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GM[1]FF[4]VW[]AP[Many Faces of Go version 12.001]
SZ[19]
HA[7]
ST[0]
PB[Mogo]
PW[nutngo]
DT[2009-02-12]
PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
KM[0.5]
TM[0]
RU[Chinese]
RE[W+Resign]
OT[10x40 byo-yomi]
C[Mogo [-\]: GTP Engine for Mogo (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll \
resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you \
passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some \
stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will \
agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have \
not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play \
until the end :'( (very rare cases)]
CA[UTF-8];B[dd]BL[40]OB[10];B[dj]BL[40]OB[10];B[dp]BL[40]OB[10];B[pd]BL[40]OB[10];B[pj]BL[40]OB[10];B[pp]BL[40]OB[10];B[jj]BL[40]OB[10];W[gp]
C[bobo [15k\]: coolio
bobo [15k\]: a 1919]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[mq]BL[40]OB[10];W[dm]
C[SunnyD [2d\]: a casual game?
CobyRobins [3k\]: ok how strong is this bot?
tontonken [11k\]: the strength of a pro...
tontonken [11k\]: very strong
ketchup [4k\]: .....
tontonken [11k\]: it beat nutngo]
WL[40]OW[10];B[jq]
C[Locks [5k\]: these time settings though... it's like blitz for \
bots...
ketchup [4k\]: 19x19 is different than 9x9
carbon729 [3d\]: the bot is strong on 9x9
ketchup [4k\]: i did not think that needed explanation
Lynx [2d\]: dude the comp is pro on 9x9 and weak dan perhaps or \
strong kyu in 19x19
ketchup [4k\]: but it seems it does!
MXHero [-\]: will it have a chance this game?]
BL[40]OB[10];W[cq]
C[Oxycodone [14k\]: why the 8 handi
ketchup [4k\]: that's like asking will you have a chance this \
game
ketchup [4k\]: sure you do~
Locks [5k\]: no he won't... he's not playing
NoKnott [-\]: handi 7
Oxycodone [14k\]: ok why the 7 handi]
WL[40]OW[10];B[dq]BL[40]OB[10];W[cp]
C[MXHero [-\]: lol locks
NoKnott [-\]: robots are not as good on 19x19 as on 9x9]
WL[40]OW[10];B[do]
C[BlitzOff [10k\]: so i guess 32x32 is out of the question huh?
MXHero [-\]: i do have to say that k3 was extremely odd
ripsilver [9k\]: thats why mogo gets handi]
BL[40]OB[10];W[co]
C[Lynx [2d\]: some of mogo's moves are really interesting
Locks [5k\]: on a 9x9 making a game tree is at least possible \
, but on a 19x19
BenjaminGl [12k\]: what is mogo?
ketchup [4k\]: ...]
WL[40]OW[10];B[dn]BL[40]OB[10];W[cn]
C[shesck [17k\]: wowo
katori15 [5k\]: mogo - http://www.cs.unimaas.nl/g.chaslot/muyungwan-mogo/
ripsilver [9k\]: mogo is the devils claw]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[em]
C[shesck [17k\]: 7 handi?
MXHero [-\]: i do hope that computers will never be pro strength, \
but if they are it would be exciting to see what strategies they \
can cook up]
BL[40]OB[10];W[el]
C[Troff [?\]: seems to play very well sometimes, then misses something \
critical and falls apart
ripsilver [9k\]: computers cant cook up strategies, they're programmed
shesck [17k\]: who've seen their last game?
royalty [3d\]: a-haa.. 19x19 for a chance
shesck [17k\]: in 9x9?]
WL[40]OW[10];B[dl]BL[40]OB[10];W[cm]
C[MXHero [-\]: ripsliver, if a computer is pro strength at go, there \
is something special in its coding for sure ;)
ripsilver [9k\]: that people already know about, in other words \
it was programmed]
WL[40]OW[10];B[fm]BL[40]OB[10];W[fl]
C[BenjaminGl [12k\]: probably fueled with essense of Sai =P
royalty [3d\]: ooh. mogo is doing quite well
shesck [17k\]: who saw  natngo game in 9x9 field?
Locks [5k\]: somebody needs to teach mogo the 123 principle]
WL[40]OW[10];B[gl]BL[40]OB[10];W[fj]
C[Oxycodone [14k\]: ?
BlitzOff [10k\]: wow, 1000 times more powerful then deep blue... \
Thats power
MXHero [-\]: that's not true; it can search game trees the programmers \
did not ever consider
Oxycodone [14k\]: 123 principle?
Hagios [3k\]: Oxycodone, also called ABC principle.  If you want \
to play A,B,C then sometimes it's best to just play C and leave \
AB exchange for later.
royalty [3d\]: i'm a dan and even i dont know the 123 principle
Locks [5k\]: thank you hagios]
WL[40]OW[10];B[fk]BL[40]OB[10];W[ek]
C[ripsilver [9k\]: well not the programmers, what i meant it cant \
think up its own strategy
ketchup [4k\]: oxycodone, why play 1-2-3- when you can just play \
3
aware [2k\]: is this early start of game against 2p or someone \
other playing as nutngo?
Oxycodone [14k\]: i see
ketchup [4k\]: that's the 1-2-3 principle
ketchup [4k\]: i think
MXHero [-\]: squeeze tesuji, do it!!
Korlon [2k\]: Are you talking about D8?]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[ej]BL[40]OB[10];W[gk]
C[ketchup [4k\]: aw i am so late
Locks [5k\]: bingo
Oxycodone [14k\]: what level is nutngo
MXHero [-\]: 2p?
Korlon [2k\]: Black should atari at D8, it leaves aji for later
ketchup [4k\]: 2p says on website
carbon729 [3d\]: cool....he knows also the tesuji on F9
Locks [5k\]: d8 would be the "1" move
Korlon [2k\]: Otherwise white would just connect]
WL[40]OW[10];B[dk]BL[40]OB[10];W[fk]
C[Junehog [-\]: i've never seen a computer squeeze
Korlon [2k\]: for example, no more squeeze
Lynx [2d\]: if it now plays G7 I'll be impressed
royalty [3d\]: so far the plays look somewhat humane]
WL[40]OW[10];B[fi]
C[MXHero [-\]: me neither, june; i'm impressed
Locks [5k\]: interesting choice of words royalty
royalty [3d\]: kyus play unhumane btw
Hagios [3k\]: lol, royalty
ketchup [4k\]: dont worry, soon it will use sente to take the \
largest gote move]
BL[40]OB[10];W[hk]
C[ketchup [4k\]: that's when you'll see the inhumane~
Troff [?\]: or play self atari somewhere
MXHero [-\]: taking large gote is very humane
ketchup [4k\]: self atari is human :)]
WL[40]OW[10];B[hm]BL[40]OB[10];W[jp]
C[Defiance [1k\]: Mogo is a computer?
Defiance [1k\]: =O
shesck [17k\]: yes
orehg [4k\]: please keep your mouth zipped if you are under 1D
shesck [17k\]: with 7 handi im not sure he can win
Defiance [1k\]: how strong is the computer?
Locks [5k\]: *stares at orehg's rank*
Pizat19 [3k\]: doesnt work when a 4k says it :/]
WL[40]OW[10];B[il]
C[Soulfrost [6k\]: i hear he's 6d on a 9x9 board
Korlon [2k\]: With the hardware he has now, probably 1 dan or \
2 dan]
BL[40]OB[10];W[gi]
C[Mogadishu [7k\]: but it runs on vista
royalty [3d\]: i'm not interested at mogo playing these handicap \
games. let me play against it on even terms
Oxycodone [14k\]: LOL
Oxycodone [14k\]: mogadishu
MXHero [-\]: i agree, royalty
shesck [17k\]: lol
BlitzOff [10k\]: is this mogo running off a fast computer?]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[fh]
C[tburt [16k\]: its running off of a supercomputer]
BL[40]OB[10];W[gh]
C[BlitzOff [10k\]: what does that mean, lol
aware [2k\]: it runs on 640 cpus of this monster: http://www.itjungle.com/tlb/tlb071508-story02.html
MXHero [-\]: i'd expect a computer's biggest shortcoming the fuseki, \
and handicap kinda nullifies that
Lynx [2d\]: I'm starting to suspect that this MoGo creation is \
ACTUALLY a person.]
WL[40]OW[10];B[gg]
C[BenjaminGl [12k\]: what would move h11 do?
Hagios [3k\]: Same supercomputer as the last big mogo game?]
BL[40]OB[10];W[ji]
C[BlitzOff [10k\]: really aware?
PikkuKiusa [3k\]: who is white
shesck [17k\]: human
aware [2k\]: blitz> is says so in their website
Korlon [2k\]: Same hardware
goingfun [3k\]: gg
SunnyD [2d\]: I take 4 stones from mogo andlost
DarkJC [20k\]: Blitz, yes, massive computing power is behind it.
BlitzOff [10k\]: wow
NoKnott [-\]: w = Shih Chin , 2p
Hagios [3k\]: Ah!  Didn't see your link, aware
Hagios [3k\]: Thanks]
WL[40]OW[10];B[ij]BL[40]OB[10];W[hg]
C[MGoldfain [10k\]: What do the strong players here say so far ... \
it looks to me as though Mogo is going to wipe out nutngo
royalty [3d\]: so far this is the best mogo fuseki i've seen
Lynx [2d\]: how did u play MoGo, SunnyD?
PikkuKiusa [3k\]: why are these pros hacing these heavy groups? \
they should play very lightly
Lynx [2d\]: Mogo seems to be dominating W imo
MXHero [-\]: yeah, i'm actually kinda scared of mogo right now
SunnyD [2d\]: one stone at a time?
Lynx [2d\]: ummm pikkukiusa let's see u do better]
WL[40]OW[10];B[ip]
C[PikkuKiusa [3k\]: I would]
BL[40]OB[10];W[gn]
C[Lynx [2d\]: no how did u get he opp to play it
shesck [17k\]: :)
Locks [5k\]: erm... it's move 44 of a seven stone handicap game... \
mogo should be dominating...
MXHero [-\]: i feel like i would not be doing as well here
katori15 [5k\]: if mogo putting the handicap down played a non \
star point is when things start to really change
shesck [17k\]: i still think w will win]
WL[40]OW[10];B[gm]BL[40]OB[10];W[io]
C[burtabel [3d\]: mogo already created several weaknesses
wayward [1k\]: let's see how Mogo fares against sabaki
BlitzOff [10k\]: it takes a long time for easy moves
AmerBeton [11k\]: it takes time for every move
youth [4k\]: it's programmed to use its time
PikkuKiusa [3k\]: why not e6?]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[jo]BL[40]OB[10];W[kp]
C[PikkuKiusa [3k\]: for white
shesck [17k\]: hmm
Locks [5k\]: not really, i think it's programmed to spend at least \
40 seconds looking at possibilites
aware [2k\]: can someone official explain why 7handy? .. 6 were \
planned if i remember correctly
SunnyD [2d\]: E6 give up stones and win game
shesck [17k\]: 30
Defiance [1k\]: because black could push white around if white \
e6
Soulfrost [6k\]: probably closer to 30 sec looking at possibilities]
WL[40]OW[10];B[ho]
C[petition [7k?\]: programmed?
shesck [17k\]: 35*]
BL[40]OB[10];W[iq]
C[BlitzOff [10k\]: 410 gigaflops of number crunching power. <- holy \
crap]
WL[40]OW[10];B[hp]
C[petition [7k?\]: so black is a robot?
MXHero [-\]: dang, i feel like b has made an error
Lynx [2d\]: what's a gigaflop?
ripsilver [9k\]: teraflops!
Soulfrost [6k\]: yeah, black is a robot
MXHero [-\]: billion floating point operations
petition [7k?\]: dude, I effin hate robots
ripsilver [9k\]: its a MACHINE!!]
BL[40]OB[10];W[jr]
C[DarkJC [20k\]: flops = floating point operations per second
wayward [1k\]: it's not a robot.  It's not a machine.  It's a \
program. :)
shesck [17k\]: white is pretty dpme:P i cant see him wining
royalty [3d\]: you have watched too many scifi movies
petition [7k?\]: it's all robots
Locks [5k\]: well, i mean, it probably goes through, as it finds \
a good possibility it stores it, then when it finds a better \
one it replaces it, then at 39 seconds or so it plays whatever \
one was at the top of the list
Lynx [2d\]: what's a teraflop like in terms of something I can \
understand?
wayward [1k\]: go look up "robot"
aware [2k\]: teraflops... 410 gigaflops wouldnt be so much nowadays \
(a nvidia geforce gtx280 has nearly 1 terraflop)^^
Locks [5k\]: emphasis on the probably though]
WL[40]OW[10];B[hq]BL[40]OB[10];W[kq]
C[Troff [?\]: Mogo is the precursor to SkyNet. When the terminators \
begin to rise up, it will be Go's fault.
Mogadishu [7k\]: robots make up lies about themselves to confuse \
humans
shesck [17k\]: can u see any way W can win?]
WL[40]OW[10];B[hj]
C[fghhf: black is already losing alot of ground]
BL[40]OB[10];W[gj]
C[Cail [2k\]: troff, you're wrong because no one came back from \
the future to stop mogo
hkg [9k\]: i believe w can win
shesck [17k\]: l3  this group must live
skwalas [11k\]: cail,  can't you tell that's what nutngo is trying \
to do?
Lynx [2d\]: so what is a teraflop thing in terms of something \
i can understand?
DarkJC [20k\]: Lynx: the newest intel CPUs (core i7) do about \
51 GFLOPS for the fastest CPU]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[hf]BL[40]OB[10];W[ih]
C[Hussein [?\]: normallly doesn't it take 120 -150 moves before \
the handicap game becomes even?
LordLestat [14k\]: Well in 9x9...if someone do only (3^9)!  (!=fatorial) \
operations,We could know if black always win or the exact komi \
to 9x9.
DarkJC [20k\]: A teraflop is 1000 GFlops
ripsilver [9k\]: if white wins, sai was probably helping him
BlitzOff [10k\]: 4,096 of the 4.7 GHz Power6 cores <- that seems \
like overkill though
Junehog [-\]: nidan bane--never seen that from a comp either
MXHero [-\]: hussein, in theory it takes exactly the entire game \
for the handicap game to be even
aware [2k\]: blitz> they use 640 of them for mogo]
WL[40]OW[10];B[ig]
C[shesck [17k\]: lol stop bullshiting:P and watch the game]
BL[40]OB[10];W[hh]
C[aware [2k\]: ...impressive none the less:)
PikkuKiusa [3k\]: so is white a pro or not?
BlitzOff [10k\]: ahh
Cail [2k\]: what's nidan bane?
Ravenn [2k\]: junehog, computers double hane quite often, even \
igowin does :P
NoKnott [-\]: shesch, please watch your language, let's all be \
polite
Soulfrost [6k\]: white is a 2p
Korlon [2k\]: Double hane]
WL[40]OW[10];B[gf]
C[Soulfrost [6k\]: lol, closer to triple hane
Dagurasu [17k\]: shesck plaese no profane language]
BL[40]OB[10];W[jg]
C[SunnyD [2d\]: quad hane
Cail [2k\]: ah
Mogadishu [7k\]: so profane....
Lynx [2d\]: still not getting the magnitude of the computing power \
here
Dagurasu [17k\]: please*
DarkJC [20k\]: Lynx did you read what I said?
carbon729 [3d\]: sansan next]
WL[40]OW[10];B[if]BL[40]OB[10];W[dh]
C[SunnyD [2d\]: D12 first
royalty [3d\]: this is no longer the mogo i knew
skwalas [11k\]: Lynx.  think of a dollar as 1 flop.  $1000 is \
a kilo flop.
ripsilver [9k\]: crap im tired...goodnight guys
MXHero [-\]: how many flops does a "normal" pc have?
masek [-\]: Байоми
skwalas [11k\]: $1 million dollars is a gigaflop
shesck [17k\]: d12  whats the point>?
masek [-\]: Бот БОт Бот пролетить
Mogadishu [7k\]: is masek a robot too?
DarkJC [20k\]: MXHero: the best newest into CPU out right now \
does 51 Gflops
DarkJC [20k\]: From intel, I mean.
skwalas [11k\]: $1 billion dollars is a teraflop]
WL[40]OW[10];B[dg]
C[MXHero [-\]: for personal use? or is that a supercomputer?
ChoMama [-\]: lynx, a petaflop is like a bazillion bazillion commodore \
64's all on the same page (i think)
Lynx [2d\]: yes I read it.]
BL[40]OB[10];W[cg]
C[pilaf [3d\]: Mogo got a 4 core cpu?
shesck [17k\]: zzz
Lynx [2d\]: So this is like 20 of the best computers?
DarkJC [20k\]: MX, for personal use.
rich [10k\]: I would not pay a billion dollars for a teraflop
hkg [9k\]: ...using cluster will save alot
MXHero [-\]: ok thanks
masek [-\]: masek not robot :)  masek guess W+R :)
WinPooh [2k\]: мочить железяку :)
Dagurasu [17k\]: who constructed mogo
jungle [1d\]: me
masek [-\]: да рвать её в кусочки ,как бобик \
тряпку
shesck [17k\]: ZX]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[eg]
C[Dagurasu [17k\]: LIES
BlitzOff [10k\]: good thing that its running linux, we dont have \
to worry about crashes, lol
hkg [9k\]: lol
shesck [17k\]: d12  dead
shesck [17k\]: only if
rich [10k\]: ?
masek [-\]: Винни ставки c13 ? выживет?]
BL[40]OB[10];W[cd]
C[MGoldfain [10k\]: This kibbitz stream is running at 4 teraflops, \
I think.
aware [2k\]: lynx> if you mean "best computers you can buy at \
the local computer store" than take about 4-500 of them:)
shesck [17k\]: lol
petition [7k?\]: on the game records, mogo's one most of the h7 \
games these two have played]
WL[40]OW[10];B[jf]
C[shesck [17k\]: go to the pentagon and make the best program]
BL[40]OB[10];W[kg]
C[WinPooh [2k\]: несомненно, и еще всех съест
masek [-\]: does anyone believes in bot luck ?
Dagurasu [17k\]: well does anyone know who the engineer of the \
mogo computer is?
masek [-\]: is it really exists computer luck ?
Locks [5k\]: why would the pentagon be interested in go?
ChoMama [-\]: bot luck dinner?
MXHero [-\]: i believe in bot luck!
rich [10k\]: bot luck = lunch
BlitzOff [10k\]: IMB makes it i guess]
WL[40]OW[10];B[kf]
C[kuwabarak [7k\]: Dagurasu google it :)
MXHero [-\]: and i believe mogo just ran out of it :)
BlitzOff [10k\]: oh, i ment the computer, not the program, sorry]
BL[40]OB[10];W[lg]
C[Dagurasu [17k\]: k i'll google it
shesck [17k\]: zz
masek [-\]: я вот думаю, что людей боты не \
скоро будут обыгрывать ,еще лет 50 \
точно впереди
fringd [1k\]: man, 6th line territory?
masek [-\]: на равный
WinPooh [2k\]: на маленькой доске интереснее \
было бы
shesck [17k\]: there are 4 nutngo?
masek [-\]: да на маленькой посчитать легче
rich [10k\]: ]
WL[40]OW[10];B[cf]
C[WinPooh [2k\]: 11х11 на равных, или 13х13]
BL[40]OB[10];W[dc]
C[Locks [5k\]: why would you trust the government to make the best \
computer?
ChoMama [-\]: territory seems optimistic, fringd
tontonken [11k\]: nutngo is in trouble :o
shesck [17k\]: english
masek [-\]: 19x19 без шансов мне кажется
masek [-\]: corner seems to be alive :)
WinPooh [2k\]: я с трудом у мого на 9х9 выигрываю \
- уровень дана явно есть
fghhf: lol, mogo is in trouble
tontonken [11k\]: c3 you mean?
fghhf: losing points rapidly
shesck [17k\]: not really
rich [10k\]: I bet mogo is sweating and tslking to himself right \
now
tontonken [11k\]: is it really mogo that's in trouble
Korlon [2k\]: Those points weren't his yet anyhow
shesck [17k\]: dont think so
tontonken [11k\]: mogo is a bot XD
WinPooh [2k\]: и это на обычном PCпо 5 секунд \
на ход
masek [-\]: YAY frozen time
Korlon [2k\]: Crashed again?
Dagurasu [17k\]: wow i just read that mogo does 100,000 simulations/move
wayward [1k\]: simulations of what? :)
Mogadishu [7k\]: robot sweated too much oil
shesck [17k\]: he crashed?
PikkuKiusa [3k\]: what is a simulation?
rich [10k\]: that's 99,998 more than me!
Mogo [-\]: GTP Engine for Mogo (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll \
resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you \
passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some \
stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will \
agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have \
not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play \
until the end :'( (very rare cases)
skwalas [11k\]: heh.  would that mean not only can mogo play a \
dan, but it can escape too?
Dagurasu [17k\]: reading ahead
tontonken [11k\]: ?
BlitzOff [10k\]: aww, can we resume?
tontonken [11k\]: lol
AmerBeton [11k\]: double hane ?
TrippinOne [17k?\]:  some lab tech spilled coffee on the router
jungle [1d\]: GTP Engine for Mogo (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: \
I'll resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If \
you passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some \
stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will \
agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have \
not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play \
until the end :'( (very rare cases)
Locks [5k\]: and that probably doesn't even come close to the \
possibile moves
tontonken [11k\]: GTP Engine for Mogo (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: \
I'll resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If \
you passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some \
stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will \
agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have \
not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play \
until the end :'( (very rare cases) 
Mogadishu [7k\]: haha mogo is PISSED
tontonken [11k\]: lol XD
NoKnott [-\]: please stop repeating that]
WL[40]OW[10];B[ch]
C[tontonken [11k\]: sorry ._.
shesck [17k\]: lol
HornedFrog [10k\]: someone spilled coffee on him
shesck [17k\]: :P
Mogadishu [7k\]: haha
tontonken [11k\]: lol
TrippinOne [17k?\]:  ^>^
petition [7k?\]: seems a weak move
MXHero [-\]: yes
tontonken [11k\]: seems
shesck [17k\]: hmm
HornedFrog [10k\]: what, the coffee?
shesck [17k\]: lol]
BL[40]OB[9];W[pg]
C[WinPooh [2k\]: железяка испугалась :)
tontonken [11k\]: oh no it's getting to him
Locks [5k\]: now someone should just spill some cofee on tonton \
and jungle
tontonken [11k\]: mogo, don't die on us!
tontonken [11k\]: ._.
tontonken [11k\]: *spills coffee on locks*
shesck [17k\]: zzz
tontonken [11k\]: *runs*]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[mj]
C[Lynx [2d\]: b has lost 2 stones?
wayward [1k\]: Mogo is too solid for its own good]
BL[40]OB[9];W[me]
C[SunnyD [2d\]: please ban
PikkuKiusa [3k\]: mogo lives forever
wayward [1k\]: (as a style of play)
MXHero [-\]: yes
HornedFrog [10k\]: someone get a paper clip, some chewed gum, \
and duct tape
Locks [5k\]: you can't run from my herring gun!... wait, admin \
sense is tingling
katori15 [5k\]: someone could use the build in coffee holder on \
mogo 
HornedFrog [10k\]: it's time for some super computer surgery
Dagurasu [17k\]: iromi coulum is the engineer who designed mogo
PikkuKiusa [3k\]: I am a bit jealous]
WL[40]OW[10];B[lf]BL[40]OB[9];W[mf]
C[teytaud [?\]: iromi coulum is not the engineer who designed mogo \
:-)
SunnyD [2d\]: please ban all the coffee talk...
royalty [3d\]: cut like a pro
MXHero [-\]: w is trying to trick b i think, and i can't see how \
:)
shesck [17k\]: the comp cant win a real pro
AmerBeton [11k\]: go cut
rich [10k\]: please do not mention juice drinks with less than \
2% juice
WinPooh [2k\]: let's start green tea talk]
WL[40]OW[10];B[mg]BL[40]OB[9];W[mh]
C[shesck [17k\]: he cant simulate all moves
Dagurasu [17k\]: opps spoke to soon
Wolverest [12k?\]: lol he knew he was gonna cut
WinPooh [2k\]: or better a beer talk :)
shesck [17k\]: lol
shesck [17k\]: if i were a boy
shesck [17k\]: lol]
WL[40]OW[10];B[ng]
C[Dagurasu [17k\]: well there is a second mogo which can read 230,000 \
moves ahead]
BL[40]OB[9];W[nh]
C[shesck [17k\]: wow
Dagurasu [17k\]: ya
rich [10k\]: ouch
Dagurasu [17k\]: its called MoGoDuo
BlitzOff [10k\]: a good computer would use his opponents time \
to read ahead
MGoldfain [10k\]: LOL
shesck [17k\]: omg
shesck [17k\]: wow
royalty [3d\]: it does
jungle [1d\]: Jimmah!!!
skwalas [11k\]: so it can read 230,000 moves ahead.  can it pick \
the best mov?]
WL[40]OW[10];B[qm]
C[toshio989 [-\]: and how many years does that take him?
royalty [3d\]: argh
Locks [5k\]: the question is how long do those 230,00 moves take?
PikkuKiusa [3k\]: 230 000 moves is not much
TrippinOne [17k?\]: 40 seconds
shesck [17k\]: ?
rich [10k\]: I doubt I've even played 230,000 moves
fringd [1k\]: q3?
Dagurasu [17k\]: lets see you read 100 moves ahead]
BL[40]OB[9];W[nc]
C[jungle [1d\]: if mogo read 230 000 i read 230 001
MGoldfain [10k\]: Move 230,000 is a pass.
HornedFrog [10k\]: I can't read...
AmerBeton [11k\]: p14 ?
PikkuKiusa [3k\]: average chess computer reads 3 million moves \
per second
shesck [17k\]: whhat!?
MXHero [-\]: lol moves 300-230000 are all passes :P
wayward [1k\]: what is an "average chess computer"?  They make \
those still?]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[hr]
C[BlitzOff [10k\]: well, chess...
Troff [?\]: Remember the computer has to read almost all moves, \
even the senseless ones. It can't automatically filter them to \
a few good choices like a person
skwalas [11k\]: it's probably a heavily truncated move tree
WinPooh [2k\]: Deep Blue was capable of 200 millions nodes per \
sec
Snowcone [-\]: that's not true
PikkuKiusa [3k\]: averega is average
ChoMama [-\]: 3 million? what does it do read 1 million moves \
3 times each?
toshio989 [-\]: unfortunately average chess computer i no match \
for average baseball bat
Oxycodone [14k\]: the bot is probably going to do JUST enough \
to win
AmerBeton [11k\]: lol
Oxycodone [14k\]: play it safe in the mean time
Dagurasu [17k\]: sorry 230,000 simulations/moves
Snowcone [-\]: the search tree is pruned]
BL[40]OB[9];W[oq]
C[AmerBeton [11k\]: b is just making a huge moyo bottom
wayward [1k\]: B fails at cashing moyo
wayward [1k\]: look at the top
PikkuKiusa [3k\]: computer reads all lines
hangara [3d\]: n4
petition [7k?\]: I wonder how i'll feel when computers beat humans \
at go]
WL[40]OW[10];B[pq]
C[Cail [2k\]: this doesn't even look like a handicap game anymore
Dagurasu [17k\]: and yes Remi Coulom contributed greatly to the \
MoGo project
shesck [17k\]: r7 q10 n10 
fghhf: white already ahead unless black can keep his moyo
Hussein [?\]: Same way I felt when computers beat everyone at \
chess petition
Zahlman [1k\]: huh? looks a lot like handicap to me
AmerBeton [11k\]: p4
petition [7k?\]: how was that?]
BL[40]OB[9];W[op]
C[MXHero [-\]: how did you feel, hussein?
Hussein [?\]: I started playing go
youth [4k\]: no p14?
eboesch [1k\]: Dagurasu, teytaud is part of the Mogo team
rich [10k\]: just the time to start taking up mancala, I suppose
ChoMama [-\]: petition, when computers can beat the best human \
at go, there will still be humans who can beat you and visa-versa. \
why worry about it?
Zahlman [1k\]: looks like a handicap game where w will pwn, but \
like handicap in terms of the shapes
toshio989 [-\]: hah hussein you're funny
AmerBeton [11k\]: n5]
WL[40]OW[10];B[oo]
C[MXHero [-\]: is there a more complicated game we can all run to \
if computers take over?
MGoldfain [10k\]: Mogo will keep its moyo, if it has enough mojo.]
BL[40]OB[9];W[pr]
C[shesck [17k\]: lol
Zahlman [1k\]: MX, we just increase the board size
rich [10k\]: MX = mancala
petition [7k?\]: I just don't like robots...
HornedFrog [10k\]: is it possible to make mogo play himself? like \
the movie war games?
shesck [17k\]: n4  wjote
Mogadishu [7k\]: it would be suicide
wayward [1k\]: watch less Terminator and read more Stanislav Lem \
;)
shesck [17k\]: N4 white
Zahlman [1k\]: "mancala" describes a lot of possible games though \
doesn't it? and the ones I saw seemed quite simple]
WL[40]OW[10];B[np]
C[Locks [5k\]: the problem is, even though mogo can read 230k moves \
ahead, there are 2.08168199382×10^170 legal positions...
wayward [1k\]: or Strugatsky bros]
BL[40]OB[9];W[or]
C[AmerBeton [11k\]: ouch
royalty [3d\]: zahlman, the tournaments will be quite a headache \
with 30x30 board
PikkuKiusa [3k\]: locks it can not be 230k moves
TrippinOne [17k?\]: hmmm wonder if you developed a game with similar \
rules to go but added another set of stone colors
wayward [1k\]: that must be what beerslayer is preparing for
rich [10k\]: 34x34
raymeo [1d\]: does that number includes ko
ChoMama [-\]: beerslayer will be ready for it, tho  ;-)
Zahlman [1k\]: royalty, this is true, but complexity comes at \
the price of longer games no matter what :/
petition [7k?\]: I was into the transhumanist thing when I was \
younger, but now it just seems to ignore what makes life good]
WL[40]OW[10];B[lr]
C[AmerBeton [11k\]: loooooooool
royalty [3d\]: go mogo go, kill
Zahlman [1k\]: trippinone, it's quite commonly thought of]
BL[40]OB[9];W[po]
C[Zahlman [1k\]: raymeo, he said positions, not games...
Snowcone [-\]: Blizzard Entertainment introduces Starqi, the game \
that the whole family can enjoy?
raymeo [1d\]: ah i c
shesck [17k\]: lol
Snowcone [-\]: Nuclear Tesuji detected....]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[qo]
C[AmerBeton [11k\]: lol]
BL[40]OB[9];W[pn]
C[Zahlman [1k\]: so I don't see that ko matters much, unless you \
want to count "(super)ko ban" as a state for a board point
MXHero [-\]: lol i'd play that
toshio989 [-\]: yay mogo
Zahlman [1k\]: snowcone, more like world of weiqi
royalty [3d\]: i'm not convinced by mogo's strategy here
AmerBeton [11k\]: r6?
rich [10k\]: NoWeiqi]
WL[40]OW[10];B[on]
C[shesck [17k\]: r4 
shesck [17k\]: then black
shesck [17k\]: r3 
toshio989 [-\]: 230k moves ahead and he is still blind
shesck [17k\]: then whie
shesck [17k\]: r6 
Dagurasu [17k\]: q7]
BL[40]OB[9];W[pm]
C[shesck [17k\]: what?!
shesck [17k\]: lol
BlitzOff [10k\]: yose = mogo at its strongest correct?
PikkuKiusa [3k\]: I would really like to know what that simulation \
is
rich [10k\]: white seems to be listening to Dagu
Zahlman [1k\]: shesck, if r6, s6 q7 q6 is a ladder
Snowcone [-\]: anyone running mogo?
AmerBeton [11k\]: q8
fringd [1k\]: blitzoff, yeah
Dagurasu [17k\]: r4 
Snowcone [-\]: can tell us the win %
shesck [17k\]: i c]
WL[40]OW[10];B[pl]BL[40]OB[9];W[om]
C[toshio989 [-\]: in mogo's simulations he is unbeatable
Dagurasu [17k\]: what is nutngo doing
rich [10k\]: winning
petition [7k?\]: going for blood
wayward [1k\]: letting Mogo take the corner
shesck [17k\]: lol
Zahlman [1k\]: running a loose ladder long enough to make it not \
work
PikkuKiusa [3k\]: still mogo must be reading some billion moves \
per second
AmerBeton [11k\]: hane
fghhf: black already lost atm
Locks [5k\]: my point is, 230K out of that really big number that \
i put up is pretty small, so the strength has to come from how \
it decides which possibilities to try first
shesck [17k\]: really?]
WL[40]OW[10];B[nm]
C[MXHero [-\]: yeah black is totally ruined
burtabel [3d\]: q8 seemed fatal]
BL[40]OB[9];W[ol]
C[PikkuKiusa [3k\]: locks it is not 230k
Dagurasu [17k\]: oh i mean mogo, what is he doing continuing a \
lader which is flawed
PikkuKiusa [3k\]: way too small
Sampi [2k\]: r6 ?
Zahlman [1k\]: locks, right now it comes from the same theory \
that lets us perform accurate polling
AmerBeton [11k\]: r6
rich [10k\]: accurate polling?]
WL[40]OW[10];B[nl]
C[PikkuKiusa [3k\]: any computer reads 230k moves per second
PikkuKiusa [3k\]: mogo is much stronger
Zahlman [1k\]: pikku, it plays and scores 230k games per second
AmerBeton [11k\]: r6
SunnyD [2d\]: W oops
Dagurasu [17k\]: p9]
BL[40]OB[9];W[qn]
C[shesck [17k\]: haha
PikkuKiusa [3k\]: must be wrong
Dagurasu [17k\]: what
Zahlman [1k\]: with random play in those games
PikkuKiusa [3k\]: 230k is nothing
Zahlman [1k\]: this is fine, dagu... the two ends are miai
Dagurasu [17k\]: he must be malfunctioning
PikkuKiusa [3k\]: aah games
wayward [1k\]: remember, 640k should be enough for everyone]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[rn]BL[40]OB[9];W[ok]
C[MGoldfain [10k\]: lol
AmerBeton [11k\]: looooooooooool
petition [7k?\]: serious cuts...
skwalas [11k\]: cuts alllllll over the place
klouk [13k\]: that does not look optimal for black
Zahlman [1k\]: yeah, even making every move randomly, knowing \
when the game is done and scoring it is computationally expensive
AmerBeton [11k\]: b got to many ajis
MXHero [-\]: pretty good example of what thin means o.O
toshio989 [-\]: its a trap mogo!!!!!!
MGoldfain [10k\]: mogo is looking suicidal
toshio989 [-\]: don't do it!!!!!!!
Zahlman [1k\]: toshio = admiral ada?]
WL[40]OW[10];B[oj]
C[rich [10k\]: so many double ataris
Dagurasu [17k\]: q9 o10 o11 p11 n11 p10 ok  it's safe
AmerBeton [11k\]: loooooooooool]
BL[40]OB[9];W[nk]
C[fghhf: mogo playing despred like always when it is losing
MXHero [-\]: oh dear lord
Dagurasu [17k\]: nope see
WinPooh [2k\]: 230k of _wrong_ moves or 230k of _right_ moves, \
that is the question
toshio989 [-\]: mogo is commiting major suicide
Dagurasu [17k\]: i was right the first time
Zahlman [1k\]: despred? o_O you mean desperate maybe
eboesch [1k\]: Zahlman -- using tromp-taylor or variants, which \
they do, scoring is easy, and the game is done when there are \
no more non-eye-filling moves left]
WL[40]OW[10];B[mk]BL[40]OB[9];W[pk]
C[SunnyD [2d\]: this is a tarp
Zahlman [1k\]: eb, sure, but it's still a lot of calculations \
to do
royalty [3d\]: you fools, mogo is killing the above group, dont \
think mogo would make any vulgar mistakes
rich [10k\]: I hate tarps
BlitzOff [10k\]: is everyone a computer wizz here, sheesh...
ketchup [4k\]: n5
Zahlman [1k\]: just playing a move is a fair amount of calculation \
to update data structures and figure out what is captured
Dagurasu [17k\]: whoops, mabey i should stop talking so sone
TrippinOne [17k?\]: it plays reactionary that most computer tho]
WL[40]OW[10];B[ql]
C[Locks [5k\]: they're usefull around leaf pickup season]
BL[40]OB[9];W[qk]
C[Zahlman [1k\]: I'm not surprised that for all the billions of \
clock cycles, only 230k games can be worked out
wayward [1k\]: so far, Mogo has shown a stunning display of a \
lack of any consistent strategy
Wolverest [12k?\]: no everyone is talkin about basic computer \
knowlegde here
MXHero [-\]: wayward, let's just call that flexible :)
Zahlman [1k\]: I wonder how carefully optimized the code is, though...]
WL[40]OW[10];B[rk]
C[rich [10k\]: SE is being rather nice to black]
BL[40]OB[9];W[qj]
C[Locks [5k\]: so, if mogo can read 230L moves ahead per second... \
how do you explain this?
Zahlman [1k\]: or for that matter, what mogo is using for an RNG
bobo [15k\]: what is se?
Pizat19 [3k\]: jesus, its like watching a car accident, i cant \
stop watching
Locks [5k\]: K*
MXHero [-\]: there's very many more than 230k moves?
tywin [2d\]: B has clearly mastered the "cut first, think later" \
proverb.
bobo [15k\]: what is SE?
Zahlman [1k\]: locks, it is not reading 230k moves ahead, because \
the game won't last that long.]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[qi]
C[PikkuKiusa [3k\]: locks learn to read
rich [10k\]: score estimator
royalty [3d\]: hahaha
wayward [1k\]: MX: perhaps what I'm trying to say is that it can't \
seem to make up its "mind" if it wants this or that, when push \
comes to shove
bobo [15k\]: where do i find that ?
Dagurasu [17k\]:  r7 r8 q8  now permenentmly alive
wayward [1k\]: it just keeps playing midpoint moves
BlitzOff [10k\]: data structures and optimized code is not basic
rich [10k\]: under "options"
bobo [15k\]: thx
MXHero [-\]: yes, i'm just trying to be nice to mogo; i agree \
with you
Zahlman [1k\]: It is playing 230k games, making random moves in \
each game until it gets to the small endgame, and scoring. Then \
picking the first move which leads to the best games on average.]
BL[40]OB[9];W[rl]
C[Zahlman [1k\]: At least, that's a very rough description
pandanny [5k\]: H2 alive?
pandanny [5k\]: k2?
Zahlman [1k\]: I assume it has code to play the small endgame \
properly
maszrum [-\]: where does this 230k value come from?
maszrum [-\]: should be more
Dagurasu [17k\]: MXHero me?
AmerBeton [11k\]: s10
Zahlman [1k\]: mas, from the amount of computational power that \
is available.
WinPooh [2k\]: Like Monte-Carlo analysis mode in Rybka
Locks [5k\]: i heard it somewhere earlier in the chat
rich [10k\]: K2 will be alive at the end of the game]
WL[40]OW[10];B[rm]
C[Pizat19 [3k\]: oh hes gonna make him live in gote when he takes \
s5 lol, and then play somewhere else]
BL[40]OB[9];W[rj]
C[Pizat19 [3k\]: smart, take that computer
Zahlman [1k\]: The reason why it is that low *is exactly what \
we have just been explaining the last several minutes*.
Dagurasu [17k\]: yes h-2 is alive
toshio989 [-\]: Mogo does read 230k moves ahead, but for some \
reason all those moves seem to lead to W+100
Sampi [2k\]: s4 already!
wayward [1k\]: Number 5 alive
maszrum [-\]: mogo does 20k simulations on a pc]
WL[40]OW[10];B[nj]
C[maszrum [-\]: 20k simulations per second
MGoldfain [10k\]: Geez.  What if W keeps squandering all of the \
cut points?
Zahlman [1k\]: yeah, the available hardware then is ~12x as powerful
fringd [1k\]: o6
maszrum [-\]: at least
Wolverest [12k?\]: s5?
youth [4k\]: s5 now?]
BL[40]OB[9];W[ro]
C[katori15 [5k\]: 20kyu sim do not add up to much ☺
Wolverest [12k?\]: lol
bobo [15k\]: r4
gofan1234 [12k\]: how much moves per simulation?
PikkuKiusa [3k\]: b is a genius
ketchup [4k\]: n5 from mogo then
kevinwm [3k\]: ya wolverest
Zahlman [1k\]: it's not some ridiculous supercomputer that they \
have, just something ibm felt like donating I thought...
ketchup [4k\]: then white take top but is it enough?
AmerBeton [11k\]: connect
maszrum [-\]: 640 cores is more than 12x PC's
wayward [1k\]: what
aware [2k\]: its a lot more powerful... question is how good mogo \
scales 
royalty [3d\]: p14
Pizat19 [3k\]: hope B doesnt die in gote here...]
WL[40]OW[10];B[ri]
C[rich [10k\]: 640 crores? is that in rupees?]
BL[40]OB[9];W[sk]
C[wayward [1k\]: what PC has 50 cores lol
AmerBeton [11k\]: s4
Zahlman [1k\]: wait, this think has that many cores? o_O
wayward [1k\]: though you'll have to buy one of those for Windows \
8
Zahlman [1k\]: thing*
eromes [6k\]: many super computers have lots of core :)]
WL[40]OW[10];B[rp]
C[Zahlman [1k\]: and this should be a very parallel kind of algorithm...
wayward [1k\]: no, maszrum said 640 cores is more than 12 pcs]
BL[40]OB[9];W[qp]
C[MXHero [-\]: well mogo
MXHero [-\]: mogo's cores are slowly dying away :(
aware [2k\]: this one has 3328*2 cores: http://www.itjungle.com/tlb/tlb071508-story02.html \
... on 640 cpus of it mogo is running:)
Dagurasu [17k\]: white is now alive
wayward [1k\]: it is parallel, but now we see how bad the strength \
scales with computing power
Pizat19 [3k\]: whites been alive
Wolverest [12k?\]: blacks dead at bottom now right
BlitzOff [10k\]: on the others?
BlitzOff [10k\]: lol]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[qq]
C[Pizat19 [3k\]: black is totally dead bottom right yes
toshio989 [-\]: 640 and only one result... W+Res
Sampi [2k\]: this clearly doesnt work
AmerBeton [11k\]: t5
hangara [3d\]: not so clearly
petition [7k?\]: o6 now? or still too soon]
BL[40]OB[9];W[rq]
C[tywin [2d\]: Yeah... b's not doing so well.
Dagurasu [17k\]: t6 
Zahlman [1k\]: wayward, what I'm wondering is why the simulation \
count is that low if there are that many cores
Sampi [2k\]: i think its pretty clear
fghhf: to easy
Dagurasu [17k\]: what
AmerBeton [11k\]: i'd play t6
Mogadishu [7k\]: mogo started well...but fizzled out
Zahlman [1k\]: but I don't have it confirmed that there are that \
many cores either
wayward [1k\]: ah, gotcha
goslow [13k\]: Would you like me to sing you a song Dr. Chandra \
?
Zahlman [1k\]: mogadishu, that is how handicap games work
hangara [3d\]: not so much
wayward [1k\]: 230k games is... not much]
WL[40]OW[10];B[qr]BL[40]OB[9];W[rr]
C[royalty [3d\]: it tends to lose composure kyuishly if it thinks \
it is behind, too
AmerBeton [11k\]: lol
Mogadishu [7k\]: well this looks like a fizzllee
eromes [6k\]: it's a lot o.o' considering how many possibilities \
there are per move then multiply by each of next move
hkg [9k\]: but will the white in the middle all dead?]
WL[40]OW[10];B[jh]
C[AmerBeton [11k\]: omg
toshio989 [-\]: lol
Locks [5k\]: O.o
Locks [5k\]: mogotimesuji?
toshio989 [-\]: rofl
klouk [13k\]: NOOOOO
tywin [2d\]: Wow... hoping for opponent's mistake.
BlitzOff [10k\]: mogo is funny
royalty [3d\]: awesome move
fghhf: love that trick
Dagurasu [17k\]: is anyone able to play MoGo
Sampi [2k\]: m11 ?
Zahlman [1k\]: surely a sign of impending resignation
rich [10k\]: K12 inscrutable
WinPooh [2k\]: is O6 a serious cut threat here?]
BL[40]OB[9];W[li]
C[Dagurasu [17k\]: or is he like off limits
tywin [2d\]: Almost like the only variation it didn't simulate \
is the one where w does the obvious and captures...
pandanny [5k\]: creating ko threats
carbon729 [3d\]: time suji....
Pizat19 [3k\]: mogo likes to make sure its opponent is still alive \
before it resigns
MXHero [-\]: lol tywin
royalty [3d\]: well, there were lots of variations where w didn't \
respond and he captured
burtabel [3d\]: game over]
WL[40]OW[10];B[kj]BL[40]OB[9];W[ki]
C[royalty [3d\]: so it kinda balances out
toshio989 [-\]: white must be laughing his socks off right now
kuwabarak [7k\]: q11?
Oxycodone [14k\]: im tellin ya the bots going to JUST enough to \
win
Locks [5k\]: the programmers must be in tears right now...
Oxycodone [14k\]: not any more or less
youth [4k\]: black p14 doesn't work?
AmerBeton [11k\]: l12
tywin [2d\]: It doesn't sound like pure-random would really be \
the way to go - is there any kind of pruning?]
WL[40]OW[10];B[lh]BL[40]OB[9];W[kh]
C[royalty [3d\]: hah
rich [10k\]: close
Pizat19 [3k\]: the old one two
hkg [9k\]: black p13?
AmerBeton [11k\]: p14
toshio989 [-\]: mogo didn't simulate that
carbon729 [3d\]: eh....
Cail [2k\]: mogo understands despair]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[lo]
C[googlebear [2k\]: it seems likely to be judged as a decent result \
against this competition
fghhf: maybe it will try K3 now
royalty [3d\]: yes, closest to human emotions so far of any bot
BlitzOff [10k\]: mogo has a sense of humor, its saracasm i tell \
you
Zahlman [1k\]: seems hard to figure how to unify uct with standard \
alpha-beta pruning approaches]
BL[40]OB[9];W[qe]
C[Zahlman [1k\]: maybe with some kind of bayesian logic thing?
toshio989 [-\]: mogo is pretending to be stupid, so we don't realize \
it is slowly taking over the world
AmerBeton [11k\]: it's ove
carbon729 [3d\]: so the calculate of mogo is based on "what if \
my opponent doesn't answer my move"?
AmerBeton [11k\]: white win
MGoldfain [10k\]: mogo just wishes he was cappy.  then hed find \
a way out of this.
burtabel [3d\]: carbon: no
peach [2d?\]: who is white?]
WL[40]OW[10];B[qd]
C[rich [10k\]: white is mogo!
AmerBeton [11k\]: a 2p]
BL[40]OB[9];W[re]
C[peach [2d?\]: thx
rich [10k\]: no, sorry
erkkierkki [14k\]: Shih Chin 2p
Dagurasu [17k\]: he is lieing peach
rich [10k\]: shih chin 2p
carbon729 [3d\]: eh...what if....white is mogo....black is 2p
hkg [9k\]: ...
peach [2d?\]: 2p?
peach [2d?\]: thx]
WL[40]OW[10];B[lc]
C[rich [10k\]: 2-dan pro
hkg [9k\]: it is not funny, carbon
tywin [2d\]: Well, yesterday I saw mogo take the better part of \
an hour to actually play out a losing sequence that I considered \
and discarded in about 2 seconds, so I'm not really impressed...
wayward [1k\]: suppose game ends at move (now+100); 230k is about \
10^5, with d=100 the branching factor is less than 3. :)
toshio989 [-\]: hack the system mogo!!!!! change colors!!!!
hirakawade [2d\]: Mogo is a computer ?]
BL[40]OB[9];W[oe]
C[AmerBeton [11k\]: yep
rich [10k\]: no
rich [10k\]: a program
eboesch [1k\]: As royalty said, the bad moves Mogo plays once \
it has fallen behind in a game like this do not reflect its strength \
level
toshio989 [-\]: mogo is THE computer
hirakawade [2d\]: merci
telchar [1d\]: very strong computer
Wolverest [12k?\]: lol
hirakawade [2d\]: d'acc
bobo [15k\]: both reallly
katori15 [5k\]: http://www.cs.unimaas.nl/g.chaslot/muyungwan-mogo/]
WL[40]OW[10];B[ec]
C[Wolverest [12k?\]: ya a program not a computer
bobo [15k\]: im safraid i cant allow nutgo
bobo [15k\]: what are you ding nutgo
burtabel [3d\]: black was doing ok until q8 etc
bobo [15k\]: doing
AmerBeton [11k\]: mogo is actually something like 2/3d]
BL[40]OB[9];W[ed]
C[skwalas [11k\]: in looking at l12 result, it seems mogo was trying \
to force two false eyes.  if the o13 group was in better shape, \
w would be in serious trouble.
bobo [15k\]: its goona go H.a.l  IN A MOMENT
hirakawade [2d\]: Je pense qur blanc gagnera !
rich [10k\]: at move 1, black was ahead by 351
MXHero [-\]: i do not believe he is that strong
telchar [1d\]: blanc est pro
hirakawade [2d\]: que*
skwalas [11k\]: but as it can't tell o13 was dead, it played it \
anyway
LastAngel [11k?\]: nutgo a comp too?
Zahlman [1k\]: lol skwalas
toshio989 [-\]: black was doing well when white hadn't  moved \
yet]
WL[40]OW[10];B[db]
C[fghhf: mis read
MXHero [-\]: nutgo is a 2p]
BL[40]OB[9];W[de]
C[LastAngel [11k?\]: thx
AmerBeton [11k\]: lol
rich [10k\]: nutngo = shih chin 2p
toshio989 [-\]: nutngo is also a computer torturer
Zahlman [1k\]: have these bots actually been tested against amateurs \
in even 19x19 games?]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[cb]
C[wayward [1k\]: 230k games until the end is such a waste of computing \
power
hkg [9k\]: but they have that much to waste..
AmerBeton [11k\]: actually mogo is doin some really weird moves
carbon729 [3d\]: I don't think mogo has 2d/3d on 19x19
wayward [1k\]: reading games to the end is a computing model to \
be abolished and killed with a blunt spoon
carbon729 [3d\]: max 1d...]
BL[40]OB[9];W[eb]
C[AmerBeton [11k\]: mogo won 5p with 9 stones handi
Hussein [?\]: How much is it costing to run mojo per hour?
maszrum [-\]: it was 1k on KGS with 8 cores
Dagurasu [17k\]: white to play m3 m4 o3 n2 o5 
royalty [3d\]: well, device a bot that can plan ahead, see the \
local moves, learn from the ways opponent plays..]
WL[40]OW[10];B[fc]
C[Dagurasu [17k\]: mogo not mojo
maszrum [-\]: it is stronger than 1d for sure]
BL[40]OB[9];W[fb]
C[MXHero [-\]: no, it can't be stronger than 1d on 19x19; it's not \
consistent enough
fghhf: maybe mogo is 17k, looks like they make the same mistakes]
WL[40]OW[10];B[ic]
C[carbon729 [3d\]: I can win a pro 9p giving him 360 handi.....
tywin [2d\]: MX... trust me, dans can be very inconsistent :)]
BL[40]OB[9];W[gc]
C[toshio989 [-\]: lol
Capsule [-\]: so if mogo was running on ∞ cores, would it have \
the strength of 9d?
skwalas [11k\]: at least 2ds...
MXHero [-\]: lol yeah, but not like this
AmerBeton [11k\]: unless mogo losed some battles
Dagurasu [17k\]: 17k who are you talking about fghhf
maszrum [-\]: it can also beat 1p with 6 stones
elementc [12k\]: I make the same mistakes as a 17k. Does that \
make me superior to Mogo?
elementc [12k\]: haha
tywin [2d\]: Capsule, the question is meaningless.
maszrum [-\]: KGS 1d can't
AmerBeton [11k\]: he just need this one to win]
WL[40]OW[10];B[fd]
C[Locks [5k\]: but can you do it with chinese rules carbon?
royalty [3d\]: given infinite time, storage space, mogo might \
be able to play perfect move
wayward [1k\]: so would I.
BlitzOff [10k\]: and energy]
BL[40]OB[9];W[bc]
C[carbon729 [3d\]: sure
Locks [5k\]: ...
Dagurasu [17k\]: fghhf who are you talking about
MXHero [-\]: given infinite time and storage space, brute force \
would do the trick
elementc [12k\]: Wazzup Locks
wayward [1k\]: infinite life, food, sure I'll figure the game \
out
hkg [9k\]: by giving enough $ and time, any pro can make perfect \
move lol
Locks [5k\]: prisoners don't count in chinese rules carbon...
bobo [15k\]: quantuum computing is the next step
toshio989 [-\]: we should have a mogo vs mogo game]
WL[40]OW[10];B[bb]
C[klouk [13k\]: mogo would win
Capsule [-\]: hilarious!
bobo [15k\]: storage by electrons spin states
royalty [3d\]: i dont think there would be any winners
toshio989 [-\]: sadly mogo would lose]
BL[40]OB[9];W[cc]
C[Capsule [-\]: what is mogo's weakness?
toshio989 [-\]: everything
eromes [6k\]: only the power plug :)
tburt [16k\]: water
Wolverest [12k?\]: judgement
MXHero [-\]: lol there's your quantum computing; mogo would win \
and lose
tywin [2d\]: Depending on whether the glass is half empty or half \
full, and how much beer you drink while watching.]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[ac]
C[bobo [15k\]: hiristic logic is its weakness
katori15 [5k\]: seems like cutting points and kou
royalty [3d\]: it doesnt have any guts
BlitzOff [10k\]: and playing gote moves 
elementc [12k\]: heuristic
MXHero [-\]: bobo, i am not sure; humans use heuristics when deciding \
what to play and it seems to work for us
eboesch [1k\]: I would say its weakness is the corners]
BL[40]OB[9];W[ab]
C[Junehog [-\]: imagine--a comp with no guts!
PikkuKiusa [3k\]: wow
PikkuKiusa [3k\]: why a18?
wayward [1k\]: takes libs
bobo [15k\]: it is the ultimate difference in leanring
MXHero [-\]: kills eyespace
Capsule [-\]: i believe it is called a macintosh.
wayward [1k\]: yes
rich [10k\]: ]
WL[40]OW[10];B[hb]
C[Capsule [-\]: think differently.
AmerBeton [11k\]: a16
WaterAndGo [3k\]: go programs are better than you all at yose \
>.>]
BL[40]OB[9];W[gb]
C[MXHero [-\]: go problems are bad at setting up games where that \
yose matters :)
MXHero [-\]: programs*
skwalas [11k\]: well, yeah.  by that time the tree's almost done
wayward [1k\]: this game is maybe almost as good as over?
bobo [15k\]: thats what i meant we use heuristics
tywin [2d\]: You know, I don't think I've seen mogo actually play \
a game out to yose. Mostly too busy resigning.
carbon729 [3d\]: if mogo can run on my cellular phone, It'll be \
funny
bobo [15k\]: but comps are nt so good at it
royalty [3d\]: carbon, in practise it could]
WL[40]OW[10];B[pe]
C[carbon729 [3d\]: but it will be too stupid right?
AmerBeton [11k\]: looooooooooooooooooooool
wayward [1k\]: bobo, saying that a "computer" is good or bad at \
something is like saying that proteins are (or aren't)
wayward [1k\]: i.e. nonsensical :)
WaterAndGo [3k\]: they're just good at yose, and they play bigger \
points before urgent ones, no judgment over the situations :o
BlitzOff [10k\]: carbon, i saw a verson on a iphone once, not \
sure if it was mogo or not
rich [10k\]: proteins are good]
BL[40]OB[9];W[ad]
C[bobo [15k\]: no its just a fact
HornedFrog [10k\]: proteins are good for building muscle, but \
bad for gas
MXHero [-\]: wayward, "water is good at evaporating" has meaning
Junehog [-\]: i'm pro protein myself
wayward [1k\]: but does not apply here
bobo [15k\]: at this momoent in the developmwent of computers
Yxven [1k\]: is mogo perfect at yose even without a supercomputer?
bobo [15k\]: they are weak compared to us]
WL[40]OW[10];B[pf]
C[bobo [15k\]: and this applies directly to startegy games
bobo [15k\]: startegy 
bobo [15k\]: omg
bobo [15k\]: typos
royalty [3d\]: where do you think yose starts?
eromes [6k\]: o.o'' deep blue did beat the best at chess
kevinwm [3k\]: w has evened up the game with ~100 moves left]
BL[40]OB[9];W[of]
C[eromes [6k\]: and that was years ago
toshio989 [-\]: one day when mogo learns to speak he will totally \
get payback for all our trash talk
Zahlman [1k\]: how would you prove perfectness of yose anyway
rich [10k\]: yose moves can be played at any point
HornedFrog [10k\]: the bible predicts the anti-christ will come \
in the form of a go-playing computer program
bobo [15k\]: yes and humans beat progs still to
AmerBeton [11k\]: p13
Dagurasu [17k\]: what did you say fghhf
bobo [15k\]: but before that happened
bobo [15k\]: and you are ionly proving my point
Dagurasu [17k\]: my comp keeps closing
Zahlman [1k\]: hornedfrog, sure thing
bobo [15k\]: we had to teqach hearistic logic to comps]
WL[40]OW[10];B[qf]
C[Wolverest [12k?\]: i would have done p13 for white
tburt [16k\]: chess is easer than go when it comes to mapping \
a bunch of possibilities to the end...]
BL[40]OB[9];W[mr]
C[wayward [1k\]: hearistic? :)
bobo [15k\]: thast what all thos progs did better than the first \
generations
Zahlman [1k\]: wolverest, b can't get out
kevinwm [3k\]: p13 not needed
AmerBeton [11k\]: whaouh
bobo [15k\]: you get the freakin point
bobo [15k\]: deal with the typos
kevinwm [3k\]: if b p13, w p12
AmerBeton [11k\]: white is good at yose 
MXHero [-\]: if you work at it, a person can perfect yose as well; \
it's just a bunch of math at that point
wayward [1k\]: :)
maszrum [-\]: b is ahead, right?
erkkierkki [14k\]: so if there would be player who would always \
make best moves, how many stones todays pros needs as handicap. \
I guess around 3-4 stones]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[lq]
C[eromes [6k\]: well someone did mention "all strategyish games"
eromes [6k\]: Go is special :)
rich [10k\]: strategery
Dagurasu [17k\]: o3 
Capsule [-\]: well iirc Go Seigen did say he could play god with \
3 stones.
toshio989 [-\]: and so is mogo
Zahlman [1k\]: for some reason I thought you said "go is spherical", \
and was struggling to understand that]
BL[40]OB[9];W[qg]
C[Hussein [?\]: SE says black is winning by 6.5 points
wayward [1k\]: God is spherical?
Sampi [2k\]: moves around top right are big
PikkuKiusa [3k\]: s13
wayward [1k\]: actually, probably is
kevinwm [3k\]: Go is spherical..... if you connect the sides
MXHero [-\]: if god were a 3d shape i'd guess he would be a sphere
kevinwm [3k\]: Or toroidal, if you prefer
Zahlman [1k\]: that's toroidal, kevin]
WL[40]OW[10];B[rg]
C[kevinwm [3k\]: no - connect just sides - not top and bottom, and \
you have sphere
eromes [6k\]: well a sphere has infinite number of angles so yeah \
:) it's comparable
kevinwm [3k\]: toroid is both opposite sides]
BL[40]OB[9];W[rd]
C[Zahlman [1k\]: then you have a cylinder missing the ends
BlitzOff [10k\]: I think there is a shere go board accually
Capsule [-\]: argh math...
kevinwm [3k\]: A cyllinder == a sphere
BlitzOff [10k\]: sphere*
Zahlman [1k\]: capsule, math loves you and wants to be your friend
Capsule [-\]: perhaps KGS can help me with my math homework, the \
question asks me to prove the Riemann Hypothesis.
smell [4k\]: what after s17?
rich [10k\]: don't believe it capsule]
WL[40]OW[10];B[rf]
C[kevinwm [3k\]: for very strangely shaped cyllinders
fghhf: about time to resign
Sampi [2k\]: ??
carbon729 [3d\]: such a spherical go board will cost you much....]
BL[40]OB[9];W[qc]
C[kevinwm [3k\]: not to mention the magnetic shells
Sampi [2k\]: if w lives in the corner, b is behind
Zahlman [1k\]: strangest thing sol, just the other night I was \
asked to solve the halting problem
BlitzOff [10k\]: it didnt look expencive, plastic i think
WaterAndGo [3k\]: t18]
WL[40]OW[10];B[pc]
C[wayward [1k\]: and you never stopped, Zahl_
Capsule [-\]: :D]
BL[40]OB[9];W[qb]
C[tburt [16k\]: the magnetice shells might have to be shaped kinda \
like cones, i guess
fghhf: T18 q17 already to mutch of a loss
tburt [16k\]: magnetic*
Zahlman [1k\]: keep on provin'
Sampi [2k\]: argh.. w lived
kuwabarak [7k\]: w q11? oO'
AmerBeton [11k\]: q12
Junehog [-\]: why argh?]
WL[40]OW[10];B[og]
C[wayward [1k\]: I want to see a R. Crumb comic on that theme
eromes [6k\]: at least with that kind of stones you can prevent \
ppl from flipping the table when they lose :)
kevinwm [3k\]: Did he?
wayward [1k\]: keep on provin'
Oxycodone [14k\]: anyone else really want to see the bot win?
Dagurasu [17k\]: mogo feels presured
Junehog [-\]: no
MGoldfain [10k\]: 1d, really?
weirdchess [10k\]: of course i want to see the bot win
Sampi [2k\]: i want to see mogo win
eromes [6k\]: not me - i'm on the human team :)
Zahlman [1k\]: faillll]
BL[40]OB[9];W[ph]
C[Junehog [-\]: no, i want to see it crushed every damn time
Zahlman [1k\]: hu-mans! hu-mans!
Sampi [2k\]: the humans make the bot...
Dagurasu [17k\]: ITS GETING TO HIM AND HE"S MAKING SOME 30k moves
weirdchess [10k\]: im a proponent of the computers in the human \
computer battles
eromes [6k\]: die robot die! :P
Zahlman [1k\]: dagu, pls no caps]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[oh]BL[40]OB[9];W[oi]
C[Sampi [2k\]: pff
Dagurasu [17k\]: um ok, but may i as why, just wondering
kevinwm [3k\]: What's correct response to b q18?
kevinwm [3k\]: t18?
Capsule [-\]: s18
weirdchess [10k\]: t18 looks good
MXHero [-\]: the more humans can do that computers can't, the \
more human culture has meaning imho
kevinwm [3k\]: ah - yes. the one I always forget
Sampi [2k\]: t18 doesnt work]
WL[40]OW[10];B[pi]BL[40]OB[9];W[nf]
C[kevinwm [3k\]: t18 dies
BlitzOff [10k\]: um, computers are our culture though
Zahlman [1k\]: it's typically seen as "yelling", dagurasu, and \
at any rate implies some kind of supposition that what you have \
to say is more important than others, to the extent that it has \
to be made to stand out.
fghhf: t18 not good
rich [10k\]: and all-caps is hard to read
weirdchess [10k\]: q18 t18 how does black kill?]
WL[40]OW[10];B[cr]
C[katori15 [5k\]: t18 p18 
Dagurasu [17k\]: ok]
BL[40]OB[9];W[br]
C[carbon729 [3d\]: w has B13 very big D2 very big
kevinwm [3k\]: no - you missedthe start
kevinwm [3k\]: b q18 w t18 w dies
Sampi [2k\]: im leaving... b clearly lost
kevinwm [3k\]: q18 t18 s19 r19 s18 dead
Dagurasu [17k\]: if i had distracted somebody please forgive me
fghhf: q18 s18 
weirdchess [10k\]: how... b q18 wt18 how does white die?]
WL[40]OW[10];B[rb]
C[kevinwm [3k\]: what? I wasn't paying attention
wayward [1k\]: s19, weird
kevinwm [3k\]: see above weirdcheess
AmerBeton [11k\]: hum
Zahlman [1k\]: weirdcheese :)
AmerBeton [11k\]: it's near to the end but very close
ZenChocobo [5k\]: mmmm cheese
weirdchess [10k\]: hm...
bobo [15k\]: lol]
BL[40]OB[9];W[rc]
C[rich [10k\]: cheese is gooooood
kevinwm [3k\]: Muenster
burtabel [3d\]: kevinwm you should look at that sequence again...
bobo [15k\]: who doesnt like cheese
kevinwm [3k\]: Am I wrong? That's why I was asking...
kevinwm [3k\]: cloned in kgs teaching
Capsule [-\]: q18 t18 s19 r19 t15 t16 s17 t14 s18 is the sequence
wayward [1k\]: yes
bobo [15k\]: the admins here proabably dont like chesses]
WL[40]OW[10];B[pb]BL[40]OB[9];W[sb]
C[masek [-\]: время пить херши
masek [-\]: сушим весла
bobo [15k\]: can we get banned for saying cheeses ?
carbon729 [3d\]: this is just a show game or they are improving \
the program?
bobo [15k\]: lol
IcedEarth [5k\]: ты ещо помниш такое оО
wayward [1k\]: сушиш весла, лол џД]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[qs]
C[masek [-\]: богаче коменты интереснее партия
wayward [1k\]: то сам разумео
burtabel [3d\]: black got unlucky
Zahlman [1k\]: q19 sente :)
eoe [11k\]: what's the % ?
burtabel [3d\]: W replied t18]
BL[40]OB[9];W[rs]
C[bobo [15k\]: how do you get unlucky in a pure game
wayward [1k\]: why are you drying oars, masek?  Is that a phrase? \
:)
masek [-\]: Zoran Hej :)
weirdchess [10k\]: mogo always panics against good moves by opponent
kevinwm [3k\]: was wrong - s19 r19 *t15*
kevinwm [3k\]: there is death in hane
AmerBeton [11k\]: play the ko before the threats ?
jer [5d\]: mogo style is funny]
WL[40]OW[10];B[qo]
C[masek [-\]: it's some kind joke about bad position
Zahlman [1k\]: wayward it means they are out of the water, so... \
some kind of metaphor]
BL[40]OB[9];W[ps]
C[wayward [1k\]: :)
wayward [1k\]: ah, high and dry, makes sense :)
ZenChocobo [5k\]: mogo smacking his forehead
rich [10k\]: doh!
Zahlman [1k\]: o_O
Capsule [-\]: mogo might be a girl
weirdchess [10k\]: t5..]
WL[40]OW[10];B[qp]
C[Q161 [17k\]: lol?]
BL[40]OB[9];W[sp]
C[BlitzOff [10k\]: ...
rich [10k\]: ouch
kevinwm [3k\]: mogo might be a white mouse
carbon729 [3d\]: r4.....
IcedEarth [5k\]: бгг
hkg [9k\]: ...
MGoldfain [10k\]: omg
kevinwm [3k\]: Um - that's funny
AmerBeton [11k\]: ...........
EyeOfDead [6k\]: lol
masek [-\]: is mogo emo ?
royalty [3d\]: takes extra resources to virtualize the forehead
katori15 [5k\]: how mogo has no arms
jer [5d\]: yeah
kevinwm [3k\]: mogo pschizo
carbon729 [3d\]: Bush move
masek [-\]: коменты отжигаемые
AmerBeton [11k\]: mogo took drugs tonight
Capsule [-\]: this is a tesuji, r4 vital point.
ZenChocobo [5k\]: ahha @ bush move
MGoldfain [10k\]: i thought someone said self-atari was a human \
move.
jungle [1d\]: r4 now
HornedFrog [10k\]: I wish my grass was emo so it would cut itself
kevinwm [3k\]: lol
rich [10k\]: Mogodoze
IcedEarth [5k\]: эмо :D
Cail [2k\]: mogo playing timesujis clearly
Cassis0 [4d\]: mogo tricky
Korlon [2k\]: Resign's coming methinks]
WL[40]OW[10];B[ba]
C[wayward [1k\]: clicky tricky
AmerBeton [11k\]: r4... omg
eoe [11k\]: :\\ cluster down?
masek [-\]: я за этим флудом не успевваю
jungle [1d\]: best move ever
Capsule [-\]: actually, better term might be "Nakano move".
weirdchess [10k\]: so much panic..
masek [-\]: :) awesomea
jer [5d\]: gote
kevinwm [3k\]: d19\\
masek [-\]: agin time tesujii
ZenChocobo [5k\]: as tricky as a heart attack
Zahlman [1k\]: b15 :)
kevinwm [3k\]: or g16 firwt
PapaBearx3 [8k\]: mogo had a misclick and wants a undo..lol
Cassis0 [4d\]: j16
rich [10k\]: b13]
BL[40]OB[9];W[be]
C[Wolverest [12k?\]: does white need to respond to that move
carbon729 [3d\]: here come OBAMA move
Wolverest [12k?\]: lol
kevinwm [3k\]: no
ZenChocobo [5k\]: the one that looks good and is yet to be tested?
ZenChocobo [5k\]: i wanna glass of wine
rich [10k\]: (ahem)]
WL[40]OW[10];B[gd]
C[weirdchess [10k\]: pfft hahaha]
BL[40]OB[9];W[hc]
C[kevinwm [3k\]: the one that costs 798 billion points
masek [-\]: интересно сколько надо водки \
выпить чтобы проигрывтаь мого?
Wolverest [12k?\]: if an apple and obama fell from a tree which \
would hit the groung first?
Zahlman [1k\]: zen: furikawari we can believe in
wayward [1k\]: lol @ masek
masek [-\]: иначе перефразирую сколько \
надо водки чтобы профи и мого играли \
на одном уровне
NoKnott [-\]: No politics, please
IcedEarth [5k\]: ыыы
bobo [15k\]: the same time
AmerBeton [11k\]: j18 ?]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[ib]
C[carbon729 [3d\]: eh...eh....]
BL[40]OB[9];W[hd]
C[rich [10k\]: no politics, please, it will confuse the russians
wayward [1k\]: ... .
ZenChocobo [5k\]: how can you ask for no politics in a man vs. \
machine game?
jer [5d\]: lol
EyeOfDead [6k\]: noknott you programmed mogo ?
kevinwm [3k\]: >bangs shoe on laptop<
IcedEarth [5k\]: it will just confuse ones server connection]
WL[40]OW[10];B[id]
C[weirdchess [10k\]: g15 for white
kevinwm [3k\]: h15 then d19?]
BL[40]OB[9];W[fe]
C[kevinwm [3k\]: g15 not so good
Zahlman [1k\]: yes kevin
Zahlman [1k\]: or this way
weirdchess [10k\]: g15 was sente: g15 f15 h15 and white threatened \
f14
kevinwm [3k\]: Why this way? point at e15?
PikkuKiusa [3k\]: no rights for computers
PikkuKiusa [3k\]: no rights for computers
PikkuKiusa [3k\]: no rights for computers]
WL[40]OW[10];B[ge]
C[PikkuKiusa [3k\]: support me]
BL[40]OB[9];W[da]
C[jer [5d\]: L5 to create bugs? :D
masek [-\]: wayward Да ли говорите српски?
wayward [1k\]: masek, да :)
kevinwm [3k\]: hehe - ya
Capsule [-\]: I, for one, support our Mogo overlord.
BlitzOff [10k\]: I would but i dont want to get banned
kevinwm [3k\]: how to play against computers
wayward [1k\]: a len po slovenčinu
kevinwm [3k\]: mogo likely to mess up l5
masek [-\]: леп]
WL[40]OW[10];B[dr]
C[jer [5d\]: a lot of aji, I'm sure w can trick mogo]
BL[40]OB[9];W[bk]
C[carbon729 [3d\]: I wonder if kgs admins can understand russian \
or french.....
kevinwm [3k\]: Nein
burtabel [3d\]: isnt W leading already?
kevinwm [3k\]: ya
PikkuKiusa [3k\]: try your luck
IcedEarth [5k\]: мась это ты на каком спросил?)
weirdchess [10k\]: yeah
Polemil [4k\]: certains comprennent le français
carbon729 [3d\]: w will win for sure
telchar [1d\]: kgs admins can everything
weirdchess [10k\]: white's pwning black
kevinwm [3k\]: by 30
masek [-\]: на сербском]
WL[40]OW[10];B[se]BL[40]OB[9];W[sd]
C[wayward [1k\]: масек добро говори српски \
:)
masek [-\]: я просто если не ленюсь могу \
на любом из западно славянской группы
Miyabiyama [-\]: w already clearly ahead
masek [-\]: по крайней мере читать получается \
ну 80% понимать]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[bj]
C[IcedEarth [5k\]: ну это само собой =)
kevinwm [3k\]: o6?
kevinwm [3k\]: b1?
masek [-\]: хвала ти
wayward [1k\]: спасибо :)
skwalas [11k\]: i knew how to read russian once.  now it's just \
gibberish]
BL[40]OB[9];W[bl]
C[masek [-\]: хвала = спасибо
Q161 [17k\]: thats not russian
kevinwm [3k\]: I knew how to write gibberish once
MGoldfain [10k\]: Didn't B have an opportunity to kill all of \
n12 but let it go?
kevinwm [3k\]: never
masek [-\]: dzieki = дякую = хвала =спасибо]
WL[40]OW[10];B[nb]
C[weirdchess [10k\]: dont think so...
carbon729 [3d\]: if w were 9p....
Zahlman [1k\]: I thought I could speak russian once... then I \
realized I could probably type even faster
wayward [1k\]: дякую је руски?
skwalas [11k\]: spaceebo, = thank you.  looks like russian to \
me,q161
weirdchess [10k\]: the black stones at n13 were never safe, so \
n12 was alive
wayward [1k\]: ďakujem in Slovak
Q161 [17k\]: na kakom yazuike masek?]
BL[40]OB[9];W[nq]
C[MGoldfain [10k\]: p14 could not have saved them?
masek [-\]: nope =) ukranian 
ketchup [4k\]: b13 next
wayward [1k\]: I must remember that
kevinwm [3k\]: nope]
WL[40]OW[10];B[lp]
C[wayward [1k\]: it's all one big pot of words :)
royalty [3d\]: hah
Korlon [2k\]: eh
Zahlman [1k\]: =o]
BL[40]OB[9];W[ls]
C[hkg [9k\]: !!!!
kevinwm [3k\]: L5 then o6?
masek [-\]: yeap   umbrela - зонтик - парасолька \
- parasolka
Stieltjes [5d\]: What's wrong with black N5?]
WL[40]OW[10];B[ks]BL[40]OB[9];W[ms]
C[kevinwm [3k\]: honte
wayward [1k\]: :(  кишобран :D
Zahlman [1k\]: it didn't appeal to b
eromes [6k\]: so ...do russians understand written slovak?
masek [-\]: hehe mogo doing nice at boyomi
masek [-\]: :) no russian does not get slovak :)]
WL[40]OW[10];B[kr]
C[kevinwm [3k\]: w had something]
BL[40]OB[9];W[mc]
C[eromes [6k\]: but they use the same character set do they? o.o'
Zahlman [1k\]: still does
Zahlman [1k\]: hmm b13...
masek [-\]: i am getting because now some language which close \
to western slavic group :)
kevinwm [3k\]: w o6 b o5 w n6 b b8 w L5 and b in troubl
masek [-\]: hehe :)
kevinwm [3k\]: e
wayward [1k\]: a few centuries ago, all Slavs spoke the same language
kevinwm [3k\]: before, anyway]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[bq]
C[wayward [1k\]: well, more than "a few", but anyway]
BL[40]OB[9];W[bs]
C[kevinwm [3k\]: That's where the tower of Babel came from...
katori15 [5k\]: taking the fact of chinese rule and top right \
being dead Mr SE is batting on w
Miyabiyama [-\]: how bad is b3?
youth [4k\]: b3??
masek [-\]: yeap :) 
Stieltjes [5d\]: B3?
Stieltjes [5d\]: lol
kevinwm [3k\]: amazingly bad
kevinwm [3k\]: -2 pts gote
Korlon [2k\]: Forcing white to take a point he wanted anyhow
Stieltjes [5d\]: Mogo's end game is crazy
Miyabiyama [-\]: its sente
Chrille [3k\]: someone said bots were good at yose?]
WL[40]OW[10];B[bp]
C[Miyabiyama [-\]: but loses lots of points]
BL[40]OB[9];W[bo]
C[kevinwm [3k\]: oh - ya
youth [4k\]: maybe mogo playing weird because losing
rich [10k\]: crazy good
doduff [5k?\]: who is playing this time?
maszrum [-\]: they are quite strong at yose
youth [4k\]: so it sees a branch where if white makes mistake \
it wins
Miyabiyama [-\]: i guess youth is right]
WL[40]OW[10];B[ar]BL[40]OB[9];W[ap]
C[hkg [9k\]: ....
Zahlman [1k\]: -3 points I think
AmerBeton [11k\]: zzzzzz
Miyabiyama [-\]: mogo knows hes behind so hes trying things that \
work only if opponent messes up
AmerBeton [11k\]: a3 now ?? :)
ketchup [4k\]: c1 is sente
Zahlman [1k\]: a1 a2 and b3 become w terr when they wouldn't be
IcedEarth [5k\]: бот уже заманался а они бесятся \
=)
fghhf: try L5 trick when it can :\]]
WL[40]OW[10];B[cs]
C[ketchup [4k\]: go go UTS~]
BL[40]OB[9];W[aq]
C[Miyabiyama [-\]: mogo is lucky that as a comp it doesnt know how \
rude this is in face of a strong player
fghhf: *he
Zahlman [1k\]: ketchup, UTS?
IcedEarth [5k\]: utm?
wayward [1k\]: UPS.
rich [10k\]: Urinart tract symptoms
jungle [1d\]: UVS
wayward [1k\]: He's expecting a parcel. :)]
WL[40]OW[10];B[md]
C[AmerBeton [11k\]: when does mogo resign ?
burtabel [3d\]: soon
BlitzOff [10k\]: when its sure its lost
maszrum [-\]: when its winning percentage is less than 20
MGoldfain [10k\]: B bottom looks like 60 points.
Zahlman [1k\]: n18
doduff [5k?\]: N16?
masek [-\]: бот как резиновая женщина все \
терпит
AmerBeton [11k\]: m16]
BL[40]OB[9];W[mb]
C[Stieltjes [5d\]: Can't believe Mogo would have these trick plays \
programmed
Stieltjes [5d\]: lol
Zahlman [1k\]: /me wins
Capsule [-\]: Dinerchstein must have tampered with the database.
doduff [5k?\]: LOL
burtabel [3d\]: they are not programmed explicitly, Stieltjes
AmerBeton [11k\]: omg
Zahlman [1k\]: what database?
doduff [5k?\]: is that whos playing?
AmerBeton [11k\]: mogo is drunk]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[nd]BL[40]OB[9];W[od]
C[Stieltjes [5d\]: Still
Stieltjes [5d\]: Pretty bad
Stieltjes [5d\]: lol
masek [-\]: mogo као гумени жена, све патње
Stieltjes [5d\]: That just lost I dunno how many points
Stieltjes [5d\]: 7 or 8]
WL[40]OW[10];B[oc]
C[AmerBeton [11k\]: like 10pts ?
Shadowrun [10k\]: maybe mogo needs more time to play much better]
BL[40]OB[9];W[ld]
C[Zahlman [1k\]: why isn't w taking b13 or o6 :)
UTDEspy [-\]: Mogo is praying for misplay, but has no concept \
of Scale of misplay. A  complicated highdan L&D and missing an \
atari seem to be about as equal
Miyabiyama [-\]: o6 small gote
FunGoSage [6k\]: what's mogo's rank?]
WL[40]OW[10];B[ma]BL[40]OB[9];W[lb]
C[doduff [5k?\]: I dont think MoGo prays! hahah\\
AmerBeton [11k\]: omg mogo
wayward [1k\]: zomg zmogo
Zahlman [1k\]: o6 not small at move 234 at all
rich [10k\]: L18!
AmerBeton [11k\]: it's becoming worse and worse
Miyabiyama [-\]: i thought o5
MrFofi [2d\]: w b13 big
Miyabiyama [-\]: o6 doesnt work
Stieltjes [5d\]: Should resign it
Stieltjes [5d\]: lol]
WL[40]OW[10];B[la]
C[Stieltjes [5d\]: These tricks are too elementary
IcedEarth [5k\]: походу времени не хватает \
сдачу просчитать
Stieltjes [5d\]: Need high quality tricks]
BL[40]OB[9];W[kb]
C[AmerBeton [11k\]: who has run oracle db on the mogo computer ?
doduff [5k?\]: mogo weird!
doduff [5k?\]: bot confused
masek [-\]: да он как резиновая баба все \
терпит
rich [10k\]: mogote
masek [-\]: бот мога
IcedEarth [5k\]: ыыы бетон атжог
Zahlman [1k\]: w can lose upper right and win]
WL[40]OW[10];B[kd]
C[jungle [1d\]: ыыыыыы
wayward [1k\]: chichichi]
BL[40]OB[9];W[kc]
C[masek [-\]: :)LOL
wayward [1k\]: (that's Slovak)
IcedEarth [5k\]: лол
Wolverest [12k?\]: if white plays b13 mogo will probly resign
UTDEspy [-\]: It plays millions of random games and picks the \
next move that won the most. It's not trying to make GOOD moves, \
it's trying to play highest statistical chance of winning
royalty [3d\]: taking bets on how many moves it takes for mogo \
to resign
rich [10k\]: chi = tea
masek [-\]: я за живые комментарии ,следующая \
партии
Wolverest [12k?\]: 7 more]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[le]
C[eboesch [1k\]: to force b to resign, probably better to kill b19]
BL[40]OB[9];W[ne]
C[masek [-\]: cha - tea (chinese)
Stieltjes [5d\]: So if Mogo is losing it will just hope for mistakes?
skwalas [11k\]: if it's still playing, then it must think it can \
still win
Zahlman [1k\]: ロロ
UTDEspy [-\]: Yes, and it will play moves that leave the most \
chance for mistakes
rich [10k\]: the = tea (french)
UTDEspy [-\]: unfortunately for observers, that often includes \
"Not noticing atari"
Stieltjes [5d\]: Weird
skwalas [11k\]: otherwise the remaining game tree would tell it \
statistically, it's lost
wayward [1k\]: чај
Capsule [-\]: Mogo will resign on move 252.]
WL[40]OW[10];B[bq]BL[40]OB[9];W[bp]
C[hirakawade [2d\]: +80 more white ?
AmerBeton [11k\]: ?????
doduff [5k?\]: ????????????????????????/
Hagios [3k\]: Mogo 30k now
rich [10k\]: I thought mogo was good at yose
Chrille [3k\]: s19
maszrum [-\]: it is
royalty [3d\]: mogo is ok at yose if it is winning
Wolverest [12k?\]: its behind thats y its playin bad]
WL[40]OW[10])
