(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Chinese]SZ[19]HA[7]KM[0.50]
PW[oumeien]PB[Zen19]BR[1d]DT[2009-08-10]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Zen19 [1d\]: GTP Engine for Zen19 (black): Zen version 3.6
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[dp]
;B[pd]
;B[dd]
;B[pp]
;B[jj]
;B[dj]
;B[pj]C[tenka13d [5d\]: oo
Kyuss [1k\]: oh yea
Solid30k [2k\]: waa?
maney [4k\]: はじまった
]
;W[jd]C[cdocdo [6k\]: ooooh
Solid30k [2k\]: 7 stones too much :P
]
;B[fc]C[igoskii: here it comes
]
;W[nq]
;B[qn]C[bloodysnow [5k\]: ｷﾀ━━━━（ﾟ∀ﾟ）━━━━！！！！！！
soeasy [3d\]: o.o 1d
cdocdo [6k\]: 7 handicap is too big....
soeasy [3d\]: against 9p?
rEDwARRIOR [5k\]: i beat this bot b4
cdocdo [6k\]: キタコレ
MekaLeo [-\]: its not alote
]
;W[gp]C[rEDwARRIOR [5k\]: w will easily win
SunnyD [2d\]: is O controlling the oumein account or is there a scribe
]
;B[qk]C[soeasy [3d\]: w is 9p rite?
Solid30k [2k\]: time settings?
cdocdo [6k\]: yes
Kyuss [1k\]: yes soeasy
Kyuss [1k\]: no time limit
goggle [5k\]: and ladder master
MekaLeo [-\]: there was a 8d who gave a zenbot 6 stoens and won by 30-40+
]
;W[cn]C[ClassicBoy [-\]: I waiting for a new record ...
rinset [1d\]: はじまってる～
rEDwARRIOR [5k\]: w will win no doubtr
]
;B[eo]C[Lebron [?\]: (￣∀￣)ﾉ
Solid30k [2k\]: whats r9?
SunnyD [2d\]: Zen looks great
cdocdo [6k\]: i hope so
s6k [4k\]: i want i'm Zen19 XD
burtlab: my money on white, the game from the AGC will have been closer
soeasy [3d\]: too slow for b i think
Hoof [2d\]: is this game live?
dame6togo: is zen a computer?
Mikki [2k\]: ya
cdocdo [6k\]: yeaa xD
SunnyD [2d\]: r9 powerful
Mikki [2k\]: bot
AmerBeton [8k\]: and zen9 ?
soeasy [3d\]: r10 was better i think
cloud [2d\]: how many computers is b running on
Mikki [2k\]: bot
AmerBeton [8k\]: where's the game ?
]
;W[cq]C[iggypoof [21k\]: who is oumeien?
Lebron [?\]: on the internet
rotoryu [6k\]: mac 8 core
Lebron [?\]: right now
Hoof [2d\]: b is winning already.  this is hopeless! :-)
dame6togo: is zen really strong?
Lebron [?\]: oumeien = o meien 9p
danigabi [6d\]: b already play weird things
]
;B[go]C[danigabi [6d\]: uhm..
PwndKitty [3d\]: against a 9p..
PwndKitty [3d\]: hm
soeasy [3d\]: -.-
PwndKitty [3d\]: this is proper handicap
soeasy [3d\]: i think w is boring
iggypoof [21k\]: oumeien is 9p?!
]
;W[ho]C[Lebron [?\]: bots usually get stronger in middle game
palapiku [7k?\]: why only 7 handi
PwndKitty [3d\]: LEBRON 
cdocdo [6k\]: yes
Hoof [2d\]: so Zen19 is really 1d?
seventeen [-\]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_Meien
PwndKitty [3d\]: u poser
]
;B[gn]C[hiroto5353: キラッ☆
Lebron [?\]: I'm the king kitty.
cloud [2d\]: zen used to be 2d
]
;W[fp]C[isoppu [7k\]: 王プロは、対策対局したのかな～？
PwndKitty [3d\]: poser
iggypoof [21k\]: who is poser
PwndKitty [3d\]: kobe is better
s6k [4k\]: some one can h7 S6k :">
ghbn: zen市販化おめでとう
cdocdo [6k\]: どうでしょね～
]
;B[dm]C[dame6togo: this shuld be interesting
PwndKitty [3d\]: lebron is the pose
donutt [20k\]: famazing
PwndKitty [3d\]: poser*
PwndKitty [3d\]: :0
AmerBeton [8k\]: hum
benjiboy87 [25k\]: this should be fun, never watched a pro play before
palapiku [7k?\]: man against machine! go machine!
Solid30k [2k\]: d3 gote huge?
ProGoVerb [5k\]: is black a data program?
cdocdo [6k\]: え、市販化決まったのですか？
rEDwARRIOR [5k\]: this isnt interesting white will win easily
AmerBeton [8k\]: is there a cam for the match ?
]
;W[dq]C[benjiboy87 [25k\]: yeah black is program
soeasy [3d\]: but these moves by b doesnt really make sense to me =X
tenka13d [5d\]: 確か毎日から出るんですよね
]
;B[cm]C[cdocdo [6k\]: おおお
from2ch [7k\]: 9月に発売予定とか
Solid30k [2k\]: q2?
ghbn: 天頂の囲碁という名前でマイコムから発売です
hiroto5353: 凄いですね～
cdocdo [6k\]: マジですか
cdocdo [6k\]: 買おう・・・・
soeasy [3d\]: c16 or b16
]
;W[nc]C[Estrella [5k\]: b obviously nervous to be playing such a high ranked player
peco [4k\]: zen19って何かで優勝したの？
hwitch [1k\]: zen
PwndKitty [3d\]: whites catching up fast
dimitar [1k\]: 値段は？
]
;B[pf]C[LionelLee [7k\]: lol b nervous
Hoof [2d\]: im impressed that a computer can play at 1d
jumpdragon: b16
Hoof [2d\]: I remember playing gnugo and it was laughably weak
DuskEagle [9k\]: estrella, i'm sure the computer is very nervous
AmerBeton [8k\]: ex honinbo ex oza against a machine
Bobsyth [5k\]: B is computer Estrella
soeasy [3d\]: i think next time bots will be more stronger than human
rEDwARRIOR [5k\]: zen19 isnt at 1d strength
jumpdragon: or b15
from2ch [7k\]: １３０００のところを９０００円云々
vhu [6k\]: Mogo is 2d
htfku: パソコンのスペックによって強さ変わったりしないのかな
Estrella [5k\]: Do you people have no sense of humor?
]
;W[hn]C[palapiku [7k?\]: i'm impressed that zen can be 1d with his amazing opening skills
cloud [2d\]: zen19 is strong 1d
DuskEagle [9k\]: sorry didn't sound like a joke ti me
sayoki [1k\]: 黒いプログラムは
sayoki [1k\]: ?
]
;B[gm]C[rinset [1d\]: そりゃないっしょ＞スペック
rEDwARRIOR [5k\]: zen19 is weak
cdocdo [6k\]: だいたい他のソフトと同じ値段ですね
PwndKitty [3d\]: you're weaker
Eigenspace [5k\]: does anyone know which go engine zen19 is running?
soeasy [3d\]: LOL
cloud [2d\]: much weaker..
LionelLee [7k\]: b's circuit boards are overheating?
palapiku [7k?\]: zen19 is running zen
AmerBeton [8k\]: is there a go bot which play cosmic ?
isoppu [7k\]: 私のＰＣに棋譜残せるかな?
Eigenspace [5k\]: ok
soeasy [3d\]: giving u 5 handi isnt a problem i think =P
benjiboy87 [25k\]: So are there gona be 2 matches?
rEDwARRIOR [5k\]: i played zen19 when it was 2d and i had 6 stones and i easily won
]
;W[cf]C[cdocdo [6k\]: 残せる
soeasy [3d\]: wats the strongest bot ? 1d?
PwndKitty [3d\]: cuz u had 6 stones
cdocdo [6k\]: 残せますよ
Mikki [2k\]: 6 stones -.-
PwndKitty [3d\]: obvious;ly
Lebron [?\]: redwarrior
]
;B[ch]C[Estrella [5k\]: b should get money or pro status if he wins
Lebron [?\]: bots play better with handicap
soeasy [3d\]: c12 bad
Lebron [?\]: and play worse against handicap
Oloril [1k\]: if you're going to call it weak you should at least beat it even
isoppu [7k\]: そうか！嬉しい！勉強しよう
Lebron [?\]: because scenarios are more distinct and less abstract
]
;W[cd]C[PwndKitty [3d\]: wat oloril said is rgihtl
PwndKitty [3d\]: righT*
soeasy [3d\]: b15 will have been so much better
hwitch [1k\]: zenは優勢なときは手を緩めるから
rinset [1d\]: ちぢこまった手ぇ多いっすね＞Zen
PwndKitty [3d\]: c16 is a good move
Hoof [2d\]: c12 shows that b has no spirit
hwitch [1k\]: 置き碁は苦手なのかな
s6k [4k\]: PwndKitty handicap 6 with me?:">
]
;B[no]C[cdocdo [6k\]: そうですね
PwndKitty [3d\]: no
rEDwARRIOR [5k\]: all imn saying is it doesnt have a chance in this game
leonus [23k?\]: who do u think will win
iggypoof [21k\]: zen19 will overheat under intense pressure and malfunction;
PwndKitty [3d\]: im bad against handicap
tenka13d [5d\]: 問題は中盤以降から終盤にかけてですね
PwndKitty [3d\]: sorry
PwndKitty [3d\]: :)
]
;W[dc]C[PwndKitty [3d\]: im bad with handicap too
ProGoVerb [5k\]: is this japanese?
Solid30k [2k\]: b tennuki after w c16 haha how brave
Shinjin [10k\]: ７石でも白が勝つでしょう
Kuros [8k\]: im bad
WuHoUnited [4k\]: PwndKitty is a bot?
]
;B[de]C[s6k [4k\]: ^^
cdocdo [6k\]: yes
PwndKitty [3d\]: i'd rather play even than with handicap
benjiboy87 [25k\]: looks like zen is playing for middle to me
rinset [1d\]: モンテカルロなんすか＞Zen
from2ch [7k\]: 勝負手が無理手になりすぎると死亡フラグに’`
]
;W[ce]C[PwndKitty [3d\]: OH YES. im a bot, which is why im talking to everyone
cdocdo [6k\]: みたいです
PwndKitty [3d\]: lmfao
PwndKitty [3d\]: lmao*
cdocdo [6k\]: ＞モンテカルロ
palapiku [7k?\]: it's either very brave or silly for zen to take 7 handi instead of 9
rEDwARRIOR [5k\]: Oloril that was an even game
soeasy [3d\]: rofl
rinset [1d\]: ふんむ
Kuros [8k\]: 
goIngo [-\]: calibration game for handicap?
]
;B[eg]C[Oloril [1k\]: if you have handicap it's not even
dsaunfan [-\]: i think zen19 is pretty good, but inconsistent
hwitch [1k\]: モンテカルロらしく中央に地を作りたがる
Estrella [5k\]: zen19 talked at the beginning of the game, kitty! bots can talk too!
Kyuss [1k\]: e13 really sucks i think
AmerBeton [8k\]: w already gained a lot
]
;W[ec]C[PwndKitty [3d\]: >.>
SunnyD [2d\]: B BOT is thick, easy game for B
benjiboy87 [25k\]: lol preprogramed responses
hiroto5353: ニア僕の勝ちだ
soeasy [3d\]: if b just defend corners , b wil
soeasy [3d\]: win*
]
;B[gd]C[rEDwARRIOR [5k\]: zen19 was 2d at the time i had 6 stones i had the disadvantage 
rinset [1d\]: 終盤強いから、メイエンさん油断できないな～
PwndKitty [3d\]: q11 for fun
jumpdragon: m3
ProGoVerb [5k\]: white will win with some uber tesujis
AmerBeton [8k\]: n5
PwndKitty [3d\]: so, u cant call sumone weak until u beat it with no handicap
]
;W[fe]C[Medice [?\]: black playing strangely
PwndKitty [3d\]: easily
rinset [1d\]: こーいうヘンな手ぇ出るとよえぇと思ってしまふが
burtlab: these shapes are so strange
rEDwARRIOR [5k\]: so it wasnt an even game?
]
;B[ge]C[ProGoVerb [5k\]: black is a computer they allways play strange
iggypoof [21k\]: black is stacked
PwndKitty [3d\]: even game = no handicap
Solid30k [2k\]: zen-suji
cdocdo [6k\]: G16ってなんだ・・・
Ferushen [6k\]: calling someone weak is rude
benjiboy87 [25k\]: whites got some territory secure, but blask has strong middle influence
]
;W[ff]C[burtlab: this is not like the AGC game
rEDwARRIOR [5k\]: so your saying black isnt really as strong as the rank states
burtlab: that game had better shapes
AmerBeton [8k\]: i wonder when he gonna autoatari ?
]
;B[gg]C[WuHoUnited [4k\]: white has practically won already
igoskii: g16 links to m16 m17 attack
Hestler [6k\]: b is computer?
benjiboy87 [25k\]: yeah
cdocdo [6k\]: yes
soeasy [3d\]: i dont think b is 1d..
Solid30k [2k\]: no
PwndKitty [3d\]: how someone plays with/against handicap also matters
kaorihi [2d\]: ２目軽く見た意味かね
PwndKitty [3d\]: well, it managed to beat sum 1ds
]
;W[pq]C[Ferushen [6k\]: autoatari lol, that's apropriate
SunnyD [2d\]: B is home free already
SunnyD [2d\]: W is playing too fast
benjiboy87 [25k\]: how many handi did b have?
htfku: 1dすごいなぁコンピューターにも勝てなくなる時代がきたのか
YukiStone [2k\]: b has beat many 1ds here
rEDwARRIOR [5k\]: maybe handicap throws the bot off
dimitar [1k\]: B's strength will come out in the end game
]
;B[qq]C[cdocdo [6k\]: そう考えたいですね＞２目
AmerBeton [8k\]: go for moyo zen
ProGoVerb [5k\]: dont seem like white is straining himself in this game lol
Hestler [6k\]: playing fast for a computer
rEDwARRIOR [5k\]: true dimitar
benjiboy87 [25k\]: what was b's handi?
ProGoVerb [5k\]: 7
]
;W[qr]C[ProGoVerb [5k\]: stones
benjiboy87 [25k\]: yeah
soeasy [3d\]: probably at end game a bot should calculate more accurate than a human
cdocdo [6k\]: 7
iggypoof [21k\]: 1 dan bot versus 9p.....
]
;B[oq]C[TetsuoKaga [8k\]: Options ---> Rules
goIngo [-\]: only calibration game
Flight [1k\]: that's not necessiraly true so easy
PwndKitty [3d\]: but its alot of stones
]
;W[pr]
;B[op]C[AmerBeton [8k\]: i don't think zen better than o meien in yose
Solid30k [2k\]: this is the first official game a computer vs a 9p? right?
rinset [1d\]: 固い
PwndKitty [3d\]: this is actually proper handicap
Solid30k [2k\]: on 19x19 board
]
;W[or]C[cdocdo [6k\]: mmmm maybe so...
Hestler [6k\]: probably not the first ever
Estrella [5k\]: it's on kgs can it really be considered official?
]
;B[mq]C[benjiboy87 [25k\]: lol
Flight [1k\]: yes
iggypoof [21k\]: is oumeien playing on kgs?
donutt [20k\]: what is the handicap?
rinset [1d\]: おぉ、うまい
Flight [1k\]: 7stones
PwndKitty [3d\]: 7 is the handicap
]
;W[qp]C[Flight [1k\]: sheesh just press the skip to beginning button
andrewshen [7k\]: b isnt a computer, this is a human giving the entire kgs server a reverse turing test
Hestler [6k\]: b is rolling
]
;B[qo]C[benjiboy87 [25k\]: theres a thought, what if the game isn't happening on kgs, but being relayed
AmerBeton [8k\]: oumeien playing on real boards
ProGoVerb [5k\]: oumeien strongest japanese?
ftroiset [2d\]: at the moment, zen is clearly winning
Estrella [5k\]: it's not, it's not a demo =\\
DuskEagle [9k\]: that'd be awesome andrew
Flight [1k\]: no progoverb
Flight [1k\]: but he's still pretty strong
AmerBeton [8k\]: cho u strongest japanese
ProGoVerb [5k\]: k
cdocdo [6k\]: not strongest
torahey [?\]: 黒、部分的に損しても最終的に帳尻を合わせる？
Estrella [5k\]: cho u quit though
]
;W[rq]C[Estrella [5k\]: lol
goIngo [-\]: Jun-Xun Zhou 9p in February 2009
SHECKLER [9k\]: =/
Flight [1k\]: well u can't really say strongest for sure
goIngo [-\]: against MoGo
ProGoVerb [5k\]: takemiya then?
iggypoof [21k\]: sai is
]
;B[nr]C[Flight [1k\]: but he does hold the most titles
leonus [23k?\]:  im watching three go matches and atittle actch o n three difrent sites
Solid30k [2k\]: l3 ?
cdocdo [6k\]: now, cho is strongest in japanese pro.
]
;W[gf]C[thrlBblood [4k\]: Cho U didn't quit
Flight [1k\]: l3 is small
thrlBblood [4k\]: That was lee sedol
Hestler [6k\]: i want to see how well B ko's
thrlBblood [4k\]: who is korean
tenka13d [5d\]: 七子の下手の打ち方じゃないですね。
LionelLee [7k\]: cho u is a taiwanese?
Estrella [5k\]: oh whoops
]
;B[hf]C[Estrella [5k\]: hahaha
Eigenspace [5k\]: j4
danigabi [6d\]: cho u strongest japanese, only he is from taiwan
Kyuss [1k\]: like i said, e13  bad
danigabi [6d\]: like o meien
thrlBblood [4k\]: Originally taiwanese, plays in Japan
]
;W[fg]C[nagato [6d?\]: ここからがつよいですね
benjiboy87 [25k\]: b has influence and a little shape on l and r sides, but w can push down into middle still
ProGoVerb [5k\]: what about takemiya
]
;B[fh]C[benjiboy87 [25k\]: hm
thrlBblood [4k\]: by far the strongest--no one has ever held more titles simultaneously
rinset [1d\]: メイエンさんが実利稼いで外勢張らせてる
]
;W[eh]C[cdocdo [6k\]: この辺から見物ですね
thrlBblood [4k\]: takemiya was top tier in the 80s, early 90s.  now he is probably not top ten
]
;B[fi]C[kaorihi [2d\]: 先生結構ゴリゴリ行ってる気がする
goIngo [-\]: SE still at +100 for Bklack  ;-)
leonus [23k?\]: who is cho
goIngo [-\]: black
ProGoVerb [5k\]: d13 
Kuros [8k\]: but the tango will bring him to the top again
]
;W[hg]C[Flight [1k\]: that's because it tihinks bottom right is dead
Hestler [6k\]: b has 7 handi, it would be tough to lose that by move 60
merik [13k\]: cho chikun
Solid30k [2k\]: f11 terrible answer
burtlab: SE biased, of course the computer says the bot is winning
]
;B[if]C[kaorihi [2d\]: つがない
benjiboy87 [25k\]: thinks its dead or gave it up
SunnyD [2d\]: F11 10p move
rinset [1d\]: おや
torahey [?\]: おお！
silvereye [6k?\]: メイエン打つの早い
]
;W[gh]C[Aloriless [6k\]: MoGo still gives 80%
cdocdo [6k\]: ７子だから無理手でもゴリゴリいかないとやばそう
f16xl [2k?\]: こういうのがおもしろいけど
]
;B[je]C[cdocdo [6k\]: 思ったより打つの速いですね
dame6togo: how do you use SE?
goIngo [-\]: Aloriless, which hardware?
]
;W[id]C[f16xl [2k?\]: 黒は上辺は半分くらい自分のものと思ってるのかも
dame6togo: how do you use SE
tyuunisan: 中二さん
burtlab: K15?
Rakeliem [2d\]: 1 dan computer?
ProGoVerb [5k\]: allways funny to watch bots make the most weird moves uve ever seen
goIngo [-\]: under "options"
burtlab: touching weak stones?
]
;B[md]C[tenka13d [5d\]: そろそろ非勢モードに入るのかな
hiroto5353: 何？
asdfgh2 [4k\]: あれ・・・
benjiboy87 [25k\]: black cut off top...
]
;W[kd]C[benjiboy87 [25k\]: harder to invade middle now
Aloriless [6k\]: goigo: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4000+, 20s
rinset [1d\]: おぉ
iggypoof [21k\]: is Cho Hunhyun the strongest go player?
Flight [1k\]: not any more
rinset [1d\]: 塗りつけるつもぢだったのか？
]
;B[mc]C[goIngo [-\]: thx aloriless
cdocdo [6k\]: おそらく＞塗りつける
merik [13k\]: i like cho chikun style the most
SHECKLER [9k\]: Weakened :/
cdocdo [6k\]: ３３？
eS0rven [1k\]: seems so hard for W
xDragon [15k\]: before lee sedol went on hiatus he was strongest
from2ch [7k\]: 借金多いですね
Hestler [6k\]: br17
xDragon [15k\]: now its cho u imo
hiroto5353: 誰か呼んだ？
ProGoVerb [5k\]: white not putting alot fo effort in this game
Flight [1k\]: nah I bet Cho U wouldn't be able to hold up against the strongest korean players
rinset [1d\]: 上辺白３子がアブない
cloud [2d\]: computer probably stronger than 1d with a more powerful processor
ProGoVerb [5k\]: or so it has seemed
]
;W[ke]C[oogogog: which one is the computer?
SunnyD [2d\]: xDragon, you are a funny dude
seishiro [6k\]: like lee chang ho
Flight [1k\]: black
Pianist [10k\]: black
benjiboy87 [25k\]: b is com
tyuunisan: なべさん
Flight [1k\]: duh lol
cloud [2d\]: cho u is certaintly weaker than lee changho
]
;B[kf]
;W[lf]C[xDragon [15k\]: i did say imo
]
;B[kg]C[Flight [1k\]: lots of incredibly strong young korean players actually
iggypoof [21k\]: how do you turn pro at 9?!
]
;W[me]C[xDragon [15k\]: pass the exam
ProGoVerb [5k\]: by haveing strict parents
benjiboy87 [25k\]: start playing at 4?
kaorihi [2d\]: 左上一帯白地なら勝負になってるきがする
DuskEagle [9k\]: most pros turned pro before 20
]
;B[ne]C[Dylirius [6k\]: *sob*
ProGoVerb [5k\]: the earlier u start the faster u learn
palapiku [7k?\]: go is for young people
Flight [1k\]: well there are just geniuses in the world
Hikaru13 [23k?\]: but 9? geez
igoskii: when will W cut h15 ?
]
;W[nf]C[Flight [1k\]: in every field
Rakeliem [2d\]: no there aren't
dame6togo: well
benjiboy87 [25k\]: yeah.  big learning spurt from 2-5 years
rinset [1d\]: コンピュータの考えることはわからねぇ
]
;B[nd]C[ProGoVerb [5k\]: younger u are the faster u learn
dame6togo: their are some people who just think logically
soeasy [3d\]: h15
YukiStone [2k\]: tartrate is on, maybe he will play
dame6togo: people with usually high IQ can
]
;W[he]C[Rakeliem [2d\]: geniuses are a myth
igoskii: comes
iggypoof [21k\]: nice
dame6togo: make moves easier for them
]
;B[rp]C[Hikaru13 [23k?\]: those lucky kids
tenka13d [5d\]: さあどうなる
Flight [1k\]: there isn't a single field with a few individuals who are just incredible
rinset [1d\]: 上辺切って白安心
Flight [1k\]: almost superhuman
igoskii: just s1 and alive
PwndKitty [3d\]: meow
Hestler [6k\]: ko
Medice [?\]: black doesnt have much of an advantage anymore
Hestler [6k\]: do it
rinset [1d\]: キツいなこのアテ
PwndKitty [3d\]: s5
Pianist [10k\]: no ko
DuskEagle [9k\]: flight, you mean without?
PwndKitty [3d\]: lmao
]
;W[mh]C[Flight [1k\]: yeah
Rakeliem [2d\]: you mean who "aren't?
Flight [1k\]: without
PwndKitty [3d\]: darn
dame6togo: i heard that their is a computer go player that beat a pro player giving it a nine handicap O_o
zzz [2k\]: b j3 
soeasy [3d\]: rofl
soeasy [3d\]: ignore
rinset [1d\]: ツイだら白死に？
]
;B[li]C[PwndKitty [3d\]: well white kinda has too
PwndKitty [3d\]: or he'll lose
Flight [1k\]: no, i don't mean aren't rakeliem
ProGoVerb [5k\]: lol this 9p just says. F..... u
soeasy [3d\]: yeah
gary1688: ou is from taiwan
Shunko [14k?\]: wait
Shunko [14k?\]: computer?
iggypoof [21k\]: do people like lee chang-ho and Cho Hunhyun make a living by playing go?
Shunko [14k?\]: o_o"
soeasy [3d\]: nah he iss saying its boring
dimitar [1k\]: テヌキが早かった
seishiro [6k\]: yep
]
;W[lh]C[Estrella [5k\]: that's the emaning of professional...
lyn3k [3k\]: right botom is ko now?
gary1688: should know chinese
benjiboy87 [25k\]: w probably lose lower-right
Flight [1k\]: i think mogo beat a 8p korean pro at 9 stones
PwndKitty [3d\]: r15
Aloriless [6k\]: dropping: MoGo: 76%
]
;B[ki]C[thrlBblood [4k\]: myungwan kim was the pro
xDragon [15k\]: lower right is safe
Pianist [10k\]: depends who plays bottom right first as to whether or not it's ko
Flight [1k\]: there u go
]
;W[nj]C[kaorihi [2d\]: ついでもカケツギでなんとかなる？
benjiboy87 [25k\]: oh, yeah I guess so
Flight [1k\]: myungwan kim lost to mogo, but still 9 handi lol
PwndKitty [3d\]: r15 PROBE!
]
;B[mk]C[PwndKitty [3d\]: or r17 and try to fit in there..
PwndKitty [3d\]: hm
]
;W[nk]C[iggypoof [21k\]: which on edo you think is more diffcult; go or chess
ProGoVerb [5k\]: i think its like moves computers make dont make sense to us, because computers think purley math when they play?
rinset [1d\]: 白の流れよくなってきたな～
rotoryu [6k\]: zenの構想がわからなくなってきた
]
;B[nl]C[goIngo [-\]: se down to 63
rinset [1d\]: 黒うけ一方
Flight [1k\]: iggypoo, don't start stupid go-chess discussions in the middle of a go game
PwndKitty [3d\]: moneys on white
]
;W[qc]C[benjiboy87 [25k\]: could be, computer doesn't have vision or perspective, just theory and algorithms.
Hikaru13 [23k?\]: that's exactly what it is progoverb
iggypoof [21k\]: cybernoney
]
;B[qd]C[igoskii: ko?
PwndKitty [3d\]: q18
]
;W[rd]C[bluetable [-\]: black is scared
PwndKitty [3d\]: or ko
rinset [1d\]: 右下はどーなるんだろーなぁ
benjiboy87 [25k\]: no ko, he doesn't need it
htfku: 右下は黒から打ってコウですか？
lastmonk [6k\]: how are computers at kos?
PwndKitty [3d\]: ya u do
Shunko [14k?\]: lol poor 1d
]
;B[pc]C[ProGoVerb [5k\]: black knows no fear
Flight [1k\]: what's with all the japanese in here
Shunko [14k?\]: not used to 300 observers
PwndKitty [3d\]: WHOA
cdocdo [6k\]: 右下気になりますね
PwndKitty [3d\]: oh
PwndKitty [3d\]: never mind 
]
;W[rb]C[YukiStone [2k\]: a japanese pro is on maybe????
goIngo [-\]: on friday we were 800
Hikaru13 [23k?\]: you'd think the responses here would be a lot more
PwndKitty [3d\]: but white profits well here
Aloriless [6k\]: MoGo: 76%
]
;B[qb]C[benjiboy87 [25k\]: hm
]
;W[rc]C[tenka13d [5d\]: もう黒勝てなさそう…
HikaShin [-\]: what yuki stone said
PwndKitty [3d\]: s14 if q18
PwndKitty [3d\]: q18 if s15
]
;B[pb]C[dimitar [1k\]: 右下はコウかな
benjiboy87 [25k\]: w hard pressed to live in upper right
PwndKitty [3d\]: no
PwndKitty [3d\]: this is good for white
ProGoVerb [5k\]: but i think its so hard to program a computer to a certain level. who can say that a 1d plays just like this" how strong u are is dependable on how much joseki/tesuji and life and death u know, and ur style might be good against some people, but rubbish against others
]
;W[rf]C[igoskii: no flood please
PwndKitty [3d\]: alot of potential territory disappears
iggypoof [21k\]: no food either
Flight [1k\]: that's not flooding
]
;B[qg]C[dame6togo: thats true wat progoverb says
ProGoVerb [5k\]: this is something thats going to be very hard for programmers to get right in the future
]
;W[rg]C[DuskEagle [9k\]: progoverb, ever heard of the monte carlo algorithm?
ProGoVerb [5k\]: no
]
;B[rh]C[PwndKitty [3d\]: whites gonna win
subprime [3k\]: it shows
ProGoVerb [5k\]: please endulge
SunnyD [2d\]: lol
Flight [1k\]: i think they're programmign computers to play based on moves made by pros
Pianist [10k\]: i thought everyone's heard of that
benjiboy87 [25k\]: yeah, whites turned this around nicely
SunnyD [2d\]: all that spiel and don't know monte carlo
goIngo [-\]: randomness rules in Monte-Carlo
PwndKitty [3d\]: its in my gut
DuskEagle [9k\]: it's basically like, run a million simulations, and analyze the best moves from those
lyn3k [3k\]: can white S19 now?
xDragon [15k\]: well white is 9p
]
;W[ri]C[xDragon [15k\]: obv he would turn it around
akahoshi: うおおおおおおおおおおおおぉぉぉぉぉぉぉぉぉぉぉ
soeasy [3d\]: no need s19
PwndKitty [3d\]: yea
Suola [7k\]: monte carlo algorith in go is like killing a bear with a nuke, so to speak
benjiboy87 [25k\]: computer can't exhaustively analyze go
]
;B[qh]C[iggypoof [21k\]: in a few years computer will be smarter then humans.?
benjiboy87 [25k\]: not without supercompter anyway
PwndKitty [3d\]: good for black
soeasy [3d\]: hmm now need
PwndKitty [3d\]: yes
benjiboy87 [25k\]: actually, super SUPER computer
Shunko [14k?\]: good lord i forgot there was a handicap
PwndKitty [3d\]: lmao
Flight [1k\]: bottom is starting to look juicy
]
;W[ra]C[Shunko [14k?\]: it doesnt even look like it
Medice [?\]: in a few years computers will be able to make better toasts than human
]
;B[dg]C[Oloril [1k\]: you don't need it to be exhaustive
SunnyD [2d\]: I like juicy
soeasy [3d\]: soo small
Flight [1k\]: who doesn't
PwndKitty [3d\]: this is gote..
pasky [1d\]: suola: it by far works best from all approaches
iggypoof [21k\]: creamy
ProGoVerb [5k\]: well yeah i get that, but like can they get a computer to play for instance, "a ladder that doesnt work" to get a good result somewhere else on the map. i rember one player did sometime but i dont rember his name
Rakeliem [2d\]: Toast?
Hikaru13 [23k?\]: computers make better toat now
PwndKitty [3d\]: gote for black
PwndKitty [3d\]: lol
soeasy [3d\]: ya
Hikaru13 [23k?\]: *toast
soeasy [3d\]: even s1 is bigger
tyuunidaze: にこにこ
Rakeliem [2d\]: as in bread toast?
iggypoof [21k\]: and some tea
DuskEagle [9k\]: i think lee sedol did that.
Aloriless [6k\]: MoGo: 79% (+3)
Chrom [4k\]: no prob,acar isfasterasahuman beeingtoo,there are still olympic games 
Hikaru13 [23k?\]: no the other kind of toast
]
;W[gi]C[igoskii: l3 is big
ProGoVerb [5k\]: can computers learn how to jugde when its good to use tesujis or other advance plays insted of just makein pure profit moves
Rakeliem [2d\]: ..
Flight [1k\]: Aloriless what the hell are you talking about
goIngo [-\]: thx aloriless
Lebron [?\]: yeah, for reals
]
;B[ml]C[burtlab: so I feel like white is already winning, I dont' know what mogo is on
benjiboy87 [25k\]: there are multiple kinds of toast?
lyn3k [3k\]: I am surprised the large space near K3
pasky [1d\]: thx aloriless
krasno: ray kurzwiel thinks computers will be smarter than humans when we get a computer that can do the raw computations, and tell it too look like a brain
DuskEagle [9k\]: it really just depends on how advanced the program is progoverb. it's all POSIBLE
iggypoof [21k\]: what is mogo? you wanna get high?
benjiboy87 [25k\]: theres an idea, use an ai so it grows stronger as its played
Flight [1k\]: what's aloriless doing...?
thrlBblood [4k\]: it's a bad theory, krasno
ThiGar [7k\]: which program is zen19?
Rakeliem [2d\]: yes toast has more than 1 definition
Aloriless [6k\]: Flight: http://www.lri.fr/~gelly/MoGo_Download.htm
goIngo [-\]: he is running MoGo
kaorihi [2d\]: こういう手抜きがゼンの弱点だね
thrlBblood [4k\]: brain has all this sensory imput
krasno: I didn't say it was a good theory
ProGoVerb [5k\]: hmmm i think it will be many years but sure in the future i wouldnt doubt it will be possible
thrlBblood [4k\]: ok
krasno: I just put forth an opinion and a source
ProGoVerb [5k\]: but i think we are far from it yet
Aloriless [6k\]: Flight: asking for MoGo:s opinion about position, win %
Flight [1k\]: ah i see
krasno: but, sensory input is fairly easy to replicate
Shunko [14k?\]: wait 79% for who/
Flight [1k\]: win % for who?
subprime [3k\]: oh, no krasno
Shunko [14k?\]: haha
krasno: the tough thing is the structure that evolution shoves into our brains
]
;W[bo]C[jumpdragon: ....
benjiboy87 [25k\]: they've got ai conversation programs that learn responses to questions, not too farfetched for go ai
iggypoof [21k\]: damn it stop writing i'm trying yo copy an address
jumpdragon: k3
thrlBblood [4k\]: krasno, you gotta be kidding about that
Aloriless [6k\]: MoGo on *much* faster hardware and more recent version too has beaten pros
Solid30k [2k\]: hahaha iggy
]
;B[ep]C[krasno: kidding about what?
soeasy [3d\]: no matter how i c it, s1 is still biggest to me
Aloriless [6k\]: in handicap game of course
Eigenspace [5k\]: why not j4/k4?
]
;W[eq]C[ThiGar [7k\]: is MoGo stronger than Many Faces?
rotoryu [6k\]: 下辺より連れ戻しの方が大きいのか
thrlBblood [4k\]: replicating sensory input
ProGoVerb [5k\]: i would love to see comp at 9p level vs human 9p level
Flight [1k\]: they use different styles of programming ThiGar
Eigenspace [5k\]: e13 doesn't look nearly as important as the bottom
]
;B[gj]C[krasno: we can replicate eyes, ears, sound, and smell (very badly)
goIngo [-\]: about equal
Flight [1k\]: so u can't really say one's "stronger" than the other
goIngo [-\]: MoGo and MFoG
krasno: and touch
]
;W[hj]C[zzz [2k\]: h4 
]
;B[gk]C[benjiboy87 [25k\]: s1 just forces w to make eyse in corner, can't prevent it living
thrlBblood [4k\]: well, no--we have surrogates, but they don't function much like human sensory apparatus
soeasy [3d\]: h4 nothing
Flight [1k\]: black's territory has really shrunk down
Rakeliem [2d\]: computer is strong
ProGoVerb [5k\]: but humans allways will be superior to computers since we made them,
IceSpectre [7k\]: j11 
krasno: that's because humans have better software
zzz [2k\]: h4 j4 h3 j3 h2 j2 f3 g3 g2 g1 
PwndKitty [3d\]: no
ThiGar [7k\]: I thought they both integrate Monte Carlo
AmerBeton [8k\]: l3 ?
PwndKitty [3d\]: j11 is good
thrlBblood [4k\]: to simulate the brain, you'd have to have something that perfectly matched sensory inputs into nerve endings
PwndKitty [3d\]: :)
palapiku [7k?\]: that's why children are always inferior to their parents, ProGoVerb
Aloriless [6k\]: ThiGar: yes
Estrella [5k\]: can we keep the philisophical computer/ai discussions to a minimum?
soeasy [3d\]: k3 or smth
iggypoof [21k\]: lol
pasky [1d\]: why is the kibitz in this game so exceedingly awful?
krasno: picking out conversations from noisy settings is still largely an unsolved problem
benjiboy87 [25k\]: or get another chat room for them
Rakeliem [2d\]: or maybe just the computer makers will be superior
krasno: we do it automatically by the time we are 1-2
IceSpectre [7k\]: k3 sente 
Flight [1k\]: well it's kind appropriate estrella
iggypoof [21k\]: who cares?
Aloriless [6k\]: MoGo: 75% (-4)
PwndKitty [3d\]: k3 is not sente for white
Flight [1k\]: this is after all a pro vs. computer game
IceSpectre [7k\]: cuz of the cut on l12
]
;W[df]C[PwndKitty [3d\]: its not sente for anyone, its just big
SunnyD [2d\]: the Win rate is for B or W?
]
;B[ef]C[ProGoVerb [5k\]: i dont think this is of topic
lyn3k [3k\]: that looks tiny
Estrella [5k\]: it's fine to discuss strength but humans vs computer who's superior is silly
ProGoVerb [5k\]: its clearly game related
]
;W[ee]C[Aloriless [6k\]: Win rate is for black
iggypoof [21k\]: 3 seconds 3 seconds without someone writing something!?
kaorihi [2d\]: 計算できたみたい
asdfgh2 [4k\]: 黒馬鹿だなー・・・
]
;B[os]C[DuskEagle [9k\]: success!
iggypoof [21k\]: lol
Medice [?\]: b11 works now
lyn3k [3k\]: why w d14
ProGoVerb [5k\]: lol
jumpdragon: hmm
Rakeliem [2d\]: 1 second
PwndKitty [3d\]: b12 is big soon
Flight [1k\]: s5?
Kyuss [1k\]: p1 very big
PwndKitty [3d\]: s5 yes
rinset [1d\]: 右下は白死か
goIngo [-\]: you should have been here on friday
Aloriless [6k\]: what I'm really looking is what direction win rate changes
Rakeliem [2d\]: that was 3 seconds
Suola [7k\]: What kind of harware is ZEN19 running on?
rinset [1d\]: 形勢どーなんだろ？
AmerBeton [8k\]: s5 ko ?
ProGoVerb [5k\]: like 3 seconds of silence just to respect the poor admins who try to read all of our rubbish comments T_T
asdfgh2 [4k\]: コウか
subprime [3k\]: people get nervous when computers play strong human players. Even the smallest chance of upset seems threatening
goIngo [-\]: an admin lost his nerves andthreastens to boot
benjiboy87 [25k\]: s5 won't do much
]
;W[jq]C[Eigenspace [5k\]: finally
goIngo [-\]: threatened
iggypoof [21k\]: new goal; 6 seconds, anyone?!
rinset [1d\]: んやまだコウにできるね～
Flight [1k\]: well it can make white live benji
]
;B[lr]C[ProGoVerb [5k\]: no ty
asdfgh2 [4k\]: ハンデ吹っ飛んだね
soeasy [3d\]: ,,
jumpdragon: t12
soeasy [3d\]: so 1 sided
jackyyan [1d\]: s5
soeasy [3d\]: l18
Flight [1k\]: try to read it out benji - it's a ko
pasky [1d\]: is it?
PwndKitty [3d\]: 2 step ko
benjiboy87 [25k\]: how so? ws5, br3, ...
ProGoVerb [5k\]: black looks all chopped up to heavy fat pieces
rinset [1d\]: メイエンさんすでに余裕かな～＞右下コウに行かない
benjiboy87 [25k\]: what then
soeasy [3d\]: just now it wasnt ko
isoppu [7k\]: コウにしてガチャガチャやるんでしょうね
Solid30k [2k\]: dude m17 huge
cdocdo [6k\]: soudesune
soeasy [3d\]: if w s1 = not ko
cdocdo [6k\]: そうですね
Kyorai [?\]: b7 for w ?
]
;W[dn]C[xDragon [15k\]: benji its a ko now
Flight [1k\]: yes
PwndKitty [3d\]: m18 for white not m17
Flight [1k\]: that's a ko benji
xDragon [15k\]: b3 = ko
xDragon [15k\]: r3*
]
;B[en]C[iggypoof [21k\]: what is a ko
Flight [1k\]: after s5
ProGoVerb [5k\]: R3
ProGoVerb [5k\]: is a ko
]
;W[bm]C[Solid30k [2k\]: ko is a type of sushi
soeasy [3d\]: ko means u go to godictionary and find
benjiboy87 [25k\]: yeah but I don't see how s5 helps any
iggypoof [21k\]: sushi? lol
]
;B[kb]C[Aloriless [6k\]: MoGo: 72% (-3)
Flight [1k\]: that is why ur 25k >>
SunnyD [2d\]: KO is the stock symbol for an evil company
Aloriless [6k\]: not looking good if it drops this fast
Hikaru13 [23k?\]: damn it, i'm hungry for sushi now
iggypoof [21k\]: ko sounds like a drug
soeasy [3d\]: oh
subprime [3k\]: ko means you still don't know the rules
]
;W[jb]C[Kuros [8k\]: ko is cow in swedish
Aloriless [6k\]: for computer
soeasy [3d\]: i see tesujis
PwndKitty [3d\]: b12 is big
ProGoVerb [5k\]: KO is a knockout
]
;B[jr]C[DuskEagle [9k\]: why not w r3? that forces bs5, then ws1 makes a miai for life
iggypoof [21k\]: lol
tenka13d [5d\]: トッププロに七子で勝ったら実力三段ぐらいだけど、まだ無理っぽい
Flight [1k\]: yose is where it counts now
PwndKitty [3d\]: no it doesnt
Solid30k [2k\]: big yose points from compter
]
;W[ir]C[kaorihi [2d\]: 右下取っても大差みたい
]
;B[kq]C[htfku: KGSで3dってことですか？
pasky [1d\]: duskedge: after w s1, b t2 and then?
PwndKitty [3d\]: its not miai for life
Archaic [2d\]: k4
Flight [1k\]: l17 is sente though is it no?
ProGoVerb [5k\]: k4 
DuskEagle [9k\]: w s5
soeasy [3d\]: s5 = gote 20 pt
tenka13d [5d\]: いや、日本棋院基準です
PwndKitty [3d\]: its not sente
soeasy [3d\]: but big
iggypoof [21k\]: T19
PwndKitty [3d\]: b12 for white
]
;W[jp]C[soeasy [3d\]: i would c11
ProGoVerb [5k\]: im 9p YES!
DuskEagle [9k\]: ah ok thx
Flight [1k\]: if white ignores l17
]
;B[is]C[Flight [1k\]: black can push quite a bit
Archaic [2d\]: not everything has to be sente
soeasy [3d\]: c11 should be playable
lyn3k [3k\]: Is t12 gote for white?
Ferushen [6k\]: grats progoverb
ProGoVerb [5k\]: ty
Flight [1k\]: depends on black lyn3k
eS0rven [1k\]: lol
Archaic [2d\]: h1
Flight [1k\]: i think b8 is bigger though
Mikki [2k\]: h1n1
]
;W[hs]C[iggypoof [21k\]: lol
asdfgh2 [4k\]: 右下とればまだ勝ってない？
SunnyD [2d\]: W senseing trouble
]
;B[bl]C[Flight [1k\]: b9
Flight [1k\]: oh no that doesn't work
SunnyD [2d\]: taking longer to play now
Kyuss [1k\]: b want ko
iggypoof [21k\]: why didn't black go h2?
goIngo [-\]: I think they will stop earlier or later
dame6togo: it won't work
YukiStone [2k\]: b just wants 1s and 0s
Flight [1k\]: k1 looks sweet for white
dame6togo: K1
Aloriless [6k\]: MoGo: 73% (+1)
dame6togo: then
dame6togo: bad things happen haha
iggypoof [21k\]: i see
iggypoof [21k\]: lol
tenka13d [5d\]: 黒はヨセでアジの悪いところがたくさんあるから多分勝てないと思います
benjiboy87 [25k\]: hm yeah
Flight [1k\]: B should hav efinished with k1
Archaic [2d\]: this is black's game
]
;W[ps]C[Archaic [2d\]: for sure
Flight [1k\]: have*
Archaic [2d\]: i'm betting my marbles on black
Kyuss [1k\]: k1 first
goIngo [-\]: Is the author of Zen here?
Estrella [5k\]: Does anyone know if computers can beat pros 9x9 yet?
dame6togo: but one stone won't be good enough
Flight [1k\]: ko
dimitar [1k\]: W+R
]
;B[ib]C[soeasy [3d\]: s2
soeasy [3d\]: wow
dame6togo: let black respond after 
iggypoof [21k\]: hey, hee is 9p i think he has a reason for not going K1
soeasy [3d\]: overplay
Flight [1k\]: woah what the
benjiboy87 [25k\]: yeah, its already happened
Oloril [1k\]: computers can beat pros at 9x9, but not all the time
benjiboy87 [25k\]: check wikipedia
soeasy [3d\]: k19
pasky [1d\]: creates threats :)
soeasy [3d\]: more like doing stunts to me
pasky [1d\]: not that big ones though
Ferushen [6k\]: but iggy, wouldn't someone here see it? ;p
]
;W[ja]C[akahoshi: ニコニコ動画で囲碁やってますよ!!
Archaic [2d\]: how does that create threat
Archaic [2d\]: isn't that itself a threat
]
;B[ld]C[pasky [1d\]: ah
]
;W[le]C[Kyuss [1k\]: MoGo has beaten professionals on 9x9, but only 1 out of 3
]
;B[kh]C[Flight [1k\]: lol at least white can't capture l18 now
dame6togo: iggy k1 is not that big of a move
soeasy [3d\]: ..........
pasky [1d\]: well yes at m16 it gets to the realms of "get strong at computer go"
Flight [1k\]: woah what the heck lol
dame6togo: its like wasting a move get it?
jumpdragon: t12
iggypoof [21k\]: i see
soeasy [3d\]: i think its telling w to press pass lol
minismurf [-\]: are they playing a 9x9 after this game?
Flight [1k\]: s1 to live completely
YukiStone [2k\]: s1 and w+resign
Flight [1k\]: uncondtionally anyhow
Solid30k [2k\]: w b12 huge
]
;W[ns]C[ProGoVerb [5k\]: b13 
dame6togo: S5 would be a good one!
Flight [1k\]: oh yeah this first
Hikaru13 [23k?\]: why s1 when he could o1 like he did
]
;B[np]C[Flight [1k\]: s1
iggypoof [21k\]: for oumeien?
soeasy [3d\]: s5
dame6togo: S1 lives!
benjiboy87 [25k\]: s1 good
goIngo [-\]: & for zen?
soeasy [3d\]: y s1 when u can s5 for a stone
goIngo [-\]: % for zen?
Kyuss [1k\]: s1 is ko for b if w tenuki
iggypoof [21k\]: OUMEIEN S1!
Archaic [2d\]: o meien will s5 ko
dame6togo: well
benjiboy87 [25k\]: for oumeien
dame6togo: if you want to risk a KO
Flight [1k\]: because s5 is a ko
Archaic [2d\]: for sure
dame6togo: you don't want to S5
Aloriless [6k\]: MoGo: 75% (+2)
soeasy [3d\]: i dun think there is a risk
goIngo [-\]: thx
minismurf [-\]: seems like w created some confusion with this ko on the board
dame6togo: well
soeasy [3d\]: its gote in the 1st place
dame6togo: haha
Ferushen [6k\]: if he reads that he wins the ko he will paly it
Flight [1k\]: MoGo probably thinks bottom right is dead
dame6togo: true then u could do S1 rite?
lastmonk [6k\]: SE and Black brothers
Estrella [5k\]: SE is playing obvious favoritism.
benjiboy87 [25k\]: doens't need s5 to live, s1 works
sagesse [2k?\]: who is white?
]
;W[rs]C[iggypoof [21k\]: he wins a swedish cow?
bluetable [-\]: the cut is severe
Archaic [2d\]: bah
lyn3k [3k\]: s5 is a ko, but s5 degrades to s1 if white has no more threats.
Archaic [2d\]: no fun
]
;B[lg]C[YukiStone [2k\]: pro thought s1 was better
lyn3k [3k\]: yet there it is!
htfku: 黒が右下行かなかったのが不思議
Ferushen [6k\]: s5 :(
pasky [1d\]: zen wanna kill this w group
palapiku [7k?\]: Aloriless, how is the estimate after s1?
]
;W[mg]C[dame6togo: pro players make up their mind
Medice [?\]: black really wants to pressure n13
Aloriless [6k\]: Flight: you could be right, it wanted to play H3 instead of O4
Kyuss [1k\]: b thinks n13 is dead
]
;B[qe]C[Archaic [2d\]: pro feared zen's calculation ability
Solid30k [2k\]: SE is also a code its normal to favor Zen
srock [3d\]: これ生きられたらもうﾀﾞﾒだ・・
]
;W[re]C[Archaic [2d\]: lol
Solid30k [2k\]: :P
pasky [1d\]: k1!
]
;B[hd]C[Flight [1k\]: lol
]
;W[ie]C[rinset [1d\]: コウにもならずに生きか＞右下
Flight [1k\]: this seems pretty brave
Kyuss [1k\]: b wants to kill
benjiboy87 [25k\]: bO13
Kyuss [1k\]: :O
]
;B[gb]C[Kuros [8k\]: b+152.5
Archaic [2d\]: zen going to frenzy mode again now?
Archaic [2d\]: ooo
iggypoof [21k\]: lol
Aloriless [6k\]: MoGo: 75 (no change)
Solid30k [2k\]: Shinogi by B... Kiai spirit :P
dame6togo: H18 would have been a good move for white
rinset [1d\]: かと思えば死に石をゴチャゴチャやっとるし
benjiboy87 [25k\]: see, he took s1, lower right lives
lyn3k [3k\]: H17?
palapiku [7k?\]: is this even sente
]
;W[hc]C[Flight [1k\]: yes
igoskii: B seeks for Semedori
Rythmic [7k\]: se b +150 =)
Kyuss [1k\]: it is sente
dame6togo: h17 won't work
rinkasei [2k\]: そこの手数のばせば攻め取りになるのかな
Archaic [2d\]: seems like zen going into frenzy mode now
DuskEagle [9k\]: lol
Archaic [2d\]: they still do that when they are going to loes?
]
;B[sq]C[Flight [1k\]: lol
Kyuss [1k\]: t3 doesnt work
benjiboy87 [25k\]: hm
]
;W[sr]C[Kyuss [1k\]: t4 only move
Archaic [2d\]: well mogo went crazy when he was losing for sure
Solid30k [2k\]: Zen has weird yose moves O-0
Flight [1k\]: well
]
;B[ic]C[Hikaru13 [23k?\]: he
Estrella [5k\]: b seems to have left very few ko threats on the board, unless I'm missing obvious ones
albundy [2k\]: waste of time... 
iggypoof [21k\]: logic
]
;W[jc]C[iggypoof [21k\]: robot logic
Flight [1k\]: k16
lastmonk [6k\]: hopeing white would forget plan after a move?
Hikaru13 [23k?\]: maybe he's just a sore loser? lol
benjiboy87 [25k\]: b trying to live
dame6togo: m18
]
;B[hr]C[Kyuss [1k\]: h18 ...
Archaic [2d\]: lol
from2ch [7k\]: そろそろ投了しそう
Solid30k [2k\]: what?
Kyuss [1k\]: what?!
Archaic [2d\]: see zen is going crazy
Flight [1k\]: lol
pasky [1d\]: lol
flutinx [1d\]: resign
benjiboy87 [25k\]: wk1
htfku: おお
Archaic [2d\]: told u
]
;W[js]C[Flight [1k\]: haha
htfku: なにそれ
Flight [1k\]: well
iggypoof [21k\]: hahahahahaha
Archaic [2d\]: ko
pasky [1d\]: hmm
rinset [1d\]: デロデロですな
benjiboy87 [25k\]: bl2
DuskEagle [9k\]: rofl
miksu [5k\]: computer sore loser  ;)
pasky [1d\]: ko?
Flight [1k\]: o-meien must be like
teston: hahaha ワロタ
Flight [1k\]: wtf
]
;B[gc]C[Solid30k [2k\]: dude re-code Zen for Yose moves
dimitar [1k\]: Zen is gonna escape
Ferushen [6k\]: over
kaorihi [2d\]: むちゃしやがってモードですな
benjiboy87 [25k\]: B L2
benjiboy87 [25k\]: hm
Rythmic [7k\]: lol
akahoshi: ww
srock [3d\]: 気持ちは痛いほどわかる
isoppu [7k\]: 投了は避けて欲しい
benjiboy87 [25k\]: computer really wants to live up there
Solid30k [2k\]: e18
]
;W[ia]C[rinkasei [2k\]: メイエン先生おめでとうございます
pasky [1d\]: well this isn't too bad
iggypoof [21k\]: N2 robot!
Flight [1k\]: then it plays j3
pasky [1d\]: it creates semedori
Estrella [5k\]: this seems like the kind of fight a 5k would try to start
]
;B[hb]C[cdocdo [6k\]: 終わった感が・・・
Archaic [2d\]: when the computer knows he has lost that is when it starts to go crazy
goIngo [-\]: % zen?
]
;W[eb]C[Flight [1k\]: e18
dimitar [1k\]: 楽勝
]
;B[ni]C[benjiboy87 [25k\]: B F19
Flight [1k\]: this doesn't capture
Solid30k [2k\]: cut yay!
igoskii: now its Semedori
pasky [1d\]: i wanna see the percentages
igoskii: B did well
Flight [1k\]: 0%
ghbn: 8コアとはいえもっと思考時間与えても良かったような…
Kuros [8k\]: i hate when i play real people that go into that mode archaic
Kyuss [1k\]: semidori is only a few points
Flight [1k\]: lol
cdocdo [6k\]: そうですね
Flight [1k\]: ther'es no way black wins now
Archaic [2d\]: lol kuros
goIngo [-\]: White going offroad ?!
Archaic [2d\]: u wouldnt want to play me then
Archaic [2d\]: i'm go madman
Rythmic [7k\]: well l1 does start a ko in which h2 makes sense...
cdocdo [6k\]: 倍くらい時間かけたら、もう少しマシになったかも・・・？
tenka13d [5d\]: 人間がプロの指導碁受ける時より時間使ってないですよね
]
;W[mi]
;B[mj]C[Kuros [8k\]: i mean when they try to invade territory more enclosed and secured than fort knox
mcw85 [7k\]: Why is this even a match?
dame6togo: WHOA
dame6togo: wat?
]
;W[oi]C[Kuros [8k\]: and waste time
dame6togo: this bot is weird
Archaic [2d\]: to test run the computer
Rythmic [7k\]: this isnt an even match
]
;B[og]C[Archaic [2d\]: and to develop new algorithms
lastmonk [6k\]: my ipod has a better go bot on it
benjiboy87 [25k\]: exibition match
Rythmic [7k\]: there was 7 handi
Flight [1k\]: lol
rinset [1d\]: 上辺と攻めあおうとしてるのかなぁ？
]
;W[nh]C[Flight [1k\]: u mean ur iPhone lastmonk?
mcw85 [7k\]: Only 7?
]
;B[kr]C[blier [1k\]: is this zen bot on the same system as usual or on some superfast computer?
lastmonk [6k\]: no itouch
]
;W[hq]C[benjiboy87 [25k\]: yeah only 7 lol
Aloriless [6k\]: MoGo: 58% (-17)!
Archaic [2d\]: i think a supercomputer
Flight [1k\]: oh iTouch, it sucks lol
blier [1k\]: ah ok
dimitar [1k\]: よくこの強さで１ｄになったね
]
;B[ha]C[Flight [1k\]: weak as hell
Kyuss [1k\]: pff
Flight [1k\]: lol not even sente
mcw85 [7k\]: ?
benjiboy87 [25k\]: white G19
Flight [1k\]: taking away its own liberties
Solid30k [2k\]: sexy sneaky moves by Zen :P
Kyuss [1k\]: h19 instead of l17? definetly wrong
zzz [2k\]: p9 
lastmonk [6k\]: inorite? still don't want to pay 70$ a month tho
Flight [1k\]: white doesn't need to do anything
]
;W[jf]C[from2ch [7k\]: 投げる直前のzenは無理手連発するのです
Archaic [2d\]: it knows it has lost
]
;B[ig]C[maney [4k\]: 設定時間が短いから人の方がミスるんだよ
Flight [1k\]: this connects
mcw85 [7k\]: Computer desparate?
Archaic [2d\]: now it is just going insane like it should insano man
benjiboy87 [25k\]: ah, I see
]
;W[lb]C[Archaic [2d\]: it's going mad i tel u
Archaic [2d\]: furious
Flight [1k\]: it already is mad
krasno: so, is this bot primarily based on monte carlo simulations?
]
;B[mb]C[Rythmic [7k\]: i'd get paranoid playing against a supposedly strong computers making such moves
dame6togo: white got sente this whole match!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AudreyJane [9k\]: yes krasno - 
AudreyJane [9k\]: look at the info screen :)
mcw85 [7k\]: You're not 9p.
lastmonk [6k\]: w better watch it or b'll become self aware.... and pissed
benjiboy87 [25k\]: Com still has strong central influence
Kyuss [1k\]: l17 much bigger than h19
Hikaru13 [23k?\]: it's gonna pull some huge move at the end and win
dame6togo: haha
krasno: then it is expected that it makes dumb moves...
Rythmic [7k\]: oumeien is 9p?!?!?
Rythmic [7k\]: who is it?
Flight [1k\]: yes
Flight [1k\]: O-Meien
jumpdragon: ....
Flight [1k\]: lol
Bobsyth [5k\]: its O  Meien...
Bobsyth [5k\]: lol
Rythmic [7k\]: oooooh
donutt [20k\]: oh man. rough
mcw85 [7k\]: Are hikaru names better than naruto names?
krasno: because monte carlo simulations do not necessarily check every move, they try a bunch of random ones, and play through games
iggypoof [21k\]: oooo meien
eS0rven [1k\]: o meien well known ?*
mcw85 [7k\]: Yes...
Flight [1k\]: Yes
Kyuss [1k\]: kind of
dimitar [1k\]: YES
Flight [1k\]: very well known
SunnyD [2d\]: not Oh Man, it's O Meien
benjiboy87 [25k\]: mcw85 - um... lol?
Bobsyth [5k\]: Very
LionelLee [7k\]: how sure are we that meien is playing 100% of the moves
AudreyJane [9k\]: krasno, that's rt, it's like sampling theory tho
]
;W[fa]C[AudreyJane [9k\]: if it's checking enough, it shouldnt do really dumb things too often
LionelLee [7k\]: what if he suddenly needs to take a pee and ask some1 to help him play a few moves?
Flight [1k\]: why wouldn't he lionel
]
;B[la]C[Archaic [2d\]: o meien might be using a bot of his own to calculate tight positions
LionelLee [7k\]: just a hypothesis
mcw85 [7k\]: O Meien is taking a nap.
LionelLee [7k\]: maybe
Archaic [2d\]: the o meien bot
benjiboy87 [25k\]: lol
]
;W[ok]
;B[oh]C[mcw85 [7k\]: The two bot games I've seen lately have been so poor.
Solid30k [2k\]: W = Human Bot vs B =computer bot
]
;W[ol]C[benjiboy87 [25k\]: lol
Archaic [2d\]: lol
]
;B[om]C[Flight [1k\]: r8?
Kyuss [1k\]: too bad, it lost already
cdocdo [6k\]: 攻め合いの事を考えて、ですよね？＞F19
eS0rven [1k\]: t12 quite big
Aloriless [6k\]: MoGo: 52% (-6)
Kyuss [1k\]: 7 liberties vs 4...
Archaic [2d\]: the bot has lost this game
benjiboy87 [25k\]: oo yeah, T12 
SunnyD [2d\]: what is the second number?
Estrella [5k\]: b will likely resign when it gets to ~25?
Rythmic [7k\]: b13 big soon no?
SunnyD [2d\]: -6?
Flight [1k\]: change
Solid30k [2k\]: time to b12
LionelLee [7k\]: 攻め合いではない
]
;W[bh]C[Solid30k [2k\]: hehe
kaorihi [2d\]: コウがついてると面倒ってことですか
benjiboy87 [25k\]: percentage dropping
Archaic [2d\]: the bot thought way ahead and realized it already lost a long time ago you can tell exactly when by when it started playing the first dumb move
Flight [1k\]: Mogo still thinks black has a 52% chance?
Rythmic [7k\]: b12? not b13?
Aloriless [6k\]: if its close game, zen doesn't resign
TetsuoKaga [8k\]: How much it went down by in percentages
Rythmic [7k\]: oh i see
]
;B[bi]C[cdocdo [6k\]: そう、たぶんコウを嫌がったのかと
benjiboy87 [25k\]: the percent has been dropping all game
mcw85 [7k\]: Mogo is biased.
jumpdragon: ?
Aloriless [6k\]: Flight: against pro this is same as almost surely lost game
]
;W[bg]C[LionelLee [7k\]: k１９の気がたくさんそうです
rinset [1d\]: B11まで行く手があったよーな？
Flight [1k\]: lol it'd be funny if black tenukis
]
;B[ci]C[Solid30k [2k\]: c11 needed
TetsuoKaga [8k\]: Why not C13 instead?
lastmonk [6k\]: ah SE gave up on its brother
senbengo [5k\]: k6
Flight [1k\]: c11 more solid
LionelLee [7k\]: SE speaks the truth
Kyuss [1k\]: c9 big ko
Solid30k [2k\]: l9
Flight [1k\]: and because c13 would get captured
rinkasei [2k\]: 黒４手白はそれよりあるでしょう
Flight [1k\]: lol
AmerBeton [8k\]: b9
goIngo [-\]: when MoGO gave 52 % for Black, MFoG did too
benjiboy87 [25k\]: T12
Aloriless [6k\]: I would not trust SE, rules are Chinese
mcw85 [7k\]: Malignant.
kaorihi [2d\]: h12 はj12 でダメだし
]
;W[pl]C[rotoryu [6k\]: ついに形勢君逆転
]
;B[ql]C[Flight [1k\]: meh this isn't even fun to watch any more
Rythmic [7k\]: and what does OmFG say?
DuskEagle [9k\]: chinese means variation of ~1 point no?
zzz [2k\]: h12 
Flight [1k\]: t12 already
LionelLee [7k\]: the bot is too weak i guess?
just9x9 [-\]: lol ryth
lyn3k [3k\]: why does whit =e not T12?
goIngo [-\]: MFoG gave 48 % for White
benjiboy87 [25k\]: bot is 1d, no?
lolis [6k\]: h12 h11 g13 j12 
Aloriless [6k\]: DuskEagle: its not that, its because it doesn't handle chinese rules correctly
mcw85 [7k\]: SE is not designed to work (at all) for Chinese rules, methinks.
Flight [1k\]: h12 doesn't work
Solid30k [2k\]: w t12
just9x9 [-\]: mfog says omfg :))
]
;W[al]C[Nyanjilla [-\]: mind your language, please
Rythmic [7k\]: =)
DuskEagle [9k\]: oh ok
goIngo [-\]: what is omfg?
]
;B[pm]C[just9x9 [-\]: sry
Rythmic [7k\]: oops
mcw85 [7k\]: GoIngo, forget it.
benjiboy87 [25k\]: an obsenity
Gazpacho [2d\]: oh my f****** god :x
lastmonk [6k\]: 0.o
mcw85 [7k\]: Obscenity*
LionelLee [7k\]: ...
donutt [20k\]: eh
goIngo [-\]: bad word
benjiboy87 [25k\]: sorry
donutt [20k\]: i think omfg is like saying crap
mcw85 [7k\]: Bye, Gaz.
]
;W[sh]C[benjiboy87 [25k\]: my spelling is the garbage
Gazpacho [2d\]: I was just explaining 
ThiGar [7k\]: computers are more confortable with chinese rules. I wonder why they are easier to handle.
Flight [1k\]: it amazes me that this is the only time nyanjilla has stepped in and said something
isoppu [7k\]: 上辺生きてて、攻めてるつもりなのかな？
]
;B[pi]C[blier [1k\]: @duskeagle: if there's seki, it can be more than 1 pt difference
benjiboy87 [25k\]: ah, w played t12 while I wasn't looking
DuskEagle [9k\]: yes, but here, there's no seki
blier [1k\]: true
DuskEagle [9k\]: so i thought it would be the same
blier [1k\]: just in general
LionelLee [7k\]: white counting libs now?
rotoryu [6k\]: こういう盤面、K7あたりは何目なんでしょうか？
DuskEagle [9k\]: i know
SunnyD [2d\]: can we do a post game interview with 9p?
]
;W[bk]C[Solid30k [2k\]: one more tenuki for w
goIngo [-\]: can black kill white group?
Flight [1k\]: probably not
Flight [1k\]: no
akahoshi: それはない＞上辺
dame6togo: not at all
]
;B[ko]C[benjiboy87 [25k\]: which group?
Flight [1k\]: golngo he cannot
just9x9 [-\]: it seems that the way to win the bottie was mainly to exploit shape defects?
Aloriless [6k\]: MoGo: 50% (-2)
blier [1k\]: mc bots on kgs have won many games by killing groups, mostly around 50 moves after a serious of bot tesujis like h2 when humans lose consciousness out of sheer boredom
Flight [1k\]: lol Mogo still says 50%
Flight [1k\]: that's funny
]
;W[dl]C[AmerBeton [8k\]: it's so over
]
;B[dk]C[Flight [1k\]: it was over a long time ago
Rythmic [7k\]: owned right there
mcw85 [7k\]: This game insults O meien.
Silvan [9k\]: bot tesujis?
Solid30k [2k\]: dude
kaorihi [2d\]: 怪しくなってきた
Flight [1k\]: e7
dame6togo: E7
Solid30k [2k\]: e7 dude
rinkasei [2k\]: 自分が増えて相手が減るから辺の方が大きいと言われてる
]
;W[em]C[goIngo [-\]: MFoG now 46 % for Black
karasu [2d\]: w +25?
just9x9 [-\]: well maybe there is a 50% chance to misplay the semeai at top)
]
;B[ei]C[blier [1k\]: h2 is botsuji :)
Flight [1k\]: probably around 40
Flight [1k\]: lol
senbengo [5k\]: e9
benjiboy87 [25k\]: Finish Him!
tenka13d [5d\]: オワ
joykafka [2d\]: will become 100
Solid30k [2k\]: e9 dead
lastmonk [6k\]: 50% w's connection will drop and b self declare victory
ftroiset [2d\]: the semeai problem is still not solved : they believe in seki
rinset [1d\]: 左辺の黒死んだりして
cdocdo [6k\]: さすがにもう終わりですよね
]
;W[jm]C[kaorihi [2d\]: 出入りがすごいね
isoppu [7k\]: あまり攻めると泣いちゃうから、指導碁にしてあげちて！
Flight [1k\]: actually 30 - 35 ish more likely
Rythmic [7k\]: lol b so owned!
Aloriless [6k\]: MoGo: 46% (-4)
rotoryu [6k\]: なるほど、後手二目よりは大きい程度でしょうかね
miksu [5k\]: comp doesn't know how to resign
benjiboy87 [25k\]: w wins
mcw85 [7k\]: Someone try to reason with the bot to resign...
]
;B[jn]C[Flight [1k\]: lol
Flight [1k\]: a little less now
Flight [1k\]: so 40
LionelLee [7k\]: one good thing about bots
]
;W[im]C[benjiboy87 [25k\]: bot still thinks w might make mistake
LionelLee [7k\]: they finish any games and never quits
lastmonk [6k\]: perserverance?
cdocdo [6k\]: Zenは、投了しないモードなんですかね・・・？
just9x9 [-\]: how can they believe in seki with no shared lib?
]
;B[hm]C[Estrella [5k\]: Estrella: please resign, you're embarrassing yourself Zen19: Sorry, I am a computer program. I cannot talk.
ftroiset [2d\]: because they dont understand semeais atq all
Estrella [5k\]: =(
ftroiset [2d\]: to their horizon, no capture, so seki
lastmonk [6k\]: what will w do hmmm
blier [1k\]: can it actually be seki?
]
;W[in]C[xDragon [15k\]: can robots embarass themselves?
senbengo [5k\]: bot is angry ^^
Silvan [9k\]: where did zen19 come from?
fishtard [12k\]: I think Zen is a pretty cool bot. It kills it's stones and doesn't afraid of anything.
joykafka [2d\]: Request Rejected
kaorihi [2d\]: 結構投げっぷりのいいボットだと思ったけど
donutt [20k\]: hahaha
]
;B[kc]C[Nyanjilla [-\]: can't be seki--no mutual liberties
cdocdo [6k\]: そうですよね
Solid30k [2k\]: Zen is coming from Linux-land
mcw85 [7k\]: Fishtard lives up to his name.
donutt [20k\]: that's what you think chief
benjiboy87 [25k\]: b secures one point
benjiboy87 [25k\]: lol
blier [1k\]: i don't think it can be seki either
shifuxue [-\]: better kill the group up there
just9x9 [-\]: well zen19 is strong, he is easily 2d on kgs i think?
Flight [1k\]: plus even if they did have mutual liberties
]
;W[fb]C[Flight [1k\]: white has no eyes
blier [1k\]: even if white passed often enough
Flight [1k\]: so it's either white kills black or black kills white
]
;B[ro]C[karasu [2d\]: 9*9 after this game?
blier [1k\]: cause white has no eyes
cdocdo [6k\]: 多分、上辺がまだ攻め合い成り立つと思ってるのかも・・・
donutt [20k\]: 9*9 vs zen?
Nyanjilla [-\]: no-eyes can beat one eye sometimes
iggypoof [21k\]: kill or be killed
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;W[kp]C[benjiboy87 [25k\]: I think so
blier [1k\]: yes
akahoshi: 最初はよかったんだけどなぁ・・・
Flight [1k\]: yeah with enough liberties
Flight [1k\]: as is the case here
Flight [1k\]: wow
DuskEagle [9k\]: yay!
lastmonk [6k\]: 0.0
blier [1k\]: but one eye vs no eye hardly can be seki 
Flight [1k\]: it resigned
senbengo [5k\]: lol
benjiboy87 [25k\]: ifnally
AmerBeton [8k\]: lol
lastmonk [6k\]: wow
igoskii: gg
isoppu [7k\]: ありゃ
miksu [5k\]: best move
Solid30k [2k\]: Smart zen!
kaorihi [2d\]: gg
just9x9 [-\]: thx very much to both
mcw85 [7k\]: Praise the lord.
iggypoof [21k\]: i pressed okay~!!
rinkasei [2k\]: お疲れ様でした
joykafka [2d\]: Computer Intruded
DuskEagle [9k\]: best move of the game!
noripun [4k\]: お疲れ様でした
akahoshi: 先生オメデトウ!!
Flight [1k\]: Good Game to both!
Silvan [9k\]: see, zen19 makes good moves
mcw85 [7k\]: Stupid computer insults O Meien.
lastmonk [6k\]: passes the turner test
Rythmic [7k\]: very nice demo
asdfgh2 [4k\]: うわああ
Estrella [5k\]: rethought my advice
kanaria [1d\]: おつかれさまでした
benjiboy87 [25k\]: 9*9 now
teston: otsukare
akahoshi: お疲れ様でした
silvereye [6k?\]: マンモス強P
isoppu [7k\]: 先生すばらしかったです！
bloodysnow [5k\]: お疲れ様でした～
cdocdo [6k\]: 先生おめでとうございます
Hikaru13 [23k?\]: good game
NoL3 [6k\]: お疲れ様でした
ghbn: お疲れ様でした
kaorihi [2d\]: 面白かったです
tenka13d [5d\]: お疲れ様でした
asahi1031 [1d\]: gg
donutt [20k\]: stupid computer
Flight [1k\]: Japanese stuff too!
srock [3d\]: お疲れ様でした
cdocdo [6k\]: 鮮やかでした
from2ch [7k\]: お疲れ様です
dahlia [1k\]: さすが
Nyanjilla [-\]: お疲れ様でした
kuronabi [7k\]: 先生すごいっす
asdfgh2 [4k\]: おめでとう
torahey [?\]: さすが先生です！
Flight [1k\]: ありゃ
lastmonk [6k\]: by far the best advance in go bots= ability to resign
goIngo [-\]: nice to watch
haruto [3d\]: お疲れ様でした
cdocdo [6k\]: ７子をものともせず・・・・
Flight [1k\]: copy paste ftw
joykafka [2d\]: 辛苦了
kio [6k\]: お疲れ様でした
asdfgh2 [4k\]: というかさすが
LionelLee [7k\]: お疲れ様でした
mcw85 [7k\]: Haha, lastmonk.
just9x9 [-\]: thx to mr o
goIngo [-\]: MFoG still gave 33 % for Black in the end
Flight [1k\]: wow it's funny how all the japanese people just flooded
benjiboy87 [25k\]: how long till Zen9 match?
Hikaru13 [23k?\]: i was thinking the same thing
torahey [?\]: ｚｅｎには9路を期待！
Rythmic [7k\]: we flooded too
dimitar [1k\]: they're congratulating o meien sensei
Flight [1k\]: yeah but they kept quiet until the end
Hikaru13 [23k?\]: we're english like that!
isoppu [7k\]: 保存するにはどうすれば？
WoolyMaCha [5k\]: Great play , Oumeien.
cdocdo [6k\]: ９路板は、いい勝負になるかもしれませんね
Flight [1k\]: his name is O Meien
Rythmic [7k\]: hope there is a comment
miksu [5k\]: O Meien should've played some kgs high dans instead
Flight [1k\]: not Oumeien
Nyanjilla [-\]: kibitzers could learn...
donutt [20k\]: congrats on your sweet victory
benjiboy87 [25k\]: lol maybe better match then
cdocdo [6k\]: オプション→ローカルディスクに保存、で保存できます
tenka13d [5d\]: オプション→ローカルディスクに保存
Aloriless [6k\]: MoGo: 29% (-17)
Flight [1k\]: @Nyanjilla - one can only hope, right?
torahey [?\]: 期待の一番、見せていただきありがとうございましたm(_ _)m
benjiboy87 [25k\]: no wonder b resigned
Rythmic [7k\]: se b +40
benjiboy87 [25k\]: under one third, not worth odds
Nyanjilla [-\]: *looks out window*  *doesn't see pig flay by*
Rythmic [7k\]: w+40*
just9x9 [-\]: i learned a lot from this game, thx to both players
Aloriless [6k\]: so I guess with longer thinking time and super computer and never version MoGo might have resigned (20% is its treshold for resign)
Nyanjilla [-\]: ...fly
isoppu [7k\]: で、再生するときはなんとかなりますよね？
sumasa: プロは恐ろしい
Flight [1k\]: Don't worry, someday we will invent flying pigs
Rythmic [7k\]: you just thanked a comp just9x9
Flight [1k\]: and then everyone will have to find a new expression
cdocdo [6k\]: はい
kuronabi [7k\]: 9路盤いつから？
benjiboy87 [25k\]: lol
Estrella [5k\]: Aloriless how does the bot determine how long to take for a given move?
benjiboy87 [25k\]: pigs fly, just not with wings
just9x9 [-\]: i know, but there is a developer behind who merits our attention
dimitar [1k\]: When does the 9x9 start?
benjiboy87 [25k\]: ever heard of cargo planes?
cdocdo [6k\]: ９路盤は、いい勝負になるといいなあ
Rythmic [7k\]: ok
torahey [?\]: 19路で2局目ありですか？
silvereye [6k?\]: 卓立ってるね
rinset [1d\]: お疲れ様でした＞メイエンさん
srock [3d\]: 少し休憩してからかな？
benjiboy87 [25k\]: whats the H7 mean on listing?
Aloriless [6k\]: Estrella: whoever operates sets it
benjiboy87 [25k\]: oh nevermind
benjiboy87 [25k\]: handi
rinkasei [2k\]: ここ見てもらえてるんだろうか？
torahey [?\]: 対局を公開していただいたことに感謝です(^^)/
rinset [1d\]: 「いや～軽い軽い」とかって王様の自慢が聞きたいなぁ
cdocdo [6k\]: そうですね
oumeien [-\]: 3分ほど休憩の後、9路を行います
cdocdo [6k\]: おおおおおお
Estrella [5k\]: Is it a set parameter? as in read moves for 30 seconds, then play the best one found in that time? Or set by the depth of computation, say play the best move after 10,000,000 reads or something like that?
rinkasei [2k\]: おおおおお
silvereye [6k?\]: おおおおお
cdocdo [6k\]: 先生！！！
isoppu [7k\]: ooo!!
torahey [?\]: おおお！
akahoshi: おおおおおお
dimitar [1k\]: おお
kuronabi [7k\]: うはっｗ
srock [3d\]: おお！
rinset [1d\]: うろたえるな、みんな
dimitar [1k\]: 9x9 is in 3 minutes
silvereye [6k?\]: 先生の本買ってくる！
just9x9 [-\]: thx dimitar
Suola [7k\]: monte carlo algrotithm does not make readings
cdocdo [6k\]: アワアワ・・・・
akahoshi: 凄い!!!見てくれてたんだ!!
rinset [1d\]: 王様はサービス精神ありますよ、プロだもん
Suola [7k\]: just tree search
cdocdo [6k\]: せせせせせ、先生・・・！！
srock [3d\]: 俺もゾーンプレス勝ってこよう
Suola [7k\]: well, perhaps thats kind of reading..
Estrella [5k\]: I'm not terribly attuned to computer science so I don't exactly know what you're talking about... But is time fixed or is it processing that's fixed?
rinset [1d\]: 「我間違える、ゆえに我あり」もオモロいよ
rinset [1d\]: 「読みの地平線」もグッド
rinkasei [2k\]: メイエン事件簿を１から読み直すぜ
benjiboy87 [25k\]: when is 9*9 game?
cdocdo [6k\]: 3 minutes later
Nyanjilla [-\]: in a couple of minutes
benjiboy87 [25k\]: oh ok
goIngo [-\]: I think this was calibration game only
Nyanjilla [-\]: oumeien is taking a short break
benjiboy87 [25k\]: ah
goIngo [-\]: Zen author had announced Zen would use 10 sec per move
cdocdo [6k\]: 10sec..... mmmmm a little short
rinkasei [2k\]: ９路でだとハンデどれくらいにするんだろう
goIngo [-\]: but in the game it played much faster
cdocdo [6k\]: どうなんですかね
tenka13d [5d\]: 先が互いでしょう
tenka13d [5d\]: か
silvereye [6k?\]: 先？
rinset [1d\]: 逆コミかなぁ
cdocdo [6k\]: ９路だと、Zenは７ｄ～９ｄくらいになるそうです
torahey [?\]: zenの9路はかなり強いとの実感
rinset [1d\]: うへ
cdocdo [6k\]: 互い先くらいかもですね
torahey [?\]: なので好勝負を期待します(^o^)
cdocdo [6k\]: 楽しみ～～～～
Aloriless [6k\]: GNU Go gives W+35.5 (after one blunder fix)
tenka13d [5d\]: 始まった
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