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GM[1]FF[4]VW[]AP[Many Faces of Go:11.0]
SZ[9]
HA[0]
ST[0]
PB[nutngo2 (Rengo: Chou, Chun-Hsun and Chou, Ping-Chiang)]
PW[mogotw2 (MoGoTW)]
DT[2011-02-15]
PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
KM[7.5]
TM[1800]
RU[Chinese]
RE[B+R]
BR[9p, 5p]
C[mogotw2 [-\]: GTP Engine for mogotw2 (white): MoGo version MoGo \
version 4.86.Soissons: I'll resign if you win and playing until \
you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often means \
that the status of some stones are not clear enough for me (I \
want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify them. \
Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure I should \
resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare cases)]
CA[UTF-8];B[fe]BL[1792.394];W[dd]WL[1799.729];B[df]BL[1782.417];W[fc]WL[1660.916];B[cd]
C[Meepy [-\]: this looks way good for b
ajahuang [6d\]: maybe black is human]
BL[1755.686];W[cc]WL[1523.964];B[ce]
C[guxxan [6d\]: hmm, why is it good for black?]
BL[1746.207];W[fg]WL[1398.503]
;B[gc]BL[1614.876];W[gb]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: hard for black
guxxan [6d\]: yeah]
WL[1283.545];B[eh]
C[mmueller [?\]: Hi. Who is black?]
BL[1538.086];W[gd]WL[1178.105];B[ge]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: hi Professor, let me ask
guxxan [6d\]: pro 9p
mmueller [?\]: Mr Chou?]
BL[1531.65];W[eg]
C[mingo [?\]: yes
mingo [?\]: 9P
ajahuang [6d\]: ok thanks
mingo [?\]: :)
mmueller [?\]: fuego on my laptop likes Black, 55%
guxxan [6d\]: the result will be 0.5 point]
WL[1081.202];B[dh]BL[1269.386];W[hg]WL[992.252];B[hf]BL[1232.695];W[dg]WL[911.022]
;B[cg]BL[1222.357];W[ch]WL[836.526];B[bh]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: semeai
ajahuang [6d\]: E4 is the only chance]
BL[1217.972];W[ci]
C[mmueller [?\]: yes but top is thin
ajahuang [6d\]: yes]
WL[768.199];B[bi]BL[1201.195];W[cf]
C[mmueller [?\]: after cut, Fuego likes E7, then H7 as moves for \
black]
WL[705.469];B[bf]
C[mmueller [?\]: Fuego also likes C4, a kind of horizon/desperation \
effect]
BL[1195.801];W[ef]WL[648.175];B[ee]
C[mmueller [?\]: is Erica "watching"?]
BL[1189.528];W[de]WL[595.427]
;B[cf]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: Yes, I am running Erica with this position
mmueller [?\]: Fuego says 22% for W]
BL[1185.699];W[gf]WL[547.282];B[hd]BL[1132.619];W[fh]WL[503.163];B[dc]BL[1128.096];W[db]WL[462.63];B[ed]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: Erica misread
ajahuang [6d\]: Erica thinks 55% for Black
mmueller [?\]: A very strong game by Mr Chou
ajahuang [6d\]: yes indeed
mmueller [?\]: I have never seen this opening
mmueller [?\]: In Fuego's book, after F5 white plays D5 and black \
has no move with god winning percentage
mmueller [?\]: god = good
ajahuang [6d\]: Fuego scores better
ajahuang [6d\]: Erica has 42% for White
ajahuang [6d\]: 200,000 playouts
mmueller [?\]: still 42% here?
ajahuang [6d\]: no
ajahuang [6d\]: I mean E4
ajahuang [6d\]: so Erica misread the semeai
mmueller [?\]: semeai with Fuego is just a matter of luck
mmueller [?\]: I have some very simple ones that it gets wrong
ajahuang [6d\]: Fuego is getting stronger and stronger
ajahuang [6d\]: :)
mmueller [?\]: not really :(
mmueller [?\]: but I have a faster computer now :)
ajahuang [6d\]: how fast?
mmueller [?\]: 12 core, 24 threads, recent intel
ajahuang [6d\]: oh
ajahuang [6d\]: that's really fast
mmueller [?\]: It still lost one game against AmigoGtp on CGOS \
:)
ajahuang [6d\]: I think it was a bug?
mmueller [?\]: yes
ajahuang [6d\]: Fuego usually passes early
mmueller [?\]: I switched off early pass now
mmueller [?\]: It makes some games too long
ajahuang [6d\]: yes, then Fuego is very strong
ajahuang [6d\]: second to Zen
mmueller [?\]: On equal hardware, there are so many strong programs
ajahuang [6d\]: ya indeed
ajahuang [6d\]: if Fuego is improving the playouts?
ajahuang [6d\]: that will help Fuego a lot
mmueller [?\]: I hope so. But hard to improve
ajahuang [6d\]: need a lot of work...
ajahuang [6d\]: now the code of playout in Erica, is over 5000 \
lines...
ajahuang [6d\]: but still can't beat Fuego @_@
mmueller [?\]: what are your test results?
ajahuang [6d\]: I don't test on 9x9 now
ajahuang [6d\]: so I don't really know its strength
ajahuang [6d\]: but in COGS, my feeling is Fuego is stronger
ajahuang [6d\]: Fuego is more accurate in many life-and-death \
situation
mmueller [?\]: hmm. I guess I have a more negative view since \
I mainly look at games that Fuego loses
mmueller [?\]: so it seems weak to me
ajahuang [6d\]: professor, well you are a strong Go player
ajahuang [6d\]: so it's normal it seems weak :)
mmueller [?\]: It is hard to understand - some day it beats professionals, \
some day it makes beginners mistakes
ajahuang [6d\]: a very important part is seki
ajahuang [6d\]: I wonder if Fuego is solving it
mmueller [?\]: yes, seki is completely broken right now. some \
bug
ajahuang [6d\]: oh I see
mmueller [?\]: It plays selfatari moves that are not onthe list \
of playout moves. No idea why
ajahuang [6d\]: it's very critical
ajahuang [6d\]: a main weakness of Fuego
mmueller [?\]: sigh.]
BL[1122.556])
