobo [13k\]: anyone would look bad playing an 8p
eternalkyu [2k\]: a special little script for ladders
maxpower66 [13k\]: igowin is better :-)
]
;W[mj]WL[388.38]C[Otacon [8k\]: this bot SUCKS!
]
;B[re]BL[129.827]
;W[rh]WL[385.53]
;B[ri]BL[126.797]
;W[sg]WL[383.601]C[Ribbon [7k\]: LOL
Americano: finally
gobrobo [13k\]: oh hey it can resign
NicoRobin [4d\]: yay
flippant [5k\]: very interesting game
SaiKosan [7k\]: este bot es horrible!
horos22 [4k\]: god
bigfatcat [2d?\]: oho!
idazuwaika [5d\]: human triumph !!
pasky [1d\]: :))
Nyanjilla [-\]: that was.... educational
elohimmeth [1k\]: thx
BrainDmg [?\]: gg
colababe: interesting? haha
Americano: si horrible
NicoRobin [4d\]: foolish bots
Cybernandi [18k?\]: que juegan con un spectrum?
Jishin [14k\]: Interesting...
GuuChan [1k\]: is there gonna be a reasonably long game ?
NeoZai [11k\]: humans for life !!
horos22 [4k\]: more time..
Koons [2k\]: try again at 9 stones :-)
kolmogorov [13k\]: now the real game begins?
Mef [-\]: strictly speaking that situation wasn't a ladder though, white had 2 libs....do you have to have a second script for identifying near ladder situations?
Ribbon [7k\]: in what way was that educational
Cybernandi [18k?\]: vaya mierda!!!!
xio [11k\]: se b+37,5 :)
Ribbon [7k\]: it was FUN
CardCaptor [1d\]: how does a bot know when to resign
bai [1k\]: yay, for humans
maxpower66 [13k\]: con una TI994A
hipernova [18k?\]: hey... Go es la caña de complicado de tratar
pasky [1d\]: cardcaptor: win probability drops under 0.2
tsiki [1d\]: a
Nyanjilla [-\]: bots are better at counting
kyu30dummy: human always triumphs programmer are human 
CardCaptor [1d\]: oh i see
tsiki [1d\]: the same way it knows how to play
jeffywhite [6k\]: can bots learn joskei?
hipernova [18k?\]: es simplemente demasiado complicado
Crumb [6k\]: mogo looks like a idiot now
idazuwaika [5d\]: perhaps it referred to database lee sedol's nonworking ladder game
Crumb [6k\]: so much for powerful image
horos22 [4k\]: tetyaud, how does mogo handle ladders?
Ribbon [7k\]: please speak english
lemuria [2d\]: thank you MyungWan !!!
Rocker [4d\]: they should have a competition where the winner is a plyer who beats a bot by the biggest difference , maybe pro 9p wont win the competition
flippant [5k\]: rather than scripts to detect ladders, it seems you'd be better off having a set of game positions that represent these things, kind of like a regression test
colababe: bots can learn the love
Americano: humans reign on nature for a reason
Javaness [-\]: Congrats
SaiKosan [7k\]: lol este partido fue "lame-o"
Crumb [6k\]: じゃじゃじゃｗｗｗｗｗｗｗ
flippant [5k\]: and then you try to have the right sort of tree extension logic that happens to handle ladders
CardCaptor [1d\]: cus we make bots like these Americano?
KoReNJe [5d?\]: lol
eternalkyu [2k\]: that would be a nice competition, rocker! :)
arapbaci [2k\]: thanks myungwan
pasky [1d\]: so, let's go :)
CrazyIsumi [4d\]: But a bot is artificial not from nature >.> What does taht have to do with it?
pasky [1d\]: second game
kolmogorov [13k\]: When is the "real" 90 min game?
Americano: si , CardCaptor
KoReNJe [5d?\]: what's 800 cpu cores, if the bot plays a stupid ladder that doesn't work lol
pasky [1d\]: while the cluster is still hot!
fanfan [4d\]: horros22, mogo doesn't know what is a ladder
colababe: use 800 ps3 core now
pasky [1d\]: where is this perpetuating from?
pasky [1d\]: that mogo doesn't know what is a ladder?
GilbertLB [9k\]: It seems like MGT went after a group with 3 or less liberties no matter how weak MGT's position was.
eternalkyu [2k\]: niether does it know joseki, I take it?
gobrobo [13k\]: bot was just just testing Myung's style i bet
gobrobo [13k\]: next game it will dominate
pasky [1d\]: it has opening library and it has ladder reader
flippant [5k\]: mm its first move was O6 I think
Jishin [14k\]: Mogo, in this match, was completely obliterated.
eternalkyu [2k\]: they should put in like the 1000 most common josekis atleast
horos22 [4k\]: I didn't think that mogo was pure uct
flippant [5k\]: so it doesn't seem to be using joseki
peterchris [3k\]: There should be different rules for "handicap" versus computer... for instance, insted of all 9 at beginning of game, mogo should get 5 free moves to be taken at any time of mogos choice!!
maakuu [4k\]: There's a simple solution to make mogo better. Just add more cpu power. ;)
horos22 [4k\]: I thought it had subject matter knowledge wrt go
tsiki [1d\]: monte carlo bots improve disproportionally when more time is added
hipernova [18k?\]: no maakuu... more cpu power will no improve too muvch the level of the program
ShihChing [6k\]: Will the other games with Mogo be tonight?
arapbaci [2k\]: coding is the hardest part cpu power is not a matter till then
flippant [5k\]: the benefit of cpu power is steep up to a point, flattens off fast though
hipernova [18k?\]: the problem it's the astronomically number of combinations of Go
eternalkyu [2k\]: the cpu power will make it read faster, it's like adding more time, ofcourse it will improve it
inte [?\]: hipernova, do you know how mogo works?
tsiki [1d\]: yeah, that's the point
hipernova [18k?\]: no... but I'mn a programmer and a mathematician, and I know how games are programmed
Totti10 [8k\]: it makes 100,000 simulations/move i think
inte [?\]: really, the approach gets surprisingly much out out of additional processing power.
flippant [5k\]: to analyze a game tree you need a hundred or so simulations per UCT leaf
flippant [5k\]: at some point the tree can't extend much more
flippant [5k\]: before then more playouts makes it noticeably better
hipernova [18k?\]: the problem with go is that at any branch, there are too many 'good moves'
ZenChocobo [-\]: possible moves
hipernova [18k?\]: no... 'good moves'
flippant [5k\]: will there be another game?
eternalkyu [2k\]: I wonder how they think when they program
horos22 [4k\]: try playing mogobot1 a couple of times
horos22 [4k\]: hipernova..
hipernova [18k?\]: no need
horos22 [4k\]: at least 3d in 9x9
eternalkyu [2k\]: so much to upgrade, seems like it would be pretty funny
hipernova [18k?\]: I know how to program a chess engine
flippant [5k\]: mogo works different from chess
horos22 [4k\]: totally different programming
Rocker [4d\]: this game was a dissapointment , this is like a pro boxing world champ title match ending in 1st round by T.K.O 
flippant [5k\]: because there's no good way to have a good position evaluation for go
inte [?\]: (of course the bots strength on 9x9 reinforces hipernova's claim.)
hipernova [18k?\]: so I know the strenghs and the febless of comps in that kind of games
inte [?\]: there are a lot fewer moves to consider on 9x9
flippant [5k\]: in chess, the material is a pretty decent O(1) heuristic
eternalkyu [2k\]: yes, but for example it doesn't seem like they've added many josekis to this bot, with chess they add all known and many more openings
horos22 [4k\]: is there going to be another game?
Cybernandi [18k?\]: If this is the best they can do... let doing it!!! ITS RUBBISH!!!!!
Oroth [7k\]: mogo is waiting for the second game
GuuChan [1k\]: most powerful chess engines are simple brutforce on the game tree
hipernova [18k?\]: no flippant
maakuu [4k\]: can mogo beat pro players in 9x9?
mandelbrot [2k\]: so is mogo
arapbaci [2k\]: and what if opponent played out of joseki?
hipernova [18k?\]: it's only an indicator
GuuChan [1k\]: brutforcing game tree for a go game is juste unaffordable
eternalkyu [2k\]: then he has to think
arapbaci [2k\]: library is not a solution
Cybernandi [18k?\]: indicator of what? or bullshit programing?
eternalkyu [2k\]: it is too
NicoRobin [4d\]: mogo fot a new game up
hipernova [18k?\]: the good engines wins now because they can go really deep in the tree of moves
flippant [5k\]: sure, but you can make really good O(1) heuristics in chess
arapbaci [2k\]: library can be a time accelerator
flippant [5k\]: in go it's hard to even tell when the game's over
arapbaci [2k\]: but not more
eternalkyu [2k\]: many of my moves are joseki, if I didn't know the josekis I would be in big trouble directly from the start
tsiki [1d\]: the second game begun
hipernova [18k?\]: opps... thats good news
GuuChan [1k\]: eternalkyu : how do you play against someone who plays off the josekis ?
eternalkyu [2k\]: like I said, then I will have to think, but atleast I have the advantage of being in favor if I'm playing correctly
eternalkyu [2k\]: don't question the method, it's exactly what they do with chess, and I think it would work even better for go
eternalkyu [2k\]: because you can program stuff like if a stone is the then this and this and this joseki is good etc
inte [?\]: yes, patterns are a common approach in computer go
eternalkyu [2k\]: would be very wierd if it wasn't
eternalkyu [2k\]: I just think they should add some more :)
inte [?\]: and hopefully people will learn how to combine their strength with the UCT approach. It's a tricky business.
eternalkyu [2k\]: for example the simple 4-4, then low approach, then low extension
eternalkyu [2k\]: that'd require extreme power
inte [?\]: gnu go comes with a joseki database, for example
inte [?\]: but gnu go will usually lose to mogo.
eternalkyu [2k\]: inte interesting :)
inte [?\]: gnu go also uses patterns for a lot of other things
inte [?\]: eye space, reading connections, certain tesujis
inte [?\]: the mogo authors have a paper (which I can't find right now) about adding go knowledge to UCT, in particular to the UCT playouts.
inte [?\]: they've found that often adding go knowledge will make their program weaker, because while the playouts got better
inte [?\]: they'd get biased either in favour of the attacker or the defender in local fights.
inte [?\]: and it turns out that being unbiased is much more important than the quality of the individual playout.
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