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GM[1]FF[4]VW[]AP[Many Faces of Go version 12.001]
SZ[9]
HA[0]
ST[0]
PB[nutngo]
PW[Mogo]
DT[2009-02-11]
PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
KM[7.5]
TM[3000]
RU[Chinese]
RE[B+Resign]
C[Mogo [-\]: GTP Engine for Mogo (white): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll \
resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you \
passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some \
stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will \
agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have \
not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play \
until the end :'( (very rare cases)]
CA[UTF-8];B[ee]BL[2989.463];W[ec]WL[2999.787];B[gd]BL[2908.865];W[dg]WL[2999.583];B[ce]BL[2809.981];W[fg]WL[2999.37];B[ff]BL[2650.909];W[cc]WL[2999.133]
;B[gg]BL[2640.411];W[eg]
C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: :-o
nachodude [2d?\]: :0
eq [1k\]: indeed
miredo [4k\]: :D yaaay game
yslcmn [2k\]: Mogo wins
royalty [3d\]: mogo hasn't used much of his time]
WL[2998.922];B[gh]
C[ogur2 [2k\]: comp win  ,100$ !
matjet [2k\]: what sort of computer is this mogo running on?
eoe [11k\]: table lookup doesn't take much time :)
eoe [11k\]: i was wondering the same, matjet
Batavia [3k?\]: well it's just 9x9, the 19x19 is far more intresting
Stange [2k\]: W lost already
funfun [3d\]: aldi pc
maszrum [-\]: 640 cores
maszrum [-\]: as far as I remember
vineslime [-\]: yup
takemyeye [2k\]: 7.5 komi!!
eoe [11k\]: that's a lot of cores
vineslime [-\]: yup
Meepy [-\]: aldi makes pc's?  that'd be awesome :D
royalty [3d\]: almost twice as many as i have
Tsu123 [12k\]: dammt..
Yxven [1k\]: is 640 cores what mogo had when he played 19x19 against \
the other pro?
Tsu123 [12k\]: its programmed to use all of its time isnt it..
takemyeye [2k\]: how strong is it 19x19?
funfun [3d\]: 1k i think
vineslime [-\]:         i don now                
Yxven [1k\]: the pro said he was playing like a 5 dan
hangara [3d\]: like 3d
vineslime [-\]: im not sure
royalty [3d\]: you think you would lose to mogo in even game, \
hangara?
calbonga [13k\]: I never heard of a dan lvl comp
eniraf [4k\]: no, i don't think
kidgrizzly [9k?\]: he said there were certain 5d moves it made
vineslime [-\]: looks like 8k
Sakae [-\]: wtf..
calbonga [13k\]: usually the max is 3kyu
calbonga [13k\]: for comps
vineslime [-\]: :)
Javaness [-\]: it is 5d on 9x9
Sakae [-\]: 5d what?
Sakae [-\]: aga? japanese?
Javaness [-\]: Euro
ogur2 [2k\]: programers used neuron network ?
eniraf [4k\]: a 8p lost a handicap 9 game against MoGoa 
vineslime [-\]: wow
royalty [3d\]: monte carlo
Batavia [3k?\]: no neural net, monty carlo search
vineslime [-\]: really
ogur2 [2k\]: so pro win :D
Dreamlight [17k\]: That's scary.
matjet [2k\]: the 8p used about 1/4 of the time though
Javaness [-\]: Black has good feeling
hangara [3d\]: Can a pro defeat a KGS 5d with H7?
vineslime [-\]: REALLY??????????????
Sakae [-\]: what computer is mogo running on?
funfun [3d\]: 6
glasauge [1d\]: I suppose you meant monty python search
eniraf [4k\]: the score was 84/82.5
vineslime [-\]: wow back ward
darkinochi [6k\]: ive seen them do it hangara
hobot [2k\]: i want the MAN to win!
cat123 [14k\]: .
vineslime [-\]: YAY
funfun [3d\]: w escapes?
Mogo [-\]: GTP Engine for Mogo (white): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll \
resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you \
passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some \
stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will \
agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have \
not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play \
until the end :'( (very rare cases)
calbonga [13k\]: comps can't control us!
BigTime [11k\]: who's the bot and who the dude?
vdust [3k\]: mogo is designed to run on clusters.
yslcmn [2k\]: can w live there?
takemyeye [2k\]: w is flooder ;0
Cleasha [5d?\]: http://www.usgo.org/index.php?%23_id=4602
tchitchi [3k\]: the bot will play divin move & save his stones^^
matjet [2k\]: did anyone else notice the timer stopped for awile?
glasauge [1d\]: ah, looks like Mogo has restarted
vineslime [-\]: wha?
Javaness [-\]: white just dc'd perhaps?
vineslime [-\]: Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
cat123 [14k\]: i hope mogo did not crash
Sakae [-\]: what computer is running this mogo?
BigTime [11k\]: is nutngo a person or a program?
vineslime [-\]: persom
Sakae [-\]: nutngo is my program
vdust [3k\]: Sakae: probably not a single computer.
mmmmmmmmmm [2d\]: a programmed person
maszrum [-\]: nutngo is 1p human
vineslime [-\]: ithink
cat123 [14k\]: they re both programs
Stange [2k\]: nut
cat123 [14k\]: playhing each other
royalty [3d\]: except pros are more of demigods
Elmer [2d?\]: 1Pperson according to announcement
vineslime [-\]: nut GO!!!!!!
vineslime [-\]: :)
cat123 [14k\]: no
BigTime [11k\]: ok, thank you all
cat123 [14k\]: nut and go
vineslime [-\]: NUT, GOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Javaness [-\]: -.-
takemyeye [2k\]: i think it's "nut'n'" = southern Nothing
BigTime [11k\]: those this is like the cyber-nerdcore version \
of a dogfight, i get it!
vineslime [-\]: / NUTTY          GO!
vineslime [-\]: :)
inte [?\]: see http://go.nutn.edu.tw/2009/English/schedule_eng.htm
bobo [15k\]: how strong is this nogo
bobo [15k\]: has it been rated
Peantoo [6k\]: it is 9p
bobo [15k\]: wowzers
maszrum [-\]: it never played even game on 19x19
Peantoo [6k\]: on 9x9
funfun [3d\]: 1p
BigTime [11k\]: it's been rated sloooow by my impatience
Peantoo [6k\]: no one has ever beaten it
cat123 [14k\]: maybe someone kicked mogo and it froze
Peantoo [6k\]: ever
solarstar [6k\]: nut go=li chen chien right?]
BL[2551.829];W[bg]
C[bobo [15k\]: \]yes
Sakae [-\]: !
ogur2 [2k\]: yessss
Sakae [-\]: I knew it!
cat123 [14k\]: mogo has made his move
ogur2 [2k\]: any pro cant respond
bobo [15k\]: what it goona do about the right halfi wonder
solarstar [6k\]: a boring 9x9
RobertT [4k?\]: its not nut n' go... its En oot en go
Questjuh [8k\]: b D1 ?
solarstar [6k\]: 19x19 please
funfun [3d\]: b4
Warfreak2 [4d\]: you don't want to see mogo play 19x19
Sakae [-\]: c2 
Sakae [-\]: I belive
solarstar [6k\]: suks?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: not for a few years, anyway
eoe [11k\]: impressive kibitz to move ratio here
DnFBlitz [1k\]: it won with H7 against 9p... I don't think i could \
do that
cat123 [14k\]: mogo is only programed for  at most 9*9 no more \
no less
Warfreak2 [4d\]: cat fails at fact-checking
maszrum [-\]: cat123... it could give you like 18 handi on 19x19
ripsilver [8k\]: warfreak i remember i played you once when we \
were the same rank
DnFBlitz [1k\]: so I'm also impressed by mogo performance on 19x19
ripsilver [8k\]: once or twice
ripsilver [8k\]: or more than twice..
CBlue [?\]: f8?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: :-)
cat123 [14k\]: maszrum       u fuuny
Warfreak2 [4d\]: sorry, i don't recognise your name
matjet [2k\]: since when did it win with 7 handi?
ripsilver [8k\]: look up your games history
kuy30 [1d\]: b has to kill to one of the groups
ripsilver [8k\]: and youll see me i played you :D
DnFBlitz [1k\]: well, at least it says so on this page: http://go.nutn.edu.tw/2009/English/result_eng.htm
ripsilver [8k\]: i beat you!
ripsilver [8k\]: and then you beat me
Sakae [-\]: just making htem pointless is enough
ripsilver [8k\]: and so on
Warfreak2 [4d\]: kgs stats doesn't find anything
ripsilver [8k\]: while ago man
ripsilver [8k\]: go to kgs archives
Peantoo [6k\]: SO EXCITING
lein [1k\]: GO Mogo!!!!
bobo [15k\]: snails have sex to this 
Sakae [-\]: go human]
WL[2522.937];B[fc]
C[cat123 [14k\]: hey no saying that
Warfreak2 [4d\]: oh, kgs stats only searches last 6 months :-o
bobo [15k\]: yes!
bobo [15k\]: go human
Warfreak2 [4d\]: go bot
cat123 [14k\]: no saying the snail thing
tchitchi [3k\]: it must be alive
bobo [15k\]: why
cat123 [14k\]: mogo has feelings too
Dreamlight [17k\]: I always root against the p00ter.
Peantoo [6k\]: yeah, you can't say the s word. sex is ok though.
quasimoyo [2d\]: Here you can check your entire stats from kgs: \
http://kgs.gosquares.net/
royu [5d\]: sorry, who is b?
Sakae [-\]: b winning!
Sakae [-\]: 2.5
frog [12k\]: a pro
eoe [11k\]: ko
maszrum [-\]: korean 1p
solarstar [6k\]: why does it take them so long to think?
royu [5d\]: thanks
Peantoo [6k\]: because its a computer
cat123 [14k\]: secks
falfan1 [5k\]: lol
Cblanco [4d\]: Taiwanese pro
chipper [-\]: B is  Li-Chen Chien (1P) today
Peantoo [6k\]: this game is sexy go sex
frog [12k\]: in a 9x9 just play tengen and then mirror go
IstTengen [6k\]: peantoo, the human takes longer
Dreamlight [17k\]: seqce
matjet [2k\]: last time i saw it, mogo barelly won with 9 handi
royu [5d\]: this choice... maybe strange
Warfreak2 [4d\]: looks like we played two 13x13 games, ripsilver, \
you won one :-o
royu [5d\]: w if gets e6 gets a cut at d5
Peantoo [6k\]: the pro has to think longer because it's a computer?
cat123 [14k\]: is mogo running on a mac or a pc
chipper [-\]: Hello, please keep this server family friendly, \
and focus on game please :)
royu [5d\]: so w might pre-emptively play f8 style move or e8
Yxven [1k\]: mogo plays out millions of sequences then chooses \
the move it thinks is best. I believe
royu [5d\]: to get e8 safe i mean
Peantoo [6k\]: mogo is running on blue gene
RobertT [4k?\]: mutiny agenst the admins!
cat123 [14k\]: is mogo running on mac or pc
cat123 [14k\]: ?
Peantoo [6k\]: BLUE GENE
solarstar [6k\]: blue ocean
ripsilver [8k\]: its running on a military computer
takemyeye [2k\]: unix?
ripsilver [8k\]: the ones that have TERABYTES
maszrum [-\]: mogo is running on huygens, 1000 times slower than \
blue gene
Stange [2k\]: what is result on 5X5 board?
Peantoo [6k\]: mac or pc is irrelevant. skynet can utilize all \
systems.]
BL[2312.652];W[fb]
C[cat123 [14k\]: think mogo think
royu [5d\]: skynet turned my i-phone into a wall-e
Peantoo [6k\]: skynet murdered my mom 
Sakae [-\]: really? :o
RobertT [4k?\]: skynet made chuck norris cry
eiphi [23k?\]: skynet almost rip of my head
cat123 [14k\]: i beat mogo onfamily friendly please
Peantoo [6k\]: good job
cat123 [14k\]: typo
Peantoo [6k\]: where is family friendly please
royu [5d\]: now f7 looks suspect?
cat123 [14k\]: no those are 2 different things
RobertT [4k?\]: its right next to "the one" setting
lein [1k\]: is mogo often online? i never saw this bot before
solarstar [6k\]: just monkey jump at d1 and is game over lol
royu [5d\]: because... if b blocks g8, w gets f6 and then g7, \
e6 continuation... w has cut at d5 or push at f5
yslcmn [2k\]: Moyo wins?
yslcmn [2k\]: *g
BenjaminGl [12k\]: took him to do a move I thought up quickly]
WL[2291.904];B[gb]
C[IstTengen [6k\]: lein, I guess it is too expensive to keep online
Sakae [-\]: ye
Sakae [-\]: but it's still connected
Sakae [-\]: or wait..
royu [5d\]: sorry what is komi on 9x9?
DnFBlitz [1k\]: i don't see what else b can do than your sequence, \
royu :(
Sakae [-\]: f6 e6 e4 
DnFBlitz [1k\]: it's 7.5, chinese rules
Krazyhorse [13k\]: .5
eoe [11k\]: royu, options > rules
royu [5d\]: thanks
Sakae [-\]: ...
cat123 [14k\]: based on his profile mogo's real name is  mogo
Sakae [-\]: f6 g7 e6 e4 
smogogo [2k\]: royu if white cut d5 black can play d6 then d7
royu [5d\]: w can exchange
bobstep [8k\]: komi is 7.5
eiphi [23k?\]: Q nana
royu [5d\]: with 7.5 komi, w win with exchange
smogogo [2k\]: ok
RobertT [4k?\]: my moneys on orange
DnFBlitz [1k\]: ah thanks sakae, that seems reasonable :)
smogogo [2k\]: thx for the explanation
Mackenzie [17k\]: hi cat
funfun [3d\]: b+0,5
cat123 [14k\]: hi mackenzie
royalty [3d\]: i agree with funfun
Mackenzie [17k\]: this  is  a   pro  match  cat
Krazyhorse [13k\]: my money is on the spartan with the rocket \
launcher
Stange [2k\]: so slow
kuy30 [1d\]: w will never let b+0.5
Yxven [1k\]: that analyitics tool is interesting. It says I've \
only played 49 games total, and I've lost every game that I've \
been given handi
ripsilver [8k\]: 49?]
BL[2170.194];W[fd]
C[funfun [3d\]: euro 5d can npt win hc games too]
WL[2087.94];B[gc]
C[ThisIsArt [4d\]: i think b lost
Sakae [-\]: why?
calbonga [13k\]: pfft
smogogo [2k\]: loks like this is enough if black hav the monkey \
but can he have that?
calbonga [13k\]: b can use his c5 stone
calbonga [13k\]: nvm
smogogo [2k\]: black can play c4 in sente if e6
Yxven [1k\]: I guess I'm reading it wrong. I don't know how to \
get it to display the stats for all my games
chipper [-\]: Yxven, please focus on game.
Yxven [1k\]: sorry
smogogo [2k\]: ?
funfun [3d\]: how many variations has 9*9?
Sakae [-\]: hmm
Sakae [-\]: looks actually like a loss fo black.
frog [12k\]: if my reading is correct black has already won]
BL[2160.669];W[db]
C[Sakae [-\]: depending on if the monkey jum will indeed happen \
or not
Sakae [-\]: ye
Warfreak2 [4d\]: mogo is mind-bogglingly strong on 9x9
Sakae [-\]: b win
Q161 [19k\]: gogo humans!
Pizat19 [3k\]: i thought white would d5
royu [5d\]: b forced to play e6 now
RobertT [4k?\]: warfreak2 it kinda helps that they have 5 minutes \
per move
Cblanco [4d\]: maybe not
IstTengen [6k\]: remembered to add the komi when you say b win?
frog [12k\]: yes war but in 9x9 tengen is a one of the deciding \
factors in who wins
royu [5d\]: or to protect cut somehow
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i want to know how strong mogo would be on OGS \
or DGS, with days per move
Cblanco [4d\]: yes
royu [5d\]: so w gets g9 in sente and then f2 
smogogo [2k\]: c2 first?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: frog, you could say exactly the same about komi. \
black gets tengen, that's why white gets komi.
Sakae [-\]: d5 is fail
Cblanco [4d\]: not necessarily sente
ChoMama [-\]: mogo beat 6d yesterday?
royalty [3d\]: royu, you are missing that it's black's turn
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i don't think he is, royalty, he just said that \
b has to fix
royu [5d\]: b has to protect cut at d5
Sakae [-\]: well...
Sakae [-\]: fix with c4 
Sakae [-\]: hmm
Cblanco [4d\]: maybe yes
Crumb [5k\]: c4 c4 c4 
Sakae [-\]: maybe should read it out..
DnFBlitz [1k\]: well, c4, c3, then it's not fixed?
DnFBlitz [1k\]: or wait ;)
DnFBlitz [1k\]: forget it, i'm tired
Pizat19 [3k\]: read d5 out, i see black gets cut but then, protecting \
the cut and the monkey jump on the bottom are miai an w lose \
:O
Crumb [5k\]: 2 groups vs 1
Cblanco [4d\]: proble with c4 is then w e6 is sente
Cblanco [4d\]: problem*
Sakae [-\]: well
Sakae [-\]: now with d8 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: e6 already pretty sente for w
Sakae [-\]: d5 can get cut
DangoMango [7k\]: who is nut go
royu [5d\]: c4 d5 d4 e4 d6 f5 cut
DangoMango [7k\]: who is nutngo
frog [12k\]: no why c4?b6 then b7
Warfreak2 [4d\]: best for b i can come up with is e6, but then \
again i'm a weakling
ogur2 [2k\]: its me , better acount
Q161 [19k\]: how is chinese rule set different from japanese?
Cblanco [4d\]: royu is right
Pizat19 [3k\]: e6 fixes the d5 cut :O seems like a gift
chipper [-\]: DangoMango: National University of Tainan (NUTN), \
Taiwan 
Cblanco [4d\]: but not so much
frog [12k\]: chinese japanese difference is komi i think
maszrum [-\]: I think w is ahead
Flight [2k\]: it's a lot more than komi
Cblanco [4d\]: c4 sente and then e6
royalty [3d\]: area counting vs territorial counting
Flight [2k\]: chinese counts territory AND your stones
Crumb [5k\]: Chinese = choose where your handicap go, Japanese \
= you do not
Sakae [-\]: sigh
maszrum [-\]: b can get at most 20 points and komi is larde
maszrum [-\]: large
Flight [2k\]: japanese only counts your territory
Sakae [-\]: c4 d5 d4 e4 f5 
Sakae [-\]: now
Cblanco [4d\]: yes
Sakae [-\]: if white d6 
Sakae [-\]: c3 
Sakae [-\]: cuts white
smogogo [2k\]: c4 perhaps sente but white will play f2?
Flight [2k\]: Crumb, that's Ing, not chinese
bobstep [8k\]: Chinese lost stones don't mean anything, but points \
are awarded for stones left on board
royalty [3d\]: flight, no it's chinese too
supercan [?\]: c2 + e1 and b win]
WL[1905.564]
;B[dd]
C[Sakae [-\]: Oo
Flight [2k\]: i don't get it
ShikiChan [13k\]: looks good
Jeromin [8k\]: going for the kill?
ShikiChan [13k\]: doubt it
bobstep [8k\]: chinese counts territory and number of stones left \
on board
Flight [2k\]: white can easily live
smogogo [2k\]: just connect
ChoMama [-\]: kill what?
mmmmmmmmmm [2d\]: what is the fun of playing a bot?
royu [5d\]: does mogo speed up as permutations decrease?
funfun [3d\]: b6
Cblanco [4d\]: if tenuki can w live? with how many points?
jjermann [1d\]: smogogo: if w connects the exchange is good for \
b
Flight [2k\]: white can't connect under actuallly
Crumb [5k\]: Counting your stones is such a hastle
funfun [3d\]: e6 b5 prob
takemyeye [2k\]: W gets only 12 points
ChoMama [-\]: playing a bot isnt about fun, it's about helping \
the developer make the bot better, i think
Flight [2k\]: sure is
DreamN [6k?\]: which is bot? black or white?
eoe [11k\]: yeah
maszrum [-\]: w
Flight [2k\]: although it probably is some fun
Sakae [-\]: white
kidgrizzly [9k?\]: mogo
RobertT [4k?\]: they both are robots!
takemyeye [2k\]: no B is alien
mmmmmmmmmm [2d\]: and they put a 1p to face the program?
Bloch [10k\]: we dont want bots to be better
Jeromin [8k\]: I guess the fun is watching a pro struggle with \
a bot
Sakae [-\]: hmm
maszrum [-\]: yes mmmmmmmm, and bot is winning
Bloch [10k\]: in all seriousness, why should we make them better?
Sakae [-\]: what does d6 threaten?
royalty [3d\]: i want a perfect program to practise against
Khronos90 [7k\]: it doesnt matter if bots are better for go world, \
its just to develop technology
Cblanco [4d\]: me too]
BL[1844.449];W[bd]
C[smogogo [2k\]: jjerman yes... i say that to jeromin for d6 who \
connect for black^^
Crumb [5k\]: monkey jump babe!!!!!!!]
WL[1747.63];B[be]
C[royu [5d\]: I want a hot female 9p to practice against
Crumb [5k\]: aww...
Q161 [19k\]: me too :(
funfun [3d\]: yey
supercan [?\]: b win
ChoMama [-\]: just becauseyou can't cooklike julia childs doesnt \
mean you should stop feeding yourself, eh?
mmmmmmmmmm [2d\]: g9
frog [12k\]: i wouldnt i would get to distracted
Flight [2k\]: there's only 2 female 9p's out there i think
Flight [2k\]: and they're both old
mmmmmmmmmm [2d\]: hm
takemyeye [2k\]: i''l take any dan female
kidgrizzly [9k?\]: not fen yun
mmmmmmmmmm [2d\]: f2
DnFBlitz [1k\]: i'd rather have a hot gf and an ugly old 9p friend \
to practice ;)
funfun [3d\]: i want hot koren 1p to play with
ChoMama [-\]: ...
funfun [3d\]: doubble meaning :D
royu [5d\]: seemes w win for sure?
royu [5d\]: with 7.5
Q161 [19k\]: someone just said b win for sure
mmmmmmmmmm [2d\]: i want any hot&smart girl that doesnt play go
Flight [2k\]: nope
Flight [2k\]: nobody said that
Jeromin [8k\]: double meaning? you mean a Korean one pence coin?
Cblanco [4d\]: yes w won
Crumb [5k\]: Black wins for sure!
takemyeye [2k\]: if W gets F2
kidgrizzly [9k?\]: i want a hot guy go player to learn from...
mmmmmmmmmm [2d\]: w lost
Q161 [19k\]: <----
kidgrizzly [9k?\]: those are too hard to come by
funfun [3d\]: smart girls are bad in*****
Sakae [-\]: maybe I have to start to cheat for nutngo :o
eoe [11k\]: insects?
ShinHonaka [1d\]: bed?
eoe [11k\]: inferno?
mmmmmmmmmm [2d\]: five letters... let me see what could that be
Flight [2k\]: think: if a person was really attractive, do you \
think he/she would become a pro go player?
Cblanco [4d\]: they are not bad
ChoMama [-\]: i'm always startled to realize that i censor as \
many dan as kyu players...]
BL[1832.81];W[ed]
C[Sakae [-\]: Flight ofc
Sakae [-\]: if she liked go
ShinHonaka [1d\]: lol
mmmmmmmmmm [2d\]: w needs g9 and f2 at the same time
falfan1 [5k\]: b won
Jeromin [8k\]: so a bot that plays 9x9 go at pro level should \
be good for practice, right?
mmmmmmmmmm [2d\]: otherwise he lose
RobertT [4k?\]: ooo ooo have you censored me yet ChoMama?
royu [5d\]: i'm curious to whether mogo thinks g9 is better or \
f2 is better after b f5]
WL[1599.639];B[fe]
C[Flight [2k\]: nope, reason is that you can't use your attractiveness \
in go
falfan1 [5k\]: b won yay
mmmmmmmmmm [2d\]: b won for sure
Q161 [19k\]: see thats what im saying
Q161 [19k\]: make up your minds
Crumb [5k\]: Black wins! wooooo
HandOfDog [6k?\]: is this bot very strong?
RobertT [4k?\]: no
mmmmmmmmmm [2d\]: no
RobertT [4k?\]: 20k
ShinHonaka [1d\]: its a bot?
mmmmmmmmmm [2d\]: he is weak like me
calbonga [13k\]: definite no
maszrum [-\]: on 9x9 it's strong
FireDragon [1k\]: he sure is taking his time....
Cblanco [4d\]: f2 must be better
Q161 [19k\]: dont rush mogo!
vroom [16k\]: he is just slow :)
eoe [11k\]: don't you wish your go bot was weak like me
mmmmmmmmmm [2d\]: haha
jjermann [1d\]: c2 does not work
mmmmmmmmmm [2d\]: if b g9 then b win by 30
jjermann [1d\]: w can D4 and B4
Crumb [5k\]: They need to get a powerful go-bot in a video game \
to get the kids playing go
mmmmmmmmmm [2d\]: if w g9 then b win by 20
Warfreak2 [4d\]: nah, learning by playing a bot, you will learn \
bad things
eoe [11k\]: b g9 would be very rude
ShikiChan [13k\]: i disagree wit that crumb xD
smogogo [2k\]: b8 can kill?
RobertT [4k?\]: make the final boss to every game a 9d bot so \
no one can win :p
ShikiChan [13k\]: to beat the game, you need to be pro xD]
BL[1805.471];W[bb]
C[Crumb [5k\]: Like the hikaru no go games would be more fun if \
it was interesting for a 5kyu like me
mmmmmmmmmm [2d\]: hehe
MrShintou [-\]: g9 was best :-/
RobertT [4k?\]: b win
Warfreak2 [4d\]: g9 didn't work, there's e8 throw-in
Cblanco [4d\]: mogo is won
royu [5d\]: hmm wow
mmmmmmmmmm [2d\]: not sure shindou]
WL[1467.654];B[ch]
C[mmmmmmmmmm [2d\]: b+20
Crumb [5k\]: Black just droped the bomb
RobertT [4k?\]: oo going for kill
royu [5d\]: w b4 possible?
MrShintou [-\]: hmm you are right :D
jjermann [1d\]: no
MrShintou [-\]: missed this one
jjermann [1d\]: c2 does not work
jjermann [1d\]: but
jjermann [1d\]: b still profits I guess
bobstep [8k\]: f2 was prob best for w
Crumb [5k\]: d1 I think
DnFBlitz [1k\]: crumb is right.  black is saying: "all your base \
are belong to us!"
glasauge [1d\]: if b profits, then it works
smogogo [2k\]: b4 d1 thenwhite no territory
vroom [16k\]: now mogo segmentation faults
mmmmmmmmmm [2d\]: now w is gonna take 23 mins to play the next \
move
Flight [2k\]: i think b2
RobertT [4k?\]: c2 time tesuji :p
mmmmmmmmmm [2d\]: or the segmentation fault
mmmmmmmmmm [2d\]: hehe
vroom [16k\]: *G*
ShinHonaka [1d\]: time to resign
Yxven [1k\]: w should be pretty good at life and death no?
Flight [2k\]: if wC3, black connects with f1
eoe [11k\]: when the samurai verifies his presence during a fight, \
the dragon smiles
jjermann [1d\]: F2 for w?
Crumb [5k\]: mmmmmmmmmm, I dont think Mogo will have a segmentation \
error >>
Cblanco [4d\]: c3
IstTengen [6k\]: yxven, probably very good, yes
Cblanco [4d\]: only move?
Flight [2k\]: wF2 b C3
MrShintou [-\]: b is +4.5
MrShintou [-\]: endgame
mmmmmmmmmm [2d\]: b+20
Sakae [-\]: huh?
takemyeye [2k\]: ok B won for sure.
Sakae [-\]: b+ loads]
BL[1772.245];W[cg]
C[takemyeye [2k\]: Kill them all!!!!!
mmmmmmmmmm [2d\]: oh fasty mogo
RobertT [4k?\]: gotta kill them all!]
WL[1346.454];B[fi]
C[Jeromin [8k\]: is it possible to use mogo to solve pre set tsumego?
Pizat19 [3k\]: gg
royu [5d\]: ko it
ShinHonaka [1d\]: white=dead
Crumb [5k\]: gg mogo, you gave it your best
Flight [2k\]: res
funfun [3d\]: a3
RobertT [4k?\]: baseless stick on 9x9 = bad
Sakae [-\]: mogo could have been better on a better computer :|
mmmmmmmmmm [2d\]: how to ko?
funfun [3d\]: a3
Flight [2k\]: is there a ko?
themulder: taking bets on w g4 or somethin
Crumb [5k\]: a3 ...
DreamN [6k?\]: e1
Cblanco [4d\]: no ko
takemyeye [2k\]: crunch crunch
paradigm [11k\]: Anyone know the specs of the computer mogo is \
running on?
royu [5d\]: maybe a4
IstTengen [6k\]: sakae, 600+ cores someone said. You don't get \
much better
Q161 [19k\]: so where are those guys saying w is sure to win
Sakae [-\]: psssh
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i don't see a4 working
Sakae [-\]: my computer is better than that
takemyeye [2k\]: google it
funfun [3d\]: a3
MrShintou [-\]: its nice to see professions winning 9x9 vs mogo \
:D
Warfreak2 [4d\]: a3 not working either
matjet [2k\]: it's running on the Huygens 
Capsule [-\]: but can 600+ cores run crysis?
Jeromin [8k\]: they should use one of those super computers with \
thousands of processors]
BL[1759.879];W[ei]
C[mmmmmmmmmm [2d\]: 600 cores of 333MHz
MrShintou [-\]: :D capsule
Warfreak2 [4d\]: it's commonplace to see humans beat mogo on 9x9
maszrum [-\]: there are computers with more than 100000 cores
Flight [2k\]: e2]
WL[1235.453]
;B[eh]
C[MrShintou [-\]: crysis is unrunable :D
Flight [2k\]: res...
Korlon [2k\]: Silly Mogo
paradigm [11k\]: Thanks matjet
jjermann [1d\]: but mogo beat a 9p :)
Sakae [-\]: soon comes the undo
IstTengen [6k\]: ok mas, you get much better, but not for sillyness \
like this. :)
Nakiwarai [4k\]: :D
MrShintou [-\]: w died :D
akasi [?\]: what is this mogo?
RobertT [4k?\]: mogo undos to first move
vroom [16k\]: suddenly white makes 2 moves
smogogo [2k\]: nice i see now later a3 make ko  right?
jjermann [1d\]: hmm is there a mogo version that asks for undo?
jjermann [1d\]: that would be fun
calbonga [13k\]: lol
mmmmmmmmmm [2d\]: what prog language is mogo writte in?
mmmmmmmmmm [2d\]: c?
maszrum [-\]: c++ probably
royalty [3d\]: qbasic
Capsule [-\]: FORTRAN
frak [6k\]: i bet java
royu [5d\]: EscapeBot_v.1.37
vroom [16k\]: it's slow, it must be java
mmmmmmmmmm [2d\]: java would be unbearable
Neospring [5k\]: its written in english of course
yslcmn [2k\]: anywhere and where]
BL[1748.345];W[fh]
C[yslcmn [2k\]: java is there
takemyeye [2k\]: sensei says  800 processors, 4.7 GHz each]
WL[1133.656];B[di]
C[Sakae [-\]: <mogo> undo plx plx plx
RobertT [4k?\]: VisualBasics :p
jjermann [1d\]: mogo is about randomness, they just feed kgs random \
binary packages until a good go program was found. the result \
was mogo
Cblanco [4d\]: it should be eye basics
Flight [2k\]: so, why is mogo still trying?
frak [6k\]: VB is only for tracing IP addresses
MrShintou [-\]: <mogo> does 1 eye live?
Capsule [-\]: frak, no one is going to get that joke :)
FrozenLuck [1d\]: i thougth mogo was a bot...
Warfreak2 [4d\]: more like <mogo> 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 1 0 0 1 0 \
1
frak [6k\]: u did?
MrShintou [-\]: or admit to getting it :D
fengitreon [-\]: why is this game so special?
Capsule [-\]: sure, from CSI, yeah?
MrShintou [-\]: frak we keep that on the dl :D
royalty [3d\]: sure we get it..
mmmmmmmmmm [2d\]: i ask myself the same gengitreon
ShinHonaka [1d\]: yeah.... why is it special?
Sakae [-\]: but..
Sakae [-\]: was b8 needed?
Crumb [5k\]: Mogo was written in french
ShinHonaka [1d\]: yes
smogogo [2k\]: b4]
BL[1745.262];W[dh]
C[royalty [3d\]: try playing against a pro a similar situation without \
playing b8]
WL[1034.475];B[ei]
C[ShinHonaka [1d\]: white play b8 and black dies
BenjaminGl [12k\]: so w is computer?
Flight [2k\]: this is so pathetic it hurts
smogogo [2k\]: b4 make life
matjet [2k\]: hmm each core is 4.7Ghz
Sakae [-\]: ye
ShinHonaka [1d\]: i mean black
Sakae [-\]: I'm sure I'll get the chanse
BenjaminGl [12k\]: core?
mmmmmmmmmm [2d\]: processor
Sakae [-\]: ye
royu [5d\]: does this mean Mogo can't read it is dead (since it \
hasn't resigned) ?
Neospring [5k\]: w so dead..
jjermann [1d\]: w has 1.5 eyes
glasauge [1d\]: you mean black plays B8 and black dies?
Sakae [-\]: otherwise b just b8 :D
RobertT [4k?\]: 4.7 x 800 = more then me
mmmmmmmmmm [2d\]: the thing that make the calculations and hm, \
calculations
Advent [1k\]: is this when mogo feels pain for the first time?
Sakae [-\]: if w ignores
Flight [2k\]: white should just a5 then g9
royu [5d\]: or is it programmed to do its best until it ends
Sakae [-\]: b will just play there
Cblanco [4d\]: he has chance of b making a mistake
ShikiChan [13k\]: lol]
BL[1742.321];W[bh]
C[Capsule [-\]: make fun of Mogo now, but you just wait until 2020 \
when all the titles are stolen by bots.
Cblanco [4d\]: really]
WL[943.355];B[ci]
C[QuiOu [7k\]: Is the number of cores really important for the skills \
of the bot ? not rather the way the program is written?
Neospring [5k\]: lol.
DnFBlitz [1k\]: in the past it was programmed to win, no difference \
in losing by 0.5 and by 80
eoe [11k\]: b2 9d move
ShikiChan [13k\]: i guess he calculated more chance of b mistake \
than to win with just f2
DnFBlitz [1k\]: i assume it's still the same
chipper [-\]: QuiOu, yes.
dsaf: I would think it is just analyzing the position it can't \
possibly see it being dead just by looking like us, now can it?
Cblanco [4d\]: now chance is much less
Flight [2k\]: B+25
mmmmmmmmmm [2d\]: no quiou
RobertT [4k?\]: I cant believe mogo has that much power behind \
it and we can beat it with 200+ programs running at once
Cookies [6k\]: b+resign?
Cookies [6k\]: o.o
Capsule [-\]: probably
inte [?\]: g1 now?
Flight [2k\]: computers don't resign
Cblanco [4d\]: maybe next move or this move w res
MssrBlanc [4k\]: no, mogo resigns--it just often does it late
jjermann [1d\]: mogo resigns
royalty [3d\]: mogo uses monte carlo so computing power does matter
BrYanwithY [10k\]: computers resign :P
Sakae [-\]: well
Sakae [-\]: white can still win on time
Capsule [-\]: i expect they will further the sequence to b1 g1 \
a4 a5 b4 a2 before resignation
MrShintou [-\]: mogo hasn't recognized that it has died.
MssrBlanc [4k\]: it has to think it has extremely small chances \
of winning, but because of the algorithm, that often happens \
until later
calbonga [13k\]: b can reduce more with b5 so black wins
royu [5d\]: if I was b, I would resign before I incite the fury \
of skynet
QuiOu [7k\]: ok]
BL[1739.345];W[gi]WL[860.053];B[hi]
C[mmmmmmmmmm [2d\]: the only reason to use so many cores is the \
unskill of programmers find something better than trees or something \
else
Flight [2k\]: lol
eoe [11k\]: :D
chipper [-\]: Capsule, white resign after a4/a5
RobertT [4k?\]: g1 = pro throw in
Q161 [19k\]: roflcopter
inte [?\]: yay! I was right :)
vroom [16k\]: nice try
lein [1k\]: haha
MssrBlanc [4k\]: Does skynet feel anger?
Capsule [-\]: didnt even get first move of sequence right
MrShintou [-\]: watch white kill all of b :D
eoe [11k\]: the infamous mogo tesuji
Q161 [19k\]: maybe he wouldnt see it :P
jjermann [1d\]: isnt there some feedback from the program
jjermann [1d\]: I thought mogo keeps something like a probability \
of winning
BrYanwithY [10k\]: MssrBlanc - no
MrShintou [-\]: Go Problem:::: Mogo to kill all Black
jjermann [1d\]: and if it is too low he resigns
MssrBlanc [4k\]: that's right, jjermann
jjermann [1d\]: who has access to that output?
heather [2d\]: threshhold is configurable and is set pretty low \
though
RobertT [4k?\]: ya mogo gives feedback but it only talks about \
if its hungry or its feelings
Jeromin [8k\]: w cannot move on time. b has plenty time left and \
any w move now will take about a second to answer
MssrBlanc [4k\]: whoever runs the program, I guess?
takemyeye [2k\]: well sensei's says it takes 9h from KGS 1 dan, \
so i doubt it will pwn by 2020...]
BL[1734.717];W[he]WL[786.325]
;B[ge]
C[Korlon [2k\]: Haha
glasauge [1d\]: computing power does matter in timed games and \
that's a good reason to utilize many cores
calbonga [13k\]: nice
Sakae [-\]: hmm
Crumb [5k\]: Go white! You can do it!
Dreamlight [17k\]: Go black!
MssrBlanc [4k\]: Yes, also the probability doesn't shrink as fast \
because it's a probabilistic readout, I guess
funfun [3d\]: lol
MssrBlanc [4k\]: doh--that made no sense
inte [?\]: two more moves?
funfun [3d\]: timesuji
jjermann [1d\]: takemyeye: be careful, that's what they thought \
about chess programs as well ^^
MssrBlanc [4k\]: probability doesn't shrink fast because there's \
nonsense moves in there
RobertT [4k?\]: j5!
vroom [16k\]: chess programs are just brute force
maszrum [-\]: so is mogo
vroom [16k\]: writing go bots is much more complex
mmmmmmmmmm [2d\]: what kind of marvelous algorithm mogo uses?]
BL[1729.739];W[ae]
C[jjermann [1d\]: vroom: you don't know that
paradigm [11k\]: mmmmm: mogo uses monte carlo simulations
Crumb [5k\]: Monte Carlo
takemyeye [2k\]: chess is a very different game... I read a paper \
they solved Checkers completely
chipper [-\]: resign in 2 moves]
WL[719.432];B[af]
C[jjermann [1d\]: vroom: and chess programs also needed some time \
to develop
looser [1k\]: oh
inte [?\]: chess programs aren't just brute force either. they \
contain a lot of chess knowledge (and that's not limited to opening \
books)
Q161 [19k\]: chessbots are absolutely not pure burte force
BrYanwithY [10k\]: It's only complext because there's more variations, \
especially on a 19x19 board
vroom [16k\]: of course jjermann
Dreamlight [17k\]: Yes, 8x8 checkers has been solved.
MrShintou [-\]: checkers is solved?
MrShintou [-\]: sweet i need the print out :D 
royalty [3d\]: monte carlo, playing randomish sequences a lot \
and reading average probabilities on winning moves
Sakae [-\]: hmm
takemyeye [2k\]: well 8x8 checkers
MrShintou [-\]: ttime to hussle
Sakae [-\]: b8 was intressting..
BrYanwithY [10k\]: that's true, inte....because chess programs \
can be programed to act according to different strategies and \
styles
glasauge [1d\]: Mogo is in despaired mode, just checking the opponent's \
nerves
BrYanwithY [10k\]: (to inte)
Dreamlight [17k\]: Yeah, 8x8.  10x10 checkers/draughts is still \
open.
DangoMango [7k\]: i thought computers do very good on smaller \
board?
jjermann [1d\]: I would say it might very well be that go programs \
beat professional players on 19x19 within the next 20 years
inte [?\]: mrshintou: http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~chinook/
mmmmmmmmmm [2d\]: doubt that
Sakae [-\]: H
Dreamlight [17k\]: Yay!
takemyeye [2k\]: i could bet $1000 that they dont...
hobot [2k\]: woot!
Sakae [-\]: GEEE GEEE!!!
paradigm [11k\]: Wooo humans still #1
hobot [2k\]: go human~!
BrYanwithY [10k\]: most people probably doubted it with chess \
programs
Dreamlight [17k\]: HUMAN POWAH!
vroom [16k\]: then why is it that I can win vs gnu bot on 9x9 \
but he always beats me on 19x19
Khronos90 [7k\]: because ur terrible with 19x19 :P
jjermann [1d\]: BrYanwithY: oh yes they doubted it, like we do \
atm
mmmmmmmmmm [2d\]: unless someone find something better than monte \
carlo then bots will stay retarded
vroom [16k\]: *G*
jjermann [1d\]: yeah of course
vroom [16k\]: thanks for the game
calbonga [13k\]: hmph
jjermann [1d\]: needs some new ideas
Sakae [-\]: Lim Yo Hwan!! GEE GEEEE!!!
maszrum [-\]: computers will beat pros in less than 10 years
Sakae [-\]: psssh
Q161 [19k\]: yeah right
Sakae [-\]: computers are beaten at this time :o
Sakae [-\]: who knows :o
takemyeye [2k\]: yes and in 20 years humans will establish a colony \
on Mars
Sakae [-\]: maybe go will be droped in 10 years ;)
vroom [16k\]: hehe
vroom [16k\]: and substituted by run
BrYanwithY [10k\]: maybe the moon, takemyeye :)
maszrum [-\]: if mogo improves 1 stone every year it will easily \
beat pros in 10 years
BrYanwithY [10k\]: seriously though, it's not inconceivable that \
they could develop an ai complext enough, combined with enough \
brute force to do it.....although it would take a lot of work, \
and I don't know how many people are working on these programs
maszrum [-\]: and mogo is not strongest bot
Sakae [-\]: if humans improve 2 stones every year, they will neve \
be beaten by computers
cyclotron [12k\]: humans die
BrYanwithY [10k\]: haha
BrYanwithY [10k\]: yes, but more replace them :)]
BL[1712.631])
