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GM[1]FF[4]VW[]AP[Many Faces of Go version 12.001]
SZ[9]
HA[0]
ST[0]
PB[nutngo]
PW[Mogo]
DT[2009-02-11]
PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
KM[7.5]
TM[3000]
RU[Chinese]
RE[B+Resign]
C[Mogo [-\]: GTP Engine for Mogo (white): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll \
resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you \
passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some \
stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will \
agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have \
not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play \
until the end :'( (very rare cases)]
CA[UTF-8];B[ee]BL[2969.647];W[ec]WL[2999.788];B[ce]BL[2949.436];W[fg]WL[2999.578];B[ge]BL[2892.634];W[cg]
C[Gaijin [6k\]: would you believe the game is already settled?
AshenRain [22k\]: is one of them a comp?
chipper [-\]: I hear this fuseki is strong for black
themyr0n [2k\]: both are comps ashen
jhj22 [7k\]: o
NoKnott [-\]: no, w is computer, b is not
AshenRain [22k\]: O.O ok thanks ;-;
jhj22 [7k\]: both comps....=/
themyr0n [2k\]: lol
AshenRain [22k\]: @.@ which 1
KnucklesX7 [4k\]: Stop playing dumb
CrazyIsumi [1k\]: well a professor is sorta like a walking encylepedia \
aint he >>?
NoKnott [-\]: for this game, b = Professor Cheng-Wen Dong 5D amateur]
WL[2999.339];B[gc]BL[2810.407];W[cc]
C[CrazyIsumi [1k\]: thats pretty close to a comp
CrazyIsumi [1k\]: in my book
AshenRain [22k\]: Ah ok thanks
NoKnott [-\]: please be polite
Gaijin [6k\]: comp is 3d in 9x9 tops
AshenRain [22k\]: okie mr. Knott
Crumb [5k\]: Black is a 5don ameture chinese professor
AshenRain [22k\]: Thank You
haruto [-\]: nutngo has changed hands so many times today, how \
can we be sure who is playing anymore?
jhj22 [7k\]: o
CrazyIsumi [1k\]: Cuz theres no point in lying about it?
Lynx [2d\]: how can B win with this?
Lynx [2d\]: I fear this position a lot
Gaijin [6k\]: e3?
jhj22 [7k\]: blk does not look good at all
jhj22 [7k\]: how did it start out?
Gaijin [6k\]: w looks even not gooder
Ryuk [3k\]: click the back arrows jh
jhj22 [7k\]: ah
jhj22 [7k\]: thx
Ryuk [3k\]: yw
LogicWind [4k\]: needs to strengthen c5 stone
LogicWind [4k\]: maybe d8
b8matt [11k\]: d3?
Gaijin [6k\]: b4 e3?
uuyf: b7
AshenRain [22k\]: what about E3 then D3 then G3?
Crumb [5k\]: e2 
AshenRain [22k\]: White will respond E2 D2 andG2 right?
jhj22 [7k\]: isn't e2 too risky?]
WL[2999.144]
;B[fb]
C[Gaijin [6k\]: e2 gets trapped
uuyf: e2 gets killed
jhj22 [7k\]: ah
jhj22 [7k\]: f8
jhj22 [7k\]: much safer
jhj22 [7k\]: i suppose
Gaijin [6k\]: but now w strengthens
jhj22 [7k\]: ya
Gaijin [6k\]: tis yose already :)
uuyf: strenghens what
uuyf: need to live first
CHenchman [22k?\]: hopefully white can connect now
jhj22 [7k\]: c7 and e7 dead?
Mogo [-\]: GTP Engine for Mogo (white): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll \
resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you \
passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some \
stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will \
agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have \
not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play \
until the end :'( (very rare cases)
MrShintou [-\]: every game feels the same, the pros know where \
the computer fails
jhj22 [7k\]: lol
Gaijin [6k\]: w has to e8
AshenRain [22k\]: How?
mmueller [4d?\]: Fuego likes B5
Lynx [2d\]: b5 is what I would do
uuyf: b5 b6
Lynx [2d\]: we know
Lynx [2d\]: c6...
uuyf: happy to live on left
uuyf: b i mean
AshenRain [22k\]: gameover?
Gaijin [6k\]: b5 is one lives one dies i believe
mmueller [4d?\]: Interestingly Fuego thinks B is better
CHenchman [22k?\]: yeah Lynx that was Mogo's problem last game
jhj22 [7k\]: mogo dead?
MrShintou [-\]: white has lost.
jhj22 [7k\]: what's wrong with the comp
chipper [-\]: Mogo still has problem with corner shapes it seems..
jhj22 [7k\]: wait. mogo is the computer right?
MrShintou [-\]: yes
chipper [-\]: Yes
Gaijin [6k\]: comp has prob reading ahead it seems
jhj22 [7k\]: ah
jhj22 [7k\]: wooden comp =P
CGBSpender [-\]: like most kyu players, chipper, not a big deal \
:p
Sela [13k\]: Pro took black?!!!
LogicWind [4k\]: 7.5 komi
CHenchman [22k?\]: no, black is an amateur
Corvax [6k\]: he's not pro but amateur 5d
jhj22 [7k\]: dam 5d
LogicWind [4k\]: chinese rules
Sela [13k\]: Still muy impressive :)
Lynx [2d\]: dunno the mogo I remember could beat pros
haruto [-\]: according to their site it says he is 1p   http://go.nutn.edu.tw/2009/English/schedule_eng.htm
chipper [-\]: Lynx, did you see the second 19x19 game?
NoKnott [-\]: haruto, this is not one of the formal games in the \
schedule
Sela [13k\]: 45 minutes seems a bit excessive for an 9x9 game
Lynx [2d\]: yes
Corvax [6k\]: mogo beat a pro on 9 handi
jhj22 [7k\]: 45min. ya long
Lynx [2d\]: the one where the comp fell apart?
Gaijin [6k\]: the more time the better the comp ability
CREZT [19k?\]: is the computer supposed to be really good or something?
chipper [-\]: Yes]
BL[2623.128];W[eg]
C[Gaijin [6k\]: death
jhj22 [7k\]: ah mogo moved
tzuge: err...
Lynx [2d\]: b6?
niki [2k\]: E3 is a surprise
b8matt [11k\]: no hedidnt
jhj22 [7k\]: 2/3 is blk.
inte [?\]: w dies again?
Sela [13k\]: I was thinking G4 or something
Gaijin [6k\]: f6 a prob
chipper [-\]: d6 white die?
Sela [13k\]: this seems too small/slow
MrShintou [-\]: b4 
chipper [-\]: haha
Isildur [4k\]: it took that long for that?
Gaijin [6k\]: not yet]
WL[2725.861];B[dd]
C[jhj22 [7k\]: ah b6
Lynx [2d\]: dunno chipper why did u ask?
jhj22 [7k\]: d6
Gaijin [6k\]: b has has to support cut
chipper [-\]: Just curious :)
Gaijin [6k\]: then kill
Gaijin [6k\]: now f6 not a prob
jhj22 [7k\]: white dead
jhj22 [7k\]: T_T
jhj22 [7k\]: pooor compy
Lynx [2d\]: dunno mogo seemed to fall apart really quickly this \
time
jhj22 [7k\]: ah
MrShintou [-\]: its because pros understand how mogo sucks now
Sela [13k\]: wait; white is dead in the corner O_O? how?
Gaijin [6k\]: not dead yet
MrShintou [-\]: he canj't beat c5 e5 g5 
Gaijin [6k\]: prolly b6 next
chipper [-\]: b5 is good
jhj22 [7k\]: o....
jhj22 [7k\]: c5 e5 g5 was the trick
CREZT [19k?\]: why couldn't they use a bigger board
matjet [2k\]: becouse mogo would eb worse
basicpract [-\]: comps are best on 9x9
Sela [13k\]: Takes too long?
Gaijin [6k\]: comp is higher level on smaller board
Sela [13k\]: lol
CREZT [19k?\]: oh 
jhj22 [7k\]: what's the lvl of comp on 19X19
jhj22 [7k\]: ?
Gaijin [6k\]: maybe 3d
matjet [2k\]: 1k/1d
basicpract [-\]: depends on the program and the number of cupmuters \
being run together :)
CREZT [19k?\]: what is it right now
jhj22 [7k\]: and on 9x9 like....5~7d?
Gaijin [6k\]: on 9x9 3d
jhj22 [7k\]: ah k
Gaijin [6k\]: on 19 maybe 1d
Lynx [2d\]: theoretically it's pro level on 9x9
matjet [2k\]: 600 4.7Ghz processors
chipper [-\]: 640*]
BL[2579.576];W[bd]
C[CHenchman [22k?\]: well, it did beat dong last time
Gaijin [6k\]: whoop
Zahlman [1k\]: man I can't imagine playing 9x9 this slowly
jhj22 [7k\]: hmmm white lives?
Gaijin [6k\]: cut
chipper [-\]: This slowly, is very fun
MrShintou [-\]: w dies
jhj22 [7k\]: lol
Zahlman [1k\]: such precise calculation, I'm sure I'd go insane
chipper [-\]: Both will be able to count
Gaijin [6k\]: cut left then invade top by b
Zahlman [1k\]: ... just b5 I guess]
WL[2500.265];B[be]
C[jhj22 [7k\]: ya
CREZT [19k?\]: this game wil be short
LogicWind [4k\]: b8, best move
Zahlman [1k\]: b may not even have to kill
Gaijin [6k\]: hmm
chipper [-\]: These games are never short
Zahlman [1k\]: b8 d8
Gaijin [6k\]: e8?
MrShintou [-\]: zahlman if he a5s then black will throw in and \
b4
Gaijin [6k\]: or b8...
CREZT [19k?\]: even if Whites death is almost certain?
Zahlman [1k\]: e8 b8 :)
matjet [2k\]: well il be off making sandwitches
chipper [-\]: After b8, isn't it a2/b2?
Gaijin [6k\]: b8  only hope
Zahlman [1k\]: I think h3 is bigger than a2
chipper [-\]: Good point
Zahlman [1k\]: or something like that anyway, maybe g3 :o
Zahlman [1k\]: or h2 (h3 h4) ?
Zahlman [1k\]: oh I guess that doesn't work
LogicWind [4k\]: maybe a surprise with a5
Gaijin [6k\]: a5 gote
Gaijin [6k\]: and death
mmueller [4d?\]: W in trouble
MrShintou [-\]: trouble is an understatement
CGBSpender [-\]: no one had noticed
Gaijin [6k\]: b8 slim chance but none other?]
BL[2524.265];W[bb]
C[Zahlman [1k\]: w in trouble since move 5 lol
UorIresign [2k\]: live?
Q161 [19k\]: no]
WL[2273.771];B[db]
C[Zahlman [1k\]: d8
eoe [11k\]: well spotted
Zahlman [1k\]: I'm wondering if e3 is just a mistake... but maybe \
w d6 doesn't help
Gaijin [6k\]: c8 a7
Gaijin [6k\]: doom for w
Lynx [2d\]: mogo isn't impressing me tonight
Lynx [2d\]: E3 shoulda been at b5 >_>
Gaijin [6k\]: lost after move 6
Zahlman [1k\]: ahh b5 of course :)
Gaijin [6k\]: settled then :)
CREZT [19k?\]: yeah
odbira [3k\]: seems a chance to fight with F6
aware [2k\]: mogo seems to have a real problem on 9x9 l&d .. more \
than i remember 
Zahlman [1k\]: but if e3 should be at b5, then g7 should be at \
c7 :)
Gaijin [6k\]: b has miai to kill top and already has won
chipper [-\]: It's having problems with knowing when to connect \
rather than just l&d
eoe [11k\]: aware, is the basic program the same as for 19x19?
Mogo [-\]: GTP Engine for Mogo (white): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll \
resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you \
passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some \
stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will \
agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have \
not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play \
until the end :'( (very rare cases)
CGBSpender [-\]: mogo go
Mogo [-\]: GTP Engine for Mogo (white): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll \
resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you \
passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some \
stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will \
agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have \
not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play \
until the end :'( (very rare cases)
Isildur [4k\]: it has problems with prioritizing, it seemed to \
me
Zahlman [1k\]: why does it keep saying that?
Gaijin [6k\]: reconnects
CGBSpender [-\]: it was dc-ed
aware [2k\]: eoe> i guess.. but dont know -- i'm mnot one of the \
programmers
NoKnott [-\]: Zahlman, it needs to work on it's people skills \
:)
eoe [11k\]: aware, oh. my mistake
Gaijin [6k\]: prob is it wont resign
Gaijin [6k\]: and will take long time to finish....
Zahlman [1k\]: like someone said, it has trouble knowing about \
connecting? ;)
Q161 [19k\]: lol!
Isildur [4k\]: hehe
Gaijin [6k\]: prob reading ahead of human
Sela [13k\]: Hmm isn't white alive right now, though?
shyfox [5k\]: so mogo lost?
Gaijin [6k\]: w is doomed
shyfox [5k\]: i'll laugh if mogo escapes
Zahlman [1k\]: sela, the basic idea is, b will connect the d8 \
stone one way or another, and w will not have enough eye space
CREZT [19k?\]: Dumm.Dumm.DUMMM!
Lynx [2d\]: mogo was programed to play like a human
Sela [13k\]: Oh, i meant eyespace in the corner though
Sela [13k\]: wA7
Lynx [2d\]: it's adopted things that the programers didn't plan \
on
Lynx [2d\]: like escaping
Gaijin [6k\]: a7 make false
Sela [13k\]: doesn't that leave A8 and B7 as potential eyes?
Sela [13k\]: oh...nevermind
Gaijin [6k\]: c7 gives b a7
Gaijin [6k\]: c8 that is
Gaijin [6k\]: either way doomed
Zahlman [1k\]: what? no, UCT is programmed to... well, noone really \
understands it properly, but however human it may look, it "thinks" \
totally differently
Zahlman [1k\]: the most "human approach" to a go program is probably \
gnugo or maybe manyfaces... despite the weird ideas they get \
:)]
BL[2501.945];W[dc]WL[1938.87];B[eb]
C[Gaijin [6k\]: comp uses porbabilities, not perception
aware [2k\]: well..weird ideas are very human :)
chipper [-\]: Zahlman, what about crazystone?
Sela [13k\]: Gotta appreciate just how *FAST* black responded \
there, lol
Zahlman [1k\]: I think crazystone was also a uct bot, but I don't \
remember
MrShintou [-\]: this game is over :(
aware [2k\]: crazystone uses monte carlo, too says senseis at \
least
CREZT [19k?\]: the game has been over.
Zahlman [1k\]: gnugo is like... special source files to identify \
various types of situations, and then do specialized reading \
for them to generate move candidates in the area, then top-level \
logic to decide which is biggest and when to tenuki
mmueller [4d?\]: Crazystone uses more knowledge than other Montecarlo \
programs
Zahlman [1k\]: or at least, traditionally it was like that.
Gaijin [6k\]: game was over at f3
aware [2k\]: ah - thx mmueller
Sela [13k\]: what's the proper response to w C8?
Zahlman [1k\]: very hard programming; a heuristic intended to \
make it stronger in some situations would sometimes confuse it \
in other very simple situations in the unit tests
Sela [13k\]: I tried bA7
Sela [13k\]: and bC9
Sela [13k\]: but both ways ended up with white living
chipper [-\]: B A7 kills
Gaijin [6k\]: b a7 steals eye space either way
Zahlman [1k\]: sela, what is your next move after a7?
MrShintou [-\]: white is already dead :D
chipper [-\]: Yes
Sela [13k\]: wA6
Zahlman [1k\]: then c9, what next?]
BL[2492.866];W[df]
C[Gaijin [6k\]: wa6 = b c8]
WL[1775.546]
;B[de]
C[Sela [13k\]: b9
rouq [5k?\]: mogo beat 9p in 19x19h7 game??
Zahlman [1k\]: then a8
Sela [13k\]: . . . ah
MrShintou [-\]: 9hc rouq
Sela [13k\]: i actually know that shape, lol, can't believe i \
missed it
Sela [13k\]: thanks
MrShintou [-\]: and i'm not sure if the pro was trying.
inte [?\]: 7 hc yesterday
rouq [5k?\]: yes yesterday
fengitreon [-\]: a7
Toge [3k\]: Pros are about 8d-9d KGS
chipper [-\]: Today will be playing 1p with 6h later on
Q161 [19k\]: ooo
Q161 [19k\]: what time?
aware [2k\]: f6 in an futile attempt to get out?
DarkLife [-\]: 6h in 9x9?
Zahlman [1k\]: mogo must get really confused in high handicap \
games because the stones are already where it wants to play... \
lol
chipper [-\]: Yes
aware [2k\]: no..6h on 19x19
Gaijin [6k\]: prolly 8-9d kgs only because KGS tops out at 9d \
and ranking doesnt account for higher
Sela [13k\]: Mogo vs Myeung Wan we saw that in spades
Zahlman [1k\]: which 1p, chipper?
chipper [-\]: Oh I'm sorry, 19x19 yes
tzuge: what's so confusing about that? just stack the stones
chipper [-\]: Pro is Li-Chen Chien
Q161 [19k\]: what time is it going to be?
Zahlman [1k\]: a new one?
Sela [13k\]: It ended up playing several unneeded 'extra shimari' \
moves, since MoGo doesn't try to win by a large margin
chipper [-\]: Different from yesterdays, yes Zahlman
Toge [3k\]: There are virtual ranks above 8d, but not strong enough \
players to play ranked games and maintaining 9d rank :)
Toge [3k\]: 9d*]
BL[2483.139];W[gf]
C[Zahlman [1k\]: someone should add the "padding a lead is sometimes \
a good way to protect it" module to the go bots ^^]
WL[1615.65];B[he]
C[Zahlman [1k\]: b must be bored now
inte [?\]: oh they try. it's called dynamic komi, IIRC.
tzuge: maybe a resign module as well
kddk [8k\]: is Mogo a bot?
Gaijin [6k\]: "your continued play is embarassing"
MrShintou [-\]: i think i could beat mogo in a 9x9
MrShintou [-\]: watching these games, it always makes the same \
error
Zahlman [1k\]: I could have played everything b did :/
Gaijin [6k\]: getting it to make that error is the trick :)
ChoMama [-\]: i thought yesterday mogo beat 6d?
Vanilla [5k\]: it will use different variations zahlman :\\
MrShintou [-\]: gaijin its make this error 6 out of 6 times
kddk [8k\]: what error?
chipper [-\]: <gmt>2009-02-11 06:00</gmt> Is the time for the \
19x19 6h game against Li-Chen Chien
Gaijin [6k\]: based on which moves is what I mean
MrShintou [-\]: it always makes 2 groups as white, and always \
dies in top or bottom
Gaijin [6k\]: if b plays correctly yes, if not then maybe no error
Zahlman [1k\]: ooh, only 40 minutes or so
Gaijin [6k\]: assuming b starts in center
Q161 [19k\]: which time zone? EST?
MrShintou [-\]: if i play e5  he will play on top or bottom then \
i play g5 he will play opposite side then i play c5  and he protects \
one side and i kill the other
chipper [-\]: Q161, that will be your local time
Gaijin [6k\]: if b plays elsehwere so does w
Q161 [19k\]: ok thanks very much
chipper [-\]: If it's italicized]
BL[2467.728];W[ae]
C[chipper [-\]: means local :)]
WL[1481.704];B[bf]
C[Zahlman [1k\]: guzumi \\o/
Toge [3k\]: It's easy to see with plain eye that white hasn't \
got a chance. I think artificial intelligence should have... \
perception.
Lynx [2d\]: this 19x19 mogo is astonishing in some ways
Lynx [2d\]: it has such interesting play
Isildur [4k\]: a5=lol
MrShintou [-\]: what it did to the top left was pretty good
Zahlman [1k\]: toge, it depends what you mean by "should" :)
LogicWind [4k\]: perhaps the problem is the computer doesn't know \
how to fill in the gaps
Gaijin [6k\]: thats the problem, artificial intelligence is based \
on math and therefore lacks perception - has only prediction
Cail [2k\]: toge, in one of the games i thought w had died, but \
then it did some tricky liberty stuff
CREZT [19k?\]: how hard would it be to give a bot atrificial perception?
chipper [-\]: Haha..
Gaijin [6k\]: comps plays odds, not recognition
Zahlman [1k\]: according to some philosophers and mathematicians, \
completely impossible, ever
LogicWind [4k\]: not really]
BL[2459.548];W[af]
C[Gaijin [6k\]: impossible as we know it anyway :)
Zahlman [1k\]: iirc, roger penrose made an interesting argument \
about it
CHenchman [22k?\]: I could probably do it eventually]
WL[1359.139];B[bg]
C[CHOWstyle [3k\]: whats mogo doing now?
CREZT [19k?\]: dying
MrShintou [-\]: mogo thinks it can make an eye
Isildur [4k\]: flailing
Gaijin [6k\]: if comp could learn recognition then perception \
is possible
PaperTiger [4k\]: Now he's playing like a 20kyu.  See, isn't that \
human?
Zahlman [1k\]: lol if you did that chenchman you would be very \
famous indeed
Isildur [4k\]: heh
Zahlman [1k\]: papertiger, only on KGS :D
CHenchman [22k?\]: I'm studying pattern recognition techniques \
right now
inte [?\]: mogo is giving b opportunities to make mistakes. in \
its own universe, those aren't as unlikely as they are to us.
inte [?\]: mogo has inhuman strengths and inhuman weaknesses :)
chipper [-\]: stress test is not a bad idea on a human
eoe [11k\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?GetStrongAtCrawl imo
Sela [13k\]: Hmm...the entire game is lost if mogo lives. Of course, \
mogo doesn't live; but - it's still neat to me
MrShintou [-\]: chenchman as a compsci student in HS we had to \
program a perceptive AI in C, and it was very difficult
Gaijin [6k\]: one could argue all advanced levels of intelligence \
are directly tied to levels of pattern recognition
Gaijin [6k\]: including communication itself]
BL[2449.387];W[cb]
C[Zahlman [1k\]: I think b could catch up on territory while letting \
w live now actually :)]
WL[1242.846];B[ca]
C[eoe [11k\]: if mogo were b he'd probably do that :)
Isildur [4k\]: bzzt must play slowly and wait for human to fall \
asleep bzzzt whr click
Zahlman [1k\]: or maybe switch to kill bottom instead just for \
fun
Q161 [19k\]: lol isildur :P
Cail [2k\]: now w resign
CREZT [19k?\]: hopefull
Lynx [2d\]: knowing w, w will now play h8
Gaijin [6k\]: isnt set to resign 9x9
tzuge: AI player just has to DoS attack opponent's connection \
to win by time
CREZT [19k?\]: hopefully*
chipper [-\]: not h8, will play f6 and push through
Zahlman [1k\]: lool]
BL[2432.857];W[ba]
C[terrorist [5k\]: the moment of truth
chipper [-\]: after all that, then h8]
WL[1140.666]
;B[ac]
C[Zahlman [1k\]: nah there is at least one more ko threat terrorist \
:)
chipper [-\]: seems like that's how this thing works
MrShintou [-\]: White can live!! in the bottom right...
CHOWstyle [3k\]: how can this bot be 2k?
inte [?\]: a6 a8 resign?
terrorist [5k\]: I was thinking black may capture c9
terrorist [5k\]: i mean protect
Isildur [4k\]: bleep whirrr curses, filthy human is still awake \
blooop beep click
MrShintou [-\]: lol isildur
inte [?\]: hmm. I guess w will play f6 too.
MrShintou [-\]: black is watching tv right now :D
fghhf: white will pass, thinks it is gote]
BL[2410.631];W[ab]
C[Gaijin [6k\]: prolly pron]
WL[1047.032];B[ad]
C[Zahlman [1k\]: ahem
Gaijin [6k\]: my bad?
chipper [-\]: Let's keep the chat focused on game and family-friendly
inte [?\]: a8. oh, of course, one more opportunity for b to blunder.
niki [2k\]: i think someone needs to check mogo again
Gaijin [6k\]: <apologies
Sela [13k\]: 4 false eyes > 2 real eyes!
MrShintou [-\]: :D
chipper [-\]: how did you get 4? :)
CHOWstyle [3k\]: did they just made mogo weaker for this event \
ehh?
Zahlman [1k\]: b7 gogogo
Sela [13k\]: (just an exaggeration)
masek [-\]: это финал
Anthony22 [6k\]: mogo is sleepy
Q161 [19k\]: koneshna
inte [?\]: so now b7 a6 f6 f5 resign? hmm. who knows :)
aware [2k\]: a8 imho a clear sign that mogo has massive problems \
with l&d recognition for some reason
LogicWind [4k\]: guys, actually, mogo is waiting for nutngo to \
resign as a courtesy
Sela [13k\]: ???
Sela [13k\]: wha?
Zahlman [1k\]: lol
Gaijin [6k\]: b could pass...]
BL[2402.737];W[fd]
C[CHOWstyle [3k\]: I wonder what the pro is thinking about mogo]
WL[960.754];B[fe]
C[Cail [2k\]: did white gain liberties by that mess?
chipper [-\]: White will play out all ko threats :)
chrono3450 [2d\]: doesn't matter
chrono3450 [2d\]: there is no rae
chrono3450 [2d\]: race
chipper [-\]: Zahlman is correct
inte [?\]: aware, mogo has no life and death module; it has to \
read out the situation in its tree search. the random playouts \
it uses as an evaluation function will contain blunders, which \
make it look like the group could live, to mogo.
Gaijin [6k\]: about b7?
LogicWind [4k\]: once there is h6, j5 and b3, mogo will resign
niki [2k\]: G6 first?
Anthony22 [6k\]: whats the point in liberties?
Gaijin [6k\]: w is totally toast
Sampi [2k\]: who or what is nutngo?
Archaic [1d\]: maybe mogo is just playing dumbly]
BL[2395.221];W[gd]
C[Archaic [1d\]: cause it already knows it lost by points
Archaic [1d\]: in the beginning
Gaijin [6k\]: and if keeps playing top may die outright
niki [2k\]: yay]
WL[881.501];B[hd]
C[Anthony22 [6k\]: mogo is doing time suji
CHOWstyle [3k\]: mogo just refuses to admit defeat till the last \
moment..
eoe [11k\]: inte: interesting
niki [2k\]: i can predict bad computer thoughts
Zahlman [1k\]: while losing on time?
Anthony22 [6k\]: he just learned
Gaijin [6k\]: mogo will not pass first is the issue here
Isildur [4k\]: Sampi, nutngo is an amateur dan
Sampi [2k\]: ah
Sela [13k\]: Mogo is finished - it is USELESS to resist. Give \
in to the darkside!
Gaijin [6k\]: I guess if b passed when connected w would too
niki [2k\]: the black side
Archaic [1d\]: no cause mogo beat couple people by .5
peach [2d?\]: w can alive?
Archaic [1d\]: and with much more complicated variations than \
this
Anthony22 [6k\]: did mogo pass the turing test?]
BL[2386.159];W[hb]
C[Archaic [1d\]: so it's obvious it's not that it's stupid in l*d
MrShintou [-\]: failiure
Anthony22 [6k\]: oo..]
WL[806.258];B[hc]
C[MrShintou [-\]: e is trying to make a race
MrShintou [-\]: but its impossible.
Zahlman [1k\]: :D
Archaic [1d\]: just that it's playing dumb moves cause it already \
calculated it lost by points in the beginning
Toge [3k\]: Layered thinking would be closer to human. Firstly \
check that all groups are alive (or possible to make life)
Gaijin [6k\]: it is prolly only playing because b hasn't passed \
yet
Archaic [1d\]: the thing this bot is missing
MrShintou [-\]: white may play g8 then F7 then resign
Gaijin [6k\]: it knows it is dead
Archaic [1d\]: is the ability to end a game with as shameless \
a loss as possible losing by the least amount of points possible
Anthony22 [6k\]: 'it' seems rather rude, gaijin
Gaijin [6k\]: it is programmed not to pass first
Capsule [4d\]: just have it say "lol" after a desperate move, \
"hi" in the beginning, "thx" at the end, and it'll pass the turing \
test with flying colors.
Archaic [1d\]: so instead of trying to end this game with as small \
of a loss as possible it is only concerned with winning/losing
Sampi [2k\]: bots cant be 'rude']
BL[2376.193])
