(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Chinese]SZ[19]HA[6]KM[0.50]TM[2700]OT[5x10 byo-yomi]
PW[nutngo2]PB[pachi2]BR[3d]DT[2011-04-14]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[pachi2 [3d\]: GTP Engine for pachi2 (black): Pachi Distributed Engine version 7.99 (Shuhaku-devel): I'm playing the distributed engine. When I'm losing, I will resign, if I think I win, I play until you pass. Anyone can send me 'winrate' in private chat to get my assessment of the position.
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[dp]BL[2694.373]
;B[pd]BL[2694.138]
;B[pp]BL[2693.931]
;B[dd]BL[2693.691]
;B[dj]BL[2693.48]
;B[pj]BL[2693.199]
;W[nq]WL[2699.075]
;B[mp]BL[2655.345]
;W[np]WL[2690.643]
;B[no]BL[2635.471]
;W[mo]WL[2688.04]
;B[mn]BL[2613.195]
;W[lo]WL[2683.667]C[peepo: cut and extend?
]
;B[ln]BL[2593.332]C[peepo: bot likes atari...
]
;W[ko]WL[2680.28]
;B[kn]BL[2573.437]
;W[jo]WL[2676.339]
;B[jn]BL[2553.302]
;W[io]WL[2673.646]
;B[in]BL[2521.62]
;W[ho]WL[2667.372]
;B[hn]BL[2484.398]
;W[go]WL[2664.869]
;B[mq]BL[2449.326]
;W[oo]WL[2660.871]C[ajahuang [6d\]: n3 is bad
]
;B[nn]BL[2429.833]
;W[op]WL[2658.111]C[Royksopp [4d\]: is one of pachi's programmer around ? I'm curious to know what black read with N2
]
;B[kq]BL[2410.292]C[Royksopp [4d\]: i mean, n3
]
;W[jr]WL[2651.879]C[gogonuts [5d\]: n3 is a joke
]
;B[nr]BL[2389.114]
;W[or]WL[2648.539]C[qQQp [-\]: n3 is like chaning its mind
gogonuts [5d\]: how can the playouts come up with n3, i wonder
jlg [-\]: I am one of the pachi programmers, but for this game most logs are disabled for performance, so not much information apart from win ratio
jlg [-\]: but we can reproduce the situation later
]
;B[pq]BL[2352.905]C[Royksopp [4d\]: perhaps it just wants a flawless wall starting at p6, i wonder, can't see any other trick
ajahuang [6d\]: ya, with same position and seeds
]
;W[po]WL[2636.193]
;B[qo]BL[2333.225]
;W[om]WL[2633.54]C[gogonuts [5d\]: im not complaining about the pushes on the 6th line, just about n3
Royksopp [4d\]: q3 at p6 would have made n3 look a bit better
]
;B[jq]BL[2297.921]
;W[ir]WL[2630.121]
;B[pm]BL[2263.292]
;W[on]WL[2627.425]C[gogonuts [5d\]: q7 is good
]
;B[ol]BL[2240.526]C[ajahuang [6d\]: it is chasing this group
gogonuts [5d\]: but its not easy to salvage the situation
]
;W[nm]WL[2613.16]C[jlg [-\]: yes it doesn't look good
gogonuts [5d\]: b cannot contain in the center and get r6
]
;B[nl]BL[2205.85]
;W[mm]WL[2610.048]C[Royksopp [4d\]: was it the same pro that was beaten with handi 7, or is he someone else ?
gogonuts [5d\]: still, q7 offers some hope
]
;B[ml]BL[2171.135]
;W[lm]WL[2607.575]C[ajahuang [6d\]: too bad
qQQp [-\]: rengo of both pros
]
;B[ll]BL[2136.491]
;W[km]WL[2604.773]
;B[kl]BL[2102.273]
;W[jm]WL[2601.777]C[Royksopp [4d\]: a wall on 6 line isn't enough, he prefers the 8th :p
Royksopp [4d\]: 6th*
]
;B[il]BL[2069.118]
;W[im]WL[2598.654]C[gogonuts [5d\]: oh no
]
;B[hm]BL[2050.668]C[gogonuts [5d\]: too much hanky panky
]
;W[hl]WL[2595.084]
;B[gl]BL[2032.225]
;W[hk]WL[2591.848]C[gogonuts [5d\]: now w will break out with a vengeance
qQQp [-\]: you need nerves of steel not to play n2 .-)
]
;B[fn]BL[2013.72]
;W[jl]WL[2585.451]
;B[gk]BL[1980.603]
;W[ik]WL[2580.091]C[ajahuang [6d\]: still ahead
gogonuts [5d\]: thats true :-)
]
;B[jk]BL[1947.342]C[gogonuts [5d\]: lol
gogonuts [5d\]: what a way to secure the right side :-)
Royksopp [4d\]: black studied the-stealing tesuji and is showing off :p
Royksopp [4d\]: eye-stealing
]
;W[jj]WL[2535.34]C[Liisa [1d\]: K9 is so monte carlo move. 
]
;B[iq]BL[1916.121]
;W[hq]WL[2531.708]
;B[kk]BL[1887.072]
;W[qn]WL[2522.616]
;B[gq]BL[1854.768]
;W[hr]WL[2512.449]C[gogonuts [5d\]: k9 wanted to keep w from playing r6, but w played it anyways :-)
]
;B[hp]BL[1801.79]
;W[gp]WL[2505.07]C[gogonuts [5d\]: f3
antiriad [2d\]: >_>
]
;B[mr]BL[1751.874]
;W[oq]WL[2501.67]C[ajahuang [6d\]: oh
ajahuang [6d\]: n2 is very bad
]
;B[pr]BL[1725.764]
;W[os]WL[2492.886]C[simdimdim [9k\]: go go w
antiriad [2d\]: because it loses a lib?
ajahuang [6d\]: it lost Q6
ajahuang [6d\]: P3 was an atari after Q6
]
;B[fq]BL[1681.722]C[gogonuts [5d\]: but b hoping for a miracle on the bottom
]
;W[ip]WL[2483.468]
;B[eo]BL[1649.932]C[qQQp [-\]: now its clear. Which helps B's evaluation
gogonuts [5d\]: a move in this area was needed
jlg [-\]: unfortunately it is clear for humans not for bots
]
;W[pg]WL[2431.509]C[qQQp [-\]: 100% clear for humans 85% for bots
jlg [-\]: semeais like this are hard for bots
wotan123 [2d\]: not only for bots
simdimdim [9k\]: :D
]
;B[ro]BL[1607.561]
;W[qm]WL[2427.884]
;B[gj]BL[1563.386]C[simdimdim [9k\]: pachi thinks a lot..
]
;W[nc]WL[2415.67]
;B[pl]BL[1521.595]
;W[pn]WL[2412.487]
;B[kr]BL[1484.863]C[qQQp [-\]: well. it wasn't
]
;W[gr]WL[2396.069]C[qQQp [-\]: I B using dynamic komi?
]
;B[ii]BL[1445.693]C[jlg [-\]: yes
]
;W[ij]WL[2385.279]C[simdimdim [9k\]: what that?
simdimdim [9k\]: what's*
ajahuang [6d\]: qQQq is a go programmer?
qQQp [-\]: Maybe that makes it too greedy worring about the bottom instead of winning then game elsewhere
]
;B[ki]BL[1406.712]C[jlg [-\]: pachi initially uses a larger komi to play more agressively
jlg [-\]: komi is gradually reduced to real one 0.5
gogonuts [5d\]: bots only play for victory, so in high handicapgames they play badly because every move wins - so an artificial komi is added
]
;W[kj]WL[2361.559]C[pasky [1k?\]: aiee, i missed the beginning T_T
simdimdim [9k\]: i see
qQQp [-\]: Yes. I don't say don't using just not so heavy
pasky [1k?\]: this looks funny
]
;B[lj]BL[1369.014]
;W[ji]WL[2358.318]
;B[kh]BL[1348.661]C[gogonuts [5d\]: pachi is beeing punished for his victory in the last game :-(
]
;W[jh]WL[2352.669]C[ajahuang [6d\]: not a good position for pachi
]
;B[jg]BL[1314.915]C[hiss [-\]: q1 can't kill corner?
gogonuts [5d\]: and the bottom situation will continue to sap pachis attention
]
;W[ih]WL[2347.698]C[jlg [-\]: in previous game chasing the dragon worked. not here :-(
antiriad [2d\]: o16?
]
;B[ig]BL[1284.775]
;W[gh]WL[2340.904]C[ajahuang [6d\]: pachi likes to chase groups
]
;B[gg]BL[1248.953]C[JAQ1303 [4k\]: Hi Cornel
]
;W[fh]WL[2336.922]C[Cornel [7d\]: Hi
gogonuts [5d\]: bot love groups like dogs love bones
]
;B[hh]BL[1230.509]
;W[hi]WL[2334.41]C[gogonuts [5d\]: bots
Cornel [7d\]: I gotta try a match vs pachi to take my revenge :)
]
;B[hg]BL[1212.539]C[ajahuang [6d\]: now you see its weakness, Cornel
]
;W[gi]WL[2331.791]C[Cornel [7d\]: yep
jlg [-\]: Cornel I'd be very glad. I can arrange this just after this game
simdimdim [9k\]: any1 knows how antiriad got the icon infront of his nick?
]
;B[fr]BL[1182.594]C[MaLa [3d\]: mobile client
simdimdim [9k\]: ah\]
simdimdim [9k\]: :D
simdimdim [9k\]: i thought he's on the phone :D
]
;W[js]WL[2298.859]C[hiss [-\]: uses android
hiss [-\]: is pachi open source?
pasky [1k?\]: my local pachi thinks
pasky [1k?\]: [35513\] best 0.692424 komi 0.0 | seq P14  G6  G7  F2 | can P14(0.692)  C5(0.685)  S3(0.684) F13(0.683)  
pasky [1k?\]: hiss: yes
]
;B[md]BL[1150.928]
;W[oe]WL[2293.214]C[simdimdim [9k\]: lol
simdimdim [9k\]: new joseki is being developed :D
ajahuang [6d\]: this fight will decide the game
]
;B[mc]BL[1119.684]C[pasky [1k?\]: it is rather surprising that pachi likes n16 moves that much
pasky [1k?\]: there must be some systematic mistake there
]
;W[nd]WL[2272.604]C[ajahuang [6d\]: Zen also likes it
pasky [1k?\]: my pachi thinks j2 and j3 both have about 50% chance to live, not good
simdimdim [9k\]: :D
antiriad [2d\]: y pachi doesn't play normal pincers?..
hiss [-\]: what hardware should I use to rise pachi to 3d level
]
;B[me]BL[1091.737]C[ajahuang [6d\]: but Zen likes to play joseki now
]
;W[pe]WL[2261.291]C[pasky [1k?\]: hiss: cluster of 32 to 64 20-core computers
jlg [-\]: you only need 64 machines of 20 cores each, antiriad
MaLa [3d\]: normal pincers are for girls and pros only
hiss [-\]: oh cool
jlg [-\]: 64 machines today
pasky [1k?\]: hiss: on regular home computer, pachi is around 1d
]
;B[ql]BL[1062.817]C[MaLa [3d\]: men and bots play N16
hiss [-\]: I see, thanks
pasky [1k?\]: hiss: perhaps a bit less
antiriad [2d\]: I asked sth different ;)
gogonuts [5d\]: how can 1280 cores be so wrong?
]
;W[gc]WL[2237.814]C[pasky [1k?\]: jlg: does pachi have joseki library loaded?
jlg [-\]: yes pasky but somehow it does work well
simdimdim [9k\]: and on intel 980x (6 real cores + hyperthreading)
jlg [-\]: does _not_
]
;B[eg]BL[1035.108]
;W[eh]WL[2229.182]C[pasky [1k?\]: jlg: does that mean it makes pachi weaker or that it is not applied properly?
]
;B[dh]BL[1018.151]C[gogonuts [5d\]: pachi must punish g17 - last chance
]
;W[fg]WL[2223.39]C[jlg [-\]: it likes starting with the shoulder hit at  n4
pasky [1k?\]: simdimdim: that's the kind of computer for 1k-1d strength
]
;B[ff]BL[991.243]C[simdimdim [9k\]: wah ;( 
]
;W[dg]WL[2220.365]
;B[ef]BL[969.952]C[pasky [1k?\]: my pachi w/o dynkomi thinks 0.7 for black
]
;W[di]WL[2217.85]C[pasky [1k?\]: and insists on playing on O1
]
;B[ch]BL[955.819]
;W[ci]WL[2214.859]C[ajahuang [6d\]: it's sente
hiss [-\]: w q1 doesn't kill, but s6 is sente right?
]
;B[ej]BL[936.407]C[gogonuts [5d\]: d10 looks strange to me
ajahuang [6d\]: maybe s2
]
;W[ei]WL[2129.249]
;B[cj]BL[914.106]C[hiss [-\]: I can't read out s2
simdimdim [9k\]: what's the strongest free opensource go bot til moment?
]
;W[bi]WL[2117.225]C[jlg [-\]: you are watching it simdim
gogonuts [5d\]: should be pachi
]
;B[cg]BL[889.7]
;W[db]WL[2111.731]C[simdimdim [9k\]: why does it seems like it's loosing then?
MaLa [3d\]: because its opponent is a pro?
]
;B[qe]BL[866.31]C[MaLa [3d\]: and only 6 hc?
hiss [-\]: is pachi good at 9x9?
gogonuts [5d\]: pro are sometimes hard to beat
]
;W[qd]WL[2105.396]C[MaLa [3d\]: occassionally
MaLa [3d\]: true
]
;B[bj]BL[853.435]C[gogonuts [5d\]: w d18 is very unhelpful for pachi
simdimdim [9k\]: i thought nutngo2 is a bot as well (rofl)
ajahuang [6d\]: current no bot could give pachi 6 stones, sim
ajahuang [6d\]: *currently
]
;W[rl]WL[2031.16]C[simdimdim [9k\]: i see i see :)
]
;B[qc]BL[831.465]C[simdimdim [9k\]: what machine is it running atm ?
]
;W[rd]WL[2027.685]
;B[rk]BL[812.726]C[Liisa [1d\]: looks good for gobot.
]
;W[rr]WL[2000.725]C[hiss [-\]: finally
jlg [-\]: simdim look above
]
;B[rq]BL[800.962]
;W[qp]WL[1988.092]C[gogonuts [5d\]: what a cool move
]
;B[ec]BL[781.158]
;W[eb]WL[1981.89]C[hiss [-\]: wow
ajahuang [6d\]: it is alive
pasky [1k?\]: hiss: yes, pachi is fairly good on 9x9 in general
]
;B[qq]BL[761.104]
;W[ps]WL[1977.22]C[ajahuang [6d\]: oh
]
;B[qs]BL[741.005]
;W[qr]WL[1973.227]C[pasky [1k?\]: oh no
ajahuang [6d\]: R3 was bad
ajahuang [6d\]: should S4
pasky [1k?\]: yes
]
;B[rc]BL[721.309]
;W[re]WL[1967.638]
;B[qf]BL[701.977]C[pasky [1k?\]: .76 for pachi w/o dynamic komi
]
;W[rf]WL[1961.989]C[pasky [1k?\]: [40232\] best 0.762405 komi 0.0 | seq R14 S14 R13 R12 | can R14(0.762) O18(0.759)  J1(0.705)  S1(0.746)  
]
;B[hc]BL[682.984]
;W[hb]WL[1958.513]C[pasky [1k?\]: pachi is misevaluating everything it seems
]
;B[fc]BL[671.825]
;W[fb]WL[1952.692]
;B[gd]BL[660.715]
;W[gb]WL[1950.822]C[hiss [-\]: pro magic
qQQp [-\]: looks so. From this point you don't need to be a pro to win with w
]
;B[pb]BL[641.96]
;W[nb]WL[1931.413]
;B[hs]BL[623.852]
;W[lp]WL[1917.562]
;B[fp]BL[609.242]C[gogonuts [5d\]: but it helps :-)
]
;W[lq]WL[1901.817]C[qQQp [-\]: ;-)
]
;B[lr]BL[598.434]C[simdimdim [9k\]: 64 machines O.o 
Liisa [1d\]: pachi cannot read that :(
]
;W[ns]WL[1874.221]
;B[rn]BL[580.403]
;W[rm]WL[1868.959]C[Liisa [1d\]: and  that
Royksopp [4d\]: trying to damezumari the whole center group
]
;B[od]BL[562.307]C[gogonuts [5d\]: pachi preparing to resign the bot way
Royksopp [4d\]: hmm
]
;W[ob]WL[1862.834]
;B[pc]BL[551.136]
;W[ne]WL[1860.144]
;B[qg]BL[532.964]
;W[qh]WL[1856.427]C[ajahuang [6d\]: but it did really nice job in last game
]
;B[rg]BL[521.687]
;W[rh]WL[1853.718]
;B[sg]BL[520.031]
;W[sh]WL[1850.81]C[gogonuts [5d\]: the memory of that is fading in my head
Royksopp [4d\]: there was one more handi, no ?
]
;B[rs]BL[499.735]
;W[ss]WL[1847.243]C[gogonuts [5d\]: yes, but that wasnt the big difference
]
;B[gs]BL[479.552]C[dsmic [13k?\]: still thinks of 58 winrate, preparing to resign?
]
;W[ic]WL[1827.536]C[gogonuts [5d\]: the pro had a group that a 7 stones weaker opponent could normally never kill - but pachi could
]
;B[ks]BL[459.8]
;W[ms]WL[1823.62]C[gogonuts [5d\]: look at r13 ect
]
;B[jc]BL[439.479]
;W[hd]WL[1819.351]
;B[cc]BL[420.341]
;W[jd]WL[1813.708]C[simdimdim [9k\]: 52%
hiss [-\]: may this situation on lower side was confusing pachi whole game?
]
;B[sd]BL[401.457]C[gogonuts [5d\]: yes it was
]
;W[pf]WL[1810.107]C[ajahuang [6d\]: it's difficult to solve
]
;B[kd]BL[382.971]
;W[kc]WL[1804.821]C[gogonuts [5d\]: positions with unresolved semeais make bots go bonkers
]
;B[jb]BL[366.293]
;W[ke]WL[1801.815]C[pasky [1k?\]: s3 is problematic due to r1 throwin if white does not handle killing correctly
gogonuts [5d\]: at every turn in the tree they try if the semeai works now :-)
jlg [-\]: pachi now knows it has lost (45% and dropping)
]
;B[ie]BL[350.367]C[pasky [1k?\]: so pachi misevaluates s3 too
]
;W[kb]WL[1789.423]
;B[je]BL[332.469]
;W[ld]WL[1785.704]
;B[le]BL[315.407]
;W[kf]WL[1780.035]
;B[mg]BL[298.445]C[pasky [1k?\]: maybe time to resign?
]
;W[kg]WL[1778.29]
;B[nh]BL[281.886]
;W[lh]WL[1770.029]C[gogonuts [5d\]: which one of the 1280 cores would want to take responsibility for that? :-)
]
;B[li]BL[273.27]
;W[lg]WL[1767.151]C[jlg [-\]: pachi will resign soon itself
simdimdim [9k\]: :D
simdimdim [9k\]: 1280 cores O.o
]
;B[bh]BL[256.224]
;W[aj]WL[1760.296]C[pasky [1k?\]: imho not before s3 and s17 is resolved
jlg [-\]: yes
]
;B[hj]BL[239.581]C[gogonuts [5d\]: and the pros wont touch those positions
]
;W[bk]WL[1755.876]C[qQQp [-\]: boo
]
;B[bl]BL[224.786]
;W[ck]WL[1753.003]C[gogonuts [5d\]: and pachi wont play there because it makes the loss obvious
Liisa [1d\]: i wonder if that pro made on purpose that unresolved double semeai?
]
;B[cl]BL[208.664]
;W[dk]WL[1750.392]C[gogonuts [5d\]: 2 pros
jlg [-\]: there are two pros playing rengo
gogonuts [5d\]: human rengo
]
;B[dl]BL[192.207]C[Liisa [1d\]: ah this is already rengo game
ajahuang [6d\]: they play well, just like one person is playing
]
;W[ek]WL[1739.493]
;B[fj]BL[183.756]
;W[el]WL[1738.683]C[hiss [-\]: bots also have pride
gogonuts [5d\]: pachi tried to push w around in the beginning, but it only pushed w though its own positionsa
]
;B[em]BL[167.377]
;W[sq]WL[1720.565]C[qQQp [-\]: perhaps if Pachi had the help of its brother .-)
gogonuts [5d\]: w had enough :-)
]
;B[ah]BL[150.915]C[Liisa [1d\]: also pachi lost several times sente when pushing white around
]
;W[ai]WL[1717.256]
;B[al]BL[134.008]
;W[ak]WL[1714.609]C[gogonuts [5d\]: and w then ducked a couple of times until they had sente again
]
;B[sl]BL[117.322]
;W[sm]WL[1703.138]
;B[mh]BL[100.667]
;W[dm]WL[1700.394]C[gogonuts [5d\]: lol?
]
;B[gn]BL[83.945]C[simdimdim [9k\]: desune?
]
;W[cm]WL[1686.246]
;B[fo]BL[75.727]
;W[ls]WL[1681.938]C[jlg [-\]: thanks for the game!
gogonuts [5d\]: cruel world
pasky [1k?\]: Thanks for the game.
qQQp [-\]: Great game. Congrats to both sides
gogonuts [5d\]: congrats w for making it look easy
simdimdim [9k\]: 1 more?
jlg [-\]: we knew anyway that h6 would be very hard
jlg [-\]: I will now restart pachi. thanks for watching.
])
