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GM[1]FF[4]VW[]AP[Many Faces of Go version 12.001]
SZ[19]
HA[3]
ST[0]
PB[Mogo]
PW[nutngo]
DT[2009-02-11]
PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
KM[0.5]
TM[2400]
RU[Chinese]
RE[W+Resign]
C[Mogo [-\]: GTP Engine for Mogo (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll \
resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you \
passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some \
stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will \
agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have \
not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play \
until the end :'( (very rare cases)]
CA[UTF-8];B[pd]BL[2399.434];B[dp]BL[2399.249];B[pp]BL[2399.034];W[de]WL[2386.077];B[kq]BL[2387.239];W[qj]WL[2366.907];B[qg]BL[2371.476];W[qn]WL[2352.519]
;B[hq]BL[2361.372];W[nc]WL[2336.186];B[lc]BL[2350.079];W[ne]WL[2322.521];B[ic]
C[CHOWstyle [3k\]: only 3 handi?]
BL[2338.12];W[pb]WL[2311.898];B[ng]
C[chipper [-\]: Black is MoGo. White is Professor Chen-Wen Dong \
(70-years-old, 5D). Komi=0.5]
BL[2325.688];W[of]WL[2293.54];B[og]BL[2312.696];W[pf]WL[2282.942]
;B[pg]BL[2299.074];W[ld]WL[2266.566];B[kd]BL[2284.694];W[le]WL[2255.388];B[mc]BL[2269.752];W[md]WL[2240.132];B[nb]BL[2254.436];W[oc]WL[2230.395];B[ql]BL[2238.659];W[oj]WL[2218.03]
;B[pn]
C[NemoEimi [?\]: cool, finally we will see mogo getting slaughtered \
with only three handi :)]
BL[2222.136];W[qo]WL[2203.163];B[po]BL[2204.718];W[cn]WL[2194.551];B[qm]BL[2186.937];W[qp]WL[2183.27];B[qq]BL[2168.88];W[rq]
C[jungle [1d\]: 5d pro?]
WL[2172.561];B[rn]BL[2149.794];W[ro]
C[lose100 [2k\]: what system is mogo running on?
maxoux [5k\]: whats mogo level?]
WL[2149.946]
;B[so]
C[jungle [1d\]: t5]
BL[2130.074];W[rp]WL[2143.005];B[pq]
C[royu [5d\]: w is 5d taiwanese? 
elder [-\]: jungle it's 5D not 5P]
BL[2109.597];W[rm]
C[jungle [1d\]: ok
jungle [1d\]: t7
maxoux [5k\]: he calls himself a professor...]
WL[2133.516];B[rl]
C[elder [-\]: lol, he is professor]
BL[2088.679];W[sn]
C[maxoux [5k\]: of what?
Q161 [19k\]: professor is not the same as professional]
WL[2123.365];B[pj]
C[SteelyDan [6k\]: thanks Q]
BL[2066.809];W[pk]
C[Q161 [19k\]: glad to help 
jiva [1k\]: haha ;)]
WL[2108.277];B[pi]
C[maxoux [5k\]: youd expect a professor to be pro...]
BL[2044.652];W[qk]
C[elder [-\]: -_-
Q161 [19k\]: not sure why you think that
jungle [1d\]: -_-
SteelyDan [6k\]: why? he is not a go professor
jiva [1k\]: professhionor?
shodansoon [6d?\]: those who cant do, teach
karasu [3d\]: 5d kgs]
WL[2100.789]
;B[pm]
C[jiva [1k\]: lol
Adaron [11k\]: I've never played any other game where the amateurs \
are so obsessed over pros
jungle [1d\]: ugly move
jungle [1d\]: whats that]
BL[2021.959];W[nk]
C[jiva [1k\]: lower right is alive i hope
jiva [1k\]: otherwise sad day for humans
jungle [1d\]: s2]
WL[2087.989];B[lj]
C[che [-\]: sure its alive
maxoux [5k\]: looks very alive]
BL[1998.658];W[mi]
C[Sampi [2k\]: t8 t4 s2 t7 ... so w alive
jungle [1d\]: s2 sente]
WL[2073.02];B[mj]
C[maxoux [5k\]: obvious]
BL[1974.857];W[ni]
C[Sampi [2k\]: maybe its better to do s2 t4]
WL[2064.304];B[lh]
C[Sampi [2k\]: i mean, its better s2 first
Sampi [2k\]: the point is w lives]
BL[1949.683];W[li]WL[2036.603];B[ki]BL[1924.535];W[mh]WL[2024.61]
;B[mg]BL[1898.805];W[kh]WL[2016.415];B[lg]BL[1872.42];W[kj]WL[2008.787];B[ji]BL[1845.624];W[kk]
C[che [-\]: i don't like computer-Go
Jonii [1d\]: For one simple reason, it]
WL[1999.649];B[jg]
C[Adaron [11k\]: is way too
Jonii [1d\]: It's easy to distinguish human and computer]
BL[1818.156];W[qf]
C[Sampi [2k\]: its easy because humans are emotional
jungle [1d\]: -_-
Adaron [11k\]: and often times get]
WL[1986.392];B[lm]
C[Jonii [1d\]: computers think only about one move. They don't plan \
ahead :P
Sampi [2k\]: you can play aggressively at a super fast rate and \
the other person will get mad]
BL[1789.624];W[ml]
C[Sampi [2k\]: a program wont
llook [?\]: if MoGo was a person, how would you describe it's \
style or personality?]
WL[1973.993]
;B[mm]
C[che [-\]: and the machines have more weird fuseki
maxoux [5k\]: nice guy
Sampi [2k\]: undecicive]
BL[1760.706];W[ik]
C[Adaron [11k\]: wankster
jungle [1d\]: MoGo is emotional
maszrum [-\]: blood thirsty
llook [?\]: hmm :)
maxoux [5k\]: he cries sometimes...]
WL[1958.272];B[ke]
C[che [-\]: how came the name 'MoGo'
llook [?\]: Monte Carlo Go
Sampi [2k\]: btw, Jonni: computers plan way ahead]
BL[1730.945];W[dj]
C[che [-\]: ah
llook [?\]: because breakfast says every Go player has a style
NemoEimi [?\]: computers "plan" to the end of the game, though \
very randomly ;)
Jonii [1d\]: Sampi, they ignore all their previous plans at the \
moment opponent makes their move :P]
WL[1943.677];B[dn]
C[HornedFrog [10k\]: anyone else see the sexual humor in the name \
nutngo? or am I just perverted?
llook [?\]: so i was curious about MoGo's style
Sampi [2k\]: s2 is too small now?]
BL[1700.974];W[dm]
C[Adaron [11k\]: 2
che [-\]: MoGo's style is machine-like then]
WL[1930.084];B[cm]
C[llook [?\]: so there is no human word for it?
mmueller [4d?\]: s2 can wait as a ko threat for a while
jungle [1d\]: HornyFrog]
BL[1669.9];W[co]
C[HiwaKaoru [14k\]: calculatin. . .
che [-\]: machine-like seems to me like an human word
llook [?\]: sorry human characterization
weirdchess [11k\]: is s2 even a threat?  how does black kill if \
white ignores s2?
HornedFrog [10k\]: hahaha. I guess I was the only one who thought \
that jungle]
WL[1915.906];B[do]
C[llook [?\]: che
NemoEimi [?\]: mogos style is to win by 0.5, if possible
mmueller [4d?\]: t8
Sampi [2k\]: che, as opposed to machine words?]
BL[1638.834];W[cp]
C[weirdchess [11k\]: t8 t4
weirdchess [11k\]: then t7...
Adaron [11k\]: beep beep boop bop beep
NemoEimi [?\]: but not by more, because this would humiliate the \
opponent
weirdchess [11k\]: ok nvm i'm stupid
che [-\]: arbitrary?
jungle [1d\]: damn]
WL[1903.039]
;B[cq]
C[jungle [1d\]: horned frogs really exist
Shanti [2k\]: what's the problem with humiliating the opponent \
?]
BL[1608.223];W[bq]
C[Sampi [2k\]: t8 r2, right?
barbar [2d\]: yep
HornedFrog [10k\]: are you asking? they do if you are]
WL[1889.277];B[bp]
C[HornedFrog [10k\]: it's my college's mascot
weirdchess [11k\]: i dont think it has to do with humiliating \
the opponent - i think mogo knows it has moves to spare if it \
fills in its own territory, so it does so when its worried that \
dead stones may not be totally dead]
BL[1576.418];W[bo]
C[jungle [1d\]: i wasnt
nutngo3: how came the name 'MoGo'--->  cos Magic(Chinese sound \
like MO)]
WL[1876.75];B[br]
C[barbar [2d\]: how strong is this coputer program? 1d?
mmueller [4d?\]: b4 bad]
BL[1545.071];W[ap]
C[llook [?\]: do they always use 800 cores for these games?
maxoux [5k\]: french bot
Sampi [2k\]: babra, some people say its 3d in 9x9
llook [?\]: or is it 640 cores?]
WL[1866.693];B[em]
C[weirdchess [11k\]: its estimated at about 2d with a top-level \
processor, but i dont know what computer its hooked up to now]
BL[1513.81];W[dl]WL[1858.461];B[el]BL[1482.229];W[cl]
C[barbar [2d\]: so is this the top level program right now?
NemoEimi [?\]: in 9x9, on a supercomputer mogo is way stronger \
than amateur 3d
Euphorie [-\]: dual opteron? = 8 cores maybe]
WL[1848.205]
;B[ol]
C[llook [?\]: only 8 cores?]
BL[1450.629];W[ok]
C[Euphorie [-\]: maybe 2 or 3 computer in parallel]
WL[1836.848];B[hl]
C[HornedFrog [10k\]: or maybe 10 pro go players locked in a box....]
BL[1419.584];W[jm]
C[Euphorie [-\]: there should be an article about that
ItsaBadDay [11k\]: generally for these exhibits, mogo runs on \
a grape (multiple computers that runs in parallel to be simple)
Shanti [2k\]: lol
carbon729 [3d\]: H8 seems a bad idea...
llook [?\]: and just 6 stones handi. but they used 800 cores against \
MyungWan. then they must have again significantly improved the \
algorithm]
WL[1827.232];B[jn]
C[Violence [?\]: H8 is weird
Euphorie [-\]: 800 cores really oO
Euphorie [-\]: waw
llook [?\]: sorry 3 stones handi]
BL[1388.709];W[im]
C[maszrum [-\]: 640
llook [?\]: thanks maszrum
egor10257 [16k\]: what if creators of MoGo will write application \
for ditributed calculations
llook [?\]: i was already wondering :)]
WL[1812.575];B[hn]
C[egor10257 [16k\]: i.e. - millions of computers will play simultaneously]
BL[1357.204];W[in]
C[che [-\]: w is pro?
Euphorie [-\]: they write mogo and mogo will write about the distributed \
calculation ;)
alter [1d?\]: they think of this and explained so far it is not \
usable
llook [?\]: w is 1p they say
che [-\]: ok
karasu [3d\]: 1p?]
WL[1803.491];B[io]
C[maszrum [-\]: w is amateur 5d
Euphorie [-\]: mogo's falling apart
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: 5 d amateur?]
BL[1326.048];W[dc]
C[NemoEimi [?\]: w is 5D they say
weirdchess [11k\]: mogo would not take only 3 stones against a \
1p - white is 5d amateur
karasu [3d\]: not pro.
Euphorie [-\]: chinese 5d is like JeffChang[8d\]
llook [?\]: och ok]
WL[1792.483]
;B[kl]
C[ItsaBadDay [11k\]: mogo won with 7 stones against a 9p
che [-\]: does w d3 work?
llook [?\]: sorry]
BL[1294.832];W[ij]
C[weirdchess [11k\]: eh?  when did mogo do that itsabadday?
Euphorie [-\]: look at nutngo info
maxoux [5k\]: h9
nutngo2: MoGo also won with 6 stones against a 1P.]
WL[1777.311];B[hi]
C[Euphorie [-\]: interesting]
BL[1262.558];W[kn]
C[Suteishi [7d?\]: with chinese rule set it's no surprise
alter [1d?\]: Crazystone won 4p at 7 handi some monthes ago too
ItsaBadDay [11k\]: yesterday
ItsaBadDay [11k\]: http://www.lri.fr/~teytaud/H7.sgf]
WL[1763.812];B[lo]BL[1231.43];W[jo]
C[Suteishi [7d?\]: i can promise you i beat anyone with 8 stones \
on this ruleset
Archaic [1d\]: why?]
WL[1752.92];B[rd]
C[NemoEimi [?\]: the crazystone win was additionally impressive \
because it was achieved on a mere 8 processor machine
Suteishi [7d?\]: chinese rule set is a bit questionable due to \
mimic go possibilities
Euphorie [-\]: they should use NZ rules then, there is compensation \
komi equal to the number of stones given
llook [?\]: just a few years ago these bots were at 5k level]
BL[1200.231];W[rg]
C[Violence [?\]: but Suteishi, can't you break mirror go with superko?
alter [1d?\]: Suteishi : you ll play the solid ponnuki in center \
and then play symetry ?
alter [1d?\]: this can be broken too]
WL[1737.915];B[rh]BL[1169.41];W[re]
C[Archaic [1d\]: don't see how mirror go would be too different \
from japanese
Suteishi [7d?\]: by what?
Violence [?\]: by making 4 kos
Suteishi [7d?\]: theres a huge dif
Suteishi [7d?\]: then the game is just undecided
Violence [?\]: no, Chinese rules have superko]
WL[1728.38]
;B[qb]
C[Euphorie [-\]: there was an interesting mirror game on IGS 2 days \
go between yosibo[10d\] and a 6d, the 6d used mirror go (he was \
destroyed twice already)
maxoux [5k\]: whats that?
alter [1d?\]: danootjee showed it once. It is possible ot break \
this symetry too (8 stones in center)]
BL[1139.649];W[pc]
C[Violence [?\]: Black is forced to break his mirror]
WL[1704.297];B[qc]
C[Suteishi [7d?\]: any place i can check this out from?
Archaic [1d\]: well anyway i dun see how mirror go is any different \
from japanese]
BL[1110.718];W[rb]
C[Archaic [1d\]: i mean too different
Suteishi [7d?\]: never thought about it very far
Violence [?\]: Play out a demon yourself
Archaic [1d\]: fro japanese rules i mean
Violence [?\]: err demo^
Violence [?\]: set it to Chinese rules
Archaic [1d\]: don't see how chinese rules makes mirror go wierder
Suteishi [7d?\]: archaic, free placement
Suteishi [7d?\]: of stones]
WL[1692.081];B[sg]
C[Archaic [1d\]: except for the fact that if black follows white \
all the way to the end
Violence [?\]: edit, make a solid eye in the center, and then \
make 4 kos mirroring yourself]
BL[1082.32];W[rf]
C[Archaic [1d\]: and white tries to solely make territory white \
will lose by 1 pt
Suteishi [7d?\]: will try later
Archaic [1d\]: wherein japanese rules it's a tie
alter [1d?\]: i remeber it s the same idea as breaking mirror \
with tengen, and end by capturing the "solid ponnuki" or break \
symetry.
Archaic [1d\]: with no komi i mean
Violence [?\]: no, alter
erkkierkki [14k\]: w+time if mogo continues this style]
WL[1680.822];B[od]
C[Archaic [1d\]: so you'd have to solely use capture based breaking \
tactics
Violence [?\]: you cannot try to capture the center eye
alter [1d?\]: but more trricky than tengen]
BL[1055.083];W[nd]
C[Archaic [1d\]: after all...back when people didn't use komi, they \
had to find ways to counter mirror
carbon729 [3d\]: when mogo has no time, will he be mad?
mmueller [4d?\]: Q19 S19 ko
Sampi [2k\]: is b dead on upper right?
Violence [?\]: You can't use capture based breaking tactics
Violence [?\]: it doesn't work]
WL[1669.498];B[ra]
C[Violence [?\]: you need to use superko based break tactics
carbon729 [3d\]: like put stones randomly]
BL[1028.199];W[sb]
C[alter [1d?\]: mogo never lose on time
mmueller [4d?\]: sorry no
royu [5d\]: mogo mad, mogo crush, mogo stomp
royu [5d\]: hmm]
WL[1659.025]
;B[nf]
C[fhdsohfmm: how strong are they ?
alter [1d?\]: end game is very easy and fast for mogo
llook [?\]: finally someone says something about mogo's personality
llook [?\]: thx royu :)]
BL[1001.727];W[oe]
C[mmueller [4d?\]: T16
alter [1d?\]: mogo goes mad when he loses
carbon729 [3d\]: seems there are many fans of mogo here
royu [5d\]: I believe b has enough liberties]
WL[1648.347];B[qi]
C[alter [1d?\]: it*
fhdsohfmm: wich rank are they ?
royu [5d\]: for at least a ko
ItsaBadDay [11k\]: yes a lot less possibility to compute]
BL[976.013];W[jq]
C[falloutti [-\]: fhdsohfmm, nutngo is taiwanese player and mogo \
is computer
Archaic [1d\]: nah there are certain capture based tactics
Archaic [1d\]: that work
Archaic [1d\]: for black
Archaic [1d\]: for white i don't see any good ones]
WL[1636.624];B[jr]
C[Archaic [1d\]: that won't give a disadvantage]
BL[950.957];W[kp]
C[fhdsohfmm: but
Archaic [1d\]: black can use tengen to split white's two groups \
while connecting his
llook [?\]: i wonder if w is going to die now
royu [5d\]: weird, t16 works?
fhdsohfmm: wich rank are they ?
Archaic [1d\]: that is the only good one i know for black]
WL[1625.587];B[iq]
C[Archaic [1d\]: it is..
Violence [?\]: Archaic, I'm referring to Suteishi's 8 free stone \
placement
Sampi [2k\]: ??
Violence [?\]: You can't use capture based tactics on it]
BL[926.67];W[lp]
C[Archaic [1d\]: what 8 free stone placement
Archaic [1d\]: free handicap placement?
Violence [?\]: yes
barbar [2d\]: mogo misclicked j3?]
WL[1614.372];B[mp]
C[fhdsohfmm: nobody knows their ranl ?
royu [5d\]: t16 results in ko
Violence [?\]: Chinese 8 free stone placement needs to be broken \
by superko
fhdsohfmm: rank]
BL[903.131];W[lq]
C[weirdchess [11k\]: lol mogo misclicked
ItsaBadDay [11k\]: as in french rules placement is free
falloutti [-\]: mogo doesn't miss click lol
Sampi [2k\]: w is 6d
Chrille [3k\]: 6 stones is enough
Sampi [2k\]: b is... idk]
WL[1605.914]
;B[jp]
C[Archaic [1d\]: is there any significance to 8 free placement?
carbon729 [3d\]: I wonder what mogo will do if you ask for re-do.....and \
say sorry for the misclick....]
BL[880.092];W[ko]
C[Violence [?\]: You make a solid eye in the center
Archaic [1d\]: huh?
Archaic [1d\]: o
Violence [?\]: and play mirror go, and capture based tactics no \
longer work
che [-\]: carbon it wouldnt
Archaic [1d\]: ic]
WL[1592.732];B[lr]
C[Chrille [3k\]: you can make a solid eye with 6 stones]
BL[857.686];W[mq]
C[weirdchess [11k\]: white L7 makes the second eye here
Archaic [1d\]: u make a solid living group in the center
Archaic [1d\]: lol interesting
Violence [?\]: yes, 6 also works
carbon729 [3d\]: mogo never allows undo?
Sampi [2k\]: yes, he does]
WL[1583.006];B[sd]
C[Sampi [2k\]: i have a mogobot running and it always allows
royu [5d\]: mogo mad! mogo crush now]
BL[835.273];W[pa]
C[Archaic [1d\]: or maybe u only need one eye in the middle
Archaic [1d\]: true
Violence [?\]: oh jeez...
Violence [?\]: White's dead...]
WL[1568.189];B[nm]
C[Violence [?\]: needs R19, no?
royu [5d\]: mogo tenuki. mogo not mad anymore]
BL[813.579];W[rr]
C[Sampi [2k\]: damn! shouldve done s2 sooner]
WL[1552.494];B[nq]BL[792.452];W[mr]
C[Violence [?\]: oh wait, nm, white has more libs in top right]
WL[1541.12]
;B[qa]
C[mmueller [4d?\]: R19 R16 W ahead
Violence [?\]: er wait... it's a ko
Violence [?\]: it's a ko now.
royu [5d\]: MOGO MAD AGAIN! MOGO STOMP
weirdchess [11k\]: no, whites ahead by 2 libs, no?]
BL[771.991];W[qd]
C[ItsaBadDay [11k\]: royo keep caps unlocked please !
Sampi [2k\]: could be ko
royu [5d\]: it's ko, like I said above :)]
WL[1524.616];B[qe]
C[royu [5d\]: even with w n18]
BL[752.012];W[pe]
C[Violence [?\]: only with white n18
Violence [?\]: without that resource, white's gone
llook [?\]: is this a multistep ko ?]
WL[1514.173];B[qd]
C[Violence [?\]: nah, looks direct
royu [5d\]: direct
llook [?\]: thx]
BL[732.498];W[se]WL[1504.745];B[rj]
C[Violence [?\]: where are white's threats?
Sampi [2k\]: ??]
BL[713.24];W[hm]
C[Violence [?\]: white thinks he has more threats?
carbon729 [3d\]: why ko?
Archaic [1d\]: haha
Slowdive [10k\]: i don't get the ko
Archaic [1d\]: mogo stomp
Slowdive [10k\]: where is it]
WL[1489.894];B[ho]
C[Korlon [2k\]: N15's the ko]
BL[694.332];W[gl]
C[Violence [?\]: you'll see, if white doesn't fix
royu [5d\]: when mogo tenuki's from a ko to kill such a large \
group, it feels very pro-ish]
WL[1477.268]
;B[gm]
C[carbon729 [3d\]: w has 7 liberty in the corner....
carbon729 [3d\]: black 6]
BL[676.361];W[gk]
C[royu [5d\]: however, it's probably more of an anomaly
Sampi [2k\]: look: if b does n14, m14 & n15 its 3 libs but if \
he does n15 &m14 its ko
Sampi [2k\]: understand?]
WL[1467.226];B[fc]
C[Violence [?\]: white has 6 libs in the corner, carbon
Slowdive [10k\]: oh ok]
BL[659.068];W[dg]
C[fghhf: fix now
fghhf: ..
llook [?\]: yes, thx Sampi]
WL[1455.889];B[ii]
C[carbon729 [3d\]: with N18 cut, one more liberty]
BL[642.328];W[rc]
C[royu [5d\]: heh
Sampi [2k\]: aww]
WL[1442.287];B[hk]
C[Sampi [2k\]: now w wins
Korlon [2k\]: . . .
Sampi [2k\]: the semeai, that is
che [-\]: h9 kyuish]
BL[625.731];W[hj]
C[weirdchess [11k\]: mogo reacts to losing structures very poorly
weirdchess [11k\]: lots of random moves]
WL[1419.391];B[jl]BL[609.175];W[il]WL[1409.965]
;B[ll]
C[che [-\]: again: does d3 work for w?
royu [5d\]: too bad... with ko the game looked ... well, even \
probably from what b could receive]
BL[592.69];W[lk]
C[Sampi [2k\]: still, i count B+20]
WL[1397.709];B[mk]
C[royu [5d\]: now w very ahead 
lose100 [2k\]: count again
Korlon [2k\]: ...
Sampi [2k\]: wha??
Slowdive [10k\]: lol
che [-\]: haha
Slowdive [10k\]: pro move
Kanin [-\]: yes, d3 works
weirdchess [11k\]: dont think d3 works... but c2 does]
BL[577.477];W[nl]
C[che [-\]: thx kanin]
WL[1377.277];B[cd]
C[che [-\]: big then
carbon729 [3d\]: N9....]
BL[561.929];W[dd]
C[Violence [?\]: This game seems over
carbon729 [3d\]: what's that...
che [-\]: thats a peep]
WL[1368.387];B[cc]BL[547.259];W[cb]
C[myongstu [-\]: this desperation is almost human like
Sampi [2k\]: royu, i think b is ahead]
WL[1359.411];B[bb]BL[533.244];W[db]
C[myongstu [-\]: sampi r19 is dead
Sampi [2k\]: i know]
WL[1351.539]
;B[ce]BL[519.175];W[cf]
C[weirdchess [11k\]: its roughly w+15 here...
ItsaBadDay [11k\]: would be fun to have video of the pro playerin \
the same time :)]
WL[1341.85];B[bf]
C[weirdchess [11k\]: much more if top left dies, which it probably \
will
Violence [?\]: "a b c d e f g, now I know my life and death."
llook [?\]: it's a pity i wonder if b could have won the ko]
BL[506.007];W[bg]WL[1333.924];B[cg]
C[Slowdive [10k\]: !
Korlon [2k\]: XD
Violence [?\]: C13
weirdchess [11k\]: LOL]
BL[492.762];W[ch]
C[Violence [?\]: quite a power play
barbar [2d\]: mogo is tired :)
rober [2k\]: bot tesuji]
WL[1323.826];B[mb]
C[Hyre [12k\]: D14 now 
Slowdive [10k\]: i bet the professor just lol'd
Chrille [3k\]: I think the bot is melting
fghhf: can i give u points please!
Violence [?\]: Witness the power of computer Go with C13]
BL[480.52];W[sc]
C[lose100 [2k\]: play your ko threats before resigning .. maybe \
you get a misclick]
WL[1311.135];B[sa]
C[llook [?\]: c13 is instant profit if W ignores
llook [?\]: :)]
BL[468.382];W[sb]WL[1299.716]
;B[af]
C[Nl4m [10k\]: o_O
Troff [?\]: You guys are missing the point of that move, now D14 \
is ko to cut d16]
BL[456.349];W[ad]
C[ttonndaa [5k\]: who is w?]
WL[1283.847];B[bd]
C[Sampi [2k\]: a 6d from Taiwan
weirdchess [11k\]: 5d]
BL[445.146];W[ac]
C[royu [5d\]: mogo should be able to read this in corner? 
Sampi [2k\]: same thing]
WL[1273.307];B[ab]
C[royu [5d\]: arf]
BL[433.78];W[ag]
C[tesuto: ooo
llook [?\]: mogo is running out of time
tesuto: white blundered
Korlon [2k\]: Eh
tesuto: a17 mistake]
WL[1260.587];B[bc]
C[myongstu [-\]: alive
Archaic [1d\]: b17
Sampi [2k\]: omg../.
Violence [?\]: White messed up
Slowdive [10k\]: awwwwwwwww]
BL[422.344];W[ae]
C[Slowdive [10k\]: what was right move then
CBlue [?\]: before w's blunder, mogo shouldve made a ko though
tesuto: white still dont see it ...
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: . . .
Korlon [2k\]: Shouldn't it be A15 instead of A13?
weirdchess [11k\]: black lives]
WL[1245.993];B[be]
C[fghhf: A13 mistake
weirdchess [11k\]: b19 and a16 miai]
BL[411.332];W[ba]
C[Violence [?\]: White needs to do some pushups for missing that \
ko
llook [?\]: life in gote
myongstu [-\]: c13 pissed w off and he lost his concentration. \
nice strategy by b]
WL[1232.366]
;B[ad]
C[Biovizir [6k\]: c13 worked! ^__)]
BL[400.701];W[np]
C[weirdchess [11k\]: now black is actually in this game..
ShikiChan [10k\]: except b19 doesnt give b another point and a16 \
does
Violence [?\]: worked is an interesting work for C13]
WL[1219.527];B[rk]
C[Snuva [4k?\]: c13 was timesuji
royu [5d\]: i'm still a bit surprised though - shouldn't mogo \
be able to read this local position very accurately and not attempt \
- therefore not wasting ko threat?
Violence [?\]: since it certainly accomplished something]
BL[390.596];W[oq]
C[fghhf: a13 on a15 .....
Violence [?\]: and timesuji is clearly relevant with absolute \
time also]
WL[1205.204];B[ef]BL[380.726];W[df]
C[Sampi [2k\]: royu: if you are right and mogo was behind, mogo \
tries desperate moves when losing
CBlue [?\]: yeah royu, you'd also expect n18 at b16
Chilltime [5k\]: maybe its mote carlo system says it has a high \
percentage to live there]
WL[1193.964];B[eg]
C[Chilltime [5k\]: even if its not working]
BL[371.361];W[fd]
C[tesuto: white has not so much territory? hmm]
WL[1184.274];B[gd]BL[361.75];W[fe]
C[lose100 [2k\]: d3 was bigger than p3, yes?]
WL[1176.527]
;B[gf]
C[Sampi [2k\]: like i said, i feel b is ahead]
BL[352.282];W[ge]
C[Violence [?\]: I'd have to disagree with you, Sampi]
WL[1167.604];B[sh]
C[weirdchess [11k\]: ??
carbon729 [3d\]: white is far ahead....
royu [5d\]: the attempt is alway's b's right however... why not \
attempt later when it recognizes there are no potential valuable \
ko's on board]
BL[343.561];W[hd]
C[rober [2k\]: t12 like pass]
WL[1153.127];B[sf]
C[Violence [?\]: ko's back?
llook [?\]: w blundered
sfrex [2k\]: i feel both r not strong
llook [?\]: ?
Violence [?\]: ko again?]
BL[334.687];W[sc]
C[ShikiChan [10k\]: no ko
Archaic [1d\]: er where was the ko
Archaic [1d\]: in the a16 group?
Sampi [2k\]: looks like ko to me but what do i know?]
WL[1134.147];B[gc]BL[325.918];W[hf]
C[Violence [?\]: ko in the top right
Archaic [1d\]: all i saw was a flood of chat
carbon729 [3d\]: ...
rober [2k\]: no, b dead]
WL[1124.757];B[ee]
C[Archaic [1d\]: this kibitz is largely 100% confusing]
BL[317.926];W[ed]WL[1114.75]
;B[jk]
C[Violence [?\]: black likes to waste ko threats alot]
BL[309.949];W[jj]
C[Slowdive [10k\]: mogo's running short on time
ItsaBadDay [11k\]: isn't it kibitz nature to be confusing ?]
WL[1102.576];B[ck]
C[carbon729 [3d\]: where is the ko violence?
Archaic [1d\]: just that you have to sort through an entire flood]
BL[302.071];W[dk]
C[weirdchess [11k\]: yeah mogo collapses under time pressure]
WL[1092.136];B[oa]
C[myongstu [-\]: c13 strategy works again? i doubt it this time
Violence [?\]: it's coming]
BL[294.66];W[rc]
C[rober [2k\]: no ko, b dead
Violence [?\]: oh, nm
Violence [?\]: it's not
Violence [?\]: haha
carbon729 [3d\]: count the liberty pleas]
WL[1080.908];B[rb]
C[Violence [?\]: since when did white play two extra moves there?
Sampi [2k\]: carbon is right]
BL[287.56];W[sc]
C[lose100 [2k\]: don't sass talk the V please]
WL[1070.018];B[sm]
C[Slowdive [10k\]: :/
Korlon [2k\]: Another self atari]
BL[280.239];W[sl]
C[royu [5d\]: hum]
WL[1060.821]
;B[rs]
C[Violence [?\]: I missed something up there for some reason
royu [5d\]: hum
myongstu [-\]: lol
Korlon [2k\]: o_O
Chilltime [5k\]: -.-
Violence [?\]: wow, strong play
Slowdive [10k\]: :/
llook [?\]: i guess the problem is that t12 didn't decrease w's \
liberties]
BL[273.177];W[qr]
C[rober [2k\]: why bots are so stupid at yose?
Korlon [2k\]: That's cute
CBlue [?\]: why does the program play such terrible moves though
myongstu [-\]: b is trying 0.5 victory?]
WL[1052.412];B[pr]
C[CBlue [?\]: even if low on time
carbon729 [3d\]: this is.....]
BL[266.381];W[qs]
C[weirdchess [11k\]: ok, black is dead, right?  i can count? no \
ko?
CBlue [?\]: self-atari doesnt require any processing power to \
check]
WL[1043.305];B[bm]
C[carbon729 [3d\]: kamikaser......
Sampi [2k\]: lol
royu [5d\]: mogo trying to win on time]
BL[259.549];W[cr]
C[fghhf: tenuki
llook [?\]: this is have the algorithm works CBlue with infinite \
time MoGo would play perfectly]
WL[1030.38];B[aq]
C[ShikiChan [10k\]: b is helping w catch up so he can win by 0.5
carbon729 [3d\]: another kamikaser....
Slowdive [10k\]: why not d3?
carbon729 [3d\]: erh.....
Sampi [2k\]: !?!
che [-\]: Thats why I dislike Computer Go]
BL[252.819];W[dq]
C[Korlon [2k\]: It's spazzing out
carbon729 [3d\]: computer burned?
Biovizir [6k\]: kamikasuji
maxoux [5k\]: hes losing it?
rober [2k\]: that was all...
Violence [?\]: breakdown
Slowdive [10k\]: fail
Archaic [1d\]: wait wait
royu [5d\]: someone fed mogo a paradox
Archaic [1d\]: where was the ko..
Archaic [1d\]: at a16 group
Chilltime [5k\]: fail fail fail
Violence [?\]: I'll clone
Archaic [1d\]: i think i undersetand the kibitz now
Violence [?\]: er, I can't clone
Archaic [1d\]: after sorting through
Violence [?\]: game's done
Archaic [1d\]: a flood
carbon729 [3d\]: if w played A18 instead of A16
Chilltime [5k\]: the alghorytmus just shot himself
CBlue [?\]: sure, bb16, archaic, instead of n18
Archaic [1d\]: noah's flood
carbon729 [3d\]: it was a ko
myongstu [-\]: e13 was the final losing move
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: Violence: save and load
carbon729 [3d\]: but w had not enough threatens
carbon729 [3d\]: I guess that's why he chose the A16...
Violence [?\]: actually, the best way to do it is to play A13 \
and then A18
barbar [2d\]: a13 at a15 was kill w/out ko
Archaic [1d\]: o yea i get it
carbon729 [3d\]: no...
Violence [?\]: err
Violence [?\]: after A18
carbon729 [3d\]: A18 first
Violence [?\]: I remember A13 is supposed to be an important exchange
Archaic [1d\]: wait..
fghhf: a15 instead of a13 worked
Archaic [1d\]: why did mogo avoid the ko
Archaic [1d\]: to capture the top right
carbon729 [3d\]: just try it on your board
Archaic [1d\]: there was a ko in the top right
rober [2k\]: I agree with barbar
Archaic [1d\]: why did mogo avoid it
CBlue [?\]: a18 b16
rober [2k\]: a13 at a15 killed
Archaic [1d\]: with f17
CBlue [?\]: ah you're talking about kill :-p
carbon729 [3d\]: this is one of the most basic L/D question
fghhf: dubbeldiget kyu life and death
Archaic [1d\]: why didn't mogo start the ko at the top right..
Archaic [1d\]: mogo played f17 instead of starting the top right \
ko
Violence [?\]: ok
Violence [?\]: starting from after Black A14, the sequence is
Violence [?\]: a18 b19 a16 b16 a13 b15 b17 
Archaic [1d\]: then the pro
llook [?\]: if they only could get the order of MoGo's moves right...
Archaic [1d\]: instead of ending the ko
Archaic [1d\]: he plays d13
carbon729 [3d\]: just try it on your board....
Archaic [1d\]: then mogo for some strange reason plays j11
Archaic [1d\]: and then the pro ends the ko
Archaic [1d\]: and prevents the ko from starting
carbon729 [3d\]: better than I explain
CBlue [?\]: just a13 at a15
CBlue [?\]: for w
fghhf: white is stupid
fghhf: or just didn't care
CBlue [?\]: oiotoshi if b b19, otherwise trivial death
matjet [2k\]: white for this game was 5d amature?
Violence [?\]: yeah, A13 @ A15 works, I think
Archaic [1d\]: who cares about a14 group
Archaic [1d\]: it's just a l ife and death
Archaic [1d\]: wondering why mogo
Archaic [1d\]: and also the pro
Archaic [1d\]: avoided the ko in the top right
Archaic [1d\]: for awhile
CBlue [?\]: so b shouldve made ko at b16 before
CBlue [?\]: w is not a pro
fghhf: hard to imagine any 5d making A13 mistake
fghhf: unless he didn't look at it at all
Archaic [1d\]: the pro only ended the top right ko thus avoiding \
giving black opportunity to start it
Archaic [1d\]: a few moves later
Archaic [1d\]: a few useless moves later
Archaic [1d\]: and mogo also avoided starting the ko
CBlue [?\]: this w is not a pro player]
WL[1019.103])
