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GM[1]FF[4]VW[]AP[Many Faces of Go version 12.001]
SZ[19]
HA[7]
ST[0]
PB[Mogo]
PW[nutngo]
DT[2009-02-13]
PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
KM[0.5]
TM[0]
RU[Chinese]
RE[W+Resign]
OT[10x40 byo-yomi]
C[Mogo [-\]: GTP Engine for Mogo (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll \
resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you \
passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some \
stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will \
agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have \
not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play \
until the end :'( (very rare cases)]
CA[UTF-8];B[dd]BL[40]OB[10];B[dj]BL[40]OB[10];B[dp]BL[40]OB[10];B[pd]BL[40]OB[10];B[pj]BL[40]OB[10];B[pp]BL[40]OB[10];B[jj]BL[40]OB[10];W[nq]WL[40]OW[10]
;B[qm]BL[40]OB[10];W[fq]
C[Sarcasm [?\]: uhm]
WL[40]OW[10];B[cm]
C[HiwaKaoru [14k\]: Who's w today?]
BL[40]OB[10];W[fc]WL[40]OW[10];B[mc]BL[40]OB[10];W[cf]
C[Korlon [2k\]: Jun-Xun Zhou]
WL[40]OW[10];B[df]BL[40]OB[10];W[dg]
C[inte [?\]: (same person as three days ago.)
Joss93 [8k\]: how rank is black ?
ampwyo [9k\]: 9p i think]
WL[40]OW[10];B[ef]
C[HiwaKaoru [14k\]: b = bot]
BL[40]OB[10];W[cd]
C[ampwyo [9k\]: oops like 3 or so
flippant [5k?\]: black is somewhere 1p-3p
Lilltiger [1d\]: B is 5d on 9x9 they say.
Hagios [3k\]: b is mogo on a 640 core computer.  Definitely not \
weak :)
Korlon [2k\]: Black's 2 or 3 dan on 19x19
Mogo [-\]: GTP Engine for Mogo (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll \
resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you \
passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some \
stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will \
agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have \
not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play \
until the end :'( (very rare cases)
fghhf: c17 c15 d18 
Korlon [2k\]: Or so they surmise
Cleasha [5d?\]: At 640 cores is Mogo 5d on 9x9?
Mogo [-\]: GTP Engine for Mogo (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll \
resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you \
passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some \
stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will \
agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have \
not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play \
until the end :'( (very rare cases)
rhuin [10k\]: i think everytime you say "mogo"
Lilltiger [1d\]: Cleasha: thats what the pro said they estimated \
it to
Korlon [2k\]: At 640 cores, Mogo crashes
SlowThinkr [2d\]: mogo
helloworld [4k\]: look at mogo's record]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[cc]
C[chipper [-\]: Not good :)]
BL[40]OB[9];W[ce]
C[Lilltiger [1d\]: but im not sure on how strong computer was used
Korlon [2k\]: Same super computer probably]
WL[40]OW[10];B[dc]
C[rhuin [10k\]: Mogo
karnold2 [1d\]: w should just play moves that wouldnt be in mogo's \
database
Lilltiger [1d\]: very likely
chipper [-\]: The information is on their website korlon
flippant [5k?\]: mogo doesn't have a database of moves]
BL[40]OB[9];W[de]
C[fghhf: D17 bad already
Korlon [2k\]: Wonder what would happen if you played something \
like A19.  It'd probably explode
chipper [-\]: Hardly, it'll ignore..
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: Mogo mad, mogo smash you puny humans.
chipper [-\]: Any 30k will ignore.. also]
WL[40]OW[10];B[ee]
C[bobo [15k\]: we gooon have more wacky ladders
rhuin [10k\]: no. not any]
BL[40]OB[9];W[ed]
C[karnold2 [1d\]: that's trouble my friends
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: ladders = mogo die lol
bobo [15k\]: yeps
bobo [15k\]: why i said that
Lilltiger [1d\]: wouldent be a true ai if it had :) like in chess \
a computer would beat any human eaven the strongest players there \
is easy if they used an database appratch.. but thats not an \
AI :D]
WL[40]OW[10];B[cg]
C[bobo [15k\]: other night it kept douing flawed ladders
NattyIce [1k\]: is this the 9p junxun?
ampwyo [9k\]: chess is at least potentially solvable... go is \
not
Lilltiger [1d\]: go is as well
bobo [15k\]: mg]
BL[40]OB[9];W[bg]
C[rhuin [10k\]: anything thats finite is solvable in theory
bobo [15k\]: that like saying chess is less astronomical
Lilltiger [1d\]: just not with todays computer power
flippant [5k?\]: is "solvable" = beat all humans?
bobo [15k\]: ridiculous
ampwyo [9k\]: means perfect
bobo [15k\]: go is fintie
bobo [15k\]: chess is finite
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: So, why do people think there is a "perfect" \
game? Is there such, and what would it be. . .]
WL[40]OW[10];B[ch]BL[40]OB[9];W[bh]
C[rhuin [10k\]: or what.. zero sum game of perfect information with \
finite move options?
bobo [15k\]: the fact that they both have more posiitons that \
theorized atroms in the universe
bobo [15k\]: is a problem
karnold2 [1d\]: they already know the perfect game for 9x9
rhuin [10k\]: it just means we need a bigger universe
Lilltiger [1d\]: no solveable has diferent degrees,  a game that \
is totaly solvde the best possible move for evry countermove \
is found]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[eh]BL[40]OB[9];W[bc]
C[HiwaKaoru [14k\]: Liti: why do that, ruins the fun in it D:
bobo [15k\]: if one position or byte = one atom you cant store \
chessi nthe univers
flippant [5k?\]: there's about 10^(10^50) possible games of chess. \
so i don't think it's perfectly solvable
bobo [15k\]: it is solvabvle
chipper [-\]: Please focus on the game
bobo [15k\]: just not now
bobo [15k\]: \\or any itme soon
chipper [-\]: Not chess vs go
bobo [15k\]: go is also sovable
bobo [15k\]: just not now]
WL[40]OW[10];B[bb]BL[40]OB[9];W[bd]
C[chipper [-\]: People have had this topic many times, please focus \
on the game
bobo [15k\]: or anytime soon
bobo [15k\]: i know
bobo [15k\]: its ridiuclous
chipper [-\]: bobo, hint hint
bobo [15k\]: all the worlds computers would take 400 millenia \
to solve chess
Lilltiger [1d\]: HiwaKaoru: because go is an simple geometric \
game there as a perfect mathematical solution, it's just very \
hard to find :)
bobo [15k\]: its not goona happen
bobo [15k\]: any time soon
bobo [15k\]: 4000 millenia]
WL[40]OW[10];B[fb]
C[bobo [15k\]: i mean
fghhf: use the banhammer!
bobo [15k\]: thats every comp in the world
Lilltiger [1d\]: whats most intresting with mogo is his play speed]
BL[40]OB[9];W[gb]
C[royu [5d\]: any finite zero sum game has a maximum strategy
bobo [15k\]: ok
bobo [15k\]: sorry
bobo [15k\]: didnt see
flippant [5k?\]: doesn't mogo just use all his available time \
every move
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: Human brain is faster, lol :P]
WL[40]OW[10];B[fd]BL[40]OB[9];W[ec]
C[HiwaKaoru [14k\]: black's slow with joseki, why?
SunnyD [2d\]: I take 4 stones from B
Lilltiger [1d\]: royu: naa not all, some has stupid rules that \
prevents that, like thoes kid games that is actually impossible \
to beat :)]
WL[40]OW[10];B[eb]BL[40]OB[9];W[gc]
C[Burton [7k\]: why are the times so short for this open?
Lilltiger [1d\]: joseki is local there might be better globaly \
ways to play it]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[gd]BL[40]OB[9];W[db]
C[flippant [5k?\]: mogo probably doesn't handle joseki like humans \
do
InExtremis [2d\]: wow, really, sunnyd
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: Well true, but it takes so long to consider. \
And in a semeai, bots think of other moves?
chipper [-\]: Mogo is funny with L&D
NattyIce [1k\]: so this is zhou junxun please answer???
chipper [-\]: Yes NattyIce
NattyIce [1k\]: word]
WL[40]OW[10];B[cb]BL[40]OB[9];W[da]
C[fghhf: result is horreble for black now]
WL[40]OW[10];B[hc]BL[40]OB[9];W[hb]
C[robertm [1d\]: but he'll make it up in volume
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: Mogo should hack kgs and delete some of Zhou-sama's \
pieces :P]
WL[40]OW[10];B[ic]BL[40]OB[9];W[fa]
C[Lilltiger [1d\]: the result is pretty good for mogo
mof [2d\]: does it save searches between moves?
SunnyD [2d\]: B is good
InExtremis [2d\]: b ends in sente with nice thickness
bobo [15k\]: i tink its works on a random search
Korlon [2k\]: That thickness looks weak
flippant [5k?\]: it does save some searches between moves
Korlon [2k\]: So many cuts
bobo [15k\]: it splaying random moves and plays the lowest probability \
of losing 
SunnyD [2d\]: 9p tricked
mof [2d\]: I've seen some time tesujis, I think, implying that \
it saves some]
WL[40]OW[10];B[mj]
C[HiwaKaoru [14k\]: random was said last time as well, but with \
a heuristic(?)
InExtremis [2d\]: haha
bobo [15k\]: its plays like 250 games at once
mof [2d\]: ok, thank you bobo]
BL[40]OB[9];W[qd]
C[InExtremis [2d\]: whoa n10
bobo [15k\]: and plays the move that lost the least
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: n10? o.o
SunnyD [2d\]: N10 strong
flippant [5k?\]: mogo loves n10 in these high-handicap games
chipper [-\]: I actually like n10 a lot
chipper [-\]: in this position
bobo [15k\]: so when it gets behind it only goes ofr obvious tactics
mof [2d\]: and flippnat
bobo [15k\]: thas its flw
bobo [15k\]: it has no real heuristics to speak of]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[qc]BL[40]OB[9];W[qe]
C[flippant [5k?\]: mogo does have heuristics
bobo [15k\]: not great
flippant [5k?\]: patterns based on a local region
bobo [15k\]: functional
bobo [15k\]: barely in my opnion
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: taking the corner?]
WL[40]OW[10];B[pc]BL[40]OB[9];W[qh]
C[HiwaKaoru [14k\]: *upper region
Korlon [2k\]: Black should let go of the corner 
bobo [15k\]: the thing is it doesnt really use tree trimming
bobo [15k\]: so hearistics isnt a big part its game]
WL[40]OW[10];B[oq]BL[40]OB[9];W[np]
C[bobo [15k\]: its usuing probabilities based on random searches
flippant [5k?\]: UCT is kind of like tree trimming
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: question: is mogo a 1~3 dan amateur pr pro?
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: *or
flippant [5k?\]: there is a tree, and it uses the playout results \
to determine where to explore more on that tree]
WL[40]OW[10];B[kq]
C[Chrille [3k\]: amateur
bobo [15k\]: yes
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: thought so, ty.
bobo [15k\]: but it doeant have a voting system for moves]
BL[40]OB[9];W[qq]
C[bobo [15k\]: based on hearistic logic
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: *heu
bobo [15k\]: trhat is sophisiticated
bobo [15k\]: its just random
bobo [15k\]: i no typos
flippant [5k?\]: isn't there a simple set of heuristics]
WL[40]OW[10];B[qp]
C[HiwaKaoru [14k\]: multipe times not typo. a not near u either.
flippant [5k?\]: definitely not a complicated one because it has \
to be fast]
BL[40]OB[9];W[or]
C[chipper [-\]: HiwaKaoru, you do understand that Mogo is a computer \
program yes?
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: Yes >:o
flippant [5k?\]: but i think mogo will like, prefer to atari, \
etc
bobo [15k\]: look at the first time i types it
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: I'm not dumb ;o;
bobo [15k\]: its correct
chipper [-\]: Not too sure what you mean by 1-3 professional for \
a computer program then..]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[hq]BL[40]OB[9];W[dq]
C[brainiaq [3k\]: who is W?
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: I meant strength, not rank :O
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: Shou Jun Xun
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: *Zhou
brainiaq [3k\]: rank?
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: 9p? o.o
chipper [-\]: Right professional rank is not strength :)
chipper [-\]: yes 9p
mof [2d\]: it is a very brave little machine to go toe to toe \
with such an opponent.
brainiaq [3k\]: 9p chinese?]
WL[40]OW[10];B[cq]BL[40]OB[9];W[cp]
C[chipper [-\]: Yes seems like it
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: Okay, well profession *strength*
mof [2d\]: taiwan
chipper [-\]: Taiwanese
Lawliet311 [1k\]: the red faced go warrior
brainiaq [3k\]: I didn't know taiwan had their own pros
Joss93 [8k\]: p stronger than d ?
SunnyD [2d\]: be nice law
Lawliet311 [1k\]: ya they do lol
Lilltiger [1d\]: W will win by intimidating B :p
Lawliet311 [1k\]: zhang xu is like 
Lawliet311 [1k\]: from taiwna too]
WL[40]OW[10];B[eq]
C[Lawliet311 [1k\]: youngest to win jap throne titles]
BL[40]OB[9];W[dr]
C[HiwaKaoru [14k\]: Hey, if w gets behind, he may alway unplug mogo \
:P
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: *always
mof [2d\]: that'd be mean
nutngo2: Yes, Mr.Zhou is a Taiwanese.
brainiaq [3k\]: he has too much honor]
WL[40]OW[10];B[ep]BL[40]OB[9];W[er]
C[HiwaKaoru [14k\]: I don't. Not that good yet u_u
mof [2d\]: in any case hiwakaoru, there are not 7 stones between \
1p and 9p
chipper [-\]: Mogo does not "know" joseki then correct?
brainiaq [3k\]: 1p and 9p play even
Lawliet311 [1k\]: professional players
Lawliet311 [1k\]: diff between 1p and 9p]
WL[40]OW[10];B[co]
C[Lawliet311 [1k\]: is at most like 1p goes as black]
BL[40]OB[9];W[bp]
C[SunnyD [2d\]: =3 stones
Lawliet311 [1k\]: and 9p as white
flippant [5k?\]: correct, mogo does not use a joseki dictionary
Lawliet311 [1k\]: most times its even game
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: I know brainaq, but computers would tend to \
have an exploitable patter. . .
tooweak4u [1k\]: its always even
cloud [1d\]: certaintly not 3 stones
tooweak4u [1k\]: a 1p can beat a 9p... its not uncommon
Lawliet311 [1k\]: mhm
SunnyD [2d\]: F4]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[bq]
C[Lawliet311 [1k\]: F 4
Lilltiger [1d\]: erlier there they counted 1/3 of a stone for \
eatch p, but now adays thats not true anylonger the lover ranked \
pros are getting stronger and stronger]
BL[40]OB[9];W[fp]
C[karnold2 [1d\]: i usually give pros a handicap or two
brainiaq [3k\]: haha
migaja [10k?\]: who is nutngo?
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: mogo lose on time. . .
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: Zhou JunXun
brainiaq [3k\]: 9p (the important part imo)
migaja [10k?\]: thx
Korlon [2k\]: Come on Mogo...
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: Hrm? He cannot decide?
flippant [5k?\]: you're rooting for mogo? i thought people would \
root for the human
migaja [10k?\]: thx brainiac
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: I root for white : )
mof [2d\]: another question, does it remember its own games? so \
it can avoid losing moves in the future?
Lilltiger [1d\]: id like root on B :p
fghhf: it crashed?
erkkierkki [14k\]: mogo crashed?
erkkierkki [14k\]: or disced?
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: AI would imply that mof. . 
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: Mogo is lagging, lol.
phlict [1d?\]: B5 only moove here, right? 
brainiaq [3k\]: that's been happening
mof [2d\]: or it escaped :-)
karnold2 [1d\]: w gave mogo a virus
brainiaq [3k\]: mogo d/c a lot
robertm [1d\]: mogo determined not to get in a ladder again
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: Why not have untimed game?
Admean [?\]: mogo is at the bar
Admean [?\]: flirting with girls
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: LOL
NateC [1k\]: d6 is plausible
karnold2 [1d\]: mogo is programmed to use all his time, if it \
was untimed mogo would never move
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: f5 bad?
cloud [1d\]: f5 possible
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: ah, that's quite a bad thin then.
Chrille [3k\]: mogo got more time?
brainiaq [3k\]: obviously dc
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: I'd hope. Mogo needs it :P
teytaud [?\]: arf ?
karnold2 [1d\]: mogo got a lot more time
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: arf?
phlict [1d?\]: if f5 was b objective, then b shoudl have played \
f4 instead of b3 i think
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: question: w b5, b b6 = small/big mistake?
cloud [1d\]: yes, but mogo doesnt have an objective
bobstep [8k\]: if f5,b5
cloud [1d\]: its just looking at each move individually
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: cloud: that is a problem, isn't it?
bobstep [8k\]: clock stopped again
helloworld [4k\]: mogo crashed ;(
Korlon [2k\]: Go Mogo gooo
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: Mogo needs a dring.
less [9k\]: mogo reads it to the end now..
robertm [1d\]: Go Charlie Brown  Go
karnold2 [1d\]: mogo is half robot half rooster
helloworld [4k\]: mogo making a salami sandwhich
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: *drink
karnold2 [1d\]: i bet somebody just tripped on mogo's power cord
karnold2 [1d\]: it takes a while to turn 640 computers back on
bobo [15k\]: lol
Q161 [17k\]: erk
Mogo [-\]: GTP Engine for Mogo (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll \
resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you \
passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some \
stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will \
agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have \
not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play \
until the end :'( (very rare cases)
helloworld [4k\]: mogo is skynet is disguise
mof [2d\]: how on earth do they connect them? it uses pcs from \
a university?
erkkierkki [14k\]: Mogo online!
doduff [5k?\]: i think bot may be more confused with handicap]
WL[40]OW[10];B[bo]
C[brainiaq [3k\]: it's 1 machine with 640 cores
cloud [1d\]: f6
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: Possible, my opinion is handicaps hurt more \
: (
fghhf: G2
karnold2 [1d\]: d5
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: h4 : )
erkkierkki [14k\]: timer not running?
karnold2 [1d\]: w escaped
Q161 [17k\]: maybe crash again
teytaud [?\]: human disconnected ?
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: this is true, lol
mof [2d\]: ty brainiaq
karnold2 [1d\]: nutngo crashed
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: Zhou needs a cig lol
bobo [15k\]: e6
nutngo2: Yes, the internet is crashed.
brainiaq [3k\]: couldn't bear the shame of losin
teytaud [?\]: trouble with the connection in Taiwan seemingly \
?
brainiaq [3k\]: g
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: omg!
nutngo2: Now, we are trying to continie.
bobo [15k\]: f5
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: nutngo has a brother, lol
karnold2 [1d\]: ah
teytaud [?\]: If an admin can add time to mogo ?
Q161 [17k\]: is nutngo 9p?
erkkierkki [14k\]: hah white should play g10 and mogo instant \
resigns :D
nutngo2: Yes, nutngo is9P.
Q161 [17k\]: cool
phlict [1d?\]: w h5 maybe?
brainiaq [3k\]: nutgo2, can you get nutgo to sign back in
fghhf: H5 not gonna happen
fghhf: bad shape
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: h4!
carbon729 [3d\]: nutngo has given mogo 5 min. more?
bobo [15k\]: f5
fghhf: white wants to attack not make him stronger
carbon729 [3d\]: which mogo can not understand....
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: f5
bobo [15k\]: f5 makes d5 threat
Chrille [3k\]: c4 in atari
bobo [15k\]: oh lol
bobo [15k\]: doh
nutngo2: We are trying to add more time to MoGo.
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: two move threat, lol
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: w m2?
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: or thereabouts. . .
nutngo2: Yes, nutngo2 is trying to get mogo back in.
phlict [1d?\]: maybe w l17 or somesuch?
fghhf: the lower side is very urgent
karnold2 [1d\]: where is nutngo1?]
BL[198.398];W[gr]
C[karnold2 [1d\]: why does mogo get so much more time?
fghhf: G2 only move
Joss93 [8k\]: h3 l3 looks weakness
karnold2 [1d\]: i think adding time to mogo crashes it
hoiko12 [14k\]: mogo disconnectedd??
karnold2 [1d\]: this is a trick
Q161 [17k\]: wut, another crash?
helloworld [4k\]: skynet got impatient
teytaud [?\]: I can launch mogo, if there's no problem with time \
settings.
hoiko12 [14k\]: kk
hoiko12 [14k\]: and that means squat 
Mogo [-\]: GTP Engine for Mogo (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll \
resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you \
passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some \
stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will \
agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have \
not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play \
until the end :'( (very rare cases)
hoiko12 [14k\]: yay
Mogo [-\]: GTP Engine for Mogo (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll \
resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you \
passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some \
stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will \
agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have \
not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play \
until the end :'( (very rare cases)
themathguy [17k\]: ish
hoiko12 [14k\]: no ish
hoiko12 [14k\]: just yay
Mogo [-\]: GTP Engine for Mogo (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll \
resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you \
passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some \
stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will \
agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have \
not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play \
until the end :'( (very rare cases)
bobo [15k\]: lol
themathguy [17k\]: insta-crash!
hoiko12 [14k\]: ok......
brainiaq [3k\]: we need a reboot
kago [2d?\]: it has to repeat 3 times cuz we are human
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: So Mogo has cancer?
themathguy [17k\]: MoGo needs work on the stability end of things
hoiko12 [14k\]: did mogo shave his head
karnold2 [1d\]: mogo, don't spam
bobo [15k\]: lmao
helloworld [4k\]: mogo bm eh
fghhf: let him
Mogo [-\]: GTP Engine for Mogo (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll \
resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you \
passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some \
stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will \
agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have \
not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play \
until the end :'( (very rare cases)
brainiaq [3k\]: yea can we have an admin boot mogo
kago [2d?\]: whoa
fghhf: hes a bit confused
hoiko12 [14k\]: no kidding
karnold2 [1d\]: GTP Engine for Mogo (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: \
I'll resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If \
you passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some \
stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will \
agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have \
not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play \
until the end :'( (very rare cases)
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: No spamming, lol]
WL[40]OW[10];B[in]
C[HiwaKaoru [14k\]: -_-
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: YAY!
bobo [15k\]: yay]
BL[757.754];W[rq]
C[cloud [1d\]: j6???
brainiaq [3k\]: classic mogo
fghhf: J6 not a bad idea
hoiko12 [14k\]: weeee ssshhouuullddd tttaaaalllllkkkkk ssllloooowwwlllyyy \
sssssoooo hhheeee ccccaaannn unnndddeeerrrssssttttaaaannnnddd
chipper [-\]: No.
hoiko12 [14k\]: jerk
themathguy [17k\]: slowly and loudly
chipper [-\]: Now, please be nice
hoiko12 [14k\]: talk slowly]
WL[40]OW[10];B[ln]
C[karnold2 [1d\]: lol]
BL[1320.925];W[jp]
C[brainiaq [3k\]: clinic in reduction
hoiko12 [14k\]: i mean ttttaaallllkkkk ssssllllloooowwwlllyyy
hoiko12 [14k\]: wtf mate
karnold2 [1d\]: j6 = only a computer would play, s3 = only a pro \
would play]
WL[40]OW[10];B[jq]BL[1283.03];W[hp]
C[fghhf: i would play S3
karnold2 [1d\]: thats because youre pro
bobo [15k\]: or maybe it would be an element of randomness
fghhf: "makes a screenshot"]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[kp]BL[1246.575];W[jo]
C[bobo [15k\]: like mogo
hoiko12 [14k\]: random muffins   
hoiko12 [14k\]: bye yall]
WL[40]OW[10];B[jn]BL[1211.562];W[fn]WL[40]OW[10];B[ip]BL[1176.716];W[io]WL[40]OW[10];B[ho]BL[1141.879];W[iq]WL[40]OW[10];B[ko]
C[HiwaKaoru [14k\]: b g4?]
BL[1106.983];W[ip]
C[matjet [2k\]: ?
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: nvm~
matjet [2k\]: should mgo have gone j2 or g4??]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[ir]
C[HiwaKaoru [14k\]: mogo will now play a1. . .]
BL[1072.162];W[gp]
C[bobo [15k\]: the dereaded a1 attack]
WL[40]OW[10];B[hr]
C[fghhf: mogo deserves a cookie, good moves
bobo [15k\]: mogo cant eat it
bobo [15k\]: oh an internet cookie ?
bobo [15k\]: lol
karnold2 [1d\]: lol]
BL[1037.562];W[cr]WL[40]OW[10];B[br]
C[bobo [15k\]: is there a name for the thumbs down looing shape]
BL[1003.097];W[do]
C[HiwaKaoru [14k\]: blob?
erkkierkki [14k\]: let see if mogo is lured for this trick]
WL[40]OW[10];B[eo]BL[968.944];W[dn]
C[erkkierkki [14k\]: and it is
erkkierkki [14k\]: :D
karnold2 [1d\]: what trick?]
WL[40]OW[10];B[ap]BL[934.567];W[cp]
C[fghhf: J4 shape a big loss for white
erkkierkki [14k\]: what white is doing at the moment
karnold2 [1d\]: protecting his cuts
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: ko thread]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[en]BL[900.571];W[em]
C[jer5d [7d\]: atari
karnold2 [1d\]: leave it to the 7d
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: atari obvios.]
WL[40]OW[10];B[bp]
C[HiwaKaoru [14k\]: w forcing b to live :o]
BL[865.651];W[fo]
C[karnold2 [1d\]: no hes not
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: and getting a nice center thingie]
WL[40]OW[10];B[cp]
C[matjet [2k\]: mogo is takes about the same time for this move \
as any other..]
BL[830.938];W[gl]
C[brainiaq [3k\]: mogo has simple time management 
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: matjet: I think that's a bad thing, it should \
be obvious : ( Unless it read ahead?
karnold2 [1d\]: all players need time managment]
WL[40]OW[10];B[hn]BL[797.134];W[ek]
C[jer5d [7d\]: kill
brainiaq [3k\]: kill who?
karnold2 [1d\]: some very beautiful shapes these players make]
WL[40]OW[10];B[dm]BL[763.194];W[el]
C[bobo [15k\]: watching a 9p is like kungfu go
carbon729 [3d\]: kungfu go?
matjet [2k\]: who is playing nutgo this time?
Q161 [17k\]: why did w sac those 2 stones?
brainiaq [3k\]: 9p
bobo [15k\]: yeah he reversed him into the wall
carbon729 [3d\]: mogo plays holiwood go?
nocturne19 [5k\]: good idea =))]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[gm]
C[jer5d [7d\]: yeah]
BL[728.751];W[fm]
C[brainiaq [3k\]: because getting into center way way bigger than \
2 stones]
WL[40]OW[10];B[gj]
C[royu [5d\]: dangerous for w]
BL[694.572];W[cl]
C[brainiaq [3k\]: i wanna see the living tesuji here, cuase i woudl \
die as w
fghhf: yes]
WL[40]OW[10];B[dl]
C[royu [5d\]: i think in hands of top level players, w might die]
BL[660.296];W[dk]
C[HiwaKaoru [14k\]: w dead??? o.o
karnold2 [1d\]: if w die itd be so embarrasing
nameok [13k\]: looks dead
fghhf: f6 was a big mistake]
WL[40]OW[10];B[ck]BL[1226.011];W[cj]
C[FennecFox [3k\]: w needs e10 for life
brainiaq [3k\]: life
nocturne19 [5k\]: w can live
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: w no have two eyes at bottom?
brainiaq [3k\]: no
erkkierkki [14k\]: white has two eyes
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: : (
Q161 [17k\]: 9p doesnt know how to die!
brainiaq [3k\]: if f1 then b g3
nocturne19 [5k\]: yeah]
WL[40]OW[10];B[bl]BL[1190.966];W[bk]
C[matjet [2k\]: ah setting up ko's again
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: aji is so useful -.-
karnold2 [1d\]: computers get confused on kos]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[ci]BL[1156.572];W[cl]
C[HiwaKaoru [14k\]: w is alive now?
fghhf: black should not play this ko
brainiaq [3k\]: if not then w lives 
karasu [3d\]: yes,w alive]
WL[40]OW[10];B[pr]BL[1121.773];W[pq]
C[nocturne19 [5k\]: 9p doesn't know how to die
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: So why the ko?
karnold2 [1d\]: wow, mogo actually played a ko threat
nocturne19 [5k\]: i like that
phlict [1d?\]: living is not enough... w playing handi so have \
to live aggressively =)]
WL[40]OW[10];B[op]BL[1086.937];W[nr]
C[brainiaq [3k\]: ha, got rid of one of his ko threats]
WL[40]OW[10];B[ck]BL[1052.564];W[bj]
C[karnold2 [1d\]: w confident
MrFake [?\]: w strong
brainiaq [3k\]: yea that's confident]
WL[40]OW[10];B[no]
C[phlict [1d?\]: w has g9 as a last resort anyway]
BL[1018.456];W[rp]
C[FennecFox [3k\]: G9 works without e10?
karnold2 [1d\]: as long as e10 sente
karnold2 [1d\]: but g9 doesnt work if black plays g9..]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[ej]BL[984.42];W[cl]
C[matjet [2k\]: uh oh
MrFake [?\]: kill
jibafa [3k\]: q14 for b]
WL[40]OW[10];B[ph]BL[950.043];W[pg]
C[brainiaq [3k\]: g9 local threat]
WL[40]OW[10];B[qg]BL[915.669];W[rg]
C[fghhf: R13 despred
fghhf: there we go!
karnold2 [1d\]: despred?
Q161 [17k\]: is w losing?
erkkierkki [14k\]: no mogo no ladder trap]
WL[40]OW[10];B[qi]
C[erkkierkki [14k\]: mini ladder at least]
BL[881.226];W[qf]
C[matjet [2k\]: funny. when mogo plays a threat, he doesn't just \
retake the ko, but continues playing elsewhere
karnold2 [1d\]: mogo forgot about the ko?
brainiaq [3k\]: confused by it
themathguy [17k\]: bigger fish to fry?
MrFake [?\]: awesome sequence by b]
WL[40]OW[10];B[ck]BL[846.861];W[fk]
C[karnold2 [1d\]: mogo has short-term memory problems
Q161 [17k\]: is w losing badly?]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[gk]BL[812.308];W[cl]
C[HiwaKaoru [14k\]: Not at all o.o
matjet [2k\]: nope
matjet [2k\]: i rekin white is going to win.
Q161 [17k\]: O_o
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: I concur.
karnold2 [1d\]: its amazing how little territory b has already]
WL[40]OW[10];B[mg]BL[778.09];W[hm]
C[HiwaKaoru [14k\]: Down with the machines! lol
fghhf: j4 is a big blow for black
Q161 [17k\]: how will w stop b from taking center?
fghhf: *for white
fghhf: lost alot there
shika12 [-\]: black's very optimistick
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: j8 next? for w]
WL[40]OW[10];B[hl]BL[743.779];W[gn]
C[Ruca [5k\]: w will just play k14 and somehow survive.. come on.. \
mogo is just a computer
karnold2 [1d\]: w live in sente??
matjet [2k\]: wouldn't h8 be better? was that a misclick by white?]
WL[40]OW[10];B[im]
C[HiwaKaoru [14k\]: cut points. . .]
BL[708.837];W[fj]
C[brainiaq [3k\]: now reduction
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: b can't just play f11?  must think?]
WL[40]OW[10];B[fi]BL[673.785];W[bm]
C[matjet [2k\]: new report just came in " blacks territorry is illegally \
large and shall be taken away"
bobo [15k\]: d11?
bobo [15k\]: never miond
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: *repossessed, lol
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: by w >:D]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[ck]
C[matjet [2k\]: exactly]
BL[639.398];W[hk]
C[MrFake [?\]: a8...
bobo [15k\]: wowzers
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: -sigh- W has SO many ko threats to use. . .
karnold2 [1d\]: yo yo ma
MrFake [?\]: w wants to creat bug
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: bug?]
WL[40]OW[10];B[il]BL[604.833];W[cl]
C[flippant [5k?\]: w wants to keep kos alive to confuse the computer
matjet [2k\]: white seems to be getting better at predicting how \
mogo will play
lofuchi [3k\]: but is that too late?]
WL[40]OW[10];B[cn]BL[570.41];W[hd]
C[FennecFox [3k\]: w's double ko is a beauty
Q161 [17k\]: yay white!
MrFake [?\]: tricky master
karnold2 [1d\]: the more ko the better]
WL[40]OW[10];B[fg]BL[535.928];W[lc]
C[HiwaKaoru [14k\]: g13?
brainiaq [3k\]: w o w
lofuchi [3k\]: they are not bad :)
MrFake [?\]: this move is sooo nice]
WL[40]OW[10];B[ld]BL[501.63];W[kd]WL[40]OW[10]
;B[kc]BL[466.587];W[jc]
C[HiwaKaoru [14k\]: o_o
FennecFox [3k\]: o_O
brainiaq [3k\]: magical disappearing territory
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: w is magic.
badukgame [2d\]: black lost]
WL[40]OW[10];B[lb]BL[432.405];W[id]
C[karnold2 [1d\]: all b's base are belong to w
matjet [2k\]: well black just lost about 20 points
badukgame [2d\]: all base belongs to us :)
brainiaq [3k\]: w > 9000p]
WL[40]OW[10];B[jb]BL[398.562];W[ib]
C[Korlon [2k\]: More than 20 I'd say
karnold2 [1d\]: way more than 20]
WL[40]OW[10];B[ck]
C[karnold2 [1d\]: lol, b still playing ko]
BL[1263.843];W[bi]
C[MrFake [?\]: hehe
Q161 [17k\]: ah, nice
MrFake [?\]: s12 will be last chance for b
brainiaq [3k\]: cool sente connection
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: w are doomed.
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: *b
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: woops~]
WL[40]OW[10];B[dh]BL[1229.124];W[ri]
C[HiwaKaoru [14k\]: d11?
MrFake [?\]: too late
FennecFox [3k\]: w's next reduction?
MrFake [?\]: w won
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: nvm
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: s10. . .?]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[cl]BL[1194.266];W[gm]
C[lofuchi [3k\]: w is good
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: I think. . .the computer may have a problem \
with sente/gote?]
WL[40]OW[10];B[qk]
C[as12: h 11
FennecFox [3k\]: M11 too deep?]
BL[1159.922];W[pn]
C[matjet [2k\]: score estimate still puts black about 70 points \
ahead
MrFake [?\]: nice
lofuchi [3k\]: how do we know they are not played by real humans? \
:P
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: SE = bad]
WL[40]OW[10];B[pm]BL[1125.377];W[on]
C[ampwyo [9k\]: its not bad it does what it says...estimates
lofuchi [3k\]: w is so great :)]
WL[40]OW[10];B[nn]BL[1090.595];W[om]
C[HiwaKaoru [14k\]: I don't think it's b by 70 though. . . pretty \
far off.
Korlon [2k\]: Snacking his way through there...
matjet [2k\]: black is going to cut now
MrFake [?\]: how?
Korlon [2k\]: No cut]
WL[40]OW[10];B[qn]
C[MrFake [?\]: hehe]
BL[1055.653];W[qo]
C[matjet [2k\]: i didn't say he would suceed
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: cut
brainiaq [3k\]: not a cut
lofuchi [3k\]: it seems w is way smarter
Lawliet311 [1k\]: black resigns?]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[oo]BL[1020.831];W[po]
C[HiwaKaoru [14k\]: w+res.
Lawliet311 [1k\]: i would estimate black to be around 1kyu
MrFake [?\]: b is making humain mistakes
cubone [3k\]: poor mogo
MrFake [?\]: funny
lofuchi [3k\]: how about w?
Lawliet311 [1k\]: mogo around 1K
cubone [3k\]: he tries so hard every game
Lawliet311 [1k\]: donno
Korlon [2k\]: Should've gave those stones up
Lawliet311 [1k\]: but from what i seen
Lawliet311 [1k\]: high dan]
WL[40]OW[10];B[ro]
C[Lawliet311 [1k\]: but maybe nutgo isnt even trying]
BL[986.128];W[rn]
C[Lawliet311 [1k\]: maybe its a teaching game
Lawliet311 [1k\]: = = 
Korlon [2k\]: Oh, it tried a cut
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: Mogo is in his death throes. . .
lofuchi [3k\]: i guess mogo doesn't have 1k....
Lawliet311 [1k\]: O8
as12: white must be 2p or more (7h)
Korlon [2k\]: It should play the "ladder"
Lawliet311 [1k\]: reduce damage]
WL[40]OW[10];B[ol]BL[951.183];W[nm]
C[brainiaq [3k\]: every stone played in a broken ladder is 7 point \
loss
lofuchi [3k\]: oh there is such a maxim?
MrFake [?\]: b can finish sente now
brainiaq [3k\]: supposedl
brainiaq [3k\]: y]
WL[40]OW[10];B[so]
C[matjet [2k\]: i rekin i could beat mogo in an even game. it does \
well as long as it is ahead, but once it starts losing mogo seems \
to give up and make desperate moves.]
BL[916.906];W[sn]
C[matjet [2k\]: in an even game it would com close enough to losing \
to mess up
karnold2 [1d\]: to beat mogo all you have to do is start a ko
Korlon [2k\]: Just like a real huma
Korlon [2k\]: n
Lawliet311 [1k\]: this is my fun account
Lawliet311 [1k\]: i was at 3D
Helsbecter [7k\]: poor mogobot
Lawliet311 [1k\]: XD HA HA]
WL[40]OW[10];B[mm]
C[Lawliet311 [1k\]: who cares man its internet go 
Lawliet311 [1k\]: i have like 5 accounts
Lawliet311 [1k\]: LOL
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: . . .
Lawliet311 [1k\]: lowest one is this one]
BL[882.03];W[nl]
C[Lawliet311 [1k\]: this account was at 3D
Lawliet311 [1k\]: then my friend played it 
Lawliet311 [1k\]: and ruined it
Lawliet311 [1k\]: w.e
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: This has what to do with the game?
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: >.>
Lawliet311 [1k\]: iunno
Lawliet311 [1k\]: cause im saying
Lawliet311 [1k\]: u cant judge a person from one game =  =]
WL[40]OW[10]
;B[rm]
C[Lawliet311 [1k\]: maybe mogo plays well other times]
BL[847.467];W[sp]
C[HiwaKaoru [14k\]: Mogo does this A LOT
Korlon [2k\]: We've seen mogo play many times
FennecFox [3k\]: i think this is mogo on special hardware
Helsbecter [7k\]: mogo plays a lot of stuff like t5
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: He loses the lead, and he's doomed.
FennecFox [3k\]: at least, the last game was
Helsbecter [7k\]: it is his way
matjet [2k\]: mogo does play well. when there are no ladder, ko's \
and it is already winning
chipper [-\]: this is mogo on 640 cluster
Lawliet311 [1k\]: really?]
WL[40]OW[10];B[nk]
C[InExtremis [2d\]: that's when I do well, too]
BL[813.091];W[ml]
C[Lawliet311 [1k\]: i odnt know mogo's playing style
Lawliet311 [1k\]: so :s
flippant [5k?\]: mogo seems designed to play 7 stone handicap \
games
chipper [-\]: has problem with ladder...
CHOWstyle [3k\]: when its bad  mogo makes it worse..
Lawliet311 [1k\]: anyways nutgo is taiwanese pro for sure?
flippant [5k?\]: when mogo is down a bit it just goes crazy
chipper [-\]: white j13 means game over
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: Mogo style = losing
chipper [-\]: nutngo is 9p yes
chipper [-\]: his name is in nutngo profile]
WL[40]OW[10];B[cs]
C[HiwaKaoru [14k\]: Why b stops so suddenly? : (
matjet [2k\]: does the profile change everytime the player changes?
chipper [-\]: It's usually kept up to date]
BL[778.384];W[hs]
C[barakameek [13k\]: i know the K after then name and the D but \
whats a P stand for?
flippant [5k?\]: pro
chipper [-\]: Professional player
Korlon [2k\]: Professional Dan
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: pro dan.]
WL[40]OW[9];B[gs]BL[743.546];W[fs]
C[barakameek [13k\]: like from  a japanese school or some thing?
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: Mogo< kyu < amateur dan < professional dan
Lawliet311 [1k\]: black can win if white passes 2 times
CHOWstyle [3k\]: mogo likes to fix opponents shape
Korlon [2k\]: You have to pass an exam to get a professional rank
brainiaq [3k\]: kyu < Mogo = amateur dan < pro
nutngo4: Why b stops so suddenly --->  cos  network  break
chipper [-\]: This mogo can probably beat kgs 2k-1d even
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: Mogo is gracious.]
WL[40]OW[9];B[ll]BL[708.818];W[ok]
C[chipper [-\]: in 19x19
chipper [-\]: on a 9x9, it can probably beat up to 6d
Lawliet311 [1k\]: my real rank is around 3 D in real life
Lawliet311 [1k\]: and i have a pro go teacher
chipper [-\]: Lawliet, please focus on the game..
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: Hurrah?
Ruca [5k\]: oh, and you're co cool lawliet
Lawliet311 [1k\]: im saying mogo is not amateur dan]
WL[40]OW[9]
;B[pl]
C[HiwaKaoru [14k\]: lol.]
BL[674.928];W[mk]
C[Ruca [5k\]: mogo is a computer program
Lawliet311 [1k\]: i always have a point in saying stuff =    =
Lawliet311 [1k\]: =)
chipper [-\]: Please play C, not a-b-c
chipper [-\]: :)
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: huh chipper?
Korlon [2k\]: Doesn't work here
Ruca [5k\]: excatly ;)]
WL[40]OW[9];B[nj]
C[Lawliet311 [1k\]: XD]
BL[640.509];W[lk]
C[Korlon [2k\]: Have to play A
chipper [-\]: Go principle hiwakaoru
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: oh, timing right?
chipper [-\]: I thought it was funny to use :)
themathguy [17k\]: so do the script monkeys who program mogo go \
retool after games like this?
Korlon [2k\]: White snake went all the way through the middle]
WL[40]OW[9];B[kk]
C[LSF23 [5k?\]: b have nothing in the center
Lawliet311 [1k\]: but i mean to say is then]
BL[603.279];W[lj]
C[chipper [-\]: white j13 is next
Lawliet311 [1k\]: mogo is not designed as an amateur dan
Lawliet311 [1k\]: amateur dan wont make moves like t5
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: -.-
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: Wait.
FennecFox [3k\]: with every w move, SE thinks b loses 4 points
Korlon [2k\]: It just has very inconsistant play]
WL[40]OW[9];B[ig]
C[Korlon [2k\]: Ooo
Lawliet311 [1k\]: but then its a program
Helsbecter [7k\]: my understanding is that they havent found a \
cure for moves like t5
inte [?\]: funny.]
BL[568.646];W[oi]
C[Helsbecter [7k\]: that isnt worse than t5
Lawliet311 [1k\]: its alreayd pretty good ha ha 
Lawliet311 [1k\]: XD 
Ruca [5k\]: Lawliet, who'd play such moves then? p?
matjet [2k\]: white has 6 black hole shapees by my count
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: black hole shapes?
Shiver [8k\]: is mogo running on a super computer?]
WL[40]OW[9];B[oh]
C[themathguy [17k\]: a cluster, apparently
Korlon [2k\]: Aye Shuver
Korlon [2k\]: Shiver*]
BL[533.852];W[ki]
C[Lawliet311 [1k\]: at least mogo is better than those MGU bots \
or w.e 
cubone [3k\]: what about nutngo
matjet [2k\]: black holes are b2 bombers without the pointy bit
Lawliet311 [1k\]: in the computer room
Q161 [17k\]: whats nutngo's name?
SunnyD [2d\]: this is a tarp]
WL[40]OW[9]
;B[li]
C[Lawliet311 [1k\]: man i said O8 
piDollars [9k\]: its a trap!?
Korlon [2k\]: o_O
Lawliet311 [1k\]: to lessen the damage]
BL[498.853];W[mi]
C[as12: Jun-Xun Zhou(9P) as white
matjet [2k\]: i sense a 7th black hole forming
Ruca [5k\]: Jun-Xun Zhou
Lawliet311 [1k\]: and he stil ldoes ladder = = 
Lawliet311 [1k\]: wow
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: Zhou JunXun
Lawliet311 [1k\]: this is what happens when u do ladder :P 
Lawliet311 [1k\]: XD !!!
Lawliet311 [1k\]: jk jk
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: Lawl, mogo doesn't do well with ko and ladders. \
. .
nutngo4: whats nutngo's name?  --->  see nutngo rpofile]
WL[40]OW[9];B[ni]BL[463.99];W[lh]
C[nutngo4: profile
Lawliet311 [1k\]: in a few years 
Lawliet311 [1k\]: they are gonna make a program
Lawliet311 [1k\]: that can beat even the highest of the 9p
Lawliet311 [1k\]: XD!
Lawliet311 [1k\]: they did it for chess i think]
WL[40]OW[9];B[rd]
C[Lawliet311 [1k\]: go is hard
Korlon [2k\]: Mmm, big
Lawliet311 [1k\]: cause the game is too too complex]
BL[1029.256];W[nh]
C[lofuchi [3k\]: if that is true we should extend our board to 21X21
matjet [2k\]: soo why coun't black play m12?
lofuchi [3k\]: then we can have a lead for some time again :)
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: When did black get +15 minutes?
Shiver [8k\]: go and chess are not the same when it comes to computer \
AI]
WL[40]OW[9];B[oj]BL[994.715];W[og]
C[themathguy [17k\]: chess is much easier to program AI for
Lawliet311 [1k\]: yes i know 
Lawliet311 [1k\]: thats wh y i siad in a few years
Lawliet311 [1k\]: maybe even decades then
Lawliet311 [1k\]: but eventually 
Lawliet311 [1k\]: its possible
matjet [2k\]: good spotting hiwa
lofuchi [3k\]: centuries
Lawliet311 [1k\]: XD !
SunnyD [2d\]: I like cheese
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: flooding. . .
lofuchi [3k\]: :P
Shiver [8k\]: go requires a program to emulate human learning \
where chess can use simple exaustion of possibilities]
WL[40]OW[9];B[pi]
C[HiwaKaoru [14k\]: sarcasm matjet? :p
Lawliet311 [1k\]: lol nicely put :P]
BL[959.85];W[kl]
C[themathguy [17k\]: I doubt the best go program would be the equivalent \
of say deep blue
Lawliet311 [1k\]: damn O8
bobo [15k\]: that actually incorrect
matjet [2k\]: no
cubone [3k\]: go requires pattern recognition
Lawliet311 [1k\]: if black went O8
matjet [2k\]: i didn't notice until you pointed it out
bobbyconn [16k\]: no not human learning thats too irobot and dune \
for my tastes
Lawliet311 [1k\]: this wouldnt happen T__________T
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: Go requires true intelligence
bobbyconn [16k\]: the machines will take over!!!!!!!
cubone [3k\]: not really learning]
WL[40]OW[9]
;B[ji]
C[Lawliet311 [1k\]: it will be like the matrix man]
BL[925.303];W[jh]
C[HiwaKaoru [14k\]: At least, someone said that is the reason for \
trying to program an ai. . .
bobbyconn [16k\]: hahahaha
Lawliet311 [1k\]: AI taking over
themathguy [17k\]: both require intelligence
themathguy [17k\]: just different sorts
lofuchi [3k\]: we would install chips to our brains before that \
happens, i guess
Lawliet311 [1k\]: anyone here plays PS3 btw?
cubone [3k\]: we can rest assured that mogo wont be plotting any \
world dominations any time soon
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: high thinking. . .
bobbyconn [16k\]: it feels good when you beat a computer]
WL[40]OW[9];B[ih]
C[cubone [3k\]: at least not successful ones]
BL[890.592];W[re]
C[inochi33 [5k\]: yeah and machines will still be trying to figure \
out how to be better at go
InExtremis [2d\]: seems almost even now
bobbyconn [16k\]: its like yeah thats right you are a machine
Lawliet311 [1k\]: just wondering
Lawliet311 [1k\]: is anyone here a resident evil fan lol
lofuchi [3k\]: we become machines first before they take over \
us :)
Lawliet311 [1k\]: XD]
WL[40]OW[9];B[mr]
C[bobbyconn [16k\]: i am a RE dan]
BL[855.634];W[rc]
C[Lawliet311 [1k\]: lol
Lawliet311 [1k\]: RE 5 is coming out :P
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: So, black is officially losing yet but Nefwoundland \
Rules? :p
Lawliet311 [1k\]: so excited!
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: Lawl, pm?
Lawliet311 [1k\]: pm?
bobbyconn [16k\]: yea will be good
matjet [2k\]: mogo is very good at endgame somtimes this could \
be close
Lawliet311 [1k\]: pm?
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: Not the right window. . .
bobbyconn [16k\]: who doesn't like killing zombies
matjet [2k\]: sometimes]
WL[40]OW[9];B[ns]
C[Q161 [17k\]: personal message
bobbyconn [16k\]: ok
bobbyconn [16k\]: ..
Q161 [17k\]: ie stop flooding
urzadek [8k?\]: left 4 dead > re
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: Exactly. . . : )]
BL[820.928];W[os]
C[Genotive [3k\]: whats re?
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: ResidentEvil.
InExtremis [2d\]: mmm censor
Lawliet311 [1k\]: graphics for RE and gameplay >>>>left 4 dead
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: lol @ Extremise
chipper [-\]: Focus on game please
urzadek [8k?\]: :-p
Lawliet311 [1k\]: ya 
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: *Extremis
Lawliet311 [1k\]: sry]
WL[40]OW[9];B[rb]
C[Lawliet311 [1k\]: :P]
BL[786.059];W[sd]
C[HiwaKaoru [14k\]: mini-banhammer!
chipper [-\]: I want to seee white exploit k9 + g11
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: lol]
WL[40]OW[9]
;B[mp]BL[751.434];W[mq]
C[HiwaKaoru [14k\]: I think
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: black plays the "best" moves
nocturne19 [5k\]: ???
nameok [13k\]: o.o
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: but sometimes they are too many cut points left, \
or too low
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: os some such problem. . .
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: *or
bobstep [8k\]: white wants another ko]
WL[40]OW[9];B[lq]BL[716.66];W[ms]
C[lofuchi [3k\]: ?
chipper [-\]: It actually plays to win by the lowest possible \
HiwaKaoru
secondslee [3k\]: watch for n5
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: Really???
chipper [-\]: It doesnt care about how wide the win is
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: Isn't that a problem chipper?
matjet [2k\]: im not sure how k9 would work. black seems to have \
too many ways of just connectin
chipper [-\]: Just that in the end, it wins 
SunnyD [2d\]: n5 is nothing
matjet [2k\]: connecting]
WL[40]OW[9];B[lr]BL[681.985];W[qr]WL[40]OW[9];B[lm]
C[InExtremis [2d\]: start with h10?]
BL[647.1];W[jk]
C[HiwaKaoru [14k\]: matjet, but will b connect, lol
InExtremis [2d\]: nm hehe
chipper [-\]: you are probably right, all i read up to is k9 l10 \
j10 j11 g11 
matjet [2k\]: ohh chipper wins
chipper [-\]: but black can just play j9
chipper [-\]: and forget the whole sequence
chipper [-\]: sacrifice 1 is easy
nocturne19 [5k\]: still be not enought for white
Genotive [3k\]: j9]
WL[40]OW[9];B[ik]BL[1212.176];W[kj]
C[HiwaKaoru [14k\]: chipper is wise.
lofuchi [3k\]: b reads that out
chipper [-\]: h15 is last
InExtremis [2d\]: I think w is ahead by a handful]
WL[40]OW[9]
;B[ke]
C[HiwaKaoru [14k\]: w+14.5?]
BL[1177.596];W[ja]
C[chipper [-\]: Not too sure I understand k19.. anyone want to explain?
lofuchi [3k\]: it is a nice game to learn how to play 7 stone \
handi :)
Q161 [17k\]: more ko probably
FennecFox [3k\]: ko trolling?
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: he wants to ko him to death, lol]
WL[40]OW[9];B[kb]
C[HiwaKaoru [14k\]: aww. . .]
BL[1142.738];W[sb]
C[Q161 [17k\]: trying to initiate mogo self-destruct sequence
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: t19~~~ : )
chipper [-\]: h14 for white?
FennecFox [3k\]: +1 h14]
WL[40]OW[9];B[jd]
C[chipper [-\]: whoa]
BL[1107.875];W[qb]
C[HiwaKaoru [14k\]: p15~~~ >:)
chipper [-\]: r18 definitely bigger..
matjet [2k\]: i think that exchange was better for white
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: b has gone batty. . .
inochi33 [5k\]: so as a computer player it knows the estimated \
score of the game and has a entire detabase of moves to chose \
from right?]
WL[40]OW[9];B[pb]BL[1073.048];W[ra]
C[Shiver [8k\]: it probably generates the moves
matjet [2k\]: i think h14 is getting very big]
WL[40]OW[9];B[ic]
C[bobo [15k\]: it generates tnem randomly]
BL[1038.306];W[hf]
C[lofuchi [3k\]: :)
FennecFox [3k\]: more like, it filters the list of possible moves \
for w, then for b, then for w, etc
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: ~~~!
Q161 [17k\]: +1 for matjet
FennecFox [3k\]: as deep as it can in the given time
bobo [15k\]: it plays 230 someodd games at the same time and chooses \
the move that loses the least
Shiver [8k\]: mogo probably has a score estimator, then generates \
several thousand sequences and chooses the one it thinks is best]
WL[40]OW[9]
;B[kg]BL[1002.203];W[gf]
C[bobo [15k\]: no its random
bobo [15k\]: monte carlo logic
FennecFox [3k\]: bobo, only random during ko
lofuchi [3k\]: to test it
lofuchi [3k\]: just replay the same game to see if it has same \
responses
Shiver [8k\]: doesn't it just pick a starting point at random?
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: So why no t19, etc ever, eh?]
WL[40]OW[9];B[fe]BL[967.199];W[gi]
C[bobo [15k\]: i thought so
FennecFox [3k\]: shiver, no, there are too many moves
bobo [15k\]: it was random
bobo [15k\]: there is a site on it
FennecFox [3k\]: here comes the ko
Shiver [8k\]: yes but the subtrees are probably not random]
WL[40]OW[9];B[hj]BL[932.671];W[ei]
C[bobo [15k\]: well yeah
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: there is a more random choice he picks though. \
. .
lofuchi [3k\]: ohoh
klouk [13k\]: because in whichever variation that it picked t19, \
it found it was worth no points
bobo [15k\]: proaably has a lcal engine to
CHOWstyle [3k\]: haha white is great
bobo [15k\]: local *]
WL[40]OW[9];B[di]BL[898.017];W[gh]
C[chipper [-\]: nice ko
InExtremis [2d\]: yeah...
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: b center group killable?
chipper [-\]: amazing sequence here
lofuchi [3k\]: this ends the game
Ruca [5k\]: nope
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: hm, nvm
Ruca [5k\]: b can still play g13
Q161 [17k\]: if he kills it i will crap myself]
WL[40]OW[9];B[fh]
C[chipper [-\]: ruca, ko]
BL[863.083];W[gg]
C[chipper [-\]: q161, please watch the language :)
Q161 [17k\]: sry
Ruca [5k\]: ait
chipper [-\]: also with this reduction, white wins
bobo [15k\]: yeah man i got booted for much less before
lofuchi [3k\]: w is super strong
Korlon [2k\]: There goes all the points there...]
WL[40]OW[9]
;B[he]
C[HiwaKaoru [14k\]: p15?]
BL[828.43];W[ie]
C[marius1 [1d\]: w ahead for a long time
matjet [2k\]: and then black wins by 0.5
badukgame [2d\]: bot will lose on any  handy
badukgame [2d\]: it's just a bot
badukgame [2d\]: humans are strong :)
lofuchi [3k\]: are you sure?
badukgame [2d\]: sure
badukgame [2d\]: go is not chess
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: b to cut?
lofuchi [3k\]: it knows when to resign
vhu [7k\]: why?
Bond0 [14k\]: haha
InExtremis [2d\]: congrats nutngo!
InExtremis [2d\]: great sequence at the end
bobo [15k\]: groupk dead
badukgame [2d\]: YAY YAY
bobbyconn [16k\]: hooray another victory for the human race
badukgame [2d\]: yeap
Bond0 [14k\]: comp got beat
HiwaKaoru [14k\]: congrats to the pro! : )
lofuchi [3k\]: perhaps w is also a bot :)
bobbyconn [16k\]: in the war against machines
badukgame [2d\]: best bot Bender(Futuarama)
Bond0 [14k\]: lol
bobo [15k\]: hal 2010
bobo [15k\]: im afraid icant allow you to move there nutgo]
WL[40]OW[9])
