(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Chinese]SZ[9]KM[8.50]TM[1800]
PW[mogovspro1]PB[provsmogo1]DT[2011-03-09]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[mogovspro1 [-\]: GTP Engine for mogovspro1 (white): MoGo version MoGo version 4.86.Soissons: I'll resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare cases)
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[eg]BL[1749.638]
;W[ec]WL[1799.746]C[Turko [6k\]: mogo is white?
seikenguy [1d\]: B + 2.5
BlackLight [10k\]: mogo strong?
]
;B[gd]BL[1639.202]
;W[de]WL[1799.467]C[Zahlman [1d\]: mogo v stong
Zahlman [1d\]: and is w yes
]
;B[ff]BL[1604.432]C[Zahlman [1d\]: on 9x9 top computers are pro level
b8matt [3k\]: would anyone know who b is?
qwazidan [4k?\]: seems like another computer
purp [6k\]: the question will one day be. . . can we keep up with computers
]
;W[cf]WL[1660.526]C[b8matt [3k\]: will b c7?
Mortis [3d\]: so if w is mogo, b is pro? :-p
Chrom [4k\]: do we need? cars are faster then human beeing, so what?
Zahlman [1d\]: yes, mortis
Zahlman [1d\]: matt I don't think it is possible...
purp [6k\]: i'm not trying to outrun a car.  .  .  
Chrom [4k\]: so why trying to outrun computers?
Headbiter [1d\]: wms is gonna have to start working on a system to analyze active games to weed out computer cheaters
Zahlman [1d\]: lol
Mortis [3d\]: what's a computer cheater
purp [6k\]: conceptual is wide open
Headbiter [1d\]: you can learn about that from any internet chess server
qwazidan [4k?\]: you probably shouldn't play poker for money online
purp [6k\]: meat or chips
Harmonika [1d\]: did you know that bots are escapers ?
bein [2k?\]: thats racist
Harmonika [1d\]: oh sorry, ban me
Zahlman [1d\]: hmm
Zahlman [1d\]: g8?
]
;B[cd]BL[1431.089]C[Zahlman [1d\]: !
b8matt [3k\]: so close
Zahlman [1d\]: attacking the shape hmm?
purp [6k\]: one day bots will have more rights than some humyns do now
Zahlman [1d\]: this seems impossible, but...
Chrom [4k\]: my bank computer is ruling anyway :)
purp [6k\]: now it would be impossible of course
Headbiter [1d\]: bots already have more rights than some humans do
Harmonika [1d\]: to give aji
purp [6k\]: bots dont get raped
Headbiter [1d\]: to cut and kill
b8matt [3k\]: lol I got 5 games open across my two screens
sweety [-\]: purp, pls be careful
Harmonika [1d\]: in the 2 games i saw, the pro guy sacrifices stones
purp [6k\]: what is a bots psyche?
qz [5d\]: how many permutations in a 9x9?
Harmonika [1d\]: heu
Mortis [3d\]: bots dont need to take responsibility, yet
Zahlman [1d\]: permutations of what?
b8matt [3k\]: what of permutations?
]
;W[dd]WL[1523.13]C[purp [6k\]: and then do you hold the programmers responsible?
Harmonika [1d\]: 9!
]
;B[cc]BL[1426.356]C[purp [6k\]: this is real law being carved out as we speak
charkysan [6k\]: permutations (assuming no captures) would be 81x80x79x...
holynec [?\]: i dont believe that charky
qz [5d\]: true, 81! is a very big number
charkysan [6k\]: but then you subtract symmetrical positions
holynec [?\]: yes.
purp [6k\]: sick but if a small clump of cells has rights then why not a fully fumctioning robot
charkysan [6k\]: and of course some parts of the tree are so stupid they can be ignored
Harmonika [1d\]: how mucn is 81!
holynec [?\]: put it into your calculator!
Harmonika [1d\]: dont have one
qz [5d\]: google says 10^120
holynec [?\]: google
purp [6k\]: robot's gonna invade now
bein [2k?\]: thats more than a google
]
;W[be]WL[1397.699]
;B[bg]BL[1421.2]C[b8matt [3k\]: that's like a gaggle
Jinni [2k\]: are they gonna play 19x19
Zahlman [1d\]: no
Headbiter [1d\]: who u got winning? seems hard for w to handle all the aji
charkysan [6k\]: since the permutations are so large, solving (finding the perfect game) on a board larger than this is impossible without quantum computing at the least
holynec [?\]: 100 dollars on black
Q161 [?\]: its too bad all the games are at once
b8matt [3k\]: real dollars?
holynec [?\]: yes
b8matt [3k\]: or internet dollars?
holynec [?\]: paypal dollars?
charkysan [6k\]: b seems to attack shape points
b8matt [3k\]: I only got like $23 in paypal
holynec [?\]: link to your bank account
betty [1d\]: under which komi are you betting?
b8matt [3k\]: but I don't bet though
b8matt [3k\]: so HAH
qz [5d\]: for most of the game, the last line is out of the question, so the number is reduced greatly, right?
holynec [?\]: top left is L shape = dead.
qz [5d\]: maybe 7!?
]
;W[cg]WL[1282.527]
;B[eb]BL[1416.721]C[Jinni [2k\]: who is b
b8matt [3k\]: b is a ninja
charkysan [6k\]: b is supposed to be a pro, but may be a turing test
Headbiter [1d\]: these pros seem too strong for mogo, only watchiung 2 games tho
Mortis [3d\]: aw it seems the picture has been deleted from the SL article "getstrongatkibitz"
Tangerine [3k\]: b is our last hope against the robot invaders
Harmonika [1d\]: turingtest is 3k
qz [5d\]: oops i mean 49!
qz [5d\]: which is half of 81!
bein [2k?\]: !
MrShintou [2k\]: cool moves by black
MrShintou [2k\]: it looks like he has something
qz [5d\]: don't mind me, i'll stop trolling
Harmonika [1d\]: 81! is 5,7957 * 10 ^120
]
;W[gc]WL[1177.275]C[qz [5d\]: wow, that was a fast move by w
]
;B[fb]BL[1382.458]C[Mortis [3d\]: well looks bad for w?
charkysan [6k\]: w gonna return the favor by invading at g3 soon
b8matt [3k\]: seems w getting handled in all the games I'm watching
charkysan [6k\]: brute force search of millions of variations is hard to play against
Headbiter [1d\]: it really wont beome clear until the yose end part
]
;W[ge]WL[1080.544]C[jamal [1d\]: g4
]
;B[fe]BL[1348.98]C[charkysan [6k\]: now b can feel the pinch for a change
b8matt [3k\]: actually now w ahead in two games
charkysan [6k\]: if you are rooting for the humans, you are a pro-ponent
Headbiter [1d\]: if you are rooting for the bots u are a fascist
b8matt [3k\]: if you are rooting for computer, you're a com-ponent?
b8matt [3k\]: ba-dum cha
]
;W[hd]WL[991.898]
;B[fd]BL[1344.8]C[qz [5d\]: if you're rooting for the bots, you're losing badly
charkysan [6k\]: if it's a calm-puter
smartrobot [9d\]: robot b or w?
Q161 [?\]: w
Headbiter [1d\]: robos w 
charkysan [6k\]: mogo is bot
charkysan [6k\]: pro is pro
smartrobot [9d\]: i see, thanks
]
;W[fc]WL[910.327]C[holynec [?\]: wow smartrobot!!
]
;B[he]BL[1341.955]C[Q161 [?\]: smartrobot is robot and also pro
Headbiter [1d\]: it should be u vs all those pros
Q161 [?\]: he can beat them all
jamesyeh [-\]: are they actually that strong?
Headbiter [1d\]: yes
]
;W[dc]WL[833.655]
;B[db]BL[1337.714]C[jamesyeh [-\]: like how strong?
Headbiter [1d\]: c8?
Headbiter [1d\]: dunno. im too weak
holynec [?\]: yeah you are, get outta here
betty [1d\]: smartrobot?
Zahlman [1d\]: d2
]
;W[hc]WL[765.501]C[Zahlman [1d\]: but it seems like a lost cause for w
BlackLight [10k\]: looks over for w
charkysan [6k\]: one problem with pro playing bot is that the bot can't be intimidated
holynec [?\]: just put in an intimidation variable
qwazidan [4k?\]: were this bot to have feelings .. it would be feeling intimidated
charkysan [6k\]: w is thick and b is split, but what can w use his thickness for?
ArcticDawn [5k\]: how strong are these bots? Pro level?
jamesyeh [-\]: what is the strongest bot for go now
Headbiter [1d\]: this is 9x9
smartrobot [9d\]: do ten robots use the same programme?
Q161 [?\]: i think so
Headbiter [1d\]: is it a different machine for each?
BlackLight [10k\]: bot doesnt know how to resign ^^
Q161 [?\]: different machine but same specs
]
;B[ad]BL[1207.097]C[jamesyeh [-\]: 9p bot?
Headbiter [1d\]: any word on the specs?
BarbieCute [2k\]: bots resigned a buch of games already 
Zahlman [1d\]: maybe check the webpage? :/
smartrobot [9d\]: ten pros in pro side?
BarbieCute [2k\]: 8 bunch 
Mortis [3d\]: ^^'
BlackLight [10k\]: its a joke
Mortis [3d\]: pro cluster
Headbiter [1d\]: is the pro simuling?
Q161 [?\]: yes 10 pros
Q161 [?\]: http://www.computer-go.info/h-c/
Q161 [?\]: check there smartrobot
Headbiter [1d\]: thancs
]
;W[dh]WL[703.229]
;B[eh]BL[1193.904]C[smartrobot [9d\]: it is a simul game
smartrobot [9d\]: thanks
kenzomat [8k\]: wow humans are still the strongest in go
kenzomat [8k\]: no offense smart ^^
Q161 [?\]: lol
]
;W[hf]WL[645.939]
;B[gf]BL[1190.889]C[qz [5d\]: not simul, 10 different pros
hiss [-\]: h3 
]
;W[hg]WL[593.508]C[Q161 [?\]: yeah its not a simul
seikenguy [1d\]: Computer going for da win.
smartrobot [9d\]: i mean it is the same robot
Zahlman [1d\]: seems desperate now
qz [5d\]: oh, i see, that is true
Q161 [?\]: same program but separate processing
]
;B[if]BL[1135.398]C[Q161 [?\]: so it doesnt have to calculate more than 1 game
qz [5d\]: now if it's the same program on different machines is it still simul?
Q161 [?\]: i dont think so
Q161 [?\]: the point of simul is splitting attention
]
;W[gh]WL[545.314]C[Q161 [?\]: for a computer thats processing all the games at once
Turko [6k\]: bot ownz
]
;B[fh]BL[1100.813]C[Xylol [-\]: same program on diffrent machines is unequal to the meaning of simul
]
;W[ih]WL[501.167]C[hiss [-\]: if b kill w inside b wins?
BlackLight [10k\]: :p
]
;B[hi]BL[1079.151]
;W[id]WL[460.978]
;B[ie]BL[1075.226]C[Headbiter [1d\]:  w gets 8.5 komi
Xylol [-\]: why 8.5?
]
;W[gi]WL[423.734]
;B[ef]BL[1071.253]C[BlackLight [10k\]: whats mogo or smartrobot?
BlackLight [10k\]: stronger*
Headbiter [1d\]: well it is chinese rules
qwazidan [4k?\]: wouldn't it be 7,5 ?
Headbiter [1d\]: yea but i guess its a 1 point handicap
]
;W[gg]WL[389.722]C[Xylol [-\]: 1pt is alot on this boars
Xylol [-\]: board*
]
;B[ge]BL[1052.872]C[kenzomat [8k\]: b wins by time
charkysan [6k\]: w hoping to create a libs race? but b has 6 outside libs
kenzomat [8k\]: oh
]
;W[df]WL[358.873]C[Zahlman [1d\]: semedori
]
;B[ig]BL[1036.078]C[kenzomat [8k\]: painful
qz [5d\]: robot playing semedori impressive to me
hiss [-\]: semidori is big, but is it enough to win?
]
;W[bd]WL[330.493]C[kenzomat [8k\]: smart robot is the king of bots on kgs
]
;B[bc]BL[1033.897]C[charkysan [6k\]: robot doesn't know its' semidori, only that it counts libs
Zahlman [1d\]: g8
]
;W[gb]WL[304.396]C[charkysan [6k\]: good call
]
;B[ae]BL[1001.472]C[Zahlman [1d\]: not a difficult call? :/
smartrobot [9d\]: if komi is 8.5
]
;W[ac]WL[280.193]C[smartrobot [9d\]: ...
]
;B[ab]BL[994.105]
;W[af]WL[258.015]
;B[ac]BL[991.937]C[smartrobot [9d\]: i find robots are not good at yose
charkysan [6k\]: e1
]
;W[cb]WL[237.93]
;B[bf]BL[980.173]C[BlackLight [10k\]: i wonder if mogo has ears and caters to its masters requests ^^
Zahlman [1d\]: e1 no use
Zahlman [1d\]: since b has to cover f1 later anyway
qz [5d\]: did w just lose?
]
;W[bh]WL[219.34]
;B[ce]BL[976.657]C[Turko [6k\]: yeah
Headbiter [1d\]: w just gave up alot
Zahlman [1d\]: what did w just do O______O
smartrobot [9d\]: if w played correctly
charkysan [6k\]: c8 should have been at b4
]
;W[ba]WL[202.476]C[smartrobot [9d\]: w would win
Headbiter [1d\]: wow
]
;B[aa]BL[965.192]C[betty [1d\]: painful to watch...
qwazidan [4k?\]: *smoke pours from computer innards*
Headbiter [1d\]: w does have b5 later right?
]
;W[be]WL[186.805]C[Headbiter [1d\]: oh wait no
]
;B[ag]BL[962.494]C[Zahlman [1d\]: lol
kenzomat [8k\]: i would love to visit taiwan :)
]
;W[fa]WL[172.69]
;B[bb]BL[960.32]C[Headbiter [1d\]: that was pretty sad
]
;W[da]WL[159.567]C[charkysan [6k\]: w trying to trick bot who doesn't care about tricks
]
;B[ca]BL[957.477]C[qz [5d\]: it was creative...
Turko [6k\]: lets see can bot resign
Zahlman [1d\]: ?
Headbiter [1d\]: w is the bot charkysan
charkysan [6k\]: oh right
Headbiter [1d\]: u havent watched many pro games huh
smartrobot [9d\]: 8.5 komi is a little more
Mortis [3d\]: heh bot #2 won by 1.5 ;)
Headbiter [1d\]: ouch. gotta be painful to be the one guy who loses
Mortis [3d\]: i found fuego to be pretty tough bot too, for low dans at least
Mortis [3d\]: plays unranked 9x9 on kgs, i recommend :)
Mortis [3d\]: gotta be careful not to screw up
smartrobot [9d\]: i think tengen is the best beginning move in 9*9
Mortis [3d\]: and best reply is like G5 ?
smartrobot [9d\]: i dont know
Mortis [3d\]: :-o
Mortis [3d\]: smartrobot, how about play 9x9 for fun? =D
smartrobot [9d\]: but in small board, tengen is quite important obviously
Mortis [3d\]: hm makes sense..
Mortis [3d\]: zen19 bot already 4d  -_-
betty [1d\]: how many rounds are there?
betty [1d\]: the info said
betty [1d\]: sweety: 10 games between MoGo bots vs. Taiwanese Professionals, Second Round is starting! You can find them in the Computer Go Room or at the Top of the Active Games tab! ( http://go.nutn.edu.tw/2011/schedule.htm )
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